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| 01:53 | kathryn | hi I wanted to pass along a great quote from a new Koha library I visited today: "we deleted half of our user documentation, because Koha is so intuitive" Thanks for that, everyone! |
| 01:54 | that's is my feel-good Friday moment :D | |
| 02:25 | dilan | hey guys i keep getting redirected to the web installer every time i try to stage a marc record for import in my devbox |
| 02:26 | no matter how many times it completes successfully it never brings me to the actual screen | |
| 02:26 | has anyone seen else had this happen to them? | |
| 02:26 | *anyone else | |
| 02:26 | wizzyrea | can you do other stuff? |
| 02:27 | without being redirected to the web installers | |
| 02:27 | ? | |
| 02:27 | dilan | 1 sec let me try |
| 02:27 | nope | |
| 02:27 | wizzyrea | ok, have you gone through the web installer? |
| 02:27 | dilan | yes |
| 02:27 | wizzyrea | maybe did you pull a new version recently? |
| 02:28 | or update your master branch | |
| 02:28 | or something like | |
| 02:28 | probably what you need to do | |
| 02:28 | is in your devbox | |
| 02:29 | do sudo koha-plack --disable kohadev | |
| 02:29 | sudo apache2ctl restart | |
| 02:29 | go through the web installer again | |
| 02:29 | then sudo koha-plack --enable kohadev | |
| 02:29 | and sudo service memcached restart | |
| 02:29 | dilan | the devboxes are plackified upon spin up? |
| 02:29 | okay ill give it a go | |
| 02:29 | wizzyrea | and sudo service apache2ctl restart |
| 02:30 | again after you enable plack | |
| 02:30 | yes, they are | |
| 02:30 | dilan | that would explain a lot haha |
| 02:30 | wizzyrea | the web installer isn't fantastically plack compatible |
| 02:30 | :) | |
| 02:30 | yeah, you're gonna want to get familiar with | |
| 02:30 | koha-plack --restart kohadev && sudo service memcached restart | |
| 02:31 | so you can see your changes. | |
| 02:31 | and stuff. | |
| 02:38 | dilan | worked like a charm :) |
| 02:39 | thanks so much for that | |
| 03:09 | mtj | speaking of kohadevbox.. has anyone seen this error during the web install..? |
| 03:09 | DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): Table 'koha_kohadev.search_field' doesn't exist at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/Koha/Objects.pm line 101 | |
| 03:10 | ..on an empty db | |
| 03:10 | wizzyrea | mtj do you have a similar problem to dilan? |
| 03:10 | where you need to disable plack to go through the web installer | |
| 03:10 | mtj | it bombs on 'step 3' of the install |
| 03:10 | ive disabled plack already | |
| 03:11 | wizzyrea | what is the base os of this particular devbox? |
| 03:11 | mtj | debian stable (of course) |
| 03:12 | oh.. osx | |
| 03:12 | wizzyrea | naw I meant the virtualmachine |
| 03:12 | no, I'm sorry I have'nt seen that one | |
| 03:12 | i mean maybe I have but if I have | |
| 03:12 | it was something dumb | |
| 03:12 | mtj | ah yeah, .. jessie |
| 03:12 | wizzyrea | like plack was running or memcached needed to be restarted after a pull |
| 03:13 | mtj | yeah... done all at jazz twice |
| 03:13 | wizzyrea | are you at a specific commit? |
| 03:13 | or just master? | |
| 03:14 | mtj | master, 16.11, and 16.5 |
| 03:15 | wizzyrea | has to be your environment then, though someone just posted about that -ish error on the list |
| 03:16 | mysql version? maybe jessie just got 5.7? | |
| 03:16 | http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]oftware_Error.jpg | |
| 03:16 | this was on the list earlier | |
| 03:16 | but it's not quite the same | |
| 03:18 | mtj | ooh, very close tho... line 101 |
| 03:18 | wizzyrea | yeah it's dying at the same spot |
| 03:18 | mtj | me just rebooted vm |
| 03:22 | pastebot | "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "kohadevbox error" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/343 |
| 03:23 | mtj | hmm, still the same :( |
| 03:23 | wizzyrea | are you absolutely sure your plack is disabled? |
| 03:23 | it's not running at all | |
| 03:24 | ps ax | grep starman has no output? | |
| 03:24 | * wizzyrea | has to go soon |
| 03:25 | mtj | yes, plack is confirmed disabled |
| 03:27 | wizzyrea | sorry mtj, the neuron that the solution for that lives on, I think I killed it with gin earlier this week. :( |
| 03:29 | jcamins | wizzyrea: what kind of gin? |
| 03:29 | ^^ obviously the important question | |
| 03:30 | mtj | np, ill try a proper 'vagrant destroy ; vagrant up' later wizzyrea |
| 03:31 | jcamins: agree btw ^ :) | |
| 03:31 | wizzyrea | hehe it was bombay, not super amazing gin but not terrible. Slightly better than that made in a bathtub. |
| 03:31 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 03:31 | wizzyrea | anyway, ka kite ano, nga hoa! |
| 03:32 | oh I forgot some macrons. curses. | |
| 03:34 | mtj | cya wiz, have a good one |
| 03:35 | thanks again for your help :0) | |
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| 04:45 | kivilahtio | Joubu: I told you do as you please. I strongly disagree about removing biblioitems-linkage. |
| 04:45 | biblionumber should be only relevant in cataloguing and search context | |
| 04:45 | biblioitemnumber points to the real manifestation of work which has items and acquisitions and subscriptions etc | |
| 04:45 | biblio is a abstract form of metadata out of metadata | |
| 04:46 | now you bring us down even deeper | |
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| 06:01 | kivilahtio | is prove t/db_dependent/Koha ever ran on the community Jenkins? |
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| 06:56 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 07:05 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 07:09 | LibraryClaire | morning #koha |
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| 07:41 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:47 | fridolin | hie tehre |
| 07:47 | matts | hi ! |
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| 07:59 | eythian | wahanui: hello |
| 07:59 | wahanui | privet, eythian |
| 07:59 | eythian | wahanui: you're back! |
| 07:59 | wahanui | eythian: excuse me? |
| 08:00 | eythian | wahanui: your back, it has a spider on it |
| 08:00 | wahanui | eythian: excuse me? |
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| 08:12 | * LibraryClaire | hugs wahanui |
| 08:12 | LibraryClaire | wahanui: botsnack ice cream |
| 08:12 | wahanui | thanks LibraryClaire :) |
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| 08:18 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 09:40 | * LibraryClaire | pokes wahanui |
| 09:40 | wahanui | ouch! |
| 09:41 | LibraryClaire | me? |
| 09:41 | wahanui | LibraryClaire is the monster under my bed |
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| 10:02 | magnuse | @wunder enbo |
| 10:02 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (10:50 AM CET on March 17, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 28.71 in 972 hPa (Steady). |
| 10:39 | gaetan_B | cait: i just saw you're not comoing to the hackfest! what a strange hackfest will it be without you and magnuse! |
| 10:40 | magnuse | awww... |
| 10:40 | cait | thx gaetan_B - will miss you all too |
| 10:40 | but LibraryClaire will be there | |
| 10:41 | * magnuse | is looking forward to next year |
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| 10:49 | kivilahtio | ashimema: have you been working on the OAuth2 stuff? |
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| 11:18 | ashimema | I have.. but I got bunged on another project for a week so i'm behind.. as usual :( |
| 11:19 | the ::OAuth2::Server lib i'm relying on is undergoing a fairly big change right at he minute too.. so I called off work until that's complete | |
| 11:19 | Lee is aiming to work on it during the perl QA hackathon in Lyon | |
| 11:20 | Whilst I was working on implementing it into 3 apps here I found some bugs and irregularities with the subroutine signature which we both decided should be fixed before continuing. | |
| 11:21 | In short.. we were allowing some references to leak | |
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| 11:53 | rsantellan | good morning #koha |
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| 12:11 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 12:17 | Joubu | hi #koha |
| 12:18 | kivilahtio: thanks for commenting | |
| 12:19 | kivilahtio: biblio and biblioitems must be merged together anyway (even if you have things like representation of work, frbr, etc.) | |
| 12:19 | in mind* | |
| 12:20 | francharb | o/ #koha |
| 12:20 | Joubu | I will be really surprise if Koha works correctly with biblioitemnumber and biblionumber not in sync |
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| 12:26 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:27 | kivilahtio | Joubu: Koha has never worked with biblioitemnumber and biblionumber out of sync |
| 12:27 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:27 | kivilahtio | Joubu: the point is preserving good DB structure |
| 12:27 | Joubu | kivilahtio: so why should complicate my life? |
| 12:28 | DB structure is wrong | |
| 12:28 | tcohen | get rid of biblioitems! |
| 12:28 | Joubu | yes please |
| 12:28 | tcohen | create a biblioitems view for retro-compatibility! |
| 12:28 | good morning Joubu! | |
| 12:28 | kivilahtio | it is a massive change, effort is better spent making a working distinction between work and manifestation |
| 12:28 | tcohen | he |
| 12:29 | kivilahtio | which is pretty much switching to use biblioitemnumber instead of biblionumber |
| 12:30 | this way you have a foothold to extend to Bibframe | |
| 12:30 | fix some DB columns | |
| 12:30 | You will need to anyway deal with a bibliographic record which comprises of multiple tables | |
| 12:31 | Joubu | you will need to make Koha works with the 2 fields out of sync |
| 12:32 | kivilahtio | Joubu: it depends. Like I said earlier, you only need the biblio-column in cataloguing. Otherwise all fines, holds, acquisitions, subscriptions etc target the manifestation of work, the biblioitem |
| 12:32 | what I am concerned is that you maneuver to an awkward position using small steps. | |
| 12:33 | if you make changes to the way metadata is expressed in the DB you should go forward | |
| 12:33 | one way or the other, it is a big change | |
| 12:34 | instead of dropping biblioitems, switch all bibilinumber and biblioitemnumber refrence sto point into that | |
| 12:34 | I dont know why you have to move biblioitemnumber and biblionumber together every place, where it doesnät have any purpose | |
| 12:34 | Joubu | sorry, too early. I need tea, then I need to write patches |
| 12:35 | kivilahtio | but maintain the distinctions of different type of metadata about a bibliographic record |
| 12:35 | blou | Jumping in, completely out of the loop, but : We got production instances where biblionnumber and biblioitemnumber are out of sync. We don't know how it happened, but they work fine |
| 12:35 | Joubu | I think biblio and biblioitems tables are a decision history |
| 12:35 | and should be removed | |
| 12:35 | kivilahtio | Joubu: yes. Decision history looking forward 20 years too much :) |
| 12:35 | Joubu | and people working on this project for years agree with that |
| 12:35 | kivilahtio | but it has been 17 years Koha has been in existence |
| 12:36 | :) | |
| 12:36 | blou: I don't know how it works for you | |
| 12:36 | blou: maybe somebody fixed something :) | |
| 12:36 | Joubu | blou: black magic? Hope you have an exorcist |
| 12:37 | maybe it works I do not know, but reading the code, it should not | |
| 12:37 | kivilahtio | blou: the problem is that the results are not correct |
| 12:37 | blou | kivilahtio: I . don't. Know. But a "customer" asked us, because it caused problem when exporting to modify with MarcEdit. |
| 12:37 | But other than that, all normal usages are fine | |
| 12:37 | kivilahtio | you click a search result titled "Jane Doe" and get a detail view of "John Deer" |
| 12:37 | blou | Interesting. |
| 12:37 | wahanui | interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 12:37 | kivilahtio | blou: but this behaviour was with 3.16 |
| 12:38 | blou | they havent reported that issue |
| 12:38 | kivilahtio | blou: we have this in 3.16 |
| 12:38 | blou: but that is very old Koha already | |
| 12:38 | blou | (And they sure are the type to find such bad search result) |
| 12:38 | They are in 3.22 | |
| 12:39 | kivilahtio | blou: nice |
| 12:39 | blou | I could ask them to test today |
| 12:39 | kivilahtio | blou: I would imagine they have identified issues if there ar any |
| 12:39 | blou | I'll send an email right now |
| 12:39 | kivilahtio | they are rather apparent |
| 12:39 | blou: do they use serials-module, or acquisitions? | |
| 12:40 | blou | kivilahtio: I'll ask. Serials.: I'm pretty sure. Acqui, I don't know |
| 12:43 | kivilahtio: email sent, I should have a response within an hour (search, acqui, serials). | |
| 12:43 | kivilahtio | blou: ok. thanks |
| 12:45 | blou | Like I said: we have no idea how it happened. Since it's only with recent items, I suspect some cataloguing or import that failed in the middle. |
| 12:45 | I haven't explored since they reported no other problem than marcedit. | |
| 12:45 | Also: couldn't find an easy to fix that. Allllllllll the tables that would need to be validated and resynched simultaneously... argh. | |
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| 12:48 | eythian | @wunder ams |
| 12:48 | huginn` | eythian: The current temperature in Amsterdam, Netherlands is 9.0°C (1:25 PM CET on March 17, 2017). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:48 | kivilahtio | blou: there arent that many |
| 12:48 | blou: do not fall into despair | |
| 12:49 | blou: I did it but cant remember how anymore. I am pretty sure it was all one single SQL transaction | |
| 12:51 | Joubu | blou: if you do it, write a wiki page ;) |
| 12:52 | blou | :) |
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| 12:52 | blou | kivilahtio: Already got an answer: They use Serials and Acqui, a lot, and never reported an issue. |
| 12:52 | kivilahtio | thanks |
| 12:53 | blou | searches, on the other hand, gives an error |
| 12:53 | kivilahtio | blou: maybe we don't have to fear then :) |
| 12:53 | snap | |
| 12:53 | blou | when searching by notice number. It returns both (the matching biblio and the matching biblioitem) |
| 12:54 | kivilahtio | what is a notice number? |
| 12:54 | blou | no issue reported with just searching with names (otherwise, I'm sure I would have had to fix it AND create a wiki :) ) |
| 12:54 | sn:123456 | |
| 12:54 | I think | |
| 12:54 | record number. Sorry, didn't translate that part | |
| 12:55 | Seems they use marcedit a lot, which could be the cause of the problem if they played even once with 999$c or $d | |
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| 13:50 | mtj | ping galen, jajm, cait - i might have some perm error with pishing to the kc.org git repo |
| 13:50 | pushing | |
| 13:50 | cait | hey |
| 13:50 | yay! | |
| 13:50 | it's awfully late for you! | |
| 13:51 | mtj | hiya, yeah.. all good :) |
| 13:54 | cait | ping gmcharlt |
| 13:59 | khall1: ping | |
| 13:59 | khall1 | ah, so 16.05 is ready? |
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| 14:02 | cait | gmcharlt++ |
| 14:05 | khall1 | mtj: do you have the tarball for 16.05 uploaded yet? |
| 14:05 | mtj | yep |
| 14:05 | khall1 | can you tell me what dir you put it in? |
| 14:05 | mtj | ~/releases |
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| 15:03 | cait | mtj++ |
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| 15:31 | oleonard | I'm getting an error in my kohadevbox installation: DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): Unknown column 'me.overdrive_auth_token' in 'field list' at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/Koha/Objects.pm line 83 |
| 15:31 | I've tried running updatedatabase manually and restarting all the relevant services | |
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| 15:38 | Joubu | oleonard: do you see the fields in the borrowers and deletedborrowers tables? |
| 15:39 | I think this error is when the field is not known by dbic | |
| 15:39 | so restart plack should work | |
| 15:39 | otherwise make sure the correct schema files are in used | |
| 15:40 | tcohen | oleonard, try restart_all |
| 15:40 | Joubu | Ha, I guess it comes from the dev_install flag |
| 15:40 | tcohen: he said he restarted everything :) | |
| 15:41 | * tcohen | goes back to his previous task |
| 15:41 | Joubu | which was? Upgrade all the customers? |
| 15:42 | oleonard: check your dev_install entry in your koha-conf file, if you do not have it, add it and set it to 1 | |
| 15:47 | oleonard | I should have <dev_install>1</dev_install> Joubu? |
| 15:47 | Joubu | yep |
| 15:48 | in the config part | |
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| 15:59 | oleonard | No luck :( |
| 16:02 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:16 | Joubu | oleonard: you added the entry then restart memcached + plack and you still get the error? |
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| 16:31 | oleonard | destroying and starting over worked Joubu |
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| 16:40 | CrispyBran | oleonard: in kohadevbox when I go to "Stage MARC records for import", Koha throws me into the koha installer. Are you seeing this on your end? |
| 16:40 | oleonard | Yes |
| 16:40 | CrispyBran | known bug? |
| 16:40 | wahanui | known bug is, like, better than an unknown bug |
| 16:41 | oleonard | Not known to me |
| 16:41 | CrispyBran | I'll check and report it. |
| 16:45 | https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=18297 | |
| 16:45 | huginn` | 04Bug 18297: critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Clicking on Stage MARC records for import launches koha installer |
| 16:46 | cait | CrispyBran: try restarting plack and run the webinstaller from command line |
| 16:46 | CrispyBran | I have not run the webinstaller from command line before |
| 16:50 | cait: how do I run the webinstaller from cammand line? | |
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| 16:59 | cait | CrispyBran: ./installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl or very similar |
| 16:59 | typing from memory :) | |
| 17:01 | Joubu | well done RM & RMaints ;) |
| 17:01 | oleonard | CrispyBran: using koha-shell |
| 17:02 | CrispyBran | oleonard: using koha-shell? Not familiar with this. Sorry. Still learning. |
| 17:02 | Joubu | yes the reverse, execute the updatedb script manually then restart memcached + plack |
| 17:02 | sudo koha-shell kohadev | |
| 17:02 | perl installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl | |
| 17:03 | exit # to be logged in as vagrant | |
| 17:03 | then restart memcached + plack (in this order) | |
| 17:08 | tcohen | or restart_all |
| 17:08 | which is an alias | |
| 17:12 | CrispyBran | cait: that seems to have fixed it. How did you do that? ;) |
| 17:16 | cait | hm what? |
| 17:16 | CrispyBran | ?? |
| 17:18 | tcohen | running updatedatabase.pl manually, inside koha-shell kohadev |
| 17:18 | CrispyBran | cait ^ |
| 17:18 | cait | plack and kohadev always gave me trouble with that |
| 17:18 | so that's what someone told me i think when i ran into it | |
| 17:18 | CrispyBran | Yes, that did the trick. Not sure why it got bunged up in the first place. |
| 17:18 | ah | |
| 17:18 | cait | with plack when you do a git pull it doens't notice that there is a database update |
| 17:19 | CrispyBran | Adding it to my kohadevbox notes. |
| 17:19 | cait | unti it kicks in later on |
| 17:19 | probably would be a good habit to check for a database update (run the installer) every time you do a git pull | |
| 17:19 | tcohen | CrispyBran: on your notes, write that you need to run 'restart_all' just in case |
| 17:19 | cait | oh what' sthat? |
| 17:19 | CrispyBran | will do |
| 17:19 | tcohen | it is an alias |
| 17:19 | for | |
| 17:20 | sudo service memcached restart; sudo koha-plack —restart kohadev ; sudo service apache2 restart | |
| 17:20 | or the like | |
| 17:20 | wahanui | rumour has it the like is hard to say, could adapt to yes, but doesn't feel intuitive |
| 17:20 | cait | oh nice! |
| 17:20 | tcohen | cait: thank kidclamp :-D |
| 17:23 | gaetan_B | see you next week in Marseille ! |
| 17:23 | tcohen | :( |
| 17:23 | cait | he knows about the good thing sin life |
| 17:24 | tcohen | oh yeah |
| 17:24 | he sings Britney Spears... | |
| 17:24 | cait | interesting |
| 17:24 | wahanui | interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 17:25 | * tcohen | barely remembers LibraryClaire joined him |
| 17:27 | Joubu | If "it" happens again, please film ;) |
| 17:28 | cait | yep |
| 17:28 | * tcohen | had too much beer on his system for such a delicate operation |
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| 18:17 | kelly | hello ! Training Adam with ARG |
| 18:17 | jzairo | HI Kelly and Adam from ARG! |
| 18:18 | kelly | hi jzairo |
| 18:29 | tcohen | hi kelly |
| 18:30 | kellym-lunch | hi |
| 18:30 | wahanui | hey, kellym-lunch |
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| 20:00 | eythian | @later tell drojf https://owncloud.kallisti.net.[…]s/oga521eUGBHjQKX https://owncloud.kallisti.net.[…]s/2IuCDefvmsz79JP you should see if you can find and drink this because it's really good |
| 20:00 | huginn` | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
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| 21:18 | blou | waehter |
| 21:18 | weather | |
| 21:18 | @weather | |
| 21:18 | huginn` | blou: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city. |
| 21:19 | blou | @weather h2c2r2 |
| 21:19 | huginn` | blou: The current temperature in Milton Park, Montréal, Quebec is -2.0°C (5:13 PM EDT on March 17, 2017). Conditions: . Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling). |
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| 21:37 | eythian | @wunder ams |
| 21:37 | huginn` | eythian: The current temperature in Amsterdam, Netherlands is 7.0°C (10:25 PM CET on March 17, 2017). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Falling). |
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