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| 06:02 | mveron | Good morning / daytime #koha |
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| 06:22 | oha | o/ |
| 06:41 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 06:43 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:52 | alex_a | hello |
| 06:52 | wahanui | niihau, alex_a |
| 06:56 | LibraryClaire | morning #koha |
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| 07:12 | * mveron | waves |
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| 07:17 | alexbuckley_ | Hi mveron. Bug 18462 should apply properly now |
| 07:17 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18462 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Implemented bootstrap styling on the web installer and onboarding tool |
| 07:20 | mveron | Good morning / daytime alexbuckley. I will try to find time for it in the afternoon. |
| 07:20 | alexbuckley_ | thanks |
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| 07:22 | magnuse | alexbuckley++ mveron++ |
| 07:22 | the national library keeps a database of all libraries in norway | |
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| 07:23 | magnuse | including a username/password that they can use to log into every ill-enabled opac |
| 07:23 | and the urls for nncipp endpoints | |
| 07:23 | i did a script for importing the data | |
| 07:23 | https://github.com/digibib/bb2koha | |
| 07:23 | we'll get to that in a bit | |
| 07:24 | * magnuse | adds it to the NNCIPP wiki page |
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| 07:34 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:34 | wahanui | kia ora, gaetan_B |
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| 07:37 | oha | magnuse++ |
| 07:39 | is there a way in TT to do something like: [% USE dumper; Dumper.dump(THE_WHOLE_STASH) %] | |
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| 07:51 | fridolin | hie there |
| 08:00 | ashimema | . |
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| 08:25 | magnuse | oha: [% USE Dumper %] <pre>[% Dumper.dump_html( somevar ) %]</pre> |
| 08:26 | or [% USE Dumper %] [% Dumper.dump(somevar) %] | |
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| 08:41 | oha | magnuse: yeah, the question is how to dump the WHOLE stash |
| 08:42 | or you will have to guess what's in there | |
| 08:42 | magnuse | ah |
| 08:43 | so it's more a question of how to access the whole stash? | |
| 08:43 | oha | yep |
| 08:47 | magnuse | oha: seen http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=641731 and http://mail.template-toolkit.o[…]ruary/000617.html ? |
| 08:47 | wahanui | I haven't seen 'http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=641731', magnuse |
| 08:51 | oha | magnuse: the empty key trick doesn't seem to work |
| 08:52 | and switching to Template::Alloy might be a good idea on the long run, but a bit too much :) | |
| 08:54 | i will live without it | |
| 09:06 | alexbuckley_ | If someone has time could they please test bug 18438, and let me know if they believe I have solved the issue Jonathan identified in comment 9? I'd be keen to hear a second opinion |
| 09:06 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18438 major, P5 - low, ---, alexbuckley, Failed QA , Check in: Modal about holds hides important check in messages |
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| 09:45 | cait | Joubu++ # what's on ... |
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| 10:25 | nlegrand | Hey. |
| 10:27 | magnuse | hiya nlegrand |
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| 10:35 | nlegrand | o/ magnuse |
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| 11:24 | tcohen | morning |
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| 11:35 | magnuse | hiya tcohen and petter |
| 11:38 | petter | hei! |
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| 11:40 | tcohen | hola magnuse petter |
| 11:41 | magnuse | it's fun to stay at the O-P-L! |
| 11:41 | oleonard | Hi all |
| 11:42 | eythian | hi oleonard |
| 11:42 | wahanui | hi oleopard |
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| 11:50 | oleonard | Dev meeting in 1hr 10 minutes? |
| 11:51 | tcohen | 1 hr and 10 min? |
| 11:54 | LibraryClaire | erk, forgot about the clock change |
| 11:54 | oleonard | https://www.timeanddate.com/wo[…]g&iso=20170426T13 |
| 11:54 | Hi LibraryClaire | |
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| 11:55 | tcohen | mi clock says 8:55 and the timeanddate site says it is at 10 |
| 11:55 | LibraryClaire | hi oleonard |
| 11:55 | wahanui | hi oleopard |
| 11:57 | oleonard | My clock says 7:56 and the timeaddate site says it is at 9 |
| 11:57 | :P | |
| 11:57 | kidclamp | oh, i thought meeting was at now, but it is now+1hr |
| 11:57 | LibraryClaire | I thought the same kidclamp |
| 11:57 | * LibraryClaire | goes back to sleep |
| 11:57 | * kidclamp | powers down |
| 11:58 | * oleonard | disengages phasers |
| 11:58 | tcohen | hi kidclamp |
| 11:59 | kidclamp | oleonard is apparently prepared for making controversial changes at the meeting |
| 11:59 | * magnuse | shakes his fist at timt |
| 11:59 | kidclamp | hi tco |
| 11:59 | heh, have to hit tab, not just think it | |
| 11:59 | tcohen | hahah |
| 12:00 | Joubu: I think we should use a granade on Auth.pm instead | |
| 12:00 | *grenade* | |
| 12:00 | oleonard | tab-completion should work on any word you're thinking. |
| 12:01 | tcohen | oleonard: you need to first enable QueryOrNotAutoTruncation |
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| 12:39 | oha | tcohen: Auth.pm? :) |
| 12:39 | cait1 | Auth.pm? |
| 12:39 | wahanui | well, Auth.pm is second to search.pm in terribleness :) |
| 12:40 | oha | wahanui: you see... there is worse! |
| 12:40 | wahanui | OK, oha. |
| 12:40 | tcohen | oha: hi |
| 12:40 | oleonard | you see... there? |
| 12:40 | wahanui | you see... there is worse! |
| 12:41 | oha | i shouldn't have done that, i see it now |
| 12:41 | * oleonard | uses grenadine on Auth.pm |
| 12:41 | oha | tcohen: btw... speaking about Auth.pm, do you know i started refactoring it, right? |
| 12:41 | tcohen | yes |
| 12:42 | oha | so go ahead, nuke it :) i need some pressure |
| 12:42 | oleonard | wahanui: forget you see... there |
| 12:42 | wahanui | oleonard: I forgot you see... there |
| 12:43 | tcohen | oha: when are you finishing the refactoring? :_Dç |
| 12:43 | oha | it is working for us, but i need help on CAS/shib et all for testing |
| 12:44 | in the meanwhile i change focus, working on ILL | |
| 12:44 | changed* | |
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| 12:45 | tcohen | oha++ |
| 12:45 | magnuse | s/timt/time/ |
| 12:46 | oha++ | |
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| 12:58 | Joubu | oha: maybe the 2 prefs DumpTemplateVars* |
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| 13:00 | cait1 | meeting time? |
| 13:00 | wahanui | mmm meat |
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| 13:00 | kidclamp | eating time? |
| 13:01 | Joubu | morning time |
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| 13:01 | atheia | Wheeeeee! I'm on time for the meeting! |
| 13:01 | kidclamp | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 26 April 2017 |
| 13:01 | huginn` | Meeting started Wed Apr 26 13:01:41 2017 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 13:01 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 13:01 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 April 2017) | |
| 13:01 | huginn` | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_26_april_2017' |
| 13:01 | kidclamp | #topic Introductions |
| 13:01 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 13:01 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 April 2017) | |
| 13:02 | kidclamp | #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions, USA |
| 13:02 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA |
| 13:02 | cait1 | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 13:02 | atheia | #info Alex Sassmannshausen, PTFS Europe, Belgium |
| 13:02 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
| 13:02 | caboose | #info, Michael Cabus, ByWater Solutions, USA (Princeton NJ) |
| 13:03 | oha | should i do the same? :) |
| 13:04 | Joubu | yes |
| 13:04 | kidclamp | yes please oha |
| 13:04 | Joubu | jajm: around? |
| 13:04 | LibraryClaire | #info Claire Gravely, BSZ, Germany |
| 13:04 | oha | #info Francesco Rivetti |
| 13:04 | jajm | Joubu, yep |
| 13:04 | #info Julian Maurice, BibLibre | |
| 13:05 | mveron | #info Marc Véron, Koha Support Schweiz, www.koha-support.ch |
| 13:05 | Joubu | alex_a, blou, fridolin1, francharb, LibraryClaire, nlegrand? |
| 13:05 | petter | #info Petter G. Åsen, Oslo public library |
| 13:05 | Joubu | fredericd:? |
| 13:05 | LibraryClaire | ^ |
| 13:05 | Joubu | I am going to create a list of people to ping 5min before the min... |
| 13:05 | LibraryClaire: Hi! :) | |
| 13:05 | LibraryClaire | hi ;) |
| 13:06 | alex_a | #info Alex Arnaud, Biblibre |
| 13:06 | kidclamp | Joubu: we (bywater) all have alerts set for groups, heydevs, heysales, etc - maybe we could have people opt in for shouts in here? |
| 13:06 | NateC | you rang? |
| 13:06 | magnuse | #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 13:07 | jajm | Joubu, an automatic ping before the meetings would be great :) I add an alert to google calendar, but that's not enough |
| 13:07 | Joubu | kidclamp: may work yes |
| 13:07 | kidclamp | #topic Announcements |
| 13:07 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 April 2017) | |
| 13:07 | cait1 | maybe a claendar one could subscribe to? |
| 13:08 | not sure where we could put it, but it might help | |
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| 13:09 | kidclamp | can huginn or wahanui be set to ping us on a schedule? |
| 13:09 | tcohen | #info Tomás Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions |
| 13:09 | josef_moravec | #info Josef Moravec, Municipal library Usti nad Orlici |
| 13:09 | kidclamp | full house |
| 13:09 | any announcements from anyone? | |
| 13:10 | tcohen | Elasticsearch in Kohadevbox |
| 13:10 | Joubu | I may submit a RM proposal in the next few days |
| 13:10 | tcohen | #info Elasticsearch 1.x support in kohadevbox has been removed, and the default it is now to install ES 5.x |
| 13:11 | oleonard | Joubu++ |
| 13:11 | kidclamp | bug 18434 |
| 13:11 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18434 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Elasticsearch indexing broken with newer catmandu version |
| 13:11 | magnuse | tcohen++ |
| 13:11 | kidclamp | #info Jonathan is working on a RM proposal |
| 13:12 | cait1 | Joubu++ |
| 13:12 | atheia | Joubu++ |
| 13:12 | barton | #info Barton Chittenden, BWS, Louisville KY |
| 13:12 | oha | RM? |
| 13:12 | wahanui | RM is jcamins |
| 13:12 | atheia | oha: Release Manager |
| 13:12 | wahanui | Release Manager is probably at KohaCon |
| 13:12 | kidclamp | RM= Release Manager |
| 13:12 | oha | of course |
| 13:13 | kidclamp | moving on |
| 13:13 | #topic Update from the Release manager (17.05) | |
| 13:13 | Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release manager (17.05) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 April 2017) | |
| 13:13 | oleonard | wahanui: forget RM |
| 13:13 | wahanui | oleonard: I forgot rm |
| 13:14 | kidclamp | khall is not here - he plans to push all pqa enhancements before the slush so get those in now |
| 13:14 | he sent out dates in his email and Joubu repeated | |
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| 13:14 | kidclamp | May 5 - Feature Slush |
| 13:14 | May 12 - Feature Freeze, String Freeze, 1st Draft of Release Notes | |
| 13:14 | May 19 - Release Beta, 2nd Draft of Release Notes | |
| 13:14 | May 26 - Final Release | |
| 13:14 | May 27 - Champagne! | |
| 13:15 | any comments? | |
| 13:15 | ashimema | Champagne on my Birthday... bonus ;) |
| 13:15 | Joubu | I will certainly s/Champagne/Beers/ |
| 13:16 | oleonard | Maybe if you were old enough ashimema |
| 13:16 | cait1 | forget RM |
| 13:16 | atheia | So… we would really love to get stockrotation in this release, but that obviously depends on QA being good on it. |
| 13:16 | ashimema | haha |
| 13:16 | atheia | If we get it Signed Off before Feature Slush might that still work? what does community think? Not sure about the deadlines and what they mean? |
| 13:17 | Joubu | nothing matching "stock" in the NQA queue |
| 13:17 | bug#? | |
| 13:17 | francharb | #info francharb, inlibro |
| 13:17 | thanks Joubu for the reminder | |
| 13:17 | atheia | 11897 Joubu |
| 13:17 | Joubu | atheia: I explained what means the deadling in my email from yesterday |
| 13:17 | bug 11897 | |
| 13:17 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11897 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Failed QA , Stock Rotation for Koha |
| 13:18 | atheia | Sorry — I must have missed that email somehow! (I blame my terrible cold!) |
| 13:18 | kidclamp | moving on |
| 13:18 | #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers | |
| 13:18 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 April 2017) | |
| 13:19 | kidclamp | cait, jajm, mtj |
| 13:19 | cait1 | ah sorry |
| 13:19 | ok, release 16.11.07 is done | |
| 13:19 | jajm | the next 3.22.x (3.22.21) release will probably be the last |
| 13:19 | cait1 | makes sense |
| 13:20 | 16.11.08 is planned for 22nd again, with string freeze a week before | |
| 13:20 | oleonard | jajm++ |
| 13:20 | cait1++ | |
| 13:20 | cait1 | i plan to push Hea2 patches soon |
| 13:20 | Joubu | jajm: would be great to have hea v2 in it then |
| 13:20 | cait1 | some tests on Jenkins are failing - still need some help with that |
| 13:21 | kidclamp | #info 3.22.21 will be final 3.22 release |
| 13:21 | #info 16.11.08 is planned for release on the 22nd | |
| 13:21 | #info hea2 is being considered for both | |
| 13:21 | jajm | Joubu, ok |
| 13:21 | tcohen1 | Joubu++ |
| 13:22 | cait1 | https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Build/testReport/ |
| 13:22 | #link https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Build/testReport/ failing tests on Jenkins for 16.11.x | |
| 13:22 | kidclamp | anything else? |
| 13:22 | wahanui | anything else is, like, just being crap |
| 13:23 | oleonard | wahanui you are full of sass |
| 13:23 | wahanui | ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.|a little bit creepy.|right sometimes|a strange duck|a bot...|rumoured to be a sentient bot with sass|<reply> an extremely creepy stalker bot.... you have been warned|a parrot|<reply> wrong|<reply> on fire|<reply> gaining knowledge faster than sustainable|canadian|google|<reply> wahanui couldn't be bothered to show up|laser kiwi of the bo |
| 13:23 | kidclamp | moving on :-) |
| 13:23 | #topic Updates from the QA team | |
| 13:23 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 April 2017) | |
| 13:23 | kidclamp | Joubu sent a good summary of things yesterday, please read his email |
| 13:24 | cait1 | Joubu++ |
| 13:24 | kidclamp | #info read 'what's on in koha-devel 12' for a good update |
| 13:24 | barton | Joubu++ |
| 13:25 | kidclamp | I still owe an email or wiki page on elastic and am working on that |
| 13:26 | atheia | joubu++ |
| 13:26 | cait1 | kidclamp++ |
| 13:26 | kidclamp | but as tcohen mentioned it 5.x is built into kohadevbox and please ask if you have any troubles getting it going |
| 13:26 | ashimema | Joubu++ |
| 13:26 | kidclamp | #action kidclamp is working on a summary/update of ES work |
| 13:27 | #info atheia asks for SO/QA to look at bug 11897 | |
| 13:27 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11897 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Failed QA , Stock Rotation for Koha |
| 13:28 | kidclamp | we have 1 critical and 5 majors in the NQA queue |
| 13:28 | anyone interested in joinin QA for the next release shoudl submit their names - there is plenty of low hanging fruit to train on | |
| 13:28 | so don't be afraid | |
| 13:29 | #info interested members please submit their names for QA for next release | |
| 13:29 | anything to add joubu, jajm, ashimema marcelr, tcohen , fridolin1 | |
| 13:30 | ashimema | think you've nicely covered it there.. we need as much help as we can get |
| 13:30 | tcohen | I'd like to add |
| 13:31 | that there are lots of REST api implementing bugs | |
| 13:31 | ashimema | also, don't feel afraid about not having enough time.. anything you can fit in helps |
| 13:31 | tcohen | that lack QA for a lot of time |
| 13:31 | Joubu | 5 people is not enough :) |
| 13:31 | tcohen | I volunteer to help, but please bug owners, answer the questions! |
| 13:32 | kidclamp | and signing off on QA teams patches (or offering cookies) is a good way to get your patches looked at :-) |
| 13:32 | ashimema | many hands and all that |
| 13:32 | caboose | I really want to do more QA so I can help |
| 13:32 | *newbie, but wanting to be more skilled | |
| 13:33 | kidclamp | SO is also a really good place to start |
| 13:33 | wahanui | okay, kidclamp. |
| 13:33 | kidclamp | bah |
| 13:33 | * ashimema | is always happy to try and help upskill people so that's another |
| 13:33 | Joubu | kidclamp: it is the definition of corruption, right? :) |
| 13:34 | * barton | may take ashimema up on that :-) |
| 13:34 | ashimema | so yeah.. don't fell put off.. instead if your not confident about something just ask someone.. |
| 13:34 | kidclamp | #info the QA team wants to help you learn - so ask us questions and get involved |
| 13:35 | * ashimema | knows he's been crap of late.. but I will always try to get back to people eventually ;) |
| 13:35 | ashimema | :) |
| 13:35 | kidclamp | ashimema++ |
| 13:35 | barton | I was thinking that maybe we could have a signoff-fest or something... |
| 13:35 | kidclamp | wahanui: so |
| 13:35 | wahanui | i think so is a really good place to start |
| 13:35 | barton | a bit like a GBSD, but for sign offs. |
| 13:35 | kidclamp | wahanui forget so |
| 13:35 | wahanui | kidclamp: I forgot so |
| 13:35 | kidclamp | GBSD is for sign offs :-) |
| 13:36 | fridolin1 | sorry im underwarter |
| 13:36 | barton | oh. |
| 13:36 | well. | |
| 13:36 | kidclamp | fridolin1 (blub blub) |
| 13:36 | barton | shows you what I know ;-) |
| 13:36 | Joubu | I think GBSD for bugfixes only, before the release would be great |
| 13:36 | ashimema | +1 on that |
| 13:37 | barton | I'm game :-) |
| 13:37 | kidclamp | may 10th? same as next dev meeting? |
| 13:37 | caboose | I'm game too! |
| 13:37 | kidclamp | since we should all be around then? |
| 13:37 | atheia | Yeah, cool idea! |
| 13:37 | ashimema | works for me |
| 13:37 | cait1 | is it not too late? |
| 13:37 | kidclamp | if we just do bugs and not enhancments |
| 13:37 | cait1 | ah ok |
| 13:38 | kidclamp | and is early for next release |
| 13:38 | ashimema | indeed.. make is 'bug only' then it should be solid |
| 13:39 | kidclamp | #action GBSD - bugs only edition - May 10th to clean up for 17.05 release |
| 13:39 | Joubu | There are not much bugs with patches attached, should be easy to make all them moved forward |
| 13:39 | cait1 | kidclamp++ :) |
| 13:40 | kidclamp | if there aren't enough maybe devs can patch some more :-) |
| 13:40 | Joubu | count on me for that :p |
| 13:40 | cait1 | would people be interested to have a doc writing event after the release? |
| 13:40 | Joubu | I am going to focus on bugfixes for the next 2 weeks |
| 13:41 | kidclamp | okay, I think we bled into next topic too |
| 13:41 | #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) | |
| 13:41 | Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 April 2017) | |
| 13:41 | kidclamp | #info Joubu is working on bug fixes for next two weeks, help is appreciated |
| 13:41 | francharb | cait1, good idea! |
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| 13:41 | atheia | cait1: I think that's a good idea too. |
| 13:41 | kidclamp | cait++ |
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| 13:41 | ashimema | cait1++ |
| 13:42 | * cait1 | wrote herself a reminder about that |
| 13:42 | ashimema | I was thinking similar.. |
| 13:42 | * ashimema | still has some shibboleth docs to write :( |
| 13:42 | * magnuse | has to leave |
| 13:42 | kidclamp | #action cait wants to schedule a doc writing fest after GBSD |
| 13:43 | #action cait wants to schedule a doc writing fest after the release that is | |
| 13:43 | tcohen | Joubu++ |
| 13:43 | kidclamp | any more topics? dont want to keep us all too long - there is a release on the way! |
| 13:43 | cait1 | heh |
| 13:44 | kidclamp | #topic Review of coding guidelines |
| 13:44 | Topic for #koha is now Review of coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 April 2017) | |
| 13:44 | oha | we have needs to have a system to execute background jobs |
| 13:44 | and i know Joubu will need something as well like that | |
| 13:44 | not sure if this is the right moment/place to talk about it tho | |
| 13:44 | Joubu | oha: I sent an email to dcook yesterday, he announced something about that 2 months ago |
| 13:44 | I'd like to know if he has something on the grill to submit | |
| 13:45 | or if we should start our own from scratch | |
| 13:45 | oha | ok, count me in if in case |
| 13:45 | * ashimema | uses Minion for background tasks.. fits lovely with Mojo |
| 13:46 | kidclamp | #info joubu and oha looking at background jobs, trying to coordinate with dcook in case he has begun work |
| 13:46 | Joubu | ashimema: any pointers are welcome |
| 13:46 | kidclamp | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ests_are_required guideline_proposal1 |
| 13:46 | * ashimema | willl go dig out the email and reply there |
| 13:47 | Joubu | oha: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]April/043671.html |
| 13:47 | oha | Joubu: thanks. ashimema great! |
| 13:47 | kidclamp | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_Koha::Exceptions guideline_proposal2 |
| 13:48 | marcelr is not around, but does anyone have comments or questions on these? | |
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| 13:48 | * ashimema | is quickly reading those two |
| 13:48 | Joubu | yes, something |
| 13:48 | wahanui | something is fishy |
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| 13:49 | ashimema | I'm deffo happy with the first one |
| 13:49 | Joubu | I am rewriting stuffs, and moving them to Koha, right? |
| 13:49 | I think that everybody is aware of that | |
| 13:49 | kidclamp | if you say so :-) |
| 13:49 | Joubu | I submit tests when I move stuffs |
| 13:49 | so I do not think it is necessary to have people working on writing tests for C4 | |
| 13:49 | just signoff my patches... | |
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| 13:50 | kidclamp | hmm..but if they add to C4 does it not help you to have existing tests when moving? |
| 13:50 | cait1 | hm even when something i changed in C4? |
| 13:50 | kidclamp | I mean, I am happy to write less tests :-) |
| 13:50 | ashimema | also happy with the move to Exceptions |
| 13:50 | josef_moravec | Joubu++ that does make sense |
| 13:50 | * oha | must go :( |
| 13:50 | cait1 | ideally we shouldn't do that, but there might be bug fixes etc. with regression tests |
| 13:50 | Joubu | maybe I did not understand what the guidelines says |
| 13:51 | kidclamp | I think it's a good guideline with room for judgement calls on testing old code? |
| 13:51 | cait1 | always feel better when there are tests when i push holds stuff for example :) |
| 13:51 | Joubu | someone to resume? |
| 13:51 | ashimema | I think it's mostly covered by `as well as for changes to existing routines (perhaps excluding very trivial edits)` |
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| 13:51 | kidclamp | i.e. if someone doesn't add tests to C4 QA can judge whether to pass or fail |
| 13:51 | cait1 | Unit tests must be provided for *ALL* new routines in modules, as well as for changes to existing routines ... |
| 13:51 | Joubu | yes but... that is already the case for years now :) |
| 13:52 | ok, so nothing new. We are just writing down something that was missing | |
| 13:52 | ashimema | it's just good to have it in writing :) |
| 13:52 | cait1 | yep |
| 13:52 | ashimema | yup |
| 13:52 | pretty much | |
| 13:52 | kidclamp | yup |
| 13:52 | Joubu | ok sorry then :) |
| 13:52 | cait1 | good for new people and also to back up qa etc |
| 13:53 | * ashimema | would also be tempted to somehow try and encourage documentation submissions along with the code submissions. |
| 13:53 | kidclamp | #startvote Should we accept the proposed changes to guideline PERL17? Yes,No |
| 13:53 | huginn` | Begin voting on: Should we accept the proposed changes to guideline PERL17? Valid vote options are Yes, No. |
| 13:53 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 13:53 | kidclamp | #vote Yes |
| 13:53 | tcohen | #vote Yes |
| 13:53 | ashimema | sometimes I spend half the time QA'ing somthing trying to get my head around what it's actually meant to do.. it would really help everyone if new features had full documentation submitted as part of the bug |
| 13:53 | cait1 | #vote Yes |
| 13:53 | Joubu | #vote yes |
| 13:53 | barton | #vote Yes |
| 13:53 | ashimema | #vote Yes |
| 13:54 | atheia | #vote Yes |
| 13:54 | mveron | #vote Yes |
| 13:54 | josef_moravec | #vote Yes |
| 13:54 | cait1 | ashimema: ideally the test plans should help - but having help pages/manual patches would be great too |
| 13:54 | kidclamp | glast call |
| 13:54 | atheia | ashimema: if so, where would we stick the documentation? Because there is a separate process for koha docs submission no? |
| 13:54 | barton | documentation++ |
| 13:54 | kidclamp | #endvote |
| 13:54 | huginn` | Voted on "Should we accept the proposed changes to guideline PERL17?" Results are |
| 13:54 | Yes (9): Joubu, cait1, josef_moravec, ashimema, atheia, barton, kidclamp, tcohen, mveron | |
| 13:55 | kidclamp | discussion on PERL26? |
| 13:55 | ashimema | yeah.. test plans certainly help.. but sometimes it's more involved understanding the background of how to setup the test than it is to just run through the actual bit of the plan.. |
| 13:55 | PERL26++ from me | |
| 13:55 | cait | we got a bit of a backlog with documenation right now - will have to catch up |
| 13:55 | ashimema | indeed.. that's kinda my point cait ;) |
| 13:55 | cait | I know :) |
| 13:56 | maybe soething for a meeting with rangi around | |
| 13:56 | to see how we could make it work workflow-wise | |
| 13:56 | atheia | cait++ |
| 13:56 | kidclamp | #startvote Should we accept the proposed changes to guideline PERL26? Yes,No |
| 13:56 | * ashimema | is generally trying to encourage documentation submissions with new work at ptfs-e these days |
| 13:56 | huginn` | Begin voting on: Should we accept the proposed changes to guideline PERL26? Valid vote options are Yes, No. |
| 13:56 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 13:56 | Joubu | we need an example module for exception. We do not have much things using it pushed |
| 13:56 | atheia | #vote Yes |
| 13:56 | Joubu | #vote yes |
| 13:56 | ashimema | #vote Yes |
| 13:56 | kidclamp | #vote Yes |
| 13:56 | josef_moravec | #vote yes |
| 13:56 | atheia | The guideline suggests an example no? |
| 13:56 | barton | #vote Yes |
| 13:56 | tcohen | #vote Yes |
| 13:56 | cait | #vote yes |
| 13:56 | atheia | (I didn't look at the example yet though) |
| 13:57 | kidclamp | last call |
| 13:57 | #endvote | |
| 13:57 | huginn` | Voted on "Should we accept the proposed changes to guideline PERL26?" Results are |
| 13:57 | Yes (8): Joubu, cait, josef_moravec, ashimema, atheia, barton, kidclamp, tcohen | |
| 13:57 | kidclamp | #info as people work on exceptions please add best examples to PERL26 |
| 13:57 | Joubu | there is no guideline for logging |
| 13:58 | atheia: yes indeed but the example is not the perfect example :) | |
| 13:58 | and would be good to have a small piece of code on the wiki, instead of refering to the codebase | |
| 13:58 | atheia | Yeah, fair enough, that sounds sensible. |
| 13:59 | kidclamp | #action marcelr please provide a code snippet for PERL26 if you have one :-) |
| 13:59 | #topic Set time of next meeting | |
| 13:59 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 April 2017) | |
| 13:59 | * ashimema | is slightly upset that there's no POD in Koha::Exceptions :( |
| 14:00 | ashimema | even if it just told you to go read the POD on Exception::Class |
| 14:00 | atheia | Hey… should we be talking about the gender neutral language guideline proposal? |
| 14:00 | cait | hm |
| 14:00 | https://perldoc.koha-community.org/ | |
| 14:00 | are we missing the newer versions there? | |
| 14:00 | atheia | Or is that somehow out of scope? |
| 14:00 | kidclamp | May 10th, 21 UTC? NZ folks have had a hard time making meeting and that would help |
| 14:00 | cait | sounds good to me |
| 14:01 | * ashimema | doesn't see a gender neutral language proposal |
| 14:01 | Joubu | not in the agenda |
| 14:01 | atheia | ashimema: there was something on the mailing list. |
| 14:01 | cait | hm yeah, but it was written |
| 14:01 | kidclamp | bug 18432 |
| 14:01 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18432 trivial, P5 - low, ---, ephetteplace, Pushed to Master , Most code comments assume male gender |
| 14:01 | Joubu | and the author does not seem around :) |
| 14:01 | cait | i tihnk maybe not aware on how to add |
| 14:02 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_Neutral_Pronouns | |
| 14:02 | kidclamp | so is a coding guideline proposal? |
| 14:02 | cait | i'd say so - maybe we could find a better example later |
| 14:02 | atheia | Yeah, I think that was the if I recall correctly. |
| 14:02 | kidclamp | I think add to next meeting |
| 14:02 | cait | ok |
| 14:03 | ashimema | agreed.. |
| 14:03 | atheia | Sure. |
| 14:03 | ashimema | there's also a proposal dating back to 2014 about formalising in a guidline that we use american english |
| 14:03 | kidclamp | #action phette23 should add gender neutral pronouns proposal to coding guidleines for next meeting |
| 14:03 | * Joubu | is happy that someone reads his test's descriptions |
| 14:03 | ashimema | in the 'discussion' tab on the wiki |
| 14:03 | atheia | ^^ |
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| 14:04 | kidclamp | #info Next Meeting: May 10th 2017, 21 UTC |
| 14:04 | cait | heh and i commented |
| 14:04 | kidclamp | last call |
| 14:04 | cait | +1 |
| 14:04 | * Joubu | would have spent more than 3sec to write it, if he had known... |
| 14:05 | kidclamp | #endmeeting |
| 14:05 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the #koha IRC chat | Code of conduct - https://koha-community.org/abo[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 14:05 | huginn` | Meeting ended Wed Apr 26 14:05:23 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:05 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-04-26-13.01.html | |
| 14:05 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]7-04-26-13.01.txt | |
| 14:05 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]26-13.01.log.html | |
| 14:05 | kidclamp | thank you everyone! that was a good meeting |
| 14:05 | cait | kidclamp++ |
| 14:05 | mveron | kidclamp++ |
| 14:06 | oleonard | kidclamp++ |
| 14:06 | atheia | kidclamp++ |
| 14:06 | LibraryClaire | kidclamp++ |
| 14:07 | josef_moravec | kidclamp++ |
| 14:07 | ashimema | kidclamp++ |
| 14:07 | josef_moravec | later #koha |
| 14:09 | Joubu | oleonard: around? |
| 14:09 | oleonard | Yes |
| 14:10 | Joubu | bug 18462 and bug 17942 |
| 14:10 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18462 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, ASSIGNED , Implemented bootstrap styling on the web installer and onboarding tool |
| 14:10 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17942 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, BLOCKED , Update style of the web installer with Bootstrap 3 | |
| 14:10 | Joubu | there is something not clear at all, at least for me |
| 14:11 | Be care not to duplicate work, or work on an outdated code | |
| 14:11 | the base should be bug 17855 | |
| 14:11 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17855 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , New onboarding tool feature to guide users through setting up Koha, and minor web installer UI improvements |
| 14:11 | Joubu | just notice it, just in case... |
| 14:12 | oleonard | Alex created Bug 18462 and copied the work from 17942. I'm not entirely sure why, but I'm doing some cleanup to make sure it's up to date. |
| 14:13 | I'll have a follow-up patch for it today | |
| 14:13 | cait | oleonard++ |
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| 14:13 | Joubu | oleonard: It would be awesome to have it for 17.05 :) |
| 14:14 | oleonard | I think so too! |
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| 15:27 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:31 | oleonard | I added my follow-up to Bug 18462. It's all template stuff, so I hope it can be tested easily. |
| 16:31 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18462 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Implemented bootstrap styling on the web installer and onboarding tool |
| 16:53 | oleonard | Bug 11897 doesn't apply anymore :( |
| 16:53 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11897 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Patch doesn't apply , Stock Rotation for Koha |
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| 18:04 | magnuse | i have some old code that does $data = &GetBiblioData($biblionumber); and then $data->{'marcxml'}; to get the marcxml. what's the new best practice for doing that after marcxml was moved? |
| 18:05 | ah GetXmlBiblio | |
| 18:22 | Joubu | indeed |
| 18:28 | rangi: I've just sent you a PR for koha-dashboard | |
| 19:00 | oleonard | bye all |
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| 19:38 | liv_ong | I'm in need of speeding up koha |
| 19:39 | I have nearly three hundred thousands records, and the search engine begins to lag | |
| 19:39 | how could I optimize search times? | |
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| 19:43 | cait | hi liv_ong |
| 19:43 | not sure how many people are around - bit late for europe too early for nz | |
| 19:43 | maybe try to ask your question on the mailing list or try the chat at another time | |
| 19:48 | Joubu | liv_ong: Koha version? Are you using plack & memcached correctly configured? |
| 19:48 | search engine lags? What do you mean? | |
| 19:51 | rangi | 300,000 shouldn't be a problem we have libraries much larger than that |
| 19:51 | Joubu: looking now | |
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| 19:58 | cait | hm koha facets can be slow |
| 19:59 | well zebra facets actually | |
| 19:59 | deactivating that sped up search in some cases for us | |
| 20:06 | rangi | khall_away: commit 8c3fc47338fed6c35ea21a6524d6c1a109861ebf can you take a look at that, can we fix the author lines on commits like that please? |
| 20:08 | im 99% sure that was alex from biblibre, but we (all of us) should have failed qa on that having a dodgy author in patch | |
| 20:08 | Joubu | oops, now 19 majors! |
| 20:08 | rangi | Author: = <=> |
| 20:10 | Joubu++ #rm proposal | |
| 20:10 | cait | ? |
| 20:11 | rangi | cait: look at that commit id i just posted to kyle |
| 20:12 | cait | ah |
| 20:12 | rangi | something for QA, RM, etc to keep in mind, we should not let commits go in like that, when we can git commit --amend --author= |
| 20:12 | etc | |
| 20:12 | cait | subject line is wrong too |
| 20:12 | rangi | *nod* |
| 20:12 | cait | not sure if that works with the release script |
| 20:12 | it might | |
| 20:13 | rangi | I think we need to make fixing the wiki for 17.11 too |
| 20:13 | cait | probably catches lots of variations by now |
| 20:13 | oh yes please | |
| 20:15 | Joubu | rangi: I do not think it's possible to edit in the git repo, that will rewrite the commit (commitid will change) |
| 20:15 | rangi | Get rid of CGI emulation and move to a Plack app <-- big goal, but a great one, will remove so many |
| 20:16 | Joubu | we will need to force pushed, what we do not want :) |
| 20:16 | rangi | Joubu: yes not possible now, but i was meaning we should always check and fix before pushing |
| 20:16 | because now its there forever | |
| 20:16 | Joubu | note that none of the items are in my goals, there are just examples |
| 20:16 | rangi | yep |
| 20:16 | Joubu | they* |
| 20:17 | rangi | i think the cgi emulation will have to be done over multiple releases |
| 20:17 | and probably path by path | |
| 20:17 | ie /admin/ -> straight plack | |
| 20:18 | cait | what kind of changes are needed for htat? |
| 20:18 | rangi | /tools/ -> still cgi emulation |
| 20:18 | cait: the scripts themselves need to be converted from cgi ones, to plack ones | |
| 20:19 | cait | can you explain a bit more? |
| 20:19 | rangi | http://advent.plackperl.org/20[…]apps-to-psgi.html |
| 20:19 | is one way to do it | |
| 20:19 | there are others | |
| 20:21 | cait | thx! |
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| 20:35 | Joubu | bye #koha |
| 20:35 | liv_ong | Joubu: cait: thanks for answering, I'm not sure about plack and memcache, how do I enable it? |
| 20:39 | cait | how did you install koha? |
| 20:48 | liv_ong | cait: but this system was managed until yesterday |
| 20:49 | cait: so I don't know | |
| 20:49 | cait: by another person* | |
| 20:50 | cait | which version? |
| 20:50 | wahanui | which version is probably recommended? |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea | hi |
| 20:51 | wahanui | hello, wizzyrea |
| 20:52 | cait | liv_ong: check the about page |
| 20:52 | it has lots of important information | |
| 20:52 | gives you your installed version | |
| 20:52 | information about packages that might be missing | |
| 20:52 | and systemm information can show helpful information about missing/wrong configuration server side | |
| 20:53 | liv_ong | cait: will do and report back |
| 20:59 | another question cait , how could optimize search engine for koha(SEO)? | |
| 21:00 | cait | do yo umean in order to have your koha indexed by search engines like google? |
| 21:02 | hm no tcohen | |
| 21:02 | liv_ong | cait: exactly |
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