IRC log for #koha, 2018-07-03

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05:19 fridolin hi everybody
05:22 ashimema Mornin' #koha
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06:18 * andreashm waves
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06:46 reiveune hello
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06:50 alex_a bonjour
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07:54 ashimema ack... why oh why do we not return a dbic ResultsetColumn and instead shortcircuit it to a far less usful array of values :'(
07:58 goodbye `as_query`, `sum`, `max`, `min`, `all`, `first`,  `min_rs`, `max_rs`, `sum_rs`, `func` !
07:58 josef_moravec ashimema: I was just surprised by this yesterday...
08:00 tuxayo "Historical reasons" is the answer for any question like that.
08:00 ashimema josef_moravec ↑
08:00 ashimema give me back proper dbic any day of the week.. I've tried realyl hard to understand why we chose the Koha::Object route and I just can't see it.. dbic objects have had years to mature.. why not stand on the shoulders of giants..
08:01 tuxayo Same answer :P
08:01 ashimema I argued against them in the first place to be honest
08:01 so it's not really historical as such as it's not that old a decision
08:03 tuxayo ashimema: Is it the pre-dbic way of doing it or is that yet another way?
08:05 ashimema we added dbic.. then there was a big hoo ha over whether we should allow adding custom methods to dbic generated classes which resulted in the answer 'no' (so, we in fact decided against the recommendation of the dbic community.. the whole idea is dbic gives you a starting place which you build on by adding customer methods and resultset classes ontop of the result classes)..
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08:05 ashimema we then got annoyed with not being able to add methods as required to dbic classes that someone came up with objects.. which are basically crippled dbic classes built on top of dbic classes.
08:06 Issue is.. we adopt new technologies but very few people take the time to learn how to use them properly and fully leverage them.. dbic is a prime case..
08:07 I constantly find koha code where we've worked really hard to overcome a problem that was overcome a nice way long ago in a library we already use but didn't learn how to use fully and properly.
08:07 * ashimema switches out of history lesson/rant mode
08:08 is just a tad annoyed at reading code and thinking.. I could do with 25 lines in 2 lines and my 2 lines would be more performant.. crap.. I'm not aloud to.
08:10 tuxayo Thanks, interesting read :)
08:10 > I'm not aloud to
08:10 Is it still not possible to add custom methods to dbic generated classes? (thus 25 lines instead of 2)
08:11 ashimema well you can now add methods to dbic generated classes (why are we still autogenerating I will never understand)..
08:11 but in this aprticular case it was reading some code that got a resultset, iterated through the resultset adding up values
08:12 when it could have simply been `->resultset()->search()->column_to_sum->sum;`
08:13 also.. by throwing away ->as_query all over the place you actually make query construction considerably harder
08:13 also.. chaining searches seems to not work as well as it does in all my dbic only code elsewhere.
08:13 so thos are three things that bug me of late ;)
08:15 tuxayo ashimema: dbic looks powerful :)
08:19 ashimema it has it's flaws.. but they're well known and understood and there's a massive community around dbic to ask questions..
08:19 Koha::Objects can't really say the same.. in the grand shceme of things it's a small community with few people that fully understand the code..
08:20 I like dbic.. it is incredibly powerful and has a fairly reasonably learning curve
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09:05 cait khall: around?
09:09 ashimema you'll need to get someone at bywater to poke him.. he no longer turns his irc on  cait
09:09 at least that's my experience of late
09:09 cait oh
09:10 * ashimema has been trying to get a shared slack running to catch bywater for a while now
09:10 cait kidclamp: ping
09:11 maybe someone else knows
09:11 if you have added a wrong manual fine
09:11 it seems ther is no optionto delete or update it
09:11 do we have something planned to change that? is there something else you can do that is not a write off?
09:11 ashimema hmm.. that may well be deliberate
09:12 tcohen has been working most closely with that area of late
09:12 cait yeah but there should be a suggested workflow maybe?
09:14 ashimema indeed..
09:15 writeoff/credit ammendment is the most trackable way of doing it.
09:15 I wish one could more easily associate a credit with a debit.. that way an amendment could be really clearly done
09:15 * ashimema adds that to the tcohen wishlist
09:17 cait i think tcohen was investigating fixing credits
09:17 ashimema :)
09:17 reading his submissions is on my todolist
09:20 you guys aren't on 17.05 yet are you cait?
09:20 wondering if you're looking at bug 19687 at all
09:20 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19687 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Recent upgrade to 17.05.04.000 bulkmarcimport started to fail
09:21 cait hm maybe i should, although we are only using this for migrations
09:21 we plan an update from 16.11 to 17.11 atm
09:21 ashimema it also affect the stage + commit
09:21 cait working right now on fixing an authority import script with changes done to the API (we do weird things there, our fault)
09:21 eek
09:21 ashimema which I thought you used for union catalogue syncing still?
09:21 cait you got me there
09:22 hm no items for staged... but of course for migration you'd need it
09:22 ashimema ;)
09:22 cait have you tested it yourself?
09:22 ashimema Ian is our migrations man.. he's tested it lots
09:23 cait does he have a fix?
09:23 ashimema it's on my todo list.. but I haven't had a moment to look at it yet myself
09:23 eythian cait: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44385018 (bet he's feeling abit silly now though.)
09:23 ashimema yes.. but I'm not sure it's the right fix.. he just adds full subroutine paths
09:23 rather than importing the modules required
09:24 cait hm already major, wonder why i didn't spot it
09:24 ashimema not sure whose been converting command line scripts to work properly recently.. I'm sure someone has
09:24 cait broken import sounds quite bad
09:24 i think we didn something with the crons
09:25 ashimema I think the general install base out there is pretty old ;)
09:37 cait hm could someone test exporting authorities from 17.11 or higher?
09:38 can't get the file to open with marcedit :(
09:38 ah right... it's empty... I will come back later when I've found my head
09:46 someone happen to know how to use workbench with kohadevbox?
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10:26 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #17: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_U18/17/
10:26 * katrin.fischer: Bug 20793: Don't show a holds link in staff for users without permission
10:26 * oleonard: Bug 20793: (follow-up) Add style to the non-link hold count on detail
10:26 * gonzalez: Bug 19835: Update MARC frameworks to Updates 23+24+25 (Nov 2016, May and
10:26 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20793 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Don't show holds link in result list when staff user doesn't have place_holds permission
10:26 jenkins * gonzalez: Bug 19835: Fix repeatability on MARC21 subfields
10:26 * gonzalez: Bug 19835: Fix MARC21 frameworks revision date
10:26 * katrin.fischer: Bug 19835: (follow-up) Correct formatting in a few places
10:26 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19835 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Stable , Update MARC frameworks to Updates 23+24+25 (Nov 2016, May and Dec 2017)
10:32 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #22: SUCCESS in 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D9/22/
10:32 * katrin.fischer: Bug 20793: Don't show a holds link in staff for users without permission
10:32 * oleonard: Bug 20793: (follow-up) Add style to the non-link hold count on detail
10:32 * gonzalez: Bug 19835: Update MARC frameworks to Updates 23+24+25 (Nov 2016, May and
10:32 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20793 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Don't show holds link in result list when staff user doesn't have place_holds permission
10:32 jenkins * gonzalez: Bug 19835: Fix repeatability on MARC21 subfields
10:32 * gonzalez: Bug 19835: Fix MARC21 frameworks revision date
10:32 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19835 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Stable , Update MARC frameworks to Updates 23+24+25 (Nov 2016, May and Dec 2017)
10:32 jenkins * katrin.fischer: Bug 19835: (follow-up) Correct formatting in a few places
10:32 * katrin.fischer: Bug 20709: Update GERMAN MARC frameworks to Updates 23+24+25 (Nov 2016,
10:32 * katrin.fischer: Bug 20709: (follow-up) Update GERMAN MARC frameworks to Update 26 (April
10:32 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20709 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Update GERMAN MARC frameworks to Updates 23-26 (Nov 2016, May and Apr 2018)
10:38 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #21: SUCCESS in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D8/21/
10:38 * katrin.fischer: Bug 20793: Don't show a holds link in staff for users without permission
10:38 * oleonard: Bug 20793: (follow-up) Add style to the non-link hold count on detail
10:38 * gonzalez: Bug 19835: Update MARC frameworks to Updates 23+24+25 (Nov 2016, May and
10:38 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20793 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Don't show holds link in result list when staff user doesn't have place_holds permission
10:38 jenkins * gonzalez: Bug 19835: Fix repeatability on MARC21 subfields
10:38 * gonzalez: Bug 19835: Fix MARC21 frameworks revision date
10:38 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19835 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Stable , Update MARC frameworks to Updates 23+24+25 (Nov 2016, May and Dec 2017)
10:38 jenkins * katrin.fischer: Bug 19835: (follow-up) Correct formatting in a few places
10:38 * katrin.fischer: Bug 20709: Update GERMAN MARC frameworks to Updates 23+24+25 (Nov 2016,
10:38 * katrin.fischer: Bug 20709: (follow-up) Update GERMAN MARC frameworks to Update 26 (April
10:38 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20709 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Update GERMAN MARC frameworks to Updates 23-26 (Nov 2016, May and Apr 2018)
10:39 * ashimema likes jenkins being happy
10:39 ashimema though U18 still needs a little work
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10:51 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #18: STILL UNSTABLE in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_U18/18/
10:51 * katrin.fischer: Bug 20709: Update GERMAN MARC frameworks to Updates 23+24+25 (Nov 2016,
10:51 * katrin.fischer: Bug 20709: (follow-up) Update GERMAN MARC frameworks to Update 26 (April
10:51 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20709 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Update GERMAN MARC frameworks to Updates 23-26 (Nov 2016, May and Apr 2018)
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12:19 marcelr hi #koha
12:20 ashimema after singing dbics praises earlier I just found a fringe case bug in it :)
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12:24 oleonard Hi all
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12:26 marcelr hi oleonard
12:26 oleonard++ # SO
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12:29 * LeeJ waves
12:30 oleonard marcelr, I took a look at your GDPR patch yesterday and had a question -- is there (or is there going to be) a way for staff to see who has declined consent?
12:30 eythian that feels problematic
12:30 marcelr this still needs attention on another report
12:31 it is a request to delete (unsubscribe)
12:31 eythian "here's a list of all the people who don't want their names put into lists"
12:31 marcelr eythian: you need a list of delete requests
12:36 ashimema Just delete them from the list when you do the deletion
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12:46 ashimema any Koha::Object pros here..
12:47 do we inflate/deflate DateTimes in the same was as dbic?
12:50 Ooh.. looks like we don't use InflateColumn anywhere :'(
12:51 am i missing something somewhere here..
12:52 we set datetime_undef_if_invalid in the result classes but we don't actually import InflateColumn::DateTime ...
13:04 Joubu hi #koha
13:04 marcelr hi Joubu
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13:04 caroline Good morning!
13:05 marcelr and hi caroline
13:05 calire hi #koha
13:05 marcelr and calire re !
13:05 kidclamp hi all
13:05 marcelr and kidclamp :)
13:05 whats happenign here
13:06 calire o/
13:06 caroline marcelr: I don't know. What is happening? Did I come in in the middle of a meeting?
13:07 marcelr nothing really
13:07 caroline okay lol!
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13:07 marcelr it seems to be 9 in the us
13:07 caroline yes, eastern time
13:08 oleonard I too would like to know what's happening. What's up. What's going on. What's new.
13:08 chris_n cait: Could you post the results of the query I added to bug 8604, please?
13:08 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8604 major, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Patron cards made for patrons which don't have patron images use preceding card's image
13:13 oleonard Oh hey who hasn't met chris_n before? He lurks 11 months out of the year and then POUNCES when someone has a question about labels or patron cards
13:13 chris_n++
13:14 caroline Oh yeah, I remember seeing the explanation on the wiki https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]tron_Card_Creator
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13:18 chris_n oleonard: ;)
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13:35 ashimema i bet adding dbic helpers is frowned upon isn't it... I want to add correlate subquery support
13:45 tcohen morning
13:49 marcelr hi tcohen
13:52 oleonard @wunder 45701
13:52 huginn oleonard: Athens, OH :: Clear :: 78F/25C | Tuesday: A mix of clouds and sun during the morning will give way to cloudy skies this afternoon. A stray shower or thunderstorm is possible. High 91F. Winds light and variable. Tuesday Night: Partly cloudy skies. A stray shower or thunderstorm is possible. Low 71F. Winds light and variable.
13:53 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
13:53 huginn tcohen: Cordoba, Argentina :: Mostly Cloudy :: 40F/4C | Tuesday: A shower or two around the area early, then partly cloudy during the afternoon. High near 50F. Winds E at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30%. Tuesday Night: Some clouds. Low 32F. Winds NNE at 5 to 10 mph.
13:53 tcohen Joubu: we are ready to welcome you in Cordoba, with our great weather
13:53 hahaha
13:55 Joubu :-/
14:02 alex_a nlegrand, just for you: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=21032
14:02 huginn Bug 21032: major, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Needs Signoff , Refining a search made on a specific index fail
14:02 alex_a To test
14:06 oleonard I would like to get more opinions on Bug 20729
14:06 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , Update style of datepickers
14:09 tcohen Joubu: Cecilia says it is snowing WTF
14:10 marcelr winter sport
14:10 Winter Time Fun ?
14:10 tcohen snow tennis
14:15 Joubu it's freezing here as well
14:15 @wunder Buenos Aires, Argentina
14:15 huginn Joubu: Buenos Aires, Argentina :: Clear :: 45F/7C | Wind Chill: 41F/5C | Tuesday: Partly cloudy. High 49F. Winds SE at 5 to 10 mph. Tuesday Night: Cloudy skies. Low 44F. Winds ESE at 5 to 10 mph.
14:16 marcelr oleonard: at first i did not even see the subtle difference on 20729
14:16 somehow it feels funny to put him inside but it works
14:19 eythian tcohen: I learnt today that Argentina has a Welsh-speaking population.
14:19 oleonard Thanks for taking a look marcelr
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14:59 marcelr htg
14:59 bye #koha
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19:17 oleonard-away My success with Bug 20520 has only emboldened me. Look ye on Bug 20134 and despair!
19:17 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20520 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Re-indent moremember.tt
19:17 Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20134 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, RESOLVED FIXED, Remove /api/v1/app.pl from the generated URLs
19:18 oleonard whoops, Bug 21034
19:18 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21034 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Re-indent circulation.tt
19:19 ashimema :)
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20:12 oleonard I'm off until the 16th, so everyone have fun signing off on all my patches while I'm gone!
20:15 cait ooh
20:15 missed oleonard
20:15 happy vacation1
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21:58 caroline bye #koha! See you tomorrow!
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