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| 00:27 | * edveal | waves back |
| 00:28 | * Francesca | waves |
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| 01:02 | edveal | kidblamp are you working late? |
| 01:03 | wizzyrea | you know what we need, should have |
| 01:03 | the ability to reset the notices to default. | |
| 01:03 | the content of the notices | |
| 01:03 | so say you've gone and borked up your notices with TT | |
| 01:03 | but you can't get back to where you started | |
| 01:03 | "reset to default" would be amazing. | |
| 01:03 | edveal | Yes it would wizzyrea |
| 01:04 | kidclamp | I am edveal, working from my mom's house |
| 01:04 | wizzyrea | aside, I now have a quickslip that says different stuff based on borrower category :P |
| 01:04 | edveal | kidclamp I guess vacation is over? |
| 01:04 | kidclamp | file that as a big, shouldn't be too hard |
| 01:04 | indeed | |
| 01:04 | wizzyrea | if I were at my mom's house, I'd rather be working than socialising :P |
| 01:05 | kidclamp | a bug, not a big bug |
| 01:05 | I drank all the beer, what is left to do but work | |
| 01:05 | wizzyrea | can't talk mom, gotta work *hic* |
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| 07:17 | jajm | hello |
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| 07:22 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:22 | wahanui | salut, alex_a |
| 07:22 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:30 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 07:57 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 08:27 | magnuse | kia ora cait! |
| 08:36 | cait | kia ora magnuse :) |
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| 09:18 | greenjimll | Question to the assembled masses: is there a way of referring to SQL reports by name rather than ID when using the SVC URLs to get JSON output back? |
| 09:20 | cait | yes |
| 09:20 | greenjimll | So instead of: https://koha.example.com/cgi-b[…]/svc/report?id=43 you could use https://koha.example.com/cgi-b[…]?name=SuperReport |
| 09:20 | cait | let me find it |
| 09:20 | greenjimll | cait: great - thanks! |
| 09:21 | cait | hm name should work |
| 09:22 | /cgi-bin/koha/svc/report?name=Print_SysPref&annotated=1 is one of mine | |
| 09:22 | annotated will control if the column names are included i think | |
| 09:22 | it's useful when you want to address the field, working with JavaScript | |
| 09:22 | greenjimll | cait: Ah, must have been me being stupid then - I'd thought I'd tried that and it didn't work! Time to try again. Thanks. :-) |
| 09:23 | cait | also be careful |
| 09:23 | if the report is not set to 'public' (which you shuldn't do for any containing patron information), then you need to use the intranet url | |
| 09:23 | and if it's public the opac url | |
| 09:24 | greenjimll | Yes, these reports aren't public so its passing username/password in over HTTPS to get access. I'm using SQL reports to get the data to feed our purchase predictor system. |
| 09:24 | cait | ah ok |
| 09:24 | i haven't done the auth part yet | |
| 09:24 | greenjimll | The auth part works fine. :-) |
| 09:24 | cait | for us the file is on the same server as kind of a report |
| 09:25 | so the users logged into Koha first anyway, then it will also work | |
| 09:25 | greenjimll | Our koha is hosted by PTFS, but the reading list system (homegrown) is hosted here so I needed an easy way to extract data from Koha. SQL reports JSON API is great. |
| 09:25 | cait | PTFS Europe? |
| 09:26 | wahanui | it has been said that PTFS Europe is another company located in the uk |
| 09:26 | greenjimll | Yep. |
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| 09:26 | cait | cool |
| 09:26 | alexbuckley did you see my answers to your pm? | |
| 09:28 | alexbuckley | hi cait, no I didn;t sorry as my connection timed out |
| 09:29 | cait | resent :) |
| 09:30 | alexbuckley | thanks :) |
| 09:33 | cait | hope it makes sense |
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| 11:11 | Tylathos | Hey #koha |
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| 12:49 | oleonard | Any ByWater folks awake? |
| 12:53 | jzairo | hi oleonard |
| 12:53 | wahanui | hi dear loon |
| 12:57 | magnuse | oleonard: khall, perhaps? |
| 12:57 | hei aslak! | |
| 12:57 | khall | oleonard: on it ; ) |
| 13:01 | oleonard: back up. looks like apache upgraded from 2.2 to 2.4 but the qos module was enabled and only works on 2.2. Disabling fixed everything. I'll let larry know in case some follow work needs done | |
| 13:06 | Joubu | @later tell tcohen why do we have api tests failing? Did you update the mojo packages? |
| 13:06 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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| 13:08 | tcohen | morning |
| 13:09 | magnuse | kia ora tcohen |
| 13:10 | tcohen | @later tell Joubu maybe drojf updated the master packages and a regular upgrade on the nodes updated Mojolicious |
| 13:10 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:10 | tcohen | hi magnuse |
| 13:10 | wahanui | kamelåså |
| 13:10 | magnuse | :-) |
| 13:11 | tcohen | @later tell Joubu yes, that error is because of Mojolicious version |
| 13:11 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:11 | tcohen | ashimema: have you tried making that code fail? |
| 13:11 | ashimema | sorry.. what code? |
| 13:12 | tcohen | bug 18137 |
| 13:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18137 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Passed QA , REST API: Migrate from Mojolicious::Plugin::Swagger2 to Mojolicious::Plugin::OpenAPI |
| 13:12 | tcohen | the one you commented |
| 13:12 | ashimema | not really yet |
| 13:12 | was just doing a code review | |
| 13:12 | tcohen | have you scheduled some time to do it? |
| 13:13 | :D | |
| 13:13 | ashimema | currently as we're rendering as json as opposed to using the openapi renderer then it won't be validating it. ;) |
| 13:13 | of course.. that might be deliberate | |
| 13:13 | well.. so far it all looks solid to me | |
| 13:13 | and I've run it through it's paces underneath the stock rotation patches that depend on it | |
| 13:13 | Joubu | tcohen: tests for stable releases will fail as well then... |
| 13:13 | ashimema | so I'm pretty happy it's solid.. that was the only comment I could come up with ;) |
| 13:14 | Joubu | that's what we are trying to avoid for a week |
| 13:14 | tcohen | Joubu: I know, I'll take a look |
| 13:14 | lari | ashimema: i remember having some issue with it and i resorted to using "json" instead. |
| 13:14 | ashimema: you can try and see what happens if you change it to openapi :) | |
| 13:14 | tcohen | that's why I created the docker environment to start with |
| 13:14 | * ashimema | has been up to his ass in websockets this last couple of weeks |
| 13:14 | lari | can't remember the issue anymore |
| 13:14 | ashimema | interesting lari.. thanks |
| 13:14 | Ill give it a punt | |
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| 13:15 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 13:15 | lari | probably because it was in the "under" part and maybe it had some trouble loading schema...... no idea :) |
| 13:15 | tcohen | hi marcelr |
| 13:15 | marcelr | o/ |
| 13:16 | * ashimema | now has websockets that seem to be scaling properly.. gone from supporting 8 concurrent connections (which is crap).. to 640 which isn't so bad :) |
| 13:17 | oleonard | khall++ |
| 13:17 | jzairo++ | |
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| 13:30 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 19163: Critical typo in stage-marc-import process <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]45375f48a3e2ad236> |
| 13:32 | magnuse | so should IndependentBranches = Yes prevent me from *seeing* patrons at other branches than my own, or just prevent me from editing them? |
| 13:33 | ashimema: turning yourself into a cyborg, one websocket at a time? | |
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| 13:38 | Joubu | magnuse: only edit iirc, but see also bug 18403 |
| 13:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18403 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Hide patron information if not part of the logged in user library group |
| 13:39 | magnuse | Joubu: i had connected the user to the wrong library, which explains why i was seeing patrons from another library than i expected. |
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| 13:39 | rsantellan | good morning #koha |
| 13:39 | magnuse | the user can only see patrons from his/her own library |
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| 13:47 | hagud | #info Hugo Agud (Orex) |
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| 13:48 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 13:48 | Meeting in 12 minutes, correct? | |
| 13:48 | hagud | yes |
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| 13:54 | mveron | Hi again #koha |
| 14:00 | Joubu | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 23 August 2017 |
| 14:00 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Aug 23 14:00:02 2017 UTC. The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 14:00 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 23 August 2017) | |
| 14:00 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_23_august_2017' |
| 14:00 | Joubu | #topic Introductions |
| 14:00 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 14:00 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 23 August 2017) | |
| 14:00 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
| 14:00 | mtompset | #info Mark Tompsett |
| 14:00 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi |
| 14:00 | hagud | #info Hugo Agud |
| 14:00 | mveron | #info Marc Véron, Switzerland |
| 14:01 | Joubu | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ng_23_August_2017 |
| 14:01 | The agenda is empty, it should be a quick one | |
| 14:01 | mtompset | Perhaps. :) |
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| 14:02 | atheia | #info Alex Sassmannshausen, PTFS Europe |
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| 14:02 | Tylathos | Hey #koha |
| 14:02 | mtompset | I was curious how to get 19040 in the next release, and perhaps hold off on 14385. |
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| 14:02 | * atheia | waves |
| 14:02 | Joubu | #topic Announcements |
| 14:02 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 23 August 2017) | |
| 14:02 | Joubu | Anyone have something? |
| 14:03 | tcohen | yes |
| 14:03 | i've put some pieces together to come up with koha-testing-docker | |
| 14:03 | and I need help with that | |
| 14:03 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Aogme, New York City |
| 14:03 | tcohen | #link https://github.com/tomascohen/koha-testing-docker |
| 14:03 | mtompset | Sorry I haven't gotten back to the, tcohen. |
| 14:03 | ^the^that^ | |
| 14:04 | Joubu | what kind of help do you need? |
| 14:04 | tcohen | #info there's a new tiny project called koha-testing-docker aimed to ease running the test suite on jenkins, tcohen asks for help |
| 14:04 | marcelr | #info Marcel de Rooy |
| 14:04 | tcohen | I'm facing a weird situation in which things work on my local machine (of course) |
| 14:04 | but they fail on the debian 8 node ByWater provided | |
| 14:04 | I've managed to solve some of them with some UID tricks | |
| 14:05 | Joubu | the zebra- related failures? |
| 14:05 | tcohen | volume mounted with a different UID, etc |
| 14:05 | yes | |
| 14:05 | all I ask is people familiar to docker take a look | |
| 14:05 | mtompset | because you didn't start zebra. |
| 14:05 | -- last I looked. | |
| 14:05 | tcohen | mtompset: the tests are supposed to launch zebra on their own |
| 14:06 | but yeah, might be related to that | |
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| 14:06 | tcohen | I filed an issue on the issue tracker on github, comment in there your ideas please |
| 14:06 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Geramny |
| 14:06 | tcohen | #link https://github.com/tomascohen/[…]-docker/issues/17 |
| 14:06 | the next step is to branch koha-testing-docker for each stable branch | |
| 14:07 | so each branch has its own context to run tests | |
| 14:07 | as the RM requested :-D | |
| 14:07 | mtompset | continue to nag me, it is higher in my TO DO list, and I may forget, given that I don't maintain it electronically. :) |
| 14:07 | tcohen | thanks mtompset, looking forward to your feedback |
| 14:07 | Joubu: that¿s all by me | |
| 14:07 | Joubu | anything else? |
| 14:07 | mtompset | As I mentioned, I am working on 19040 and 14385. |
| 14:08 | Joubu | mtompset: keep your topic for the general dev discussion later |
| 14:08 | ;) | |
| 14:08 | mtompset | Okay. |
| 14:08 | Joubu | #topic Update from the Release Manager (17.11) |
| 14:08 | Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release Manager (17.11) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 23 August 2017) | |
| 14:08 | Joubu | nothing to highlight, I am in holiday :D |
| 14:08 | tcohen | mtompset: refactor GetMarcBiblio?????????? |
| 14:08 | Joubu | #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers |
| 14:08 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 23 August 2017) | |
| 14:08 | cait | Joubu: when are you back? :) |
| 14:08 | Joubu | end Thursday |
| 14:08 | cait | We are about to do a security release - hopefully today or tomorrow |
| 14:09 | Joubu | hard to sync Rmaints :) |
| 14:10 | frido is not around, mtj ? | |
| 14:10 | cait | yes a bit, espeically during vacation time |
| 14:10 | Joubu | certainly too late/early for him |
| 14:10 | cait | you never know with mtj |
| 14:10 | otherwise nothing much new - trying to stick to schedule :) | |
| 14:10 | Joubu | #info stable releases should be done in the next few days |
| 14:11 | cait: something else? | |
| 14:11 | wahanui | something else is doing that, before you ran my rebuild |
| 14:11 | cait | we are still finding some bad bugs, please all keep an eye on the project health on the dashboard |
| 14:11 | and sign off / test etc | |
| 14:12 | * mtompset | is away from keyboard 60 seconds. |
| 14:12 | Joubu | #info Pick bugs to SO/QAfrom the dashboard |
| 14:12 | #topic Updates from the QA team | |
| 14:12 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 23 August 2017) | |
| 14:12 | marcelr | huge queue ! |
| 14:12 | Joubu | marcelr, tcohen ? |
| 14:12 | jajm: ? | |
| 14:13 | marcelr | what about the xss patches , Joubu ? |
| 14:13 | jajm | Joubu, ! |
| 14:13 | marcelr | do we adjust templates or take another road ? |
| 14:13 | Joubu | marcelr: they are pushed to the security repo, we are syncing with Rmaints to push the branch to this repo, then release all together |
| 14:13 | you can considered the PQA ones as pushed to master | |
| 14:13 | marcelr | we still have a number in the SO queue |
| 14:14 | jajm | Joubu, i haven't done much QA lately, so no updates |
| 14:14 | tcohen | Joubu: I'm trying to split my daily hours between devs and QA, I'm trying to focus on some big devs now |
| 14:15 | Joubu | marcelr: I do not know what could be a better approach than the one-by-one fixes |
| 14:15 | tcohen | while taking care of urgent ones |
| 14:15 | bbl | |
| 14:15 | marcelr | ok |
| 14:16 | Joubu | Then, are we aiming 200 bugs waiting for QA before end of August? |
| 14:16 | marcelr | should be possible :) |
| 14:16 | Joubu | ok, let's try that |
| 14:17 | #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) | |
| 14:17 | Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 23 August 2017) | |
| 14:17 | Joubu | mtompset: ? |
| 14:17 | mtompset | Now? :) |
| 14:17 | Bug 19040 and bug 14385 | |
| 14:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19040 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , Refactor C4::Biblio::GetMarcBiblio |
| 14:17 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14385 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Extend OpacHiddenItems to allow specifying exempt borrower categories | |
| 14:17 | mtompset | I'm still working on 14385... it's huge. |
| 14:17 | bug 19040 is a refactor of the parameters to GetMarcBiblio | |
| 14:18 | I'd like to see it in the November Release... because it is hard to keep checking to make sure people don't add the old style of parameters. | |
| 14:18 | Joubu | I'd call that "change prototype of GetMarcBiblio", instead of refactoring :) |
| 14:18 | mtompset | Good idea, less scary. |
| 14:19 | Joubu | but anyway, why do we need that? |
| 14:19 | mtompset | OpacHiddenItemsExceptions |
| 14:19 | Joubu | there is only 2 parameters |
| 14:19 | are | |
| 14:19 | mtompset | 14385 needs the borrower category. |
| 14:19 | GetMarcBiblio can call GetHiddenItemnumbers | |
| 14:20 | Joubu | getmarcbiblio will take a patron category parameter? |
| 14:20 | cait | Joubu: so are more patches to XSS welcome? |
| 14:20 | mtompset | Yes, in order to pass it to GetHiddenItemnumbers |
| 14:20 | Hence the change to a hash. | |
| 14:21 | Joubu | mtompset: I will not have time to check 14385 but I am ok to push 19040, that should not hurt |
| 14:21 | mtompset | I don't expect 14385 to make November. |
| 14:22 | It is too huge and changes lots, so it needs thorough testing. | |
| 14:22 | Joubu | cait: yes, if you like, but I would prefer someone to focus on a more general approach, or at least with a real plan to get rid of them completely |
| 14:22 | cait | I'd try to do it page by page |
| 14:23 | Joubu | mtompset: so I guess the next step will be to send cookies to QAers |
| 14:24 | mtompset | QAers, If you'd like gifts, please give me addresses. ;) |
| 14:24 | Joubu | cait: yes, but it is a huge work, and we need to agree on a plan. And you will need help as well, it is not a work for just one person |
| 14:24 | blou | mtompset: change makes sense, but isn't it less stressful to just create new function (copy of GetMarcBiblio), and change them and test them one by one? |
| 14:24 | wahanui | blou: that doesn't look right |
| 14:24 | Joubu | #info mtompset is willing to send gifts to QAers |
| 14:24 | mtompset | Joubu: As for cait's inquiry about the XSS stuff, is that related to the bug you posted? |
| 14:24 | blou | thanks wahanui |
| 14:25 | marcelr | mtompset: the queue is full of those |
| 14:25 | sec patches | |
| 14:25 | mtompset | No, no... Joubu created a CGI wrapper. |
| 14:25 | for a params call. | |
| 14:25 | marcelr | and obsoleted it already ? |
| 14:26 | Joubu | I obsoleted the patch |
| 14:26 | especially because I do not have time to focus on that currently | |
| 14:26 | I tried 2 years ago and had to rebase a huge patch for months. I really do not want to try it again | |
| 14:27 | (bug 13816) | |
| 14:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13816 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Set Overdue letter fine to the overduerules |
| 14:27 | Joubu | bug 13618 |
| 14:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13618 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC |
| 14:28 | Joubu | xss: I still think that the solution is 13618 (escape everything by default), then remove the filter when it is not needed. |
| 14:28 | And also focus on some scripts that display thousand of variables | |
| 14:29 | another discussion? | |
| 14:29 | marcelr | just mentioning bug 19096 |
| 14:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19096 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Koha to MARC mappings (Part 2): Make Default authoritative |
| 14:29 | mtompset | Related to that, I'd love to see OPAC pages refactors to have the filtered record passed to it, and the page grab the information from the record, rather than thousands of variables. |
| 14:30 | marcelr | we just need to go thru a few templates ;) |
| 14:31 | mtompset | marcelr: ha ha... not the behinds the scene mess I've seen with 14385. :) |
| 14:32 | cait | i am a little late |
| 14:32 | but can I make a late announcement? :) | |
| 14:32 | mtompset | BTW, marcelr -- when you hit a false positive, why not increase the POD coverage elsewhere? :) |
| 14:32 | cait: sure. :) | |
| 14:32 | cait | We are planning a Documentation Meeting to talk about all things manual |
| 14:33 | thd | mtompset: We need a more abstracted form of a record or set of assertions. |
| 14:33 | cait | thx to Joubu there is a patch that will fix the help files in Koha to make them point to the new 17.11 manual |
| 14:33 | and there is also patches arleady pushed from him to fix the inter-manual links in the manual | |
| 14:33 | so Joubu++ | |
| 14:33 | mtompset | thd: True, but just one extractable data set, not thousands of variables. :) |
| 14:33 | cait | #info Documentation IRC Meeting is planned for August 31, 21 UTC - email to the mailing list will be sent soon |
| 14:34 | Joubu | and bug 18817 |
| 14:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18817 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Screenshots not appearing in the manual linked to the Help tab |
| 14:34 | Joubu | bug's title is wrong |
| 14:34 | cait | yes, I think we need to change the title :) |
| 14:34 | Joubu | but here is the one |
| 14:34 | cait | it just means fixing to point to the new sphinx manual |
| 14:34 | QA plese qa | |
| 14:35 | Joubu | #info bug 18817 (fix manual links) needs QA |
| 14:35 | cait | more at the meeting |
| 14:35 | Joubu | thx |
| 14:35 | anything else? | |
| 14:35 | 5 more sec | |
| 14:35 | #topic Set time of next meeting | |
| 14:35 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 23 August 2017) | |
| 14:36 | Joubu | should be september 6, 22 UTC, right? |
| 14:36 | #info Next meeting: September 6, 22 UTC | |
| 14:36 | thd | mtompset: The trend for replacing records by a set of RDF statements for bibliographic exchange standard is moving is moving closer to the direction of thousands of variables. |
| 14:36 | Joubu | #endmeeting |
| 14:36 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the #koha IRC chat | Code of conduct - https://koha-community.org/abo[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | kanban is https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]rm-1711/wiki/home | |
| 14:36 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Aug 23 14:36:44 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:36 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-08-23-14.00.html | |
| 14:36 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]7-08-23-14.00.txt | |
| 14:36 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]23-14.00.log.html | |
| 14:37 | Joubu | thx all, bye #koha |
| 14:37 | mveron | Joubu++ |
| 14:38 | cait | Joubu++ |
| 14:38 | mtompset | thd: But you can encapsulate those variables in a single object/hash, and not need to pass thousands of variables to template files. That's what I'm talking about. |
| 14:38 | * mveron | has to go to an other meeting |
| 14:39 | thd | mtompset: Yes, passing an object encapsulating things would be nicer. |
| 14:40 | Joubu | see also bug 18789, same for patrons :) |
| 14:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18789 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, BLOCKED , Send a Koha::Patron object to the templates |
| 14:40 | thd | Is there not some difficulty passing some types of hashes to functions in Perl? |
| 14:41 | mtompset | it would also solve the problem where some code uses unfiltered data in one place, but filtered data in another. |
| 14:41 | hashes of hashes can really get... hashy. | |
| 14:42 | especially if you mix hashes and hash refs interchangably. | |
| 14:42 | eythian | that doesn't make sense |
| 14:42 | a structure can only contain scalars, which includes hashrefs and arrayrefs | |
| 14:42 | you can't put hashes into something without them being a hashref. | |
| 14:43 | thd | Yes, that is it once you include hash subsidiarity Perl is no longer your friend at a low level. |
| 14:43 | s/low/high/ | |
| 14:43 | mtompset | s/high/any/ ;) |
| 14:44 | * mtompset | is just jesting. |
| 14:46 | thd | Some other languages do not require complicated object reference workarounds for accessing data in the form of hashes of hashes. |
| 14:46 | eythian | it's not complicated really, in fact perl takes the complication away from you. |
| 14:47 | $foo->{a}{b}{c} is how you address things | |
| 14:47 | the only dereference is the ->, b | |
| 14:47 | , because our initial variable is a reference, which doesn't have to be true | |
| 14:48 | thd | eyhian: However, I have been troubled when passing such objects back and forth between functions in Perl. |
| 14:48 | eythian | then you must have been doing it wrong, because it's always fine to say "blah($foo->{a})" to something expecting a hashref. |
| 14:50 | It can get annoying when some functions expect a ref and others expect a hash, but that's just because different types are different. | |
| 14:50 | (Perl 6 tidies that up a bit.) | |
| 14:50 | thd | eythian: Yes, I was doing it wrong for Perl when forgetting that in Perl it does not work as 'transparently' as it does in some other languages. |
| 14:52 | eythian | many languages don't have a distinction: they hide the references from you. |
| 14:52 | This makes certain nice things impossible. | |
| 14:53 | %args = (verbose => 1, path => '/whatever'); foo(%args); | |
| 14:53 | for example | |
| 14:55 | thd | eythian: Why should a language prohibit such usage? |
| 14:56 | eythian | because it often doesn't fit the model very well. If you think of perl parameters as just passing around lists, and having @foo or %foo as being able to expand into a list, then it becomes a lot more straightfoward. |
| 14:58 | tcohen_afk | mtompset: 'objects' |
| 14:58 | eythian | when you roll in list flattening, it means you can do %x = (thing => 1, $cond ? ( otherthing => 2 ) : ()); which can be useful, too. |
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| 15:02 | * thd | expects all programming languages to pass hashes with the full complexity of the world without having to become a flat earther to fit the language paradigm for mapping as required by the language at times. |
| 15:02 | thd | :) |
| 15:02 | tcohen | eythian: I agree it can be useful in some situations, but the idea is to stop building hashes to pass the templates :-D |
| 15:04 | thd | tcohen: Flattening my mind to accommodate can be uncomfortable :) |
| 15:05 | Retuning to sleep will now flatten my mind nicely ... | |
| 15:05 | eythian | thd: then you should tend towards using references, which is pretty much standard anyway as you can avoid making copies and so it's sometimes slighly faster. |
| 15:07 | and jamming a % on the front makes it behave like a hash. | |
| 15:11 | tcohen: I'd like a system where the template queries endpoints in the system for data | |
| 15:11 | so, inverted from the normal model | |
| 15:11 | thd | My mistake is expecting a higher degree of portability between code written in different languages. I cannot very easily take the functions I have written in Python or PHP for complex objects and have them function easily in Perl without significant modification. |
| 15:11 | tcohen | of course, that's why I'm pushing for the REST api completion :-D |
| 15:12 | eythian | thd: yeah, you can never assume that. My LISP code also won't work in a BASIC interpreter. |
| 15:13 | thd | I have often been able to merely change the syntax but not for the really 'good' parts. |
| 15:15 | eythian | https://youtu.be/Nq2HkAYbG5o?t=1548 <-- note: your LISP code may work in perl 6. |
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| 15:20 | eythian | tcohen: while REST api is good for that too, I was thinking more internally. So, the template attempts to use something, and that runs code during the template build that fetches the data. |
| 15:20 | It'd be a lot cleaner and you wouldn't have crap you're generating for the template that it doesn't actually use hanging around. | |
| 15:20 | like always happens normally | |
| 15:21 | thd | I will now dream of a world where Perl 6 would have its improvements and also be backwards compatible with Perl 5. |
| 15:21 | eythian | you can already use Perl 5 modules from Perl 6 |
| 15:22 | (also python modules) | |
| 15:22 | (and many other things) | |
| 15:23 | tcohen | eythian: we are currently getting rid of lots of the code on the .pl scripts thanks to the new OO classes, so the .pl scripts should be more and more simple. I guess while we stick to using TT templates we'll do better programming (fetching the objects) in Perl instead. |
| 15:23 | eythian | yeah, cleaning the .pl scripts is nice. |
| 15:23 | thd | Perl 5 module compatibility. /me investigates. |
| 15:25 | jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D8 build #243: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 4 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/243/ |
| 15:28 | eythian | https://www.learningperl6.com/[…]odules-in-perl-6/ |
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| 15:49 | tcohen | mtompset: https://snag.gy/42oPNC.jpg |
| 15:49 | zebra seems to have been launched | |
| 16:10 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:12 | tcohen | cait: bug 14826 |
| 16:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14826 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Passed QA , Resurrect account offsets table |
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| 16:23 | cait | hm? |
| 16:23 | sorry have to leave, will be back in about 20 mins | |
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| 16:48 | Infra_3600 | hello https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian says that debian 8 required. does debian 9 support Koha installation ? |
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| 16:56 | cait | back |
| 16:56 | tcohen: ? | |
| 16:59 | Infra_3600 | cait, hello, https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian says that debian 8 required. does debian 9 support Koha installation ? |
| 17:02 | cait | tcohen: around? |
| 17:02 | sorry, i always get a bit confused between the versions | |
| 17:02 | the newest stable one should always work | |
| 17:03 | Infra_3600: let me do a quick search | |
| 17:05 | http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]473.html#a5942566 | |
| 17:05 | tcohen | hi cait |
| 17:05 | cait | tcohen: koha on debian 9 = stretch was the question :) |
| 17:05 | and you asked me something about a ubg earlier? | |
| 17:06 | tcohen | I think it should work |
| 17:06 | well | |
| 17:07 | some tests might fail | |
| 17:07 | but it should work correctly :-D | |
| 17:08 | Infra_3600 | cait, thanks |
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| 17:12 | tcohen | bbl |
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| 17:27 | jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 17:27 | wahanui | o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
| 17:27 | jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D8 build #244: FIXED in 2 hr 2 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/244/ |
| 17:27 | Jonathan Druart: Bug 19163: Critical typo in stage-marc-import process | |
| 17:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19163 critical, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Critical typo in stage-marc-import process |
| 17:53 | mtompset | Where would I find code in Koha that adds an analytics field? There is a test case in Search.pm which is not triggered, and I'd like to write a test case for it. |
| 17:53 | cait | what kind of analytics? |
| 17:54 | test case for an untriggered test case? ;) | |
| 17:54 | can you show me the line? | |
| 17:54 | mtompset | let me find it... |
| 17:55 | pastebot | "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Need to trigger 5a and 5b in C4/Search.pm" (35 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/609 |
| 17:56 | mtompset | The line numbers are shifted due to added print STDERR lines by me. :) |
| 17:56 | and code related to 14385. | |
| 17:57 | This is the searchResults() function | |
| 17:57 | cait | that's EasyAnaltics |
| 17:57 | bug 14385 | |
| 17:57 | wahanui | bug 14385 is, like, giving me testing headaches. Though, kudos to Joubu for fixing the related bug I found as a result |
| 17:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14385 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Extend OpacHiddenItems to allow specifying exempt borrower categories |
| 17:57 | cait | turn it on |
| 17:58 | I am no fan, it doesn't work in combination with UseControlnumber that is absoluteyl mandatory for us | |
| 17:58 | mtompset | Okay, so I turn it on that system preference and then what? |
| 17:58 | Add a bibilo and item? | |
| 18:07 | Okay, Interesting. | |
| 18:07 | wahanui | i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 18:07 | mtompset | That at least points me in a better direction than I was, cait. :) |
| 18:20 | cait | add an item |
| 18:20 | then there should be links to add analytics | |
| 18:20 | i tihnk | |
| 18:21 | we don't use it because of the beforementioned reason | |
| 18:21 | mtompset: you canalso check the manual i think | |
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| 22:17 | newbie-koha | hi |
| 22:24 | wizzyrea | hi |
| 22:26 | newbie-koha | Do you have 2 minutes for a question? |
| 22:30 | wizzyrea | sure :) |
| 22:30 | newbie-koha | i've searched for myself for an hour otherwise I would not ask, thank you |
| 22:31 | wizzyrea | oh, that's way too long to go before asking ^.^ |
| 22:31 | newbie-koha | basically i set up koha, and added one record, if i search for it in the opac i can find it and everything looks fine. |
| 22:32 | wizzyrea | buuut |
| 22:32 | newbie-koha | but i have "normal view" "MARC view" and "ISBD view" - the problem is i would like to remove some columns displayed in the marc view or remove the marc view completly |
| 22:32 | wizzyrea | ah, you can do in your opacusercss |
| 22:33 | newbie-koha | i guess i can also set it there for an anon user just visiting the site? |
| 22:33 | wizzyrea | #MARCview {display: none;} |
| 22:34 | hm, what is "it" | |
| 22:34 | wahanui | "it" is probably not a valid command. |
| 22:34 | wizzyrea | shhh bot |
| 22:35 | regarding getting rid of stuff in the marc view | |
| 22:35 | (if you were inclined to leave the link to it displaying) | |
| 22:35 | it's only slightly more complicated | |
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| 22:37 | newbie-koha | well you helped me already, i understand now that some parts must be done "one lvl deeper" than the system preference system |
| 22:37 | wizzyrea | you can do something in opacuserjs like |
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| 22:38 | newbie-koha | (I'am still wondering why "source of acquisition" is a default value in the "Holdings" of MARC view) |
| 22:38 | wizzyrea | http://paste.koha-community.org/610 |
| 22:38 | (that one to get rid of, for example, the 590 field | |
| 22:38 | ) | |
| 22:39 | because it's in the item records :) | |
| 22:39 | cait | you can also try changing the visibility in administration > bibliographic frameworks |
| 22:39 | for the fields and subfields | |
| 22:39 | wizzyrea | last I checked it didn't work maybe it does now |
| 22:39 | but it's worth a go | |
| 22:39 | cait | for marc it does |
| 22:39 | also for detail pages now in the newest version i think | |
| 22:40 | wizzyrea | neat! |
| 22:40 | cait | isbd view is separate, but marc views should be ok i think |
| 22:40 | wizzyrea | (when I put in that one for the 590, it didn't work, otherwise I would have done that) |
| 22:40 | cait | mtompset :) |
| 22:41 | tcohen | hi |
| 22:41 | wizzyrea | hi tcohen |
| 22:41 | mtompset | I'm not really here. :P |
| 22:41 | wizzyrea | of course not. |
| 22:41 | cait | mtompset: visiblity setings for marc view shoud lwork right? |
| 22:41 | newbie-koha | well thank you both :-) koha is a really mighty piece of software - i guess it is a bit of an overkill to use it for my home library but I'am enjoying the community already! |
| 22:42 | wizzyrea | nah |
| 22:42 | it goes as big or small as you want it to. ;) | |
| 22:42 | mtompset | cait: Mostly, yes. I think LDR, and maybe one or two other fields (because of their necessity) no. |
| 22:42 | cait | ah :) mostly is good |
| 22:42 | tcohen | cait: it should work, unless something broke the recordprocessor filters chain, I've just remembered you said EmbedSeeFromInSearches was broken |
| 22:43 | mtompset | Those advanced constraints visibility were mostly fixed by me. :) |
| 22:43 | cait | it#s for me, but might be a slightly different problem |
| 22:44 | mtompset | Also, remember you have to do it for EVERY framework, so if you have one biblio that is one framework, and one that is the other, and you only change the visibility of one of the fields in one of the frameworks, it is going to be visible on the other one. |
| 22:44 | wizzyrea | it would be nice to have a one-clicker for that |
| 22:44 | but so hard to do | |
| 22:45 | I hate that framework editor. | |
| 22:45 | so much. | |
| 22:45 | mtompset | I do too, wizzyrea. |
| 22:45 | wizzyrea | I do them in xml now it's just craziness. |
| 22:46 | cait | sql updates |
| 22:47 | mtompset | Hmmm.... what do you think, wizzyrea: "Copy visibility settings from <dropdown list> to <dropdown list>"? |
| 22:47 | newbie-koha | wizzyrea: It worked, i removed MARCview and ISBDview now I have 2 small icon leftovers but i think it is good enough |
| 22:47 | thanks | |
| 22:47 | mtompset | Anything that overlaps gets copied from one to the other. |
| 22:47 | cait | with workbench you can edit it like an editable talbe |
| 22:47 | newbie-koha: you used css? | |
| 22:47 | wizzyrea | ah you can probably nuke the icons too |
| 22:47 | newbie-koha | yes |
| 22:48 | wizzyrea | just inspect to get their id's |
| 22:48 | some people don't want to see the tabs | |
| 22:48 | *shrug* | |
| 22:48 | then do display: none on them | |
| 22:48 | newbie-koha | yeah thanks |
| 22:49 | also what do you think about my method to get in records, iam not yet set how to do it but my idea is to import isbn numbers to librarything as it exports marc format and with it i can stage the records and so on | |
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| 22:50 | wizzyrea | you can also use "add record via z39.50" which comes with a default target of Library of Congress |
| 22:50 | it may find (depending on what's in your collection) most things | |
| 22:50 | but for stuff you can't find your method is aok I think | |
| 22:50 | newbie-koha | z39.50 sounds like one by one? |
| 22:51 | maybe I'am just to hasty here | |
| 22:51 | wizzyrea | it would be yeah |
| 22:51 | if librarything lets you do them in batch, that's probably better. | |
| 22:51 | but LOC records might be more complete, if that matters to you. | |
| 22:52 | newbie-koha | its just a few hundred books at home, the basic information should be enough for me |
| 22:52 | wizzyrea | then batch from LT is probably quicker for you. :) |
| 22:52 | newbie-koha | in koha i have the feeling i could always spend more time to make the record even better :-P |
| 22:53 | wizzyrea | this is the curse of the cataloguer. |
| 22:53 | newbie-koha | i have much more respect for any librarian since i know how much different stuff there is to consider :) |
| 22:54 | cait | :) |
| 22:55 | wizzyrea | omg I actually set up a prediction pattern that like, comes up with the right thing |
| 22:55 | * wizzyrea | faits |
| 22:55 | faints | |
| 23:00 | * mtompset | cheers for wizzyrea. |
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| 23:02 | newbie-koha | wizzyrea: do you run a library or are you a coder or what is your background if i may ask? |
| 23:03 | wizzyrea | I don't run a library but I help lots of libraries run Koha, and do have code in the project. |
| 23:07 | (I also hate talking about myself so there's that) | |
| 23:07 | aleisha | wizzyrea is an AWESOME coder |
| 23:07 | i dont mind talking about her so theres that | |
| 23:07 | wizzyrea | that might be overstating it. |
| 23:07 | ;) | |
| 23:07 | aleisha | i dont fink so |
| 23:07 | wizzyrea | I poke at things til they work. ;) |
| 23:07 | aleisha | relatable |
| 23:07 | wizzyrea | (aleisha actually has more stuff in Koha than I do, ha) |
| 23:07 | aleisha | do i? surely not |
| 23:07 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 23:07 | aleisha | maybe its because i fix indentation lol |
| 23:07 | wizzyrea | ha um, doubtful. |
| 23:07 | cait1 | you are both awesome :) |
| 23:08 | wizzyrea | no you're awesome! |
| 23:08 | I need tea, away for a min. | |
| 23:10 | cait1 | n8 |
| 23:10 | wizzyrea | mtompsett if we were going to go after that framework interface |
| 23:10 | it'd need a whole redo | |
| 23:10 | I'd want wireframes and the whole 9 yards. | |
| 23:11 | it was a little invisible to the community | |
| 23:11 | but we did that when we did the onboarder | |
| 23:11 | and I feel like that came out ok :) | |
| 23:12 | (mostly bc alexbuckley_ and mika were so fab) | |
| 23:17 | mtompset | aleisha: Care to take a look at the monstrosity that is bug 14385 now? |
| 23:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14385 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Extend OpacHiddenItems to allow specifying exempt borrower categories |
| 23:17 | mtompset | you need to apply bug 19040 first. |
| 23:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19040 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , Change prototype of C4::Biblio::GetMarcBiblio |
| 23:19 | mtompset | Only 99ish files were affected between these two bugs. :) |
| 23:21 | wizzyrea, wireframe? Me no understand geeky talk. :) | |
| 23:22 | wizzyrea | like a non-working prototype |
| 23:22 | to see the ui before it's built | |
| 23:22 | mockup might be a term you are familiar with? | |
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| 23:23 | wizzyrea | https://wireframe.cc/ but like, this might be a tool we use |
| 23:23 | or pencil | |
| 23:23 | https://pencil.evolus.vn/ | |
| 23:24 | (I don't think, as a project, we do enough wireframing/mockups) | |
| 23:24 | aleisha | yup will do mtompset |
| 23:24 | wizzyrea | but so useful. |
| 23:25 | i am loathe to require developers to make them | |
| 23:25 | but I do think it would help them plan. | |
| 23:26 | mtompset | mockups! OH! |
| 23:26 | wizzyrea: I agree. It does help plan. | |
| 23:26 | wizzyrea | for one |
| 23:26 | no hiding of options | |
| 23:26 | omg, please no hiding. | |
| 23:27 | mtompset | what do you mean no hiding of options? |
| 23:27 | wizzyrea | in the framework editor |
| 23:27 | the only things you might not want immediately visible you can put at the bottom | |
| 23:27 | but clicking to expand is aggravating in there. | |
| 23:27 | that's just one annoyance. | |
| 23:28 | mtompset | Actually, framework code, field as drop downs, triggering right side to fill in with subfields on tabs. |
| 23:29 | wizzyrea | lots of ways to fix it |
| 23:29 | :D | |
| 23:29 | mtompset | Yes, lots of ways. |
| 23:29 | But refactoring it would be a BIG task. | |
| 23:29 | wizzyrea | I haven't given my complaints a lot of thought |
| 23:29 | in terms of fixing them | |
| 23:29 | because yeah | |
| 23:29 | it seems well too huge | |
| 23:29 | and not too sure how to make it reasonable chunks | |
| 23:29 | * mtompset | smirks. |
| 23:30 | wizzyrea | but you are good at that ;) |
| 23:30 | mtompset | Can't be more large than 14385. :P |
| 23:30 | wizzyrea | haha |
| 23:30 | mtompset | It sucks when you keep reading the same code over and over and over again, and keep finding issues and things you missed. |
| 23:31 | wizzyrea | perfect is the enemy of the good, as they say. |
| 23:31 | mtompset | All because GetHiddenItemnumbers is called in some stupid function.. I think it was searchResults. |
| 23:32 | GetMarcBiblio | |
| 23:32 | wahanui | GetMarcBiblio is not passing the $opac parameter. |
| 23:32 | mtompset | yes, yes, wahanui. I said that. |
| 23:32 | wizzyrea | forgt GetMarcBiblio |
| 23:32 | forget GetMarcBiblio | |
| 23:32 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot getmarcbiblio |
| 23:33 | mtompset | GetMarcBiblio with it's embed_items parameter that was the one problem aleisha hadn't dealt with... and well, I ended up fixing a lot of side things related to that. |
| 23:34 | Still one known issue, and there is no way I'm fixing it now. | |
| 23:34 | opac-search with tags. | |
| 23:46 | aleisha | mtompset, the tests for t/db_dependent/Koha/BiblioUtils/Iterator.t fail |
| 23:46 | mtompset | really? |
| 23:46 | wahanui | i think really is more trouble than she's worth. |
| 23:46 | mtompset | Can you paste the output? |
| 23:46 | pastebot | "aleisha" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "$ prove t/db_dependent/Koha/Bi" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/611 |
| 23:47 | aleisha | there you go |
| 23:47 | shouldve given it a summary my bad | |
| 23:48 | papa joined #koha | |
| 23:48 | mtompset | Did you run this after other tests failed? |
| 23:48 | Because I don't get that on a fresh install with two biblios. | |
| 23:48 | aleisha | no every other test has passed for me |
| 23:48 | mtompset | Hmmm... I just updated my master... let me check again. |
| 23:49 | aleisha | oh wait do i have to make 2 new biblios or something? |
| 23:49 | sorry the test plan is kind of hard for me to follow | |
| 23:50 | mtompset | Sholdn't need to |
| 23:50 | Hmmm... | |
| 23:51 | do you have any Biblios in your data? | |
| 23:51 | aleisha | yes |
| 23:51 | mtompset | with items? |
| 23:51 | aleisha | yes |
| 23:51 | mtompset | could you prove -v that again? |
| 23:52 | I want to know what test is failing exactly... because it is working for me. | |
| 23:52 | I'll be back in 20 minutes. | |
| 23:53 | pastebot | "aleisha" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "output from prove -v t/db_dependent/Koha/BiblioUtils/Iterator.t" (18 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/612 |
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