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| 00:33 | tcohen | hola |
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| 03:33 | paxed | @wunder joensuu |
| 03:33 | huginn` | paxed: Joensuu, Finland :: Clear :: 46F/8C | Wind Chill: 43F/6C | Wednesday: Sunny skies this morning will become overcast during the afternoon. High 62F. Winds WNW at 5 to 10 mph. Wednesday Night: Rain. Low 48F. Winds S at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 100%. Rainfall near a quarter of an inch. |
| 03:34 | paxed | it sure felt much colder |
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| 06:10 | calire | morning #koha |
| 06:13 | josef_moravec | hi calire |
| 06:14 | calire | hi josef_moravec |
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| 07:04 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:04 | wahanui | privet, alex_a |
| 07:05 | andreashm | salut alex_a |
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| 07:07 | calire | hi alex_a, andreashm |
| 07:07 | andreashm | hi calire |
| 07:14 | alex_a | hello calire |
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| 07:20 | andreashm | hi cait |
| 07:24 | cait | morning andreashm |
| 07:24 | andreashm | back at work? |
| 07:28 | cait | yep, second week already |
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| 07:28 | cait | morning paul_p |
| 07:29 | paul_p | hello cait ! |
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| 07:34 | andreashm | hey paul |
| 07:34 | (paul_p) | |
| 07:34 | paul_p | 'morning andreashm |
| 07:37 | * calire | waves |
| 08:40 | rangi | evening |
| 08:41 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]/Kohacon18/Social 2 ideas for sunday now | |
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| 08:55 | * magnuse | waves to all the cool people |
| 08:56 | magnuse | kia ora rangi |
| 08:57 | rangi | heya magnuse |
| 08:57 | eythian_ | hi |
| 08:57 | rangi | hey eythian_ |
| 09:09 | * andreashm | waves too |
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| 09:42 | rangi | eythian: http://www.cascadebrewingbarre[…]/index.php?p=beer |
| 09:42 | this looks dangerously good | |
| 09:46 | eythian | rangi: are you going there? |
| 09:48 | (it does look very good.) | |
| 09:49 | * kidclamp | waves |
| 09:49 | rangi | thats the plan |
| 09:50 | hi kidclamp | |
| 09:51 | calire | hi kidclamp |
| 09:51 | kidclamp | hi rangi and calire |
| 09:53 | rangi | eythian: that one and deschutes are the ones people have been telling me are must dos |
| 10:26 | eythian | nice. hm, a friend of mine was talking about organising a trip there some time, but I haven't heard anything since. |
| 10:27 | (mind you, he's more of a "many ideas, only some actually happen" sort of person.) | |
| 10:29 | cait | you could still join us :) |
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| 11:26 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 11:28 | kidclamp | @later tell matts <branchcode is="">DEFAULT</branchcode> does seem to work in shib |
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| 11:28 | huginn` | kidclamp: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:28 | cait | hi marcelr |
| 11:28 | kidclamp | hi matts |
| 11:28 | hi marcelr | |
| 11:28 | cait | kidclamp: update docs? :) |
| 11:28 | marcelr | hi cait kidclamp |
| 11:29 | cait | matts: around? |
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| 12:02 | matts | kidclamp, thanks for the feedback |
| 12:02 | cait, around indeed | |
| 12:03 | cait | matts: pm |
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| 12:08 | cait | paul_p_: pretty sure the American university in rome still has Koha |
| 12:09 | kidclamp | sebastian++ |
| 12:10 | cait | ? :) |
| 12:12 | alex_a | Question about coding guidelines: Wiki says Camel case for subs naming. But most of them in Koha namespace are snake case (more recent). Which one is good ? |
| 12:13 | I tried a mix Camel/snake but i got caught by Joubu | |
| 12:13 | :) | |
| 12:14 | calire | lol |
| 12:16 | magnuse | sip2-- |
| 12:17 | cait | heh |
| 12:17 | tonight is dev meeting if you want to put the quetion there | |
| 12:17 | but i think they do snake case for Koha... so probably would stick with that there | |
| 12:17 | and we shoudl fix the guideline? | |
| 12:19 | alex_a | we_should_fix_the_guideline |
| 12:19 | cait | heh |
| 12:20 | i have to say i like camels more than snakes | |
| 12:20 | alex_a: which rule where you referring to? | |
| 12:22 | Joubu: around too? | |
| 12:22 | alex_a | i'm writing subs in Koha namespace. So, snake case is more consistent |
| 12:22 | cait | alex_a: wanted to update the agenda for dev meeting to update the coding guideline |
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| 12:22 | cait | but not finding any camels |
| 12:23 | found it i think https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]aming_conventions | |
| 12:23 | alex_a | yep |
| 12:23 | it's that | |
| 12:24 | cait | next meetings? |
| 12:24 | next meeting? | |
| 12:24 | hm | |
| 12:24 | irc meeting? | |
| 12:24 | oh wahanui. | |
| 12:24 | alex_a | I' won't take part |
| 12:24 | cait | i will |
| 12:24 | :) | |
| 12:24 | alex_a | ok |
| 12:24 | cait | i think it's probably straightforward (i hope) |
| 12:25 | eythian | perl style tends to be snake for subs, camel for modules. |
| 12:27 | cait | updated: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ugust_2018#Agenda |
| 12:27 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:27 | cait | mornign tcohen |
| 12:28 | tcohen | we reject CamelCase anyway |
| 12:28 | what eythian said | |
| 12:29 | cait | tcohen: if we do, we shoudl back that up with our coding guidelines |
| 12:30 | tcohen | of course! |
| 13:00 | marcelr | will the camel survive the snake? ;) |
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| 13:12 | caroline_ | bonjour! |
| 13:42 | tcohen | hola marcelr caroline_ |
| 13:42 | marcelr | hi tcohen |
| 13:42 | and caroline_ | |
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| 14:49 | cait | really quiet day on bugzilla |
| 14:49 | hi caroline_ | |
| 14:49 | caroline_ | quiet on irc too |
| 14:49 | matches the weather here (gray and rainy) | |
| 14:50 | ashimema | ssshh |
| 14:50 | * caroline_ | whispers "sorry!" |
| 14:50 | ashimema | ;) |
| 14:55 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 14:55 | huginn` | cait: Konstanz, Germany :: Clear :: 89F/32C | Wind Chill: 89F/32C | Heat Index: 89F/32C | Wednesday: Partly cloudy. Lows overnight in the mid 60s. Wednesday Night: Some clouds. Low 64F. Winds light and variable. |
| 14:55 | cait | @eightball when will it rain? |
| 14:55 | huginn` | cait: It is possible. |
| 14:56 | cait | @eightball will it rain today? |
| 14:56 | huginn` | cait: I doubt it very much. |
| 14:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 19719: DBRev 18.06.00.019 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9489f0a2b7a94f6e1> | |
| 14:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 20487: DBRev 18.06.00.018 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8a6e859366416fd2c> | |
| 14:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 20631: Remove unused RemoveLostItem from C4::Accounts <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4383b10f68d939f34> | |
| 14:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 20248: (QA follow-up) Remove unnecessary stuff <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e5866e9bef25d134e> | |
| 14:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 21150: add the biblionumber to the output <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4b1c99e22e5339add> | |
| 14:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 15408: Fix tests to fail without patch <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4ec18597f01465522> | |
| 14:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 21182: Remove acqui/check_duplicate_barcode_ajax.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c15f6372a2d62f451> | |
| 14:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 21150: Search for item types inconsistencies <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a0c6ac98a2ab18f40> | |
| 14:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 20509: Add to script documentation <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9d82d5109cc47fd80> | |
| 14:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 21011: (follow-up) Fix pod, fix missing homebranch condition, change mode to... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]40b441df326e15f07> | |
| 14:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 20509: Search for not defined authority codes <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fc41611945aeff052> | |
| 14:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 21011: Search for items with not defined homebranch and/or holdingbranch <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]bbd388e8f8905db48> | |
| 14:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 20984: Add 300$f to display <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7a65b25f733e6ce7c> | |
| 14:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 17625: adding subfields f and g to XSLT display <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d22c523ea6d10d3cd> | |
| 14:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 19719: (follow-up) Add database update to keep collection column hidden <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]908b4e03ec6401c48> | |
| 14:58 | News from kohagit: Bug 20487: (QA follow-up) Requested db revision <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]808382371f1a6bae8> | |
| 14:58 | News from kohagit: Bug 19719: (follow-up) Show description instead of code <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]25aae34f433a709d6> | |
| 14:58 | News from kohagit: Bug 19719: Add new column for collection in the patron checkouts data tables <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]eae2084cfefa12b9d> | |
| 14:58 | News from kohagit: Bug 20248: Improve Elasticsearch mappings UI and rebuild_elastic_search.pl. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5261bce0e7baced61> | |
| 14:58 | News from kohagit: Bug 15408: Remove fund's timestamp when cloning a budget <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7646bff8dcc0b1c28> | |
| 15:29 | Guest1274 | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #544: SUCCESS in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/544/ |
| 15:55 | Project Koha_Master_U18 build #32: SUCCESS in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_U18/32/ | |
| 15:56 | caroline_ | I have a question about xslt |
| 15:57 | are the stylesheets supposed to add or remove punctuation to the marc data? | |
| 15:59 | let's say my 100 has no period (.) at the end, the xslt adds a period. | |
| 15:59 | if my 100 already has a period, it adds a second period | |
| 16:00 | But if my 264$c has a period, the xslt removes it | |
| 16:02 | aacr2 was pretty much erased from my mind the second I graduated 10yrs ago so I'm not sure when there's supposed to be a period and when there's not supposed to be... | |
| 16:03 | cait | i think usually we remove it and it should not add one |
| 16:03 | because it can't assume you haven't catalouged correctly... sounds like it might be a bug | |
| 16:05 | caroline_ | so if it can't assume you haven't catalogued correctly (double negative = addled brain), it should never add or remove punctuation and just leave it as the cataloguer entered it |
| 16:05 | cait | i think we remove sometimes, because a dot looks strange or we are not displaying all subfields... or i am no sure |
| 16:06 | actually germany doesn't do isbd punctuation with marc... so i am in a different hell | |
| 16:06 | we need to readd it in lots of places for things to look right | |
| 16:06 | sorry, have to run! bye all | |
| 16:06 | cait left #koha | |
| 16:14 | caroline_ | So if not everybody uses ISBD, shouldn't the xslt look in the leader in order to check if you used punctuation or not? |
| 16:16 | I'll ask the mailing list, maybe I'll get more opinions | |
| 16:19 | Veronica joined #koha | |
| 16:19 | Veronica | Help please, how to do to receive reservation alerts in my mail, Thanks |
| 16:19 | Help please, how to do to receive reservation alerts in my mail, Thanks | |
| 16:19 | Help please, how to do to receive reservation alerts in my mail, Thanks | |
| 16:22 | caroline_ | Does the user have the "hold filled" email preference checked in their record? https://snag.gy/RKph4n.jpg |
| 16:26 | Veronica | I think so, I can not see the capture |
| 16:26 | broken link of the img please can you send me again | |
| 16:27 | caroline_ | In the patron record, under Patron messaging preferences, do you see "Hold filled" in the table? |
| 16:28 | Veronica | yes+ |
| 16:29 | caroline_ | The email column is checked? |
| 16:29 | Do you receive other types of emails, like advanced notices, etc.? | |
| 16:32 | Veronica | can not find an online manual on the subject, that can be provided to me please |
| 16:33 | caroline_ | Make sure you have a "HOLD" notice in Tools > Notices & Slips https://koha-community.org/man[…]tml#notices-slips |
| 16:34 | Make sure you have EnhancedMessagingPreferences enabled https://koha-community.org/man[…]sagingpreferences | |
| 16:34 | Make sure you check "email" in the patron's messaging table https://koha-community.org/man[…]#add-a-new-patron | |
| 16:35 | Make sure you have an email in KohaAdminEmailAddress https://koha-community.org/man[…]adminemailaddress | |
| 16:36 | that's all I can think about regarding reservation emails | |
| 16:37 | Veronica | Thank you very much, I will begin to perform your steps |
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| 18:18 | tcohen | hi |
| 18:18 | wahanui | what's up, tcohen |
| 18:28 | * cait | waves |
| 18:33 | Guest1274 | Project Koha_Master_D8 build #33: ABORTED in 3 hr 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_Master_D8/33/ |
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| 18:51 | * cait | waves at bshum |
| 18:51 | * bshum | waves back at cait |
| 18:51 | cait | :) |
| 18:55 | bshum | I was admiring the new login process for the Koha translations server |
| 18:55 | cait | new pootle version i think? |
| 18:55 | bshum | (or really just getting signed up to get behind the wall and check some of what you all are up to these days) |
| 18:55 | cait | :) |
| 18:56 | what do you want to know? :) | |
| 18:56 | bshum | We're considering Pootle setup (or some other i18n solution) on the other side |
| 18:56 | cait | did you see KohaCon is in Portland soon? |
| 18:56 | bshum | Just checking things for my own curiosity :) |
| 18:56 | cait | my second visit to the US :) |
| 18:56 | the new Pootle is nice | |
| 18:56 | search is finally working really well | |
| 18:57 | and it can make autm | |
| 18:57 | bshum | Ah, exciting! |
| 18:57 | cait | automated suggestions - bgkriegel activated a free service, but i think there are paid options too |
| 18:57 | also alerts you in a better way about mistakes | |
| 18:58 | bshum | Always a good thing |
| 19:00 | Ah I didn't see it was in Portland. Too bad. Hope it's a good time. | |
| 19:01 | cait | koha people... can't go wrong :) |
| 19:01 | bshum | *two thumbs up* |
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| 19:15 | cait | @wunder portland |
| 19:15 | huginn` | cait: Portland, OR :: Clear :: 81F/27C | Wednesday: Partly cloudy. Areas of smoke and haze are possible, reducing visibility at times. High 91F. Winds W at 5 to 10 mph. Wednesday Night: Partly cloudy skies. Areas of smoke and haze are possible, reducing visibility at times. Low near 55F. Winds N at 10 to 15 mph. |
| 19:15 | cait | @wunder konstanz |
| 19:15 | huginn` | cait: Konstanz, Germany :: Mostly Cloudy :: 79F/26C | Wind Chill: 79F/26C | Wednesday: Partly cloudy. Lows overnight in the mid 60s. Wednesday Night: Some clouds. Low 64F. Winds light and variable. |
| 19:15 | ashimema | Meeting? |
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| 19:36 | cait | ashimema: in 25 |
| 19:51 | greenjimll | Evening all. |
| 19:52 | cait | hi greenjimll |
| 19:52 | saw your question abot the objects yesterday | |
| 19:53 | we name them according to the gui terminology | |
| 19:53 | greenjimll | Not so much a question, more an observation. I was writing the GDPR exporter code at the time. |
| 19:53 | cait | the database tables don't match, but it was more logical that way |
| 19:53 | greenjimll | I was flicking between database schema, and source files constantly. :-) |
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| 19:54 | * cait | waves at josef_moravec |
| 19:54 | greenjimll | Is that a document that shows what the methods are for all the objects? That would make things much easier for newbie programmers on Koha. |
| 19:55 | * josef_moravec | waves ti cait |
| 19:55 | josef_moravec | greenjimll: do you mean Koha::Object ? Or all code api? |
| 19:56 | greenjimll: there is https://perldoc.koha-community.org/ | |
| 19:57 | greenjimll | All the objects. I get that there's a load of inheritance going on, but (for example) working out what methods Koha::Patron exposes was a grep-a-thon in the source code. |
| 19:57 | cait | yeah the perldoc could help you there |
| 19:58 | josef_moravec | greenjimll, cait: I use code itself often ;) |
| 19:58 | greenjimll | Perldoc on Koha::Patron only describes the methods it implements itself, rather than all the ones it inherits (some of which are table column names from a table that isn't called "patron" ;-)) |
| 19:58 | kidclamp | meeting? |
| 19:58 | greenjimll | Yes! |
| 19:59 | cait | yes |
| 20:00 | kidclamp? :) | |
| 20:00 | kidclamp | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 22 August 2018 |
| 20:00 | huginn` | Meeting started Wed Aug 22 20:00:43 2018 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 20:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 20:00 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 22 August 2018) | |
| 20:00 | huginn` | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_22_august_2018' |
| 20:00 | kidclamp | #topic Introductions |
| 20:00 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 22 August 2018) | |
| 20:01 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe |
| 20:01 | kidclamp | #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions |
| 20:01 | greenjimll | #info Jon Knight, Loughborough University |
| 20:01 | kidclamp | #chair cait |
| 20:01 | huginn` | Current chairs: cait kidclamp |
| 20:01 | bag | #info Brendan gallagher Bywater |
| 20:01 | josef_moravec | #info Josef Moravec, Municipal Library Usti nad Orlici |
| 20:02 | kidclamp | I scared cait off |
| 20:02 | cait joined #koha | |
| 20:02 | cait | sorry |
| 20:02 | kidclamp | :-) |
| 20:02 | cait | did we info already? |
| 20:02 | kidclamp | waiting for you |
| 20:03 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 20:03 | Laptop froze... restarted | |
| 20:03 | thx for waiting | |
| 20:03 | kidclamp | #topic Announcements |
| 20:03 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 22 August 2018) | |
| 20:03 | kidclamp | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_and_staff_client SCSS for staff and OPAC |
| 20:04 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]all_the_variables Global XSS fix | |
| 20:04 | cait | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ng_22_August_2018 Agenda |
| 20:04 | kidclamp | Hey, we made some big changes! Exciting! SCSS now has a yarn build process that Owen highlighted |
| 20:04 | Joubu made all the filters for all the variables happen | |
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| 20:04 | cait | oleonard++ Joubu++ |
| 20:05 | kidclamp | please test master, we expect to shake out somedisplay issues with these and want to clear them before release |
| 20:05 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 20:05 | ashimema | Well done all involved in those |
| 20:05 | kidclamp | Owne and Joubu both took off after these were pushed, so volunteer them for any fixes :-) |
| 20:06 | anyone else? Bag? | |
| 20:06 | bag | nada |
| 20:06 | Joubu++ | |
| 20:07 | oleonard++ | |
| 20:07 | kidclamp | #topic Update from the Release manager (18.11) |
| 20:07 | Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release manager (18.11) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 22 August 2018) | |
| 20:07 | kidclamp | Hey, that's me :-D |
| 20:07 | cait | kidclamp++ too :) |
| 20:07 | kidclamp | Trying to get the queue caught up, still some bug things I would like to see more of (Mana, Stock rotation) bug me if you have anything you want :-) |
| 20:08 | That's all from me really, except to keep poking master for any bugs | |
| 20:09 | #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers | |
| 20:09 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 22 August 2018) | |
| 20:09 | kidclamp | ashimema: |
| 20:09 | cait | Rmaints? |
| 20:09 | RMaints? | |
| 20:09 | only Joubu can do the magic it seems :) | |
| 20:09 | ashimema | It's been a bumpy month with holiday, but we've been steadily pushing. I've delayed today's release by a week so we can do the three releases close to each other |
| 20:09 | Lining up annual leave, always fun 😉 | |
| 20:10 | That's it from me too really.. fridolin is out this week.. | |
| 20:10 | kidclamp | #info releases delayed for coordinated release, holidays |
| 20:10 | bag | I do have an announcement - sorry to be late with it… HACKFEST!!! kidclamp is running the show - please help him out and bring ideas for what to do |
| 20:11 | kidclamp | #topic Updates from the QA team |
| 20:11 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 22 August 2018) | |
| 20:11 | cait | do you want them before or just bringing them? |
| 20:11 | kidclamp | #info HACKFEST!!! kidclamp is running the show - please help him out and bring ideas for what to do |
| 20:11 | bag | just bring them cait |
| 20:11 | cait | started a list already :) |
| 20:11 | kidclamp | #info email kidclamp if you have things you want done or ideas |
| 20:11 | let me knwo too ;-) | |
| 20:11 | greenjimll | Is HACKFEST a physical or virtual thing? |
| 20:11 | * ashimema | will be attempting to join hackfest virtually 😉 |
| 20:12 | cait | both |
| 20:12 | bag | both for sure |
| 20:12 | kidclamp | Hackfest is a state of mind (and freedom to ignore everythign that isn't a bug) |
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| 20:12 | kidclamp | QA updates cait? |
| 20:12 | cait | @quote add Hackfest is a state of mind (and freedom to ignore everythign that isn't a bug) |
| 20:12 | huginn` | cait: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 20:12 | cait | ah yes |
| 20:12 | sorry, missed the topic change | |
| 20:13 | kidclamp | @quote add Hackfest is a state of mind (and freedom to ignore everything that isn't a bug) |
| 20:13 | huginn` | kidclamp: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 20:13 | kidclamp | I bet bag has super powers |
| 20:13 | cait | #info queue is in reasonable shape, can always be better, but bugs are being taken care of fast, enh a little slower |
| 20:13 | kidclamp | josef_moravec++ welcome back :-) |
| 20:13 | cait | I had added an idea on my proposal, that i'd like to try out |
| 20:13 | bag | @quote add Hackfest is a state of mind (and freedom to ignore everything that isn't a bug) |
| 20:13 | huginn` | bag: The operation succeeded. Quote #332 added. |
| 20:13 | cait | QA topic experts |
| 20:14 | ashimema | +1 |
| 20:14 | cait | people the qa team can call in for certain topics |
| 20:14 | kidclamp | +1 |
| 20:14 | josef_moravec | +1 |
| 20:14 | cait | an additonal code review might be done, but otherwise a sign-off would count as qa |
| 20:14 | matts volunteered (kind of) for CAS and Shibboleth | |
| 20:15 | ashimema | Hehe, well volunteered matts |
| 20:15 | kidclamp | matss++ |
| 20:15 | cait | #info QA team is looking for QA topic experts - sign off counting for qa, additional code review from qa team as needed, volunteers welcome - please also feel free to suggest people |
| 20:15 | matts++ | |
| 20:16 | i'd add them to the roles page for 18.05 as we find them, ok? | |
| 20:16 | um 18.11 | |
| 20:16 | kidclamp | +1 |
| 20:16 | * ashimema | will try to talk colin_c back into sip and edit topic expert roles |
| 20:16 | cait | sounds good |
| 20:16 | bag | I’d be willing to do SIP and LDAP things (I still have that set up from my RM days) |
| 20:16 | cait | we are also lookign for an ldap person |
| 20:16 | ashimema | Brill |
| 20:17 | cait | ... and if possible someone for linked data/rdf |
| 20:17 | ashimema | Awesome bag |
| 20:17 | cait | cool |
| 20:17 | bag++ | |
| 20:17 | josef_moravec | david cook for rdf? |
| 20:17 | cait | #action bag to volunteer as QA topic expert for LDAP and SIP |
| 20:17 | bag | I won’t put a passed QA on it - unless I volunteer to be on the team again - so I like the idea of just another sign-off |
| 20:17 | cait | josef_moravec: looking for someone to look at his patches :) |
| 20:17 | so yes... an dno | |
| 20:18 | josef_moravec | cait: I see ;) |
| 20:18 | ashimema | Yup.. what she said |
| 20:18 | cait | #info other topics: RDF, authentication |
| 20:19 | kidclamp | would you send soemthing to the lists cait?> |
| 20:19 | cait | i thnk with a second qa again, we should be good with a code review |
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| 20:19 | cait | hm i could, but not sure what exactly? |
| 20:19 | ashimema | Agreed |
| 20:19 | kidclamp | just to let people know and see if anyone jumps on other things |
| 20:20 | cait | hm second sign-off... good for qa with a code review |
| 20:20 | i better give up on writing too | |
| 20:20 | i'll try :) | |
| 20:20 | kidclamp | anything else? |
| 20:21 | cait | not from me right now |
| 20:21 | kidclamp | #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) |
| 20:21 | Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 22 August 2018) | |
| 20:21 | cait | tcohen? |
| 20:21 | kidclamp | #info [VOTE] REST API: public vs. private API. how do we handle |
| 20:22 | cait | i'll have to read that quickly |
| 20:22 | ... and then probably have someone explain | |
| 20:22 | kidclamp | ashimema: have you talked with tomas on this? |
| 20:23 | cait | i think the idea is different routes |
| 20:23 | kidclamp | I think the gist is - rather than rework the current API stuffs, just make it all private (authenticated) and add new routes for public info for where it is neee |
| 20:23 | exactly cait | |
| 20:23 | cait | like we have a libraries end point with all information and another for just getting a pull down of libraries that can be open, right? |
| 20:24 | well not a pull down... list of library names or so | |
| 20:24 | i like it | |
| 20:24 | but i was always the one worried about exposing this data - so of course i like it :) | |
| 20:24 | kidclamp | any questions/objections? |
| 20:25 | ashimema | Yeah, we've discussed it.. it's a perfectly sane approach and I'm game for it |
| 20:25 | greenjimll | As long as is well documented I don't have an issue. Will there be an API version number included too? |
| 20:25 | kidclamp | I think that can be done as detail work, for now is broad concept vote? |
| 20:25 | greenjimll | ok |
| 20:26 | cait | greenjimll: i think we already have a version number, currently still 1 as things are mostly unfinished |
| 20:26 | kidclamp | ok, lemme phrase something |
| 20:26 | cait | phrasing as a question... i hated that |
| 20:27 | ashimema | Semantic versioning in the API I believe.. don't think k we'veade any breaking changes yet |
| 20:27 | thd | Was anyone favouring everything in the API running without authentication? |
| 20:27 | kidclamp | #startvote Should we adapt current API as 'private' and build new '/public' namespace for simple information endpoints (as outlined in agenda)? Yes, No, Abstain |
| 20:27 | huginn` | Begin voting on: Should we adapt current API as 'private' and build new '/public' namespace for simple information endpoints (as outlined in agenda)? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. |
| 20:27 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 20:27 | kidclamp | #vote Yes |
| 20:28 | thd | #vote Yes |
| 20:28 | greenjimll | #vote Yes |
| 20:28 | cait | thd: the initial idea was to see data without where it made sense and then more when authenticated, but it's difficult with the way koha handles things like visibliity |
| 20:28 | #vote Yes | |
| 20:28 | josef_moravec | #vote Yes |
| 20:28 | ashimema | #vote yes |
| 20:28 | kidclamp | last call... |
| 20:29 | #endvote | |
| 20:29 | huginn` | Voted on "Should we adapt current API as 'private' and build new '/public' namespace for simple information endpoints (as outlined in agenda)?" Results are |
| 20:29 | Yes (6): greenjimll, cait, josef_moravec, ashimema, kidclamp, thd | |
| 20:29 | bag | #vote yes |
| 20:29 | kidclamp | so close |
| 20:29 | thd | cait: We need to the way Koha handles (visibility|word readability). |
| 20:29 | kidclamp | #info It's unanimous - do that thing |
| 20:29 | #action Tomas will do that thing | |
| 20:30 | cait | kidclamp: there is #agreed :) |
| 20:30 | ashimema | I thought tcohen was here.. |
| 20:30 | kidclamp | #agreed We want the current api to be private and add a public namespace for needed info endpoints |
| 20:30 | cait | @later tell matts got you a new job :) https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]i/Roles_for_18.11 |
| 20:30 | huginn` | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:30 | thd | kidclamp: I shall interpret "that thing" to be whatever I please unanimously :) |
| 20:30 | kidclamp | #topic Review of coding guidelines |
| 20:30 | Topic for #koha is now Review of coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 22 August 2018) | |
| 20:31 | cait | that was me again |
| 20:31 | alex_a brought it up today | |
| 20:31 | Perl 9 is still targetted at C4 | |
| 20:31 | but we have been pushing people to do snake case in the new Koha namespace | |
| 20:31 | so we should at least amen dit | |
| 20:31 | amend it | |
| 20:32 | kidclamp | +1 |
| 20:32 | cait | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]aming_conventions Coding guideline for soubroutine naming conventions |
| 20:32 | greenjimll | Heh, I always did snake case myself until at work one of my colleagues put camel case into the coding guidelines. It'll be fun to say, "no, Koha requires it". ;-) |
| 20:32 | cait | eythian suggested that perl leans towards snake case for subs and camel case for module names |
| 20:32 | which seems to make sense with how we do things now | |
| 20:33 | ashimema | Well spottef |
| 20:33 | thd | What happens when a subroutine is abstracted to become a module? |
| 20:33 | cait | i was about to say something about tumbleweed :) |
| 20:34 | thd: i don't think it works that way? | |
| 20:34 | ashimema | Yup |
| 20:34 | What eythian said is what I've seen too | |
| 20:34 | cait | we could divide the rule up, sec |
| 20:34 | kidclamp | Do you have wording proposal, or just vote on the idea and get it worded after? |
| 20:34 | thd | cait: Yes, I know because there is subsidiarity in the namespace for the module. |
| 20:36 | cait | please refresh wiki |
| 20:36 | refining i'd leave up to a dev :) | |
| 20:36 | well... a more full time dev | |
| 20:37 | greenjimll | So when you say "snake case for subs and camel case for module names" do you mean camel case for module public methods and snake for internal functions? |
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| 20:37 | cait | for th ename of the package is what i understood |
| 20:37 | so it's PatronAttributes.pm | |
| 20:37 | i might be mistaken | |
| 20:38 | greenjimll | Perl 9 seems to be talking about methods though in camel case. |
| 20:38 | kidclamp | yes, that is what i understand |
| 20:38 | greenjimll | eg: AddBiblio |
| 20:38 | cait | yeah that's how things are in C4 |
| 20:38 | kidclamp | that is in the C4 deprecated section |
| 20:38 | cait | well... mostly |
| 20:38 | please feel free to change it up | |
| 20:39 | greenjimll | Ah, I misunderstood. I thought you wanted to do what was in Perl 9 everywhere outside C4 as well. |
| 20:39 | kidclamp | when we rewrite Koha in C# we will remove all inconsistencies :-) |
| 20:39 | cait | hah |
| 20:39 | maybe we should use something more esoteric | |
| 20:39 | greenjimll | Don't joke... that's a frightening idea. |
| 20:39 | kidclamp | ready to vote? |
| 20:39 | cait | whitespace |
| 20:40 | kidclamp | or can we just accept it :-) |
| 20:40 | greenjimll | Er, what is it we're voting on... I'm still a bit unclear? |
| 20:40 | kidclamp | the amendment to the rule (that already happened) |
| 20:40 | cait | greenjimll: did you see the slightyl changed wiki page? |
| 20:40 | kidclamp: can always be undone, it's a wiki :) | |
| 20:40 | greenjimll | I'm looking at https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_Guidelines#PERL9 which was in the agenda |
| 20:41 | cait | try refreshß |
| 20:41 | ? | |
| 20:41 | C4 namespace [outdated] and everything above is new | |
| 20:41 | kidclamp | #vote Should we adapt the PERL9 guideline to state us of snake_case for subroutines in the Koha namespace and the use of CamelCase for modules? Yes, No, Abstain |
| 20:41 | #vote Yes | |
| 20:41 | josef_moravec | #vote Yes |
| 20:41 | cait | #vote yes |
| 20:41 | #vote Yes | |
| 20:41 | greenjimll | #vote Abstain |
| 20:41 | thd | s/shoudl/should/ |
| 20:41 | ashimema | #vote yes |
| 20:42 | thd | #vote Yes |
| 20:42 | kidclamp | last call |
| 20:42 | #endvote | |
| 20:42 | #nedvote | |
| 20:42 | #endvote | |
| 20:43 | #startvote Should we adapt the PERL9 guideline to state us of snake_case for subroutines in the Koha namespace and the use of CamelCase for modules? Yes, No, Abstain | |
| 20:43 | huginn` | Begin voting on: Should we adapt the PERL9 guideline to state us of snake_case for subroutines in the Koha namespace and the use of CamelCase for modules? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. |
| 20:43 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 20:43 | kidclamp | #vote Yes |
| 20:43 | heh, i knew something was wrong :-) | |
| 20:43 | josef_moravec | #vote Yes |
| 20:43 | ashimema | #vote yes |
| 20:43 | cait | #vote Yes |
| 20:43 | kidclamp | last call |
| 20:44 | #endvote | |
| 20:44 | huginn` | Voted on "Should we adapt the PERL9 guideline to state us of snake_case for subroutines in the Koha namespace and the use of CamelCase for modules?" Results are |
| 20:44 | Yes (4): kidclamp, cait, josef_moravec, ashimema | |
| 20:44 | sophie_m left #koha | |
| 20:44 | kidclamp | #agreed PERL9 will (has been) be updated to reflect Koha namespace capitlization guidelines |
| 20:44 | #topic Set time of next meeting | |
| 20:44 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 22 August 2018) | |
| 20:44 | greenjimll | OK, so just to be clear, the "verb and noun" requirement that was in C4 for subroutine names has been ditched as well now? |
| 20:45 | cait | i'd say so |
| 20:45 | kidclamp | wait until after Kohacon? |
| 20:45 | if the devs don't talk to each other there something has gone horribly wrong | |
| 20:46 | Sepetember 19th, 14UTC? | |
| 20:46 | josef_moravec | ok for me |
| 20:47 | thd | +1 |
| 20:47 | greenjimll | +1 |
| 20:47 | thd | Wait is that not 2 days after KohaCon? |
| 20:48 | bag | KohaCon is 10th~12th |
| 20:48 | kidclamp | it is, i think most will be home by then, or we can at least record what all we did :-) |
| 20:48 | cait | i won't make that one |
| 20:49 | but i trust you to make good decisions heh | |
| 20:49 | bag | :) |
| 20:49 | kidclamp | #info Next meeting: 19 September 2018, 14 UTC |
| 20:49 | #endmeeting | |
| 20:49 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
| 20:49 | huginn` | Meeting ended Wed Aug 22 20:49:20 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 20:49 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-08-22-20.00.html | |
| 20:49 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]8-08-22-20.00.txt | |
| 20:49 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]22-20.00.log.html | |
| 20:49 | kidclamp | thanks all! |
| 20:49 | greenjimll | Bye! |
| 20:49 | * kidclamp | runs off to run |
| 20:49 | kidclamp | whoosh |
| 20:50 | josef_moravec | kidclamp++ |
| 20:50 | cait++ | |
| 20:50 | cait | kidclamp++ |
| 20:50 | josef_moravec | thanks to all |
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| 21:04 | Veronic | What is the difference between a pending reservation and reserved waiting in koha, thanks |
| 21:05 | cait | Veronic: hm where did you see that? |
| 21:05 | waiting means that the item is waiting on the shelf for pick-up by the person ho requested it | |
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| 21:07 | cait | pending usually means that the patron placed a hold, but it's not there yet |
| 21:08 | either no item has been checked in to fill the ohld yes or no available item has been send to fill the hold from another branch or picked form the shelf (depends on the circ rules what is possible) | |
| 21:11 | SuccubusInTraining joined #koha | |
| 21:11 | Veronic | Thank you |
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| 21:18 | SuccubusInTraining joined #koha | |
| 21:21 | SuccubusInTraining joined #koha | |
| 21:52 | caroline_ | good night #koha! |
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| 22:29 | tcohen | @later tell LeeJ #endmeeting |
| 22:29 | huginn` | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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