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| 06:53 | cait | waking up to no working internet is no fun :( |
| 06:54 | paxed | @wunder joensuu |
| 06:54 | huginn | paxed: Joensuu, Finland :: Clear :: -9F/-23C | Wednesday: A mix of clouds and sun early followed by cloudy skies this afternoon. High 14F. Winds ESE at 5 to 10 mph. Wednesday Night: Cloudy skies. Low 1F. Winds SE at 5 to 10 mph. |
| 06:54 | paxed | such skies, much sunny |
| 06:59 | BobB | cait: https://www.theguardian.com/co[…]ld-it-possibly-be |
| 07:00 | sorry, you have to know how bad Australia's NBN is to appreciate that one | |
| 07:00 | josef_moravec | morning #koha |
| 07:00 | cait | :) |
| 07:00 | BobB | National Broadband Network |
| 07:00 | cait | BobB: cost me my QA time thi smorning :( but ok, we are back, hopefully stays that way |
| 07:00 | :) | |
| 07:01 | BobB | :) |
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| 07:37 | magnuse | @later tell bag would you consider adding 2 factor auth for the staff client to http://devs.bywatersolutions.com/ ? i'd be happy to chip in! SO bug 14319 |
| 07:37 | huginn | magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
| 07:38 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:38 | magnuse | @wunder bodo, norway |
| 07:38 | huginn | magnuse: Bodo, Norway :: Clear :: 19F/-7C | Wind Chill: 1F/-17C | Wednesday: A mix of clouds and sun with gusty winds. High 23F. Winds E at 25 to 35 mph. Wednesday Night: Clear. Windy this evening. Low near 15F. Winds E at 20 to 30 mph. |
| 07:39 | LibraryClaire | @wunder konstanz |
| 07:39 | huginn | LibraryClaire: Konstanz, Germany :: Overcast :: 42F/6C | Wind Chill: 36F/2C | Wednesday: Cloudy skies. Slight chance of a rain shower. High around 45F. Winds WSW at 10 to 15 mph. Wednesday Night: Mainly cloudy. Low 33F. Winds WSW at 10 to 15 mph. |
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| 07:40 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:47 | magnuse | bonjour reiveune |
| 07:48 | reiveune | salut magnuse |
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| 07:53 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 08:00 | magnuse | hiya alex_a |
| 08:01 | * LibraryClaire | waves |
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| 08:18 | cait | hi #koha |
| 08:18 | eythian | hi cait |
| 08:19 | if that's even your real name | |
| 08:22 | cait | suddenly so doubtful? |
| 08:23 | eythian | I heard that suspicion is healthy |
| 08:23 | * paxed | hands eythian some tin foil |
| 08:24 | eythian | I'm on to you, paxed: https://www.theatlantic.com/he[…]-thoughts/262998/ |
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| 08:55 | paxed | eythian: oh dang |
| 09:39 | magnuse | huh, anyone ever tried to password protect the intranet with apache basic auth? it's... weird |
| 09:43 | oha | magnuse: how weird? |
| 09:44 | it "should" be fairly transparent. unless you hit some caching issue | |
| 09:45 | magnuse | once i log into the basic auth koha does not ask me for a username/password |
| 09:45 | and it says i am the database user | |
| 09:45 | my basic auth username is displayed in the top right corner | |
| 09:46 | oha | apache sends some headers, maybe koha "honors" them? |
| 09:46 | let me check | |
| 09:46 | magnuse | yeah, that must be what is happening |
| 09:47 | on the admin homepage i only see lists, authorities and "About Koha" | |
| 09:48 | oha | it does: if ( !$shib and defined( $ENV{'REMOTE_USER'} ) and $ENV{'REMOTE_USER'} ne '' and $userid = $ENV{'REMOTE_USER'} ) { |
| 09:49 | i think this might be exploited easily | |
| 09:52 | magnuse | as in security vulnerability? |
| 09:52 | if so, would you mind reporting it at https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]t=Koha%20security ? i couldn't explain the problem properly, i think | |
| 09:53 | and better not talk too much more about it here ;-) | |
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| 09:56 | oha | i'm trying to replicate it, then i will |
| 09:56 | magnuse | oha++ |
| 09:59 | oha | with plack it seems safe, probably apache wipe it in front |
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| 10:19 | oha | magnuse: it is safe. apache always intercept those headers. but it isn't if you run it on plack "alone" |
| 10:19 | or if you use another frontend | |
| 10:20 | magnuse | ah |
| 10:23 | oha | but it is meant to work that way, delegating apache for the authentication |
| 10:23 | it should be conditional tho | |
| 10:24 | you could try to set X-Remote-User to an empty string, and avoid the "feature" | |
| 10:24 | or patch C4/Auth.pm and set it to undefined | |
| 10:26 | magnuse | thanks! |
| 10:57 | clrh | hi |
| 10:57 | (am reading the gdpr log meetting) | |
| 10:58 | is there a way in bugzilla to classify the bugs rely on the gdpr ? (keywords ?) | |
| 10:59 | josef_moravec | clrh: |
| 10:59 | there is an omnibus bug for gdpr | |
| 11:00 | bug 18081 | |
| 11:00 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18081 new feature, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , [omnibus] GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation) |
| 11:00 | clrh | great soryy josef_moravec :) |
| 11:00 | josef_moravec | clrh: some work need to be done, another meeting will be held ;) |
| 11:01 | clrh | great josef_moravec - maybe a discussion in hackfest next week will see |
| 11:02 | josef_moravec | i think it will be, but I will not attend to Marseille unfortunately :( |
| 11:02 | clrh | if something happenned you should see it in bz or wiki :) |
| 11:03 | josef_moravec | Yes! ;) |
| 11:18 | khall | @later tell LeeJ take a look at the links on bug 17489. I can POC something in the KitchenSink plugin if you want me to. |
| 11:18 | huginn | khall: The operation succeeded. |
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| 12:13 | magnuse | bug 17489 |
| 12:13 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17489 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , Allow Koha plugins to have translations |
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| 12:32 | clrh | cait: hello, I see the wiki page "Use of cookies" and the "Improve data gpdr page", is there other existing related pages ? what do you think of creating a category ? |
| 12:34 | if nobody has objection I do it ... | |
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| 12:42 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 12:53 | LibraryClaire | hi oleonard |
| 13:08 | clrh | out/4 |
| 13:09 | oups | |
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| 13:11 | oleonard | *:･ﾟ✧(=✪ ᆺ ✪=)*:･ﾟ✧ |
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| 13:14 | cait | wow |
| 13:14 | clrh: i don't know how that works, but i am not against it :) | |
| 13:14 | clrh: if you know how, please feel free to add it. I still need to do a lot of documenting there, help also appreciated | |
| 13:17 | clrh | cait: same ... ok I do it and ping it with the link |
| 13:17 | (I will) | |
| 13:18 | I would be glad to have a small talk about it next week cait :) | |
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| 13:43 | clrh | cait: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]iki/Category:GDPR |
| 13:43 | done | |
| 13:44 | magnuse | clrh++ |
| 13:44 | clrh | (that's nothing, a lot more to do...) |
| 13:46 | tcohen | morning |
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| 13:53 | cait | clrh: sure! |
| 13:53 | clrh++ | |
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| 14:01 | oleonard | Is there supposed to be a meeting now? |
| 14:01 | clrh | I think you're right oleonard :) |
| 14:02 | * thd | thinks so. |
| 14:02 | oleonard | I guess it's on the calendar but not on the wiki |
| 14:02 | thd | It is in the wiki. |
| 14:03 | But maybe not all the possible wiki pages. | |
| 14:03 | oleonard | Okay, it's not on *this* page of the wiki https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]IRC_Meetings#2018 |
| 14:03 | thd | I never check that page :) |
| 14:04 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ting_7_March_2018 | |
| 14:04 | tcohen | next meeting? |
| 14:05 | thd | I did not check to see if there was a reminder to the mailing list. |
| 14:05 | tcohen | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Next_IRC_meetings |
| 14:06 | ^^^ that's the page to check | |
| 14:07 | * oleonard | sets fire to the IRC_Meetings page |
| 14:07 | thd | Yes, tcohen has the best page. The other list is an archive of links. |
| 14:08 | oleonard: The archive page is good for find past meetings but it has been a long time since I filled in gaps on that page. | |
| 14:08 | * tcohen | would set fire to all the wiki with those categories |
| 14:08 | tcohen | its too complicated to browser |
| 14:08 | s/r$// | |
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| 14:11 | thd | tcohen: One long term task I have in mind is to fix alpha sort for meeting pages so that the category finds meetings chronologically. That would be a big page renaming project which is about last in importance of things to fix. |
| 14:11 | Independently, of notice and wiki pages, are there enough people here for the meeting to hold one? | |
| 14:11 | tcohen | the best option is to just drop the automatic sorting using categories and such, and have a normal wiki, then improve |
| 14:12 | thd | tcohen: What is a 'normal' wiki? |
| 14:12 | tcohen | a browseable one |
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| 14:13 | tcohen | check this page and tell me how do you feel in front of it: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]egory:Development |
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| 14:14 | tcohen | the data is there, but just complicated to read |
| 14:14 | a manually crafted TOC would do better I think | |
| 14:15 | thd | By automatic sorting I meant by date in ISO format. Something like Meeting_2018-03-07_General_IRC_Meeting not General_IRC_meeting_7_March_2018. |
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| 14:17 | thd | Yes, I intend to create a manual TOC when I have time to work on Koha again. Right now I have no time to sleep even while filling in for someone out of the country. |
| 14:17 | Meanwhile, anyone else may create a manual TOC. | |
| 14:18 | Independently, of wiki pages, and mailing list notices, do we have enough people here to conduct a meeting? | |
| 14:19 | oleonard | Is the wiki still running on a really old version of MediaWiki? |
| 14:20 | thd | oleonard: Yes, the reason is that to move it off Postgres to MySQL may only work for an old version. |
| 14:20 | oleonard: If we upgrade we may be stuck with Postgres which is insufficiently well supported by MediaWiki. | |
| 14:21 | The only migration scripts are even older than the version we are on. | |
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| 14:22 | thd | Postgres was chosen in haste as a generally good database choice without enough research when the old wiki was shutdown. |
| 14:23 | Doing things in haste always creates problems and I had not seen the MediaWiki page if it existed at the time listing bugs and other reasons not to use Postgres. | |
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| 14:25 | thd | For planning to fix the wiki I linked to migrating to MySQL as the next most important step. |
| 14:26 | I should have time to go back to working on that this summer. Meanwhile, others are welcome to try. | |
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| 14:28 | thd | http://www.winterrodeln.org/tr[…]PostgresqlToMysql |
| 14:29 | oleonard | thd you're in NYC aren't you? |
| 14:29 | thd | Yes. |
| 14:29 | oleonard | What do you think of the advisability of using a 6-hour layover in Newark to take a train to NYC and look around? |
| 14:30 | thd | oleonard: I have not taken the train to Newark in a few years so my information may be out of date. |
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| 14:33 | thd | Infrequent train service and delays in the two trains previously needed had left me worrying that I needed 3 hours to be safe for travelling between Newark Airport and NYC. |
| 14:34 | oleonard | Sounds like I'll be writing Koha patches from an airport lounge then |
| 14:35 | thd | Maybe 3 trains. The terminal shuttle train. The train or bus between Newark Airport and the Path Train. Path Train to NYC. |
| 14:36 | oleonard: Schedule a 24 hour layover. Maybe I can find you a place to stay for free. | |
| 14:36 | oleonard | Thanks thd :) It'll have to be next time |
| 14:37 | thd | So is the meeting now abandoned? |
| 14:38 | oleonard | We had a very productive wiki discussion and then one about trains. wahanui, please compile the logs for us. |
| 14:40 | * thd | needs more sleep between the time he has to return to continue filling in for someone who is out of country. |
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| 14:41 | oleonard | I love it when a patch starts magically working. I'd better put that in the test plan. |
| 14:48 | thd | oleonard: The most important thing to understand about the current travails of the wiki is that use of MediaWiki was meant to be one of multiple experimental tests for consideration as an alternative to the then implementation of Dokuwiki. When the Koha Dokuwiki was turned off as a silly tit-for-tat response to putting up a copy of Bugzilla run by the community, then suddenly the only experiment running became the wiki to which people started ad |
| 14:48 | ding content and time testing, planning, correcting implementation blunders was gone. | |
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| 14:51 | * thd | tries to get some sleep before too many more long hours at work. |
| 14:56 | oleonard | Surely there's a way to export [im]portable data from MediaWiki... |
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| 15:37 | oleonard | @wunder marseille france |
| 15:37 | huginn | oleonard: Marseille, France :: Clear :: 55F/13C | Wednesday: Clear and windy. Lows overnight in the low 40s. Wednesday Night: Clear. Gusty winds diminishing after midnight. Low around 40F. NW winds at 20 to 30 mph, decreasing to 5 to 10 mph. Winds could occasionally gust over 40 mph. |
| 15:37 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 15:37 | huginn | oleonard: Athens, OH :: Overcast :: 36F/2C | Wind Chill: 28F/-2C | Wednesday: Cloudy with rain and snow showers early changing to mainly rain showers for the afternoon. High 42F. Winds W at 15 to 25 mph. Chance of rain 60%. Wednesday Night: Partly to mostly cloudy. A few flurries or snow showers possible. Low near 25F. Winds WNW at 5 to 10 mph. |
| 15:38 | LibraryClaire | @wunder konstanz |
| 15:38 | huginn | LibraryClaire: Konstanz, Germany :: Mostly Cloudy :: 42F/6C | Wind Chill: 36F/2C | Wednesday: Showers ending early. Lows overnight in the low 30s. Wednesday Night: Rain showers this evening with mostly cloudy conditions overnight. Low 33F. Winds WSW at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 40%. |
| 15:39 | LibraryClaire | I like that "wind chill" isn't mentioned for Marseille |
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| 16:00 | * fridolin | sorry i was too buzy for the meeting |
| 16:01 | fridolin | see u |
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| 16:17 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:27 | cait | sorry missed the meeting because of a meeting... |
| 16:27 | oleonard | We assigned you all the work cait. |
| 16:29 | cait | ah, that's what happens |
| 16:30 | oleonard: talking about patches - you slowed down ;) | |
| 16:30 | when do you leave for Marseille? | |
| 16:30 | oleonard | Tomorrow |
| 16:30 | cait | oh! |
| 16:31 | pm:) | |
| 16:38 | oleonard | cait: I picked all the "low-hanging fruit" in my JS-to-footer and Bootstrap grid projects |
| 16:39 | I hoped that Bug 19474 would get moving so that I could build on that. Maybe during Hackfest. | |
| 16:39 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19474 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Convert staff client CSS to SCSS |
| 16:39 | cait | i hope you can explain to me at the hackfest :) |
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| 17:13 | mtompset | #koha. |
| 17:13 | Greetings, #koha. | |
| 17:13 | @seen kidclamp | |
| 17:13 | huginn | mtompset: kidclamp was last seen in #koha 21 hours, 53 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <kidclamp> I usually just hardcord it into the script honestly :-) |
| 17:13 | * mtompset | cringes. |
| 17:13 | * kidclamp | is lazy |
| 17:13 | mtompset | I understand. |
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| 17:20 | kivilahtio | I anybody using an external logistics optimization system? |
| 17:21 | mtompset | I recognize those words, but is that English? :) |
| 17:21 | kivilahtio | mtompset: no idea. |
| 17:21 | mtompset: But I hope you also recognize what I am after? | |
| 17:22 | cait | can you give an example? i have no idea :) |
| 17:22 | mtompset | Sadly, no. Hence, my less than useful comment. |
| 17:23 | kivilahtio | We are trying to cut down transportation costs, by instead of satisfying the topmost hold in the queue, looking a bit deeper into the holds queue and satisfying the most cheapest transfers to fulfill first |
| 17:23 | cait | ah |
| 17:23 | that woudl be similar to the transportcostmatrix but also changing the order of holds? | |
| 17:24 | kivilahtio | also we are looking at implementing more intelligent transport logics together with a university specializing in logistics |
| 17:24 | cait | there is something to give local holds (same library) priority already |
| 17:24 | but nothing else messing with the sequence I think | |
| 17:24 | kivilahtio | like deeply analyzing "demand" for a particular biblio on a transport route and moving items there pre-emptively to satisfy the predicted/known demand |
| 17:26 | cait: pretty much so, transportcostmatrix and order of holds. Maybe we will build or use an external system to run simulations on different algorithms to see how they work with our production data. | |
| 17:26 | mtompset | Sounds like you want a tool to analyze issues and holds and then change the items homebranch. |
| 17:26 | kivilahtio | mtompset: good idea |
| 17:26 | mtompset | Sounds like a plugin might be in order. |
| 17:28 | kivilahtio | But at the first phase I would need a system to run simulations on different algorithms. Planning should we develop it in-house or if anybody is using somekind of a logistics optimization system? |
| 17:28 | Simulations would be important so we can have some confidence that the proposed algorithms actually help | |
| 17:29 | There are a lot of ideas how to improve the logistics, but this project is strictly about developing an algorith to more aggressively optimize the holds queue. | |
| 17:35 | cait | kivilahtio: can't help it but seems unfair :) |
| 17:35 | everything that messes with the sequence seems a bit fishy to me | |
| 17:35 | kivilahtio | cait: in a way it is unfair |
| 17:35 | cait: but it will make the average waiting time for a reserve to be fulfilled shorter | |
| 17:36 | so the organization performs better in that aspect, also less time for items spent travelling == less costs | |
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| 19:39 | mtompset | @seen joubu |
| 19:39 | huginn | mtompset: joubu was last seen in #koha 6 days, 0 hours, 42 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <Joubu> that's why we should improve the manual instead |
| 19:39 | mtompset | Joubu++ # Praises for suggesting manual improvements. :) |
| 19:40 | Anyone else able to process through qa test tool updates? :) | |
| 19:40 | kidclamp highlighted a test case that wasn't covered. :) | |
| 19:41 | kidclamp | thanksm |
| 19:41 | thanks mtompset | |
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| 22:57 | mtompset | @seen cait |
| 22:57 | huginn | mtompset: cait was last seen in #koha 5 hours, 22 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <cait> everything that messes with the sequence seems a bit fishy to me |
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| 23:02 | Abigail | in which table the additional user attributes are stored, thanks for your help |
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| 23:12 | mtj | Abigail: borrower_attributes , i think |
| 23:13 | http://schema.koha-community.org/ | |
| 23:13 | Abigail: ^ that may be helpful for you | |
| 23:14 | http://schema.koha-community.org/17_11/ | |
| 23:14 | http://schema.koha-community.o[…]es/borrowers.html | |
| 23:14 | http://schema.koha-community.o[…]r_attributes.html | |
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