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| 05:19 | fridolin | hi everybody |
| 05:22 | ashimema | Mornin' #koha |
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| 06:18 | * andreashm | waves |
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| 06:46 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:50 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 07:54 | ashimema | ack... why oh why do we not return a dbic ResultsetColumn and instead shortcircuit it to a far less usful array of values :'( |
| 07:58 | goodbye `as_query`, `sum`, `max`, `min`, `all`, `first`, `min_rs`, `max_rs`, `sum_rs`, `func` ! | |
| 07:58 | josef_moravec | ashimema: I was just surprised by this yesterday... |
| 08:00 | tuxayo | "Historical reasons" is the answer for any question like that. |
| 08:00 | ashimema josef_moravec ↑ | |
| 08:00 | ashimema | give me back proper dbic any day of the week.. I've tried realyl hard to understand why we chose the Koha::Object route and I just can't see it.. dbic objects have had years to mature.. why not stand on the shoulders of giants.. |
| 08:01 | tuxayo | Same answer :P |
| 08:01 | ashimema | I argued against them in the first place to be honest |
| 08:01 | so it's not really historical as such as it's not that old a decision | |
| 08:03 | tuxayo | ashimema: Is it the pre-dbic way of doing it or is that yet another way? |
| 08:05 | ashimema | we added dbic.. then there was a big hoo ha over whether we should allow adding custom methods to dbic generated classes which resulted in the answer 'no' (so, we in fact decided against the recommendation of the dbic community.. the whole idea is dbic gives you a starting place which you build on by adding customer methods and resultset classes ontop of the result classes).. |
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| 08:05 | ashimema | we then got annoyed with not being able to add methods as required to dbic classes that someone came up with objects.. which are basically crippled dbic classes built on top of dbic classes. |
| 08:06 | Issue is.. we adopt new technologies but very few people take the time to learn how to use them properly and fully leverage them.. dbic is a prime case.. | |
| 08:07 | I constantly find koha code where we've worked really hard to overcome a problem that was overcome a nice way long ago in a library we already use but didn't learn how to use fully and properly. | |
| 08:07 | * ashimema | switches out of history lesson/rant mode |
| 08:08 | is just a tad annoyed at reading code and thinking.. I could do with 25 lines in 2 lines and my 2 lines would be more performant.. crap.. I'm not aloud to. | |
| 08:10 | tuxayo | Thanks, interesting read :) |
| 08:10 | > I'm not aloud to | |
| 08:10 | Is it still not possible to add custom methods to dbic generated classes? (thus 25 lines instead of 2) | |
| 08:11 | ashimema | well you can now add methods to dbic generated classes (why are we still autogenerating I will never understand).. |
| 08:11 | but in this aprticular case it was reading some code that got a resultset, iterated through the resultset adding up values | |
| 08:12 | when it could have simply been `->resultset()->search()->column_to_sum->sum;` | |
| 08:13 | also.. by throwing away ->as_query all over the place you actually make query construction considerably harder | |
| 08:13 | also.. chaining searches seems to not work as well as it does in all my dbic only code elsewhere. | |
| 08:13 | so thos are three things that bug me of late ;) | |
| 08:15 | tuxayo | ashimema: dbic looks powerful :) |
| 08:19 | ashimema | it has it's flaws.. but they're well known and understood and there's a massive community around dbic to ask questions.. |
| 08:19 | Koha::Objects can't really say the same.. in the grand shceme of things it's a small community with few people that fully understand the code.. | |
| 08:20 | I like dbic.. it is incredibly powerful and has a fairly reasonably learning curve | |
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| 09:05 | cait | khall: around? |
| 09:09 | ashimema | you'll need to get someone at bywater to poke him.. he no longer turns his irc on cait |
| 09:09 | at least that's my experience of late | |
| 09:09 | cait | oh |
| 09:10 | * ashimema | has been trying to get a shared slack running to catch bywater for a while now |
| 09:10 | cait | kidclamp: ping |
| 09:11 | maybe someone else knows | |
| 09:11 | if you have added a wrong manual fine | |
| 09:11 | it seems ther is no optionto delete or update it | |
| 09:11 | do we have something planned to change that? is there something else you can do that is not a write off? | |
| 09:11 | ashimema | hmm.. that may well be deliberate |
| 09:12 | tcohen has been working most closely with that area of late | |
| 09:12 | cait | yeah but there should be a suggested workflow maybe? |
| 09:14 | ashimema | indeed.. |
| 09:15 | writeoff/credit ammendment is the most trackable way of doing it. | |
| 09:15 | I wish one could more easily associate a credit with a debit.. that way an amendment could be really clearly done | |
| 09:15 | * ashimema | adds that to the tcohen wishlist |
| 09:17 | cait | i think tcohen was investigating fixing credits |
| 09:17 | ashimema | :) |
| 09:17 | reading his submissions is on my todolist | |
| 09:20 | you guys aren't on 17.05 yet are you cait? | |
| 09:20 | wondering if you're looking at bug 19687 at all | |
| 09:20 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19687 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Recent upgrade to 17.05.04.000 bulkmarcimport started to fail |
| 09:21 | cait | hm maybe i should, although we are only using this for migrations |
| 09:21 | we plan an update from 16.11 to 17.11 atm | |
| 09:21 | ashimema | it also affect the stage + commit |
| 09:21 | cait | working right now on fixing an authority import script with changes done to the API (we do weird things there, our fault) |
| 09:21 | eek | |
| 09:21 | ashimema | which I thought you used for union catalogue syncing still? |
| 09:21 | cait | you got me there |
| 09:22 | hm no items for staged... but of course for migration you'd need it | |
| 09:22 | ashimema | ;) |
| 09:22 | cait | have you tested it yourself? |
| 09:22 | ashimema | Ian is our migrations man.. he's tested it lots |
| 09:23 | cait | does he have a fix? |
| 09:23 | ashimema | it's on my todo list.. but I haven't had a moment to look at it yet myself |
| 09:23 | eythian | cait: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44385018 (bet he's feeling abit silly now though.) |
| 09:23 | ashimema | yes.. but I'm not sure it's the right fix.. he just adds full subroutine paths |
| 09:23 | rather than importing the modules required | |
| 09:24 | cait | hm already major, wonder why i didn't spot it |
| 09:24 | ashimema | not sure whose been converting command line scripts to work properly recently.. I'm sure someone has |
| 09:24 | cait | broken import sounds quite bad |
| 09:24 | i think we didn something with the crons | |
| 09:25 | ashimema | I think the general install base out there is pretty old ;) |
| 09:37 | cait | hm could someone test exporting authorities from 17.11 or higher? |
| 09:38 | can't get the file to open with marcedit :( | |
| 09:38 | ah right... it's empty... I will come back later when I've found my head | |
| 09:46 | someone happen to know how to use workbench with kohadevbox? | |
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| 10:26 | jenkins | Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #17: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_U18/17/ |
| 10:26 | * katrin.fischer: Bug 20793: Don't show a holds link in staff for users without permission | |
| 10:26 | * oleonard: Bug 20793: (follow-up) Add style to the non-link hold count on detail | |
| 10:26 | * gonzalez: Bug 19835: Update MARC frameworks to Updates 23+24+25 (Nov 2016, May and | |
| 10:26 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20793 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Don't show holds link in result list when staff user doesn't have place_holds permission |
| 10:26 | jenkins | * gonzalez: Bug 19835: Fix repeatability on MARC21 subfields |
| 10:26 | * gonzalez: Bug 19835: Fix MARC21 frameworks revision date | |
| 10:26 | * katrin.fischer: Bug 19835: (follow-up) Correct formatting in a few places | |
| 10:26 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19835 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Stable , Update MARC frameworks to Updates 23+24+25 (Nov 2016, May and Dec 2017) |
| 10:32 | jenkins | Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #22: SUCCESS in 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D9/22/ |
| 10:32 | * katrin.fischer: Bug 20793: Don't show a holds link in staff for users without permission | |
| 10:32 | * oleonard: Bug 20793: (follow-up) Add style to the non-link hold count on detail | |
| 10:32 | * gonzalez: Bug 19835: Update MARC frameworks to Updates 23+24+25 (Nov 2016, May and | |
| 10:32 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20793 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Don't show holds link in result list when staff user doesn't have place_holds permission |
| 10:32 | jenkins | * gonzalez: Bug 19835: Fix repeatability on MARC21 subfields |
| 10:32 | * gonzalez: Bug 19835: Fix MARC21 frameworks revision date | |
| 10:32 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19835 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Stable , Update MARC frameworks to Updates 23+24+25 (Nov 2016, May and Dec 2017) |
| 10:32 | jenkins | * katrin.fischer: Bug 19835: (follow-up) Correct formatting in a few places |
| 10:32 | * katrin.fischer: Bug 20709: Update GERMAN MARC frameworks to Updates 23+24+25 (Nov 2016, | |
| 10:32 | * katrin.fischer: Bug 20709: (follow-up) Update GERMAN MARC frameworks to Update 26 (April | |
| 10:32 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20709 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Update GERMAN MARC frameworks to Updates 23-26 (Nov 2016, May and Apr 2018) |
| 10:38 | jenkins | Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #21: SUCCESS in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D8/21/ |
| 10:38 | * katrin.fischer: Bug 20793: Don't show a holds link in staff for users without permission | |
| 10:38 | * oleonard: Bug 20793: (follow-up) Add style to the non-link hold count on detail | |
| 10:38 | * gonzalez: Bug 19835: Update MARC frameworks to Updates 23+24+25 (Nov 2016, May and | |
| 10:38 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20793 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Don't show holds link in result list when staff user doesn't have place_holds permission |
| 10:38 | jenkins | * gonzalez: Bug 19835: Fix repeatability on MARC21 subfields |
| 10:38 | * gonzalez: Bug 19835: Fix MARC21 frameworks revision date | |
| 10:38 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19835 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Stable , Update MARC frameworks to Updates 23+24+25 (Nov 2016, May and Dec 2017) |
| 10:38 | jenkins | * katrin.fischer: Bug 19835: (follow-up) Correct formatting in a few places |
| 10:38 | * katrin.fischer: Bug 20709: Update GERMAN MARC frameworks to Updates 23+24+25 (Nov 2016, | |
| 10:38 | * katrin.fischer: Bug 20709: (follow-up) Update GERMAN MARC frameworks to Update 26 (April | |
| 10:38 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20709 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Update GERMAN MARC frameworks to Updates 23-26 (Nov 2016, May and Apr 2018) |
| 10:39 | * ashimema | likes jenkins being happy |
| 10:39 | ashimema | though U18 still needs a little work |
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| 10:51 | jenkins | Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #18: STILL UNSTABLE in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_U18/18/ |
| 10:51 | * katrin.fischer: Bug 20709: Update GERMAN MARC frameworks to Updates 23+24+25 (Nov 2016, | |
| 10:51 | * katrin.fischer: Bug 20709: (follow-up) Update GERMAN MARC frameworks to Update 26 (April | |
| 10:51 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20709 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Update GERMAN MARC frameworks to Updates 23-26 (Nov 2016, May and Apr 2018) |
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| 12:19 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 12:20 | ashimema | after singing dbics praises earlier I just found a fringe case bug in it :) |
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| 12:24 | oleonard | Hi all |
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| 12:26 | marcelr | hi oleonard |
| 12:26 | oleonard++ # SO | |
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| 12:29 | * LeeJ | waves |
| 12:30 | oleonard | marcelr, I took a look at your GDPR patch yesterday and had a question -- is there (or is there going to be) a way for staff to see who has declined consent? |
| 12:30 | eythian | that feels problematic |
| 12:30 | marcelr | this still needs attention on another report |
| 12:31 | it is a request to delete (unsubscribe) | |
| 12:31 | eythian | "here's a list of all the people who don't want their names put into lists" |
| 12:31 | marcelr | eythian: you need a list of delete requests |
| 12:36 | ashimema | Just delete them from the list when you do the deletion |
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| 12:46 | ashimema | any Koha::Object pros here.. |
| 12:47 | do we inflate/deflate DateTimes in the same was as dbic? | |
| 12:50 | Ooh.. looks like we don't use InflateColumn anywhere :'( | |
| 12:51 | am i missing something somewhere here.. | |
| 12:52 | we set datetime_undef_if_invalid in the result classes but we don't actually import InflateColumn::DateTime ... | |
| 13:04 | Joubu | hi #koha |
| 13:04 | marcelr | hi Joubu |
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| 13:04 | caroline | Good morning! |
| 13:05 | marcelr | and hi caroline |
| 13:05 | calire | hi #koha |
| 13:05 | marcelr | and calire re ! |
| 13:05 | kidclamp | hi all |
| 13:05 | marcelr | and kidclamp :) |
| 13:05 | whats happenign here | |
| 13:06 | calire | o/ |
| 13:06 | caroline | marcelr: I don't know. What is happening? Did I come in in the middle of a meeting? |
| 13:07 | marcelr | nothing really |
| 13:07 | caroline | okay lol! |
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| 13:07 | marcelr | it seems to be 9 in the us |
| 13:07 | caroline | yes, eastern time |
| 13:08 | oleonard | I too would like to know what's happening. What's up. What's going on. What's new. |
| 13:08 | chris_n | cait: Could you post the results of the query I added to bug 8604, please? |
| 13:08 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8604 major, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Patron cards made for patrons which don't have patron images use preceding card's image |
| 13:13 | oleonard | Oh hey who hasn't met chris_n before? He lurks 11 months out of the year and then POUNCES when someone has a question about labels or patron cards |
| 13:13 | chris_n++ | |
| 13:14 | caroline | Oh yeah, I remember seeing the explanation on the wiki https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]tron_Card_Creator |
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| 13:18 | chris_n | oleonard: ;) |
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| 13:35 | ashimema | i bet adding dbic helpers is frowned upon isn't it... I want to add correlate subquery support |
| 13:45 | tcohen | morning |
| 13:49 | marcelr | hi tcohen |
| 13:52 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 13:52 | huginn | oleonard: Athens, OH :: Clear :: 78F/25C | Tuesday: A mix of clouds and sun during the morning will give way to cloudy skies this afternoon. A stray shower or thunderstorm is possible. High 91F. Winds light and variable. Tuesday Night: Partly cloudy skies. A stray shower or thunderstorm is possible. Low 71F. Winds light and variable. |
| 13:53 | tcohen | @wunder cordoba, argentina |
| 13:53 | huginn | tcohen: Cordoba, Argentina :: Mostly Cloudy :: 40F/4C | Tuesday: A shower or two around the area early, then partly cloudy during the afternoon. High near 50F. Winds E at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30%. Tuesday Night: Some clouds. Low 32F. Winds NNE at 5 to 10 mph. |
| 13:53 | tcohen | Joubu: we are ready to welcome you in Cordoba, with our great weather |
| 13:53 | hahaha | |
| 13:55 | Joubu | :-/ |
| 14:02 | alex_a | nlegrand, just for you: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=21032 |
| 14:02 | huginn | Bug 21032: major, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Needs Signoff , Refining a search made on a specific index fail |
| 14:02 | alex_a | To test |
| 14:06 | oleonard | I would like to get more opinions on Bug 20729 |
| 14:06 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , Update style of datepickers |
| 14:09 | tcohen | Joubu: Cecilia says it is snowing WTF |
| 14:10 | marcelr | winter sport |
| 14:10 | Winter Time Fun ? | |
| 14:10 | tcohen | snow tennis |
| 14:15 | Joubu | it's freezing here as well |
| 14:15 | @wunder Buenos Aires, Argentina | |
| 14:15 | huginn | Joubu: Buenos Aires, Argentina :: Clear :: 45F/7C | Wind Chill: 41F/5C | Tuesday: Partly cloudy. High 49F. Winds SE at 5 to 10 mph. Tuesday Night: Cloudy skies. Low 44F. Winds ESE at 5 to 10 mph. |
| 14:16 | marcelr | oleonard: at first i did not even see the subtle difference on 20729 |
| 14:16 | somehow it feels funny to put him inside but it works | |
| 14:19 | eythian | tcohen: I learnt today that Argentina has a Welsh-speaking population. |
| 14:19 | oleonard | Thanks for taking a look marcelr |
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| 14:59 | marcelr | htg |
| 14:59 | bye #koha | |
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| 15:41 | reiveune | bye |
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| 19:17 | oleonard-away | My success with Bug 20520 has only emboldened me. Look ye on Bug 20134 and despair! |
| 19:17 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20520 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Re-indent moremember.tt |
| 19:17 | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20134 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, RESOLVED FIXED, Remove /api/v1/app.pl from the generated URLs | |
| 19:18 | oleonard | whoops, Bug 21034 |
| 19:18 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21034 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Re-indent circulation.tt |
| 19:19 | ashimema | :) |
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| 20:12 | oleonard | I'm off until the 16th, so everyone have fun signing off on all my patches while I'm gone! |
| 20:15 | cait | ooh |
| 20:15 | missed oleonard | |
| 20:15 | happy vacation1 | |
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| 21:58 | caroline | bye #koha! See you tomorrow! |
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