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| 00:46 | kellym | hi rocio! jzairo and I are stuck at the airport |
| 00:47 | hi caboose | |
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| 07:14 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 07:42 | eythian | Hi |
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| 07:43 | mveron | Good morning / daytime #koha |
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| 07:59 | marcelr | hi eythian and mveron |
| 08:02 | mveron | Goedemorgen marcelr and eythian |
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| 09:18 | * cait | waves |
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| 12:09 | oleonard | Hi all |
| 12:13 | eythian | ho leopard. |
| 12:16 | oleonard | Is Koha supposed to automatically generate data in the 001 field for newly-created records? |
| 12:16 | IANAC | |
| 12:16 | (I Am Not A Cataloger) | |
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| 12:28 | jcamins | oleonard: it doesn't, but it'd be really nice if it did. |
| 12:29 | There are various cataloging plugins that do something along those lines. | |
| 12:29 | oleonard | My catalogers are all aflutter because in the latest upgrade, if 003 is already filled it doesn't put in the default value when you click the field |
| 12:30 | ....which I guess, if Koha isn't automatically filling 001, is correct? | |
| 12:32 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 12:34 | oleonard | jcamins: Any opinion about how a 001 plugin should work? What kind of number it should generate? |
| 12:38 | jcamins | Probably the most logical thing is to just use the biblionumber, since that's what the 001 is for. I think there's a plugin for that. |
| 12:39 | It's not an ideal identifier, though, because it's not very useful for searching. | |
| 12:39 | I've used accession numbers with an alpha prefix in the past. | |
| 12:40 | Something like smp123402005 | |
| 12:40 | Where the prefix usually identifies the branch. | |
| 12:40 | oleonard | I think we've got some records like that which were created here outside of Koha |
| 12:40 | jcamins | (that originally cataloged it, not the branch that has the book) |
| 12:41 | The theory is that way if there was any collateral documentation, you can tell from the accession number who to ask for help finding it. | |
| 12:42 | oleonard | I quickly scanned the available plugins and didn't see one, but I might have missed it |
| 12:44 | Do we even have documentation for all the cataloging plugins? | |
| 12:45 | jcamins | Oh, no, I'm remembering when a plugin was written and got blocked by aggressive scope creep. |
| 12:45 | oleonard | :( |
| 12:45 | Bug 9921 | |
| 12:45 | wahanui | rumour has it Bug 9921 is about forcing the biblionumber into 001, not making what is in 001 be the biblionumber |
| 12:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9921 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nunyo.lopez, In Discussion , Make it possible to force 001 = biblionumber |
| 12:45 | jcamins | That's the one. |
| 12:46 | * jcamins | leaves, having done his bibliographic good deed for the day. |
| 12:46 | oleonard | jcamins++ |
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| 12:50 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:51 | oleonard | Hi tcohen |
| 12:56 | kidclamp | Is UpdateTotalIssuesOnCirc that much of a drain on server resources? |
| 12:58 | oleonard | What prompts the question kidclamp ? |
| 12:59 | kidclamp | (WARNING! This increases server load significantly; if performance is a concern, use the update_totalissues.pl cron job to update the total issues count). |
| 12:59 | ^ that in the system preferences | |
| 12:59 | sort of like this: Overdues - Warning: This report is very resource intensive on systems with large numbers of overdue items. | |
| 13:00 | these warnings always seem like something we should fix rather than frightening the users | |
| 13:01 | alternately, throw in some blink tags - if we are gonna warn, let's do ti proper | |
| 13:03 | * tcohen | agrees we should address those |
| 13:05 | tcohen | ah, where's the infinite time when we need it :-D |
| 13:05 | kidclamp | there's a bug in it tcohen, and the unit tests are really painful when time travel is involved |
| 13:06 | * kidclamp | might be slightly punchy today |
| 13:08 | oleonard | @later tell rangi Please delete Bug 18678. Spam. |
| 13:08 | huginn | oleonard: The operation succeeded. |
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| 14:17 | oleonard | I'm glad that kidclamp_fit guy left, he's insufferable. |
| 14:18 | * kidclamp | narrows his eyes |
| 14:20 | oleonard | ^^ this guy knows what I'm talkin' about. |
| 14:23 | kidclamp | https://cdn.meme.am/cache/inst[…]h-me-or-at-me.jpg |
| 14:23 | oleonard | Oh skeptical Fry, is there anything you can't do? |
| 14:23 | * kidclamp | likes his memes with identifiable metadata |
| 14:24 | oleonard | https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]63732&action=diff |
| 14:24 | I wonder if the qa tool could be modified to look for line breaks inside template tags? | |
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| 14:27 | Joubu | oleonard: yes, definitely |
| 14:28 | * oleonard | burns a copy of Programming Perl, 3rd edition, on the altar of the QA gods. |
| 14:37 | Joubu | @later tell wizzyrea https://koha-community.org/get[…]for-library-users => "Leave your suggestions in the comments." => There is no way to let a comment... |
| 14:37 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:41 | Joubu | @later tell wizzyrea https://koha-community.org/sup[…]ling-lists/forums => most of the links are broken |
| 14:41 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:41 | Joubu | @later tell wizzyrea do you want me to open bug report? :) |
| 14:41 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:42 | Joubu | README.md: "Note: This project has its own bug tracker, to report a bug or submit a patch visit http://bugs.koha-comminity.org." |
| 14:43 | really?? | |
| 14:43 | wahanui | well, really is more trouble than she's worth. |
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| 14:49 | oleonard | "koha-translate -u" updates your templates based on the po files? |
| 14:50 | If so, is there a separate command for regenerating the templates? Or use koha-shell? | |
| 14:52 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15465: Fix typo in bugs.k-c.org <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1fa5b1f3cf7a00dd3> |
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| 14:53 | Joubu | "regenerating"? |
| 14:53 | oleonard | Sorry, not regenerate the templates. Recreate the .po file I mean |
| 14:54 | Joubu | apparently not, but you can use the translate script from a koha-shell :) |
| 14:55 | perl translate update LANG | |
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| 15:04 | oleonard | Thanks Joubu |
| 15:07 | Joubu | @later tell wizzyrea https://koha-community.org/get-involved => links "Plugins" and "Meta" do not point to anywhere... |
| 15:07 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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| 15:47 | Joubu | query tcohen Hi |
| 15:47 | heh | |
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| 16:02 | mveron | Joubu++ for adding a test to QA tools to prevent line breaks inside of tt directives. That will save a lot of time for fixing translatability problems. |
| 16:04 | oleonard | Hi mveron. |
| 16:04 | mveron | Hi oleonard |
| 16:04 | wahanui | hi olé onard |
| 16:05 | mveron | wahanui seems to have beer time already :-) |
| 16:05 | wahanui | mveron: excuse me? |
| 16:06 | oleonard | I'm interested in hearing any other guidelines you think of for making the templates more translatable |
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| 16:09 | mveron | oleonard: Usual suspects are: |
| 16:09 | Line breaks inside of tt directives... Sentences <b>splitted</b> by html tags | |
| 16:10 | ...resulting in 'Sentences' and 'splitted' and 'html tags' as separate fragments in translation tools | |
| 16:11 | ..and html tags inside of tt directives. They are forbidden by coding guidelines, but sometimes it would be easier from programming standpoint to have them. | |
| 16:12 | oleonard | I really think we need to figure out how to make translation work for sentences <b>splitted</b> by html tags |
| 16:12 | mveron | That's why I propose a filter for such tags, see Bug 18665 |
| 16:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18665 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Translatability: Add tt filter to allow html tags inside tt directives |
| 16:12 | mveron | ...for html tags inside tt directives |
| 16:13 | And yes, making translation work vor splitted sentences would make much sense... | |
| 16:14 | * mveron | lost hours and hours in the last 5 years with translation issues - either to get it right in translation or with enhancements to weed out problems... |
| 16:15 | oleonard | Isn't translation a process which should be re-thought from the ground up? We've been making incremental fixes for ages and it's still a pain. |
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| 16:18 | mveron | oleonard: I agree - but I'm afraid that it would be a Hercules task. And meanwhile translations in the old fashioned way have still to be done. |
| 16:19 | oleonard | I think it would be interesting to learn what good alternative workflows are. |
| 16:20 | mveron | They would have to fit with Template Toolkit. |
| 16:20 | Guest978 | Hi #koha, what it means, if in the intranet, a checked out title of a book on a patron's screen shows "null undefined undefined undefined undefined null" |
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| 16:26 | oleonard | Oak: It certainly doesn't look good :| |
| 16:28 | Oak | Yeah, a friend of mine gave me access and asked me to 'fix' these issues. I have not idea what have they been doing to their Koha. |
| 16:28 | Someone deleted items/records instead of returning the books? | |
| 16:28 | I've been out of touch with Koha :| | |
| 16:31 | oleonard | Oak: That could be it. Koha is trying to pull item information based on the itemnumber in the issues table and is getting nothing? |
| 16:32 | Oak | Thanks |
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| 16:35 | mveron | oleonard: One more example is Bug 18675 Translation tool picks following line: %s [%% IF csv_profile.encoding == encoding OR NOT csv_profile AND encoding == 'utf8' %%] |
| 16:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18675 trivial, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Translatability: Get rid of [%% in translation for csv-profiles.tt |
| 16:37 | CrispyBran | oleonard - just learned a valuable lesson with kohadevbox. |
| 16:38 | barton too ^ | |
| 16:39 | I've been having lots of connection issues the past couple weeks. Usually when I install Git on Windows, I use all the default settings. | |
| 16:40 | One of the settings defaults to using the OpenSSL library. I changed it to use the native Windows Secure Channel library. My problems disappeared! :/ | |
| 16:40 | I feel like an idiot. | |
| 16:41 | barton | huh... weird. |
| 16:42 | nowait, actually, that makes sense based on what we were seeing... OpenSSL is probably more strict about which certificates it will accept. | |
| 16:44 | CrispyBran | Something I'll have to mention to tcohen for the install notes. |
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| 16:47 | Guest924 | Project Koha_Master_D8 build #183: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/183/ |
| 16:47 | jonathan.druart: Bug 15465: Fix typo in bugs.k-c.org | |
| 16:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15465 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ellermaugustus, RESOLVED FIXED, README for github |
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| 17:21 | * mveron | goes to have dinner |
| 17:34 | mtompset | @later tell Jobou default perlcritic dislikes unless (condition) { } |
| 17:34 | huginn | mtompset: The operation succeeded. |
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| 17:56 | mtompset | Rescued a 4-digit bug from "Patch does not apply" doom. :) |
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| 18:23 | mtompset | cait++ # thanks for fixing my typo. :) |
| 18:23 | cait | np |
| 18:24 | mtompset | I've been looking at the patch does not apply and failed qa lists. :) |
| 18:24 | Seems like they get forgotten frequently. | |
| 18:25 | cait | hm? |
| 18:53 | tcohen | WTF happened to koha 16.05? |
| 18:54 | bag | tcohen: ? |
| 18:54 | tcohen | i've just upgraded a demo server |
| 18:55 | and it is applying 16.12 updates | |
| 18:55 | cait | ohoh |
| 18:55 | that was on th elist today too | |
| 18:55 | somethig wrong with the package? | |
| 18:55 | tcohen | does someone have drojf's email? |
| 18:56 | sorry | |
| 18:56 | phone numbeR? | |
| 18:56 | we need to remove that ASAP from the repo | |
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| 18:57 | tcohen | i mean it |
| 18:58 | for real | |
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| 19:00 | tcohen | who has write access to the repo¡? |
| 19:01 | cait | i can dm/text him |
| 19:01 | what's the exact problem? | |
| 19:02 | tcohen | people using 16.05 are being upgraded to current master |
| 19:03 | cait | text send |
| 19:04 | sent | |
| 19:04 | oleonard | drojf hasn't been around lately has he? |
| 19:04 | CrispyBran | WTF (Windy Toad Farts) |
| 19:05 | cait | super busy i thnk |
| 19:05 | i have sent him a text and twitter dm | |
| 19:06 | tomas - do you want to email? | |
| 19:06 | eythian: ? | |
| 19:07 | liw | drojf++ -- however, may I suggest, from this Koha orbiting space station, that it'd be good to have a team of at least two people managing a Koha-provided APT package repo, just in case of problems? |
| 19:09 | cait | hm the wiki also lists galen |
| 19:09 | and robin... | |
| 19:09 | wahanui | robin is on annual leave |
| 19:09 | cait | and not drojf |
| 19:09 | gmcharlt or eythian around? | |
| 19:13 | eythian | cait: sup? |
| 19:13 | wahanui | everything. |
| 19:13 | cait | was looking for someone who has access to the debian repo |
| 19:13 | tcohen: can you take over? | |
| 19:13 | tcohen | I don't have access |
| 19:13 | cait | i think gmcharlt might take a look right now too |
| 19:13 | eythian | I _might_ |
| 19:13 | cait | yeah but epxlaining, i am not sure what exactly is wrong |
| 19:13 | tcohen | the 16.05.13 package contains master |
| 19:14 | period | |
| 19:14 | eythian | I do |
| 19:14 | tcohen | we should shut apache down |
| 19:14 | until drojf figures | |
| 19:14 | gmcharlt | looking |
| 19:14 | liw | would it be enough to just remove the 16.05.13 package? or to chmod it to 000 so it can |
| 19:15 | 't he downloaded? | |
| 19:15 | eythian | that's what I'm trying |
| 19:15 | cait | check with gmcharlt plz |
| 19:15 | eythian | done |
| 19:15 | tcohen | liw: I think so, but I don't have means to test the 16.11 package... which could have problems too |
| 19:15 | * liw | steps back to avoid interfereing further |
| 19:15 | cait | i think rangi alraedy used it |
| 19:15 | and we did too | |
| 19:15 | hm no we used the branch | |
| 19:15 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 19:16 | eythian | it's been there for about 24 hours |
| 19:16 | ---------- 1 robin robin 30351766 May 25 13:04 ./pool/main/k/koha/koha-common_16.05.13_all.deb | |
| 19:16 | cait | maybe checking the files inside the pacakge? see what version it states? |
| 19:17 | eythian | will check |
| 19:17 | gmcharlt | at first blush, looks like only 16 downloads of that particular package have occurred |
| 19:18 | tcohen | thanks cait, eythian gmcharlt |
| 19:20 | cait | have updated my messages to drojf to check chat logs first |
| 19:20 | is 16.11.08 ok? | |
| 19:21 | gmcharlt | ok, I've confirmed that the 16.05.13 package has 16.12.00.037 as its stamp - i.e., oops |
| 19:21 | check the 16.11.08 package now | |
| 19:22 | *checking | |
| 19:22 | eythian | ah cool, I was half way through checking that too :) |
| 19:23 | gmcharlt | ok, confirmed that the 16.11.08 package does have the CORRECT version stamp |
| 19:24 | cait | phew |
| 19:24 | has been there since monday | |
| 19:24 | probably some more downlaods | |
| 19:25 | eythian | I think I was half way through writing a build script that would take a tag and build from that. Maybe that should be resumed by someone. |
| 19:25 | (or, have jenkins do building or something.) | |
| 19:25 | gmcharlt | cait: just a few |
| 19:25 | cait: i.e., 742 | |
| 19:25 | :) | |
| 19:25 | cait | cool to know :) |
| 19:25 | he has nightly builds - so probably some automation there? | |
| 19:26 | but sadl yi found 2 bugs in 16.11. today anyway :( | |
| 19:28 | hm it's in master too | |
| 19:28 | * cait | goes to file bugs |
| 19:28 | cait | thx gmcharlt++ and eythian++ coming to the rescue |
| 19:29 | eythian | np |
| 19:29 | * eythian | wonders a bit about how drojf uploads packages that they end up under my username |
| 19:29 | liw | eythian++ gmcharlt++ cait++ tcohen++ |
| 19:30 | eythian | ah, he has a key that works with my account |
| 19:30 | fair enough | |
| 19:30 | gmcharlt | eythian: eh, the way that account has been used, it could have justly been renamed pkgmgr or the like |
| 19:30 | :) | |
| 19:30 | eythian | yeah |
| 19:30 | no matter, no longer mysterious :) | |
| 19:32 | cait | bug 18685 - also appears on master |
| 19:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18685 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patron edit/cancel floating toolbar out of place |
| 19:34 | cait | hm just missed oleonard |
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| 19:57 | cait1 | @later tell Joubu page name has an additional l https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ki/Mailling_lists |
| 19:57 | huginn | cait1: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:03 | barton | does anyone have any experience composing the <icu_chain> configurations like in https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]CU_Chains_Library ? |
| 20:05 | Zebra isn't recognizing the Spanish inverted question mark as a punctuation character, which is messing up title searches containig words that start with that... and since it's used to mark the start of a question, that's problematic. | |
| 20:07 | It's in the unicode category 'Punctuation, Other [Po]'... would that be considered a bug in Zebra, if it doesn't recognize that? | |
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| 20:17 | cait1 | you already activated icu? |
| 20:17 | i mean are you sure it's active and working? | |
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| 20:26 | Joubu | mtompset: we are not following perlcritic -1 |
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| 20:47 | cait1 | Joubu++ |
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| 21:14 | Joubu | bye #koha |
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| 21:57 | mtompset | Joubu: just because we aren't now, doesn't mean we shouldn't clean up simple things on the way there. It would be nice to be able to say we do 3 or 4 cleanly. |
| 21:57 | 2 and 1 generally get a little too picky at times. | |
| 21:58 | And like I said on bug 1985, you could sign off the first three alone and still mean the bug. | |
| 21:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1985 enhancement, P3, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Email notification of new OPAC comments |
| 21:58 | mtompset | meet the enhancement requirement. |
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