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| 00:11 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 18639: (follow-up) Remove debugging code <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f50864ab441e05f23> |
| 00:11 | News from kohagit: Bug 21403: DBRev 18.06.00.035 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a001739711f1332a4> | |
| 00:11 | News from kohagit: Bug 17602: Add missing html filters <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8dcfcd06e595ccabd> | |
| 00:11 | News from kohagit: Bug 21403: Do not overwrite the options if modified locally <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]877c5edb114aab558> | |
| 00:11 | News from kohagit: Bug 21385: Define the Koha object class for orders <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]307853845a6cd3735> | |
| 00:11 | News from kohagit: Bug 21462: (bug 15136 follow-up) Shift column numbering <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ac2cc2600c9b659a5> | |
| 00:11 | News from kohagit: Bug 21448: Fix copy repeated subfields when linking an authority with 6xx <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3a1d6c4878cce7c86> | |
| 00:11 | News from kohagit: Bug 21430: Update two-column templates with Bootstrap grid: Reports part 3 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d1648162781486f5b> | |
| 00:11 | News from kohagit: Bug 21403: Add Indian Amazon Affiliate option to AmazonLocale setting <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ae4a5f680639cee97> | |
| 00:11 | News from kohagit: Bug 21385: (follow-up) make query consistent <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]580888022641d4b6a> | |
| 00:11 | News from kohagit: Bug 21385: Add Unit Tests <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0ed2506199423f103> | |
| 00:11 | News from kohagit: Bug 21385: Correctly count all items in basket for booksellers list <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f9eed5f0f75ca8107> | |
| 00:11 | News from kohagit: Bug 21176: Fix due date calculation when high holds and TimeFormat is 12hr <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1ec0dc4a2a8ecd1f7> | |
| 00:11 | News from kohagit: Bug 21429: Update two-column templates with Bootstrap grid: Reports part 2 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f0650f301d314b034> | |
| 00:11 | News from kohagit: Bug 21428: Update two-column templates with Bootstrap grid: Reports part 1 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fee534d1613553146> | |
| 00:30 | kidclamp | night! |
| 00:40 | Guest1662 | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 00:40 | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #564: FIXED in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/564/ | |
| 00:41 | kidclamp | Heck yeah |
| 00:48 | Guest1662 | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 00:48 | Project Koha_Master_D8 build #58: FIXED in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_Master_D8/58/ | |
| 01:06 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 01:06 | Project Koha_Master_U18 build #52: FIXED in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_U18/52/ | |
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| 02:36 | mtompset | @later tell CrispyBran I'm more findable on skype, facebook, twitter, and other communication methods. :) |
| 02:36 | huginn | mtompset: The operation succeeded. |
| 02:37 | mtompset | Have a great day, #koha kidclamp |
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| 03:55 | Javier_Pelaez | d |
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| 05:31 | ashimema | <_oftc_Freddy "cait++"> Freddy_Enrique++ #casting some light on how the community fits together.. awesome diagrams man |
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| 05:34 | ashimema | Joubu++ #jumping on the critical bug whilst I was asleep.. thanks dude |
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| 05:42 | paxed | cait: morning. bug 11175 now obeys a syspref |
| 05:42 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11175 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Needs Signoff , Show the parent record's component parts in the detailed views |
| 06:16 | ashimema | paxed++ |
| 06:16 | I love that feature paxed | |
| 06:25 | paxed | i just hope it can be shoved into master eventually... |
| 06:25 | ashimema | it's using proper 001 links too isn't it? |
| 06:25 | * ashimema | is just reading the patch.. it's pretty comprehensive |
| 06:25 | ashimema | may well need a ES followup though perhaps? |
| 06:26 | but I'm personally happy with it going in, in two stages.. zebra first | |
| 06:26 | magnuse | \o/ |
| 06:26 | ashimema | ooh.. are you doing the proper combination of 001 and 003.. |
| 06:26 | koha's not done that to date has it.. that's awesome.. I've been wanting to add that for ages | |
| 06:27 | magnuse | paxed++ |
| 06:30 | ashimema | You didn't fancy taking a look through these wiki pages and updating them at all did you? |
| 06:30 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]/Serial_Analytics | |
| 06:30 | I wrote them, or rather wrote some and adapted others when I last worked in this area.. would be awesome to keep them up to date with this feature | |
| 06:30 | May even be nice to add them into the manual at some point | |
| 06:33 | be nice to actually do the merge of https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Analytics into the little set of pages at least too | |
| 06:33 | at last.. even | |
| 06:33 | paxed | ashimema: i took a loook, haven't touched them, because i'm losing faith ever getting this feature in |
| 06:33 | ashimema | really? |
| 06:35 | I'm happy to lend a hand.. be a lovely feature to get in | |
| 06:35 | aha.. I see.. caits special libraries with article level records. | |
| 06:35 | yeah.. I had a loooong chat with her about that way back | |
| 06:35 | leads to a massive catalogue | |
| 06:35 | matts | hi |
| 06:35 | ashimema | adding a 'see more . . .' shouldn't be too terrible though should it? |
| 06:35 | hi matts | |
| 06:36 | ooh | |
| 06:36 | and her wierd missing middle level | |
| 06:36 | hmm | |
| 06:36 | * calire | waves |
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| 06:37 | paxed | ashimema: it now depends on a syspref to turn it off altogether, so |
| 06:37 | * dcook | waves while on the phone |
| 06:37 | josef_moravec | hi #koha |
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| 06:38 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:39 | paxed | ashimema: the list also just shows scrollbars if the height would be more than 25em: https://bilious.alt.org/~paxed[…]75_screenshot.png |
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| 06:40 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:40 | ashimema | Coolios |
| 06:41 | What's the performance like with massive analytic numbers I wonder | |
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| 06:41 | paxed | zebra search. |
| 06:41 | all the component record mangling for display is done in xslt | |
| 06:48 | * ashimema | also always wondered if easyAnalytics could be merged into the useControlNumber handling |
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| 06:55 | magnuse | what's the plan for announcing the winner of the kohacon19 vote? at the general meeting tomorrow? |
| 06:57 | ashimema | I believe so |
| 06:57 | * ashimema | is in a company meeting all day tomorrow so isn't yet sure if he'll actually be able to attend the general meeting 🤔 |
| 06:58 | calire | tomorrow is a bank holiday here so I will likely forget -_- |
| 06:58 | magnuse | i would say as long as the feature can be turned off for those not able to use it, bug 11175 should make it in even if it does not fit cait's libraries :-) |
| 06:58 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11175 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Needs Signoff , Show the parent record's component parts in the detailed views |
| 06:58 | magnuse | ashimema: i think the meeting is late in the evening for us |
| 06:59 | 3 October 2018, 20:00 UTC https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ng_3_October_2018 | |
| 06:59 | ashimema | Indeed.. I'll likely be at dinner with the company gang |
| 06:59 | magnuse | 22:00 my time |
| 07:00 | 21:00 your time? | |
| 07:00 | y'all can join the meeting from your fonez ;-) | |
| 07:00 | ashimema | We have a two day meeting in London, and all go out for dinner.. as we're all remote it's our only opportunity to catch up in person |
| 07:00 | Yeah 2100 | |
| 07:00 | Hehe | |
| 07:00 | magnuse | sounds nice, though |
| 07:00 | * ashimema | is on the phone right now...bet you can tell from all the typos |
| 07:01 | ashimema | Indeed |
| 07:01 | The docs meeting is just before it isn't it.. or is that today..I've lost track | |
| 07:03 | magnuse | today, i think |
| 07:03 | 2 October 2018, 21:00 UTC https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ng_2_October_2018 | |
| 07:03 | ashimema | I'll try to poke our docs person.. she's keen now 😁 |
| 07:04 | magnuse | yay! |
| 07:05 | * ashimema | really needs to get an ES setup today.. meant to be demoing it tomorrow |
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| 07:25 | magnuse | bonjour cait et sophie_m |
| 07:25 | sophie_m | hi magnuse and #koha |
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| 07:47 | * andreashm | waves |
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| 07:57 | tuxayo | o/ andreashm |
| 07:59 | dcook | "The machine index which stores all required information about running Vagrant environments has become corrupt" |
| 07:59 | eeep | |
| 07:59 | * dcook | hopes vagrant doesn't crash his workstation again |
| 08:00 | andreashm | hi tuxayo |
| 08:00 | and hi dcook! working late? | |
| 08:01 | dcook | hey andreashm |
| 08:01 | Yup | |
| 08:01 | andreashm | and that error does sound bad! |
| 08:01 | dcook | I sent you an email saying I was going to try to do some community work with 4 minutes left of my work day |
| 08:01 | And now I'm just going to see how long I can go before I get hungry :p | |
| 08:02 | andreashm | make it 4 good minutes! =) |
| 08:03 | dcook | It's already been 6 minutes now heh |
| 08:03 | I still have a handful or two of peanut m&ms though so all good | |
| 08:04 | Hmm... I do still have this laptop with everything set up. Maybe I should just use that in favour of my workstation... | |
| 08:12 | ashimema | paxed still about? |
| 08:13 | andreashm | dcook: using the pre-configured laptop makes a lot of sense in this situation. =) |
| 08:13 | unless you've already gone by now | |
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| 08:15 | paxed | ashimema: yes? |
| 08:16 | fridolin | hi ;) |
| 08:16 | ashimema | are you deliberately only handling 773's in that display bug? |
| 08:17 | * ashimema | is looking at how far useControlNumber now goes.. it's used for a whole bunch of linked fields these days |
| 08:17 | ashimema | 490, 773, 775, 780, 785 |
| 08:17 | dcook | andreashm: Nah, I think I'm going to be here forever now :D |
| 08:17 | Also managed to mess up the git on the laptop :'( | |
| 08:17 | But... looking at fixing it. So that's fun. | |
| 08:18 | paxed | ashimema: well, 773 is the component parts field. 775 is "other edition", etc. this would be a good start to even handle any of these |
| 08:18 | ashimema | agreed.. just wondered if there was the intention to do it |
| 08:19 | andreashm | dcook: I always manage to break something with git. so I sympathize. |
| 08:20 | ashimema | I also wonder about your 'hidden in the code' fallback route between using 001 + 003 and just 001 |
| 08:20 | dcook | It made me think of that time at Kohacon heh |
| 08:21 | ashimema | as the linking fields stuff all ind on useControlNumber syspref I could certainly see people wanting that turned on.. but then the hiding of that fact that that inadvertantly turns off the 001 + 003 type searching/linking for this could be a surprise |
| 08:21 | paxed | ashimema: 003+001 is what should be used for linking per the MARC21 format specs. |
| 08:21 | ashimema | perhaps a followup bug that adds a 'UseControlIdentifier' pref and allows for the links to construct much like in your display search |
| 08:22 | I agree | |
| 08:22 | andreashm | dcook: haha. =) |
| 08:24 | wait, useControlNumber braks 001+003 search/linking? | |
| 08:24 | breaks | |
| 08:24 | ashimema | well it doesn't break it |
| 08:24 | it just ignores 003's | |
| 08:25 | so.. I imagine in allot of cases there's not conflicts in 001's that actually require the 003 distinction | |
| 08:25 | but the 001 + 003 is the 'correct' way to do it according to spec as far as I'm aware | |
| 08:25 | if you don't use useControlNumber then links are simple title searches.. so your even worse off | |
| 08:25 | dcook ^ | |
| 08:27 | andreashm | oh. didn't know that. thanks for clarifying! |
| 08:27 | paxed | but that has nothing to do with bug 11175, imo |
| 08:27 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11175 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Needs Signoff , Show the parent record's component parts in the detailed views |
| 08:27 | ashimema | hense my thoughts on adding a useControlIdentifier pref to add the distinction |
| 08:27 | so you can build up the specificity of the searches | |
| 08:28 | * dcook | wasn't really following the conversation |
| 08:28 | dcook | hey josef_moravec, are you still around? |
| 08:28 | ashimema | paxed: except that if happend to have a catalogue where 003 was important.. enabling useControlNumber would mean you get bad results in bug 11175 |
| 08:28 | josef_moravec | hi dcook, yes still here |
| 08:29 | dcook | awesome, I'll PM you |
| 08:29 | ashimema | sorry dcook.. I actualyl highlighted the wrong person |
| 08:30 | dcook | np ashimema. I do find 001+003 interesting in general! Although mostly in terms of how 001+003 should be combined to make the 035 on import I think... |
| 08:30 | ashimema | oh. interesting other side to this.. thanks dcook :) |
| 08:30 | paxed | ashimema: okay, i'll redo the patch |
| 08:30 | ashimema | i'm also never entirely sure how 001 and 003 should be combined for 773$w |
| 08:31 | paxed | 773w=(Host_003) Host_001 |
| 08:31 | ashimema | paxed does a 'combine with space' OR '773$w=001 AND 003=003' |
| 08:31 | which is interesting | |
| 08:31 | I'd also seen no space | |
| 08:31 | and 003 in brackets and a space | |
| 08:31 | dcook | Oh wow... I seem to have filled my kohadevbox's diskspace with my koha git... |
| 08:31 | ashimema | as above |
| 08:32 | paxed | $w(DLC)###59003745# |
| 08:32 | ashimema | do you not link out to a local kohclone dcook? |
| 08:32 | dcook | Nah, I thought I was having issues with git for windows, so I just did it within the kohadevbox on the laptop at kohacon |
| 08:32 | Going forward, I'd link out though | |
| 08:33 | ashimema | I see |
| 08:33 | dcook | In fact I should check the status of the kohadevbox on my desktop to see how it's coping |
| 08:33 | * dcook | is a huge fan of koha-testing-docker... |
| 08:33 | paxed | ashimema: looks like even the LoC doesn't khow exactly, as their examples also have $w(CaOONL)840790694E |
| 08:33 | so looks like space is optional | |
| 08:33 | ashimema | yeah.. it's a mess ;) |
| 08:33 | dcook | (CaOONL)840790694E is what I'm used to for a 035? |
| 08:34 | ashimema | kinda why I'd like to make easyAnalytics work with useControl number.. so we can suggest/enforce how they're combined at least from the manual catalogueing stance |
| 08:34 | paxed | but it's (host_003) + maybe_spaces + Host_001 |
| 08:34 | ashimema | cool.. I missed the 'maybe' in the code.. my bad |
| 08:35 | paxed | actually, the spec says "System control number of the related record preceded by the MARC code, enclosed in parentheses" |
| 08:35 | * dcook | curses Windows |
| 08:35 | ashimema | interesting |
| 08:36 | I'll update the wiki examples then to add in the brackets | |
| 08:36 | hehe | |
| 08:36 | I do like that you also fall back to checking for 003 = 003 match plus 773w = 001 matching | |
| 08:36 | that's nice | |
| 08:37 | paxed | i'll redo the patch so it doesn't consider UseControlNumber |
| 08:38 | ashimema | :) |
| 08:38 | sorry.. didn't mean to throw a spanner in the works :) | |
| 08:38 | many eyes aye | |
| 08:38 | paxed | single line change, so *shrug* |
| 08:39 | ashimema | :) |
| 08:43 | andreashm | never seen a 035 with a space between 003+001. But haven't really paid attention to how it looks at 773w. |
| 08:43 | paxed | ashimema: done |
| 08:44 | andreashm: looks like 035 _doesn't_ have spaces, at least according to LoC examples | |
| 08:44 | ah | |
| 08:44 | "MARC code (enclosed in parentheses) of the organization originating the system control number, followed immediately by the number." | |
| 08:44 | andreashm | makes sense then |
| 08:44 | paxed | note the "immediately" |
| 08:44 | 773$w doesn't say immediately | |
| 08:44 | andreashm | so its only in 773w where it is optinal |
| 08:45 | optional | |
| 08:45 | good catch | |
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| 09:05 | ashimema | would you rather I signoff on bug 11175 paxed.. or wait for the SO and then QA it? |
| 09:05 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11175 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Needs Signoff , Show the parent record's component parts in the detailed views |
| 09:05 | ashimema | if I SO it, cait can QA perhaps. |
| 09:07 | paxed | ashimema: you're interested in testing it, seems to me, so SO ;) |
| 09:07 | ashimema | :) |
| 09:08 | * ashimema | has tested.. looks good :) |
| 09:09 | ashimema | ooh.. |
| 09:09 | it already has a signoff line | |
| 09:52 | paxed | hm. is there a mechanism to invalidate cache (or certain cache keys) when saving a (certain) syspref? |
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| 10:02 | dcook | Just going to leave this here... |
| 10:02 | https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]devbox/issues/273 | |
| 10:15 | paxed: I wonder that too. I've had a lot of issues with caching and system preferences and just haven't had time to look into it... | |
| 10:17 | paxed | i don't think there's any method for it, but it might be nice to have a field in the systempreferences for "cache keys that need to be invalidated when this value is changed", with '*' meaning all |
| 10:18 | dcook | Certainly an interesting idea |
| 10:18 | Although on that note, I am going hoooome | |
| 10:18 | 8:18pm is too late to be at work | |
| 10:18 | paxed | it's only 13:18 here, so a bit more to go for me |
| 10:18 | andreashm | oh, go home dcook! |
| 10:19 | and do what all responsible people do. eat chips for dinner and start working from home instead. =) | |
| 10:19 | ashimema | lol] |
| 10:19 | dcook | lol |
| 10:19 | ashimema | go andreashm |
| 10:19 | hehe | |
| 10:19 | paxed | what? no no no, you should code your own fun projects instead... |
| 10:20 | dcook | I was thinking I'd grab pizza on the way >_> heh |
| 10:20 | ashimema | so.. see you in an hour then dcook ;) |
| 10:20 | hehe | |
| 10:20 | dcook | paxed: It's like you're reading my mind |
| 10:20 | andreashm | =) |
| 10:20 | dcook | I have a little bit of code I want to do for a ESP8266 at home. Shouldn't take long... right? |
| 10:21 | andreashm: I now have a kohadevbox that should work though, so hopefully that should make it easier for me to get stuff done | |
| 10:21 | I kept bumping into this issue and now that I've resolved it and know why it seems to be happening... I can move on heh | |
| 10:21 | andreashm | dcook: great! hope to see bug 10662 moving again! =) |
| 10:21 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10662 new feature, P3, ---, dcook, Failed QA , Build OAI-PMH Harvesting Client |
| 10:21 | dcook | Ok actually leaving. Night everyone! |
| 10:21 | andreashm | night dcook |
| 10:22 | ashimema | night dcook |
| 10:26 | calire | g'night |
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| 10:46 | eythian_ | oh, dcook was here. |
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| 11:00 | * kidclamp | waves |
| 11:09 | magnuse | \o/ |
| 11:12 | paxed | magnuse: i think janPasi has some choice words for you? ;) |
| 11:13 | janPasi | magnuse: well... it's about sami bibliography |
| 11:13 | magnuse | ok? |
| 11:14 | janPasi | magnuse: I got the impression that you guys would like to harvest library of (finnish) lapland's database with OAI/PMH for the Sami bibliography |
| 11:14 | magnuse: the problem in that being that there are ~1.7 million biblios, of which you want around 70000 | |
| 11:14 | magnuse | uhm, sorry that does not ring a bell for me :-) |
| 11:15 | janPasi | magnuse: and OAI doesn't really offer much in the way of selecting what actually gets harvested |
| 11:16 | magnuse: ok, I sent an e-mail to Asbjörn Risan about this, so we'll see :) | |
| 11:17 | magnuse | ah, he works at BIBSYS, one of our competitors :-) |
| 11:17 | janPasi | magnuse: oh, I see |
| 11:17 | ashimema | kidclamp: is this still the most up to date place to look for ES state of affairs and setup instructions? https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]iki/Elasticsearch |
| 11:17 | janPasi | magnuse: I think they are the ones that maintain the Sami bibliography |
| 11:17 | kidclamp | it has not been updated (by me) in some time |
| 11:18 | magnuse | janPasi: yeah, they handle a lot of the tech stuff for our national library, so i suspect the national library would be the "project owners" |
| 11:18 | kidclamp | however it looks fairly reasonable |
| 11:18 | if it doesn't work I just crib from kohadevbox to get ES installed and running ashimema | |
| 11:19 | ashimema | ta |
| 11:19 | janPasi | magnuse: you wouldn't happen to know who to contact in the norwegian national library? |
| 11:19 | ashimema | hehe |
| 11:19 | yeah.. that was my backup plan | |
| 11:19 | I'm finally getting around to playing with it to get a demo setup for our company meeting tomorrow | |
| 11:20 | would you recommend me grabbing any in the queue patches to give the best impression? | |
| 11:20 | or that you want SO/QA on whilst I'm working to get a setup running :P | |
| 11:22 | Joubu | bug 18235 |
| 11:22 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18235 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Elastic search - Configurable facets |
| 11:22 | ashimema | ta Joubu |
| 11:23 | once I'm up and running and grab it and take a look | |
| 11:26 | ooh.. I wasn't aware of a koha-nightly deb repo | |
| 11:26 | i kinda thought that that was what unstable on community was | |
| 11:32 | andreashm | janPasi: can you create a set for the records they would like to harvest? |
| 11:33 | can't ^^ | |
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| 11:45 | oleonard | Hello #koha |
| 11:45 | andreashm | hi oleonard |
| 11:48 | ashimema | ok.. so |
| 11:48 | trying to index on elastic I get `[NoNodes] ** No nodes are available: [http://localhost:9200]` | |
| 11:48 | which sounds as simple as elastic isn't running | |
| 11:49 | Joubu | kidclamp: another follow-up attached to 13618 |
| 11:50 | ashimema | starting es should be as simple as `sudo service elasticsearch start` right? |
| 11:51 | * magnuse | thinks so, yes |
| 11:54 | cait | ashimema: noNodes is what i see n my devbox atm too... if you figure that out |
| 11:54 | ashimema | oh.. I have the fun of systemd |
| 11:54 | and | |
| 11:54 | it's also run out of memory too | |
| 11:54 | cait | and it won't start (stays red dot) |
| 11:54 | ashimema | try `sudo journalctl --unit elasticsearch` cait |
| 11:55 | seems the systemd inits don't report whether a start actually succeeds | |
| 11:55 | so mine wasn't | |
| 11:55 | I had to go digging through logs to figure out it was oom | |
| 11:55 | janPasi | andreashm: hmm, maybe, I'll look into that |
| 11:56 | andreashm: that would be a good solution actually :) | |
| 11:56 | cait | ashimema: have to try on the laptop at home, but will do :) |
| 11:56 | ashimema | to be fair to it.. my dev box was only at 1gb ram |
| 11:56 | I've just quadrupled it | |
| 11:56 | Joubu | ashimema: update your kohadevbox repo |
| 11:57 | ashimema | I'm not using kohadevbox for this yet |
| 11:57 | it's installed as per an old git dev install ;) | |
| 11:57 | it's what i had lying around ;) | |
| 11:59 | damn elastic is heavy.. it immediately filled all the extra ram I gave it. | |
| 11:59 | lol | |
| 12:06 | eythian | https://www.atlasobscura.com/a[…]s-forgotten-books |
| 12:08 | Joubu | s/filled/reserved I guess |
| 12:09 | ashimema | indeed |
| 12:12 | magnuse | "Backslash separated text (.csv)" really? |
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| 12:17 | andreashm | janPasi: good! |
| 12:20 | kidclamp | yeah, ES needs 4gb at minimum I believe |
| 12:33 | magnuse | java ftw! ;-) |
| 12:40 | fridolin | kidclamp: ah depends on catalog volume |
| 12:40 | our sandboxes avec 1Go xmx | |
| 12:40 | its a 5000 records | |
| 12:40 | kidclamp | hmm..in my experience ES will crash with less then 4GB |
| 12:41 | what version are you running? | |
| 12:41 | ashimema | I can't even start ES without 4gb |
| 12:42 | so perhaps there's some extra config I'm missing.. but for me the default config after running a apt install elasticsearch (with the es 5 apt repos only installed).. i tried just starting it with 1gb and it immediately dies out of memory | |
| 12:44 | Joubu | `vagrant up` and you have a working ES install... :) |
| 12:44 | ashimema | i currently do ;) |
| 12:44 | Joubu | ho, I told it already |
| 12:44 | ashimema | no need for vagrant for me |
| 12:44 | ;) | |
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| 12:52 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:53 | oleonard | Hi tcohen |
| 12:53 | calire | hi tcohen |
| 12:53 | and oleonard | |
| 13:05 | ashimema | hola |
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| 13:22 | caroline | Good morning! |
| 13:23 | oleonard | Hi caroline |
| 13:23 | * andreashm | waves |
| 13:23 | calire | hi caroline |
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| 13:35 | Freddy_Enrique | *waves to all :) |
| 13:35 | * cait | waves |
| 13:38 | * Freddy_Enrique | starts the day with some Lindsey Stirling music |
| 13:38 | caroline | +1 |
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| 13:40 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 13:40 | Greetings, Margaret | |
| 13:41 | Margaret | good morning mtompset! |
| 13:42 | Freddy_Enrique | Good morning mtompset |
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| 13:46 | mtompset | Greetings, Freddy_Enrique |
| 13:46 | I attempt to avoid morning/evening greetings, since you never know what timezone people are in. :) | |
| 13:47 | @seen cait | |
| 13:47 | huginn | mtompset: cait was last seen in #koha 12 minutes and 16 seconds ago: * cait waves |
| 13:49 | mtompset | cait, you here? |
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| 13:50 | mtompset | If anyone is interested... I just moved things around on the KohaCon Hackfest board to reflect our current status. :) |
| 13:50 | Hopefully that doesn't upset people. :) | |
| 13:51 | cait | sorry, about to leave! |
| 13:51 | which page? | |
| 13:51 | mtompset | https://trello.com/b/8EZBrFYR/kohacon18-hackfest |
| 13:51 | That one. :) | |
| 13:52 | There's something almost satisfying about the "Needs Sign Off" column being almost empty. :) | |
| 13:53 | oleonard | So, only 200 bugs missing from that board. |
| 13:53 | mtompset | Oh don't be such a downer, oleonard |
| 13:53 | Greetings, oleonard. | |
| 13:53 | The fact that they were at Hackfest means we might wish to give them priority when looking at things. | |
| 13:54 | tuxayo | Greetings mtompset :) |
| 13:54 | mtompset | Greetings and Salutations, tuxayo! :) |
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| 14:05 | mtompset | Greetings, kohaputti ... why putti? |
| 14:06 | cait | bye all |
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| 14:06 | mtompset | Bye, cait... DOH! too slow because of typos. |
| 14:06 | Back in a reboot. | |
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| 14:09 | mtompset | Greetings again, #koha. :) |
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| 14:15 | oleonard | With everything getting an HTML filter in the template now, do we need lines 524-527 of Auth.pm? |
| 14:19 | mtompset | ??? I'm not sure I'm looking at the same code you are, oleonard. What is line 524? |
| 14:20 | oleonard | #TODO : replace LibraryName syspref with 'system name', and remove this html processing |
| 14:20 | mtompset | That's 512. |
| 14:21 | That's a good question. I guess it would depend on where Library Name is used in the template files, and if it really does push it through a filter. | |
| 14:22 | oleonard | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]01ce;hb=HEAD#l524 |
| 14:22 | mtompset | DOH! I'm on 18.05 |
| 14:23 | Yep. That was difference. :) | |
| 14:25 | caroline | anyone who worked on bug 19166 (kidclamp, ashimema, cait), what does "Encumber while invoice open?" mean? |
| 14:25 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19166 new feature, P5 - low, ---, nick, RESOLVED FIXED, Add the ability to add adjustments to an invoice |
| 14:25 | kidclamp | whether the funds should be counted as 'ordered' before the invoice is closed |
| 14:26 | if it is not set, then the adjustment doesn't affect your budget until the invoice is closed | |
| 14:26 | ashimema | I.e. when does it affect the budget |
| 14:26 | caroline | ok thank! |
| 14:26 | kidclamp | if set they will be subtrcted from the available funds immediately |
| 14:26 | ashimema | 'item-level_itypes set but no itemtype set for item' |
| 14:26 | caroline | *thanks |
| 14:26 | kidclamp | accountants understand, or so I am told |
| 14:26 | caroline | The manual readers thank you :) |
| 14:26 | ashimema | Anyone able to remind me what goes bad when your seeing that allot |
| 14:27 | kidclamp | title level holds |
| 14:27 | ashimema | Hehe |
| 14:27 | kidclamp | idk what else |
| 14:27 | ashimema | Cheers |
| 14:32 | oleonard | Anyone around who is familiar with using sip_cli_emulator.pl in kohadevbox? |
| 14:37 | caroline | Is there a minimum amount for invoice adjustments? If I add an adjustment of 0.01 then click on update, the amount becomes 0.00 |
| 14:38 | Joubu | oleonard: these lines assume that the pref LibraryName can contain html tags, and should be interpreted. However LibraryNameTitle should remove the tags (not interprete them nor display them) |
| 14:39 | oleonard: so yes we need them, and we should not escape LibraryName but use $raw insead | |
| 14:40 | oleonard | I can't remember why LibraryName was meant to allow HTML... |
| 14:40 | * Joubu | re-reads that and does not understand what he wrote... |
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| 14:41 | Joubu | git log points to commit "rel_3_0 moved to HEAD" erk |
| 14:44 | paul_p: maybe? | |
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| 15:12 | Freddy_Enrique | mtompset: that trello we app.... really useful :) |
| 15:12 | mtompset++ | |
| 15:13 | I feel it is better than google keep notes | |
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| 15:14 | * ashimema | likes trello boards too |
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| 15:28 | * mtompset | doesn't like Trello, but is willing to use it. |
| 15:35 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:37 | Joubu | good news, it's not trello but taiga :) |
| 15:45 | caroline | Fellow ubuntu users, what do you use to borrow ebooks? I tried installing Adobe Digital Editions with Wine, but it keeps crashing and I need to test our ebook lending service integration -_- |
| 15:48 | oleonard | Is it a known bug that records without biblio-level item types can't be viewed in the OPAc? |
| 15:48 | Can't call method "may_article_request" on an undefined value at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/opac/opac-detail.pl line 761 | |
| 15:49 | mtompset | Joubu, What's in a name? A Kaban board by any other name would be just as annoying. I don't like it. :P |
| 15:51 | * mtompset | apologies to Shakespeare for ruining Romeo & Juliette. :) |
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| 15:53 | Joubu | oleonard: we are going to assume that item types are correctly defined (bug 21150) |
| 15:53 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21150 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Data inconsistencies - item types |
| 15:53 | magnuse | do we have any docs on how to use the new rest api yet? e.g. for third party developers who are not familiar with koha? |
| 15:54 | oleonard | Joubu: I have item-level itemtypes enabled |
| 15:55 | Joubu | ha! |
| 15:57 | that's tricky then... | |
| 16:00 | oleonard | Bug 21475 |
| 16:00 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21475 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Error in the OPAC when viewing a record which has no biblio-level itemtype |
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| 16:23 | * magnuse | wanders off into the night |
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| 16:28 | * LeeJ | waves |
| 16:28 | oleonard | Hi LeeJ |
| 16:28 | LeeJ | hi everyone |
| 16:28 | long time no see | |
| 16:30 | had the best intentions of being back on here earlier but classes had other plans for me apparently :) | |
| 16:31 | * LeeJ | dives into the manual's merge requests |
| 16:33 | LeeJ | ashimema: around? |
| 16:33 | ashimema | Sorta |
| 16:34 | Just picking up kids from clubs and running around cooking tea.. so on general parental duties | |
| 16:34 | LeeJ | ashimema: is your Update systempreferences.rst to match changes made by bug 20271 ready to merge to the manual now? I noticed it doesn't have WIP anymore but just wanted to check |
| 16:34 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20271 major, P1 - high, ---, oha, Failed QA , Merge deleted biblio, biblioitems, biblio_metadata, and items tables with their "alive" cousins |
| 16:34 | ashimema | But I can watch this.. just don't expect immediate replies 😉 |
| 16:35 | Oh, not sure how the WIP got lost | |
| 16:35 | Looks like the bug it relates to isn't in master yet (in fact it's failed QA) so not ready I'm afraid | |
| 16:35 | LeeJ | so that's still WIP? I just re-added the WIP |
| 16:35 | ashimema | I was trying to get ahead of the curve on that one.. SE thing with the stock rotation one |
| 16:35 | Thanks | |
| 16:36 | * ashimema | realises he never tidied up the two SR merge requests.. not sure how I ended up with two |
| 16:36 | ashimema | Been a busy few months.. |
| 16:37 | LeeJ | ashimema: you said it :P |
| 16:38 | ashimema: I'm taking 12 credits on top of working 40 hours a week | |
| 16:40 | caroline | Hi LeeJ! I missed your entrance :) |
| 16:40 | LeeJ | caroline: hello! I missed my #koha family :) |
| 16:40 | caroline: merging your 171 now | |
| 16:41 | caroline | thx! :) |
| 16:41 | LeeJ | caroline: merged :) |
| 16:42 | caroline | +1! |
| 16:42 | I added tons of topics for today's meeting, sorry! I hope it won't be too long | |
| 16:46 | mtompset | LeeJ! Greetings. :) |
| 16:46 | LeeJ | caroline: I don't mind! I'm glad you took the initiative because I've been a terrible inactive jerk :) |
| 16:46 | mtompset: salutations! | |
| 16:47 | mtompset | LeeJ++ # Correct reply protocol. ;) |
| 16:47 | * ashimema | may or may not be at the meeting :( |
| 16:48 | Freddy_Enrique | meeting time guys? |
| 16:48 | caroline | next meetings? |
| 16:48 | ugh I can never get this right | |
| 16:48 | Freddy_Enrique | By bad, I thought you were currently in a meeting |
| 16:49 | caroline | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Next_IRC_meetings |
| 16:49 | No it's later today | |
| 16:49 | Freddy_Enrique | I meant to ask... what is that SOPAC2? |
| 16:50 | thanks caroline | |
| 16:50 | caroline | google search says it's "social opac", but I have no idea what it does |
| 16:51 | Freddy_Enrique | me too, just saw it in the manual |
| 16:52 | caroline | maybe this? https://www.drupal.org/project/sopac |
| 16:53 | updated 2014 :/ | |
| 16:53 | Freddy_Enrique | basically, gives more features to the catalog |
| 16:54 | got it | |
| 16:55 | caroline | yeah but all those features are already in the opac... maybe it's an older thing |
| 16:55 | Freddy_Enrique | I found it in the 17.05... Man, I really need to update asap |
| 16:56 | caroline | keep in mind that we only ADD to the manual, we rarely go through and remove out of date things |
| 16:57 | Freddy_Enrique | is that a fact for all the manual? |
| 16:57 | manuals* | |
| 16:57 | caroline | yes, as far as I know |
| 16:57 | well all the koha manuals | |
| 16:58 | Freddy_Enrique | Ok, before I forget. You mentioned that we have newsletter and tweeter to get informed |
| 16:58 | caroline | yes |
| 16:59 | Freddy_Enrique | I was searching in tweeter the Koha label. But, I dont get anything |
| 16:59 | caroline | search for @kohails |
| 17:00 | The newsletter is here : https://koha-community.org/cat[…]/koha-newsletter/ | |
| 17:01 | Freddy_Enrique | thanks a lot! I was able to find the newsletter, but with the tweeter account was a different history |
| 17:01 | caroline++ | |
| 17:01 | caroline | Were you able to find it with that handle? |
| 17:02 | going to lunch bbl | |
| 17:03 | LeeJ | caroline: okay enjoy : |
| 17:03 | :) | |
| 17:03 | Freddy_Enrique | Bom apettite |
| 17:15 | oleonard | Joubu++ |
| 17:15 | Thanks for updating qa tools with filter check | |
| 17:17 | LeeJ | @later tell kidclamp hey, so is this the file for the 18.11 release? was asking because it's labeled 18.06.. https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]notes_18_06_00.md |
| 17:17 | huginn | LeeJ: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:20 | ashimema | 18.06 is the codename for in-development version |
| 17:21 | kidclamp | yup LeeJ - I wil try to generate recent ones today too |
| 17:24 | ashimema | may nab you for some elastic fault finding later if your still about kidclamp |
| 17:24 | I can't get any results for any searches at the moment :( | |
| 17:25 | cmo_ | hmmm my mysqld died |
| 17:25 | i wonder why | |
| 17:25 | tcohen | cmo_: /var/log/mysql.err |
| 17:29 | kidclamp | what does the elasticsearch.log give you ashimema? Did you doa reindex with -d? always best to make sure the indexes are cleared and up to date |
| 17:30 | cmo_ | looking tcohen but not seeing where crash occurred so far |
| 17:30 | last line from date of crash just shows socket established | |
| 17:31 | tcohen | tail -n 100 /var/log/mysql.err |
| 17:31 | cmo_ | hehe |
| 17:31 | i know how to read log files but ty | |
| 17:31 | just saying 'i wonder' cuz i haven't figured it out | |
| 17:31 | ashimema | hmm |
| 17:31 | tcohen | ah, maybe syslog knows about the problem |
| 17:32 | ashimema | .. /var/log/elasticsearch.log shows the re-index stuff.. but doesn't appear to grow when i hit the opac search |
| 17:32 | kidclamp | try a search for '*' that shoudl return anything |
| 17:32 | then: curl -X GET "localhost:9200/_cat/indices?v" | |
| 17:32 | that should show if you have docs working | |
| 17:32 | ashimema | nada |
| 17:33 | that curl command gives | |
| 17:33 | 4 indexes.. 2 for each of my instances.. | |
| 17:33 | looks right to me | |
| 17:34 | kidclamp | how many docs? |
| 17:34 | ashimema | docs.count for each looks right too |
| 17:34 | hmm | |
| 17:34 | certainly looks like Koha's not hitting it | |
| 17:34 | * ashimema | sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]rKsDdmUEtgwgnvvTu > |
| 17:35 | cmo_ | ugh lol my syslog entries go back to the day after the crash |
| 17:35 | kidclamp | curl -X GET "localhost:9200/koha_rcs_biblios/_mapping/" |
| 17:35 | is there any problem in koha? is searchengine set to elastic? | |
| 17:36 | cmo_ | last time i couldn't understand why my catalog didn't work i just had to reset memcached lol |
| 17:36 | *restart | |
| 17:36 | maybe will help you.. | |
| 17:36 | kidclamp | add a dumper to dump the query before it gets passed to ES/Catmandu |
| 17:37 | * ashimema | moves to PM to stop spamming general too much |
| 17:37 | kidclamp | i think it's relevant ashimema |
| 17:37 | cmo_ | i know i like reading about people's koha problems and learning more |
| 17:37 | ashimema | okies.. I'm happy to stay here |
| 17:38 | just didn't want to swamp out cmo_ as they were also asking questions ;) | |
| 17:38 | '{"koha_rcs_biblios":{"mappings":{"data":{"_all":{"analyzer":"analyser_standard"},"properties":{"es_id":{"type":"long"},"record":{"type":"text","store":true}}}}}}#' | |
| 17:38 | cmo_ | nah i'm just curious about my sqld but it restarted fine |
| 17:38 | so i'm good | |
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| 17:41 | CrispyBran | oleonard: are you in? |
| 17:41 | oleonard | Yes |
| 17:44 | CrispyBran | would you mind checking something for me? We are on 17.11, and i don't have my test system in front of me right now. We are saving a non-public note in an item record (field x), but when I run a report, it is coming up in the paidfor field. |
| 17:47 | ashimema | `SetEnvIf Host "mrdev-elastic\.koha-ptfs\.co\.uk" OVERRIDE_SYSPREF_OPACUserCSS="body { background-color: red; }"` should still work right? |
| 17:48 | oleonard | CrispyBran: We haven't run into any problems that I'm aware of with non-public notes |
| 17:51 | CrispyBran | Hmmmm |
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| 17:55 | monica | how to make ISSUEQSLIP print from a reservation until you load the loan, thanks |
| 17:56 | caroline | monica: ISSUEQSLIP is not for reservations. Do you mean HOLD_SLIP? |
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| 18:14 | mtompset | CrispyBran! Greetings. :) |
| 18:14 | CrispyBran | hello mtompset |
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| 18:42 | oleonard | Bye all |
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| 18:51 | * LeeJ | shakes fist at campus network for going down |
| 18:58 | ashimema | Lol |
| 19:02 | Joubu | The "(remove)" link on the result page, to remove from cart, remove 2 "things" from the cart |
| 19:02 | so, add, add => show "2" | |
| 19:02 | add, remove => show "1" | |
| 19:02 | could anyone confirm that please? | |
| 19:02 | I do recreate on 18.05.x as well | |
| 19:03 | only opac | |
| 19:06 | 17.11 as well | |
| 19:06 | hum...17.05.x as well, should be on my side, right? | |
| 19:08 | that's super easy to test: launch a search at the opac, click "add to basket" twice, then remove one | |
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| 19:26 | Joubu | I confirmed on sandbox and catalyst demo, nothing in the bug tracker. How did nobody notice that before?! |
| 19:26 | caroline | Joubu: I tested in my 18,05.03. When I remove one, there is no more number |
| 19:26 | Is that what's happening for you too? | |
| 19:27 | Joubu | if you remove one, 2 are removed |
| 19:27 | caroline | yes |
| 19:27 | rangi | morning |
| 19:27 | caroline | very weird |
| 19:27 | Joubu | but actually it's worse than that. If you add, add, add, remove, add, then refresh, the selected ones are not the correct ones |
| 19:27 | the biblionumbers are not concat correctly in the cookie | |
| 19:28 | caroline | Does it have to do with the cookies? |
| 19:28 | Joubu | that's super crazy |
| 19:28 | I just cannot imagine nobody noticed that before, it impacts all stable releases... | |
| 19:28 | caroline | My first add still shows "in your cart", but it's not there |
| 19:29 | No my mistake, it's there, but the cart says 0 | |
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| 20:40 | caroline | cait did you see LeeJ's email? |
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| 21:02 | caroline | Who is here for the Docs meeting? |
| 21:02 | davidnind | I'm here! |
| 21:02 | Hi caroline! | |
| 21:03 | caroline | Hi davidnind! |
| 21:03 | I think it's only the two of us | |
| 21:03 | Joubu | I am more or less around |
| 21:03 | caroline | LeeJ has internet troubles and I pinged cait earlier and she didn't answer |
| 21:03 | davidnind | A quick meeting then! |
| 21:03 | Joubu | or postpone? |
| 21:03 | caroline | Do you think we should postpone and wait for them? |
| 21:04 | cait | hi |
| 21:04 | caroline | oh hello! |
| 21:04 | cait | sorry, i accidentally closed the window... and got lost in my knitting project |
| 21:04 | davidnind | Hi cait! |
| 21:04 | caroline | Yay for knitting! |
| 21:04 | Ok, well if we're four, it's ok we can start the meeting | |
| 21:05 | anybody want to chair as LeeJ is MIA? | |
| 21:05 | cait | do we have an agenda? |
| 21:05 | caroline | yes very big (my fault) |
| 21:05 | davidnind | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ng_2_October_2018 |
| 21:05 | cait | maybe yo should chair as punishment then :) |
| 21:06 | davidnind | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Chairing_meetings |
| 21:06 | caroline | :( ok, that means it will just be me typing the whole time :) |
| 21:06 | cait | i can do it |
| 21:06 | :) | |
| 21:06 | share the weight | |
| 21:06 | caroline | Hopefully I don't mess it up like last time |
| 21:06 | cait | if you want |
| 21:06 | but you will do fine if you do it :) | |
| 21:07 | caroline | :) thank you! |
| 21:07 | davidnind | I can try and chair if you like - will be a bit slow... but it is a good learning experience! |
| 21:07 | caroline | #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 2 October 2018 |
| 21:07 | huginn | Meeting started Tue Oct 2 21:07:27 2018 UTC. The chair is caroline. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 21:07 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 21:07 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 2 October 2018) | |
| 21:07 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_2_october_2018' |
| 21:07 | caroline | #chair cait |
| 21:07 | huginn | Current chairs: cait caroline |
| 21:07 | caroline | #chair davidnind |
| 21:07 | huginn | Current chairs: cait caroline davidnind |
| 21:07 | caroline | mwa hahah! |
| 21:08 | #topic Introductions | |
| 21:08 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 2 October 2018) | |
| 21:08 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany |
| 21:08 | caroline | (please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes) |
| 21:08 | #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro | |
| 21:08 | davidnind | #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand |
| 21:09 | caroline | Joubu? |
| 21:09 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
| 21:09 | caroline | #topic What's been done so far |
| 21:09 | Topic for #koha is now What's been done so far (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 2 October 2018) | |
| 21:09 | caroline | KohaCon18 & hackfest |
| 21:10 | rangi and cait gave a presentation on documenting Koha with a live edit of the manual (!!) | |
| 21:10 | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?[…]BXjSt7Dr1qKy&t=0s | |
| 21:10 | cait++ rangi++ | |
| 21:10 | It generated a lot of interest | |
| 21:10 | davidnind | rangi++ cait++ |
| 21:10 | cait | rangi did the demo - he is the brave one |
| 21:10 | caroline | I don't know if ppl asked them questions in private afterwards, but I know a couple approached me with questions |
| 21:10 | cait | he challenged them to make a edit for a fix of the version number and 2 did |
| 21:11 | caroline | Maybe future writers? :D rangi noticed new contributors. |
| 21:11 | during the hackfest, I gave a workshop on editing the manual and there was 8-10 ppl in attendance. | |
| 21:11 | davidnind | he gave out some chocolate fish as well I think |
| 21:11 | caroline++ | |
| 21:11 | caroline | That's a NZ thing, it's not as much an incentive for the rest of us ;) |
| 21:11 | cait | caroline++ |
| 21:12 | she was awesome :) | |
| 21:12 | caroline | The wiki page was really useful |
| 21:12 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_the_Koha_Manual | |
| 21:12 | hehe thx :) We all did a great job | |
| 21:12 | davidnind | I thought it went very well - there was a lot of interest, and I think everyone managed to get something commited |
| 21:13 | caroline | Any other comments? |
| 21:13 | moving on | |
| 21:13 | #topic Workflows | |
| 21:13 | Topic for #koha is now Workflows (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 2 October 2018) | |
| 21:13 | caroline | Does anybody have anything to say about this? It's a topic by default so I never know |
| 21:14 | cait | i think no changes |
| 21:14 | Joubu | (I have to leave sooner than expected, sorry! See you tomorrow) |
| 21:14 | cait | so we can probably move on? |
| 21:14 | davidnind | Is everyone okay if I add a section on setting up a local copy of Sphinx, so you can generate an updated docs |
| 21:14 | caroline | #topic Next steps |
| 21:14 | Topic for #koha is now Next steps (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 2 October 2018) | |
| 21:14 | caroline | davidnind: of course! |
| 21:15 | davidnind | wasn't as complicated as I thought |
| 21:15 | caroline | I'm eager to see it, I didn't know it was possible |
| 21:15 | So you can see in real time your changes? | |
| 21:15 | davidnind | yep - doesn't take too long to generate |
| 21:15 | caroline | Cool! |
| 21:16 | davidnind | was easy to setup on Linux, can do on Windows, but don't have a mac to test |
| 21:16 | caroline | Please do! I'm always anxious with the syntax because I don't know how it will turn out |
| 21:16 | cait | you have to regenerate |
| 21:16 | davidnind | added to my task list! |
| 21:16 | cait | but it does work :) and you can have your own epub too |
| 21:16 | caroline | like the doctor? |
| 21:16 | cait | heh |
| 21:16 | i so want to say yes to that | |
| 21:16 | caroline | :) |
| 21:17 | Alrighty | |
| 21:17 | #action davidnind will write a section on setting up a local copy of Sphinx, so you can generate an updated docs | |
| 21:17 | #topic Automation of screenshots | |
| 21:17 | Topic for #koha is now Automation of screenshots (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 2 October 2018) | |
| 21:17 | caroline | I noticed a lot of screenshots were out of date in the manual |
| 21:18 | I added a dedicated section in Taiga, but it discouraged me a little bit | |
| 21:18 | #link https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]adocs-1805/us/586 | |
| 21:18 | During hackfest, I spoke with Joubu about his tool to take automatic screenshots. He said no one had really sent him comments, so we weren't sure if it was because there was no interest, or because of another reason (too busy, email got lost in pile of emails, etc.) | |
| 21:18 | We discussed of the pros and cons and I wrote them down so we could discuss them here | |
| 21:18 | #link https://www.evernote.com/shard[…]a086a35d116a0f44c | |
| 21:18 | PROS | |
| 21:18 | 1) Screenshots are always up-to-date with the latest version, do it once and they're always there | |
| 21:18 | 2) Screenshots can be generated in all languages | |
| 21:19 | 3) Script will test all pages, and regressions will be found | |
| 21:19 | jzairo joined #koha | |
| 21:19 | caroline | CONS |
| 21:19 | 1) Harder to add images to the manual, only advanced editors will be able to add them | |
| 21:19 | 2) Joubu still has to work on it, he stopped because of the lack of comments | |
| 21:19 | 3) Some images might be hard to generate (50% easy, 30% medium, 20% maybe not attainable) | |
| 21:20 | Someone wrote on the wiki "Have been experimenting with Selenium+Robot Framework+Screencapture library - looks promising" I'm guessing that's Joubu | |
| 21:20 | davidnind | That's me - I have been experimenting with Selenium + Robot Framework + Screencapture library |
| 21:20 | caroline | ah ok! |
| 21:20 | davidnind | forgot to add my name |
| 21:21 | also ran out of time to add my notes and add repository | |
| 21:21 | cait | i am not sure i understand how to do it, but it might be easier than i think |
| 21:21 | caroline | So what is the workflow for your thing davidnind? |
| 21:21 | davidnind | it took me a while to find something useful and relatively easy |
| 21:22 | Basically, inc plain language you write a script, something like this: | |
| 21:22 | Valid Login | |
| 21:22 | Open Browser To Login Page | |
| 21:22 | Input Username koha | |
| 21:22 | Input Password koha | |
| 21:22 | Capture and crop page screenshot images/login_page.png | |
| 21:22 | ... css=#login | |
| 21:22 | Submit Credentials | |
| 21:22 | Projects Page Should Be Open | |
| 21:22 | [Teardown] Close Browser | |
| 21:23 | cait | interesting! |
| 21:23 | caroline | It looks simple enough |
| 21:23 | davidnind | You then run a command from the command line and it folows the steps - can be against any Koha installation (I used the docker testing) |
| 21:23 | You can take screenshots of parts of pages based on css classes | |
| 21:24 | caroline | It's very similar to what Joubu showed me. He was working with https://docs.cucumber.io/gherkin/reference/ |
| 21:24 | davidnind | You can also add data to fields and capture that before it presses submit |
| 21:24 | caroline | davidnind: did you think it was very long to write up everything? |
| 21:24 | davidnind | Will have a look at that - I think I did come across cucumber, but thought it was a bit complicated - will check it again |
| 21:25 | I ran out of time before this meeting, but will add wiki page and repository | |
| 21:25 | caroline | thank you |
| 21:25 | davidnind | It may not cover all screenshots, but maybe most (I hope) |
| 21:26 | Would take a bit of time to setup existing screenshots, but would make it much easy in the future | |
| 21:26 | caroline | Personnaly, I think this would be very interesting, especially to have up-to-date screenshots and also screenshots in all languages |
| 21:26 | * rangi | is just heading out |
| 21:26 | rangi | but davidnind http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d2ec41e3a37b78c0b |
| 21:26 | we used to have instructions | |
| 21:26 | this commit killed them | |
| 21:27 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7fcddd9ff75d41f53 | |
| 21:27 | would be good to get them back :) | |
| 21:27 | davidnind | Will have a look, thanks rangi! |
| 21:28 | For languages you could change the Koha install language and then run 'test' | |
| 21:28 | I'm sure there will be some problems... | |
| 21:29 | Anyway will write up and share, and see if it is viable | |
| 21:29 | cait | oh oops |
| 21:29 | about the docs | |
| 21:29 | caroline | I think it's still worth a try |
| 21:30 | cait | can we add bringing back the readme page? |
| 21:30 | davidnind | Looked at a lot of other options, but all seemed to require some sort of programming skills |
| 21:30 | caroline | cait what do you mean is there no readme anymore? |
| 21:31 | davidnind | the current readme is very brief! |
| 21:31 | cait | because rangi just said it got killed |
| 21:31 | caroline | I'll add it to taiga |
| 21:31 | #action caroline will add bring back the readme page as a task on taiga | |
| 21:31 | cait | yeah it's gone: https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual |
| 21:31 | it used to be instructions | |
| 21:32 | with how to do sphinx, generate locally etc | |
| 21:32 | caroline | #action davidnind will write up his notes on Selenium+Robot Framework+Screencapture library and share them with the group |
| 21:32 | davidnind | the instructions look exactly like what I ended up doing! |
| 21:33 | cait | sorry we lost them |
| 21:33 | davidnind | the spelling check is useful as well - have to remember to write US english! |
| 21:33 | caroline | hehe! |
| 21:34 | davidnind | things happen! |
| 21:34 | caroline | ready for the next topic? |
| 21:34 | davidnind | yep! |
| 21:35 | caroline | #topic Organization of images in images.rst |
| 21:35 | Topic for #koha is now Organization of images in images.rst (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 2 October 2018) | |
| 21:35 | davidnind | been a bit slack on sending to the list... |
| 21:35 | cait | you do so many things |
| 21:35 | davidnind | not really! |
| 21:36 | I procrastinate a lot! | |
| 21:36 | leaning towards the option of organising the index of images using categories by module | |
| 21:36 | caroline | +1 |
| 21:36 | davidnind | e.g. cat-0001, circ-0001 |
| 21:37 | and leaving the source images as they are | |
| 21:37 | that way you can hopefully check if there is an image first in that category instead of creating another one | |
| 21:37 | cait | so not chaging file names/locations, just the numbering? |
| 21:37 | ok for me | |
| 21:37 | caroline | I was thinking 3 capital letters + 3 numbers |
| 21:37 | davidnind | there are about 1473 images at the moment |
| 21:38 | caroline | phew! |
| 21:38 | davidnind | will post to docs list this evening (for me) |
| 21:39 | cait | davidnind++ |
| 21:39 | caroline | ok so we'll discuss this via email and hopefully agree on a method (I hate hate hate merge conflicts because of images!) |
| 21:39 | davidnind | as an aside I used the pngcrush tool and it turned images from about 82.3 MB down to 54.6 MB, about a 1/3rd reduction in size |
| 21:39 | :) | |
| 21:39 | caroline | davidnind++ |
| 21:40 | davidnind | caroline++ fixing all the docbugs! |
| 21:41 | caroline | #action davidnind will write a proposition to organize images to the docs mailing list and we will discuss by email |
| 21:41 | #topic Description of development process | |
| 21:41 | Topic for #koha is now Description of development process (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 2 October 2018) | |
| 21:41 | caroline | It was mentioned on IRC that the development process/version maintenance was not documented. Someone was specifically asking why version 17.11.09 came out after version 18.05.03, which is a reasonable question, I think. |
| 21:41 | I was wondering if we wanted to document the outline of the development process, or is that too technical? | |
| 21:42 | There is also the question of placement. Would that be in the introduction? in the FAQ? | |
| 21:42 | I noticed there was a brief outline on the community website | |
| 21:42 | cait | hm there is information on the wiki |
| 21:42 | caroline | https://koha-community.org/abo[…]release-schedule/ |
| 21:42 | cait | but we might want to have osmething more |
| 21:42 | maybe a non-technical descriptoin with links to wiki for more? | |
| 21:43 | davidnind | Perhaps in an appendix on the development process, with a section in the about section about numbering and the release cycle? |
| 21:43 | loved the development process talk cait - was a great overview all in one place | |
| 21:44 | caroline | cait++ both presentations were great! |
| 21:45 | The wiki is so big... trying to find the info in https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]egory:Development | |
| 21:46 | This ? https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]lease_maintenance | |
| 21:46 | cait | i think all technical |
| 21:46 | but the second shoudl be current at least | |
| 21:46 | caroline | Yes very. |
| 21:47 | cait | we probably need something new |
| 21:48 | caroline | Ok, so do we agree to write something very non-technical for end users to understand the development process/cycle? |
| 21:48 | cait | +1 |
| 21:48 | davidnind | makes sense to me! |
| 21:48 | caroline | #agreed write something very non-technical for end users to understand the development process/cycle |
| 21:48 | appendix? faq? | |
| 21:49 | cait | faq still needs a major clean up |
| 21:49 | maybe a new section? | |
| 21:49 | caroline | or in the "about"? |
| 21:49 | davidnind | I think as an appendix, but having a brief intro in about Koha section |
| 21:50 | caroline | ok so appendix/new section |
| 21:50 | #agreed the development process/cycle will be in an appendix | |
| 21:51 | #action caroline will add the development process section to taiga (just to remember to do it) | |
| 21:51 | #topic Set time of next meeting | |
| 21:51 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 2 October 2018) | |
| 21:52 | caroline | Do we want to change the time? |
| 21:52 | davidnind | happy for it to be earlier if it suits you all better (https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/) |
| 21:53 | caroline | earlier? I though it was like 7am in NZ |
| 21:53 | cait | 11pm here os not against earlier |
| 21:53 | davidnind | nearly 11am (daylight savings time) |
| 21:53 | caroline | omg ok, so how about 8 for you? |
| 21:53 | cait | we are moving in a few weeks... so might be even later then |
| 21:54 | davidnind | what time is it for LeeJ |
| 21:54 | caroline | Same as me I think. Right now it's almost 6 pm |
| 21:55 | UTC 19? | |
| 21:55 | cait | what is now? |
| 21:55 | davidnind | nearly UTC 22:00 |
| 21:55 | caroline | today's meeting was at UTC 21 |
| 21:56 | so it would be 2 hours earlier | |
| 21:57 | https://www.timeanddate.com/wo[…]=165&p2=22&p3=195 | |
| 21:57 | cait | 19 sounds good |
| 21:57 | caroline | Is Nov 6 ok? |
| 21:57 | cait | yes |
| 21:57 | davidnind | is fine with me |
| 21:58 | * caroline | mutters don't mess it up... dont mess it up |
| 21:58 | caroline | #info Next meeting: 6 November 2018, 19 UTC |
| 21:58 | cait | heh |
| 21:58 | caroline | #endmeeting |
| 21:58 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
| 21:58 | huginn | Meeting ended Tue Oct 2 21:58:46 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 21:58 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-10-02-21.07.html | |
| 21:58 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]8-10-02-21.07.txt | |
| 21:58 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]02-21.07.log.html | |
| 21:58 | cait | thx caroline :) thx all! |
| 21:58 | davidnind | caroline++ |
| 21:58 | cait | caroline++ |
| 21:59 | caroline | thank you! :D |
| 21:59 | davidnind | thanks for chairing caroline! |
| 21:59 | cait | back to netflix and knit for me :) |
| 21:59 | caroline | +1! |
| 21:59 | davidnind | right, better get back to the job that pays me! |
| 22:00 | caroline | Rushing to see my kitties at the spca! |
| 22:00 | cait | :) |
| 22:01 | davidnind | have fun everyone! :) |
| 22:03 | caroline | bye!! |
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