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05:05 | fridolin1 | hi community |
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05:58 | petter | good morning |
05:58 | wahanui | the only good morning is a dead one |
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07:36 | gaetan_B | hello |
07:38 | cait | hi josef_moravec :) |
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08:01 | ere | cait: Hi! Sorry about the confusion with 14716.. |
08:02 | cait | no problem |
08:03 | you are right, that we are doing it wrong, but we need to keep the links working | |
08:03 | for non-latin script, so i think kyle's patches can't be used | |
08:03 | ere | cait: sure, encoding new links properly doesn't affect anything existing. |
08:04 | cait: I mean, what I did doesn't affect how url's are handled, only how they're created. | |
08:04 | cait | I will try to test again tonight if noone else beats me to it |
08:05 | ere | cait: If the approach makes sense, I could start working on remaining templates too to make it complete. |
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08:39 | * andreashm | waves |
08:53 | magnuse | huh, noone ever wanted to show subtitles on the "holds to pull" page? |
08:56 | ah, there is something about subtitles in the code | |
08:58 | oh, Keyword to MARC mapping | |
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09:07 | josef_moravec | Doodle for GDPR meeting is here: https://doodle.com/poll/q7s88vqnc5xtf9ev |
09:08 | nlegrand | Bonjour Koha. |
09:10 | * andreashm | waves |
09:13 | magnuse | \o/ |
09:21 | so i added "keyword to marc mapping" for subtitle. what's a fella gotta do to make the subtitle actually show up in the "holds to pull"? open and save all the records? | |
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09:49 | andreashm | magnuse: doesn't keywords to marc mapping only work when xslt tamplates are not used? not sure this is relevant for the holds to pull page though. |
09:49 | magnuse | you are definitely right, but it looks like it should affect the "holds to pull" anyway |
09:50 | unless i misread the code | |
09:58 | ah, looks like i just forgot what "before" looks like and the extra data show up without any special prompting. nice! | |
09:58 | andreashm | ? |
09:59 | got it to work? | |
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10:03 | AndrewIsh | Hi all. I'm resurrecting an instance I used for dev a couple of years ago, I'm seeing a weird error when trying to list/search for patrons: "Can't call method "libraries_where_can_see_patrons" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/C4/Utils/DataTables/Members.pm line 27." Seems the object on which it's trying to call that method is the object resulting from "Koha::Patrons->find( $userenv->{number} );" Anyone got any idea why it might be undefined, I'm |
10:03 | definitely logged in! | |
10:08 | magnuse | andreashm: yes, made it show 250$a too |
10:08 | andreashm | magnuse: nice! how? |
10:10 | magnuse | i'll write it up on the wiki |
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10:14 | kidclamp | AndrewIsh, are you logged in as the db user? |
10:15 | AndrewIsh | kidclamp: No, just a user I created when I installed Koha |
10:16 | kidclamp: Though I do get the same error when logged in as the db user | |
10:17 | Interestingly, printing out $logged_in_user, it's definitely not undefined :-/ | |
10:18 | Oh, crap, ignore me. I just noticed, the error is in fact different when I'm not logged in as the db user.... | |
10:19 | Template process failed: undef error - Can't call method "p_sep_by_space" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/Koha/Number/Price.pm line 126. | |
10:20 | Looks like I might not have a currency defined, doh! OK, I'll do some digging. Thanks for your help :) | |
10:21 | magnuse | andreashm: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ds_to_pull_report |
10:22 | andreashm | thanks magnuse |
10:28 | magnuse: interestingly, it doesn't work on our 16.05 (dev) server. but it works on the 17.11 upgrade server we have. weird. | |
10:28 | magnuse | yup, that is weird |
10:28 | * andreashm | is mostly curios. we don't even use the holds to pull functionality. =) |
10:28 | paxed | AndrewIsh: looks like your db schema isn't up-to-date |
10:28 | magnuse | i also tested on 17.11 |
10:28 | andreashm | curious |
10:29 | AndrewIsh | paxed: Interesting, I pulled latest master, dropped my database and recreated from scratch using the web installer. Do I need to do anything else? |
10:29 | * paxed | has a déjà vu |
10:30 | paxed | AndrewIsh: no idea. but the p_sep_by_space is a very recent db change |
10:30 | AndrewIsh | All seems to be working since I did that though, so I'm guessing you're right, I didn't have the latest schema but I do now! :) |
10:43 | cait | hi AndrewIsh |
10:44 | AndrewIsh | Hi cait ! |
10:45 | nlegrand | kidclamp: hiya, have you read my topic on Koha-devel? “Default Elasticsearch behaviour wrong with Chinese”. I wasn't sure if I should open a bug so I send it to the list. |
10:45 | kidclamp | i will look in a bit nlegrand |
10:45 | cait | AndrewIsh: there was a change in apache a while ago too - if you experience something more odd |
10:45 | if the instance wasn't recreated you might have to do that too | |
10:46 | andreashm | cait: achange in apache? |
10:46 | AndrewIsh | I had some Apache problems yesterday to do with file versioning, but was put on the correct track by some kind souls here :) |
10:46 | cait | that woudl be it :) |
10:50 | tcohen++ #thx! | |
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11:45 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
11:45 | josef_moravec | hi oleonard |
11:45 | wahanui | hi olé onard |
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12:05 | marcelr | hi #koha |
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12:07 | eythian | hi marcelr |
12:07 | etc. | |
12:07 | * cait | waves |
12:07 | marcelr | hi eythian cait |
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12:24 | fridolin1 | cait: le bonjour |
12:24 | * andreashm | waves |
12:25 | fridolin1 | cait: I have added a patch to Bug 18818 |
12:25 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18818 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Signed Off , Manage categories displayed in Quick add patron list |
12:25 | fridolin1 | i 'm not sure how to QA a bug with db changes |
12:26 | cait | fridolin1: yep, i think maybe i was too tired yesterday |
12:26 | i missed recreating the schema | |
12:26 | i didn't realize that's what qa script complained about probably | |
12:27 | schema changes in a separate patch is good | |
12:27 | you can also note in the test plan that schema needs to be updated - it's really easy to do on devbox now | |
12:30 | fridolin1 | cait: ah it is there : 4) Update DBIx shema : misc/devel/update_dbix_class_files.pl |
12:30 | thanks for QAing btw | |
12:32 | cait | fridolin1: argh. yep, will try to be more awake for my next attempt :) |
12:33 | fridolin1 | no pb ;) |
12:33 | i have strong coffee if you whant | |
12:33 | oleonard | Yes please, fridolin1 |
12:42 | magnuse | comments from sip2gurus and others are most welcome on bug 20517 |
12:42 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20517 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Use the "sort bin" field in SIP2 Checkin Response |
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12:50 | tcohen | morning |
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13:00 | oleonard | Meeting in 1 hour? |
13:00 | josef_moravec | oleonard: I think so |
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13:05 | cait | yes |
13:15 | tcohen | hola Joubu |
13:19 | Joubu | hi tcohen, #koha |
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13:47 | Freddy_Enrique | hello guys |
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13:48 | Freddy_Enrique | quick question |
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13:55 | Joubu | dcook_: about bug 13324: That is why I asked for feedback, RFC review and testing 3 years ago. You are 3 years late! |
13:56 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13324 normal, P5 - low, ---, claire.hernandez, RESOLVED FIXED, [DEPENDS_ON_13321] The fund values must be based on tax included values |
13:56 | fridolin1 | how http://splitter.koha-community.org/ |
13:56 | down ? | |
13:57 | Joubu | dcook_: I also do not understand what you are expecting from this kind of comment. You should refer to bug 13321 and related and open new bug reports after you have confirmed there are none yet... |
13:57 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13321 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, RESOLVED FIXED, Fix tax and prices calculation |
13:57 | Joubu | @later tell rangi splitter.k-c.org returns 502 bad gateway |
13:57 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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14:01 | kidclamp | meeting time? |
14:01 | wahanui | mmm meat |
14:02 | Joubu | kidclamp: yep |
14:02 | kidclamp | #startmeeting General IRC meeting 4 April 2018 |
14:02 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Apr 4 14:02:36 2018 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
14:02 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
14:02 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 4 April 2018) | |
14:02 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_4_april_2018' |
14:02 | kidclamp | #chair Joubu |
14:02 | huginn | Current chairs: Joubu kidclamp |
14:02 | kidclamp | #topic Introductions |
14:02 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 4 April 2018) | |
14:02 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
14:02 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
14:02 | kidclamp | #info Nick Clemens |
14:03 | marcelr | #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum, Netherlands |
14:03 | Joubu | rmaints? |
14:03 | wahanui | rumour has it rmaints is kidclamp (17.11), fridolin (17.05), rangi (16.11) |
14:03 | Joubu | qa_team? |
14:03 | wahanui | qa_team is alex_a jajm marcelr khall kidclamp tcohen josef_moravec |
14:03 | josef_moravec | #info Josef Moravec, Municipal Library Usti nad Orlici, Czech Republic |
14:03 | davidnind | #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand |
14:03 | JesseM | #info Jesse Maseto, BWS, USA |
14:03 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
14:03 | kellym | #info Kelly McElligott BywaterSolutions USA |
14:04 | Joubu | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ting_4_April_2018 |
14:04 | the agenda is there ^ | |
14:04 | alex_a | #info Alex Arnaud, Biblibre, France |
14:05 | kidclamp | #topic Announcements |
14:05 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 4 April 2018) | |
14:05 | kidclamp | floor is open :-) |
14:05 | JesseM | Kohacon2018 site is up |
14:06 | kidclamp | #info KohaCon 2018 site is up |
14:06 | link jessem | |
14:06 | JesseM | registration and more info here: http://kohacon2018.bywatersolutions.com/ |
14:07 | kidclamp | #link http://kohacon2018.bywatersolutions.com/ For registration and info |
14:07 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA |
14:07 | indradg | #info Indranil Das Gupta, L2C2 Technologies, India. |
14:07 | Joubu | #info Portland is full of craft beers |
14:08 | kidclamp | moving on :-) |
14:08 | #topic Update on releases: | |
14:08 | Topic for #koha is now Update on releases: (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 4 April 2018) | |
14:09 | kidclamp | #info Maintainers are working, April 22nd is sunday so release will happen 24/25 |
14:09 | anything to add fridolin1? | |
14:10 | fridolin1 | nope thanks |
14:10 | #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France | |
14:10 | kidclamp | Joubu, all yours |
14:11 | Joubu | yes, I have written few points before the meeting, here they are: |
14:11 | * 18.05 release dates have been published (should be on May 22th) | |
14:11 | #info 18.05 is planned for May 22th | |
14:11 | #link https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pip[…]April/050306.html | |
14:11 | Final stretch for big/medium works, if you want your stuffs in for 18.05 it's now | |
14:11 | * Performances - I have done some benchmarks yesterday (compare 16.05 with master (~18.05)) using misc4dev/benchmark_them_all, I have not noticed big performance problems. | |
14:12 | I wanted to test/confirm the last refactoring patches pushed (especially the Koha::Patron move) did not introduce performance gap | |
14:12 | At first glance it seems ok, but it would be great to benchmark specific areas instead of using the basic_workflow.t selenium tests (which only provides us a very wide overview) | |
14:12 | if you face you feel perf issues since the last 3,4 releases, please contact me with info | |
14:12 | if you face *or* feel* | |
14:13 | * Related topic: selenium tests. | |
14:13 | I am in touch with alexbuckley to continue the work on writing these tests (bug 19384 is the omnibus). | |
14:13 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19384 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , [OMNIBUS] Add Selenium tests |
14:13 | Joubu | I'd like to see them part of 18.05 and will do all what I need for that (skip SO and QA as nobody usually cares much about these tests). |
14:13 | * ES - There is a huge lack of tests for the elastic code, we are wandering in the dark without protection - warning! | |
14:13 | kidclamp | #info if any performance issues noted in recent releases please contact Joubu |
14:13 | Joubu | (I do not plan to work on that) |
14:14 | * EDI - Same here... No enhancement should be accepted without full test coverage | |
14:14 | kidclamp | #info Selenium tests will be pushed, comment on bugs if you have comments or concerns |
14:14 | Joubu | (I do not think there are anyway) |
14:14 | I do not have anything else in mind | |
14:14 | kidclamp | #info ElasticSearch needs more exhaustive test coverage (kidclamp,alex_a,ere) please take note |
14:14 | #info EDI could also use more test coverage | |
14:15 | we have a note about TT syntax, cait or documenters here to ask for what they need> | |
14:16 | Joubu | ha, I guess it is for me |
14:16 | I have opened and worked on bug 17961 few months ago | |
14:16 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17961 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, TT syntax for notices - Prove we have an equivalent for our historical custom syntax |
14:17 | marcelr | do we still need such tests for any TT change ? |
14:17 | Joubu | I do not think we are ready for make it defaults for 18.05, but could be a nice goal for 18.11 |
14:17 | marcelr: that's the problem, I do not know | |
14:17 | I cannot remember the state it was when I left the job months ago | |
14:17 | marcelr | i would say no, but ... |
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14:18 | Joubu | we do not know, so we are not ready :) |
14:18 | but we could advertize it for 18.05 and tell people it can be tested | |
14:18 | at least for the letter codes with test coverage | |
14:19 | these ones must work (i.e. you can write the letter template using the TT syntax without regressions) | |
14:19 | others need to be double-checked | |
14:19 | kidclamp | so is work left to be done to convert the old style notices to new ones? |
14:19 | Joubu | we should also update the wiki page I guess |
14:20 | not really, this part is easy | |
14:20 | I think we should: 1. advertize it to make people use it | |
14:20 | 2. get feedback | |
14:20 | 3. make sure the other letter codes (the ones without tests) can be moved | |
14:20 | 4. improve and add tests if not | |
14:21 | 5. update the wiki page | |
14:21 | 6. make it the default for 18.11 | |
14:21 | 1. will not happen so we will have 7. get feedbacks too late | |
14:21 | 8. bug fixes and backport | |
14:21 | 9. break the notices and spam the users | |
14:22 | marcelr | ;) |
14:22 | kidclamp | #info TT syntax should be advertised and tested for feedback and bugs/improvements filed with an eye towards default in 18.11 |
14:23 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
14:23 | sorry for being late | |
14:23 | Joubu | someone wants to add something for the TT syntax? |
14:23 | cait | i have to read back, but please feel free to continue |
14:24 | Joubu | ok, then I forgot something in the RM announcements: |
14:24 | you must update the release notes for bug reports with the "release-notes-needed" keywords | |
14:25 | it will help the documentation team and fill the release notes to document the new features/enh | |
14:25 | cait | i agree with the plan as outlined - advertise and encourage people to start using TT - switch with 18.11 for default ones |
14:25 | Joubu | you should not ignore this, I will send an email to the list |
14:26 | marcelr | push if filled ? |
14:26 | Joubu | marcelr: revert if not filled |
14:26 | cait | already pushed |
14:26 | kidclamp | #info bugs with "release-notes_needed" keywords must be updated with release notes, this helps documentation team. Joubu will email the list |
14:26 | cait | and probably not always revertable, but it's not hard to do, I think we will be ok |
14:27 | kidclamp | #link https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]y_format=advanced Release notes needed bugs |
14:28 | moving on? | |
14:29 | cait | ok for me |
14:29 | Joubu | yep |
14:29 | kidclamp | #topic General discussion |
14:29 | Topic for #koha is now General discussion (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 4 April 2018) | |
14:29 | kidclamp | #info Revive @kohails twitter? |
14:29 | cait | do we have the login? |
14:30 | Joubu | I have contacted Nicole few months ago to get the credential for the twitter account |
14:30 | so I have it | |
14:30 | cait | Joubu++ |
14:30 | kidclamp | David Nind here? |
14:30 | davidnind | Yes! I'm happy to volunteer... |
14:30 | Joubu | but I am not good at that and I think we should revive it a bit |
14:30 | cait | i think a bad time for him |
14:30 | nz | |
14:30 | davidnind | wakes up... |
14:30 | cait | aah |
14:30 | davidnind++ | |
14:30 | Joubu | someone told me that https://tweetdeck.twitter.com can be used for this kind of usage |
14:30 | kidclamp | #info PLEASE add yourself to the Kohaq IRC regulars page - 'regular' is a very loosely defined term :-) |
14:31 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars Koha IRC regulars | |
14:31 | Joubu | like: do not share the credential with several people, but create a team and allow them to post as @kohails |
14:31 | cait | do you have to use a special app to do this? |
14:32 | Joubu | app? it's a website |
14:32 | cait | aah even better |
14:32 | davidnind | Would be good to have a team |
14:32 | cait | soudns good to me, and we got a volunteer :) |
14:32 | Joubu | you login in as usual |
14:32 | then you have a different view | |
14:32 | cait | shoudl we also post reminders about meetings and such |
14:32 | ? | |
14:33 | Joubu | it's provided by twitter, I have never used it but sounds like what we need |
14:33 | calire | you can schedule tweets etc with it too |
14:33 | kidclamp | yes, looks like one person can login and designate a team to use the account |
14:33 | would alos be good for GBSD | |
14:33 | calire | and manage multiple accounts at once |
14:33 | cait | yep |
14:33 | kidclamp | @later tell calire GBSD? ;-) |
14:33 | huginn | kidclamp: The operation succeeded. |
14:33 | davidnind | Didn't have a chance to create a general plan - e.g regular tweets about meetings, etc |
14:34 | cait | at least magnuse and I have the credentials for the GBSD account |
14:34 | davidnind | Tweetdeck looks useful |
14:34 | kidclamp | me too somewhere |
14:34 | Joubu | I think it's the job of several people |
14:34 | cait | os there something that should NOT go on there? |
14:34 | thd | nengard had used some program through which she sent notices to multiple platforms including Twitter. Such multisite programs may become broken from time to time of course. |
14:34 | cait | can't think of something right now |
14:34 | Joubu | things like: "like this tweet from this support company" or "from this library", etc. should also be done, right? |
14:34 | kidclamp | should twitter avatars be listed on release teams page, so one knows who to contact? |
14:35 | cait | i think generally retweeting 'good news' about koha is a good thing |
14:36 | davidnind | use to raise awareness of all the good things happening |
14:36 | cait | yep |
14:36 | davidnind | ..as well |
14:36 | cait | ok, so what's the next step? |
14:37 | i think we are all for it? | |
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14:37 | Joubu | basically contact me if you want to join the "twitter/communication/news monitoring" and we/you try it? |
14:37 | davidnind | yes! |
14:38 | kidclamp | #info Contact Joubu to be added to the KohaILS twitter team, we will see how it goes |
14:38 | cait | We could update this page then: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]n_Social_Networks |
14:38 | Joubu | my main concern is: we should avoid conflict of interest, that's why a "team" could be a good thing |
14:38 | cait | I think we shoudl probably update a lot more of it, but starting with Twitter would be good |
14:38 | Joubu | (there was/is something on the kanban about that) |
14:38 | kidclamp | #info Team members shoudl eb added to Koha on Social Networks page |
14:38 | davidnind | will create a plan for Twitter use |
14:38 | cait | davidnind |
14:38 | wahanui | somebody said davidnind was happy to help maintain if more help is required - the criteria are quite clear, and what it means is quite clear as well |
14:38 | cait | davidnind |
14:38 | wahanui | it has been said that davidnind is happy to help maintain if more help is required - the criteria are quite clear, and what it means is quite clear as well |
14:38 | kidclamp | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]n_Social_Networks Koha on Social Networks |
14:39 | cait | davidnind++ |
14:39 | Joubu | ("that", the Koha_on_Social_Networks wiki page) |
14:39 | cait | plus was not workign :) |
14:39 | davidnind | 8-) |
14:40 | kidclamp | davidnind, you are up about YouTube too :-) |
14:40 | davidnind | okay.. |
14:41 | Joubu | #topic Setup an 'official' Koha YouTube channel |
14:41 | Topic for #koha is now Setup an 'official' Koha YouTube channel (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 4 April 2018) | |
14:41 | davidnind | think it would be useful to have an 'official' Koha Community channel |
14:41 | Joubu | there is one - https://www.youtube.com/channe[…]1-kt84liiG5233BRQ |
14:41 | created by tcohen after the KohaCon14 in Cordoba | |
14:42 | davidnind | haven't had a chance to write an RFC |
14:42 | excellent video by the way! | |
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14:42 | cait | there is a mention on a koha youtube channel on the wiki page for kohacon |
14:42 | but i am not sure it eixsts/existed | |
14:42 | kidclamp | https://support.google.com/you[…]wer/4628007?hl=en |
14:42 | davidnind | lots of uses for community as a whole |
14:42 | cait | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]sses_for_KohaCons |
14:43 | we also got the manual editing video from LeeJ and some others we could add | |
14:43 | kidclamp | so add to social netowrks and similar process to get aded to team? tcohen has the credentials? |
14:43 | cait | ah oops, misread |
14:44 | how does adding to a channel work? admins tag the videos or so? | |
14:44 | kidclamp | davidnind, can you get info from tcohen and write up how it works? then team can be assembled and updated as needed on wiki? |
14:44 | Joubu | my link was the "Koha" channel |
14:44 | davidnind | can create play lists with source from anywhere |
14:45 | Joubu | (misread too, forget my last comment) |
14:45 | cait | we got one, we just have to use it - that's good news :) |
14:45 | davidnind | yes, we should.. |
14:45 | cait | can one video be published in muliple channels? |
14:46 | Editing the manual with gitlab: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiwH7-wO2Gs | |
14:47 | kidclamp | getting long in the meeting, I think if no one is opposed david can go ahead with some work/RFC and we can move on? |
14:47 | davidnind | important that any original videos be published to a more open platform, such as Internet Archive as well |
14:47 | thd | cait do you mean multiple channels other than playlists? |
14:47 | cait | I think I don't know much about Youtube :) that's ok, will check later |
14:47 | move on kidclamp | |
14:48 | Joubu | action? |
14:48 | davidnind | agreed, so I can go back to zzzzz :-D |
14:48 | thd | davidmind++ |
14:48 | kidclamp | #topic Merge local and online documentations (Bug 19817) |
14:48 | Topic for #koha is now Merge local and online documentations (Bug 19817) (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 4 April 2018) | |
14:48 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19817 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Merge local and online documentations |
14:49 | Joubu | that's for me again |
14:49 | unless cait wants to explain? :) | |
14:49 | cait | I will try |
14:49 | Joubu | I am a bit tired to bring this topic up :) |
14:49 | cait | ok, at the moment the manual and the help files are too complete separate things |
14:49 | which means: they fall out of sync | |
14:49 | more: translators have to translate both separately | |
14:50 | davidnind | :'( |
14:50 | cait | so this is not ideal, especially as we don't have the time to spare |
14:50 | we worked out the suggestion to link to the manual instead of copying it into TT files | |
14:50 | the patch also implements an option for having a local copy of the manual by making the URL configurable | |
14:51 | there are still some glitches, we need to figure out, like how to link to the right and existing translated manual | |
14:51 | the positive sides are: no more duplication, one translation to rule them all | |
14:51 | Joubu | that's almost done |
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14:51 | cait | the negative sides are: for now it will not be possible to edit the help files locally any more |
14:52 | and: as we delete the current help files, those translations will be lost by linking to the documentation instead | |
14:52 | I think the main questions are if we can live with those negatives | |
14:52 | thd | cait: A workaround for local editing should be found. |
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14:52 | Joubu | => because of the lack of feedbacks which makes me think people is not interested in that and I do not want to dev something that will not be used |
14:52 | cait | I am not sure it's used |
14:52 | marcelr | is the online help text just deleted ? |
14:52 | cait | at the moment your local edits are killed by the update |
14:52 | without notice | |
14:53 | marcelr | i dont mean local changes |
14:53 | kidclamp | Joubu^ |
14:53 | cait | it's never been implemented in a clean way |
14:53 | kidclamp | I think Joubu fell asleep :-) or is looking at portland craft beers |
14:53 | #info PLease look at bug 19817 and comment if can be considered for 18.05 | |
14:53 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19817 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Merge local and online documentations |
14:53 | Joubu | kidclamp: ? |
14:53 | cait | marcelr: with the patch the files will be deleted, yes |
14:53 | davidnind | totally support, makes sense to me |
14:53 | Joubu | I am around |
14:53 | kidclamp | woops, sorty, all my messages were delayed |
14:53 | just got last few minutes all at once | |
14:53 | cait | if we add something back later, we were thinkging about allowing custom pages |
14:54 | instead of actually changing th emanual | |
14:54 | because that is really hard to do nicely without creating conflicts on update | |
14:54 | but for now it would not be implemented | |
14:54 | marcelr | we will delete stuff in the templates that should have gone to manual too.. |
14:54 | Joubu | which will be stored in DB and survive upgrades |
14:54 | cait | marcelr: afaik nicole only copied from manual to help files |
14:54 | and git still knows it all if the docs team needs something | |
14:55 | thd | It may be that local editing is very little used now, however, the possibility should be considered without necessarily implementing it for the prospect of it becoming a blocker to adoption by important future users. |
14:55 | marcelr | people incl me have added in online pages |
14:55 | other way around.. | |
14:55 | cait | docs team could check the commits to help files maybe |
14:55 | Joubu | marcelr: me too, that was wrong :) |
14:55 | cait | not wrong, just our situation is complicated now :) |
14:56 | Joubu | my feeling is: we do not get feedback and so we should move on and get feedback later |
14:56 | cait | I can talk to LeeJ about adding this to the docs kanban? |
14:56 | Joubu | and adapt what we implemented |
14:56 | so question is: do we want it for 18.05 or later? | |
14:57 | marcelr | one flow is an improvement but rescuing some new docs could motivate people to keep writing docs |
14:57 | Joubu | we did a good work on documentation in 18.05 so I feel like to should be part of 18.05 |
14:57 | davidnind | 18.05+ |
14:57 | cait | my feeling is yes |
14:57 | 18.05++ | |
14:57 | i think looking at the commits and proting them over would also be a good beginners task maybe | |
14:57 | for docs team | |
14:57 | josef_moravec | I am for 18.05 too |
14:57 | kidclamp | 18.05++ |
14:58 | cait | i will beo n qa until freezes, but can try and help after |
14:58 | marcelr | 18.05 |
14:58 | cait | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]035d4d8348ad108dc |
14:58 | Joubu | I will be available to improve and implement what is missing, if someone asks for something |
14:59 | cait | it's some, but not that many in total since nicole left |
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14:59 | Joubu | ok thanks, then you can SO and QA and I will push ;) |
14:59 | cait | kidclamp: action me for talking to LeeJ plz? |
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15:00 | kidclamp | #action cait will touch base with LeeJ re 19817 |
15:00 | moving on? | |
15:00 | cait | +1 |
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15:01 | kidclamp | #topic MARC Holdings Records RFC |
15:01 | Topic for #koha is now MARC Holdings Records RFC (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 4 April 2018) | |
15:01 | kidclamp | ere_away? |
15:01 | cait | i added it :) |
15:01 | ere was asking about feedback on the mailing list | |
15:02 | we are currently working on a program to sync Koha holdings with our union catlaog and we miss the holdings level | |
15:02 | mtompset | #info Mark Tompsett |
15:02 | cait | i think an optional holdings level is a good idea for that kind of thing and would like to ask people to give feedback |
15:02 | davidnind | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]dings_Records_RFC |
15:02 | cait | especially if you have worked with MARC holdings records - maybe in other ILS |
15:02 | thx davidnind | |
15:02 | kidclamp | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]dings_Records_RFC Holdings RFC |
15:02 | mtompset | So is the idea of holdings to allow the integration of multiple kinds of holdings? UNIMARC, MARC21, whatever? |
15:03 | Freddy_Enrique | any tips of how I can accomplish this? I mean, adding a page to my opac interface |
15:03 | https://snag.gy/pOn9zH.jpg | |
15:03 | cait | marc holdings records goes between items and records |
15:03 | it's a structural thing | |
15:03 | Freddy_Enrique | please, I see it really useful |
15:03 | oleonard | Freddy_Enrique: We are in the middle of a meeting right now |
15:03 | * mtompset | points to the topic line above. |
15:03 | Freddy_Enrique | ups, sorry |
15:04 | cait | #link http://www.loc.gov/marc/holdings/ MARC21 for Holdings Data (MFHD) |
15:04 | you use the holdings format of your marc format | |
15:04 | that wouldn't change | |
15:04 | if you use marc21 - you have hodlings in marc21 | |
15:05 | UNIMARC has holdings too - https://archive.ifla.org/VI/8/[…]oldingsFormat.pdf | |
15:05 | it's more like a summary record that can group items, or for records without items make a statement of what your holdings are | |
15:05 | often they are used for serials | |
15:06 | hope that made sense | |
15:06 | all from me, if there are no questions :) | |
15:06 | thd | mtompset: Are you proposing to also encompass the bugbear of serials pattern holdings? |
15:06 | davidnind | cait++ |
15:06 | * mtompset | shrugs, "I'm not a librarian. I didn't understand the purpose of the concept." |
15:06 | cait | it's designed ot be optional, but i guess you could catalog them, if you wanted to |
15:06 | thd | I did not see mention of serials in any description. |
15:07 | cait | but it's not supposed to be used by serials module in the rfc |
15:07 | kidclamp | #info respond on the list or comment on the RFC or poke cait for more discussion of holdings :-) |
15:07 | mtompset | I just noticed "marcflavour" in the table suggestions, and thought it might be a cool way to Z39.50 from differing sources (UNIMARC and MARC21) |
15:07 | cait | better poke ere_away |
15:07 | just trying to move things along :) | |
15:08 | kidclamp | #info or poke Ere about the Holdings RFC |
15:08 | cait | mtompset: i think that's a copy from the biblio_metadata |
15:08 | kidclamp | anything else, or next meeting? |
15:08 | mtompset | Oh, okay. |
15:08 | Joubu | should not we email the general mailing list as well? |
15:08 | cait | kidclamp: +1 |
15:09 | kidclamp | April 18, 2018 20 UTC? |
15:09 | thd | mtompset: Koha is built at installation with only one marcflavour which is not as flexible as it could/should be one day. |
15:09 | cait | Joubu: i am not sure which list it was on |
15:09 | Joubu | kidclamp: nope it's general meeting now, +1m |
15:09 | kidclamp | ah, thnaks joubu |
15:10 | May 4th, 2018 20 UTC? | |
15:10 | Joubu | cait: it has been sent to koha-devel only |
15:10 | cait | may the force... |
15:10 | Joubu | kidclamp: why a Friday? :) |
15:11 | should be May 2nd I think | |
15:11 | * kidclamp | needs more coffe |
15:11 | kidclamp | May 2nd, 2018 20 UTC? |
15:11 | Joubu | yep |
15:11 | or 21 | |
15:11 | thd | 21 |
15:11 | * Joubu | never knows |
15:12 | thd | Where can I vote for 21 now? |
15:12 | kidclamp | 21 is fine |
15:12 | cait | usually first wedneday |
15:12 | kidclamp | 21 is 9am for NZ, so probably good |
15:12 | thd | 21 is still a problem but 20 is worst. |
15:12 | Joubu | #info Next meeting: 2 May 2018, 21 UTC |
15:13 | kidclamp | Joubu++ |
15:13 | davidnind | Is good! https://www.timeanddate.com/wo[…]iso=20180502T2100 |
15:13 | Joubu | #endmeeting |
15:13 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
15:13 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Apr 4 15:13:09 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
15:13 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-04-04-14.02.html | |
15:13 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]8-04-04-14.02.txt | |
15:13 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]04-14.02.log.html | |
15:13 | thd | ... for me of course. |
15:13 | davidnind | kidclamp++ |
15:13 | mtompset | And now for my cheer: 68 sign-offs! |
15:13 | cait | davidnind++ #getting up and staying awake at a terrible meeting time |
15:13 | mtompset | M-F every M-F this year. |
15:14 | Finally caught up. | |
15:14 | thd | Joubu: Remind me of the IRC meeting times preferences survey location please. |
15:14 | Joubu | it's off |
15:14 | davidnind | no worries! |
15:14 | thanks cait | |
15:14 | oleonard | Freddy_Enrique: I think this may be what you're looking for: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]iki/Koha_as_a_CMS |
15:15 | Freddy_Enrique | Koha as CMS, I see |
15:16 | interesting feature indeed, a little complex. Let see how it goes | |
15:16 | kidclamp | I think the poll is gone thd |
15:16 | https://framadate.org/3dAEB8zqQLzzTptD | |
15:18 | oleonard | kidclamp++ |
15:18 | Thanks for chairing | |
15:18 | Joubu++ | |
15:18 | Thanks for release managing | |
15:18 | thd | That is unfortunate. I think it was more helpful than previous efforts at devising good meeting times. |
15:19 | cait | kidclamp++ |
15:19 | Freddy_Enrique | kidclamp++ |
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15:23 | Joubu | thd: poll has been created on Oct 19th 2016 and was called "Poll: Next dev meeting" |
15:23 | answered were expected quickly, not ~18months later | |
15:24 | but it's a general Koha community syndrom, do not worry | |
15:24 | thd | Joubu: I did answer but time and circumstances change. |
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15:25 | thd | Joubu: A few weeks ago there was a change for me between daylight savings time. |
15:27 | Joubu: I suggest that encouraging people to update such a poll continuously as various peoples local clock settings and other circumstances change would be useful. | |
15:27 | Joubu | thd: a useful poll would be: "Give us the time slots you could be available for meetings, and your timezone" |
15:28 | with enough answers we could guess the best 2 slots during the whole year, DST included | |
15:32 | thd | DST varies by country. My more important point was that my circumstances changed such that times which were good for me when I previously answered the poll are different because of my schedule changing independently of issues such as time zone and DST. |
15:34 | cait | I don't think that an indivual poll for each meeting is feasable |
15:34 | thd | cait: :) |
15:35 | cait | the result will be that people will miss meetings |
15:35 | and because some are 'lonely' in their timezone, they shoudl not forever be punished for it by not being in the majority | |
15:35 | Joubu | thd: are you going to start such initiative? |
15:36 | thd | cait: I certainly did not mean for each meeting but for tracking changes over time. |
15:36 | Joubu: The starting point should be the old data. | |
15:37 | Joubu | no, they are wrong, timezones are missing |
15:37 | thd | I would not after the success of such a poll restart the process, merely maintain it for periodic re-examination. |
15:38 | Joubu: However, I could discover the time zones for almost every previous participant. | |
15:39 | reiveune | bye |
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15:41 | Joubu | thd: data are lost |
15:42 | thd | cait: I take your point well and know that inevitably at least the general meeting is one I will miss about half the time :( |
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15:45 | thd | Joubu: At least at this time, I do not propose to restart the effort so soon as there have been probably too few schedule shifts amongst likely participants to make any substantive difference. |
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15:47 | Joubu | ok, so my suggestion would be to alternate between 14/21 UTC (and we do not need to bring the discussion every 2 weeks) |
15:47 | thd | Joubu: I commend you for your good efforts with the poll which was more helpful than what we had informing any previous efforts about time zones. |
15:57 | Joubu: Sorry for the distraction. I think the reason the time issue has come up most recently is that DST has changed over the past month or so differently for different countries and there has been some uncertainty about whether 20 or 21 is favoured presently. | |
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18:00 | * oleonard | wonders if Bug 20520 is going to get him into trouble |
18:00 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20520 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Re-indent moremember.tt |
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18:03 | Joubu | oleonard: you should wait for splitter.koha-community.org to be back to check |
18:04 | oleonard | Yes, I'd hate for an unrebased patch from 2014 to get in my way ;) |
18:08 | Sure would be cool if Bugzilla had splitter built into it. | |
18:13 | tuxayo | oleonard++ |
18:13 | thanks for the cleanup :) | |
18:19 | * oleonard | checks the commit message for the latest update to the qa tools |
18:19 | oleonard | "Make sure oleonard's commit messages are correctly formatted" |
18:19 | Fair enough. | |
18:20 | Joubu++ | |
18:20 | Joubu | you are not the only one :) |
18:21 | but now, no more excuse :) | |
18:28 | @later tell khall could you answer bug 20325 comment 4 please? | |
18:28 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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18:39 | Joubu | @later tell fridolin did you write the patches on bug 17373? |
18:39 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
18:39 | Joubu | @later tell alex_a did you write the patches on bug 17373? |
18:39 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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18:47 | Joubu | kidclamp: you missed bug 20229 for 17.11.x |
18:47 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20229 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Remove problematic SQL modes |
18:48 | kidclamp | Joubu, is safe to backport? will do so shortly |
18:49 | Joubu | kidclamp: it will avoid people to modify dbms config to specify the sql mode |
18:50 | so yes it should be safe | |
18:59 | oleonard | Bye all |
19:07 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 19910: Use span to make translators happy <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a747c99af2bcf2e5d> |
19:07 | News from kohagit: Bug 20115: Add information about this feature in the pref descriptions <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6494e7e0f298e27e1> | |
19:07 | News from kohagit: Bug 19223: Add methods to correctly handle plugin-generated output <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d9ff154f670f27560> | |
19:07 | News from kohagit: Bug 19223: Unit tests for output and output_html methods <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0077aeda82dddc1c1> | |
19:07 | News from kohagit: Bug 20115: Remove sort on rfc4646_subtag in OPAC templates <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]98afa9f1126634934> | |
19:07 | News from kohagit: Bug 20115: Trigger "modified" when sort is changed <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]70fe07b5ff4dc9d80> | |
19:07 | News from kohagit: Bug 20115: Make the prefs sortable <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7a18f82336e6d53c7> | |
19:07 | News from kohagit: Bug 20115: Set the languages order with the pref values <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a2f89cf723277a3c5> | |
19:07 | News from kohagit: Bug 20083: (follow-up) use same logic in opac-showmarc <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d78648a6c41827f03> | |
19:07 | News from kohagit: Bug 20083: Information disclosure when (mis)using the MARC Preview feature <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3a37ce7a9aa715c3c> | |
19:07 | News from kohagit: Bug 20008: Fix restrictions added from memberentry.pl if TimeFormat is 12hr <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]eb8e87ac02b40917e> | |
19:07 | News from kohagit: Bug 19953: Record page: acquisition details: add column for invoice <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]08cc90fa91cd1ef58> | |
19:07 | News from kohagit: Bug 19910: Use the delimiter syspref to name download link <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]89ecd5ded88dc3d85> | |
19:07 | News from kohagit: Bug 19812: Fix confusing holds count values in "Already received" table <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f8ed50ec1ad2f0029> | |
19:07 | News from kohagit: Bug 19578: Remove MARC punctuation in notices (TT syntax) <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a359aef4df952944a> | |
19:07 | News from kohagit: Bug 19267: Rancor - Warn before leaving page if record modified <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]dbcfc0965499b15a8> | |
19:31 | Joubu | tcohen: bug 20521 |
19:31 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20521 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , dev installations should run with problematic SQL modes |
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19:45 | jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D8 build #419: UNSTABLE in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/419/ |
19:45 | * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 19223: Unit tests for output and output_html methods | |
19:45 | * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 19223: Add methods to correctly handle plugin-generated output | |
19:45 | * arouss1980: Bug 20083: Information disclosure when (mis)using the MARC Preview | |
19:45 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19223 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Add helper methods to plugins to output headers correctly |
19:45 | jenkins | * mtompset: Bug 20083: (follow-up) use same logic in opac-showmarc |
19:45 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19578: Remove MARC punctuation in notices (TT syntax) | |
19:45 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20115: Set the languages order with the pref values | |
19:45 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20115: Make the prefs sortable | |
19:45 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20115: Trigger "modified" when sort is changed | |
19:45 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20083 normal, P3, ---, arouss1980, Pushed to Stable , Information disclosure when (mis)using the MARC Preview feature |
19:45 | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19578 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , TT syntax for notices - There is no way to pre-process DB fields | |
19:45 | jenkins | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20115: Remove sort on rfc4646_subtag in OPAC templates |
19:45 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20115: Add information about this feature in the pref descriptions | |
19:45 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20115 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Languages appear in a different order in the footer |
19:45 | jenkins | * kyle: Bug 20008: Fix restrictions added from memberentry.pl if TimeFormat is |
19:45 | * Nick Clemens: Bug 19910: Use the delimiter syspref to name download link | |
19:45 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 19910: Use span to make translators happy | |
19:45 | * kyle: Bug 19812: Fix confusing holds count values in "Already received" table | |
19:45 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20008 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Restrictions added from memberentry.pl have expiration date ignored if TimeFormat is 12hr |
19:45 | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19910 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to Master , Download report as 'Comma separated' is misleading | |
19:45 | jenkins | * jweaver: Bug 19267: Rancor - Warn before leaving page if record modified |
19:45 | * victor.grousset: Bug 19953: Record page: acquisition details: add column for invoice | |
19:45 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19812 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Holds count in "Already received" table has confusing and unexpected values |
19:45 | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19267 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to Master , Advanced Editor - Rancor - Add warning before leaving page if there are unsaved modifications | |
19:45 | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19953 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, Pushed to Master , Record page: acquisition details: add column for invoice | |
19:46 | Joubu | @later tell oleonard about bug 19474, the wiki page does not explain *why* we need that |
19:46 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
19:47 | Joubu | tcohen: please please please put bug 20191 on top of your todo list |
19:47 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20191 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , OAI/Server.t still fails on slow servers |
19:48 | Joubu | (or I am going to remove these OAI tests once and for all) |
19:48 | * Joubu | is locked in an IRC dimension with jenkins only |
19:49 | Joubu | @later tell tcohen: please please please put bug 20191 on top of your todo list (or I am going to remove these OAI tests once and for all) |
19:49 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
19:55 | * cait | enters dimension with a plop |
19:55 | cait | bug 20191 |
19:55 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20191 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , OAI/Server.t still fails on slow servers |
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22:45 | mtompset | Does anyone know what 'stress -c 4' is? |
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