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| 00:33 | rangi | karma for bobb |
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| 00:34 | rangi | bobb++ |
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| 05:49 | sameeenz | Evening fam. |
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| 07:13 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 07:19 | LibraryClaire | morning #koha |
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| 07:33 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:33 | wahanui | que tal, jajm |
| 07:34 | LibraryClaire | hi reiveune, hi jajm |
| 07:34 | * LibraryClaire | waves to cait |
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| 07:43 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 07:45 | drojf | morning #koha |
| 07:46 | @later tell tcohen what version on what os? is there a bug for it? | |
| 07:46 | huginn | drojf: The operation succeeded. |
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| 07:58 | LibraryClaire | morgen drojf |
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| 08:19 | sameeenz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUcT3z2lcmU |
| 08:19 | lols. | |
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| 08:35 | fridolin | hiethere |
| 08:38 | sameeenz | hi fridolin |
| 08:38 | what's going down? | |
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| 08:53 | magnuse | meeting in about 4 hours, right? |
| 08:57 | josef_moravec_ | magnuse: i think so ;) |
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| 08:58 | magnuse | yes https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_14_December_2016 |
| 09:04 | eythian | @wunder jordaan, ams |
| 09:04 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Ten Kateplein, Amsterdam, Netherlands is 10.3°C (10:02 AM CET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
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| 09:05 | eythian | fog sure is right |
| 09:05 | LibraryClaire | @wunder konstanz |
| 09:05 | huginn | LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is 3.9°C (10:02 AM CET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:07 | rangi | @later tell mtj theres an atomicupdate still in 16.05.x (in the 16.05.06 release) http://git.koha-community.org/[…]79fc8e7d8e4088918 this should be shifted to updatedatabase.pl |
| 09:07 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
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| 09:17 | AndrewIsh | morning #koha |
| 09:21 | magnuse | hiya AndrewIsh |
| 09:22 | @wunder enbo | |
| 09:22 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 7.0°C (10:00 AM CET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Rising). |
| 09:22 | magnuse | spring is here! |
| 09:22 | AndrewIsh | magnuse: hi! wow, that's faaar to mild for mid-December |
| 09:22 | s/to/too | |
| 09:23 | magnuse | so it is |
| 09:23 | AndrewIsh | @wunder machynlleth |
| 09:23 | huginn | AndrewIsh: The current temperature in Machynlleth, Machynlleth, United Kingdom is 8.0°C (9:23 AM GMT on December 14, 2016). Conditions: . Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:24 | AndrewIsh | hmmm, too mild here too! |
| 09:24 | josef_moravec_ | @wunder Prague |
| 09:24 | huginn | josef_moravec_: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 09:24 | AndrewIsh | oh no, who stole prague?! |
| 09:24 | magnuse | we had perfect winter weather this last weekend. -5, bit of snow. now it's kust grey and wet |
| 09:24 | josef_moravec_ | @wunder Prague, Czech Republic |
| 09:24 | huginn | josef_moravec_: The current temperature in Praha / Ruzyne, Czech Republic is 3.0°C (10:00 AM CET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa (Rising). |
| 09:25 | josef_moravec_ | AndrewIsh: probably too much Pragues ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]_(disambiguation) |
| 09:26 | @wunder Usti nad Orlici | |
| 09:26 | huginn | josef_moravec_: The current temperature in Dlouha Trebova, Dlouhá TÅ™ebová, Czech Republic is -0.5°C (10:25 AM CET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:26 | AndrewIsh | oooh, that sounds lovely magnuse, we've only had a few days of properly cold weather so far this year, i'm holding out hope though. our last few winters have been mild and damp, no snow at all last year, apart from on the mountains, not fun :( |
| 09:27 | d_antonakis | @wunder Athens, Greece |
| 09:27 | huginn | d_antonakis: The current temperature in SV1JST, Glyfada, Greece is 9.1°C (11:27 AM EET on December 14, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Falling). |
| 09:33 | mtj | rangi, oops, thanks for that, i'll fix now |
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| 10:34 | gveranis_ | hi paul |
| 10:34 | hi paul_p | |
| 10:35 | paul_p | hi gveranis_ ! |
| 10:36 | gveranis_ | Do you have today developer meeting ? |
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| 10:38 | Joubu | gveranis_: yes, 13 utc |
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| 10:52 | * mtj | waves to Joubu, gveranis_, paul_p :0) |
| 10:55 | mtj | drojf, have you thought about creating 16.11 and 16.05 release pockets? |
| 10:55 | drojf | mtj: yes, i have |
| 10:56 | mtj | cool, i thought you might have :p |
| 10:56 | drojf | mtj: i will clean the repos from old dependencies we don't need anymore and want to have a way to stay on a certain version too while i do that |
| 10:57 | mtj | yes, exactly ^ |
| 10:59 | thanks for reminding me about bug 15200 too | |
| 10:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15200 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , t/Creators.t fails when using build-git-snapshot |
| 11:01 | drojf | i will add you to package related bugs when i find them |
| 11:01 | it has been a bit chaotic last term and i had to do a bit of post production for many releases, i'd like to change that this term | |
| 11:05 | cait | drojf: will you let me know if you need something in 16.11 for packages? |
| 11:05 | gveranis_: in 2 hours i think | |
| 11:05 | drojf | cait: yes. i added you to the control file bug already |
| 11:06 | mtj | drojf: could we rename bz17111 to s/oldstable/16.05/' perhaps? |
| 11:06 | cait | yeah not sure i get it :) but hope you will wave and scream if i forget something |
| 11:07 | gveranis_ | cait: yes I converted , thanks |
| 11:08 | drojf | mtj: i don't see why not |
| 11:10 | mtj | ok done :) Bug 17111 - Automatic debian/control updates (oldstable/16.05.x) |
| 11:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17111 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, ASSIGNED , Automatic debian/control updates (oldstable/16.05.x) |
| 11:12 | drojf | mtj: i think what was on there now went in via another bug at some point. i have to fix the nightlies so i can make them do automatic patches again |
| 11:18 | later #koha | |
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| 11:35 | taz | i am trying to migrate to newer version of koha and have backup which i dont know from which version backup is after upgrade to 3.20 when i carry out search and click on a particular record it throws error as "DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): Unknown column 'me.constrainttype' in 'field list' at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Reserves.pm" how to sort out this error |
| 11:37 | Joubu | taz: Are you using the latest, 3.20.15? |
| 11:37 | taz | no |
| 11:37 | 3.20 | |
| 11:38 | 3.20.2 | |
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| 11:39 | Joubu | taz: you must use the latest of the 3.20.x. Keep in mind that this branch is no longer maintain and it would be better to upgrade to 16.05 or 16.11 |
| 11:39 | taz | k |
| 11:40 | tx | |
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| 12:04 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 12:07 | eythian | hi marcelr |
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| 12:08 | marcelr | eythian: |
| 12:08 | rsantellan | good morning #koha |
| 12:08 | marcelr | hi rsantellan |
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| 12:09 | rsantellan | hi marcelr |
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| 12:34 | tcohen | morning |
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| 12:48 | LibraryClaire | hey tcohen |
| 12:50 | oleonard | Hi all |
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| 12:51 | LibraryClaire | hi oleonard |
| 12:51 | wahanui | hi oleopard |
| 12:51 | LibraryClaire | wahanui: botsnack |
| 12:51 | wahanui | :) |
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| 12:52 | kidclamp | morning #koha |
| 12:52 | * LibraryClaire | tries to train the bot |
| 12:53 | LibraryClaire | hey kidclamp |
| 12:53 | wahanui | kidclamp is, like, rockin the stache |
| 12:53 | cait | LibraryClaire:++ :) |
| 12:53 | tcohen | hi kidclamp! |
| 12:53 | kidclamp | hiya tcohen |
| 12:54 | and LibraryClaire and cait and oleopard, et al. | |
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| 12:56 | khall | mornin all! |
| 12:56 | tcohen | hey khall |
| 12:58 | LibraryClaire | hi khall |
| 12:58 | khall | hi LibraryClaire! |
| 13:00 | cait | kidclamp: are you chaiing the meeting? |
| 13:00 | kidclamp | I yam |
| 13:00 | cait | cool |
| 13:00 | kidclamp | lets do it then :-) |
| 13:00 | khall | lol |
| 13:01 | kidclamp | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 14 December 2016 |
| 13:01 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Dec 14 13:01:09 2016 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 13:01 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 13:01 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 14 December 2016) | |
| 13:01 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_14_december_2016' |
| 13:01 | kidclamp | #topic Introductions |
| 13:01 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 13:01 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 14 December 2016) | |
| 13:01 | khall | #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions |
| 13:01 | marcelr | #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum, Netherlands |
| 13:01 | kidclamp | #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions |
| 13:01 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
| 13:01 | josef_moravec_ | #info Josef Moravec, Municipal Library Usti nad Orlici, Czech Republic |
| 13:01 | cc_ | #info Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe Ltd |
| 13:01 | LibraryClaire | #info Claire Gravely, BSZ, Germany |
| 13:01 | d_antonakis | #info Dimitris Antonakis, Athens, Greece |
| 13:02 | drojf | #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany |
| 13:02 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA |
| 13:03 | kidclamp | last call |
| 13:03 | petter | #info Petter Åsen, Oslo Public Library, Norway |
| 13:03 | AndrewIsh | #info Andrew Isherwood, PTFS Europe Ltd |
| 13:03 | kidclamp | #topic Announcements |
| 13:03 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 14 December 2016) | |
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| 13:04 | gveranis_ | #info George Veranis Thessaloniki, Greece |
| 13:04 | kidclamp | Mr. RM? anything form you |
| 13:04 | khall | I'm starting to push enhancements to master again |
| 13:04 | that is all ; ) | |
| 13:04 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke |
| 13:04 | kidclamp | light meeting so anyone feel free to add their thoughts :-) |
| 13:05 | khall | this is a judgement free zone ; ) |
| 13:05 | tcohen | i wanted to ask |
| 13:05 | what is the status of the Koha::Patron implementation? we are waiting for it to complete the REST endpoint | |
| 13:05 | is it something that will be pushed with some priority? | |
| 13:06 | Joubu | things are waiting for QA and push |
| 13:06 | I plan to continue the rewrite, but I need stuffs to move forward, otherwise it's to painful to maintain up-to-date | |
| 13:06 | tcohen | there's one bug that it is not easy to test, the GetBorrowersWithEmail one |
| 13:06 | Joubu | https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]raph.cgi?id=16846 |
| 13:06 | kidclamp | bug numbers? |
| 13:06 | tcohen | it is trivial that it works |
| 13:07 | marcelr | :) |
| 13:07 | Joubu | so "green" are not really green as they need to be rebased (status=blocked) |
| 13:07 | tcohen | but the test plan includes PKI authentication and something else |
| 13:07 | Joubu | bug 17554 |
| 13:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17554 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move GetBorrowersWithEmail to Koha::Patron |
| 13:08 | kidclamp | #info Koha Patron bugs should be helped along |
| 13:08 | Joubu | tcohen: I can resubmit a test plan without that part if you like :D |
| 13:08 | kidclamp | #link https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]raph.cgi?id=16846 Dependencies and progress |
| 13:08 | drojf | why does it say persona needs to be tested, isn't that dead? |
| 13:08 | kidclamp | #link http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17554 Bug 17554 |
| 13:08 | khall | I had thought the same thing |
| 13:08 | huginn | 04Bug 17554: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move GetBorrowersWithEmail to Koha::Patron |
| 13:08 | oleonard | it shouldn't be broken before we officially remove it though should it? |
| 13:09 | khall | It will be shut down in December 2016 |
| 13:09 | josef_moravec_ | bug 17486 |
| 13:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17486 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Remove 'Mozilla Persona' as an authentication method |
| 13:09 | barton | #info Barton Chittenden, BWS, Louisville, KY, USA |
| 13:09 | drojf | "Mozilla announced in January 2016 plans to decommission the service by the end of the year." |
| 13:09 | i don't think we can keep it working when mozilla kills it | |
| 13:10 | oleonard | I just mean we should work to remove it before Mozilla kills it dead, rather than just let it break by Mozilla's hand or ours. |
| 13:10 | Joubu | I can take it (the drop) and rebase the other one on top |
| 13:10 | magnuse | #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 13:11 | kidclamp | #action Joubu will remove Mozilla Persona and rebase his work on top |
| 13:12 | moving on if no more here | |
| 13:12 | #topic Review of coding guidelines | |
| 13:12 | Topic for #koha is now Review of coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 14 December 2016) | |
| 13:13 | kidclamp | nothing in the agenda but floor is open for anyone |
| 13:13 | Joubu | ok, so, I need help on QA |
| 13:14 | marcelr | this is about coding guidlines? |
| 13:14 | barton | I'd like to talk a bit about documentation... |
| 13:14 | Joubu | as usual, but the queue is growing too fast, I cannot maintain it alone (and don't want to) |
| 13:14 | barton | developer documentation, that is... |
| 13:14 | kidclamp | if noc doing guidelines we can jump to general discussion for both of these |
| 13:14 | no coding | |
| 13:15 | cait still here? | |
| 13:15 | khall | sounds good. let's start with the qa queue and then go to developer documentation |
| 13:15 | gveranis_ | yes developer documentation could be useful |
| 13:15 | khall | 63 bugs in signed off queue atm |
| 13:15 | kidclamp | okay jumping 16.11 to gen disc. |
| 13:15 | LibraryClaire | cait is currentlly AFK |
| 13:15 | kidclamp | #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) |
| 13:15 | Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 14 December 2016) | |
| 13:15 | kidclamp | #info The QA queue is growing and Joubu needs help |
| 13:16 | marcelr | did you mean that , Joubu? |
| 13:16 | kidclamp | in maintaining the queue |
| 13:16 | Joubu | yes that's enough, nothing more to do about that |
| 13:16 | AndrewIsh | pinging ashimema |
| 13:16 | Joubu | I pingued the QAers last week, but no answers |
| 13:16 | tcohen | I try to QA some stuff, but have a growing backlog on my side too |
| 13:17 | khall | Joubu: do you now have push rights to the master branch? |
| 13:17 | Joubu | yes I think so |
| 13:17 | kidclamp | same boat here, working on what I can, if directed to any specific bug I am happy to make time but general QA sometimes gets missed |
| 13:18 | khall | I will try to pitch in on qa. I would appreciate it if you could push anything I pass, just as a sanity check |
| 13:18 | Joubu | khall: yep! |
| 13:18 | khall | excellent, thanks! |
| 13:19 | kidclamp | I plan on testing bug 17196 in the next few days |
| 13:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17196 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Move marcxml out of the biblioitems table |
| 13:20 | Joubu | 2 QAs would not be superfluous |
| 13:20 | kidclamp | agreed :-) |
| 13:20 | tcohen | I will QA it too |
| 13:21 | kidclamp | #action kidclamp and tcohen will be looking at bug 17196 |
| 13:21 | I think the floor is yours barton | |
| 13:21 | tcohen | after barton, I'd like to highlight something |
| 13:22 | barton | kk. |
| 13:22 | kidclamp | and I added something to the agenda after that :-) |
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| 13:23 | barton | I'd like to suggest that we make lack of developer documentation, e.g. POD, something that is an automatic failure in QA. |
| 13:23 | marcelr | we normally should do that already? |
| 13:23 | barton | I hate to put more work on the QA team, but I also hate not having documentation for everything. |
| 13:24 | kidclamp | this came up in the last meeting on November 9th |
| 13:24 | Joubu | it's already what we do I think |
| 13:24 | kidclamp | is there a coding guideline? |
| 13:24 | Joubu | but when the code is self-explanatory, it's not necessary useful to add pod |
| 13:25 | sub get_holds # well, it returns holds you know | |
| 13:25 | barton: do you have something specific in mind? | |
| 13:25 | marcelr | perl13 |
| 13:25 | tcohen | it should be documented that it returns an array of Koha::Hold objects, though |
| 13:25 | :-P | |
| 13:25 | marcelr | existing rule |
| 13:25 | cc_ | we should stress if an interface changes the change should update existing pod doc |
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| 13:26 | eythian | https://perldoc.koha-community.org/ keep in mind it goes here too, so the code may not be immediately visible. |
| 13:26 | barton | Joubu: I found that a lot of the Koha::Objects don't have any... |
| 13:26 | kidclamp | #info POD coverage should be checked during QA per coding guideline PERL13 |
| 13:28 | #link https://perldoc.koha-community.org/ In perldoc even simple code could benefit form POD | |
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| 13:28 | kidclamp | it was proposed to add POD coverage to the QA script, but I don't know fi there was consensus |
| 13:29 | tcohen | i think a minimal POD should be required on QA |
| 13:29 | barton | Ok, so here's part of my quandry ... |
| 13:29 | tcohen | at least the type of the stuff that is returned |
| 13:29 | marcelr | harder is writing that for an interface change as mentioned by cc_ |
| 13:29 | Joubu | so we need to decide what we want in our POD... |
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| 13:30 | barton | I think that there are a lot of times when the grandfather clause is used when something isn't documented... |
| 13:30 | Joubu | I don't think PERL13 is applied appart from SearchSuggestion |
| 13:30 | tcohen | I'd say the type for params and return values is the minimum we should require |
| 13:30 | barton | a small change is made to a module that doesn't have much documentation... |
| 13:31 | ^^ I'm with tcohen there. | |
| 13:32 | tcohen | can we decide or should we schedule this for another meeting? |
| 13:32 | marcelr | decide: just add this to perl13 |
| 13:32 | barton | tcohen: I'm fine with tabeling the discussion; I'll try and come up with some better examples. |
| 13:33 | khall | I'd be interested to know what Perl Best Practices has to say on it, if anything |
| 13:33 | Joubu | I think we need a volunteer to write the POD for existing methods |
| 13:33 | marcelr | and be pragmatical |
| 13:33 | khall | I know there is a full chapter on documentation |
| 13:33 | Joubu | to have good examples of what we are expecting |
| 13:33 | barton | Ok, I'll volounteer for writing POD. |
| 13:33 | khall | yes, we need a template |
| 13:33 | oleonard | So we wait and vote on a specific proposal? |
| 13:34 | * tcohen | revisits his latest patches and finds incomplete PODs |
| 13:34 | Joubu | barton: please don't be too verbose :) |
| 13:34 | kidclamp | #action Barton volunteers to write POD for existing docs, brief POD |
| 13:34 | anyone volunteer to work up the guidleline for POD going forward? | |
| 13:34 | and maybe send to the mailing list to vote next meeting? | |
| 13:35 | barton | Joubu: I don't have enough time to write a *lot* of POD ;-) |
| 13:35 | Joubu | I think methods from Koha namespace should be quite easy to document as they are short and do not do lot of things |
| 13:35 | tcohen | true |
| 13:35 | and are covered by functional tests | |
| 13:35 | khall | indeed |
| 13:35 | barton | There are some things that could really use it though ... holds queue, search.pm... |
| 13:36 | tcohen | forget about Search.pm please |
| 13:36 | marcelr | rewrite it |
| 13:36 | kidclamp | heh |
| 13:36 | tcohen | yeah |
| 13:36 | cc_ | we should adopt a recommended location for POD whether inline or after __END__ |
| 13:36 | barton | heh. |
| 13:36 | marcelr | inline |
| 13:36 | khall | cc_: it's all inline |
| 13:36 | tcohen | inline |
| 13:36 | Joubu | after :p |
| 13:36 | marcelr | no Joubu |
| 13:36 | tcohen | Joubu-- |
| 13:36 | khall | after is what PBP reccomends |
| 13:36 | Joubu | I do not care about the doc when I can see the code |
| 13:36 | khall | inline is all we do ; ) |
| 13:37 | marcelr | inline++ |
| 13:37 | Joubu | PBP++ :) |
| 13:37 | khall | Joubu: I bet you can find a plugin for $editor that will collapse the pod ; ) |
| 13:37 | eythian | Joubu: if it's not inline, no one sees it and never updates it. |
| 13:37 | khall | agreed |
| 13:38 | kidclamp | alright folks...I will volunteer to send something to the mailing list to add to the coding guidelines and compile issues, so fight it out there |
| 13:38 | #action kidclamp will send a call out to the list for POD guidelines and draft for a vote next meeting | |
| 13:39 | tcohen | is it my turn? |
| 13:39 | kidclamp | your issue tcohen? |
| 13:39 | yes | |
| 13:39 | tcohen | he |
| 13:39 | as this is a dev meeting | |
| 13:39 | I'd like to share that I started to work on resurrecting bug 13757 | |
| 13:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13757 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Make patron attributes editable in the opac if set to 'editable in OPAC' |
| 13:40 | tcohen | the UI part was done on the bug, and so the CRUD for the opac_editable attribute for extended attributes |
| 13:40 | but work on borrower_modifications is missing (i.e. handling modification requests for extended attributes) | |
| 13:40 | all this to say | |
| 13:40 | that I got more into writing code using Koha::Object | |
| 13:41 | trying to do a Koha::Object-ify as I touch stuff | |
| 13:41 | aprroach | |
| 13:41 | my first try on Koha::Object was bug 17755 | |
| 13:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17755 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Introduce Koha::Patron::Attribute::Type(s) |
| 13:41 | tcohen | a simple one |
| 13:42 | that had something in common with Koha::Patron::Category | |
| 13:42 | it is constrained by library (formerly branch) | |
| 13:42 | kidclamp | #info tcohen is working on moving code to use Koha::Object |
| 13:42 | tcohen | so i came up with Koha::Object::Limit::Library |
| 13:43 | which in conjunction with multiple inheritance, makes it easy to extend a Koha::Object to provide suche a constraint | |
| 13:43 | I'd like other QAers opinions | |
| 13:43 | on that specifically | |
| 13:43 | marcelr | should have a closer look first |
| 13:43 | tcohen | yes |
| 13:43 | khall | I like it! |
| 13:43 | Joubu | Sounds ok to me |
| 13:43 | tcohen | I don't expect you to do it now, just thought worth mentioning |
| 13:44 | and encourage you devs to give Koha::Object a try | |
| 13:44 | because I was skeptical about it when I pushed it | |
| 13:44 | marcelr | uploads is in Koha;:Object too in the NSO queue |
| 13:44 | kidclamp | #info QA and interested parties should look at Koha::Object::Limit::Library on bug 17755 |
| 13:44 | tcohen | and now find it really handy and looking at Jonathan's work on moving stuff into using it |
| 13:44 | marcelr | bug 17501 |
| 13:44 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17501 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Koha Objects for uploaded files |
| 13:45 | kidclamp | #info see work on using Koha::Object for uploads on bug 17501 |
| 13:45 | tcohen | the code looks simple to read, fast to develop |
| 13:45 | oleonard | Joubu++ |
| 13:45 | tcohen | it really improved my dev workflow |
| 13:45 | oleonard | tcohen++ |
| 13:46 | tcohen | ok, that's it. I wanted to share that I like it :-D |
| 13:46 | Joubu | yes it's very useful for now. Some stuffs are a bit "too much". We have too many objects. And some object's responsabilities are not correctly defined |
| 13:46 | marcelr | tcohen++ |
| 13:46 | tcohen | and encourage people to look at the ideas behind 17755 |
| 13:46 | Joubu | but we will be able to clean that a bit when we will have more code moved to the Koha ns |
| 13:46 | tcohen | Joubu: I agree |
| 13:46 | marcelr | some refactoring might create weird new methods in the Koha objects |
| 13:47 | Joubu | marcelr: yes, that's why I start with easy ones |
| 13:47 | tcohen | marcelr: Koha::Object::Limit::Library was a try to avoid that |
| 13:48 | kidclamp | okay, I have a thing :-) |
| 13:48 | I would like to propose turning on voting in Bugzilla | |
| 13:48 | https://www.bugzilla.org/docs/[…]/html/voting.html | |
| 13:48 | tcohen | +1 |
| 13:49 | marcelr | voting on what aspects? |
| 13:49 | kidclamp | interest/importance generally |
| 13:49 | I have been doing a number of talks with users who want to get involved | |
| 13:49 | they want an easy way to mark a bug as important to them, even if they can't comment on code or implementation | |
| 13:50 | marcelr | add to cc? |
| 13:50 | kidclamp | the idea being that users can see what matters to other users and gain support for fundings |
| 13:50 | and devs can see where work might benefit users | |
| 13:50 | marcelr | but i do not oppose |
| 13:50 | kidclamp | adding to cc doesn't give us a count we can sort by |
| 13:50 | marcelr | the number in the cc list? |
| 13:50 | kidclamp | and honestly, they don't all want emails |
| 13:50 | I don't think we can search/report that marcelr | |
| 13:51 | the worst consequence I see would be a feature we ignore | |
| 13:51 | * Joubu | is gonna create several bz accounts to vote for his own bugs |
| 13:51 | kidclamp | heh |
| 13:51 | Joubu had an extra bowl of sass today | |
| 13:52 | #info kidclamp proposes to add voting to Bigzilla | |
| 13:52 | #link https://www.bugzilla.org/docs/[…]/html/voting.html Bugzilla voting | |
| 13:52 | barton | s/Bigzilla/Bugzilla/ |
| 13:53 | Joubu | I don't think will get more involvement with that, but we can try |
| 13:53 | kidclamp | if there is opposition I will talk to whoever maintains bugzilla |
| 13:53 | drojf | will that lead to people complaining that stuff they voted on is not magically happening? |
| 13:53 | tcohen | +1 # it won't hurt anyway, should be announced so people use it |
| 13:53 | kidclamp | if they complain and comment at least they are involved drojf :-) |
| 13:53 | khall | drojf: I think the idea is to bring awareness to things everyone wants but think only they want |
| 13:53 | and by knowing each other, they can group sponsor work | |
| 13:54 | marcelr | +1 # just try |
| 13:54 | barton | +1 |
| 13:54 | drojf | in a magical world where they have money to sponsor :) |
| 13:54 | +1 # sure why not | |
| 13:54 | kidclamp | hooray! thanks guys |
| 13:55 | marcelr | is it on now? kidclamp ? |
| 13:55 | lol | |
| 13:55 | kidclamp | hah, I think I have to ping rangi, I think catalyst maintains bz |
| 13:55 | khall | drojf: power in numbers, just had a development sponsored by 30 something libraries pitching in very small amounts |
| 13:55 | +1 from me as well | |
| 13:56 | marcelr | kidclamp: yes, better do it via rangi |
| 13:56 | kidclamp | #topic Updates from the QA team |
| 13:56 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 14 December 2016) | |
| 13:56 | drojf | khall: nice! |
| 13:56 | kidclamp | anything more to add? I think we covered it in discussion |
| 13:56 | Joubu | yes just |
| 13:57 | not QA related | |
| 13:57 | kidclamp | :-) |
| 13:57 | Joubu | but ldap seems broken under plack |
| 13:57 | kidclamp | possibly shib/SAML too |
| 13:57 | Joubu | on the general Koha ML |
| 13:57 | I quickly looked at the code C4/Auth_with_ldap | |
| 13:57 | and it has wrong var scope | |
| 13:58 | someone knowing this part of code should get a look | |
| 13:58 | ashimema | I can varify shib is broken under plack |
| 13:58 | Joubu | it may be easy to fix |
| 13:58 | ashimema | and I have a plan to fix it.. when I get a moment |
| 13:58 | ldap I wasn't aware of being broken. | |
| 13:58 | * kidclamp | hands ashimema all of his round tuits |
| 13:58 | cait | edi libary ean is broken too |
| 13:59 | you can't add any | |
| 13:59 | khall | ashimema++ |
| 13:59 | ashimema | shib is a case of switching from env variables to request headers |
| 13:59 | cait | qa is no longer my topic, but from rmaint's point of vie |
| 13:59 | w | |
| 13:59 | kidclamp | we have ldap working under plack in 3.22 in at least one instance |
| 13:59 | khall | cait: is there a bug number for that? I'd be happy to fix it |
| 13:59 | cait | yes of course |
| 13:59 | there are lots of open bug reports waiting for patches - please also take a look at those. I am going to call string freeze tomorrow and then release on 22nd | |
| 13:59 | it would be really good if dev coudl take a look at the blocker - major ones recently filed | |
| 14:00 | bug 17692 | |
| 14:00 | kidclamp | #info LDAP and shib may not be entirely plack safe |
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| 14:00 | cait | bug 17764 is evil too |
| 14:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17764 critical, P2, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPAC search fails when lost items are in the result set and there is no logged in user |
| 14:00 | kidclamp | #topic Progress on next release (16.11) |
| 14:00 | Topic for #koha is now Progress on next release (16.11) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 14 December 2016) | |
| 14:00 | cait | OPAC search fails when lost items are in the result set and there is no logged in user |
| 14:00 | kidclamp | #info there are lots of open bug reports waiting for patches - please also take a look at those |
| 14:00 | #info string freeze on the 22nd | |
| 14:01 | Joubu | 17764 is for me |
| 14:01 | cait | it would be great if we could still get those into 16.11.1 |
| 14:01 | * oleonard | runs off to an irl meeting |
| 14:01 | kidclamp | #info bug 17692 and bug 17764 are high priority for 16.11.1 |
| 14:01 | * ashimema | apologises for having missed most of this meeting.. feeling rough so went back to bed and slept through the alarm |
| 14:01 | kidclamp | oleonard++ |
| 14:01 | cait | ther are more, those i remembered off the top of my head |
| 14:02 | marcelr | any relation with bug 17502 |
| 14:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17502 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Resolve internal server error on 0000-00-00 (with Plack) |
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| 14:02 | marcelr | also a failing search |
| 14:02 | Joubu | cait: could you send me the list, if you have one? |
| 14:02 | kidclamp | anything more cait? |
| 14:03 | cait | i can try and create one - maybe by tomorrow? |
| 14:03 | there is also a fixme now search on bugzilla | |
| 14:03 | that cvould be helpful | |
| 14:03 | kidclamp | #action cait will compile a list of bugs wanted/needed for 16.11.1 |
| 14:03 | cait | hm where could we put those so it's not just me? |
| 14:04 | kidclamp | send to koha/koha-devel |
| 14:04 | cait | also some problems with mulitple holds and sip i think |
| 14:04 | there is always lots of bugs - so please don't hit me if i miss an important one | |
| 14:05 | kidclamp | #info don't hit cait |
| 14:05 | cait | i will check what i held back i my inbox - but can't go look through all of bugzilla |
| 14:05 | Joubu | bug 17775 |
| 14:05 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17775 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add new user with LDAP not works under Plack |
| 14:05 | cait | yeah, some evil plack things around |
| 14:05 | marcelr | cait: 17502 |
| 14:05 | kidclamp | #topic Set time of next meeting |
| 14:05 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 14 December 2016) | |
| 14:06 | kidclamp | I am proposing something around 20UTC according to survey until someone has a better method/time |
| 14:07 | barton | +1 |
| 14:07 | kidclamp | January 11, 20UTC? |
| 14:07 | tcohen | we should have 2 dev meetings a month |
| 14:07 | Joubu | Wed |
| 14:07 | tcohen | brief ones |
| 14:08 | marcelr | this was a good time btw |
| 14:08 | barton | agreed. |
| 14:08 | kidclamp | agreed, this time was nice |
| 14:08 | tcohen - I am all for it if somone else will chair the second meeting | |
| 14:08 | * tcohen | volunteers |
| 14:09 | kidclamp | but keeping meeting short is harder than I thought :-) |
| 14:09 | tcohen | I'll ask for help if i cannot attend |
| 14:09 | true | |
| 14:09 | marcelr | kidclamp++ |
| 14:09 | kidclamp | #action tcohen proposes to hold a second dev meeting - he will chair |
| 14:09 | do you want to set a time now tcohen, 2 weeks or so? or wait until January to being? | |
| 14:10 | begin | |
| 14:10 | tcohen | wait until january, because end of the year is complicated for everyone |
| 14:10 | kidclamp | sounds good |
| 14:10 | #info next meeting 11 January 2016, 20 UTC | |
| 14:11 | #endmeeting | |
| 14:11 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the #koha IRC chat | Code of conduct - https://koha-community.org/abo[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 14:11 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Dec 14 14:11:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:11 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-12-14-13.01.html | |
| 14:11 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]6-12-14-13.01.txt | |
| 14:11 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]14-13.01.log.html | |
| 14:11 | kidclamp | Thanks all! |
| 14:11 | LibraryClaire | kidclamp++ |
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| 14:11 | tcohen | kidclamp++ |
| 14:11 | Joubu | thanks kidclamp |
| 14:11 | khall | later all! |
| 14:11 | gveranis_ | bye all |
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| 14:14 | Joubu | What was the plack + shib + ldap bug? |
| 14:14 | Was there one? | |
| 14:15 | tcohen | 177 |
| 14:15 | 17775 | |
| 14:15 | cait | marcelr. I will check the logs for bug numbers |
| 14:16 | Joubu | no another one |
| 14:19 | ashimema | there isn't a shib bug yet Joubu.. I only verified or myself that it was broken today ;) |
| 14:21 | there is now 17776 | |
| 14:22 | I fixed the exact same issue in other apps.. it's just a case of getting me head back around how the koha implimentation works ;) | |
| 14:22 | tcohen | ashimema: do u plan to write a Plack::Middleware? or just put an if plack and handle the headers in the code? |
| 14:22 | :D | |
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| 14:28 | oleonard | Anyone sign me up for anything while I was gone? |
| 14:28 | marcelr | only rewrite Search.pm, oleonard |
| 14:29 | tcohen | oleonard: yes, go learn React and re-implement the OPAC with it. We'll implement the needed RESTful endpoints as you require them |
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| 14:29 | oleonard | tcohen: Oh is that all? |
| 14:30 | * oleonard | has a couple of hours before lunch |
| 14:30 | josef_moravec_ | oleonard: bug 16239 ;) |
| 14:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, Needs Signoff , Upgrade Bootstrap in the staff client |
| 14:30 | josef_moravec_ | oleonard: sorry to be so annoying with this... |
| 14:30 | oleonard | I know josef_moravec_! You should continue to bug me because I need reminding. |
| 14:31 | * oleonard | has been distracted while learning about Vagrant |
| 14:31 | oleonard | Still fighting to get kohadevbox running on Windows :( |
| 14:33 | LibraryClaire | oleonard: still no joy? |
| 14:33 | ashimema | tcohen, I'm not sure yet |
| 14:33 | tcohen | oleonard: did you manage to get the kohaclone dir contain the community repo? |
| 14:34 | ashimema | tcohen, in the past when I've fixed it for other apps they'd made the decision to go fully persistent and stop supporting a non-persistent mode |
| 14:35 | so there was no need to maintain any environment based compatability.. so I just did it directly | |
| 14:35 | * tcohen | thinks we should just drop non-persistent support |
| 14:35 | oleonard | You know what tcohen, looking at the error message again I may have messed something up in my configuration. Let me try something and report back. |
| 14:35 | ashimema | the shibboleth folk claim that using headers is in theory a security concern and you should always prefer env's |
| 14:35 | but I can't see that many apps can actually do it that way anymore ;) | |
| 14:36 | tcohen | oleonard: it seems that you have SYNC_REPO set (otherwise it would have cloned the repo inside the box) and it is failing to mount it |
| 14:37 | ashimema | tcohen++ #suggesting we ditch non-plack altogether |
| 14:38 | tcohen | ashimema: there's a bunch of support companies involved in the community, I'm sure we have the work force to fix anything that would prevent it |
| 14:38 | it is just a matter of will | |
| 14:38 | ashimema | haha, indeed |
| 14:39 | tcohen | i mean, c'mon, fixing a variable scoping issue? the most difficult part is finding the bug, and it will certaintly happen the more people use Plack |
| 14:43 | ashimema | suggest it at the next community meeting and I'll back you ;) |
| 14:43 | tcohen | ok |
| 14:44 | ashimema | we're only just starting to go the plack route.. it would be good to have a kick to make sure we do ;) |
| 14:44 | 'we = ptfs europe' in the above | |
| 14:44 | tcohen | sounds good |
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| 15:12 | oleonard | I wonder if libraries who hesitate to share Koha usage statistics in Hea would prefer to share only that they are a Koha user? So give the option to share library name and URL but not stats. |
| 15:17 | LibraryClaire | oleonard: I feel like that might be a nice option to have... |
| 15:18 | oleonard | Does ByWater check to make sure that every one of its customers is registered on Breeding's site? If so, ask then to enable Hea too. |
| 15:18 | Repeat for every Koha support company. | |
| 15:18 | tcohen | we do |
| 15:28 | oleonard | tcohen: I made a correction to my sync_repo path and the installation succeeded (with 2 or 3 rounds of 'vagrant provision' to get it there) |
| 15:28 | tcohen | YAY! |
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| 15:57 | tcohen | decode_json |
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| 16:04 | eythian | no, you decode_json |
| 16:11 | drojf | if one of you encodes and the other decodes, you can be the human jsonipede |
| 16:11 | tcohen | hehe |
| 16:11 | I have issues with my desktop setup | |
| 16:12 | i use 6 workspaces | |
| 16:12 | and when I switch back a forth from one to the other | |
| 16:12 | the IRC client seems to get the focus | |
| 16:13 | it might be related to my 'sticky in all workspaces' setup | |
| 16:13 | (so I can always read the IRC while working | |
| 16:13 | he | |
| 16:13 | its a bug in Unity, I'll file a bug | |
| 16:14 | oleonard | 'sticky in all workspaces' describes my home computer after my kids use it. |
| 16:15 | tcohen | sec |
| 16:15 | https://snag.gy/Yz59Ry.jpg | |
| 16:16 | so I have firefox in another workspace | |
| 16:16 | and when I switch, it still shows the IRC client | |
| 16:16 | when i go back, IRC wrongly gets the focus | |
| 16:29 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:43 | pastebot | "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Error when using git-bz in kohadevbox" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/194 |
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| 16:45 | eythian | oleonard: have you defined the global name "host"? |
| 16:46 | oleonard | eythian: I have followed the kohadevbox instructions and my expectation was that I didn't need to manually define anything |
| 16:46 | eythian | I can't remember the details, but somewhere you have to provide a hostname. |
| 16:47 | oleonard | I don't see anything about that here: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]#Configure_git-bz |
| 16:51 | kidclamp | @later tell magnue coverflow 2.4 released - let me know if I broke anything :-) |
| 16:51 | huginn | kidclamp: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:52 | eythian | not sure, it's been too long since I've had to set it up. |
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| 17:00 | Joubu | oleonard: I think I get it when https is not set to true |
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| 17:23 | LibraryClaire | anyone able to help me with an error message I get when trying to do a git pull in devbox? I have a special skill for breaking things these days |
| 17:25 | Joubu | LibraryClaire: can try |
| 17:26 | LibraryClaire | i'm sure it's easy... two secs i'll paste |
| 17:26 | pastebot | "LibraryClaire" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "error: Unable to find 2618afd8" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/195 |
| 17:27 | Joubu | on fetching I guess? |
| 17:27 | LibraryClaire | yes |
| 17:28 | Joubu | git remote -v |
| 17:29 | LibraryClaire | tells me an origin for push and fetch |
| 17:29 | Joubu | over git or http? |
| 17:29 | LibraryClaire | origin http://git.koha-community.org/koha.git |
| 17:30 | Joubu | ok, try |
| 17:30 | git remote set-url origin git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git | |
| 17:30 | then fetch | |
| 17:30 | LibraryClaire | oh it's doing things now :D |
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| 17:32 | LibraryClaire | Thanks Joubu :)) |
| 17:36 | kidclamp | ashimema++ |
| 17:36 | Joubu++ | |
| 17:44 | rsantellan | I have a question about the email templates creation. The overdue_notice.pl call C4::Overdues::parse_overdues_letter, I see that I have all the data there, with all the data it calls: C4::Letters::GetPreparedLetter |
| 17:45 | my problem is in that function don't replace any data at all | |
| 17:45 | I create a test template with all the parameters | |
| 17:45 | and only a few of them are completed | |
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| 17:50 | Rules | Hello everyone |
| 17:50 | I have a question | |
| 17:51 | It's simple but I don't know how to do it | |
| 17:51 | I have several item types | |
| 17:52 | Books, journals, magazines, dvd's and others | |
| 17:53 | i want to create diferent rules to everyone | |
| 17:53 | for example | |
| 17:53 | books for 15 days | |
| 17:53 | and dvd for 5 days | |
| 17:53 | but I can't do it | |
| 17:53 | or is not working | |
| 17:54 | edveal | Rules so are you setting them up in the Circulation and fines rules? |
| 17:54 | Rules | yup |
| 17:55 | i set 15 days to books | |
| 17:55 | and 5 days to DVD | |
| 17:55 | edveal | Can you explain what is not working? |
| 17:55 | Are they checkiong out for the wrong time or not checking out at all? | |
| 17:55 | Rules | but books are loan just for 5 days |
| 17:55 | like using dvd rules | |
| 17:56 | cheking out for the wrong time | |
| 17:56 | edveal | Do you have multiple libraries? |
| 17:56 | Rules | Nope |
| 17:56 | just 1 | |
| 17:57 | edveal | Do you have multiple patron catagories or have you set that for “All”? |
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| 17:58 | Rules | multiple |
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| 17:58 | edveal | Do they have different rules for each patron catagory? |
| 17:59 | Rules | yes |
| 17:59 | edveal | Are any of them checking out correctly or are they all doing the same thing incorrectly? |
| 18:00 | Rules | DVD are checking out for 5 days... like they suppose to |
| 18:01 | but books are checking out for 5 days too.... not 15 days like I would like | |
| 18:01 | edveal | But everything else is checking out incorectly? |
| 18:02 | Rules | other types aren't configured |
| 18:02 | edveal | So you only have those two? sorry for all the questions. |
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| 18:03 | Rules | yes... but i believe that it would be the same problems for other items |
| 18:03 | no worries | |
| 18:03 | keep asking | |
| 18:03 | edveal | What version of Koha are you using? |
| 18:03 | Rules | is the only way you can help me |
| 18:04 | 3.22.04.000 | |
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| 18:26 | LibraryClaire | tcohen around? |
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| 18:32 | tcohen | hi LibraryClaire |
| 18:32 | LibraryClaire | hi, i think i broke something in my devbox |
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| 19:10 | oleonard | Okay figured out my git-bz problem. With sync_repo on git-bz was looking at the git config file on my host machine, which doesn't have git-bz because does it even work on Windows? |
| 19:10 | Manually adding config details solved the problem. | |
| 19:12 | So it makes me wonder, should there be a global configuration setting for git-bz out of the box? | |
| 19:14 | rangi | i guess for all the bits that can be global (except the username and password i guess?) |
| 19:15 | oleonard | In kohadevbox would putting everything in global collide with other stuff? I guess I don't know what else people might use kohadevbox for |
| 19:16 | Also hi rangi | |
| 19:17 | rangi | heya oleonard |
| 19:17 | wahanui | oleonard is not really here. He said so. He did! |
| 19:19 | oleonard | By the way, thanks for your contribution of the Mozilla Persona functionality rangi. Too bad it didn't take off. |
| 19:20 | * oleonard | signed off on the patch which removes it |
| 19:21 | rangi | yeah, tis a shame, i still reckon federated IDP is much better than one single one ... but oh well, we get the internet we deserve ;) |
| 19:25 | * oleonard | is a little annoyed at the rate at which Mozilla starts and then kills projects |
| 19:26 | rangi | yup |
| 19:27 | drojf | yes |
| 19:27 | * drojf | throws a few firefox os phones on the #koha fire |
| 19:27 | rangi | you know what killed firefox os |
| 19:28 | europeans and their love of whatsapp | |
| 19:28 | drojf | heh |
| 19:28 | wasn't that actually available? never used it | |
| 19:28 | rangi | srsly, i was talking to francois who worked on them, they got so many returned as 'faulty' because whatsapp wouldn't work on them (and whatsapp had zero intention of porting) |
| 19:29 | its probably the same reason ubuntu phones will fail | |
| 19:29 | LibraryClaire | my new tv has firefox os |
| 19:29 | drojf | :( |
| 19:29 | throw it on the fire | |
| 19:29 | LibraryClaire | but so shiny :( |
| 19:29 | drojf | i said fire |
| 19:29 | rangi | heh |
| 19:29 | drojf | :P |
| 19:29 | oleonard | I didn't know TVs had Firefox OS. |
| 19:30 | rangi | gotta be better than whatever madness my panasonic tv is running |
| 19:30 | drojf | panasonic has some. i read they might… "work" on it |
| 19:30 | but i hear they suck at that | |
| 19:30 | sounds like rangi can confirm | |
| 19:30 | :P | |
| 19:31 | oleonard | I'm a little afraid of new TVs these days. What are they doing behind my back? |
| 19:31 | rangi | yay for tvs that randomly crash |
| 19:31 | such a good advance | |
| 19:31 | drojf | i want the internet out of the tv |
| 19:31 | thats what raspis are for :P | |
| 19:31 | LibraryClaire | mine is panasonic |
| 19:32 | rangi | i have an old one, its running panasonics own creation (probably windows me hacked at) |
| 19:32 | LibraryClaire | it has not crashed and runs netflix really well :D |
| 19:34 | drojf | ok i give up trying to figure out why the nightly thing puts the whole git directory in the tar file. which is why all is broken, because thats huge |
| 19:34 | * drojf | throws the nightly server on the fire |
| 19:35 | * LibraryClaire | tries to put out hte fire before everything ends up in it |
| 19:35 | rangi | hehe |
| 19:37 | * cait | waves |
| 19:38 | has pancakes :) | |
| 19:38 | rangi | don't let drojf see them, he'll throw them on the fire |
| 19:39 | * LibraryClaire | takes pancakes to save them from fire |
| 19:39 | oleonard | Yes, to 'save them from the fire' ... |
| 19:40 | cait | hehe |
| 19:40 | LibraryClaire | sorry what? *wipes crumbs from mouth* |
| 19:40 | * cait | shares with rangi and LibraryClaire |
| 19:40 | LibraryClaire | yay :D |
| 19:40 | cait | oh and oleonard |
| 19:41 | drojf: you know why you don't get any | |
| 19:42 | anyone want me to help with the evil bug list? | |
| 19:42 | LibraryClaire | i have spent two hours trying to make some form of koha work so i can test stuff |
| 19:42 | * oleonard | didn't know there was a separate list for evil ones |
| 19:42 | LibraryClaire | *cries in the corner* |
| 19:42 | cait | i made the mistake to speak up at th emeeting |
| 19:42 | and now Joubu wants a list | |
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| 19:43 | oleonard | LibraryClaire: I just got my kohadevbox working, so I'm a super-expert now. |
| 19:43 | cait | i think building a bugzilla search might work and checking severity |
| 19:43 | LibraryClaire | oleonard i just broke mine |
| 19:44 | building from scratch now | |
| 19:45 | cait | bug 7736 |
| 19:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7736 new feature, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Edifact QUOTE and ORDER functionality |
| 19:45 | oleonard | Oh the evil bug list came up while I was away. |
| 19:45 | cait | i was only there for like 5 mins... was enough to end up with a todo |
| 19:45 | bug 17692 | |
| 19:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17692 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , Can't add library EAN under Plack |
| 19:46 | cait | how do we treat plack bugs? |
| 19:46 | oleonard | So the question is about NEW bugs? Or existing patches we want to move along? |
| 19:46 | cait | i was mostly talking about bugs without patches |
| 19:46 | we have some regressions | |
| 19:47 | ah cool, bug 17764 has a patch now :) | |
| 19:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17764 critical, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , OPAC search fails when lost items are in the result set and there is no logged in user |
| 19:47 | cait | Joubu++ oleonard++ |
| 19:47 | LibraryClaire | see |
| 19:47 | that was what i was gonna test | |
| 19:48 | stupid broken .... *mutters* | |
| 19:48 | cait | bug 17766 |
| 19:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17766 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Patron notification does not work with multi item holds |
| 19:48 | cait | has a patch waiting |
| 19:50 | bug 17774 | |
| 19:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17774 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Acquisitions module getting internal server error when adding orders to basket - a case of barcode not autoincrementing (?) |
| 19:53 | * LibraryClaire | throws laptop on the fire |
| 19:54 | drojf | good girl |
| 19:54 | LibraryClaire | I cannot test under these conditions! |
| 19:55 | (broke all her kohas) | |
| 19:55 | oleonard | I'm sorry you're having trouble LibraryClaire, but kohadevbox++ from me so far. |
| 19:55 | LibraryClaire | yeh it was great while it worked |
| 19:56 | but we couldn't figure out what on earth i did | |
| 19:56 | so we did vagrant destroy | |
| 19:56 | just waiting for it to reinstall | |
| 19:56 | i think the magic pixies got at it while i was sleeping | |
| 19:58 | i suspect it has nothing to do with the devbox itself and is more pebcak :D | |
| 19:58 | cait | hm, what about the fumes? |
| 19:58 | LibraryClaire | yay install finished |
| 19:59 | *pokes devbox* | |
| 19:59 | cait | burning laptop |
| 19:59 | LibraryClaire | drojf's fire |
| 19:59 | oleonard | Bye all. See you tomorrow. |
| 20:00 | cait | ah good then |
| 20:00 | LibraryClaire | anyone know what the web installer login is for devbox? |
| 20:00 | cait | koha_kohadev |
| 20:00 | password | |
| 20:00 | wahanui | i heard password was correct |
| 20:01 | LibraryClaire | ta! |
| 20:01 | haha, i'm stuck in a web installer loop | |
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| 20:05 | cait | try killing plack |
| 20:05 | or restarting it | |
| 20:05 | but the last time i had to kill it | |
| 20:05 | LibraryClaire | oh |
| 20:05 | cait | which might not be normally necessary... but... i break things |
| 20:05 | LibraryClaire | i look at stuff and apparently they break :) |
| 20:07 | cait | yeah, it happens |
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| 20:18 | rangi | good grief |
| 20:19 | https://termsfeed.com/blog/eu-privacy-policy/ | |
| 20:19 | ive given up trying to reconcile all the privacy stuff | |
| 20:19 | and just writing one to comply with the EU | |
| 20:20 | i figure it's about as strong as nz privacy and way stronger than US | |
| 20:20 | so probably good enough | |
| 20:20 | Dyrcona | Anything is stronger than the US.... :) |
| 20:20 | rangi | true |
| 20:20 | Dyrcona | 'Cept mabye Russia. |
| 20:22 | Nuentoter | china's privacy policy is nice and simple: "if you type it, it is ours, if you read it, it is ours." |
| 20:22 | Dyrcona | heh |
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| 20:24 | * Dyrcona | is reminded of something Scott McNealy said in the '90s...... |
| 20:27 | Dyrcona | I can hear the reaction: "Scott McWho, now?" ;) |
| 20:28 | LibraryClaire | @later tell tcohen I seem to have a working kohadevbox now! Thanks! :) |
| 20:28 | huginn | LibraryClaire: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:29 | * Dyrcona | should be configuring production VMs for Evergreen, but somehow wound up in here. :) |
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| 20:33 | LibraryClaire | righty, i'm gonna head to where i cannot break things :D (bed!) |
| 20:33 | laters #koha | |
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| 20:36 | wizzyrea | a very annoying thing about the devbox, is that plack isn't supposed to be running when the installer does |
| 20:36 | but it is | |
| 20:37 | in fact, doing work like patch fixing on the devbox with memcached and plack both running is >.< to me. I understand why it's important but it's so easy to forget to clear them. | |
| 20:37 | cait | i am not persuaded web installer + plack not working is not a bug |
| 20:38 | in general... since we turned on plack some things are weird :( | |
| 20:38 | rangi | it is going to break every upgrade |
| 20:38 | in different ways | |
| 20:38 | (the installer if you plack running) | |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | isn't it something to do with the version being cached as uninstalled, and then when the db gets populated it isn't refreshed to the now correct version |
| 20:43 | that's normally how installer loops happen anyway, version mismatches. | |
| 20:44 | cait | it also seems like turning off opac maintenance requires another restart of plack |
| 20:44 | or it won't go away | |
| 20:44 | and if you change marc frameworks... it takes time for it to show? *confused* | |
| 20:45 | wizzyrea | changing the frameworks sounds more like a memcached one to me, I could be wrong tho |
| 20:45 | cait | no memcached running |
| 20:45 | wizzyrea | then not that :) |
| 20:45 | cait | i thought that too first, but we checked |
| 20:45 | does the caching fallback to something else when you have no memcached? | |
| 20:46 | wizzyrea | there was a whole bug about "changing sysprefs doesn't work with plack running" |
| 20:46 | bug 9005 | |
| 20:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9005 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, Changing sysprefs requires restart under Plack |
| 20:46 | cait | hm if that crawled back in it would be pretty horrible |
| 20:47 | rangi | we should stop talking about it and fix it and write user docs and stuff |
| 20:47 | bwahaha | |
| 20:47 | that guy can still go to hell | |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | one thing to check would be that this C4::Context->disable_syspref_cache();" is in your koha.psgi file |
| 20:48 | cait | i don't think we tweaked it |
| 20:48 | just using default | |
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| 20:48 | cait | but will |
| 20:48 | wizzyrea | *nod* but there have been some changes in there |
| 20:48 | since this patch | |
| 20:49 | cait | ok, so C4::Context->disable_syspref_cache();" is koha.psgi file |
| 20:49 | will ask tomorrow thx | |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | must be somethin esle |
| 20:50 | cait | ah no, can't check from here :) |
| 20:50 | will have to take it back to the coworkers | |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea: my account for kc website still works - anything i should know about adding a release post? | |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea | hm, nope not really. You are generating the release notes with the release tools? |
| 20:52 | if you are using the html created ones, just be sure to put the editor mode in HTML mode when you paste it in | |
| 20:52 | that's the only thing I can think of | |
| 20:52 | if you want, I can check it for you | |
| 20:52 | rangi | ohh we base64 md5 hash it |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | oh, um, be sure to tag it in the right categories for release |
| 20:52 | rangi | (hea) |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | erk |
| 20:53 | rangi | its not a password |
| 20:53 | just the library name | |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | oh phe |
| 20:53 | w | |
| 20:53 | rangi | and a bunch of entropy |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | so interesting |
| 20:54 | possibly the method of disabling the syspref cache has changed, because my devbox's koha.psgi doesn't have that disable_syspref_cache | |
| 20:55 | cait | wizzyrea: iwill |
| 20:56 | wizzyrea: hm i can try and do a draft sometime :) I want to do a test run during th eweekend | |
| 20:56 | wizzyrea | sure - if you can't get me, you can twitter DM or facebook messenger at me (or gchat or...) because that goes to my pocket |
| 20:58 | cait | thx |
| 20:58 | trying to get everything in place | |
| 20:58 | should we answer the emai about training and certification? | |
| 20:59 | rangi | kathryn was going to for catalyst, we offer a full week course that covers all that, but i dunno if anyone else was going to |
| 21:01 | wizzyrea | cait: bug 13805 |
| 21:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13805 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Installer does not work under Plack |
| 21:02 | rangi | https://github.com/ranginui/he[…]Privacy_Policy.md |
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| 21:03 | rangi | now i have to write some T&C |
| 21:03 | bleurgh | |
| 21:03 | wizzyrea | rangi++ |
| 21:03 | cait | t&c? |
| 21:04 | rangi | terms and conditions |
| 21:04 | irma | good morning all |
| 21:04 | cait | morning irma |
| 21:04 | rangi: ah right | |
| 21:04 | irma | Nice !!! http://libcat.kustar.ac.ae/ |
| 21:04 | cait | i was thinking because no official certification |
| 21:05 | rangi | @later tell drojf can you have a read over this please https://github.com/ranginui/he[…]Privacy_Policy.md it's the start of the privacy policy I am writing |
| 21:05 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:06 | irma | rangi if you are looking for someone (no lawyer) to read over the privacy policy ask BobB |
| 21:08 | rangi | if you could point him that way, that would be great thanks irma |
| 21:10 | kathryn | morning! }:0) |
| 21:10 | Yep, I'll answer that one today, rangi | |
| 21:10 | hi cait and irma | |
| 21:10 | irma | morning kathryn ... will do Rangi |
| 21:12 | cait | morning kathryn :) |
| 21:12 | kathryn | evening cait, white christmas? |
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| 21:26 | cait | not so far, if you don't count fog |
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