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| 06:04 | drojf | hi #koha |
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| 06:25 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:25 | wahanui | hello, alex_a |
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| 06:33 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:07 | fridolin | hi there |
| 07:07 | wahanui | privet, fridolin |
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| 07:14 | * cait | waves |
| 07:19 | drojf | hi fridolin and cait |
| 07:21 | ashimema | anyone else have issues forking the Koha repo on gitlab? |
| 07:21 | cait | the koha main one? |
| 07:21 | that#s not on gitlab | |
| 07:23 | fridolin | ashimema: you mean your own gitlab ? |
| 07:23 | ashimema | mm |
| 07:24 | i.e. going to https://gitlab.com/koha-community/Koha and hitting the 'Fork' button | |
| 07:24 | I can of course easily clone down and push back up from a local.. but I wanted to keep the fork links intact ;) | |
| 07:25 | * ashimema | is slowly migrating his local efforts from github to gitlab |
| 07:28 | cait | ashimema: hm we are not using this, so I don't know |
| 07:29 | maybe it's turned off to dicourage people from doing merge requests | |
| 07:29 | ashimema | no worries.. it's no big issue |
| 07:30 | fridolin | oh looks like framagit |
| 07:30 | ashimema | I bet it's just the mahoosive size of the repo and a gitlab issue |
| 07:30 | fridolin | tuxayo: do you know that ^ |
| 07:31 | ashimema | framagit is just another hosted gitlab is it not |
| 07:33 | tuxayo | ashimema, cait: I have a fork since some time :https://gitlab.com/tuxayo/Koha |
| 07:34 | ashimema | oh.. third time lucky it's worked |
| 07:34 | :) | |
| 07:34 | and now so do it :) | |
| 07:34 | tuxayo | fridolin: ashimema: gitlab.com is the main instance running the non libre version. And framagit is a third party one running the libre version. (and framasoft are really great people! :D) |
| 07:35 | ashimema++ for moving out of GitHub | |
| 07:35 | magnuse | Joubu++ community++ |
| 07:36 | fridolin | tuxayo: but on gitlab its a miror of github :( |
| 07:37 | ashimema | I have scripts that keep the ptfs github repos mirrored to commnity.. if the gitlab community repos are much behind I'll just repurpose my scripts to keep my own fork up to date ;) |
| 07:39 | tuxayo | fridolin: It's more symbolic than a real dependency en GitHub. |
| 07:39 | fridolin, ashimema: I have another repo which mirror the main Koha repo https://gitlab.com/tuxayo/koha-mirror | |
| 07:39 | I don't remember why I ended up with two repos... | |
| 07:39 | drojf | now that the new lts ubuntu 18.04 is supported, should we drop support for 16.04? |
| 07:40 | tuxayo | I think I wanted to remove the mirror of the main one and only keep koha-community/Koha to have a forks link? |
| 07:40 | drojf | or rather, not advertise to install on 16.04 |
| 07:40 | fridolin | tuxayo: you can not push branches on the mirror I bet |
| 07:41 | drojf: i hope support on 16.04 xenial will exist for some years more | |
| 07:41 | its LTS unitl 2020 something | |
| 07:41 | all our server have it | |
| 07:41 | tuxayo | drojf: are people running 18.04 in production yet? Not sure is 18.04 has been field tested with Koha |
| 07:41 | *tested enough | |
| 07:42 | fridolin: doesn't mean we have to support 16.04 until it's end of life. | |
| 07:42 | drojf | tuxayo: i added the missing dependencies to the repository. i don't use ubuntu, i did not test more than installation |
| 07:42 | fridolin | indeed but a bit more |
| 07:43 | we will test at biblibre, we like Ubuntu | |
| 07:43 | drojf | fridolin: it's based on stretch, it will likely work for a while |
| 07:43 | fridolin | drojf: with one ? 16.04 ? |
| 07:43 | drojf | we probably drop support for jessie before that |
| 07:43 | yes. isn't it? | |
| 07:43 | fridolin | ah indeed |
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| 07:50 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:50 | drojf | 18.05.00 package done, new repository structure done. i think i'll have a break and a coffee before i publish. to create more suspense :D |
| 07:50 | * drojf | makes suspensy ooooooh-sounds |
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| 08:00 | tuxayo | drojf++ |
| 08:01 | cait | drojf++ |
| 08:05 | magnuse | drojf++ |
| 08:08 | eythian | ++drojf |
| 08:08 | kidclamp | drojf++ |
| 08:21 | drojf | done |
| 08:21 | i hope there won't be any explosions | |
| 08:22 | * kidclamp | feesl like that is a reasonable expectation of reality most days |
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| 08:37 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 08:37 | kidclamp | hi marcelr |
| 08:37 | marcelr | hi kidclamp |
| 08:37 | are you in function now as RM? | |
| 08:38 | * cait | waves |
| 08:38 | marcelr | hi cait |
| 08:38 | cait: anyone working on GPDR stuff currently? | |
| 08:38 | GDPR | |
| 08:38 | kidclamp | II guess so :-) |
| 08:38 | * kidclamp | gulps |
| 08:38 | cait | marcelr: there are only a few things marked to be activley worked on yet |
| 08:38 | let me find the link | |
| 08:39 | magnuse | GDPR? |
| 08:39 | wahanui | GDPR is, like, bug 18081 and https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]nd_patron_privacy |
| 08:39 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18081 new feature, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , [omnibus] GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation) |
| 08:39 | cait | ah yep |
| 08:39 | if there is a bug number and a name the chances are good, other things we still need people for | |
| 08:40 | marcelr | nobody is adding a consent field somehwere in the patrons info? |
| 08:40 | * ashimema | has had to write a local cleanup script to get customers happy for GDPR and intends to port it back up to community once I've got my head around all the bugs |
| 08:40 | cait | do you think about self reg? because i just ran into that problem... |
| 08:40 | magnuse | ashimema++ |
| 08:40 | marcelr | we need to register the consent somewhere |
| 08:40 | ashimema | I've not been doing that one marcelr |
| 08:41 | cait | marcelr: for registrations at the desk we are using a patron attribute |
| 08:41 | marcelr | and if people do not give consent, should we disallow login or so ?? |
| 08:41 | cait | you shoudl not store theirdata if they don't consent |
| 08:41 | drojf | which means you can't store their nonconsent |
| 08:41 | marcelr | yeah |
| 08:41 | no consent == no account | |
| 08:42 | ashimema | I intend on doing bug 11983 (and enhancing it with some additional filtering options whilst I'm in there) |
| 08:42 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11983 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , code to select patrons to purge needs to be centralized |
| 08:42 | drojf | so no field needed. easy :D |
| 08:42 | marcelr | well too easy |
| 08:42 | ashimema | that's the piece I've been doing.. I'll also test bug 19008 |
| 08:42 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19008 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Failed QA , More database cleanups |
| 08:42 | marcelr | we need to provide proof that they gave consent |
| 08:42 | ashimema | then move on to the othe GPDR if they've not already been solved ;) |
| 08:42 | marcelr | so i would propose to add it as a datetime |
| 08:43 | ashimema: so you would just purge after a few weeks? | |
| 08:43 | ashimema | mm.. we've been using an attribute too cait ;) |
| 08:43 | hense less of a rush for us. | |
| 08:44 | on that particular bit.. but we do have loads of customer who have decided they need to do a massive cleanup.. hense the work I'm doing now | |
| 08:44 | cait | usually they sign something here when registerng |
| 08:44 | and that is the consent | |
| 08:44 | ashimema | marcelr: the script I've written is an enhancement on the existing delete_patrons one |
| 08:44 | cait | i think a library could upload that file (which we don't do) |
| 08:45 | marcelr | so it should be added to self registration |
| 08:45 | cait | but i was told they need to constent before you store them |
| 08:45 | which means we need something for patron self reg | |
| 08:45 | marcelr | yeah |
| 08:45 | cait | you can add patron attributes there, but you can't make them mandatory |
| 08:45 | ... and that's an issue | |
| 08:45 | also translatons, it would be nice to have something that can be turned on by default | |
| 08:45 | ashimema | only instead of dates it accepts numbers of days and it also filters on ammount outstanding and a bunch of other filters optionally |
| 08:46 | cait | ashimema: so which patrons are you deleting? |
| 08:46 | not the expired ones? | |
| 08:46 | ashimema | cait.. is there a requirement to refresh that consent regularly? |
| 08:46 | cait | I don't think there is |
| 08:46 | but you can't keep expired ones forever | |
| 08:47 | as some would like... | |
| 08:47 | marcelr | no but they should be able to remove the consent again |
| 08:47 | ashimema | or does consent mean consent forever.. I never found that bit in the massive ream of legal speak |
| 08:47 | cait | i don't think they shoudl be |
| 08:47 | i think they need to be able to ask the library to delete their data | |
| 08:47 | marcelr | it should be as easy to remove consent as to add it |
| 08:47 | ashimema | cait.. my script takes the following filters |
| 08:48 | days_since_expired, days_since_issued, days_since_seen, on_list, zero_current_issues, fees_outstanding, branchcode, categorycode. | |
| 08:48 | so you can optionally filter on any/all of those with various values | |
| 08:49 | cait | marcelr: in my mind it makes no sene to remove consent.... but it might be misunderstanding |
| 08:49 | i think we shoudl offer a clear option to ask for deleting all data instead | |
| 08:49 | marcelr | yeah it means the same |
| 08:49 | but we like to make a distinction | |
| 08:50 | ashimema | indeed |
| 08:50 | marcelr | we will not remove all data rightaway in certain situations |
| 08:50 | * ashimema | needs some breakfast |
| 08:54 | marcelr | drojf [off] please remove me from the blacklist |
| 08:55 | magnuse | cait: how do you add patron attributes to self reg? |
| 08:57 | cait | magnuse: it's 17.11 feature i thin,k but the problem is you need to turn off email verification (why i have no idea) |
| 08:57 | you set a checkbox at the patron attribute to be editable in opac | |
| 08:57 | and there is a note it doesn't work with email verification for selfreg | |
| 08:58 | that is the first problem... not being able to make it mandatory is the other | |
| 08:58 | i've just investigated that yesterday for a library | |
| 08:59 | marcelr | why did everyone start working on GDPR yesterday :) |
| 08:59 | drojf | marcelr: it came out of nowhere :P |
| 08:59 | marcelr | right just like the euro |
| 08:59 | magnuse | thanks cait, i'll have to look into that again |
| 09:00 | drojf | ouch. looks like the libhttp-oai-perl drama is not solved completely |
| 09:01 | damn | |
| 09:05 | cait | marcelr: you could file a bug an dlink it on the table maybe? |
| 09:05 | for further discussion | |
| 09:15 | marcelr | cait: i probably will |
| 09:17 | eythian | don't forget with the gdpr stuff, consent for what? e.g. consent for sharing data with third parties is required, and opt-out mustn't degrade the service. Probably consent for being emailed. Also, these things must be able to have said consent removed/updated at any time. |
| 09:18 | (also, things must be opt-in, not opt-out.) | |
| 09:18 | etc. etc. | |
| 09:52 | marcelr | eythian: consent with processing personal data in the first place |
| 10:05 | reiveune | bye |
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| 10:08 | cait | thx marcelr |
| 10:08 | marcelr++ | |
| 10:08 | marcelr | cait++ |
| 10:08 | the management was a nice one | |
| 10:10 | cait | thx :) |
| 10:10 | tried to clean up some old permission related bugs for a vacation project | |
| 10:11 | i personally think the renaming acq permissions one is nice too (biased) | |
| 10:15 | marcelr | yeah i ran out of time |
| 10:15 | cait | np :) |
| 10:15 | i am sure that one is not too scary too pass at some point | |
| 10:15 | marcelr | going back to gdpr now.. |
| 10:17 | kidclamp: the new RM should ask why Joubu did not push 19436; he did not want to tell me ;) | |
| 10:17 | cait | hm I was wondering about that one |
| 10:18 | kidclamp | I can ask |
| 10:19 | marcelr | he might respond now since he can read the logs again :) |
| 10:19 | having time.. | |
| 10:26 | htg | |
| 10:28 | eythian | marcelr: you don't need consent for that if it's integral to the functioning of the service. |
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| 12:13 | tcohen | morning |
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| 12:21 | tcohen | @later tell marcelr we really need a way to auto-populate the SRU mappings for the end users |
| 12:21 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 12:46 | Joubu | hi |
| 12:46 | wahanui | niihau, Joubu |
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| 13:46 | * LeeJ | waves |
| 13:46 | LeeJ | hi #koha |
| 13:46 | caroline | Hi LeeJ! |
| 13:46 | LeeJ | morning caroline :) |
| 13:47 | caroline | LeeJ: Did you ever find out what the problem with loc z39.50 was? |
| 13:47 | LeeJ | going to try it now |
| 13:49 | caroline: didn't come up that it timed out but now it says no results found for a title search of Harry Potter.. | |
| 13:50 | caroline | :/ |
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| 13:59 | LeeJ | caroline: I'm going to do everything I can to finish the 18.05 taiga tasks today |
| 13:59 | caroline | OK, I will do some this afternoon. Let me know if there is anything you want me to do |
| 14:00 | I already started on the authorized values for unimarc | |
| 14:00 | LeeJ | I saw! Much appreciated |
| 14:00 | caroline | you can assign some tasks to me if you want |
| 14:00 | LeeJ | let me know when you're going to be starting on things this afternoon and I'll see what I have done by then :) |
| 14:00 | caroline | will do! |
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| 14:07 | cait | bye all, have a nice weekend! |
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| 14:51 | caroline | Does anyone know what "_SESSION_ATIME" and "_SESSION_CTIME" mean in the sessions table? |
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| 14:59 | LeeJ | caroline: hm? |
| 14:59 | caroline: are they attribute names? | |
| 14:59 | caroline | in the database, I have a table called sessions |
| 15:00 | LeeJ | in devbox? or production? |
| 15:00 | caroline | production, but it's a 16.05 I didn't check if it was still there in the newer versions |
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| 15:01 | LeeJ | caroline: I only see two attributes (columns) in sessions for any version...`id` and `a_session` |
| 15:02 | caroline | exactly, but in a_session there is more |
| 15:03 | _SESSION_ATIME: '1504208335' | |
| 15:03 | _SESSION_CTIME: '1504208335' | |
| 15:03 | _SESSION_ID: 006d5c5852e3816bdacc88f6a2dfdcf6 | |
| 15:04 | _SESSION_REMOTE_ADDR: 66.171.160.220 | |
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| 15:04 | LeeJ | caroline: I have to go cover the front desk..I'll take a look when I get back :) |
| 15:04 | caroline | no prob |
| 15:04 | LeeJ | should be back in 5 |
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| 16:59 | huginn | News from kohagit: Koha 18.06 - It's Adventure time! <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2caefdfaa1e06006f> |
| 17:05 | kidclamp | have a great weekend all! |
| 17:11 | LeeJ | kidclamp: so it's safe to say you're starting your duties? :P |
| 17:18 | anyone happen to have a screenshot of the OPAC routing list tab? :) | |
| 17:30 | caroline: around? :) | |
| 17:36 | Guest3141 | Project Koha_Master_D8 build #494: SUCCESS in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/494/ |
| 17:36 | Nick Clemens: Koha 18.06 - It's Adventure time! | |
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| 17:51 | LeeJ | @later tell caroline to expedite signing off the 18.05 manual epic as completed, I'm moving your typo tasks into the 18.11 epic for continuity :) |
| 17:51 | huginn | LeeJ: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:01 | caroline | Hi LeeJ I'm back! I just need to change my config to point to the new remote and I'll start |
| 18:01 | Do you need me to do something in particular? | |
| 18:02 | LeeJ | hmm |
| 18:03 | well I'm moving some things over to the 18.11 epic. Even though they belong in the final 18.05 I feel they'd be better served after we re-organize the sections we're going to work on | |
| 18:03 | let's see.. | |
| 18:04 | caroline: I'm working on the missing auth values right now so if you could start chipping away at the missing sysprefs and I'll pick up where you left off after the auth values are done? | |
| 18:05 | drojf | have a nice weekend #koha |
| 18:05 | caroline | LeeJ: Alrighty! |
| 18:05 | LeeJ | caroline++ |
| 18:06 | caroline | LeeJ: can I take #276 and #285 from you? |
| 18:08 | LeeJ | caroline: take whatever you want |
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| 18:20 | caroline | :q |
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| 18:49 | caroline | For the preference OPACDisplay856uAsImage the manual says that some values are not implemented yet. Is that still true? |
| 18:55 | LeeJ | caroline: that's a good question.. |
| 18:56 | let's see | |
| 18:56 | caroline | LeeJ: I added a task for it, so we don't have to look at it today |
| 18:56 | LeeJ | caroline: did you add it to 18.11? |
| 18:56 | caroline | yes in Housekeeping |
| 18:56 | LeeJ | yay :) |
| 18:56 | caroline | so we don't have to look at it today |
| 18:57 | LeeJ | I'm very happy about that lol |
| 18:58 | caroline | It seems that me too because I wrote it twice, lol! |
| 18:59 | LeeJ | caroline: BTW for your own knowledge I found more info on the ETAT auth value |
| 18:59 | it appears to be for item status | |
| 19:00 | caroline: https://github.com/Koha-Commun[…]orised_values.sql | |
| 19:00 | caroline | Yes, I was not sure why it's there because the values are almost the same as NOT_LOAN |
| 19:00 | LeeJ | at least it's cleared up for our purposes..adding it in now :) |
| 19:07 | caroline: FYI...I did some digging in the French SQL install script for auth values and it turns out that LANG is designated as ISO 639-2 language codes | |
| 19:08 | caroline | ah, ok, good to know. I compared the list to the on in wikipedia and some codes weren't the same. But maybe wikipedia was wrong |
| 19:09 | LeeJ | I'm going by the comment in the SQL file :) |
| 19:14 | caroline: also for your knowledge about RELTERMS https://github.com/Koha-Commun[…]_relatorterms.sql | |
| 19:37 | caroline: how are you making out? I just got done with authorized values | |
| 19:38 | caroline | I'm doing ok. I'm at RESTDefault page size |
| 19:39 | But I'm also correcting things that are already there, but incomplete, so I'm not as fast as if I just went straight to the sysprefs | |
| 19:47 | LeeJ | caroline: I'll work from the bottom |
| 19:47 | caroline | I already did RESTOAuth2... |
| 19:47 | LeeJ | okay :) |
| 19:48 | caroline: can you change the status to closed for the ones you've gotten to so far? | |
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| 20:04 | caroline | LeeJ: ok one sec |
| 20:04 | LeeJ | caroline: thanks :) |
| 20:05 | caroline | LeeJ: done. I'm at UseACQ |
| 20:07 | LeeJ | caroline++ |
| 20:08 | I'll work from Protect and go up | |
| 20:09 | caroline | LeeJ: I'm not sure what UseACQ does. I can't find the corresponding bug. Do you know what it is? |
| 20:11 | LeeJ | caroline: one sec.. |
| 20:12 | caroline: https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]docs-1805/task/77 | |
| 20:12 | I remember that from doing the new feature | |
| 20:12 | caroline | LeeJ: Thanks! |
| 20:12 | LeeJ | :) |
| 20:16 | caroline | LeeJ: Moving to CanMark |
| 20:19 | LeeJ | just finished ProtectSuperlibrarians |
| 20:21 | caroline: I have to help a student sign up with us...so can I leave UpdateItem to you as well? :) | |
| 20:22 | caroline | LeeJ: Of course! |
| 20:22 | wahanui | of course is team work, but I thought it was worth saying it |
| 20:22 | LeeJ | caroline: thank you very much! :D then let me know when they're done/merge request sent and I'll schedule with rangi to break off of master |
| 20:30 | caroline++ caroline++ caroline++ caroline++ caroline++ | |
| 20:30 | cait++ davidnind++ | |
| 20:31 | caroline | hehehe! |
| 20:31 | LeeJ: So you received my request? | |
| 20:31 | LeeJ | caroline: looking at it now |
| 20:31 | caroline | LeeJ: I'm imagining you with cheerleading pompoms ;) |
| 20:32 | LeeJ | caroline: you have no idea |
| 20:34 | caroline | LeeJ: Should we move all 18.05 housekeeping tasks to 18.11 housekeeping? |
| 20:36 | LeeJ | caroline: yes, I'd say so. If you look at what I did here https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]ocs-1805/task/439 |
| 20:36 | I did what I'd consider a recursive linking so we keep a persistent "paper trail" | |
| 20:36 | caroline | okidoki |
| 20:37 | LeeJ | :D |
| 20:44 | caroline | I wish there was a way to easily move tasks from one user story to the next |
| 20:51 | LeeJ | caroline: apparently you can do it from the backlog/taskboard |
| 20:51 | haven't tried it yet though | |
| 20:54 | @later tell rangi 18.05 manual is finished! but for some reason the pipeline keeps failing :( so after the pipeline succeeds feel free to split off master then we can start working on 18.11 as soon as the patches roll in | |
| 20:54 | huginn | LeeJ: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:55 | LeeJ | alright I'm heading out...thank you again so much caroline I'll be in touch :) |
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