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| 08:44 | eythian | hi |
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| 09:57 | cait | hm quiet day |
| 10:05 | kidclamp | HI CAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 10:07 | * kidclamp | tries to make it noisier |
| 10:07 | eythian | shh |
| 10:08 | * kidclamp | *whispers* sorry eythian |
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| 10:22 | ashimema | @later tell khall I have someone interested in signing off bug 16899 if you could rebase it pretty please? |
| 10:22 | huginn | ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
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| 10:40 | cait | huginn still gone? |
| 10:40 | huginn | cait: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 10:40 | cait | hm |
| 10:40 | wahanui: | |
| 10:40 | wahanui | cait: sorry... |
| 10:40 | cait | ok |
| 10:40 | so why no bug reports... | |
| 10:41 | bug 16889 | |
| 10:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16889 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Move the ::columns subroutines to Koha::Objects->columns |
| 10:41 | cait | ah |
| 10:41 | bug 16899 | |
| 10:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16899 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Add ability to disallow overpayments via SIP |
| 10:45 | eythian | cait: huginn won't expand on bugs when you're already talking to it with @later |
| 10:49 | cait | makes sense |
| 10:49 | clever | |
| 10:55 | ashimema | :) |
| 11:02 | magnuse | meeting in 2 hours? |
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| 11:40 | oleonard | Hi all |
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| 11:53 | * magnuse | waves to benjamin |
| 11:53 | * benjamin | waves back at Magnus |
| 11:56 | magnuse | it's not currently possible to hide some kinds of records from non-logged-in users in the opac, right? or did i miss something? |
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| 12:20 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 12:22 | edveal | Hi |
| 12:22 | wahanui | privet, edveal |
| 12:22 | edveal | hello |
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| 12:42 | rsantellan | good morning #koha |
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| 12:43 | magnuse | pro tip: do not leave the "sub {}" off subroutines, it will have surprising effects |
| 12:45 | oleonard | Gmail is aggressively suggesting today that my own messages to the bugs list look like Spam. |
| 12:46 | rsantellan | oleonard: that has been an issue for me for a while, lucky it stil apply the filters and I can see when a message arrive on spam |
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| 12:50 | oleonard | The test plan on Bug 7317 is quite intimidating |
| 12:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7317 new feature, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Needs Signoff , Add an Interlibrary Loan Module to Circulation and OPAC |
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| 12:54 | atheia | hey oleonard: |
| 12:55 | Agreed, I would say it's not really ready for testing yet anyway, as the tests & documentation don't exist yet. | |
| 12:55 | Joubu | hi #koha |
| 12:55 | atheia | The first priority for us, from our perspective is to focus on stockrotation (11897). After that I can finish ILL. |
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| 12:55 | atheia | (Bug 11897) |
| 12:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11897 new feature, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Needs Signoff , Stock Rotation for Koha |
| 12:57 | oleonard | thumbs_up.gif |
| 12:57 | ashimema | :) |
| 12:58 | * ashimema | would like to mention that he's made it mandatory for us to submit a documentation patch along with the full and proper submission of ILL ;).. to set a good example.. as atheia says, right now it's a sort of preview patch.. it all works but you need to work it out yourself a bit right now ;) |
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| 13:05 | Joubu | kidclamp: meeting time? |
| 13:05 | wahanui | mmm meat |
| 13:05 | Joubu | meating time? |
| 13:05 | BobB | Good call joubu |
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| 13:06 | BobB | else I'll go to bed :) |
| 13:06 | atheia | As a veggie I formally oppose meating, but am in favour of meeting time :-) |
| 13:07 | Joubu | @seen kidclamp |
| 13:07 | huginn | Joubu: kidclamp was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 59 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: * kidclamp *whispers* sorry eythian |
| 13:07 | kidclamp | oh, yes, sorry |
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| 13:07 | kidclamp | #startmeeting General IRC meeting 7 June 2017 |
| 13:07 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Jun 7 13:07:58 2017 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 13:07 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 13:07 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 June 2017) | |
| 13:07 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_7_june_2017' |
| 13:08 | kidclamp | #topic Introductions |
| 13:08 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 13:08 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 June 2017) | |
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| 13:08 | kidclamp | #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions |
| 13:08 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS-Europe |
| 13:08 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
| 13:08 | BobB | #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, Australia |
| 13:08 | felicia | # info Felicia Beaudry, Equinox Open Library Initiative |
| 13:08 | schnydszch | #info Eugene Espinoza Philippines |
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| 13:08 | cc_ | #info Colin Campbell, PTFS-Europe |
| 13:08 | LibraryClaire | #info Claire Gravely, Germany |
| 13:08 | atheia | #info Alex Sassmannshausen, PTFS Europe |
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| 13:09 | tcohen | morning |
| 13:09 | BobB | talljoy? |
| 13:09 | wahanui | I CRUNCH DATA or kicking butt at words with friends |
| 13:09 | kidclamp | #topic Announcements |
| 13:09 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 June 2017) | |
| 13:10 | kidclamp | Floor is open |
| 13:10 | talljoy | #info Joy Nelson ByWater Solutions |
| 13:10 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 13:10 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA |
| 13:10 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi. Theke Solutions |
| 13:11 | khall | #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions |
| 13:11 | barton | #info Barton Chittenden, BWS |
| 13:11 | NateC | #info Nate Curulla ByWater |
| 13:11 | * kidclamp | moved too quick :-) |
| 13:11 | magnuse | #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 13:11 | * barton | wonders how many other ways there are to say 'ByWater Solutions' ;-) |
| 13:11 | Joubu | #linkhttps://wiki.koha-community.or[…]eting_7_June_2017 |
| 13:11 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]eting_7_June_2017 | |
| 13:12 | ok, just a few things for me: | |
| 13:12 | I have started to push small things | |
| 13:12 | magnuse | Joubu++ |
| 13:12 | benjamin | #info Benjamin Rokseth, Oslo Public Library |
| 13:12 | josef_moravec_ | #info Josef Moravec, Municipal Library Usti nad Orlici |
| 13:12 | Joubu | as usual, read the what's on in koha-devel email, lot of things in the last one |
| 13:13 | I suggested to move it to a collaborative approach | |
| 13:13 | I am really happy with the feedback/answers I got from the poll | |
| 13:13 | and the kanban | |
| 13:13 | kanban is https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]rm-1711/wiki/home | |
| 13:13 | let me know if you want to join us | |
| 13:14 | fridolin | #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre |
| 13:14 | Joubu | we are 45 so far |
| 13:14 | cait | yay :) |
| 13:14 | tcohen | Joubu: do you think we could add how-to.pl to kohadevbox already? |
| 13:14 | Joubu | I really (*really*) would like to see more regulars involved in the "top priority" tasks |
| 13:14 | which is "welcome new contributor" | |
| 13:14 | one subtask is to update the wiki pages, to get entry points | |
| 13:15 | kidclamp | #link https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]rm-1711/wiki/home 17.11 kanban board |
| 13:15 | Joubu | to clearly list how people can help us |
| 13:15 | our wiki is a mess, some pages are ok but need a bit refresh | |
| 13:15 | fridolin | indeed |
| 13:15 | kidclamp | #info regulars please help with the "welcome new contributor" task and update wiki to make it easier/more welcoming for newcomers |
| 13:15 | Joubu | I think 1h of 5 people and we are done |
| 13:16 | tcohen: yes, soon, I plan to do it | |
| 13:16 | tcohen: but do if you like :) | |
| 13:17 | I am gonna send a kind of results of the poll to the list | |
| 13:17 | tcohen | Joubu++ |
| 13:17 | Joubu | to highlight how people are willing to help and what they are expecting for the next release |
| 13:17 | that's all for me | |
| 13:17 | kidclamp | #action Joubu will send his poll results out to the lists |
| 13:18 | Joubu++ | |
| 13:18 | cait | Joubu++ |
| 13:18 | kidclamp | Anyone else for announcements? |
| 13:18 | Joubu | (ha, and jenkins tells master is not stable, but it's wrong :)) |
| 13:19 | kidclamp | okay moving ahead |
| 13:19 | atheia | ehm… Bug 11897 is looking for testers — hoping to get it to QA fast in this release cycle. |
| 13:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11897 new feature, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Needs Signoff , Stock Rotation for Koha |
| 13:19 | tcohen | jenkins-- |
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| 13:19 | ashimema | naughty jenkins |
| 13:19 | kidclamp | #info looking for testers for bug 11897 |
| 13:19 | atheia | If you are willing to test it, but need help, contact me! |
| 13:20 | kidclamp | #info contact atheia if you have any questions |
| 13:20 | Joubu | Another announcement, from drojf: "17.05 packages ETA next monday due to release delay and local holidays." |
| 13:20 | kidclamp | #info 17.05 packages ETA next monday due to release delay and local holidays. |
| 13:20 | * oleonard | is having another go at it atheia |
| 13:20 | atheia | oleonard++ |
| 13:20 | kidclamp | #topic Update on releases |
| 13:20 | Topic for #koha is now Update on releases (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 June 2017) | |
| 13:21 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York, [still no dial tone or internet from home, waaah] |
| 13:21 | kidclamp | fridolin? |
| 13:21 | wahanui | rumour has it fridolin is busy at the moment, I asked him to backport the bug fix |
| 13:21 | kidclamp | cait? |
| 13:21 | wahanui | i heard cait was the best friend you could ever have. |
| 13:22 | cait | I plan to stick to schedule |
| 13:22 | but following in fridolin's step now :) | |
| 13:22 | kidclamp | #info 16.11 on schedule but following patches from 17.05 |
| 13:22 | cait | I have caught up with master, so waiting for the first things he pushes now |
| 13:22 | well caught up to 17.05 release tag | |
| 13:22 | kidclamp | :-) |
| 13:22 | cait | i still got 2 failing tests on jenkins that i don't know how to fix |
| 13:23 | kidclamp | #info 2 tests failing on 16.11.x |
| 13:23 | cait | i'd be very happy to see it 'blue' again |
| 13:23 | tcohen | cait: those are jenkins problems |
| 13:23 | your branch is stable | |
| 13:23 | kidclamp | #info branch is stable, jenkins is having issues (poor jenkins) |
| 13:23 | tcohen | yesterday we spent some time with Joubu trying to find the issue |
| 13:23 | and fix it | |
| 13:24 | kidclamp | mtj fridolin around? |
| 13:24 | Joubu | 16.05.12 and 16.05.13 are buggy (cannot modify patron's passwd), see bug 18740 |
| 13:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18740 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , [16.05.12-16.05.13] Cannot modify patron password |
| 13:24 | cait | cool thx! |
| 13:24 | BobB | its 1am where mtj is, but he's committed to maintaining 16.05 |
| 13:24 | kidclamp | #info 16.05.12 & 16.05.13 are buggy (cannot modify patron's passwd), see bug 18740 |
| 13:25 | BobB++ | |
| 13:25 | mtj++ | |
| 13:25 | you have something for manual cait? for 17.05 or later? | |
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| 13:26 | fridolin | kidclamp: yes |
| 13:26 | kidclamp | anything to add? |
| 13:27 | fridolin | i prepare for RMaint |
| 13:27 | but git branch is not yet created : 17.05/x | |
| 13:27 | .x | |
| 13:27 | i'm not allowed to do it | |
| 13:27 | :D | |
| 13:27 | kidclamp | #info frido needs a git branch for 17.05.x and is prepared to start |
| 13:28 | Joubu | fridolin: will do |
| 13:28 | cait | sorry here |
| 13:28 | fridolin | cool |
| 13:28 | ill try to do some each day | |
| 13:28 | cait | fridolin++ |
| 13:29 | manual? | |
| 13:29 | wahanui | hmmm... manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation |
| 13:29 | Joubu | fridolin: I cannot |
| 13:29 | BobB | #action Joubu to prepare a 17.05 git branch for frido |
| 13:29 | cait | the new manual for 17.05 has been generated and added to the website |
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| 13:29 | cait | there is an easy workflow for editing it with gitlab - no installation or downloads required, just web based |
| 13:29 | I have tested it with rangi and will write up a wiki page | |
| 13:29 | tcohen | cait: have you talked with bgkriegel about making a translation available?¡ |
| 13:30 | oleonard | cool! |
| 13:30 | cait | we have a lot of documentation to catch up on as not much has happened since Nicole left |
| 13:30 | so i hope to get as many volunteeers to help out as possible | |
| 13:30 | kidclamp | #info cait and rangi working on a gitlab based update system for the manual |
| 13:30 | #info wiki page to follow, should lower the bar | |
| 13:30 | cait | it would possibly be best to work from the old release notes - I will think about a way to create a list of chapters we miss |
| 13:30 | tcohen: i think not yet - but it's planned | |
| 13:31 | but anyone who wants to contribute or help out, please get in contact :) | |
| 13:31 | i think Joubu has a list from the form - maybe we can start with those and use taiga, but I really want to make it as easy as possible | |
| 13:31 | * ashimema | would love to see a coding guideline to require doc update with new feature submissions. |
| 13:31 | kidclamp | #info contact them in interested in helping |
| 13:31 | cait | so if a library contributes in word or something, we will look for someone to convert it |
| 13:32 | ashimema: i think we have that - but yep, i will try to hunt down people in this release cycle to do that :) | |
| 13:32 | ashimema | :) |
| 13:32 | cait | and hope others will help to keep an eye on it |
| 13:32 | atheia | cait++ & ashimema++ |
| 13:32 | Joubu | I can ask for a description before pushing enh/ft if we agree on that |
| 13:32 | cait | maybe qa? |
| 13:32 | atheia | (also aware I didn't write anything for housebound…! 8-/ ) |
| 13:32 | * ashimema | has been bad at QA then if there's a guideline for that.. oops :( |
| 13:33 | cait | lt met quickly check the coding guidelines |
| 13:33 | barton | jzairo's in a conference call, but said that she was interested in volunteering for documentation. |
| 13:33 | ashimema | atheia.. I think you just vounteered to write the housebound docs patch ;) |
| 13:33 | kidclamp | ashimema want to write something up for devmeeting and send to lists? |
| 13:33 | tcohen | I think enhancements are filled with longer descriptions for inclusion in the release announcement, but that might not be enough for the manual |
| 13:33 | cait | hm i might have been wrong, can't spot it |
| 13:33 | so we shoudl have one | |
| 13:33 | atheia | ashimema: seems only fair. |
| 13:33 | ashimema | will try to fit it in kidclamp :) |
| 13:34 | kidclamp | #info ashimema proposed doc requirements for new enhancements will try to have proposal fro next dev meeting |
| 13:34 | cait | kidclamp: action a coding guideline for that? |
| 13:34 | :) | |
| 13:35 | once we have the workflow down and documented, we could also have a documentation day/documentation party | |
| 13:35 | ashimema | the bit that was holding me back on that front was it's wasn't hugely clear how to submit doc patches at the time I was trying to go through it. |
| 13:35 | cait++ | |
| 13:35 | cait | that's all from me |
| 13:35 | kidclamp | cait++ |
| 13:35 | cait | rangi++ |
| 13:35 | kidclamp | alright, anything else or move to Kohacon? |
| 13:35 | thd | All programs should also be written to display their own documentation on command. |
| 13:35 | oleonard | i |
| 13:35 | Joubu | I do not think the dev should provide the whole doc, but at least enough info to explain the doc team to understand it easily |
| 13:35 | cait | he came up with it, just have to write it up now |
| 13:36 | Joubu | Is that what we are saying? |
| 13:36 | cait | i think that makes sense |
| 13:36 | kidclamp | yes, devs can write in dev speak with basic feature |
| 13:36 | ashimema | I believe so Joubu |
| 13:36 | cait | yeah, the technical descriptions are good |
| 13:36 | but sometimes we miss the user understandable part :) | |
| 13:36 | BobB | if devs start the doco, non-devs can improve it |
| 13:36 | Joubu | ok perfect |
| 13:36 | atheia | But it should definitely be a patch to the manual, not just in perlpod or some such, right? |
| 13:37 | ashimema | so there's at least a starting point in the docs for anyone to embellish.. if you've done development write you'll have written a spec for the enhancement and that spec should go a long way towards becoming a documentation :) |
| 13:37 | Joubu | my understanding was that the dev should fill the "text for the release notes" field on bugz |
| 13:37 | barton | I think we also need to test documentation... |
| 13:37 | Joubu | s/should/must |
| 13:37 | ashimema | patch to the manual in my opinion.. partially depends... but that'll come down to the QAer reviewing it ;) |
| 13:38 | cait | for the moment rangi and i iwll be able to merge |
| 13:38 | kidclamp | I think as long as they can provide the text in the bug we can see about patch submission |
| 13:38 | ashimema | I see 'text for release notes' as a minor summary of what the feature does.. whereas the docs are more of a 'how to use this new shiny feature' |
| 13:38 | barton | ... i.e. have people follow instructions and make sure that they work, and are understandable. |
| 13:38 | cait | i think no qa yet for the manual, but that would be nice once we actually have documentation written :) |
| 13:38 | ashimema +1 | |
| 13:39 | kidclamp | moving us on |
| 13:39 | Joubu | wait |
| 13:39 | * kidclamp | pauses |
| 13:39 | atheia | Yeah I'm with kidclamp, barton and ashimema here: a new feature should provide a text that at least describes what the feature does and how you use it, as part of the bug. |
| 13:39 | Joubu | then we need the "text for release notes" + a comment with a "doc" tag for instance? |
| 13:39 | atheia | Not sure whether it should be in "text for the release notes" or somewhere else. |
| 13:39 | Joubu | to explain more deeply what the ft does/how it works? |
| 13:40 | atheia | Yeah, Joubu, I would think so? |
| 13:40 | ashimema | so for ptfs-e's patches these days we're slowly moving to more of a team inclusive model.. support + customer refined a spec, dev develops it, support turns spec + development screenshots into documentation.. dev submits the feature along with the docs.. |
| 13:40 | that's a model I'd love to see taken more widely. | |
| 13:40 | cait | oh just one mor ething: we got 2 shiny new chapters for the web installer and the onboarding tool! |
| 13:40 | Joubu | will be a mess to find it in the comment of bugz, but maybe the tag can help |
| 13:40 | cait | if you want to check that out :) |
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| 13:40 | kidclamp | #info manual has new chapters for web installer and the onboarding tool! (shiny new chapters) |
| 13:40 | atheia | Couldn't one simply add it as a non-patch attachment? |
| 13:41 | kidclamp | I like that idea |
| 13:41 | ashimema | I'll talk to cait and rangi about docs patches workflow |
| 13:41 | cait | i think if you attached to the bug report a 'docs team' could use it |
| 13:41 | kidclamp | I like this discussion but think we should send to list and work up proposal fro dev meeting |
| 13:41 | cait | but we need to found one :) |
| 13:41 | ashimema | personally.. I'd like to see a pull request opened on the doc gitlab and a link to it from the bugzilla bug |
| 13:41 | Joubu | let's move on and vote for the guidelines next dev meeting? |
| 13:41 | ashimema | yup |
| 13:42 | agreed.. lets move on.. :) | |
| 13:42 | cait | ashimema: kidn of how we want it to work |
| 13:42 | merge request tho | |
| 13:42 | pull is github | |
| 13:42 | kidclamp | #action cait ashimema rangi will talk manual submissions for enhancments and prepare for dev meeting |
| 13:42 | ashimema | merge/pull.. same thing ;) |
| 13:42 | kidclamp | @topic KohaCon |
| 13:42 | tcohen | the manual is a lot about style and ways of telling a message |
| 13:42 | huginn | kidclamp: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 13:42 | kidclamp | #topic KohaCon |
| 13:42 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 June 2017) | |
| 13:42 | tcohen | I think the doc managers should be the ones to talk to devs |
| 13:43 | or the other way around | |
| 13:43 | kidclamp | schnydszch, around? |
| 13:43 | tcohen | but no need to add a new guideline |
| 13:43 | schnydszch | Hi all! Eugene here from Manila, Philippines |
| 13:43 | Yes kidclamp. | |
| 13:43 | wahanui | Sandwich King of the Northeast |
| 13:44 | schnydszch | Just to update you all, kohacon2017 is just two weeks. The organizers are pretty excited and working double time. |
| 13:45 | The current registration stands at 275 participants, 50+ foreign, 200+ local. | |
| 13:45 | kidclamp | #info Kohacon2017 is 2 weeks away - 275 participants - excitement is high :-) |
| 13:46 | schnydszch | We posted a week before regarding the situation in the Southern part of the Philippines which is 2000 km away from Makati City |
| 13:47 | kidclamp | #info see lists for update about situation in souther phillipines |
| 13:47 | cait | is it still possible to register? |
| 13:47 | I know of someone in Manila who woud like to attend | |
| 13:47 | schnydszch | The organizers have seek security clearance from local police. The venue has its own security so we assure safety of the participants during the event |
| 13:47 | kidclamp | #info he organizers have seek security clearance from local police. The venue has its own security so we assure safety of the participants during the event |
| 13:47 | schnydszch | to those who want to register, they can email us at kohacon17gmail.com or aslplibrariansgmail.com |
| 13:48 | *who still want to register | |
| 13:48 | kidclamp | #info to who still need to register may email kohacon17gmail.com or aslplibrariansgmail.com |
| 13:48 | cait | thx schnydszch - i will forward that |
| 13:49 | kidclamp | anything more schnydszch? |
| 13:49 | schnydszch | Paul Poulain and Gaetan Boisson will be coming over. Joann Ransom declined participation upon hearing the isolated accident which happened at Resorts World Manila, that some media tagged it as done by ISIS |
| 13:51 | ..But recent investigation, it's only done by a lone gunman. But we assure the participants safety during the event as we already seek security clearance from local police | |
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| 13:51 | schnydszch | Can I say something re: sponsor? |
| 13:51 | kidclamp | yes |
| 13:53 | schnydszch | Yeah I see BWS people here, nick and nathan, will you still be donating for kohacon2017? We're still willing to accept donations :) |
| 13:53 | oleonard | :D |
| 13:53 | schnydszch | We're working on the livestream part, we've got some volunteers from a local university |
| 13:54 | who will be helping us for the livestream and event video. | |
| 13:54 | kidclamp | #info working on livestream and video for kohacon2017 |
| 13:55 | thd | schnydszch: Will you be recording the livestream? |
| 13:55 | schnydszch | yep |
| 13:55 | cait | ++ |
| 13:55 | :) | |
| 13:55 | thd | :) |
| 13:55 | kidclamp | schnydszch++ |
| 13:55 | tcohen | schnydszch++ |
| 13:56 | kidclamp | anything more or set time for next meeting? |
| 13:56 | #topic Next meeting | |
| 13:56 | Topic for #koha is now Next meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 June 2017) | |
| 13:56 | schnydszch | nothing else, if you have questions |
| 13:57 | kidclamp | July 5th, 20 UTC? |
| 13:57 | tcohen | +1 |
| 13:57 | Joubu | kidclamp: did not we switch with 21? |
| 13:57 | thd | Have we been using 21? |
| 13:58 | kidclamp | we can do 21, that works for NZ better - but I didn't know if it ciost us anyone so trying it intermittently |
| 13:58 | thd | Also, is 5th to close to US independence day for good participation? |
| 13:58 | kidclamp | 21 is good for me |
| 13:58 | thd | s/to/too/ |
| 13:58 | BobB | better for AU too |
| 13:58 | kidclamp | I think most should be at work on the 5th |
| 13:59 | * oleonard | agrees |
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| 13:59 | kidclamp | July 5th 21 UTC |
| 13:59 | thd | Yes, good the dates fall for good return. |
| 14:00 | Sadly, KohaCon dates overlap ALA this year. | |
| 14:00 | * oleonard | will take a break from sharpening sticks and hoarding gasoline in his post-apocalyptic fear-cave to attend the meeting |
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| 14:00 | kidclamp | last chance for dissent on date |
| 14:00 | BobB | LOL |
| 14:01 | kidclamp | #info next meeting: July 5, 2017, 21 UTC |
| 14:01 | #endmeeting | |
| 14:01 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the #koha IRC chat | Code of conduct - https://koha-community.org/abo[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 14:01 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Jun 7 14:01:16 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:01 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-06-07-13.07.html | |
| 14:01 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]7-06-07-13.07.txt | |
| 14:01 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]07-13.07.log.html | |
| 14:01 | kidclamp | thanks everyone! |
| 14:01 | oleonard | kidclamp++ |
| 14:01 | tcohen | kidclamp++ |
| 14:02 | BobB | good night #koha |
| 14:02 | kidclamp | sleep well BobB |
| 14:03 | cait | kidclamp++ |
| 14:03 | * thd | returns to persuading his neighbour to take her medicine to keep her out of hospital. |
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| 14:05 | LibraryClaire | kidclamp++ |
| 14:05 | oleonard | I finally figured out why Bug 11897 wasn't applying for me in kohadevbox when it applies fine for everyone else and in my old Debian virtualbox |
| 14:05 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11897 new feature, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Needs Signoff , Stock Rotation for Koha |
| 14:05 | oleonard | Blame Windows. |
| 14:06 | The patch updating to camel case confused Windows because Windows doesn't care about case in file names. | |
| 14:06 | tcohen | oleonard: oh! you might better apply it inside the box then! |
| 14:06 | atheia | Ah — how frustrating! |
| 14:06 | oleonard | This could be a problem for other users of kohadevbox on Windows when testing patches which make similar file name changes |
| 14:07 | atheia | That is good to know about! |
| 14:07 | thd | oleonard: People would also have the same problem on OS X, which does casefolding. |
| 14:07 | oleonard | It just took me way too long to realize what was going wrong :| |
| 14:07 | atheia | Perhaps we could add it to the devbox readme (the gotchas section at the end?) |
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| 14:09 | thd | Maybe we should add a coding guideline to avoid the use of case dependent file names. |
| 14:09 | oleonard | thd: No, the patch was correct |
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| 14:10 | atheia | thd: The issue in this case was not necessarily case dependentness, but renaming one case style to the one expected by Koha standards. |
| 14:10 | Joubu | @later tell rangi can you create a 17.05.x branch for fridolin? |
| 14:10 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:11 | thd | What did the renaming? |
| 14:11 | oleonard | thd: Files were created in one patch, and then the file names were corrected in a subsequent patch |
| 14:12 | thd | Are guidelines in favour of camelcase for filenames actually forcing this problem? |
| 14:13 | atheia | e.g. Stockrotationitems.pm -> StockRotationItems.pm |
| 14:13 | oleonard | This is a problem which one dev faced when testing on one machine thd. It's not worth changing our coding guidelines for at this point. |
| 14:14 | thd | I understand the small scope of the actual incident. |
| 14:15 | However, should we not be aspiring to the possibility that Koha might one day run on a case folding filesystem? | |
| 14:16 | atheia | Personally I don't feel strongly about this |
| 14:16 | I wouldn't really have much to contribute to this conversation | |
| 14:17 | If you feel you want to pursue it, might want to bring it up at the next meeting? But from my side… I think it's probably not worth it for now. | |
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| 14:17 | eythian | also, it's not reasily easy to solve. You can't ban renaming. |
| 14:17 | atheia | (this is speaking purely from my personal perspective, in terms how I would be inclined to vote on this subject) |
| 14:18 | thd | I definitely prefer camel case everywhere as advanced by the guidelines, however, I like to be able to move files across different filesystems without problems. |
| 14:18 | eythian | (also, I'm usually wary of "lowest common denominator" solutions, especially when those denominators aren't in use.) |
| 14:19 | thd: you can. You just have corner-cases with patches. | |
| 14:19 | well, you may end up with STOCKR~1.PM, but that's on you. | |
| 14:20 | thd | There was a fork of Koha at Near Eastern University which ran on MS Windows. It is sad that we lost the efforts from NEU. |
| 14:22 | * thd | imagines the walls of a Dymaxion house with no corners ;) |
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| 14:38 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 18296: C4::Items - Remove GetItemInfosOf <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d2c8d525edc1887ea> |
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| 14:38 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 14:39 | @seen cait | |
| 14:39 | huginn | mtompset: cait was last seen in #koha 36 minutes and 4 seconds ago: <cait> kidclamp++ |
| 14:39 | mtompset | Are you here, cait? |
| 14:40 | cait | sorry, just leaving! |
| 14:40 | mtompset | @later tell cait bug 18286-18289 corrected some test bugs that were annoying me. |
| 14:40 | huginn | mtompset: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:40 | cait | bye all |
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| 14:41 | kidclamp | ah, it was just an incidental poke, no one needs kidclamp |
| 14:41 | mtompset | @later tell cait bug 18286-18289 corrected some test bugs that were annoying me, and might address your 16.11.x issues |
| 14:41 | huginn | mtompset: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:41 | mtompset | kidclamp: What are you talking about? Are you going to make me read IRC logs to make sense of things? :P |
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| 14:42 | kidclamp | you "seen" cait, it poked me |
| 14:42 | I saw I had a message, wagged my tail | |
| 14:43 | you should just ignore me mtompset , sometimes I just try to amuse myself | |
| 14:43 | mtompset | Ah! |
| 14:44 | no, no... that makes sense. Sorry for the poke. :) | |
| 14:44 | Sorry to make you feel unwanted. :) | |
| 14:45 | kidclamp | no worries, you are just trying to get things done :-) |
| 14:46 | mtompset | What fun things are you trying to get done, kidclamp? |
| 14:46 | kidclamp | trying to get my support stuffs organized so I can get back to fun |
| 14:46 | ES stuff I want to toy with and some small patches on the horizon | |
| 14:47 | mtompset | A while back I was noting a call to indexer or something like that, which wouldn't exist on the Zebra side of things. |
| 14:48 | didn't know if it was possible to trigger it, but seemed like something not quite right... can't remember where though. | |
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| 15:02 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:11 | Joubu | thd: willing to help on the wiki this release? |
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| 15:15 | thd | Yes, I should have time now but I have been exhausted from trying to discover what Verizon is doing to restore my home internet connection for the past two and a half months. Going elsewhere merely to use internet service is keeping me from sleeping :( |
| 15:16 | Joubu | hum, so it's a no or a yes? |
| 15:16 | thd | Joubu: yes |
| 15:16 | Joubu | I can send you an invitation for the kanban if you like |
| 15:17 | thd | Joubu: Yes even if some rival company has to drill a hole in the wall to let the rain and a new cable in. |
| 15:17 | Joubu | I have listed some tasks that do not receive enough attention from others |
| 15:17 | pm me your email address | |
| 15:18 | one condition, you are not allowed to talk about your internet providers in comments ;) | |
| 15:18 | LeeJ | morning all...anyone ever come across a problem with 'prove -v xt/author/Text_CSV_Various.t'? The wiki's signoff documentation shows that 'prove xt/author' should be run but Text_CSV_Various.t keeps failing on me even when I have all the prereq modules installed. |
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| 15:19 | thd | Joubu: I only say something about internet providers out of extraordinary frustration and lack of sleep. |
| 15:19 | LeeJ | @Joubu: speaking of the kanban, I'm planning to chip away at as much as I can this week once I get the kinks worked out of these unit test failures |
| 15:19 | huginn | LeeJ: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 15:20 | Joubu | LeeJ: what is the error? |
| 15:21 | thd | Joubu Joubu: td-kohaagogme.com currently. |
| 15:23 | LeeJ | @Joubu: pasting them now |
| 15:23 | huginn | LeeJ: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 15:29 | pastebot | "LeeJ" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Text_CSV_Various.t errors" (19 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/439 |
| 15:30 | LeeJ | @Joubu: there we go! |
| 15:30 | huginn | LeeJ: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 15:30 | Joubu | same for me |
| 15:30 | oleonard | LeeJ: When you add the "@" to a user's nick it confuses huginn the bot. You can leave it out |
| 15:31 | LeeJ: huginn thinks "@" begins a command meant for him | |
| 15:31 | @seen drojf | |
| 15:31 | huginn | oleonard: drojf was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 26 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <drojf> hei magnuse |
| 15:31 | LeeJ | oleonard: whoops! I'm still getting used to using IRC again...haven't been on an IRC channel in almost a decade |
| 15:31 | oleonard: got it! Thanks! | |
| 15:32 | * oleonard | has been on IRC so long he doesn't know where "@username" is used |
| 15:32 | LeeJ | hahaha |
| 15:33 | oleonard | ...besides Twitter, I guess. |
| 15:33 | LeeJ | and Facebook when the auto-complete doesn't pick up on your typing :) |
| 15:34 | Joubu | Best loved taiga project of the week? https://tree.taiga.io/discover[…]al_fans_last_week |
| 15:34 | ;) | |
| 15:34 | of the month even | |
| 15:35 | tcohen | Joubu++ |
| 15:35 | Joubu | looks easy to hit the top 5 of the year :) |
| 15:35 | LeeJ | it's probably because that project has an awesome RM |
| 15:35 | ;D | |
| 15:36 | Joubu | now it needs to become the most active! |
| 15:37 | LeeJ | Joubu: I'm tryinggg...currently I can only do Koha work at my job where I have a dedicated Debian box to dev on since I can't get kohadevbox to run on Windows :( |
| 15:38 | Joubu | LeeJ: did you open a bug report about the csv xt failures? |
| 15:38 | Text_CSV_Various.t I meant | |
| 15:39 | LeeJ | Joubu: not yet..I wanted to run it by people here first in case it was something trivial or I was just doing something wrong |
| 15:39 | Joubu: I can open it now if it's viable | |
| 15:42 | Joubu | yes it is |
| 15:42 | jenkins does not run the xt tests with -r | |
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| 15:48 | LeeJ | Joubu: Oh, I forgot to add (but I'm adding it to the bug report) that the '_e_' in field 4 of test 27 has a dot over it. |
| 15:52 | Joubu: bug submitted! https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=18746 | |
| 15:52 | huginn | 04Bug 18746: minor, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Text_CSV_Various.t parse failure |
| 15:52 | oleonard | LeeJ: What problems are you having with kohadevbox on Windows? |
| 15:53 | LeeJ | oleonard: https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox/issues/197 |
| 15:55 | oleonard: Basically, the jessie box downloads and installs and I can SSH in but that's as far as it goes. Koha or any of the tools don't download even though I uncomment them accordingly in vars/user.yml | |
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| 15:58 | oleonard | LeeJ: I see that someone else asked about that issue here and magnuse suggested this: http://zakelfassi.com/2013/08/[…]stem-type-vboxsf/ |
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| 16:00 | oleonard | LeeJ: I see that in the comments on that page someone says the vagrant-vbguest plugin should make those instructions obsolete |
| 16:02 | LeeJ | oleonard: *facepalm* I spent 3+ hours Googling for a fix but could not for the life of me find one |
| 16:03 | oleonard: thank you so much! I'll definitely try it when I get home to see if it works. I hope so..I always want to get more dev work done at home but haven't been able to. | |
| 16:05 | On another note, where would I locate the script to populate the sample notices? Can't seem to locate it | |
| 16:07 | oleonard | installer/data/mysql/en/mandatory/sample_notices.sql |
| 16:09 | Joubu | thd: The "wiki clean-up" tasks has been subdivided in subtasks. I think it makes more sense to assign yourself a subtask instead of the global one |
| 16:09 | thd | Joubu, I was just going to ask about that. |
| 16:10 | Joubu, how do I see the subtasks? | |
| 16:10 | Joubu | click on the card |
| 16:10 | https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]oha-rm-1711/us/62 | |
| 16:11 | thd | Do I see only one subtask? |
| 16:13 | Joubu | there are 3 "related tasks" |
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| 16:24 | oleonard | ashimema or atheia around? It doesn't appear to be possible to delete a rota, only deactivate? |
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| 16:26 | thd | Joubu: removing, the category QA_sprint_days would add two more pages to the growing list of orphan pages for which no category has been assigned which are more difficult to find than those with a category assignment. |
| 16:28 | atheia | oleonard: I'm around |
| 16:28 | LeeJ | *cries* I give up..tried running the notices SQL file and got "Error 1452 Cannot add or update a child row; a foreign key constraint fails. I'm having a heck of a time :( |
| 16:29 | * oleonard | must split |
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| 16:32 | jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D8 build #192: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/192/ |
| 16:32 | jonathan.druart: Bug 18296: C4::Items - Remove GetItemInfosOf | |
| 16:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18296 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , C4::Items - Remove GetItemInfosOf |
| 16:33 | thd | Joubu: I am much more interested in directing attention first to the bigger issue of migrating the wiki to MySQL so that we can upgrade MediaWiki and use faceted categorisation in Semantic MediaWiki. Removing the hierarchical category Koha_Users with no pages of its own my help with faceting, however, removing QA_sprint_days without substituting something for the pages to which it is assigned does not seem to serve any useful purpose. |
| 16:40 | s/my/may/ | |
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| 16:45 | LeeJ | Joubu: is/was there supposed to be a folder called "default" under installer/data/mysql/en/ ? |
| 16:46 | thd | LeeJ: Joubu does not seem to be logged in presently |
| 16:46 | LeeJ | thd: shows how much attention I've been paying :P |
| 16:47 | thd | LeeJ: However, I did not see a disconnect message from Joubu |
| 16:47 | LeeJ | thd: nor did I |
| 16:47 | @seen Joubou | |
| 16:47 | huginn | LeeJ: I have not seen Joubou. |
| 16:47 | LeeJ | @seen @Joubou |
| 16:47 | huginn | LeeJ: I have not seen @Joubou. |
| 16:48 | LeeJ | odd.. |
| 16:48 | haha..helps if spelled right eh? | |
| 16:48 | @seen Joubu | |
| 16:48 | huginn | LeeJ: Joubu was last seen in #koha 35 minutes and 11 seconds ago: <Joubu> there are 3 "related tasks" |
| 16:48 | LeeJ | anyways..think I found another unit test bug |
| 16:49 | thd | LeeJ: I had guessed that I might have been temporarily disconnected during Joubu's disconnect which would have prevented me from seeing a disconnect message. |
| 16:51 | LeeJ | thd: doesn't matter anyway..I answered my own question and I DID find another unit test bug :) |
| 16:52 | thd | LeeJ: It only matters to me to see how well or poorly I am managing to use IRC in my situation. |
| 16:54 | Joubu | back from lunch :) |
| 16:55 | thd: we have too many that are not useful, to me it makes sense to remove them | |
| 16:55 | LeeJ | Joubu: thd and I were playing a game of Where's Joubu :) |
| 16:55 | Joubu | LeeJ: nope, no default dir. Why are you asking? |
| 16:56 | LeeJ | Joubu: because I found yet another unit test bug. https://github.com/Koha-Commun[…]/sample_notices.t |
| 16:57 | Joubu: line 25 | |
| 16:58 | Joubu: it's supposed to be "en/mandatory/" not "en/default" and it causes 11 tests to fail. I re-ran the unit test with the folder name changed to mandatory and everything passes. Opening a bug report now and will add a patch to it as well | |
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| 16:59 | Joubu | LeeJ: thanks! |
| 17:01 | thd | Joubu: I agree that the category QA_sprint_days is little used and necessarily not especially useful, however, all wiki pages should have some type of category assignment so that finding things does not rely entirely on guessing the correct text string in a full text search. |
| 17:04 | Joubu: Consequently, do you have a suggestion for a more useful category for which the pages which have been assigned the QA_sprint_days would be helpful such that removing QA_sprint_days would be constructive rather than destructive? | |
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| 17:21 | Joubu | thd: no |
| 17:22 | thd | Joubu: Answering my own question and reverting to my earlier thinking the wiki pages for which QA_sprint_days have been assigned are probably better assigned to global bug squashing days which already includes one QA sprint day page and would be a better use especially as global bug squashing days have generally included QA squashing along with bug squashing more narrowly. The QA_sprint_days category was most likely created without en |
| 17:22 | ough 'literary warrant' and understanding of the scope of Global bug squashing days at a time when the distinction may have had the potential to have more value. | |
| 17:27 | Joubu | thd: if you have some time to spend on the wiki, you should take a look at "#21 welcome new contributors" |
| 17:27 | https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]oha-rm-1711/us/21 | |
| 17:27 | and especially "#24 Create one main entry point on the wiki (for everybody)" | |
| 17:27 | https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]a-rm-1711/task/24 (see the related pad link) | |
| 17:28 | thd | Joubu: I will look at completing the two related tasks to which I assigned myself in the next couple of days. I need to help my elderly neighbour now before the visiting nurse comes.. |
| 17:28 | Joubu | that is the top priority at the moment |
| 17:37 | thd | Joubu: I certainly see the great utility of welcome pages. I created some welcome wiki usage guides for the previous Dokuwiki Koha wiki. The task requires much time and concentration to do well. |
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| 19:36 | tcohen | later #koha |
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| 19:52 | * cait1 | waves |
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| 22:50 | hjloop | Excuse me, can I help M-042785 to ignore the letters in a mysql query and get the maximum value of the number, please |
| 22:52 | cait | you might want to look for the substring function |
| 22:52 | to cut of M- before doing max | |
| 22:52 | but i can't help you more, sorry | |
| 22:52 | time to sleep here | |
| 22:52 | night #koha | |
| 22:53 | hjloop | Thank you |
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| 23:44 | rangi | excuse |
| 23:44 | wahanui | rangi: The lines are all busy (busied out, that is -- why let them in to begin with?). |
| 23:44 | rangi | excuse |
| 23:44 | wahanui | rangi: You put the disk in upside down. |
| 23:44 | rangi | excuse |
| 23:44 | wahanui | rangi: The UPS doesn't have a battery backup. |
| 23:44 | rangi | excuse |
| 23:44 | wahanui | rangi: Someone was smoking in the computer room and set off the halon systems. |
| 23:44 | rangi | excuse |
| 23:44 | wahanui | rangi: Lightning strikes. |
| 23:44 | rangi | excuse |
| 23:44 | wahanui | rangi: Melting hard drives |
| 23:44 | rangi | excuse |
| 23:44 | wahanui | rangi: Out of cards on drive D: |
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