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| 00:59 | aleisha joined #koha | |
| 02:07 | mtj | hey #koha, do people think it might be a good idea to start to require a mandatory itemtype for an item? |
| 02:08 | ..ive spotted a few edgecase bugs for circ and reserves, that assume an item if have an itemtype defined | |
| 02:13 | how do people feel about this 🔥🔥topic? | |
| 02:20 | looks like items.itype can be set to mandatory via the fwrks, so thats a fix of sorts | |
| 02:24 | (i confirm its non-mandatory by default) | |
| 03:22 | Joubu | mtj: bug 21150 |
| 03:22 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21150 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Data inconsistencies - item types |
| 03:23 | Joubu | and thread "Expected behaviour if itemtype does not exist" on koha-devel (July 2017) |
| 03:23 | bye | |
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| 06:37 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:30 | fridolin | iji there |
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| 07:41 | * andreashm | waves |
| 07:43 | andreashm | hi fridolin |
| 07:45 | fridolin | hi |
| 07:46 | ashimema | hello |
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| 08:00 | andreashm | we are preparing to upgrade to 17.11 next week. |
| 08:01 | we have been testing 17.11.01 during the end of spring. wondering if the best thing would be to upgrade to .01 or go for the latest release (.08?) instead. | |
| 08:01 | any big differences we should consider? | |
| 08:02 | (fridolin and other who might know?) | |
| 08:02 | ashimema | personally I think you should choose you're feature branch (i.e 17.05.x, 17.11.x or 18.05.x) based on the features you need/want and then try to keep up with the bugfix releases upon it.. i.e the .01 etc bits. |
| 08:03 | fridolin | andreashm: yop, no big diff between 17.11.01 and 17.11.08 but some critical fixes |
| 08:03 | I advice you to use the lasted stable release | |
| 08:03 | ashimema | important securit andbugfix patches go into those releases.. but as release maintainers we're careful to not backport features.. we work on 'least surprise' principals.. a point release shouldn't surprise you |
| 08:04 | fridolin | we at biblibre use the 17.11.06 its quite stable |
| 08:04 | ashimema | it should just fix stuff that's broken |
| 08:04 | fridolin | and also translations are better an better ;) |
| 08:04 | andreashm | alright, we'll look extra at that one! |
| 08:04 | ashimema | :) |
| 08:04 | andreashm | thanks ashimema, fridolin! |
| 08:04 | fridolin | andreashm: but why not jump to 18.05.x ? its nice and you may use ElasticSearch |
| 08:05 | ashimema | no problem.. you happened to have probably the two best people at present to answer that question lurking here right now ;) |
| 08:05 | andreashm | ashimema: we've decided for 17.11. Just wanted to make sure we go for a stable bugfix release. =) |
| 08:05 | * ashimema | would actually recommend sticking to 17.11 unless there's something specific you want in 18.05 |
| 08:05 | andreashm | fridolin: we want to test properly first. we've done that with 17.11. if we go for 18.05 we have to start over. |
| 08:05 | ashimema | I think although 18.05.x is a nice release, it's still got a bit of settling down to do.. |
| 08:06 | andreashm | (we have some heavy use of api:s, that change a lot between releases etc) |
| 08:06 | ashimema | gut feeling from how many bugfixes I'm still pushing ;) |
| 08:06 | andreashm | hehe |
| 08:07 | fridolin | okiii, we jump only from xx.11 to yy.11 so we also will wait for 18.11.x |
| 08:07 | andreashm | we have 16.05 now. So still a big jump to 17.11 |
| 08:08 | fridolin | andreashm: ah we have also some own api code, we work on test suite to be more efficient on testing compatiblity with Koha code |
| 08:08 | * ashimema | wishes his customer base wasn't so spread out.. we have customers on a realyl wide range of releases at the moment. |
| 08:09 | fridolin | andreashm: oki, so in conclusion my personal advice is to jump to 17.11.06 |
| 08:09 | andreashm | fridolin: that sounds interesting. we have discussed creating a similar test suite to be able to create a better/quicker upgrade process. |
| 08:09 | fridolin | our next setp is 17.11.10 in octobre |
| 08:09 | andreashm | fridolin: thanks a lot! |
| 08:09 | fridolin | you welcome ;) |
| 08:10 | andreashm | ashimema: yeah, I guess that's a problem when customers can decide for themselves when to upgrade? =) |
| 08:10 | fridolin | release maintainer is also community maintainer :D |
| 08:11 | andreashm | fridolin: the perfect combo |
| 08:11 | fridolin | ^^ |
| 08:15 | ashimema | I think at this point it's just that we have never managed to get on top of upgrades.. sales always want to install at the very latest and greatest.. some customers want to upgrade, others do not.. but the really big issue is how hard our upgrades are.. most customers have a ton of customisation or pre-release enhancements bolted on.. which makes each upgrade a non-trivial task :( |
| 08:16 | we'll get there in the end I'm sure.. and at present it's us that feels the pain rather than customers really.. they get upgrades pretty frequently really.. just a bit of a spread to support | |
| 08:16 | * ashimema | hopes he can push for a hold on 18.05.x whilst he's community maintainer.. get our entire customer base onto it over the next year or so. |
| 08:17 | andreashm | ashimema: I sympathize. We have the exact same issue (lots of local patches) that makes upgrading difficult. |
| 08:18 | ashimema | indeed |
| 08:18 | always fun | |
| 08:18 | a library I've heard of andreashm? | |
| 08:19 | andreashm | ashimema: ours? I would hope so. Stockholm Univ Library |
| 08:20 | * calire | waves |
| 08:20 | * andreashm | waves back |
| 08:20 | ashimema | of course.. i thought you'r nick rang a bell ;) |
| 08:20 | calire | :) |
| 08:22 | andreashm | ashimema: =9 |
| 08:22 | =) I meant. | |
| 08:22 | ashimema | hehe |
| 08:22 | tuxayo | ashimema[m] «most customers have a ton of customisation or pre-release enhancements bolted on» |
| 08:22 | I guess automating part of the process is very difficult for also right? | |
| 08:22 | ashimema | no doubt we'll meet in 2019 kohacon |
| 08:22 | tuxayo | *for you alos |
| 08:23 | **also | |
| 08:23 | >< | |
| 08:23 | ashimema | some is automated, some is not ;) |
| 08:23 | I don't know the solution to be honest.. everyone here likes customisation to the hilt | |
| 08:25 | * ashimema | just looked at the number of upgrade in the queue and scared himself.. that's not my area anymore.. I managed to make the case for new staff for it a few years back and have never really looked back.. managing the dev team, doing development and getting back on top of my community roles is more than enough work for one person ;) |
| 08:27 | ashimema | 'tis nice being back in community though.. I've missed it the past couple of years. |
| 08:27 | tuxayo | <3 |
| 08:31 | andreashm | ashimema: yup! had hope to meet you at kohacon this year, but saw that you weren't attending. but next year for sure! |
| 08:31 | ashimema | too many family commitments this year unfortunately.. can't make them all I suppose.. I did a fair few early on but it's been more sporadic of late |
| 08:32 | * calire | is looking forward to kohacon |
| 08:32 | * andreashm | too |
| 08:38 | ashimema | having looked at the schedule, this one does look a particularly good and interesting one. |
| 08:40 | * andreashm | is looking forward to meeting a lot of people from the community in person. |
| 08:46 | * calire | too |
| 08:46 | calire | well I've met some :) but more |
| 08:47 | andreashm | calire: same here =) |
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| 09:29 | * magnuse | wishes he could go to kohacon18, but will ne in marseille and has high hopes for kohacon19 in sweden |
| 09:29 | magnuse | (if marseille will have us again) |
| 09:30 | * ashimema | wonders when marseille is next.. |
| 09:30 | hopes to attend that | |
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| 10:28 | tcohen | @later tell Joubu https://old.diglib.org/archite[…]Discovery_1.0.pdf |
| 10:28 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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| 11:42 | oleonard-away | Hello |
| 11:42 | andreashm | hi oleonard |
| 11:43 | calire | hi oleonard |
| 11:43 | wahanui? | |
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| 11:44 | eythian | hi oleopard |
| 11:44 | calire | nice save eythian |
| 11:45 | eythian | they'll remember my support when the robots take over the world. |
| 11:45 | calire | :) |
| 11:50 | eythian | huginn: I expect you to pass this along |
| 11:50 | huginn | eythian: I suck |
| 11:50 | eythian | damnit |
| 11:52 | calire | poor huginn |
| 11:56 | oleonard | calire: His self-deprecating demeanor is a ruse to lull us into complacency. |
| 12:02 | * calire | fell for it |
| 12:04 | * oleonard | is so complacent right now |
| 12:05 | * calire | is the most complacent |
| 12:05 | hopes the robots are taking note | |
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| 13:23 | oleonard | Joubu: Bug 21150 doesn't apply for me. I did apply the dependency first. |
| 13:23 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21150 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Data inconsistencies - item types |
| 13:25 | Joubu | oleonard: one dep was wrong, it should be ok now |
| 13:25 | oleonard | Thanks |
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| 13:30 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 13:30 | hi oleonard | |
| 13:30 | eythian | @wunder amsterdam |
| 13:30 | huginn | eythian: Amsterdam, Netherlands :: Clear :: 91F/33C | Heat Index: 90F/32C | Tuesday: Sunny. Very hot. High 94F. Winds SW at 5 to 10 mph. Tuesday Night: Partial cloudiness early, with scattered showers and thunderstorms overnight. Low 68F. Winds S at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60%. |
| 13:30 | eythian | D: |
| 13:30 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 13:30 | huginn | oleonard: Athens, OH :: Scattered Clouds :: 74F/23C | Tuesday: Partly cloudy with afternoon showers or thunderstorms. Storms may contain strong gusty winds. High 87F. Winds WSW at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50%. Tuesday Night: Scattered thunderstorms early, then mainly cloudy overnight with thunderstorms likely. Low 69F. Winds light and variable. Chance of rain 80%. |
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| 13:47 | ashimema | @wunder, Stevenage, United Kingdom |
| 13:47 | huginn | ashimema: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
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| 13:50 | magnuse | @wunder bodo, norway |
| 13:50 | huginn | magnuse: Bodo, Norway :: Partly Cloudy :: 61F/16C | Tuesday: Partly cloudy. High 62F. Winds N at 5 to 10 mph. Tuesday Night: Partly cloudy skies. Low near 55F. Winds E at 10 to 15 mph. |
| 13:50 | * magnuse | is pretty happy with that |
| 13:51 | ashimema | @wunder Stevenage, United Kingdom |
| 13:51 | huginn | ashimema: Stevenage, United Kingdom :: Clear :: 86F/30C | Heat Index: 84F/29C | Tuesday: Partly cloudy. Very hot. High 89F. Winds WSW at 10 to 15 mph. Tuesday Night: Rain showers this evening with clearing overnight. Low 58F. Winds W at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 40%. |
| 13:53 | * magnuse | wanders off to put the redfish in the oven |
| 13:54 | oleonard | Amsterdam and Stevenage get specific: Very hot. Athens and Bodo don't really know *how* hot it is. |
| 13:54 | Joubu | @wunder Buenos Aires, Argentina |
| 13:54 | huginn | Joubu: Buenos Aires, Argentina :: Clear :: 55F/13C | Tuesday: Partly cloudy. High 64F. Winds NNE at 10 to 15 mph. Tuesday Night: Rain. Low near 50F. Winds NW at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 100%. Rainfall near a quarter of an inch. |
| 13:58 | Joubu | query ashimema Hi Martin, do you think you will have time to have a look at bug 20443? |
| 13:58 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20443 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Move C4::Members::Attributes to Koha namespace |
| 14:02 | ashimema | Er.. I think I've already started looking but got pulled away.. I'll get back to it for a couple of hours this afternoon.. it's a biggy 😀 |
| 14:03 | tcohen | @wunder Cordoba, Argentina |
| 14:03 | huginn | tcohen: Cordoba, Argentina :: Scattered Clouds :: 60F/16C | Tuesday: Becoming windy with showers likely this afternoon. High 78F. NNE winds shifting to SSE at 20 to 30 mph. Chance of rain 40%. Tuesday Night: Cloudy early, becoming mostly clear after midnight. Low 42F. Winds SSW at 15 to 25 mph. |
| 14:04 | Joubu | heh / was missing |
| 14:04 | Also smileys were missing in my answer to the i-card thread... | |
| 14:04 | * Joubu | is missing everything today |
| 14:05 | Joubu | s/ today// |
| 14:05 | * ashimema | thinks his brain is melting again.. it's at leat 10℃ above that in my office.. |
| 14:05 | ashimema | lol |
| 14:07 | eythian | ashimema: yeah, it's 29° in my apartment at the moment. Debating taking a book to a park or a pub or canalside or something after work. |
| 14:09 | ashimema | it's just hit 44.5℃ in my office ;) |
| 14:09 | 32℃ outside if my thermometers are to be believed | |
| 14:09 | I can only sit in my office for a matter of minutes in front of the fans at the moment before I have to retreat to cooler rooms ;) | |
| 14:09 | eythian | yeah, that's a bit much. |
| 14:10 | * ashimema | is heading to holland in a few weeks time.. not near amsterdam though |
| 14:10 | eythian | ah, wat jammer |
| 14:11 | wait, all of holland is near amsterdam | |
| 14:11 | have you seen how small this country is? | |
| 14:12 | ashimema | haha.. very true |
| 14:12 | about 2h30 away from you then.. but with family in toe ;) | |
| 14:13 | Maastricht | |
| 14:13 | eythian | oh right |
| 14:13 | roughly as far away as you can get. | |
| 14:13 | ashimema | yup |
| 14:32 | Joubu | kidclamp: it seems that you forgot to add the new devs to the about page (and history.txt) |
| 14:35 | @later tell kidclamp it seems that you forgot to add the new devs to the about page (and history.txt) | |
| 14:35 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:42 | kidclamp | grah |
| 14:56 | * ashimema | hopes his githook is catching backported new authors as it's supposed to |
| 14:56 | ashimema | don't think there have been any so far |
| 15:16 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:30 | caroline | Hello everyone! |
| 15:38 | oleonard | Hi caroline |
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| 16:03 | * cait | waves |
| 16:04 | oleonard | Hi cait |
| 16:04 | caroline | Hi cait ! |
| 16:04 | I thought you were on vacation | |
| 16:09 | cait | i am :) |
| 16:09 | thx for signing my monstrous patch, oleonard++ | |
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| 18:40 | caroline | Does anyone know why Koha uses 952 for holdings instead of 852 in MARC21? |
| 18:41 | oleonard | Asking to know that before you've survived the initiation ceremony is a little presumptuous caroline |
| 18:42 | caroline | oops sorry! ;) I'll wait until Sept 12 to ask again |
| 18:43 | But it would save me and my team a whole lot of headaches when migrating databases from other systems | |
| 18:43 | oleonard | I don't remember exactly but I think it's because 9XX are local use? |
| 18:44 | caroline | yes, 9XX are local use, but MARC21 already has a field for holdings, why create another one |
| 18:46 | But I'm sure when they decided to do that, they had a good reason. I was just wondering what that good reason was | |
| 18:49 | Joubu | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]data_fields_(9xx) |
| 18:49 | "Koha does not use MARC21 field 852 directly and many proprietary systems seem to use 852 slightly differently so you need to check it anyway." | |
| 18:49 | my interpretation would be "it's as it, do not ask more" :D | |
| 18:50 | caroline | hehe! |
| 18:52 | tcohen | it is probably due to historical issues, and the fact that Koha also supports other MARC flavours |
| 18:54 | caroline | It's too bad we're out of France's time zone, because I'm pretty sure I remember them telling me they don't use 952 in Koha in UNIMARC |
| 18:55 | tcohen | indeed |
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| 18:59 | caroline | next meetings? |
| 18:59 | next meeting? | |
| 18:59 | :/ | |
| 19:01 | oleonard | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ing_8_August_2018 |
| 19:01 | caroline | thx! |
| 19:01 | isn't there a command for wahanui ? | |
| 19:02 | oleonard | He can't hear you from the chair on the beach where he is |
| 19:03 | caroline | good for him! He needs a vacation, he's so grumpy sometimes |
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| 19:12 | ashimema | Lol |
| 19:23 | oleonard | Bye all |
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| 20:28 | rangi | morning |
| 20:28 | caroline | Good morning! |
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| 21:37 | swift101 | How do I enable HTML display on the left side of the staff client? |
| 21:38 | I'm using version 17.11 | |
| 21:39 | cait | do you mean the news? |
| 21:39 | you can display news entries on the left side of the staff client start page | |
| 21:39 | tools - news - new entry - look at the interface pull down | |
| 21:40 | swift101 | mmm.. I'm also trying to run a script from this url http://blog.l2c2.co.in/index.p[…]oha-staff-client/ |
| 21:40 | for displaying unique titles | |
| 21:42 | cait | that should work with your version |
| 21:42 | try adding a news entry first | |
| 21:43 | that might make the necessary structure on thepage appear, that the script needs | |
| 21:44 | swift101 | it worked. Thanks cait. |
| 21:45 | cait | cool, happy to help |
| 22:01 | caroline | Good night everyone! |
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