IRC log for #koha, 2018-05-09

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00:33 mtompset @seen alexbuckley
00:33 huginn mtompset: alexbuckley was last seen in #koha 6 days, 19 hours, 39 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <alexbuckley> hey aleisha. Are you still in Bali or back in NZ now?
00:33 alexbuckley hi
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02:46 mtompset Well, I best call it a day. I need to be reading assignments to "mark".
02:47 Have a great day, #koha alexbuckley :)
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02:58 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org
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06:35 rangi evening
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06:51 alex_ bonjour
06:56 magnuse morning
06:57 alex_ hello magnuse
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07:14 magnuse bonjour alex_
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07:21 gaetan_B hello
07:21 wahanui kia ora, gaetan_B
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07:29 shohl moin moin
07:36 cait good morning
07:36 wahanui well, it's morning somewhere, yes
07:36 cait ssh wahanui
07:36 wahanui botsnack breakfast
07:36 wahanui thanks cait :)
07:37 cait #koha still waking up I guess
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07:41 fridolin hi there
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07:55 cait hi all
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10:13 nlegrand Good day #koha
10:15 magnuse hiya nlegrand
10:16 tiffin time!
10:33 nlegrand ay up magnuse
10:47 cait Joubu: pointed at you for end of string freeze/translation period on the koha-translate list... hope it'sok :)
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11:08 marcelr hi #koha
11:08 hi kidclamp new RM
11:09 kidclamp :-)
11:09 marcelr khall around ?
11:09 khall yo
11:10 marcelr hey khall does your signoff on 11943 count as a pqa ?
11:10 it is the second signoff
11:10 khall marcelr: yep!
11:10 marcelr do you change or should I
11:11 khall oh, that one
11:11 marcelr the double accepts on shared lists
11:12 khall I didn't set to pqa since nick was the signer, but if you are fine with that you can definitely consider my so was pqa : )
11:12 marcelr ok
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11:32 oleonard Hi all
11:32 marcelr hi oleonard
11:32 wahanui hi dear loon
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12:57 magnuse development meeting in about 1 hour?
13:00 oleonard That's what my digital assistant has just told me.
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13:45 tcohen morning
13:47 josef_moravec hi tcohen
13:48 tcohen hi josef_moravec
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14:00 kidclamp meeting?
14:00 wahanui meeting is in two days, i thought was tomorrow. plenty of time then
14:00 oleonard wahanui no
14:00 wahanui http://i.imgur.com/hVVuP.jpg
14:01 kidclamp #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 9 May 2018
14:01 huginn Meeting started Wed May  9 14:01:10 2018 UTC.  The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:01 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:01 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 May 2018)
14:01 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_9_may_2018'
14:01 kidclamp #topic Introductions
14:01 Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 May 2018)
14:01 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
14:01 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA
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14:01 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
14:01 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart
14:01 #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]eeting_9_May_2018
14:01 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
14:01 davbo_ #info David Bourgault, Solutions InLibro
14:01 cc_ #info Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe Ltd
14:01 marcelr #info Marcel de Rooy
14:01 blou #info Philippe Blouin, Solutions inLibro
14:02 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions
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14:02 khall #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions
14:03 oleonard cait? calire? josef_moravec?
14:03 Joubu qa_team?
14:03 wahanui well, qa_team is alex_a jajm marcelr khall kidclamp tcohen josef_moravec
14:03 Joubu rmaints?
14:03 wahanui rmaints is kidclamp (17.11), fridolin (17.05), rangi (16.11)
14:03 oleonard tuxayo?
14:03 fridolin hi there
14:03 #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France
14:04 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
14:04 coming out of another meeting, sorry to be late
14:04 tuxayo hi!
14:04 #info Victor Grousset, BibLibre, France
14:04 * fridolin has proposed to maintain 17.11.x after 18.05 release
14:05 tuxayo thanks oleonard :D
14:05 fridolin keeping maintaining oldstable
14:05 calire #info Claire Gravely, BSZ, Germany
14:05 kidclamp #topic Announcements
14:05 Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 May 2018)
14:06 kidclamp anyone?
14:06 wahanui Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
14:06 * oleonard is ready to dump piles of patches on y'all as part of Bug 20654
14:06 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20654 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Omnibus: Update two-column templates to use Bootstrap grid
14:07 calire oleonard++
14:07 cait more piles of patches? oy
14:07 kidclamp #topic Update from the Release manager (18.05)
14:07 Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release manager (18.05) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 May 2018)
14:08 kidclamp Mr Joubu
14:08 Joubu 18.05 will be released quite soon
14:08 kidclamp confetti!
14:08 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
14:08 Joubu we are in string freeze already
14:08 khall oleonard+++ indeed!
14:08 Joubu *but*
14:08 I am going to make an exception and push the OAuth patchset
14:09 certainly today
14:09 cait +1
14:09 * oleonard mutters Seems like all my friends have a big *but*
14:09 tcohen +1
14:09 Joubu people should focus on signoff/qa of bugfixes
14:09 and catch bugs
14:09 cait i think the strings involved there will be ok until the .01
14:09 kidclamp +1
14:09 Joubu it's not useful to rebase or dev new enhancements ;)
14:09 cait ther are some patches for the marc freameworks that don't involve translation
14:09 Joubu a side note about 18.11: we really need release maintainers
14:10 and that's all for me
14:10 kidclamp #info 18.05 release in string freeze but exception being made for OAuth patches, please focus on bugs and testing
14:10 cait i think it might be nice to be up to the latest standard with release
14:10 i signed off the first, waiting for qa *hint* :)
14:10 kidclamp bug number cait?
14:11 cait sec
14:11 tuxayo Joubu: " we really need release maintainers" : at least 18.05 Or is 17.05 really needed also?
14:11 Joubu ha, it would be nice to have bug 20720 into 18.05 (I will not have time to write a patch)
14:11 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20720 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Add libraries (sponsors) to the about page
14:12 cait bug 19835
14:12 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19835 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Update MARC frameworks to Updates 23+24+25 (Nov 2016, May and Dec 2017)
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14:12 Joubu tuxayo: we should maintain at least 3 stable releases.
14:12 cait bug 20710
14:12 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20710 minor, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Update MARC21 frameworks to Update 26 (April 2018)
14:12 Joubu but if everybody is willing to run master, it's fine by me
14:13 fridolin ^^
14:13 kidclamp #info please look at bugs 20270 19835 20710 for release
14:13 moving on?
14:13 cait 18.05 and 17.11 is needed, we could drop 17.05 if noone is willing to
14:13 but it would be much nicer to have 3
14:13 fridolin +1
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14:14 tcohen hi rangi
14:14 kidclamp #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
14:14 Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 May 2018)
14:14 kidclamp I am going to ush some this week before string freeze, will try not o leave a mess for frido :-)
14:14 tuxayo Joubu: Indeed, if many people will stay stuck on 17.05 that would be useful: https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences
14:14 Or could it be an incentive to upgrade to not have 17.05 maintained? (just a idea, not sure if good at all)
14:16 * kidclamp points at khall
14:16 khall yes, I'd be willing to rmaint 17.05
14:16 Joubu ashimema_: ?
14:17 marcelr khall++
14:17 tcohen khall++
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14:17 cait so what's our lineup? 18.05?
14:17 tcohen we need someone for 18.05
14:17 ?
14:17 Joubu ashimema is volunteering
14:18 josef_moravec #info Josef Moravec, library Ústí nad Orlicí
14:18 I am late, sorry
14:18 khall kk
14:19 kidclamp #info kidlcmap will push for 17.11 this week
14:19 any notes frido?
14:19 fridolin Joubu: is Bug 20144 for stable branches also ?
14:19 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20144 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Test suite is failing with new default SQL modes
14:19 cait still confused, but think people will hopefully sign up on the wiki :)
14:20 Joubu fridolin: nope (yet)
14:20 fridolin I m not proposing for RMaint 18.05 i will not have enough time
14:20 oki cool (so much patches)
14:20 * fridolin is ok
14:20 kidclamp #action ashimema has (been?) volunteered for 18.05 RMaint - he should update the wiki :-D
14:21 Joubu (Martin asked me few days ago how he could help for 18.11, and if he could be RMaint, that's why I said that)
14:21 (we will catch him when he will be around)
14:21 kidclamp moving on
14:21 fridolin ashimema++
14:21 * tuxayo prepares a net to catch ashimema
14:22 kidclamp #topic Updates from the QA team
14:22 Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 May 2018)
14:22 cait work load wise the newer the more work
14:22 fridolin prepare beers for that
14:23 kidclamp cait
14:24 cait Nothing much
14:24 what Joubu said, focus now should be on bug fixes mostly
14:24 anything that is needed to get us to the release
14:25 and then we will start over, there are some quite big featues in the queue that we will need to tackel after release
14:25 stock rotation, mana and recalls to name some
14:25 kidclamp - #info cait says fix all the bugs or she won't qa your patches anymore ever
14:25 cait happy to see we have quite a good team ready for the next release
14:25 true
14:26 never ever again ;)
14:26 kidclamp #info QA please focus on bugs, after release there are big patches to look towards
14:26 * Joubu is going to remove the "Database Documentation Manager" role
14:26 cait can i jump in with a releas team question?
14:26 tcohen++ signed up for module maintainer rest api
14:26 which i thin is a great thing
14:26 tcohen thanks
14:27 cait maybe we could also find someone to coordinate elasticsearch?
14:27 tcohen I think the RM will be very involved
14:27 kidclamp clrh_
14:27 Joubu kidclamp is doing it
14:27 cait right now we have a lot of bugs and patches waiting, but i don't see how they depend on eacho ther clearly and what is most urgent
14:27 someone to coordinate that woudl be great
14:27 kidclamp I will, but some help too
14:27 cait keeping the big picture
14:27 kidclamp++
14:27 greenjimll #info Jon Knight, Loughborough University
14:28 cait all from me then, qa_team?
14:28 qa team?
14:28 wahanui i think qa team is hunting all the bugs!
14:28 cait hm.
14:28 marcelr cait++
14:28 cait you know who you are
14:28 kidclamp been trying to point out conflicts and guide, clrh_ doc has been helpful we should update it for 18.11 goals
14:28 moving on
14:28 cait maybe a most important elasticsearch bug for the weekly qa email? :)
14:29 kidclamp +1
14:29 #info kidclamp will corordinate ES efforts for 18.11 - may tap individuals for help along the way
14:29 Joubu maybe it's time to contribute to the what's on in koha-devel?
14:29 kidclamp also +1
14:30 Joubu https://annuel2.framapad.org/p[…]_on_in_koha-devel
14:30 kidclamp #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
14:30 Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 May 2018)
14:30 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
14:31 But only lurking.. On school run duties
14:31 tuxayo "what's on in koha-devel" Oh great idea! :D
14:31 Joubu irony?
14:31 wahanui well, irony is of course that he learns it all from humans. ;)
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14:32 kidclamp #topic Way to authenticate patron for REST API - what about Bug 17004
14:32 Topic for #koha is now Way to authenticate patron for REST API - what about Bug 17004 (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 May 2018)
14:32 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17004 enhancement, P3, ---, lari.taskula, In Discussion , REST API: add route to authenticate patron (Single Sign On - SSO)
14:32 fridolin miam miam
14:33 kidclamp lari tcohen jajm ^
14:33 greenjimll In "whats on in koha devel" is it worth mentioning trying to sweep up old bugs/ideas?
14:33 tcohen is marcelr around?
14:33 tuxayo Joubu: "irony": no no no, not at all. It's nice to contribute that less people (including me) are out of the loop
14:34 marcelr yes tcohen
14:34 josef_moravec .I added it, we need an easy way to authenticate a patron by username and password
14:34 kidclamp #link https://annuel2.framapad.org/p[…]_on_in_koha-devel To contribute for 'What's on in koha devel"
14:34 tcohen the main problem with that proposal is that is just replicating the current cookie based authentication we have
14:35 fridolin i think jajm is at the beach
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14:35 tcohen I'm not against having it for people needing it, but the goal is to have full support for other OAuth2 flows
14:36 greenjimll confidential client OAuth2 flows so that back end servers can use it for bulk updates?
14:36 tcohen I mean, until we cover the other flows, we could replace the current controller scripts with this kind of endpoint, but it is a short-term thing
14:36 barton #info Barton Chittenden, BWS
14:36 tcohen greenjimll: that's probably getting into 18.05 already
14:37 this one is for generating session cookies
14:37 greenjimll tcohen: Great - that's really useful for systems integration.
14:37 tcohen which could be in turn used for that
14:37 separate thing
14:38 the thing is we don't have that many hands working on this things
14:38 so, where to put the energy
14:39 I wouldn't block this dev as the way we currently deal with OAuth authentication is far from standard-ish (we do oauth2 for google, but generate a session cookie instead of using the token, etc)
14:39 there's a long road to go
14:39 josef_moravec ok, I will try to think about it more for next time, this was requirement from an external API user, but with full OAuth2 flow, we could maybe do it better...
14:40 tcohen ashimema: thoughts?
14:40 wahanui thoughts are that this might help us fix a lot of extended-unicode bugs
14:40 kidclamp #info bug 17004 may be covered by OAuth developments - involved parties should talk about coordinating :-)
14:40 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17004 enhancement, P3, ---, lari.taskula, In Discussion , REST API: add route to authenticate patron (Single Sign On - SSO)
14:40 tcohen right
14:41 kidclamp moving on but feel free to continuye discussion
14:41 #topic Review of coding guidelines
14:41 Topic for #koha is now Review of coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 May 2018)
14:41 kidclamp #topic HTML8: use Asset TT plugin for linking javascript and css files
14:41 Topic for #koha is now HTML8: use Asset TT plugin for linking javascript and css files (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 May 2018)
14:41 kidclamp #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ipt_and_css_files Use Asset TT plugin for linking js and css files
14:41 josef_moravec does make sense, thanks tcohen and others for discussion!
14:42 Joubu this one is pushed already actually, I did not know we had to vote it :)
14:42 kidclamp we better vote yes then :-)
14:42 josef_moravec bug 20538
14:42 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20538 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Remove the need of writing [% KOHA_VERSION %] everywhere
14:42 tcohen we are voting the guidelines change, which is ok
14:43 kidclamp #startvote should we adopt coding guideline HTML8 as written?
14:43 huginn Begin voting on: should we adopt coding guideline HTML8 as written? Valid vote options are Yes, No.
14:43 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
14:43 kidclamp #vote Yes
14:43 oleonard #vote Yes
14:43 josef_moravec #vote yes
14:43 Joubu #vote yes
14:43 greenjimll #vote Yes
14:43 marcelr #vote yes
14:44 calire #vote Yes
14:44 kidclamp last call
14:44 thd #vote Yes
14:44 kidclamp #endvote
14:44 huginn Voted on "should we adopt coding guideline HTML8 as written?" Results are
14:44 kidclamp #info 8 yes, unanimous
14:44 tuxayo #vote Yes
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14:45 kidclamp #topic PERL17.1 Unit tests should be grouped into sensible subtests that create their own data.
14:45 Topic for #koha is now PERL17.1 Unit tests should be grouped into sensible subtests that create their own data. (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 May 2018)
14:46 * tuxayo curses the latency of using an IRC bridge (from Matrix/Riot) instead of actually being on IRC
14:46 Joubu I think cait added after a discussion with me
14:46 it should be applied strictly, but the idea is to have 1 subtest for 1 method
14:46 tcohen Joubu: we've been kind of enforcing it on QA
14:46 Joubu unless 2 methods are strongly linked and it will need to dup too much code to test them separated into 2 subtests
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14:47 Joubu tcohen: yes, that's why cait wanted it in the guidelines
14:47 kidclamp yes, while it easier to add a test using existing data, it is harder to fix/maintain
14:47 tcohen would it involve having the transaction inside the subtest?
14:47 marcelr ¨unless we have good reasons to do otherwise¨ :)
14:47 josef_moravec marcelr++
14:48 tcohen TestBuilder helped get here
14:48 Joubu basically, in 90% of the time, if you add a new method, add a separate subtest, see t/db_dependent/Koha/Patrons.t for an example
14:48 tcohen before, it was a pain
14:48 Joubu and it's still a pain
14:48 kidclamp is there a proposed rule (i.e. what's the wording?)
14:49 tcohen yohann++
14:49 * tcohen volunteers to write it as a draft (with examples, etc) for voting next dev meeting
14:50 kidclamp #action tcohen will draft a rule (with examples and qa escape clause)
14:50 #topic Proposal: Officially apply Perl indentation rules to all file types. 4-space indentation for new/changed templates, JS, CSS, etc. -- oleonard
14:50 Topic for #koha is now Proposal: Officially apply Perl indentation rules to all file types. 4-space indentation for new/changed templates, JS, CSS, etc. -- oleonard (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 May 2018)
14:50 kidclamp oleonard?
14:50 wahanui hmmm... oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
14:51 * kidclamp wishes so hard
14:51 oleonard We've got a lot of templates, especially newer ones, with two-space indentation. The rules aren't very clear because they only refer to Perl scripts
14:51 I'd prefer that we make the rule global
14:52 marcelr what about changes?
14:52 lots of files with indentation troubles
14:52 oleonard Re-indent changed lines, just like we've done with files that have tab indentation
14:53 Joubu popcorn time
14:53 marcelr may be not that simple in a bad template
14:53 Joubu same as previously for this rule, it should not be applied strictly:
14:54 1. new file: 4 spaces
14:54 2. changes in existing and dirty files should be:
14:54 2a: use the same identation as the block you are editing (unless it's tab)
14:54 2b: there is not b actually
14:55 tcohen the .editorconfig file should probably be updated
14:55 oleonard I think the choice is pretty simple: Either the 4-space indentation is global or: it isn't, and there's no standard at all for other file types.
14:56 ...because if someone wants to say the rule for .tt is two spaces we've got the same argument and ALSO two different standards.
14:56 marcelr i am all for a relaxed migration to four spaces ;)
14:56 kidclamp +1
14:56 #chair tcohen Joubu
14:56 huginn Current chairs: Joubu kidclamp tcohen
14:57 greenjimll I experienced this yesterday playing with basketgroup.tt.  I tried to make my changes fit in with what was already there but its a pain with mixed HTML and Perl in the templates.
14:57 thd Relaxed and provision for exceptions when files have extensive indentation.
14:57 * tcohen secretly loves to shift 2 spaces left TT-specific lines to be able to read HTML more clearly
14:57 kidclamp I have to run, good luck all
14:57 tcohen kidclamp: how could you do this to us
14:57 marcelr stay and talk about tabs
14:58 thd Exceptions should be noted as a comment in the file header.
14:58 oleonard Shall we vote?
14:58 marcelr +1
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14:58 thd s/extensive/extensive levels of/
14:59 greenjimll Whichever way we vote I guarantee I'll keep getting it wrong. :-)
14:59 tuxayo I vote Yes for the proposal of voting
14:59 * ashimema frantically tries to catch up now he's back from the school run
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15:00 marcelr ashimema: you are Rmaint in the meantime :)
15:00 my vote is Yes for 4 spaces
15:00 * tuxayo throws a net on ashimema_
15:01 Joubu Is everybody waiting for kidclamp to write the vote proposal?
15:01 because he left
15:01 marcelr the chair left :)
15:01 tcohen #startvote should we adopt 4-space indentation globally?
15:01 huginn Begin voting on:  should we adopt 4-space indentation globally? Valid vote options are Yes, No.
15:01 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
15:01 marcelr #vote Yes
15:01 tcohen #vote Yes
15:01 cc_ #vote Yes
15:01 greenjimll #vote Yes
15:01 thd #vote Yes
15:01 ashimema Indeed.. that somewhat caught me by surprise.. I hadn't realised the boss had actually volunteered me.. we'd had the chat but I didn't realise it had reached it's conclusion ;)
15:01 all good
15:01 Joubu #vote no
15:01 tuxayo #vote Yes
15:01 * ashimema likes 2 space indentation for perl personally
15:02 Joubu lol
15:02 tcohen ashimema: LOL but that's not under discussion hehe
15:02 * ashimema uses the mojolicious projects perltidy config for all projects other than Koha to date..
15:02 ashimema #vote no
15:03 lol
15:03 tcohen ok
15:03 Joubu I am voting no because it should be applied strictly. ok for new files, new blocks, not to add a 4 spaces alignement inside a 2 space align block
15:03 tuxayo Should the vote have been between various alternatives?
15:03 Joubu maybe it's a yes then
15:04 * thd prefers tab indentation which may appear as two spaces in editor but I think that is a lost position in Koha.
15:04 tcohen Joubu: you agree, you are talking about how we phase into that
15:05 thd: anyone can 'see' it as they like with tabs
15:05 ok
15:05 josef_moravec #vote yes
15:05 tcohen #endvote
15:05 huginn Voted on " should we adopt 4-space indentation globally?" Results are
15:05 thd tcohen: Exactly, which is why I like tabs.
15:06 tuxayo thd: tcohen : With tabs we loose some possibilities of alignment which require a fixed size
15:06 tcohen coward
15:06 greenjimll So does this now mean we've a "you touch it, you fix it" rule for tweaking indentation in existing files?
15:07 tcohen #info Yes: 7, No: 2
15:07 tuxayo But the balance could still be in favor of tabs is the pros are heavier
15:07 Joubu nothing else?
15:07 wahanui nothing else is priority
15:07 Joubu #topic Set time of next meeting
15:07 Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 May 2018)
15:07 thd tuxayo: It would be fixed according to however you set your view of tabs or am I missing something?
15:07 tuxayo greenjimll: what is "it": whole file, method, block, line?
15:08 thd Did we vote about about any issue of strict or relaxed?
15:09 Joubu Next meeting: 23 May 2018, 19, 20, 21 UTC?
15:09 greenjimll tuxayo: Good question. What I was playing with yesterday did bits all over basketgroup.tt and basketgroup.pl. Having to fix the whole file would be a pain, but it would fit in with the "strict spacing".
15:09 thd 20 is now better for me most of the time.
15:10 Joubu last dev meeting at 21, we were 3...
15:10 tuxayo thd "Did we vote about about any issue of strict or relaxed"
15:10 greenjimll Before we close the meeting are we going to decide on what the 4 space rule applies to when making patches?
15:10 tuxayo +1
15:11 thd 19 would be even better for me but perhaps not for others.
15:12 greenjimll 20 or 21 UTC for me.
15:12 Joubu #Next meeting: 23 May 2018, 20UTC?
15:12 #endmeeting
15:12 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org
15:12 huginn Meeting ended Wed May  9 15:12:57 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
15:12 Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community[…]-05-09-14.01.html
15:12 Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]8-05-09-14.01.txt
15:12 Log:            http://meetings.koha-community[…]09-14.01.log.html
15:13 thd Do we vote on strict vs. relaxed or defer to the question to the next meeting?
15:13 greenjimll So we've ended the meeting without deciding on the strict/relaxed spacing when patching existing files?
15:14 tuxayo or we leave it to QAers appreciation?
15:14 Joubu yes, not that important
15:14 thd greenjimll: You may need to add it to the agenda for the next meeting if needed.
15:15 greenjimll Considering the meeting has finished now, we'll have to!
15:15 tuxayo Leaving it to QAers seems the default choice. And we will see how it goes after some experience enforcing the guideline.
15:15 Joubu are you sure we need to talk about space indentation for weeks?
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15:16 greenjimll Fair enough. As I said, whatever I do will be wrong, guaranteed. :-)
15:16 So just do what I don't. :-)
15:16 thd I like the QA deference approach until there is a real problem.
15:16 * oleonard got knocked offline :(
15:16 didn't get to vote on his own issue
15:17 Joubu oleonard: we voted "tabs everywhere"
15:17 fridolin and CRLF has end of line
15:17 * thd will be converting spaces to tabs for viewing in the editor then converting them back for writing out the file.
15:17 fridolin ^^
15:18 oleonard 凸(>皿<)凸
15:18 greenjimll I'm just going to get rid of all the indentation and put all the perl on one line. :-)
15:18 * oleonard brb
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15:18 tuxayo thd: "It would be fixed according to however you set your view of tabs or am I missing something?" : When you have a lot if methods params of argument.
15:18 You can put them vertically and align them. Have a variable spacing with tabs settings wouldn't cause much trouble though. There should be other case but nothing really big.
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15:19 marcelr tcohen: could you add your qa mark to 20695; much obliged..
15:19 tuxayo Joubu: +1 better focus on other gaps in the guidelines rather that these details as long as it's not an issue.
15:20 caroline_ oleonard: did you leave to go scream in a pillow? ;)
15:20 oleonard :D
15:20 marcelr Joubu: what happened with 19436, not pushed..
15:20 tuxayo cait: still around?
15:21 marcelr have to go now; bye #koha
15:21 thd tuxayo: I see that you are considering views other than a programming editor where how tabs display may not be well controlled by the user and thus may not be fixed by the user in any way.
15:23 tuxayo thd: indeed there is that. But I was thinking about the case of some alignments wouldn't make sense anymore depending of the settings of one's text editor
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15:26 KSorbo[ How does one apply a bug fix patch to an existing site?
15:27 I experience the problem dealt with in this bug:
15:27 https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=20693
15:27 huginn Bug 20693: blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, REOPENED , Plack fails, because 'libcgi-emulate-psgi-perl' package is not installed
15:27 thd tuxayo: Yes, I am mostly at peace with converting indentations to whatever pleases in the editor except for trouble overcoming the editor automatically marking the file as modified.
15:27 KSorbo[ I have no perl experience. How do I apply this patch to my site?
15:30 Guest1726 Project Koha_17.05_D8 build #95: STILL UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_17.05_D8/95/
15:30 m.de.rooy: Bug 20227: Check for categorycode in default_borrower_circ_rules
15:30 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20227 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , admin/smart-rules.pl should pass categorycode instead of branchcode
15:31 thd KSorbol: The manner for applying the patch depends on whether you are using koha packages in a particular GNU/Linux distribution.
15:32 greenjimll KSorbo[: In this case you might want to just try installing the package `libcgi-emulate-psgi-perl` by hand if its stopping you from installing the rest of Koha.
15:34 thd KSorbol: The patch merely adds 4 lines of code and you could simply use the patch command.
15:34 greenjimll KSorbo[: actually, looking at the diff install the packages `libplack-perl` and `libcgi-emulate-psgi-perl` as that's what the patch is doing (for the debian control files)
15:35 oleonard https://css-tricks.com/words-a[…]ticle-header-id-2
15:37 KSorbo[ <thd> I am using packages from Ubuntu 16.04
15:37 thd KSorbol: What greenjimll wrote allows you to apply the solution of the patch without rebuilding koha for installation.
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15:38 KSorbo[ If I patch those files by hand, how do I get the system to reload all the dependencies, etc?
15:39 thd KSorbo[: greenjimll has suggested that you may simply install the packages he listed with apt-get install $whateverPackagename .
15:40 greenjimll You can use `apt-get install libplack-perl libcgi-emulate-psgi-perl` and then install Koha as you would normally. That patch is fixing dependencies in the packing, which you'll satisfy anyway once those two packages are installed.
15:40 KSorbo[ Thanks. I'll give that a try
15:40 thd KSorbol: No need to rebuild as far as I know.  Merely install the two packages.
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15:58 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20073: Update DBIC Schema changes <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]023c444df7a7f3cff>
15:58 News from kohagit: Bug 20734: Add warning to the about page if RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials and not Net... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]553d235164186c245>
15:58 News from kohagit: Bug 20568: fix shebang <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4b5fbaa7dd1c2a8a8>
15:58 News from kohagit: Bug 20568: Fix bad resolution conflict with bug 18403 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d80ab16f2cc2366fc>
15:58 News from kohagit: Bug 20624: DBRev 17.12.00.044 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]357acc8096bef06ed>
15:58 News from kohagit: Bug 20568: DBRev 17.12.00.043 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]df74b922db235b8b6>
15:58 News from kohagit: Bug 20624: Net::OAuth2::AuthorizationServer is not a hard dependency <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]cb22e0fc98ba2f312>
15:58 News from kohagit: Bug 20624: (QA follow-up) Add missing POD in Koha::REST::V1::OAuth <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f0fc9d81f83186ba3>
15:58 News from kohagit: Bug 20612: (QA follow-up) Fix typo in method POD <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ff8f35b9c2b8aebb9>
15:58 News from kohagit: Bug 20568: (QA follow-up) Remove unused vars <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d4d9ff3a4bd93e330>
15:58 News from kohagit: Bug 20624: (QA follow-up) Handle missing deps gracefuly <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f6b8fd685843eb562>
15:58 News from kohagit: Bug 20624: (QA follow-up) Unit tests for missing deps situation <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]49bc47fcc7faf7674>
15:58 News from kohagit: Bug 20624: Make staff client respect RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fb9d73f88851507fb>
15:58 News from kohagit: Bug 20624: Make /api/v1/oauth/token respect RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f0487f5c1654c686f>
15:58 News from kohagit: Bug 20624: Unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a922faf19a69336c8>
15:58 News from kohagit: Bug 20624: Add RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials syspref <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]70cdcd1c8f623233b>
15:58 News from kohagit: Bug 20568: (QA follow-up) Remove api-key management from OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d6208b380cc184c28>
15:58 News from kohagit: Bug 20612: koha-conf.xml cleanup <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7346331f93670062c>
15:58 News from kohagit: Bug 20612: Make OAuth2 use patron's client_id/secret pairs <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]03074caf5eff7ec52>
15:58 News from kohagit: Bug 20612: Unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a4d29154cc54ec5e4>
15:59 Joubu here we go
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16:08 bag good morning
16:08 wahanui the only good morning is a dead one
16:09 cait hi bag :)
16:09 bag heya cait
16:10 caroline_ wow, wahanui is so glum today...
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16:31 Guest1726 Project Koha_Master_D8 build #468: SUCCESS in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/468/
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20525: Add --timezone switch to koha-create
16:31 * julian.maurice: Bug 20402: Implement OAuth2 authentication for REST API
16:31 * julian.maurice: Bug 20402: Fix oauth.t
16:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20525 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Add --timezone switch to koha-create
16:31 Guest1726 * julian.maurice: Bug 20402: Don't look at cookies if OAuth2 is attempted and has failed
16:31 * julian.maurice: Bug 20402: Remove dependency on Mojo::Plugin::OAuth2::Server
16:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20402 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , OAuth2 client credentials grant for REST API
16:31 Guest1726 * julian.maurice: Bug 20402: Use TestBuilder->build_object in oauth.t
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20402: Atomic update and kohastructure.sql fixes
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20402: Add missing POD
16:31 * julian.maurice: Bug 20402: Remove useless call to Koha::OAuthAccessTokens->search
16:31 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20402: only output if verbose flag is set
16:31 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20402: DBRev 17.12.00.042
16:31 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20402: Update DBIX schema
16:31 * julian.maurice: Bug 20568: API keys management in interface
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: Add mandatory description field for api keys
16:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20568 new feature, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Add API key management interface for patrons
16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: Unit tests
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: API key management for OPAC users
16:31 * oleonard: Bug 20568: (follow-up) Interface and markup changes
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: Move value => client_id + secret
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: (follow-up) Atomic update fix
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: (QA follow-up) Test client_id and secret are not overwritten
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: (QA follow-up) Make sure client_id and secret are not
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: (QA follow-up) Get rid of the id column
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: CSRF protection
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: (QA follow-up) Remove api-key management from OPAC
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20568: (QA follow-up) Remove unused vars
16:31 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20568: Fix bad resolution conflict with bug 18403
16:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18403 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Hide patron information if not part of the logged in user library group
16:31 Guest1726 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20568: fix shebang
16:31 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20568: DBRev 17.12.00.043
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20612: Unit tests
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20612: Make OAuth2 use patron's client_id/secret pairs
16:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20612 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Make OAuth2 use patron's client_id/secret pairs
16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20612: koha-conf.xml cleanup
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20612: (QA follow-up) Fix typo in method POD
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: Add RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials syspref
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: Unit tests
16:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20624 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Disable the OAuth2 client credentials grant by default
16:31 Guest1726 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: Make /api/v1/oauth/token respect RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: Make staff client respect RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: (QA follow-up) Unit tests for missing deps situation
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: (QA follow-up) Handle missing deps gracefuly
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: (QA follow-up) Add missing POD in Koha::REST::V1::OAuth
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20624: Net::OAuth2::AuthorizationServer is not a hard dependency
16:31 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20624: DBRev 17.12.00.044
16:31 * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 20734: Add warning to the about page if RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials
16:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20734 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Add warning to the about page if RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials and not Net::OAuth2::AuthorizationServer
16:31 Guest1726 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20073: Update DBIC Schema changes
16:31 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20073 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ere.maijala, Pushed to Master , Move Elasticsearch settings to configuration files
16:34 tuxayo bye #koha!
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17:00 Joubu khall: are you around?
17:00 bug 20724 scares me a bit
17:00 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20724 critical, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, NEW , ReservesNeedReturns syspref breaks "Holds awaiting pickup"
17:01 khall what's up Joubu ?
17:01 Joubu khall: Is reserves.expirationdate supposed to be set when placing a hold and no expiration date is selected?
17:03 khall Joubu: not that I'm aware of
17:03 however, it should be set for waiting holds where there is a max pickup delay
17:06 Joubu ok, it's because of ReservesNeedReturns
17:06 bug 20724
17:06 bug 12011
17:06 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20724 critical, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, NEW , ReservesNeedReturns syspref breaks "Holds awaiting pickup"
17:06 Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12011 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , ReservesNeedReturns breaks 'Hold Filled' functionality
17:06 Joubu bug 20423
17:06 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20423 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , ReservesNeedReturns allows multiple patrons to have the same item set to 'waiting'
17:06 Joubu I guess they are all duplicate
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17:13 tuxayo thanks for you help about BZ 20724
17:14 BZ 20423 reproduces in 16.11 if I'm not mistaken. So they shouldn't be linked.
17:14 Joubu: ↑
17:27 * oleonard updated 15 screenshots on the wiki and is now exhausted
17:33 Joubu khall: I have submitted a patch on bug 20724. Do you think it's the good way to fix the problem?
17:33 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20724 critical, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, In Discussion , ReservesNeedReturns syspref breaks "Holds awaiting pickup"
17:34 khall I'll take a look Joubu
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18:26 * oleonard still hopes to get this design polished http://zivotdesign.com/p/#1/15223413373574
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18:36 saiful hi
18:38 tcohen hi
18:39 * cait waves
18:39 tuxayo oleonard++
18:39 looks great :)
18:40 saiful thanks to barton for giving heads up on submitting patches
18:45 i setup kohadevbox on my win8pro laptop with vagrant with sync_repo option. i got the error message at the end "Koha instance is empty, no staff user created.", which i think fine.
18:45 https://gist.github.com/saiful[…]203c7dcb90e0f7088
18:46 it says that "Ansible failed to complete successfully." i don't think it's a failure since koha was indeed installed. am i right?
18:47 tcohen that's ok saiful
18:47 its a known problem
18:47 just do
18:47 vagrant provision
18:47 same command but provision instead of up
18:47 saiful thanks
18:48 tcohen it will continue
18:48 where it left
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18:49 cait looks great oleonard - what's your little search box on top for?
18:50 oleonard I have some custom JS I run on my devbox that puts a system preferences search there
18:52 cait nice :)
18:56 * oleonard curses Microsoft for being utterly incapable of making a decent browser
19:01 oleonard Bye all
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19:26 barton you're welcome saiful, thanks for your work on... uh. that bug. (it's been a long day) :-)
19:27 saiful++
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20:43 * LeeJ waves
20:43 LeeJ hi #koha
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20:56 caroline_ Hi LeeJ!
20:56 LeeJ hi caroline_!
20:58 we'll start at 5 after
20:58 caroline_ no worries. I have plenty of stuff to do! ;)
20:58 LeeJ don't we all! ;)
20:59 davidnind LeeJ: Apologies for the task think (combining multiple bugs into one Taiga task), should have sent a message about it!
21:00 LeeJ davidnind: no problem at all! I just try to keep the numbers matching up :)
21:01 davidnind A challenge all buy itself!
21:01 buy s/be by....
21:03 * cait1 waves
21:04 cait1 hi all
21:04 caroline_ Hi cait1!
21:04 alexbuckley_ hi cait1
21:05 LeeJ alrighty!
21:05 #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 9 May 2018
21:05 huginn Meeting started Wed May  9 21:05:37 2018 UTC.  The chair is LeeJ. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
21:05 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
21:05 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 9 May 2018)
21:05 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_9_may_2018'
21:05 LeeJ #topic Introductions
21:05 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
21:05 Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 9 May 2018)
21:06 cait1 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
21:06 LeeJ #info Lee Jamison, Marywood University
21:06 caroline_ #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro
21:06 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
21:06 georgew #info George Williams, Northeast Kansas Library System
21:06 LeeJ #topic What's been done so far
21:06 Topic for #koha is now What's been done so far (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 9 May 2018)
21:07 LeeJ alright, as of this morning I've gotten tasks created for everything current per the release notes
21:07 cait1 LeeJ++
21:07 davidnind LeeJ++
21:07 LeeJ #info the kohadocs Taiga project is current as of Release Notes 17.12.00.044
21:08 #info currently in queue to be added to the documentation are 11 new features, 257 enhancements, and 19 new system preferences
21:08 yes I did, in fact, count them all ;)
21:08 caroline_ hehe!
21:09 LeeJ caroline_: would you like to mention the work that you and your team have accomplished for documentation so far? I saw you've been very busy
21:09 and cait1 your work too :)
21:09 caroline_ um... Well, I'm the only one doing doc on my team
21:09 LeeJ caroline_: I meant in general :)
21:10 caroline_ Ah ok!
21:10 Yes, Every friday afternoon the whole team does what we call "community work"
21:10 So I either translate of doc, and the devs work on bugs or sign offs
21:11 translate OR doc, I meant
21:11 LeeJ caroline_++
21:11 cait1 Inlibro++
21:11 LeeJ Inlibro++
21:11 caroline_ thanks! :D
21:11 LeeJ cait1: care to share with everyone all the "restructuring" you've been working on? :)
21:11 cait1 I've been working on restructuring a bit
21:12 one of the goals being to make the files smaller
21:12 which will also help translators I think
21:12 another thing is that the TOCs get easier to handle
21:13 LeeJ cait1++
21:13 cait1 like by splitting administration into system preferences and 'rest' we lost one level of headings
21:13 LeeJ which is a BIG deal :D
21:13 cait1 which i think helps to make them a little more readable/easier to navigate
21:13 or i hope so :)
21:13 LeeJ and less syntax to remember :)
21:13 cait1 next i've been working on splitting the next big chapter
21:13 misecellanous
21:14 let me find a link quickly
21:14 georgew smaller chapters will be a lot easier on end users
21:14 LeeJ I agree georgew
21:14 cait1 i hope my changes so far are agreeable :)
21:14 LeeJ especially since a lot of small, specific sections have been buried deep in larger files
21:14 cait1 miscellanous was not linked from Koha
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21:15 LeeJ cait1: I agree with them! Otherwise they wouldn't get pushed ;D
21:15 cait1 but we also removed the numbering from the file names (to not have to renumber them all the time)
21:15 so I needed to fix the links in Koha
21:15 bug 20706
21:15 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20706 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Fix links to help files for changed file structure (removed numbering on files)
21:15 cait1 we need to make one more change there and add back the en language codes int he files for the time being
21:15 LeeJ cait1: would you mind adding some quick info tags for the notes? :)
21:15 cait1 otherwise links won't work right
21:16 LeeJ *notes/minutes
21:16 cait1 #info bug 20706 needs sign-off / qa - It's to adapt the links in Koha to the new file structure
21:16 #info administration has been split into prefs and rest
21:16 #info miscellanous has been split into multiple files now, like links, faq, extending_koha
21:16 i need some more help there
21:17 LeeJ what help do you need?
21:17 cait1 1) can we lose the serials sample ins favor of the wiki page caroline started?
21:17 LeeJ cait1: have a link to that wiki page? never knew about it
21:18 cait1 2) Move 'OCLC connextion gateway', 'Talking Tech' and 'MarcEdit'       into a new chapter 'Using third party software wit Koha' ?
21:18 caroline_ Didn't we already have this conversation a while back?
21:18 cait1 3) Move SIP2 and LDAP sections into a new chapter 'Other APIs and       protocols' right below the 'Web services' chapter?
21:18 caroline_ We voted on wiki vs manual for something
21:18 cait1 caroline_: i was not sure how to proceed, maybe i forgot
21:18 ah for faq
21:18 we decided on the manual i tihnk
21:18 georgew The vot on wiki vs manuals was for faq
21:18 caroline_ ah ok thanks!
21:19 cait1 we could also imagine moving them into the serials chapter
21:19 caroline_ I would move the link to the wiki in the serials chapter
21:19 LeeJ I think caroline_ has a good idea
21:19 cait1 sorry, can you epxlain?
21:19 caroline_ number 2 and 3 are fine by me
21:20 well removing the serials sample section
21:20 cait1 was not sure about the naming of the chapters, 2) and 3) has a patch ready to go then :)
21:20 caroline_ and just putting the link "for examples see ..." in the serials chapter
21:20 the link to the wiki I mean
21:20 cait1 #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]l_Pattern_Library Serial pattern library
21:20 ok
21:20 :)
21:20 one reason i'd remove it righ tnow is i am not sure if all the examples are still correct
21:21 i think the wiki is the better source atm
21:21 LeeJ didn't know about that serial wiki...
21:21 KSorbo[ Question on Server Specs:
21:21 caroline_ I can check that friday if you want
21:21 check if the samples are still ok
21:21 LeeJ KSorbo[: we're in the middle of a meeting...if you can wait a few minutes we'll be happy to help you
21:21 cait1 caroline_: I am pretty sure yours are correct, meant te ones in the manual :)
21:22 caroline_ that's what I meant!
21:22 cait1 ah sorry
21:22 caroline_ I will check and copy them to the wiki
21:22 cait1 my brain is a little tired tonight :)
21:22 caroline_: thx!
21:22 KSorbo[ I have a Ubuntu 16.04 test server with 512M and 1 CPU with 1G swapfile. Koha is very slow, taking 10-15 secs on any screen. What am I doing wrong? Does perl require more cpu/memory than this?
21:22 caroline_ and then I'll remove the chapter
21:22 LeeJ #topic Workflows
21:22 Topic for #koha is now Workflows (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 9 May 2018)
21:22 cait1 ok
21:22 last one
21:22 wahanui rumour has it last one is the first one if you look backwards
21:22 KSorbo[ (SORRY)
21:23 cait1 the chapter with the isbd defualts
21:23 is that helpful?
21:23 could we move it?
21:23 LeeJ cait1: I honestly have no opinion on it
21:23 cait1 https://koha-community.org/man[…]iscellaneous.html
21:23 hm didn't quite link
21:23 i think i ciould get that somewhere i have all 'misc' sorted out
21:24 the isbd defaults and     Koha XSLT Item Types
21:24 caroline_ https://koha-community.org/man[…]tml#isbd-defaults
21:24 cait1 yep
21:24 if you got a good idea, let me know please :)
21:24 caroline_ I have no idea what those mean...
21:25 Is it for the sys prefs when they say to use default or leave blank?
21:25 if we put default it's going to use this?
21:26 nooo! cait come back! ;)
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21:26 cait sorry, had to restart the laptop:(
21:26 frozen
21:27 caroline_ can you see the history or do you need me to copy/paste my questions?
21:27 cait just checed history
21:27 it's the default values for the ibsd sysprefs
21:27 LeeJ cait caroline_are there any other "stray" or "out of place" sections in the manual that could be grouped with the ISBD defaults?
21:27 cait when you install koha out of the box
21:27 the xslt item types ones maybe
21:27 lost all my tabs now :(
21:28 but i am not even sure if the defaults are current, i am not checking content much right now, just trying to sort
21:28 caroline_ could we just make a page for those defaults and link them from the sys prefs chapter?
21:28 cait https://koha-community.org/man[…]a-xslt-item-types
21:29 we could move them into a new chapter, but htat would mean a very small one :)
21:29 caroline_ that way, they wouldn't be a "chapter", but still accessible for ppl who want to know what the defaults are
21:29 cait i am not sure if that works with the way the manual is
21:29 as soon as you add a file to the index.rst it appears in the table of contents
21:29 adding a hidden page might be problematic
21:30 caroline_ ah, then it won't work.
21:30 cait we could slip then into faq?
21:30 them
21:30 the itemtypes could also go under cataloguing maybe
21:30 caroline_ is that where the db codes are?
21:30 in the faq?
21:30 cait i haven't checked closely yet
21:31 hm i will suggest something
21:31 i think i got some ideas now
21:32 tcohen @later tell Joubu maybe we can promote timezone per-instance as a new feature? same for 'supporting emojis'. It feels like they are hidden in the release notes, but very important though
21:32 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
21:33 cait tcohen: you are disrupting a docs meeting ;)
21:33 LeeJ: move on?
21:33 LeeJ cait caroline_: it seems we have a bit of discussion to do for it, but since they've been in the same place for so long, what say we bench the discussion until next docs release and leave ISBD as is
21:33 ?
21:33 caroline_ ok
21:34 LeeJ #action some documentation section moves (specifically ISBD) will be benched until next release cycle
21:34 georgew Sorry, I had to answer an emergency phone call, but are there any other big unweildy defaults like the ISBD defaults?  Is there a potential for putting default settings like that in a chapter of ther own?
21:34 cait i'd just wanted to try and reach some kind of 'stable' files number so the translations can be fixed for it :)
21:34 georgew And leaving them where they are till the next version is a great idea too, LeeJ
21:35 cait georgew: i couldn't come up with others so far
21:35 LeeJ alright, if no one has anything else let's move on
21:35 georgew It almost seems like something you'd see in an appendix or endnotes if this were a physical book
21:35 cait the issue is that I'd like to kill the misc chapter, but i will work out a suggestion
21:35 LeeJ #topic Next steps
21:35 Topic for #koha is now Next steps (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 9 May 2018)
21:36 LeeJ alright, now that my final exams concluded as of this morning I can dedicate 100% of my time to documentation until the release date
21:36 caroline_ LeeJ+ congrats!
21:36 LeeJ so I'm going to send out an email sometime on Sunday regarding a sprint week for next week
21:36 cait woohoo and congrats!
21:36 LeeJ caroline_: thanks!
21:36 sound good to everyone?
21:37 cait yes
21:37 georgew yes
21:37 davidnind sounds good
21:37 LeeJ nice!
21:37 caroline_ I don't know what awaits me next week, but I'll try!
21:37 cait I should be able to spend a lot of a day next week
21:37 LeeJ caroline_: no worries! you've been a great help this whole time :)
21:37 georgew if we do it after Tuesday I'll devote an entire workday to it
21:37 * tcohen is sorry
21:38 LeeJ #action LeeJ will be sending out an email Sunday about the week of May 13 - 19 as a sprint week
21:38 * LeeJ thinks tcohen should be ashamed of himself ;)
21:39 LeeJ alright, I think that about wraps up everything :)
21:39 tcohen LeeJ: hhe
21:39 LeeJ #topic Set time of next meeting
21:39 Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 9 May 2018)
21:40 LeeJ how does June 16th or 17th at the same time work for everyone? if anyone is still interested in helping after the release ;)
21:41 georgew June 17 would be awesome
21:41 cait this is quite late, but i can mak eit work
21:41 could we do an hour earlier maybe?
21:41 LeeJ perhaps we can do 14 UTC instead?
21:41 I don't have classes now so I can do whenever now :)
21:41 cait 10pm instead of 11pm :)
21:41 caroline_ isn't june 17 a sunday?
21:42 rangi morning
21:42 cait lol
21:42 LeeJ hahah whoops..was looking at may's calendar :P
21:42 14th?
21:42 wahanui rumour has it 14th is fine
21:42 cait you are so bad with dates :)
21:42 LeeJ :(
21:42 cait we like you anyways :)
21:42 LeeJ :D
21:42 cait 14th is fine by me
21:42 caroline_ 13 would be better for me or 14 earlier
21:43 cait next meetings?
21:43 wahanui well, next meetings is https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Next_IRC_meetings
21:43 cait no conflicts for both dates
21:43 LeeJ how about June 14th at 14 UTC?
21:43 cait maybe 13th?
21:44 LeeJ ah right
21:44 13th at 14 UTC it is!
21:44 georgew see you then
21:44 caroline_ works for me
21:44 cait thx LeeJ
21:44 LeeJ #info Next meeting: 13 June 2018, 14 UTC
21:44 cait LeeJ++
21:44 LeeJ #endmeeting
21:44 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org
21:44 huginn Meeting ended Wed May  9 21:44:44 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
21:44 Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community[…]-05-09-21.05.html
21:44 Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]8-05-09-21.05.txt
21:44 Log:            http://meetings.koha-community[…]09-21.05.log.html
21:44 LeeJ thanks for coming everyone!
21:44 davidnind LeeJ++
21:44 caroline_ see you soon everyone!
21:45 LeeJ cait++ caroline_++ davidnind++ georgew++
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