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| 01:05 | TGoat | Hello good folks of #koha. Please tell me, is KohaCon 2017 definitely in the Philippines? |
| 01:06 | rangi | yes |
| 01:07 | TGoat | thanks rangi |
| 01:07 | wwanted to be sure I was giving a library in Costa Rica good intel | |
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| 06:54 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 07:22 | LibraryClaire | morning #koha |
| 07:24 | magnuse | guten morgen BüchereiKlara |
| 07:24 | @wunder enbo | |
| 07:24 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (7:50 AM CET on December 07, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:24 | magnuse | nice! |
| 07:25 | but a bit dark, since all snow is gone | |
| 07:25 | LibraryClaire | hi magnuse |
| 07:25 | @wunder konstanz | |
| 07:25 | huginn | LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is 2.6°C (8:11 AM CET on December 07, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.54 in 1034 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:25 | LibraryClaire | clear is a lie |
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| 07:29 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:36 | LibraryClaire | hi reiveune |
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| 07:44 | fridolin | hie |
| 07:44 | LibraryClaire | hey fridolin |
| 07:44 | wahanui | fridolin is busy at the moment, I asked him to backport the bug fix |
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| 07:54 | jajm | hello |
| 07:54 | wahanui | salut, jajm |
| 07:54 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:54 | * LibraryClaire | waves |
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| 10:46 | * kidclamp | waves |
| 10:53 | LibraryClaire | hi kidclamp |
| 10:53 | kidclamp | hiya LibraryClaire |
| 10:58 | eythian | https://plus.google.com/+Robin[…]u6ytXEhm?sfc=true <-- something else I did this weekend past |
| 11:00 | kidclamp | that looks like fun |
| 11:01 | eythian | it was. It was also freezing cold, but we had enough drinks on the boat :) |
| 11:02 | kidclamp | liquid parka |
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| 11:57 | kidclamp | Joubu around? |
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| 12:10 | rsantellan | good morning #koha |
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| 12:12 | marcelr | hi #koha |
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| 12:23 | Joubu | kidclamp_away: yep |
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| 12:27 | vfernandes | hi #Koha |
| 12:27 | we are testing Koha 16.11 with 3M records and with elasticsearch | |
| 12:29 | the reindex of 3 millions records takes more than a day... can we speed up this reindex? | |
| 12:31 | Joubu | vfernandes: you can play with --commit |
| 12:33 | vfernandes | Joubu: what that argument does? |
| 12:35 | sets the number of records | |
| 12:35 | "Higher should be faster, but will cause more RAM usage. Default is 5000." | |
| 12:35 | Joubu | it's the number of records to build before commiting them to the ES index |
| 12:35 | vfernandes | memory is not a problem |
| 12:36 | we should also increase ElasticSearch memory? | |
| 12:36 | Joubu | you could try a batch of 100k with commit=5k and commit=25k and compare time exec |
| 12:37 | no idea, but if you have RAM available it will not hurt | |
| 12:38 | vfernandes | thanks Joubu |
| 12:40 | 7/8s for search 3M records without plack looks very promising | |
| 12:44 | eythian | marcelr: got some nice canal photos on Sunday: https://plus.google.com/+Robin[…]u6ytXEhm?sfc=true |
| 12:45 | marcelr | hi eythian: not that 'light' ;) and kind of cold? |
| 12:46 | oleonard | Oops I never logged out last night. |
| 12:46 | I didn't really stay awake all this time. | |
| 12:46 | eythian | marcelr: well, lights work best in the dark. And yeah, it was about 1° I think. |
| 12:47 | Luckily I had wintery layers with me. | |
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| 12:53 | LibraryClaire | hi oleonard |
| 12:53 | wahanui | hi oleopard |
| 12:54 | LibraryClaire | wahanui botsnack |
| 12:54 | wahanui | :) |
| 12:54 | * oleonard | wonders if giving wahanui a botsnack will train him to prefer a certain reply |
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| 12:56 | LibraryClaire | figured it was worth a shot :D |
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| 13:25 | magnuse | @wunder enbo |
| 13:25 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (1:50 PM CET on December 07, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:32 | LibraryClaire | @wunder konstanz |
| 13:32 | huginn | LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Jungerhalde, Konstanz, Germany is 2.6°C (2:28 PM CET on December 07, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:34 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 13:34 | huginn | oleonard: The current temperature in Longview Hts, Athens, Ohio is 0.5°C (8:33 AM EST on December 07, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Falling). |
| 13:34 | * oleonard | should move to Norway |
| 13:35 | eythian | @wunder jordaan, ams |
| 13:35 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Ten Kateplein, Amsterdam, Netherlands is 10.0°C (2:31 PM CET on December 07, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:35 | * eythian | wins |
| 13:36 | * oleonard | should move to Amsterdam |
| 13:36 | eythian | I recommend it |
| 13:37 | * LibraryClaire | likes KOnstanz |
| 13:38 | * oleonard | should live in a caravan and travel Europe according to the weather |
| 13:38 | LibraryClaire | :) |
| 13:38 | oleonard | Please send wifi passwords |
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| 13:40 | LibraryClaire | essentials ^^ |
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| 13:52 | Joubu | Zeno, are you around? |
| 13:52 | I don't remember his nick | |
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| 14:02 | thd | Is there a meeting now? |
| 14:02 | mkuhn | I think so... |
| 14:03 | thd | Was there a reminder sent to the mailing list? |
| 14:03 | mkuhn | No |
| 14:04 | thd | No reminder is a problem especially when we have been experimenting with different meeting times. |
| 14:04 | mkuhn | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_7_December_2016 says there is a meeting now |
| 14:04 | OK so it seems we are the only ones in this meeting? | |
| 14:05 | oleonard | I think that means this meeting is postponed |
| 14:05 | thd | If there are only two of us, that is not enough to hold a proper meeting. |
| 14:06 | mkuhn | It's a good occasion to rename Koha or change the numbering of the versions ;-) |
| 14:06 | thd | I think that a poor interpretation has been given to the information in https://framadate.org/3dAEB8zqQLzzTptD . |
| 14:06 | mkuhn | What is this list, I have never seen this before |
| 14:06 | oleonard | thd: That was specific to dev meetings I think |
| 14:07 | thd | oleonard: The survey may have been introduced for development meetings but has been applied more generally. |
| 14:08 | mkuhn: One thing the survey needs is more data points. Please add you information if you would like to be considered. | |
| 14:08 | s/you/your information/ | |
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| 14:09 | mkuhn | I have done that already. But I'm definitely no friend of such lists which only complicate things (in my opinion). |
| 14:10 | thd | A single most popular preferred time is never going to work because it always excludes some people. |
| 14:10 | oleonard | A single time is never going to work because it always excludes some people. |
| 14:11 | However, multiple meetings haven't worked well in the past either. | |
| 14:11 | So we're stuck with an imperfect system. | |
| 14:11 | mkuhn | Imperfect system means just, someone else is excluded. |
| 14:12 | thd | The fatal trouble with only one "optimal" time is that some people can never attend which should be unacceptable. |
| 14:12 | Joubu | I sent a "reminder" 2 days ago, in the "what's on" email |
| 14:13 | the goal was to find 2 optimal times, not just one | |
| 14:13 | thd | We need to have alternate times even if it is for different meetings to ensure that some people expressing an interest in participating are not systematically excluded. |
| 14:13 | Joubu | and stop spending 15min at each meeting trying to find a slot for the next one |
| 14:14 | The survey highlights that 13 is excellent for lot of us, and we did not use so often this slot | |
| 14:14 | thd | Joubu, the use which I have seen of the survey is to pick the one time with the most favourable votes as the optimal time for multiple meetings. |
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| 14:16 | Joubu | alternate between 13 and 19-20 sounds almost perfect |
| 14:16 | thd | Joubu: The survey has done well to help us think more scientifically about meeting times. |
| 14:16 | It seems that UTC 20 captures those excluded by UTC 13. | |
| 14:17 | schnydszch | #info Eugene Espinoza philippines |
| 14:17 | Joubu | I don't think the time is the most important factor, trying to motivate people seems to be the big problem |
| 14:17 | oleonard | schnydszch: sorry, the meeting doesn't appear to be happening. |
| 14:17 | schnydszch: We don't seem to have a quorum | |
| 14:17 | thd | Do we not have enough people for a meeting now? |
| 14:17 | schnydszch | oopss sorry |
| 14:18 | i thought i was late | |
| 14:18 | mkuhn | OK, so there is actually no meeting now? |
| 14:18 | thd | oleonard: The agenda is small. |
| 14:18 | We could dispatch the agenda quickly. | |
| 14:19 | oleonard: You could chair the meeting to ensure it goes quickly :) | |
| 14:19 | schnydszch | just looked at the logged, yeah. It was already posted in the Koha list, we've finally managed the venue sponsorship, so 2017 Kohacon in the Philippines is free |
| 14:20 | kidclamp | I can chair, gimme a minute to get my notes together :-) |
| 14:21 | thd | Joubu: Do you think that we should have an abbreviated meeting even to set the next meeting time to UTC 20? |
| 14:21 | Joubu | meeting is coming |
| 14:22 | kidclamp | Okay |
| 14:23 | thd | schnydszch: Wait for the meeting to start so we can include your good news in the formal meeting log. |
| 14:23 | kidclamp | #startmeeting General IRC meeting 7 December 2016 |
| 14:23 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Dec 7 14:23:01 2016 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:23 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 14:23 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 December 2016) | |
| 14:23 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_7_december_2016' |
| 14:23 | kidclamp | #topic Introductions |
| 14:23 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 14:23 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 December 2016) | |
| 14:23 | kidclamp | #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions |
| 14:23 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
| 14:23 | barton | #info Barton Chittenden, bws, Louisville, KY, USA |
| 14:23 | mkuhn | #info Michael Kuhn, Admin Kuhn (Switzerland) |
| 14:23 | schnydszch | #info Eugene Espinoza |
| 14:23 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 14:23 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA |
| 14:24 | schnydszch | #info Eugene Espinoza Philippines |
| 14:24 | rsantellan | #info Rodrigo Santellan, Montevideo, Uruguay |
| 14:24 | khall | #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions |
| 14:24 | kidclamp | last call |
| 14:24 | #topic Announcements | |
| 14:24 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 December 2016) | |
| 14:25 | kidclamp | Anyone have anything? khall? |
| 14:25 | khall | yeah |
| 14:25 | Brendan wanted me to let everyone know we are starting a project to integrate RDF functionality into Koha! | |
| 14:26 | First, we are looking into MARC to RDF conversion, then finding a suitable database | |
| 14:26 | After that we'll work on indexing the data into Elastic, and getting the search working in Koha! | |
| 14:26 | We hope to have something useful in 6 months or so | |
| 14:27 | kidclamp | #info ByWater is developing RDF for Koha |
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| 14:27 | thd | khall, have you added some content to the wiki describing your plans? |
| 14:27 | oleonard | Related? https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]i/Linked_Data_RFC |
| 14:27 | caboose_ | #info Michael Cabus, BWS princeton NJ...teaching web development but listening in |
| 14:28 | khall | thd: I cannot say, I'm not involved in the project yet |
| 14:28 | kidclamp | early stages thd, but as things progress we will add something to wiki |
| 14:29 | any more announcements? | |
| 14:29 | Joubu | about ES, there is bug 17500 waiting for feedbacks and testing |
| 14:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17500 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Use Elasticsearch to search for patrons |
| 14:29 | magnuse | khall: some swedes are paying me to work in that direction - we need to talk! but now i gotta run. |
| 14:30 | thd | There are multiple competing approaches to implementing RDF do you have a client for any particular one? |
| 14:30 | khall | magnuse: yes, we are planning to get together! |
| 14:30 | kidclamp | not yet thd, just starting research, any info you have would be appreciated, ping/email me after meeting |
| 14:30 | magnuse | khall: and dcook is working on oai-pmh + rdf |
| 14:30 | khall | thd: not that I'm aware of, we are still evaluating |
| 14:31 | sounds like we need to start a Koha RDF working group | |
| 14:31 | magnuse | yup |
| 14:31 | khall | maybe a mailing list or such |
| 14:31 | magnuse | andreas from SUB should be there too |
| 14:31 | kidclamp | Joubu: do you know if that bug will work with ES2.X? I have been holding off testing until we upgrade |
| 14:32 | Joubu | kidclamp: since it's basic indexing+searching it should work with both branches |
| 14:32 | kidclamp | #info Discussion/Thoughts needed on using ES for patron search: bug 17500 |
| 14:33 | last call for announcements | |
| 14:33 | #topic Update on releases | |
| 14:33 | Topic for #koha is now Update on releases (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 December 2016) | |
| 14:34 | kidclamp | khall: any 17.05 info |
| 14:34 | I don't think we have other maintainers here | |
| 14:35 | khall | Primarily pushing bugs to be backported at this time |
| 14:35 | I'll begin pushing enhancements more aggressively in the coming week or two | |
| 14:36 | kidclamp | Joubu? You mentioned some things in 'what's on' anything to emphasize? |
| 14:36 | khall | cait has been backporting bugs for 16.11.01 |
| 14:37 | Joubu | kidclamp: just read it :) |
| 14:37 | kidclamp | #info Kyle is pushing bug fixes at the moment, enhancements in the next week or so |
| 14:37 | cait | yep i have :) |
| 14:37 | kidclamp | #info cait is backporting needed fixes to 16.11.01 |
| 14:38 | #info read Jonathan's latest 'What's on in Koha devel' for more info | |
| 14:38 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 14:38 | kidclamp | #topic KohaCon |
| 14:38 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 December 2016) | |
| 14:39 | kidclamp | schnydszch: updates? |
| 14:39 | wahanui | updates are terrible |
| 14:40 | schnydszch | As I've already said above, we have managed to have the venue for free, the main conference, we're still negotiating the two day hackfest. 2017 Kohacon will be free of charge |
| 14:41 | kidclamp | #info KohaCon 2017 will have no registration fee - hackfest venue is in negotiations |
| 14:41 | schnydszch | However, we have to change the date June 19-23 as agreed with the venue sponsor |
| 14:42 | We are now opening call for sponsorships from the Koha community, you can email us at KohaCon17gmail.com |
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| 14:42 | kidclamp | #info KohaCon 2017 dates are now June 19-23 |
| 14:43 | #info KohaCon 2017 seeking sponsorships - contact KohaCon17gmail.com |
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| 14:43 | schnydszch | June 19-21 main conference, June 22-23 hackfest, still in Metro Manila |
| 14:43 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Manila | |
| 14:44 | kidclamp | #link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Manila KohaCon 2017 location info |
| 14:45 | comments anyone? | |
| 14:45 | schnydszch | formal letters to follow, to those who will be emailing for the call for sponsorships |
| 14:45 | and also, the online preregistration is still the same as posted in the list | |
| 14:46 | kidclamp | #link https://goo.gl/forms/BSZz8NT46u4pBqT23 KohaCon2017 registration |
| 14:47 | schnydszch | thanks kidclamp |
| 14:49 | kidclamp | can you send an email update to the mailing list schnydszch - or did I miss one? |
| 14:49 | and if nothing else I will move on to KohaCon 2018 | |
| 14:49 | schnydszch | we will update or post in the mailing list the details |
| 14:50 | yeah nothing else from us | |
| 14:50 | kidclamp | #action schnydszch will send an update on KC 2017 to the mailing lists |
| 14:50 | #topic KohaCon18 - Does it make sense to open bidding now? | |
| 14:50 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon18 - Does it make sense to open bidding now? (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 December 2016) | |
| 14:50 | thd | I think that we should wait until January before opening bidding on KohaCon18. I offer to create a wiki page and announce it on the mailing list around the second week in January. |
| 14:51 | kidclamp | that sounds reasonable to me |
| 14:52 | no other comments? | |
| 14:54 | #action thd will create a wiki page and announce bidding second week in January | |
| 14:54 | * kidclamp | thinks a round of coffee is in order |
| 14:54 | kidclamp | #topic Update: Marketing Group or Committee for spreading word about Koha |
| 14:54 | Topic for #koha is now Update: Marketing Group or Committee for spreading word about Koha (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 December 2016) | |
| 14:54 | kidclamp | anyone have info on this one? |
| 14:56 | #info tabled until next meeting | |
| 14:56 | #topic Next Meeting | |
| 14:56 | Topic for #koha is now Next Meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 December 2016) | |
| 14:57 | kidclamp | January 4th, 20 UTC? |
| 14:57 | thd | We have bee interpreting the meeting preferences survey https://framadate.org/3dAEB8zqQLzzTptD wrongly. |
| 14:57 | kidclamp | discussion before this meeting seemed to indicate 13/20 alternating covers most people |
| 14:58 | elaborate thd? | |
| 14:58 | thd | We should be more mindful of when people cannot come and not merely when most people prefer. |
| 14:59 | We also have no data from some people about maybe time or exclusion times which distorts or frustrates interpretation. | |
| 15:00 | Yes, I think 2017-01-04 20 UTC would be good as an alternate even if it may work poorly for me personally. | |
| 15:00 | oleonard | thd: You think our survey misses people who want to come to meetings because they didn't take the survey? |
| 15:01 | thd | oleonard: The survey is not widely enough known. |
| 15:01 | kidclamp | #link https://framadate.org/3dAEB8zqQLzzTptD Meeting Time survey |
| 15:02 | thd | The biggest problem is really, poor data with no maybe or exclusion times even worse than not enough data points from people who might attend. |
| 15:02 | oleonard | We know neither how widely the survey is known nor how many people *don't* show for meetings because the chosen time is generally bad |
| 15:02 | kidclamp | I think it has been posted to the lists several times, and I think the lists are where we should have more discussion on meeting times, since everyone can participate there |
| 15:03 | otherwise is the already participating group deciding :-_ | |
| 15:03 | oleonard | In fact we don't know at all why people don't show up for meetings. Perhaps we should post a survey asking why people don't come to meetings? |
| 15:04 | Joubu | I have posted the link at least 4x here on the channel, and during 3 months in the monthly email + extra email |
| 15:04 | I don't know what we can do to get more attention | |
| 15:04 | and a survey asking why people don't answer surveys? | |
| 15:05 | thd | oleonard: We have tried to make times in the past which would be helpful to people in India and had almost no participation. We have to give most weight to people who have a tradition of attending, unless we have a new willingness to participate expressed from some underserved time zone. |
| 15:05 | oleonard | Perhaps we should encourage people to add their apologies to the agenda so that we know who would have come if they could have |
| 15:06 | thd | Joubu: Do you have a procedure for managing people who would vote again to give more complete or different times than previously? |
| 15:06 | oleonard++\ | |
| 15:07 | kidclamp | #action please add your name to apologies on the meeting wiki page if you wanted to attend but couldn't |
| 15:07 | #action also, take the survey or respond on the list if current meeting times (rougly 13 or 20 UTC) are unworkable for you | |
| 15:08 | thd | Joubu: As survey owner can you replace the old info with new info if the same person votes again but does not remember or did not create a login? |
| 15:08 | Joubu | thd: no you cannot edit a vote, but I guess I can remove lines as I have admin rights |
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| 15:08 | thd | Joubu: That is what I meant, good. |
| 15:09 | Nuentoter | good morning everyone! |
| 15:09 | kidclamp | #info resubmit meeting info to survey, previous votes can be removed by admin if you need to update |
| 15:10 | going ahead with 20 utc for next meeting? | |
| 15:10 | thd | Joubu: You should encourage people with blue backgrounds to update their info and explain how they might do so even by adding a variant of their name after which you could mark out the old one. |
| 15:11 | Joubu | thd: I already did all what I could to get attention on this survey |
| 15:11 | Nuentoter | survey? |
| 15:11 | wahanui | survey is not widely enough known. |
| 15:11 | kidclamp | thd: would you send an email out to the lists with your suggestions? |
| 15:11 | thd | Joubu: I mean that some people have given incomplete information. |
| 15:12 | kidclamp | #info Next meeting: January 4th, 20 UTC |
| 15:12 | last call for new topics, time can continue on lists | |
| 15:12 | Joubu | I don't understand how it could help to get reds instead of blues |
| 15:13 | thd | In January I will send a message encouraging better info for the survey from some participants. |
| 15:13 | kidclamp | #action thd will send a message encouraging better info for meeting time survey from some participants |
| 15:13 | #endmeeting | |
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| 15:13 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Dec 7 15:13:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:13 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-12-07-14.23.html | |
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| 15:13 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]07-14.23.log.html | |
| 15:13 | oleonard | kidclamp++ |
| 15:14 | LibraryClaire | kidclamp++ |
| 15:14 | oleonard | Ruthless chairing. |
| 15:14 | kidclamp | yeah, would have been nice to have druthb around |
| 15:14 | oleonard | :P |
| 15:14 | khall | kidclamp++ indeed! |
| 15:14 | * kidclamp | ba-doom-sh |
| 15:17 | druthb | ? |
| 15:17 | thd | kidclamp: about RDF ... |
| 15:17 | kidclamp | yeah yeah |
| 15:18 | druthb: <oleonard> Ruthless chairing. - just being punny | |
| 15:19 | thd | kidclamp: I had been giving some attention to the issue and have been chasing down what various parties are doing for bibliographic data. |
| 15:20 | kidclamp | thd: cool, I would be interested in whatever you have |
| 15:20 | thd | kidclamp: I have been paying extra close attention since LC announced the BIBFRAME experiment which quickly morphed into the evolving BIBFRAME plan. |
| 15:20 | kidclamp: I see two major pitfalls. | |
| 15:22 | kidclamp: The biggest pitfall is overly "hard coding" some particular RDF model such as BIBFRAME which may change in significant ways, or not be as easily extensible as had been intended. | |
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| 15:24 | thd | kidclamp: Zepheria who developed BIBFRAME have been pursing BIBFRAME light with NLM, National Library of Medicine, and other libraries since their contract with LC ended. |
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| 15:25 | kidclamp | thd: agreed on wanting to maintain flexibility. Talljoy is our resident expert on the state of things so I am waiting to talk to her on our direction |
| 15:25 | thd | kidclamp: BIBFRAME light is more agnostic about vocabulary choice. |
| 15:26 | kidclamp | thd: do you have any references you can point me to specifically? |
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| 15:27 | thd | kidclamp: Koha and any library system may need its own special vocabulary to manage automation system data which is outside the scheme of common bibliographic data exchange. |
| 15:29 | kidclamp: Look at the various official BIBFRAME sites run by LC and details about the BIBFRAME light approach may be more difficult to track. I will try to find something from NLM over time. | |
| 15:29 | kidclamp: The other major issue is scalability. | |
| 15:31 | kidclamp: Speaking with the technical people embracing RDF and involved with the library world I do not have an answer to what happens with search and retrieval of RDF data with very large sets across multiple nodes. | |
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| 15:33 | kidclamp | yeah, I think there will be some trial and error as it just isn't overly known - we will need community support for any architecture too so will be open as we investigate |
| 15:33 | thd | kidclamp: A hazard with an insufficiently tested implementation is that some toy RDF store cannot cope with proper indexing of linked data and you could recreate the MARC broken into SQL components problem with the equivalent of too many DB joins needed for every query. |
| 15:35 | cait | kidclamp++ |
| 15:37 | kidclamp | thanks for tips thd |
| 15:37 | thd | kidclamp: My description has underplayed the complexities of wars over vocabulary choice. There are more contenders and Koha should be able to work with any of them simultaneously as needed. We should avoid anything like the current situation where a $marcflavour variable commits your database to one particular model. |
| 15:40 | kidclamp: We should actually use RDF as a way around the $marcflavour problem to allow data from Dublin Core, MARC 21, UNIMARC, and other records to coexist nicely in the same DB. | |
| 15:41 | kidclamp | that would be a very nice situation |
| 15:42 | thd | kidclamp: That is also a requirement for library automation systems serving the market in Taiwan which index both MARC 21 and CNMARC (based on UNIMARC) in the same system. |
| 15:43 | Unicorn does multi-MARC at some level. | |
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| 16:05 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:35 | ccordova_ | hello |
| 16:42 | I'm using koha 16.05 and I can not save the changes when I want to send a delay notice on tools> Overdue notice / status triggers the log shows me the following error. | |
| 16:42 | http://paste.koha-community.org/189 | |
| 16:42 | And the email box is blank | |
| 16:42 | https://snag.gy/1DnPoO.jpg | |
| 16:47 | Joubu | ccordova_: v16.05.05? |
| 16:51 | looks ok to me using 16.05.05 on a fresh DB, I am able to add overdue triggers. | |
| 16:53 | not sure why branchcode would be ambiguous, it's only in the overduerules table (not overduerules_transport_types) | |
| 16:53 | have to run, bye #koha | |
| 16:57 | ccordova_ | Joubu : yes 16.05.5 |
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| 17:33 | bag | @weather portland or |
| 17:33 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in Southwest Portland, Portland, Oregon is 1.2°C (9:24 AM PST on December 07, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.38 in 1029 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory from 3 PM this afternoon to 4 PM Thursday... |
| 17:36 | edveal | @weather lubbock tx |
| 17:36 | huginn | edveal: The current temperature in Atkins Middle School, Lubbock, Texas is 3.2°C (11:36 AM CST on December 07, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Rising). |
| 17:37 | edveal | bag chilly up there in OR. |
| 17:37 | bag | yeah I am frozen! |
| 17:38 | edveal | Not much warmer here in north west TX |
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| 18:43 | tcohen | @wunder portland, oregon |
| 18:43 | huginn | tcohen: The current temperature in Westerly, NW Portland, Portland, Oregon is 2.5°C (10:28 AM PST on December 07, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.38 in 1029 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory from 3 PM this afternoon to 4 PM Thursday... |
| 18:43 | tcohen | brrr |
| 18:43 | @wunder cordoba, argentina | |
| 18:43 | huginn | tcohen: The current temperature in Valle Escondido, Cordoba, Argentina, Córdoba, Argentina is 27.2°C (3:43 PM ART on December 07, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008 hPa (Falling). |
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| 19:35 | tcohen | anyone familiar with serials? |
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| 19:47 | kidclamp | lucky charms are my favorite tcohen |
| 20:05 | bag | kidclamp++ |
| 20:05 | HA! | |
| 20:05 | @seen cait | |
| 20:05 | huginn | bag: cait was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 29 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <cait> kidclamp++ |
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| 20:52 | wizzyrea | hi |
| 21:02 | bag | hi |
| 21:02 | wahanui | what's up, bag |
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