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| 04:00 | CSS | i have issues with bringing my server online |
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| 06:02 | fridolin | hi |
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| 07:18 | magnuse | \o/ |
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| 07:34 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
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| 07:36 | LibraryClaire | hey magnuse :) |
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| 07:39 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:41 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 07:49 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 07:51 | LibraryClaire | hi marcelr, reiveune, alex_a |
| 07:51 | marcelr | hi LibraryClaire |
| 07:51 | LibraryClaire | :) |
| 07:51 | reiveune | \o_ |
| 07:52 | alex_a | hello LibraryClaire marcelr |
| 07:52 | marcelr | o/ |
| 07:53 | eythian | marcelr: you should be out skating on the ice! |
| 07:54 | (not here though, doesn't look safe here yet.) | |
| 07:54 | marcelr | stay inside ;) |
| 07:57 | paxed | @wunder joensuu |
| 07:57 | huginn | paxed: Joensuu, Finland :: Mostly Cloudy :: 3F/-16C | Thursday: Overcast. High 13F. Winds light and variable. Thursday Night: Bitterly cold. Cloudy. Low 4F. Winds light and variable. |
| 08:00 | eythian | marcelr: well, I just biked to work. I'll be staying inside for the next while :) |
| 08:00 | @wunder amsterdam | |
| 08:00 | marcelr | nice wind chill |
| 08:00 | huginn | eythian: Amsterdam, Netherlands :: Partly Cloudy :: 21F/-6C | Wind Chill: 4F/-16C | Thursday: Windy with a mix of clouds and sun. High near 30F. Winds E at 25 to 35 mph. Thursday Night: Partly cloudy skies with gusty winds. Low 17F. Winds E at 20 to 30 mph. Winds could occasionally gust over 40 mph. |
| 08:01 | eythian | yep, definitely nice windchill |
| 08:03 | magnuse | with that wind i would have expected even more windchill? |
| 08:04 | marcelr | hi magnuse : you cant have it all |
| 08:04 | magnuse | hehe |
| 08:04 | i might be a bit confused by *miles* per hour | |
| 08:04 | @wunder bodo, norway | |
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| 08:05 | magnuse | guten morgen BüchereiKlara |
| 08:06 | huginn | magnuse: Bodo, Norway :: Mostly Cloudy :: 28F/-2C | Wind Chill: 23F/-5C | Thursday: A mix of clouds and sun. High around 30F. Winds ENE at 10 to 15 mph. Thursday Night: Bitterly cold. A few clouds. Low 18F. Winds ENE at 10 to 15 mph. |
| 08:06 | magnuse | "Thursday Night: Bitterly cold." eh? |
| 08:07 | marcelr | sounds like norway |
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| 08:15 | LibraryClaire | @wunder konstanz |
| 08:15 | huginn | LibraryClaire: Konstanz, Germany :: Snow :: 20F/-7C | Wind Chill: 13F/-11C | Thursday: Cloudy with snow showers mainly during the morning. High 34F. Winds NE at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 90%. Snow accumulations less than one inch. Thursday Night: Partly cloudy skies. Hard freeze expected. Low 21F. Winds NE at 5 to 10 mph. |
| 08:16 | eythian | magnuse: looks pretty tropical there. |
| 08:17 | here the seagulls and other waterfowl are slowly being compressed into the unfrozen parts of the canals. | |
| 08:17 | magnuse | it sure is! |
| 08:17 | the coconuts are just asbout ripe here | |
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| 08:29 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 08:41 | LibraryClaire | hi gaetan_B |
| 08:48 | oha | is bugzilla down? |
| 08:48 | LibraryClaire | oha seems to work for me |
| 08:50 | oha | now works for me too |
| 09:11 | cait | @later tell LeeJ can you ping me when around? I'd like to ask something about your work on plugins :) |
| 09:11 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:12 | marcelr | hi cait |
| 09:13 | cait: didnt fully get your point on acquisition items on the art request enhancement; i am just interested in separately catalogued records for articles in serials | |
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| 09:19 | marcelr | hi drojf |
| 09:20 | drojf | hi marcelr |
| 09:21 | paxed | tlh - Klingon (Artificial language) |
| 09:22 | anyone got that in any of the 041 fields? ;) | |
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| 09:59 | * andreashm | waves |
| 10:02 | cait | marcelr: was not talking abut acq itemsß |
| 10:02 | ? | |
| 10:02 | my point was that a request directly on a separately catalogued article might be what libraries want in some cases | |
| 10:03 | and that if you found the article and are redirected to the serial, it seems kind of silly for the user to rhave to enter the information again manually from the record they just visited (article title, pages, etc.) | |
| 10:04 | andreashm | oh, good, bug 19469 now has a QA contact! I now know who to bug! (pun intended) =) |
| 10:04 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19469 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add ability to split view of holds view on record by pickup library and/or itemtype |
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| 10:25 | tuxayo_afk | hi #koha o/ |
| 10:26 | andreashm | hi tuxayo_afk |
| 10:27 | tuxayo | whoops, fixed nick ^^ |
| 10:27 | magnuse | hiya andreashm |
| 10:28 | tuxayo | hi andreashm hi magnuse |
| 10:28 | andreashm | hej magnuse! |
| 10:29 | magnuse | hi tuxayo |
| 10:30 | tuxayo | Decimal separator issues are a mess. Does anyone know if there are other bugs than bug 19521 bug 18723 bug 18186 bug 17462 bug 12310 |
| 10:30 | T_T | |
| 10:30 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19521 minor, P3, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Partial fine payment is not working with comma decimal separator |
| 10:30 | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18723 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Dot not recognized as decimal separator | |
| 10:30 | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18186 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Amounts with decimal comma instead of decimal dot breaking payments | |
| 10:30 | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17462 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Pay fines not accepting ',' for EUR currency input | |
| 10:30 | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12310 normal, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, ASSIGNED , Accept different monetary formats as input | |
| 10:32 | andreashm | Mmm, partial fine payment, my favorite function. *Irony* |
| 10:33 | cait | it should get better |
| 10:36 | tuxayo | cait: is there work in progress there? Because that might change my plans to fix the separator issues in paycollect.tt |
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| 10:36 | andreashm | I applaud the effort! |
| 10:37 | hi khall | |
| 10:38 | magnuse | hiya khall |
| 10:38 | khall | mornin! |
| 10:39 | atJano | hi ppl, can someone help? I have a cifs share for access some pdf files link to bibliorecords, but the pdf doesn't show correctly. |
| 10:39 | tuxayo | hi khall |
| 10:39 | cait | tuxayo: meant the partial payments |
| 10:39 | khall | hi! |
| 10:39 | cait | andreashm: with the accounts offsets table things shoudl get more manageable for partials |
| 10:40 | andreashm: but any detail questions you shoud ask khall ;) | |
| 10:40 | tuxayo | cait: that's what I meant also. I case the UI was going to change there. |
| 10:40 | cait | tuxayo: we have a reoccurring problem with Plack and fines |
| 10:40 | andreashm | how are things progressing with the accounts offsets table? khall? =) |
| 10:40 | * andreashm | haven't been paying attention to that lately |
| 10:40 | khall | andreashm: the account offsets is in Koha now! |
| 10:41 | atJano | I have compare both files (the one displayd by KOHA /apache and the original from CIFS) and they are diferent |
| 10:41 | cait | bug 18186 |
| 10:41 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18186 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Amounts with decimal comma instead of decimal dot breaking payments |
| 10:41 | cait | my thinking is, we can't have both |
| 10:41 | andreashm | khall: ah! 17.11? |
| 10:41 | khall | it's in 17.11+! |
| 10:41 | cait | accept , and . as separators the same time |
| 10:41 | andreashm | Nice. We hope to upgrade to 17.11 in the summer. |
| 10:41 | cait | i think the cleanest option for nice would probably to tie it the currencyformat pref |
| 10:41 | input as you display it makes the most sense | |
| 10:41 | khall | andreashm: still plenty of bugs to go thought ; ) https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]raph.cgi?id=18786 |
| 10:41 | cait | and we need to avoid the html5 feature |
| 10:41 | s | |
| 10:42 | * cait | looks at khall for that |
| 10:42 | andreashm | Must see how this change affects our heavy use of api call for fines (accountlines) |
| 10:42 | tuxayo | cait: maybe I can fix bug 18186 by the same occasion. |
| 10:43 | khall | andreashm: it shouldn't affect that, the accountlines table remains essentially untouched |
| 10:43 | tuxayo | cait: avoid the html5 feature really? That's what I was going to propose T_T |
| 10:43 | khall | cait: what are you looking for ; ) |
| 10:43 | tuxayo | Indeed it's not as versatile as bug 12310 |
| 10:43 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12310 normal, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, ASSIGNED , Accept different monetary formats as input |
| 10:44 | andreashm | khall: good! but partial payments could be affected? |
| 10:45 | khall: am I reading it correctly that bug 18805 would change the way amount outstanding? I don't know if I am to fond of that idea. | |
| 10:45 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18805 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add ability to use up account credits |
| 10:46 | andreashm | the way amount outstanding _works_ I intended to write |
| 10:47 | tuxayo | cait: are their issues with <input type="number">? |
| 10:47 | The idea was that it be a fix while BZ 12310 is finished (which could take time: functional decision if this is indeed what we want + QA work to validate that the technical solution is correct) | |
| 10:47 | khall | andreashm: that bug fixes a long standing issue where account credits never go away. Right now in Koha if you owe $10 and have a $10 'credit' your account will be 0, but you still owe the $10. That bug just says 'pay off the $10 fee with the $10 credit so everything is nice and proper again' |
| 10:47 | andreashm | ok. |
| 10:48 | Void payments also seem scary to me. The reverse payment option already creates a mess. (Or maybe this functionality would take care of that?) | |
| 10:49 | As an administrator of such things, payments that are made and then cleared away again, would not be ideal. | |
| 10:49 | khall | Voids are meant to get rid of the mess that reverse has ; ) |
| 10:49 | andreashm | Difficult to track if something goes wrong. |
| 10:49 | khall | it's a much cleaner implementation, puts everything back the way it was, and logs the voids in both the fines log and the account offsets |
| 10:49 | andreashm | ah it logs! perfect |
| 10:50 | khall | it's like an 'undo' button where reverse just turns a payment into a fine of the same amount |
| 10:50 | andreashm | Ignore me. =) |
| 10:50 | khall | lol : ) |
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| 10:51 | khall | I'm happy to talk. I've been geeking over this stuff for years now |
| 10:51 | andreashm | khall: you haven't heard of any progress for bug 19469 have you? I saw Tomas now listed as QA contact. |
| 10:51 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19469 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add ability to split view of holds view on record by pickup library and/or itemtype |
| 10:51 | khall | ah, yes. I'll have to ping Tomas about that. Better make sure it still applies! |
| 10:52 | atJano | hi ppl, can someone help? I have a cifs share for access some pdf files link to bibliorecords, but the pdf doesn't show correctly. |
| 10:52 | andreashm | Good. I'll ping him as well. |
| 10:52 | atJano | I have compare both files (the one displayd by KOHA /apache and the original from CIFS) and they are diferent |
| 10:56 | * tuxayo | <3 lists.koha-community.org (mailman) that sends periodically an email with my password in it. |
| 10:57 | cait | sorry, was afk, reading back, will answer |
| 10:59 | tuxayo: i will try to dig up the bug | |
| 10:59 | the problem is that it changes validation depending on the language you select | |
| 11:00 | so if you look at german templates, the form thing expects , as separator and will complain otherwise | |
| 11:00 | switch to english, . | |
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| 11:02 | cait | tuxayo: i think it will apply whenever you enter decimal |
| 11:02 | but can't spot the right bug right now where it hought i had fixed it... maybe i only did it locally *hides* | |
| 11:04 | tuxayo: http://paste.koha-community.org/59 | |
| 11:04 | i am quite sure i brought it up at a meeting, not sure why I didn't patch it properly in the end | |
| 11:05 | morning kidclamp | |
| 11:05 | Joubu: ping me when you are around plz? | |
| 11:06 | tuxayo | cait: the 2 other tabs already work like that. (type="number") Would it be acceptable to have a bit too restrictive validation (to get rid of the truncating and x100 bug) ? While a more flexible validation will be developed. |
| 11:06 | paste: this only accepts "." right? | |
| 11:07 | cait | tuxayo: yes |
| 11:07 | it was the fastest 'hot fix' I could come up with | |
| 11:08 | tuxayo: the problem is ont too strict validation - it made it impossible to enter amounts | |
| 11:08 | install german templates, try to enter 1.10 | |
| 11:09 | and have it correctly deducted from an existing fine | |
| 11:09 | it won't work with 'number' | |
| 11:09 | the problem is that the browser tries to be super clever - changing the input format around depending on the language in the body | |
| 11:10 | what I said earlier - I don't think you can allow comma and . at the same time | |
| 11:10 | tuxayo | cait: Why? |
| 11:10 | cait | what happens if an american library enters 1.000 (thousands separator) |
| 11:10 | in acq for example | |
| 11:10 | ah sorry | |
| 11:10 | 1,000 = 1000 in US | |
| 11:10 | khall: right? | |
| 11:10 | tuxayo | cait: 1.000 is one in the US right? |
| 11:11 | cait | yes, and 1000 in german |
| 11:11 | german and US are good examples because between them it's just switched | |
| 11:11 | decimal and thousand separators | |
| 11:11 | tuxayo | cait: 1,000.40 ? |
| 11:11 | cait | 1.000,50 in German |
| 11:11 | tuxayo | ↑another example |
| 11:11 | T_T | |
| 11:11 | khall | right cait |
| 11:11 | 1,000.50 in US | |
| 11:12 | cait | that's why i think 'allow it all' leads to problems along the road |
| 11:12 | i think swiss is 1'000,00 | |
| 11:13 | tuxayo | cait: swiss: only handwrited maybe (hopefully) |
| 11:14 | cait | the currencyformat pref has swiss now too |
| 11:14 | kidclamp | morning cait |
| 11:14 | et al | |
| 11:14 | cait | that's why i think tying currencyformat = display and input together could make sense |
| 11:14 | having to wrtie them as i see with thousand separators optional | |
| 11:15 | sorry for typos :) | |
| 11:15 | tuxayo | cait: «'allow it all' leads to problems along the road» → More problems than the current? (trucation and x100 to some sums) |
| 11:15 | cait | it works currently if you stick to . |
| 11:15 | and remove the HTML5 number | |
| 11:16 | well or switch to English templates before doing anything with money... but that's not really nice | |
| 11:17 | bug 17098 | |
| 11:17 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17098 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Validation problems with form field type "number" (decimal separator) |
| 11:17 | cait | found it |
| 11:17 | tuxayo | cait: too much user don't thinks about trying "." when seeing a truncated amount. |
| 11:17 | About type="number" that means that enough users don't type number consistently with the language of the interface? | |
| 11:18 | thanks for BZ 17098 | |
| 11:18 | cait | koha doesn't aceept it |
| 11:18 | the validator forces you to use , and then koha truncatesit | |
| 11:18 | because it doesn't understand , as decimal separator | |
| 11:19 | we've had a lot of fun with that kind of problems when implementing Koha for the Goehte libraries | |
| 11:19 | that's also why I had to patch it quickly | |
| 11:20 | and it got a bit lost | |
| 11:20 | paxed | oh boy. |
| 11:20 | cait | paxed: what kind of formatting is right for Finland? |
| 11:21 | tuxayo | cait: even if we type "," Firefox sends a "." to the server. (with type="number") Was that with other browsers? |
| 11:21 | oha | I wish one day we all agree in ISO dates and using dots for decimal separator and only ' for thousands, if any :) |
| 11:21 | cait | tuxayo: i think we shoudl allow comma - just think not at the same time allow . :) Have a pref to set it to the kind of formatting you want to allow and use that everywhere, like we do for dates |
| 11:22 | tuxayo: it might depend on the browser or if javascript is involved before it's send? | |
| 11:22 | we definitely had problems with it and then plack made things worse | |
| 11:22 | kidclamp | cait just separate the dollars and cents fields, make it two inputs :-b |
| 11:22 | cait | it seems hard to believe, but the locale chosen for plack changed the appearance of amounts in the KOha GUI |
| 11:23 | when turned to german, we suddenly had , and also problems with input | |
| 11:24 | paxed | cait: officially "1 234,56 €" |
| 11:24 | cait | tuxayo: bug 18186 |
| 11:24 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18186 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Amounts with decimal comma instead of decimal dot breaking payments |
| 11:25 | cait | tuxayo: it's all over messy. I thinkt he more simple the solution, the better |
| 11:27 | paxed | i'd test for non-alphanum before "00" at end of string, then that's the cents or whatever, the rest gets non-numeric chars stripped ;P |
| 11:27 | cait | hm the last 2 numeric |
| 11:27 | but you can also enter 1 | |
| 11:28 | i think overall: allow one valid format for input (don't try 'accept all and Koha will figure it out) | |
| 11:29 | and either 1) make it dependent on the browser language and react to it (bit dangerous as we'd need to know what each language expected) | |
| 11:29 | 2) have a global setting | |
| 11:29 | (browser language = template language) | |
| 11:30 | i prefer 2 a bit because we also have a global setting for how to display | |
| 11:30 | paxed | same |
| 11:30 | cait | that's my horror stories for today ;) |
| 11:31 | bbl | |
| 11:37 | atJano | hi ppl, can someone help? I have a cifs share for access some pdf files link to bibliorecords, but the pdf doesn't show correctly. |
| 11:37 | I have compare both files (the one displayd by KOHA /apache and the original from CIFS) and they are diferent | |
| 11:38 | it seens that koha/apache has made changes to the file | |
| 11:38 | cait | atJano: sorry, we don't use the upload file feature |
| 11:38 | but i think you need to give more information too | |
| 11:38 | what version of Koha? what means not showing correctly? | |
| 11:40 | atJano | version 17.11, I don't use the upload feature also |
| 11:41 | i mounted a shared directory windows 2013 that as the pdf files | |
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| 11:42 | atJano | everything works but the file that koha shows is changed by KOHA/apache |
| 11:48 | cait | i don't thin it's changed by Koha |
| 11:48 | if you don't use the feature in Koha | |
| 11:48 | in which way changed? can't be opened? | |
| 11:58 | atJano | It's starts to open but then stops and the body it's worng... |
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| 11:59 | atJano | I select do save link as to compare with the original and they have some lines changes (I use the winmerge to compare files) |
| 12:04 | eythian | what is the nature of the changes? |
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| 12:37 | Bhavesh | Hello Friends |
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| 12:38 | Bhavesh | any one can help, I like to link OPAC with web site of the LIBRARY, Please |
| 12:38 | KOHA is working on "localhost" | |
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| 12:40 | * tuxayo | sent a long message: tuxayo_2018-03-01_12:40:04.txt <https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]NUeSWBfykmPcqLqRq> |
| 12:40 | oleonard | Hi all |
| 12:40 | tuxayo | Oh no... |
| 12:40 | I'll send part by part | |
| 12:41 | cait: | |
| 12:41 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:41 | tuxayo | «we shoudl allow comma - just think not at the same time allow» Then I could tweak your regex do to that. Would such a patch be okay (I fear the "ultimate patch" will take a lot of time to be ready) |
| 12:41 | «it might depend on the browser or if javascript is involved before it's send?» No JS involved AFAIK, but yes it depends of the browser. Do you remember which caused problems to check if that's still valid. | |
| 12:41 | «it's all over messy. I think the more simple the solution, the better» +1 | |
| 12:41 | That's why I'm hoping to split the issue in two to fix the truncations and x100 case before the rest (1.000,5) | |
| 12:42 | hi oleonard , hi tcohen_ | |
| 12:43 | oha | the idea of using a secondary field for cents is great, but there are a bounch of currencies that use thousandths instead, and it will make it messy |
| 12:44 | (actually there are 2 that use fifths) | |
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| 12:59 | tuxayo | oha: If the decimal field lets type 3 digits, then it's okay for all use-cases isn't it? |
| 12:59 | Using a separate field is inconvenient for pasting and copying. | |
| 13:00 | oha | tuxayo: no. if i type 50, do i mean 0.050 or 0.50 ? |
| 13:00 | tuxayo | oha: oh noooooo T_T |
| 13:00 | indeed | |
| 13:01 | oha | tuxayo: and in mauritania you might have to write 2/5 :) |
| 13:01 | Joubu | hi #koha |
| 13:01 | oha | if you know upfront the locale, you can parse a string properly tho |
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| 13:03 | tuxayo | oha: how do you write "three and four fifths" in Mauritania |
| 13:03 | oha | i don't know. i've never been there |
| 13:03 | i found the info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]lating_currencies | |
| 13:04 | but i guess i would say 3 4/5 | |
| 13:04 | maybe 3+4/5 | |
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| 13:06 | tuxayo | oha: Maybe there a JS library that magically handles everything? ^^" |
| 13:07 | oha | tuxayo: usually there are few hundreads, of which most of them fails in several cases.... :( |
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| 13:08 | tuxayo | oha: actually I'm relieved that there is nothing else that 1000th, 100th 10th and 5th. It could have been worse. |
| 13:08 | oha | the good news is that i can't find other cases than 1) no decimal, 2) cents, 3) thousandths 4) fifths |
| 13:08 | tuxayo | s/that/than |
| 13:08 | oha | tuxayo: yeah exactly. and hopefully it won't change anytime soon |
| 13:08 | tuxayo | ^^ |
| 13:09 | Joubu | the code of this in/out stuff is scary (cf ML) |
| 13:09 | oha | OTOH, 99.9% of the cases are probably in the first 2 categories, so you might want to propose 2 fields and the second accept cents |
| 13:09 | tuxayo | oha: You mean a country that invent something else? (now I know what my next nightmares will be about) |
| 13:10 | oha | tuxayo: oh yes. they even invented "half hours" timezones... so expect the worst, always |
| 13:12 | Joubu | what's the context of this discussion, is it related to a patch? |
| 13:12 | tuxayo | oha: Even 45 min round timezones actually https://www.timeanddate.com/ti[…]-interesting.html |
| 13:13 | eythian | oha: New Zealand has a 45 minute tz |
| 13:13 | oha | Joubu: not sure. i jumped in explaining why you should not expect only cents |
| 13:13 | eythian | oh, tuxayo beat me to it. |
| 13:13 | oha | TIL |
| 13:13 | tuxayo | Joubu: It's about bug 19521 bug 18723 bug 18186 bug 17462 bug 12310 |
| 13:13 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19521 minor, P3, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Partial fine payment is not working with comma decimal separator |
| 13:13 | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18723 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Dot not recognized as decimal separator | |
| 13:13 | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18186 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Plack config: Amounts with decimal comma instead of decimal dot breaking payments | |
| 13:13 | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17462 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Pay fines not accepting ',' for EUR currency input | |
| 13:13 | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12310 normal, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, ASSIGNED , Accept different monetary formats as input | |
| 13:13 | tuxayo | And the others I haven't found yet. Are there others actually? |
| 13:14 | oha | tuxayo: luckily, there won't be fractional numbers of bugs on this... |
| 13:14 | petter | For inspiration, check out the source code for the number formatters from the ICU project.. I guess it should be fairly complete, taking into account all locale information |
| 13:17 | tuxayo | Joubu: I was hoping to find a simple fix to handle the worse part of the bugs (decimal truncation and x100 of the amounts) while a super complete solution while be ready (in a very long time). |
| 13:18 | oha | if you have a table for all the currencies, and based on the currenty you have an optional secondary field with a label, then that second field might be "[ ... ] /1000" or "[ ... ] cents/pennies" or "[ ... ] /5" |
| 13:19 | so if you type 50 in the /1000 field, you know you mean 0.050 | |
| 13:20 | maybe a formatter in js could pad the missing zeroes on focus lost | |
| 13:20 | but I haven't followed the discussion on the ML (alas! I know!) | |
| 13:20 | I'm just giving my 20 thousandths here | |
| 13:20 | tuxayo | oha: «on focus lost» Does it's still work if the user press «enter» while the focus is still in the field? |
| 13:22 | oha | no, but it doesn't matter. the server has to do the same in case js is disabled |
| 13:23 | it is just to help understanding you mean 050 if you type 50 and we expect /1000 | |
| 13:23 | tuxayo | oha: Koha support disabled JS in the staff? |
| 13:23 | oha | *shrugs* |
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| 13:25 | tuxayo | oha: Maybe it's wiser to handle the 10th and 5th in the third patch? |
| 13:25 | Can we find somewhere information about that? That's critical to know because that's excludes a lot of solutions. (more broad topic than the decimal separators) | |
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| 13:39 | oha | tuxayo: not to me to say |
| 13:41 | tuxayo | oha: thanks for raising this potential issue, I'll be careful. |
| 13:47 | oha | tuxayo: sorry, i didn't mean to sound dismissive. |
| 13:47 | I believe a fields for the cents is good enough. but YMMV | |
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| 13:54 | Joubu | tuxayo: looks like related to bug 17098 as well |
| 13:54 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17098 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Validation problems with form field type "number" (decimal separator) |
| 13:55 | oha | tuxayo: just found this: https://developer.mozilla.org/[…]ects/NumberFormat |
| 13:55 | Joubu | (just to add one more to your list :D) |
| 13:56 | tuxayo: Koha::Number::Price uses Number::Format, as well the TT plugin | |
| 13:56 | oha | it does the formatting, not the other way around, but maybe it's a good starting point to find something more |
| 13:56 | Joubu | and bug 4078 is more of less related as well (in term of currency configuration) |
| 13:56 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4078 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Add the ability to customize and display the symbol for a currency |
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| 14:04 | pastebot | "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "vagrant up messages -- 404 error?" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/60 |
| 14:04 | mirkh | Hi! I would like someone to check if I found a bug or if it's just our data that is inconsistent. In koha/C4/Serials.pm in sub GetSubscription the select statement selects from several tables. The result from field subscriptionid is returned twice, one from table subscription and one from table subscriptionhistory. When there is no subscription history second version of the subscriptionid field is NULL, and |
| 14:04 | oleonard | ^^ Is that a problem? |
| 14:04 | mirkh | then the result page lacks information. If this is a bug and not a fault of our data, I can add it to bugzilla. |
| 14:04 | Joubu | "1 blockers 2 criticals, 23 majors." Most of them are waiting for a signoff. Could you all take care a bit of them? |
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| 14:05 | Joubu | oleonard: try again? :) |
| 14:06 | mirkh: the serial module is bug free, so it cannot be a bug | |
| 14:07 | oleonard | Joubu: Happens every day. However, I don't remember how long it's been since I destroyed and recreated. |
| 14:07 | mirkh | :D |
| 14:08 | Joubu | oleonard: It happened to me few days ago, I have just tried again few times and it worked |
| 14:08 | oleonard: ho right, I got it this morning too :) | |
| 14:10 | mirkh: what is the "result page"? | |
| 14:10 | mirkh | I mean the subscription-detail page |
| 14:11 | It has the subscription info, but in the link "OPAC view" there is no biblionumber added to the link. | |
| 14:12 | Error message says subscription-detail.pl: Use of uninitialized value $subscriptionid in hash element at /usr/local/koha/C4/Serials.pm line 301. | |
| 14:12 | Joubu | I have created a new subscription and I have one line in subscriptionhistory |
| 14:13 | mirkh | Ok. Then maybe it is the fault of our migration, that we have subscriptions with no history, which breaks that select statement. |
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| 14:15 | Joubu | mirkh: you should use Koha API to insert the data (NewSubscription subroutine). It will take care of that |
| 14:16 | mirkh | Joubu: Even when adding old subscriptions from our old system? |
| 14:16 | (in migration) | |
| 14:17 | Joubu | no idea |
| 14:17 | I do not migrate data | |
| 14:17 | (luckily) | |
| 14:17 | mirkh | Ok :) But I'll check the API. Perhaps it can teach me something :) |
| 14:18 | Joubu: (You are talking about a command line API, not the web interface, right?) | |
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| 14:20 | mirkh | Joubu: (because we have migrated over 100.000 subscriptions, but still testing) |
| 14:20 | Joubu | I am talking about subroutines in C4/Serials.pm |
| 14:21 | mirkh | Ok |
| 14:21 | * oleonard | would love to be able to test Serials with 100,000 subscriptions in sample data |
| 14:22 | mirkh | oleonard: Are you sure? :) |
| 14:22 | oleonard | mirkh: I would love to have the *option* of testing with that much data :) |
| 14:22 | mirkh | :-D |
| 14:23 | There's a lot of hand written 853 field values to parse... | |
| 14:24 | After some simple data mangling we still have about 4000 unique subscription patterns to deal with. | |
| 14:25 | Anyway, if a new subscription always creates a row in subscriptionhistory, then I should check that we always create a row there too when migrating a subscription. Joubu: thanks. | |
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| 14:44 | mirkh | Joubu: after checking more thouroughly I just want to say that my description of how I thought it was failing was incorrect. |
| 14:44 | Sorry about that. | |
| 14:44 | tuxayo | oha: I didn't perceive any dismissiveness, don't worry ;) |
| 14:44 | NumberFormat is interesting :) | |
| 14:44 | Thanks Joubu | |
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| 15:06 | oleonard | Bug 20268 |
| 15:06 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20268 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , CSS regression: white gap on the top of the staff pages |
| 15:06 | oleonard | Grab someone off the street and teach them how to sign off on Koha patches with that bug. |
| 15:07 | Joubu | clear your cache! :D |
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| 15:11 | Abigail | what to do in koha so that the user at the time of booking print receipt with data from the book, Thank you |
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| 15:13 | Abigail | what to do in koha so that the user at the time of booking print receipt with data from the book, Thank you |
| 15:15 | tuxayo | cait: If you are here: do we need to handle thousand separators (space included?) for now? |
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| 15:57 | atJano | hello ppl, what is the best location (folder) to store a lot pdf files (journal articles or magazine articles) laccess by field 856$u |
| 16:01 | kidclamp | use the upload tool atJano |
| 16:02 | atJano | kidclamp i have 1000 articles, the upload tool can do bulk job? |
| 16:02 | kidclamp | at, no, it won't do bulk uploads |
| 16:05 | atJano | that's why I need to store them in a folder inside the koha server.... |
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| 16:39 | Joubu | @later tell cait yep, ping me when back |
| 16:39 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:42 | tuxayo | bye #koha :) |
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| 17:24 | * LeeJ | waves |
| 17:24 | LeeJ | hi #koha |
| 17:24 | tcohen | #endmeeting |
| 17:24 | he | |
| 17:24 | LeeJ | cait: ping! |
| 17:25 | tcohen: ... | |
| 17:25 | #vote is tcohen a jerk? | |
| 17:25 | tcohen | :/ |
| 17:25 | LeeJ | :D |
| 17:25 | cait | you need to give options |
| 17:26 | Joubu: ping! | |
| 17:26 | LeeJ | I prefer open-ended so people can be...colorful..with word choice :) |
| 17:28 | cait | LeeJ: but why tcohen? |
| 17:28 | LeeJ | cait: because he's a jerk for picking on me by typing #endmeeting every time I login :-\ |
| 17:28 | tcohen | because I repeated yesterday's joke |
| 17:30 | reiveune | bye |
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| 17:31 | LeeJ | tcohen: I'm aware :P |
| 17:31 | tcohen | I was answering cait |
| 17:32 | cait | i missed the joke... so hard to tell for me now if you are a jerk or not |
| 17:33 | * Joubu | likes the joke |
| 17:34 | cait | now i feel even worse for missing it |
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| 18:08 | oleonard | cait: Hackfest soon!! |
| 18:10 | LeeJ | I plan on trying to go next year |
| 18:11 | oleonard | That's great LeeJ. I highly recommend it. |
| 18:12 | LeeJ | it's just a matter of trying to save up my own money since it couldn't be a work trip :P |
| 18:13 | oleonard | Yup :| |
| 18:14 | * LeeJ | cries for my wallet |
| 18:14 | cries for his wallet | |
| 18:17 | barton | does anyone know if it's possible to add a blank line in the format for the label creator? |
| 18:17 | * oleonard | tries to avoid the label creator if he can |
| 18:17 | fears things he doesn't understand | |
| 18:18 | * LeeJ | forgot Koha had a label creator |
| 18:24 | oleonard | If anyone is interested in testing Bug 19866 (or 19877, 19874, 19872, 19869, 19868, 19866), I added a more thorough test plan which can be used even if you don't have a UNIMARC system. |
| 18:24 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19866 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Move template JavaScript to the footer: UNIMARC editor plugins, part 1 |
| 18:24 | * magnuse | will go to marseille next year, come hell or high water! |
| 18:25 | oleonard | magnuse: If we're going to end up going on alternating years let's try to match our schedule :) |
| 18:27 | magnuse | yes please |
| 18:28 | well, akshuly i will do my best to go every year | |
| 18:28 | it's just that this year it clashes with the national library conf here in norway | |
| 18:28 | Joubu | @later tell tcohen would you want this fancy stuffs: https://screenshots.firefox.co[…]w/pro.kohadev.org ? Or maybe you have it already? |
| 18:28 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:49 | * LeeJ | waves to magnuse |
| 18:50 | magnuse | hiya LeeJ |
| 18:50 | LeeJ | magnuse: by the way..I've updated my plugin if you had been playing with it :) |
| 18:50 | magnuse | which one was that again? i probably have not had time for it |
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| 18:50 | LeeJ | magnuse: https://github.com/ldjamison/k[…]room-reservations |
| 18:51 | I knew you were interested in it but didn't know if you played with it..since I updated versions :) | |
| 18:52 | magnuse | definitely interested, but not had time to look at it |
| 18:52 | these librarians keep asking too many questions ;-) | |
| 18:52 | LeeJ | believe me I know :P |
| 18:56 | Joubu | that's why we should improve the manual instead |
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| 19:21 | magnuse | Joubu: yeah, and translate it too ;-) |
| 19:28 | did we make any progress on using the manual for the online help? | |
| 19:35 | wb JesseM | |
| 19:36 | JesseM | :) thx magnuse |
| 19:36 | magnuse | hope you had a good break! |
| 19:36 | maybe a spot of break dancing, even? | |
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| 19:36 | JesseM | Was a well needed break. |
| 19:36 | lol | |
| 19:37 | I feel asleep on the couch | |
| 19:37 | fell | |
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| 19:45 | magnuse | JesseM: been there, done that ;-) |
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| 19:52 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 19:52 | @seen cait | |
| 19:52 | huginn | mtompset: cait was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <cait> now i feel even worse for missing it |
| 19:53 | mtompset | Hope that feelings hasn't lasted this long. :) |
| 19:58 | oleonard | Bye all |
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| 23:15 | atJano | hello, have anyone tried the following: host a pdf file in the koha host and use the field 856$u for access the pdf? |
| 23:18 | it seens that koha/apache stream the file insted of provide direct access... | |
| 23:18 | hello, have anyone tried the following: host a pdf file in the koha host and use the field 856$u for access the pdf? (don't use the upload feature) | |
| 23:18 | it seens that koha/apache stream the file insted of provide direct access... | |
| 23:32 | wizzyrea | what you probably want to do |
| 23:32 | instead of what you're doing | |
| 23:32 | is make a new space on your web server for your files | |
| 23:32 | (like /var/www/files) | |
| 23:32 | and alias that in your apache config | |
| 23:32 | Alias /files/ "/var/www/files" | |
| 23:32 | and put your pdf's there | |
| 23:35 | mtompset | It streams it, so that it is easier to add/delete files and track them. |
| 23:36 | And it isn't streaming it... it is serving it, but just not as directly as you'd like, because you might not have put the location of the upload path/directory in a web accessible place. | |
| 23:36 | It's just security. | |
| 23:37 | BTW, greetings, wizzyrea and atJano. :) | |
| 23:39 | Not everyone is comfortable dealing with the files themselves, I like the upload plugin method provided -- once it is configured properly. :) | |
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| 23:47 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
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| 23:51 | barton | @later tell oleonard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcLX-9jdEAI |
| 23:51 | huginn | barton: The operation succeeded. |
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