IRC log for #koha, 2018-03-01

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07:18 magnuse \o/
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07:34 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org
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07:36 LibraryClaire hey magnuse :)
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07:39 reiveune hello
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07:41 alex_a bonjour
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07:49 marcelr hi #koha
07:51 LibraryClaire hi marcelr, reiveune, alex_a
07:51 marcelr hi LibraryClaire
07:51 LibraryClaire :)
07:51 reiveune \o_
07:52 alex_a hello LibraryClaire marcelr
07:52 marcelr o/
07:53 eythian marcelr: you should be out skating on the ice!
07:54 (not here though, doesn't look safe here yet.)
07:54 marcelr stay inside ;)
07:57 paxed @wunder joensuu
07:57 huginn paxed: Joensuu, Finland :: Mostly Cloudy :: 3F/-16C | Thursday: Overcast. High 13F. Winds light and variable. Thursday Night: Bitterly cold. Cloudy. Low 4F. Winds light and variable.
08:00 eythian marcelr: well, I just biked to work. I'll be staying inside for the next while :)
08:00 @wunder amsterdam
08:00 marcelr nice wind chill
08:00 huginn eythian: Amsterdam, Netherlands :: Partly Cloudy :: 21F/-6C | Wind Chill: 4F/-16C | Thursday: Windy with a mix of clouds and sun. High near 30F. Winds E at 25 to 35 mph. Thursday Night: Partly cloudy skies with gusty winds. Low 17F. Winds E at 20 to 30 mph. Winds could occasionally gust over 40 mph.
08:01 eythian yep, definitely nice windchill
08:03 magnuse with that wind i would have expected even more windchill?
08:04 marcelr hi magnuse : you cant have it all
08:04 magnuse hehe
08:04 i might be a bit confused by *miles* per hour
08:04 @wunder bodo, norway
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08:05 magnuse guten morgen BüchereiKlara
08:06 huginn magnuse: Bodo, Norway :: Mostly Cloudy :: 28F/-2C | Wind Chill: 23F/-5C | Thursday: A mix of clouds and sun. High around 30F. Winds ENE at 10 to 15 mph. Thursday Night: Bitterly cold. A few clouds. Low 18F. Winds ENE at 10 to 15 mph.
08:06 magnuse "Thursday Night: Bitterly cold." eh?
08:07 marcelr sounds like norway
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08:15 LibraryClaire @wunder konstanz
08:15 huginn LibraryClaire: Konstanz, Germany :: Snow :: 20F/-7C | Wind Chill: 13F/-11C | Thursday: Cloudy with snow showers mainly during the morning. High 34F. Winds NE at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 90%. Snow accumulations less than one inch. Thursday Night: Partly cloudy skies. Hard freeze expected. Low 21F. Winds NE at 5 to 10 mph.
08:16 eythian magnuse: looks pretty tropical there.
08:17 here the seagulls and other waterfowl are slowly being compressed into the unfrozen parts of the canals.
08:17 magnuse it sure is!
08:17 the coconuts are just asbout ripe here
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08:41 LibraryClaire hi gaetan_B
08:48 oha is bugzilla down?
08:48 LibraryClaire oha seems to work for me
08:50 oha now works for me too
09:11 cait @later tell LeeJ can you ping me when around? I'd like to ask something about your work on plugins :)
09:11 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
09:12 marcelr hi cait
09:13 cait: didnt fully get your point on acquisition items on the art request enhancement; i am just interested in separately catalogued records for articles in serials
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09:19 marcelr hi drojf
09:20 drojf hi marcelr
09:21 paxed tlh - Klingon (Artificial language)
09:22 anyone got that in any of the 041 fields? ;)
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09:59 * andreashm waves
10:02 cait marcelr: was not talking abut acq itemsß
10:02 ?
10:02 my point was that a request directly on a separately catalogued article might be what libraries want in some cases
10:03 and that if you found the article and are redirected to the serial, it seems kind of silly for the user to rhave to enter the information again manually from the record they just visited (article title, pages, etc.)
10:04 andreashm oh, good, bug 19469 now has a QA contact! I now know who to bug! (pun intended) =)
10:04 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19469 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add ability to split view of holds view on record by pickup library and/or itemtype
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10:25 tuxayo_afk hi #koha o/
10:26 andreashm hi tuxayo_afk
10:27 tuxayo whoops, fixed nick ^^
10:27 magnuse hiya andreashm
10:28 tuxayo hi andreashm hi magnuse
10:28 andreashm hej magnuse!
10:29 magnuse hi tuxayo
10:30 tuxayo Decimal separator issues are a mess. Does anyone know if there are other bugs than bug 19521 bug 18723 bug 18186 bug 17462 bug 12310
10:30 T_T
10:30 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19521 minor, P3, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Partial fine payment is not working with comma decimal separator
10:30 Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18723 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Dot not recognized as decimal separator
10:30 Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18186 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Amounts with decimal comma instead of decimal dot breaking payments
10:30 Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17462 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Pay fines not accepting ',' for EUR currency input
10:30 Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12310 normal, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, ASSIGNED , Accept different monetary formats as input
10:32 andreashm Mmm, partial fine payment, my favorite function. *Irony*
10:33 cait it should get better
10:36 tuxayo cait: is there work in progress there? Because that might change my plans to fix the separator issues in paycollect.tt
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10:36 andreashm I applaud the effort!
10:37 hi khall
10:38 magnuse hiya khall
10:38 khall mornin!
10:39 atJano hi ppl, can someone help? I have a cifs share for access some pdf files link to bibliorecords, but the pdf doesn't show correctly.
10:39 tuxayo hi khall
10:39 cait tuxayo: meant the partial payments
10:39 khall hi!
10:39 cait andreashm: with the accounts offsets table things shoudl get more manageable for partials
10:40 andreashm: but any detail questions you shoud ask khall ;)
10:40 tuxayo cait: that's what I meant also. I case the UI was going to change there.
10:40 cait tuxayo: we have a reoccurring problem with Plack and fines
10:40 andreashm how are things progressing with the accounts offsets table? khall? =)
10:40 * andreashm haven't been paying attention to that lately
10:40 khall andreashm: the account offsets is in Koha now!
10:41 atJano I have compare both files (the one displayd by KOHA /apache and the original from CIFS) and they are diferent
10:41 cait bug 18186
10:41 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18186 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Amounts with decimal comma instead of decimal dot breaking payments
10:41 cait my thinking is, we can't have both
10:41 andreashm khall: ah! 17.11?
10:41 khall it's in 17.11+!
10:41 cait accept , and . as separators the same time
10:41 andreashm Nice. We hope to upgrade to 17.11 in the summer.
10:41 cait i think the cleanest option for nice would probably to tie it the currencyformat pref
10:41 input as you display it makes the most sense
10:41 khall andreashm: still plenty of bugs to go thought ; ) https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]raph.cgi?id=18786
10:41 cait and we need to avoid the html5 feature
10:41 s
10:42 * cait looks at khall for that
10:42 andreashm Must see how this change affects our heavy use of api call for fines (accountlines)
10:42 tuxayo cait: maybe I can fix bug 18186 by the same occasion.
10:43 khall andreashm: it shouldn't affect that, the accountlines table remains essentially untouched
10:43 tuxayo cait:  avoid the html5 feature really? That's what I was going to propose T_T
10:43 khall cait: what are you looking for ; )
10:43 tuxayo Indeed it's not as versatile as bug 12310
10:43 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12310 normal, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, ASSIGNED , Accept different monetary formats as input
10:44 andreashm khall: good! but partial payments could be affected?
10:45 khall: am I reading it correctly that bug 18805 would change the way amount outstanding? I don't know if I am to fond of that idea.
10:45 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18805 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add ability to use up account credits
10:46 andreashm the way amount outstanding _works_ I intended to write
10:47 tuxayo cait: are their issues with <input type="number">?
10:47 The idea was that it be a fix while BZ 12310 is finished (which could take time: functional decision if this is indeed what we want + QA work to validate that the technical solution is correct)
10:47 khall andreashm: that bug fixes a long standing issue where account credits never go away. Right now in Koha if you owe $10 and have a $10 'credit' your account will be 0, but you still owe the $10. That bug just says 'pay off the $10 fee with the $10 credit so everything is nice and proper again'
10:47 andreashm ok.
10:48 Void payments also seem scary to me. The reverse payment option already creates a mess. (Or maybe this functionality would take care of that?)
10:49 As an administrator of such things, payments that are made and then cleared away again, would not be ideal.
10:49 khall Voids are meant to get rid of the mess that reverse has ; )
10:49 andreashm Difficult to track if something goes wrong.
10:49 khall it's a much cleaner implementation, puts everything back the way it was, and logs the voids in both the fines log and the account offsets
10:49 andreashm ah it logs! perfect
10:50 khall it's like an 'undo' button where reverse just turns a payment into a fine of the same amount
10:50 andreashm Ignore me. =)
10:50 khall lol : )
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10:51 khall I'm happy to talk. I've been geeking over this stuff for years now
10:51 andreashm khall: you haven't heard of any progress for bug 19469 have you? I saw Tomas now listed as QA contact.
10:51 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19469 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add ability to split view of holds view on record by pickup library and/or itemtype
10:51 khall ah, yes. I'll have to ping Tomas about that. Better make sure it still applies!
10:52 atJano hi ppl, can someone help? I have a cifs share for access some pdf files link to bibliorecords, but the pdf doesn't show correctly.
10:52 andreashm Good. I'll ping him as well.
10:52 atJano I have compare both files (the one displayd by KOHA /apache and the original from CIFS) and they are diferent
10:56 * tuxayo <3 lists.koha-community.org (mailman) that sends periodically an email with my password in it.
10:57 cait sorry, was afk, reading back, will answer
10:59 tuxayo: i will try to dig up the bug
10:59 the problem is that it changes validation depending on the language you select
11:00 so if you look at german templates, the form thing expects , as separator and will complain otherwise
11:00 switch to english, .
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11:02 cait tuxayo: i think it will apply whenever you enter decimal
11:02 but can't spot the right bug right now where it hought i had fixed it... maybe i only did it locally *hides*
11:04 tuxayo: http://paste.koha-community.org/59
11:04 i am quite sure i brought it up at a meeting, not sure why I didn't patch it properly in the end
11:05 morning kidclamp
11:05 Joubu: ping me when you are around plz?
11:06 tuxayo cait: the 2 other tabs already work like that. (type="number") Would it be acceptable to have a bit too restrictive validation (to get rid of the truncating and x100 bug) ? While a more flexible validation will be developed.
11:06 paste: this only accepts "." right?
11:07 cait tuxayo: yes
11:07 it was the fastest 'hot fix' I could come up with
11:08 tuxayo: the problem is ont too strict validation - it made it impossible to enter amounts
11:08 install german templates, try to enter 1.10
11:09 and have it correctly deducted from an existing fine
11:09 it won't work with 'number'
11:09 the problem is that the browser tries to be super clever - changing the input format around depending on the language in the body
11:10 what I said earlier - I don't think you can allow comma and . at the same time
11:10 tuxayo cait: Why?
11:10 cait what happens if an american library enters 1.000 (thousands separator)
11:10 in acq for example
11:10 ah sorry
11:10 1,000 = 1000 in US
11:10 khall: right?
11:10 tuxayo cait: 1.000 is one in the US right?
11:11 cait yes, and 1000 in german
11:11 german and US are good examples because between them it's just switched
11:11 decimal and thousand separators
11:11 tuxayo cait: 1,000.40 ?
11:11 cait 1.000,50 in German
11:11 tuxayo ↑another example
11:11 T_T
11:11 khall right cait
11:11 1,000.50 in US
11:12 cait that's why i think 'allow it all' leads to problems along the road
11:12 i think swiss is 1'000,00
11:13 tuxayo cait: swiss: only handwrited maybe (hopefully)
11:14 cait the currencyformat pref has swiss now too
11:14 kidclamp morning cait
11:14 et al
11:14 cait that's why i think tying currencyformat = display and input together could make sense
11:14 having to wrtie them as i see with thousand separators optional
11:15 sorry for typos :)
11:15 tuxayo cait: «'allow it all' leads to problems along the road» → More problems than the current? (trucation and x100 to some sums)
11:15 cait it works currently if you stick to .
11:15 and remove the HTML5 number
11:16 well or switch to English templates before doing anything with money... but that's not really nice
11:17 bug 17098
11:17 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17098 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Validation problems with form field type "number" (decimal separator)
11:17 cait found it
11:17 tuxayo cait: too much user don't thinks about trying "." when seeing a truncated amount.
11:17 About type="number" that means that enough users don't type number consistently with the language of the interface?
11:18 thanks for BZ 17098
11:18 cait koha doesn't aceept it
11:18 the validator forces you to use , and then koha truncatesit
11:18 because it doesn't understand , as decimal separator
11:19 we've had a lot of fun with that kind of problems when implementing Koha for the Goehte libraries
11:19 that's also why I had to patch it quickly
11:20 and it got a bit lost
11:20 paxed oh boy.
11:20 cait paxed: what kind of formatting is right for Finland?
11:21 tuxayo cait: even if we type "," Firefox sends a "." to the server. (with type="number") Was that with other browsers?
11:21 oha I wish one day we all agree in ISO dates and using dots for decimal separator and only ' for thousands, if any :)
11:21 cait tuxayo: i think we shoudl allow comma - just think not at the same time allow . :) Have a pref to set it to the kind of formatting you want to allow and use that everywhere, like we do for dates
11:22 tuxayo: it might depend on the browser or if javascript is involved before it's send?
11:22 we definitely had problems with it and then plack made things worse
11:22 kidclamp cait just separate the dollars and cents fields, make it two inputs :-b
11:22 cait it seems hard to believe, but the locale chosen for plack changed the appearance of amounts in the KOha GUI
11:23 when turned to german, we suddenly had , and also problems with input
11:24 paxed cait: officially "1 234,56 €"
11:24 cait tuxayo: bug 18186
11:24 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18186 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Amounts with decimal comma instead of decimal dot breaking payments
11:25 cait tuxayo: it's all over messy. I thinkt he more simple the solution, the better
11:27 paxed i'd test for non-alphanum before "00" at end of string, then that's the cents or whatever, the rest gets non-numeric chars stripped ;P
11:27 cait hm the last 2 numeric
11:27 but you can also enter 1
11:28 i think overall: allow one valid format for input (don't try 'accept all and Koha will figure it out)
11:29 and either 1) make it dependent on the browser language and react to it (bit dangerous as we'd need to know what each language expected)
11:29 2) have a global setting
11:29 (browser language = template language)
11:30 i prefer 2 a bit because we also have a global setting for how to display
11:30 paxed same
11:30 cait that's my horror stories for today ;)
11:31 bbl
11:37 atJano hi ppl, can someone help? I have a cifs share for access some pdf files link to bibliorecords, but the pdf doesn't show correctly.
11:37 I have compare both files (the one displayd by KOHA /apache and the original from CIFS) and they are diferent
11:38 it seens that koha/apache has made changes to the file
11:38 cait atJano: sorry, we don't use the upload file feature
11:38 but i think you need to give more information too
11:38 what version of Koha? what means not showing correctly?
11:40 atJano version 17.11, I don't use the upload feature also
11:41 i mounted a shared directory windows 2013 that as the pdf files
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11:42 atJano everything works but the file that koha shows is changed by KOHA/apache
11:48 cait i don't thin it's changed by Koha
11:48 if you don't use the feature in Koha
11:48 in which way changed? can't be opened?
11:58 atJano It's starts to open but then stops and the body it's worng...
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11:59 atJano I select do save link as to compare with the original and they have some lines changes (I use the winmerge to compare files)
12:04 eythian what is the nature of the changes?
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12:37 Bhavesh Hello Friends
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12:38 Bhavesh any one can help, I like to link OPAC with web site of the LIBRARY, Please
12:38 KOHA is working on "localhost"
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12:40 * tuxayo sent a long message: tuxayo_2018-03-01_12:40:04.txt <https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]NUeSWBfykmPcqLqRq>
12:40 oleonard Hi all
12:40 tuxayo Oh no...
12:40 I'll send part by part
12:41 cait:
12:41 tcohen morning
12:41 tuxayo «we shoudl allow comma - just think not at the same time allow» Then I could tweak your regex do to that. Would such a patch be okay (I fear the "ultimate patch" will take a lot of time to be ready)
12:41 «it might depend on the browser or if javascript is involved before it's send?» No JS involved AFAIK, but yes it depends of the browser. Do you remember which caused problems to check if that's still valid.
12:41 «it's all over messy. I think the more simple the solution, the better» +1
12:41 That's why I'm hoping to split the issue in two to fix the truncations and x100 case before the rest (1.000,5)
12:42 hi oleonard , hi tcohen_
12:43 oha the idea of using a secondary field for cents is great, but there are a bounch of currencies that use thousandths instead, and it will make it messy
12:44 (actually there are 2 that use fifths)
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12:59 tuxayo oha: If the decimal field lets type 3 digits, then it's okay for all use-cases isn't it?
12:59 Using a separate field is inconvenient for pasting and copying.
13:00 oha tuxayo: no. if i type 50, do i mean 0.050 or 0.50 ?
13:00 tuxayo oha: oh noooooo T_T
13:00 indeed
13:01 oha tuxayo: and in mauritania you might have to write 2/5 :)
13:01 Joubu hi #koha
13:01 oha if you know upfront the locale, you can parse a string properly tho
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13:03 tuxayo oha: how do you write "three and four fifths" in Mauritania
13:03 oha i don't know. i've never been there
13:03 i found the info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]lating_currencies
13:04 but i guess i would say 3 4/5
13:04 maybe 3+4/5
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13:06 tuxayo oha: Maybe there a JS library that magically handles everything? ^^"
13:07 oha tuxayo: usually there are few hundreads, of which most of them fails in several cases.... :(
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13:08 tuxayo oha: actually I'm relieved that there is nothing else that 1000th, 100th 10th and 5th. It could have been worse.
13:08 oha the good news is that i can't find other cases than 1) no decimal, 2) cents, 3) thousandths 4) fifths
13:08 tuxayo s/that/than
13:08 oha tuxayo: yeah exactly. and hopefully it won't change anytime soon
13:08 tuxayo ^^
13:09 Joubu the code of this in/out stuff is scary (cf ML)
13:09 oha OTOH, 99.9% of the cases are probably in the first 2 categories, so you might want to propose 2 fields and the second accept cents
13:09 tuxayo oha: You mean a country that invent something else? (now I know what my next nightmares will be about)
13:10 oha tuxayo: oh yes. they even invented "half hours" timezones... so expect the worst, always
13:12 Joubu what's the context of this discussion, is it related to a patch?
13:12 tuxayo oha: Even 45 min round timezones actually https://www.timeanddate.com/ti[…]-interesting.html
13:13 eythian oha: New Zealand has a 45 minute tz
13:13 oha Joubu: not sure. i jumped in explaining why you should not expect only cents
13:13 eythian oh, tuxayo beat me to it.
13:13 oha TIL
13:13 tuxayo Joubu: It's about bug 19521 bug 18723 bug 18186 bug 17462 bug 12310
13:13 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19521 minor, P3, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Partial fine payment is not working with comma decimal separator
13:13 Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18723 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Dot not recognized as decimal separator
13:13 Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18186 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Plack config: Amounts with decimal comma instead of decimal dot breaking payments
13:13 Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17462 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Pay fines not accepting ',' for EUR currency input
13:13 Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12310 normal, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, ASSIGNED , Accept different monetary formats as input
13:13 tuxayo And the others I haven't found yet. Are there others actually?
13:14 oha tuxayo: luckily, there won't be fractional numbers of bugs on this...
13:14 petter For inspiration, check out the source code for the number formatters from the ICU project.. I guess it should be fairly complete, taking into account all locale information
13:17 tuxayo Joubu:  I was hoping to find a simple fix to handle the worse part of the bugs (decimal truncation and x100 of the amounts) while a super complete solution while be ready (in a very long time).
13:18 oha if you have a table for all the currencies, and based on the currenty you have an optional secondary field with a label, then that second field might be "[ ... ] /1000" or "[ ... ] cents/pennies" or "[ ... ] /5"
13:19 so if you type 50 in the /1000 field, you know you mean 0.050
13:20 maybe a formatter in js could pad the missing zeroes on focus lost
13:20 but I haven't followed the discussion on the ML (alas! I know!)
13:20 I'm just giving my 20 thousandths here
13:20 tuxayo oha: «on focus lost» Does it's still work if the user press «enter» while the focus is still in the field?
13:22 oha no, but it doesn't matter. the server has to do the same in case js is disabled
13:23 it is just to help understanding you mean 050 if you type 50 and we expect /1000
13:23 tuxayo oha: Koha support disabled JS in the staff?
13:23 oha *shrugs*
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13:25 tuxayo oha: Maybe it's wiser to handle the 10th and 5th in the third patch?
13:25 Can we find somewhere information about that? That's critical to know because that's excludes a lot of solutions. (more broad topic than the decimal separators)
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13:39 oha tuxayo: not to me to say
13:41 tuxayo oha: thanks for raising this potential issue, I'll be careful.
13:47 oha tuxayo: sorry, i didn't mean to sound dismissive.
13:47 I believe a fields for the cents is good enough. but YMMV
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13:54 Joubu tuxayo: looks like related to bug 17098 as well
13:54 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17098 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Validation problems with form field type "number" (decimal separator)
13:55 oha tuxayo: just found this: https://developer.mozilla.org/[…]ects/NumberFormat
13:55 Joubu (just to add one more to your list :D)
13:56 tuxayo: Koha::Number::Price uses Number::Format, as well the TT plugin
13:56 oha it does the formatting, not the other way around, but maybe it's a good starting point to find something more
13:56 Joubu and bug 4078 is more of less related as well (in term of currency configuration)
13:56 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4078 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Add the ability to customize and display the symbol for a currency
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14:04 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "vagrant up messages -- 404 error?" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/60
14:04 mirkh Hi! I would like someone to check if I found a bug or if it's just our data that is inconsistent. In koha/C4/Serials.pm in sub GetSubscription the select statement selects from several tables. The result from field subscriptionid is returned twice, one from table subscription and one from table subscriptionhistory. When there is no subscription history second version of the subscriptionid field is NULL, and
14:04 oleonard ^^ Is that a problem?
14:04 mirkh then the result page lacks information. If this is a bug and not a fault of our data, I can add it to bugzilla.
14:04 Joubu "1 blockers 2 criticals, 23 majors." Most of them are waiting for a signoff. Could you all take care a bit of them?
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14:05 Joubu oleonard: try again? :)
14:06 mirkh: the serial module is bug free, so it cannot be a bug
14:07 oleonard Joubu: Happens every day. However, I don't remember how long it's been since I destroyed and recreated.
14:07 mirkh :D
14:08 Joubu oleonard: It happened to me few days ago, I have just tried again few times and it worked
14:08 oleonard: ho right, I got it this morning too :)
14:10 mirkh: what is the "result page"?
14:10 mirkh I mean the subscription-detail page
14:11 It has the subscription info, but in the link "OPAC view" there is no biblionumber added to the link.
14:12 Error message says subscription-detail.pl: Use of uninitialized value $subscriptionid in hash element at /usr/local/koha/C4/Serials.pm line 301.
14:12 Joubu I have created a new subscription and I have one line in subscriptionhistory
14:13 mirkh Ok. Then maybe it is the fault of our migration, that we have subscriptions with no history, which breaks that select statement.
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14:15 Joubu mirkh: you should use Koha API to insert the data (NewSubscription subroutine). It will take care of that
14:16 mirkh Joubu: Even when adding old subscriptions from our old system?
14:16 (in migration)
14:17 Joubu no idea
14:17 I do not migrate data
14:17 (luckily)
14:17 mirkh Ok :) But I'll check the API. Perhaps it can teach me something :)
14:18 Joubu: (You are talking about a command line API, not the web interface, right?)
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14:20 mirkh Joubu: (because we have migrated over 100.000 subscriptions, but still testing)
14:20 Joubu I am talking about subroutines in C4/Serials.pm
14:21 mirkh Ok
14:21 * oleonard would love to be able to test Serials with 100,000 subscriptions in sample data
14:22 mirkh oleonard: Are you sure? :)
14:22 oleonard mirkh: I would love to have the *option* of testing with that much data :)
14:22 mirkh :-D
14:23 There's a lot of hand written 853 field values to parse...
14:24 After some simple data mangling we still have about 4000 unique subscription patterns to deal with.
14:25 Anyway, if a new subscription always creates a row in subscriptionhistory, then I should check that we always create a row there too when migrating a subscription. Joubu: thanks.
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14:44 mirkh Joubu: after checking more thouroughly I just want to say that my description of how I thought it was failing was incorrect.
14:44 Sorry about that.
14:44 tuxayo oha: I didn't perceive any dismissiveness, don't worry ;)
14:44 NumberFormat is interesting :)
14:44 Thanks Joubu
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15:06 oleonard Bug 20268
15:06 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20268 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , CSS regression: white gap on the top of the staff pages
15:06 oleonard Grab someone off the street and teach them how to sign off on Koha patches with that bug.
15:07 Joubu clear your cache! :D
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15:11 Abigail what to do in koha so that the user at the time of booking print receipt with data from the book, Thank you
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15:13 Abigail what to do in koha so that the user at the time of booking print receipt with data from the book, Thank you
15:15 tuxayo cait: If you are here: do we need to handle thousand separators (space included?) for now?
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15:57 atJano hello ppl, what is the best location (folder) to store a lot pdf files (journal articles or magazine articles) laccess by field 856$u
16:01 kidclamp use the upload tool atJano
16:02 atJano kidclamp i have 1000 articles, the upload tool can do bulk job?
16:02 kidclamp at, no, it won't do bulk uploads
16:05 atJano that's why I need to store them in a folder inside the koha server....
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16:39 Joubu @later tell cait yep, ping me when back
16:39 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
16:42 tuxayo bye #koha :)
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17:24 * LeeJ waves
17:24 LeeJ hi #koha
17:24 tcohen #endmeeting
17:24 he
17:24 LeeJ cait: ping!
17:25 tcohen: ...
17:25 #vote is tcohen a jerk?
17:25 tcohen :/
17:25 LeeJ :D
17:25 cait you need to give options
17:26 Joubu: ping!
17:26 LeeJ I prefer open-ended so people can be...colorful..with word choice :)
17:28 cait LeeJ: but why tcohen?
17:28 LeeJ cait: because he's a jerk for picking on me by typing #endmeeting every time I login :-\
17:28 tcohen because I repeated yesterday's joke
17:30 reiveune bye
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17:31 LeeJ tcohen: I'm aware :P
17:31 tcohen I was answering cait
17:32 cait i missed the joke... so hard to tell for me now if you are a jerk or not
17:33 * Joubu likes the joke
17:34 cait now i feel even worse for missing it
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18:08 oleonard cait: Hackfest soon!!
18:10 LeeJ I plan on trying to go next year
18:11 oleonard That's great LeeJ. I highly recommend it.
18:12 LeeJ it's just a matter of trying to save up my own money since it couldn't be a work trip :P
18:13 oleonard Yup :|
18:14 * LeeJ cries for my wallet
18:14 cries for his wallet
18:17 barton does anyone know if it's possible to add a blank line in the format for the label creator?
18:17 * oleonard tries to avoid the label creator if he can
18:17 fears things he doesn't understand
18:18 * LeeJ forgot Koha had a label creator
18:24 oleonard If anyone is interested in testing Bug 19866 (or 19877, 19874, 19872, 19869, 19868, 19866), I added a more thorough test plan which can be used even if you don't have a UNIMARC system.
18:24 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19866 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Move template JavaScript to the footer: UNIMARC editor plugins, part 1
18:24 * magnuse will go to marseille next year, come hell or high water!
18:25 oleonard magnuse: If we're going to end up going on alternating years let's try to match our schedule :)
18:27 magnuse yes please
18:28 well, akshuly i will do my best to go every year
18:28 it's just that this year it clashes with the national library conf here in norway
18:28 Joubu @later tell tcohen would you want this fancy stuffs: https://screenshots.firefox.co[…]w/pro.kohadev.org ? Or maybe you have it already?
18:28 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
18:49 * LeeJ waves to magnuse
18:50 magnuse hiya LeeJ
18:50 LeeJ magnuse: by the way..I've updated my plugin if you had been playing with it :)
18:50 magnuse which one was that again? i probably have not had time for it
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18:50 LeeJ magnuse: https://github.com/ldjamison/k[…]room-reservations
18:51 I knew you were interested in it but didn't know if you played with it..since I updated versions :)
18:52 magnuse definitely interested, but not had time to look at it
18:52 these librarians keep asking too many questions ;-)
18:52 LeeJ believe me I know :P
18:56 Joubu that's why we should improve the manual instead
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19:21 magnuse Joubu: yeah, and translate it too ;-)
19:28 did we make any progress on using the manual for the online help?
19:35 wb JesseM
19:36 JesseM :) thx magnuse
19:36 magnuse hope you had a good break!
19:36 maybe a spot of break dancing, even?
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19:36 JesseM Was a well needed break.
19:36 lol
19:37 I feel asleep on the couch
19:37 fell
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19:45 magnuse JesseM: been there, done that ;-)
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19:52 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
19:52 @seen cait
19:52 huginn mtompset: cait was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <cait> now i feel even worse for missing it
19:53 mtompset Hope that feelings hasn't lasted this long. :)
19:58 oleonard Bye all
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23:15 atJano hello, have anyone tried the following: host a pdf file in the koha host and use the field 856$u for access the pdf?
23:18 it seens that koha/apache stream the file insted of provide direct access...
23:18 hello, have anyone tried the following: host a pdf file in the koha host and use the field 856$u for access the pdf? (don't use the upload feature)
23:18 it seens that koha/apache stream the file insted of provide direct access...
23:32 wizzyrea what you probably want to do
23:32 instead of what you're doing
23:32 is make a new space on your web server for your files
23:32 (like /var/www/files)
23:32 and alias that in your apache config
23:32 Alias /files/ "/var/www/files"
23:32 and put your pdf's there
23:35 mtompset It streams it, so that it is easier to add/delete files and track them.
23:36 And it isn't streaming it... it is serving it, but just not as directly as you'd like, because you might not have put the location of the upload path/directory in a web accessible place.
23:36 It's just security.
23:37 BTW, greetings, wizzyrea and atJano. :)
23:39 Not everyone is comfortable dealing with the files themselves, I like the upload plugin method provided -- once it is configured properly. :)
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23:47 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org
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23:51 barton @later tell oleonard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcLX-9jdEAI
23:51 huginn barton: The operation succeeded.

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