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| 00:28 | wizzyrea | bag: https://koha-community.org/about/libraries/ |
| 00:28 | bag | coolness |
| 00:28 | wahanui | coolness is a factor way the hell down druthb's list, though it's on there. The ability to do druthb's editing in druthb's Editor Of Choice instead of that wonky one in WP was a big selling point, as was being able to version-control the whole site with git, and automate the upload. So far, I'm happy as a clam with this. I've got about another hours's work, and it'll be ready for me to throw WP overboard. |
| 00:29 | wizzyrea | that's pulled from here https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]-list/tree/master |
| 00:29 | from library-list.tab | |
| 00:29 | anybody can do a merge request to that. | |
| 00:30 | * dcook | perks up |
| 00:30 | wonders about the label "State" | |
| 00:30 | dcook | Might "Region" be more inclusive? |
| 00:30 | I suppose State is fairly common.. | |
| 00:30 | wizzyrea | leave it off if you don't use it |
| 00:30 | see the readme ;) | |
| 00:30 | dcook | Oh, I mean in Canada they have Provinces |
| 00:30 | In France, Departments | |
| 00:31 | wizzyrea | mm there's no winning there |
| 00:31 | dcook | m/e reads |
| 00:31 | wizzyrea | except to leave it off. |
| 00:31 | dcook | :S |
| 00:31 | I don't see anything in the readme about that? | |
| 00:31 | wizzyrea | it just says "leave out anything that doesn't apply to you |
| 00:31 | dcook | Does it? |
| 00:31 | "Provide as much or as little information as you want." | |
| 00:32 | wizzyrea | You are welcome to submit a merge request ;) |
| 00:32 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:32 | Since we have states, I don't mind | |
| 00:32 | Although I guess we also have territories :O | |
| 00:32 | * dcook | thinks State is probably ubiquitious enough to be understod |
| 00:33 | wizzyrea | I'm for being inclusive, but "State/Department/Province/Region/Game of thrones kingship" won't really fit in the header so well |
| 00:33 | dcook | wizzyrea++ |
| 00:33 | Hehe. Nope. | |
| 00:33 | I was just asking a question :p | |
| 00:33 | State sounds fine | |
| 00:33 | It's a cool idea | |
| 00:33 | I like it more than updating the wiki | |
| 00:34 | wizzyrea | the cooler thing is that nobody has to log in to submit their library there |
| 00:34 | to the website | |
| 00:34 | dcook | Yep |
| 00:34 | wizzyrea | it's automaaaaagic :D |
| 00:34 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:34 | Automaaaaagi! | |
| 00:34 | Damn keyboard.. | |
| 00:34 | Automaaaaagic! | |
| 00:34 | Tpoooooooooo! | |
| 00:34 | wizzyrea | lool |
| 00:34 | dcook | I saw the typo before I hit enter but I thought itw as better this way.. |
| 00:34 | * dcook | needs a better keyboard apparently |
| 00:34 | dcook | Or more patience :p |
| 00:35 | wizzyrea | flip it over and whack all the crumbs out |
| 00:35 | that usually fixes mine | |
| 00:35 | dcook | lol |
| 00:35 | <3 | |
| 00:35 | I don't really eat overtop of this one | |
| 00:35 | Although that reminds me that I have cookies in the cupboard... | |
| 00:36 | wizzyrea: Would it be possible to use a directory instead of just one file? | |
| 00:37 | Vendors could then maintain individual files themselves? | |
| 00:37 | And send merge requests against those? | |
| 00:37 | wizzyrea | possible, yes. |
| 00:37 | dcook | I guess that could get out of hand too.. |
| 00:37 | wizzyrea | annoying? possibly. |
| 00:37 | my idea was that libraries and vendors are on equal footing submitting merge requests. | |
| 00:38 | and, it can be done through the gitlab interface | |
| 00:38 | dcook | Oooh. Nice! |
| 00:38 | wizzyrea | cuz it's just text |
| 00:38 | dcook | I just noticed Github could do that recently |
| 00:38 | * dcook | really needs to look at Gitlab more |
| 00:38 | wizzyrea | NOW IS YOUR CHANCE |
| 00:38 | :) | |
| 00:38 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:38 | wizzyrea | stick some of your libraries in there ;) |
| 00:38 | dcook | I'm going to ask the boss first, but I'm keen |
| 00:38 | wizzyrea | (the update job needs testing anyway, and there is a capitalisation error on the header line anyway) |
| 00:38 | dcook | I actually like the idea of not attaching vendor as well |
| 00:39 | wizzyrea | I'm sure someone will say that's a requirement |
| 00:39 | dcook | heh |
| 00:39 | I think it's much better this way | |
| 00:39 | wizzyrea | though in truth, we can put as much or as little as we want in there |
| 00:39 | dcook | True |
| 00:39 | wizzyrea | but I don't want it to be too verbose |
| 00:39 | just a list. | |
| 00:39 | dcook | Agreed |
| 00:39 | * dcook | nods |
| 00:40 | dcook | What would happen if someone put in HTML instead of plain text? |
| 00:40 | wizzyrea | I might run the file through a sorter to alphabetise it, we'll see |
| 00:40 | dcook | Say a link instead of just text for the Name? |
| 00:40 | * dcook | was curious about sorting to |
| 00:40 | wizzyrea | it should work |
| 00:40 | dcook | too* |
| 00:40 | wizzyrea | but I haven't tried |
| 00:40 | it is gated by the merge request | |
| 00:40 | dcook | Listen to me go. I should do more QA |
| 00:40 | wizzyrea | if the request looks dodgy, we can decline it |
| 00:41 | dcook | Yeah, I like that there's some review |
| 00:41 | wizzyrea | I think you mean "I am king of scope creep" |
| 00:41 | ;) | |
| 00:41 | dcook | :O |
| 00:41 | These are just ideas! haha | |
| 00:41 | wizzyrea | but yes, all of these things could be done |
| 00:41 | dcook | If I'm the king of scope creep, then I know a few emperors of scope creep... |
| 00:41 | Oh, I don't know if they're good ideas or bad ideas. Just curious :) | |
| 00:41 | wizzyrea | it's not a fantastically tricky process |
| 00:42 | dcook | Mmm, so how does hea figure into it? |
| 00:42 | wizzyrea | it doesn't, yet |
| 00:42 | that was my other idea | |
| 00:42 | to take the hea list, tidy it, and use that in the website | |
| 00:42 | but there isn't an api to hea | |
| 00:42 | that I can talk to | |
| 00:42 | * dcook | was also curious about de-duplication... as the king of scope creep |
| 00:43 | wizzyrea | if there was, this would be a different thing |
| 00:43 | dcook | Hmm? |
| 00:43 | wizzyrea | I could link directly there, but the list is rather untidy |
| 00:43 | (lots of dupes) | |
| 00:43 | dcook | ? |
| 00:44 | Which list? | |
| 00:44 | * dcook | hasn't looked at hea in ages. |
| 00:44 | wizzyrea | the library list of self reporting libraries in Hea? |
| 00:44 | dcook | 513 libraries, eh? That's cool |
| 00:44 | I'm sure that's a fraction of the real number using Koha.. | |
| 00:44 | Ahh, I didn't realize there was anything beyond the home page! | |
| 00:44 | wizzyrea | probably more like 450 because of the dupes :( |
| 00:45 | dcook | Hmm surely HEA should de-dup... |
| 00:45 | Anyway... | |
| 00:45 | I think I have a billion other things I should be doing.. | |
| 00:45 | But cool idea :) | |
| 00:45 | wizzyrea | it's not an acronym ;) |
| 00:45 | dcook | :O |
| 00:45 | In that case, hea it is. | |
| 00:45 | Bloody acronyms.. | |
| 00:45 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 00:46 | People always trying to take those Māori words and make them acronyms! | |
| 00:48 | dcook | Even when you've just told them they're not acronyms |
| 00:48 | I mean | |
| 00:48 | ACRONYMS | |
| 00:48 | >_> | |
| 00:49 | I think it should be mandatory that acronyms always be spelled in uppercase | |
| 01:11 | "Since Apache is one of those packages people like to compile themselves while others prefer the bureaucrat’s dream Debian, it is impossible to give guidelines which will work for everyone. Just send some feedback to the mailing list at gitvger.kernel.org to get this document tailored to your favorite distro." |
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| 01:12 | * dcook | blinks |
| 01:30 | jcamins | dcook: that document sounds great. |
| 01:30 | * dcook | is curious when it dates from |
| 01:31 | dcook | Last updated 2016-08-12 |
| 01:31 | (https://www.kernel.org/pub/sof[…]r-over-http.html) | |
| 02:12 | wizzyrea: Looks like we'll be adding some libraries in the near future | |
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| 03:15 | tcohen | hi |
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| 05:12 | bag | i can not believe |
| 05:12 | dcook | ^ |
| 05:13 | bag: You're not too far from the Canadian border, although I believe the immigration site has crashed... | |
| 05:13 | bag | I am in Seattle currently |
| 05:13 | but I think I am going to New Zealand | |
| 05:15 | dcook | Not a bad option |
| 05:15 | Well, I've never been | |
| 05:15 | Of course, then you have Australia right there... | |
| 05:15 | We can't gloat about our elected representatives... | |
| 05:16 | bag | I am shocked |
| 05:18 | dcook | I think everyone is |
| 05:18 | I think a lot of people were thinking it would go the other way | |
| 05:18 | Makes me think about Canada's last election | |
| 05:18 | I think the Conservatives lost because everything thought they would win, so they tried really hard to oust Harper | |
| 05:19 | Whereas surely no one thought Trump would actually win | |
| 05:19 | * dcook | would be interested in the final voter turnout figures.. |
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| 06:14 | bag | omg |
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| 06:41 | cait | hm no Joubu |
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| 07:13 | LibraryClaire | morning #koha |
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| 07:22 | fridolin | hie there |
| 07:22 | LibraryClaire | hey fridolin |
| 07:22 | wahanui | somebody said fridolin was busy at the moment, I asked him to backport the bug fix |
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| 07:34 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:39 | alex_a | hello |
| 07:46 | LibraryClaire | hey reiveune, hey alex_a |
| 07:47 | reiveune | hi LibraryClaire |
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| 08:07 | * magnuse | is barely able to wave |
| 08:08 | LibraryClaire | hi magnuse |
| 08:08 | magnuse | guten morgen BüchereiKlara |
| 08:09 | alex_a_ | :'( |
| 08:10 | * LibraryClaire | sends hugs |
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| 08:22 | alex_a_ | hugs++ |
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| 08:25 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:26 | LibraryClaire | hi gaetan_B |
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| 08:29 | Joubu | heh, back |
| 08:30 | (my vps has been trumped) | |
| 08:32 | LibraryClaire | hi Joubu |
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| 08:50 | eythian | @wunder Jordaan, ams |
| 08:50 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Geuzenbuurt Amsterdam, Amsterdam, Netherlands is 3.1°C (9:50 AM CET on November 09, 2016). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). |
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| 09:05 | smon | hi! how do i run export.pl from the command line? i mean in order to generate marc, i just found a script that generates the interface html |
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| 09:07 | Joubu | smon: misc/export_records.pl |
| 09:07 | the script has been split | |
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| 09:15 | smon | i see, thanks |
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| 09:22 | LibraryClaire | @wunder Konstanz |
| 09:22 | huginn | LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is 5.9°C (10:18 AM CET on November 09, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
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| 09:55 | magnuse | @wunder enbo |
| 09:55 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (10:50 AM CET on November 09, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: -14.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). |
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| 10:29 | magnuse | kia ora Viktor |
| 10:30 | Viktor | Is translate.koha-community.org down? Don’t see anything on the lists or in the chat logs but server seems down for me |
| 10:30 | Kia ora @magnuse | |
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| 10:38 | * kidclamp | waves |
| 10:39 | LibraryClaire | hi kidclamp |
| 10:39 | kidclamp | hi LibraryClaire |
| 10:39 | LibraryClaire | Viktor: it's down for me too |
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| 10:43 | magnuse | Viktor: down for me too |
| 10:43 | oh well, lunchtime | |
| 10:43 | wahanui | i guess lunchtime is a terrible time for a meeting |
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| 10:56 | Viktor | Thanks LibraryClaire and Magnuse. I got word from Bernardo who says it will probably be back soon. |
| 10:57 | And it’s back! :) | |
| 10:58 | LibraryClaire | \o/ |
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| 11:28 | Joubu | @later tell khall please push followup on bug 16520 |
| 11:28 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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| 11:49 | * cait | waves |
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| 12:35 | AndrewIsh | Hey everyone. I'm adding a view to the Catalog intranet views, all going well so far with one exception. In my template I'm including biblio-view-menu.inc, however, on my view the list of options it's offering are truncated compared to other tabs (Normal, MARC etc.) presumably I should be passing something to the template to help it know what tabs to display, any idea what? |
| 12:36 | The example I'm referring to is moredetail.pl, that passes $loggedinuser, which I've tried, to no avail | |
| 12:38 | I should say that *some* of the tab options are being displayed, just not all of the same ones as moredetails' template | |
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| 12:53 | AndrewIsh | Looking at the options not being displayed, it's all the ones with privilege bindings, i.e. can_view_labeledMARC So, clearly I'm not passing them to the template. |
| 12:53 | * AndrewIsh | keeps digging... |
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| 13:42 | cait | AndrewIsh: not sure i understand the problem |
| 13:42 | but could it be permissions? | |
| 13:42 | wahanui | could it be permissions is it only keyword searches or all searches? |
| 13:42 | cait | if you tell us which tabs are missing, maybe we can figure it out :) |
| 13:45 | AndrewIsh | cait: The missing tabs are MARC, Labeled MARC, ISBD, Analytics, & Subscription(s) |
| 13:46 | cait | hm |
| 13:46 | there are systempreferences for some of those | |
| 13:47 | AndrewIsh | cait: Yet, if I click on one of those tabs, the template displays all the options, so it feels like that template is getting something that mine isn't that is enabling it to determine what options to display |
| 13:47 | cait | might be a perl variable |
| 13:47 | not checking the prefs int he template yet, as this is older than the opac files | |
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| 13:51 | magnuse | hm, where is itemtypes.summary supposed to be displayed? |
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| 13:54 | AndrewIsh | cait: Indeed, Colin here just pointed out that I wasn't passing flagsrequired to get_template_and_user, which I am now, but doesn't seem to have helped in this case... :( |
| 13:56 | cait | magnuse: i never figured it out, i think reslut list without xslt maybe (very maybe) |
| 13:56 | AndrewIsh: still good to catch that | |
| 13:56 | what does the template look like, can you paste? | |
| 13:59 | AndrewIsh | cait: My view template or the menu tabs template include? |
| 14:00 | eythian | @wunder jordaan, ams |
| 14:00 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Ten Kateplein, Amsterdam, Netherlands is 5.9°C (2:55 PM CET on November 09, 2016). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). |
| 14:01 | cait | the include |
| 14:01 | for a start :) | |
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| 14:06 | AndrewIsh | cait: OK, sorry, remind me of the channel approved paste service? |
| 14:06 | Ah, got it from the topic :) | |
| 14:08 | pastebot | "AndrewIsh" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "biblio-view-menu.inc" (38 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/159 |
| 14:09 | AndrewIsh | cait: All I've done is add the stockrotationview option at the bottom |
| 14:09 | cait: And, as I say, all the other template that include this display all the options | |
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| 14:24 | magnuse | cait: thanks! |
| 14:32 | AndrewIsh | cait: Just to let you know, Colin just got it, I wasn't passing C4::Search::enabled_staff_search_views to the template. Doh! |
| 14:38 | magnuse | cait: nah, can't even see it if i turn off xslt. will enter a bug for it |
| 14:39 | cait | ah sorry, had to run around |
| 14:39 | but glad you solved it! | |
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| 14:50 | Viktor | Opac sv-se for 16.11 is now at 100% I’m going home now :) |
| 14:52 | cait | hi Viktor! |
| 14:52 | and have a nice evening :) | |
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| 14:53 | tcohen | late morning #koha |
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| 14:56 | LibraryClaire | hey tcohen |
| 14:56 | Viktor | You to cait! |
| 14:57 | magnuse | bug 17598 |
| 14:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17598 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Make use of itemtypes.summary |
| 14:58 | magnuse | for those who are better at archaeology than me ^ |
| 14:58 | cait | tcohen: did you see my later about the web installer under plack? |
| 14:58 | it was a few days ago | |
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| 15:22 | tcohen | hi cait |
| 15:22 | I didn't | |
| 15:24 | cait | ah |
| 15:24 | when i have plack turned on in kohadevbox | |
| 15:24 | it runs in a loop | |
| 15:24 | and no restarting of anything gets me out of it | |
| 15:24 | it might only happen if there is an atomic update too - i haven't verified that yet | |
| 15:25 | but the only way to make it stop i found was to disable plack | |
| 15:25 | tcohen :) | |
| 15:27 | tcohen | you might try restarting memcached and then plack |
| 15:31 | cait | hm i think i tried that |
| 15:32 | because i restarted both mutliple time | |
| 15:32 | s | |
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| 15:32 | tcohen | cait: I dunno |
| 15:33 | cait | keep an eye out if it happens to you too? :) |
| 15:33 | tcohen | of course |
| 15:33 | you can try removing the atomic update file | |
| 15:34 | cait | next time maybe |
| 15:34 | i am not sure how much testing i will get done before release | |
| 15:34 | and yay for kohadevbox 2.0! :) | |
| 15:34 | do i have to do something to update? :) | |
| 15:34 | kchris | tcohen: in kohadevbox (jessie, 32 bit), ansible is failing. I get a "retry, use -limit @/home/ckirby/kohadevbox/site.retry" message. Not sure what to do with this. |
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| 15:35 | tcohen | kchris: take a screenshot of the actual error please |
| 15:36 | cait: yeah, i tagged it 2.0 as it finally got the whole needed functionality from the original one (and more of course) | |
| 15:37 | cait | so just git pull? |
| 15:37 | and then...? | |
| 15:37 | tcohen | to get 2.0? |
| 15:37 | yeah | |
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| 15:37 | cait | do i have to destroy my curernt one or can i still use it? |
| 15:38 | tcohen | i would destroy it |
| 15:38 | just in case, yeah | |
| 15:38 | cait | hmm |
| 15:38 | ok | |
| 15:38 | tcohen | go get some tea in the meantime ;-) |
| 15:38 | cait | can dump my database and then move it |
| 15:38 | heh not right now anyway, later, much later | |
| 15:38 | tcohen | dump it in kohaclone |
| 15:38 | so you have it outside | |
| 15:38 | cait | yep |
| 15:39 | that's the plan :) | |
| 15:39 | actually i do that already, just shouldn't forget to do a current one before the destry | |
| 15:40 | tcohen | cait: you should use SKIP_WEBINSTALLER=1 CREATE_ADMIN_USER=1 |
| 15:40 | now that you are on 2.0 | |
| 15:40 | and of course add your user/pass on user.yml | |
| 15:40 | cait | is thatdocumented yet? :) |
| 15:40 | tcohen | unless you are fine with admin admin |
| 15:40 | cait: are you kidding? | |
| 15:40 | of course it is! | |
| 15:41 | and pull requests are accepted if you think it can be improved | |
| 15:41 | cait | heh |
| 15:42 | magnuse | tcohen++ for doing awesome work on kohadevbox |
| 15:43 | tcohen | #koha if you want easy patches to sign off, look at bug 14598 'blocks' bugs |
| 15:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14598 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , itemtype is not set on statistics by C4::Circulation::AddReturn |
| 15:43 | cait | tcohen++ :) |
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| 15:48 | kchris | tcohen: I got a screenshot. What is the best way to share it with you? |
| 15:48 | tcohen | I paste it in https://snag.gy |
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| 15:54 | Joubu | @later tell khall you should have a look at 17591, the article request patches put a mess in our tests |
| 15:54 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:54 | Joubu | @later tell khall I am writting a patch to move the GetIssuingRules sub out of C4::Circulation to avoir Koha module to use it |
| 15:54 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:55 | Joubu | @later tell khall but this won't be the kind of patch (lot of things will be done) to push just before a release |
| 15:55 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:55 | Joubu | @later tell khall the only safe solution I see so far is to revert the patches |
| 15:55 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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| 15:59 | pastebot | "kchris" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ansible errors in kohadevbox" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/160 |
| 16:00 | kchris | tcohen: that paste was for you. |
| 16:02 | LibraryClaire | laters #koha |
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| 16:03 | tcohen | kchris: it looks like you are re-provisioning with SKIP_WEBINSTALLER, and it is failing because it failed creating the database |
| 16:03 | i never vagrant halt | |
| 16:03 | and never vagrant up --provision | |
| 16:03 | kchris | ok |
| 16:03 | tcohen | i usually vagrant destroy |
| 16:03 | OR vagrant suspend | |
| 16:04 | then vagrant up | |
| 16:04 | maybe I'm doing it wrong | |
| 16:04 | and that's why it fails for you | |
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| 16:04 | tcohen | but my workflow has always been different |
| 16:06 | kchris | tcohen: okay. I will try to start over (vagrant destroy). |
| 16:19 | kchris_away | |
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| 16:49 | Joubu | tcohen: see 17599 and 17600 |
| 17:00 | gaetan_B | bye |
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| 18:50 | rangi | morning |
| 18:50 | tcohen | hi rangi |
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| 18:53 | * cait | wave |
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| 18:54 | bag | hi rangi tcohen and cait |
| 18:54 | ah just missed cait | |
| 18:54 | rangi | http://translate.koha-communit[…]n/html/index.html |
| 18:55 | tcohen | rangi, that looks really awesome! |
| 18:56 | rangi | bgkriegel++ |
| 18:56 | bernardo has been doing some work on it too | |
| 18:57 | i just like that it is so much easier to work with | |
| 18:57 | for reference, atom has a really good restructured text plugin | |
| 18:58 | kidclamp | hello all |
| 18:58 | rangi | heya kidclamp |
| 18:58 | wahanui | kidclamp is rockin the stache |
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| 18:58 | josef_moravec | rangi: it looks great! |
| 18:59 | rangi | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]32ed01d616bdd10a6 |
| 18:59 | nearly finished splitting it up | |
| 19:00 | kidclamp | I'll give a minute or two for anyone else to trail in for meeting |
| 19:00 | rangi | ahh yep |
| 19:01 | tcohen | ah, I thought it was later! |
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| 19:01 | kidclamp | I did too, but nope |
| 19:02 | rangi | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6430f8342f0f2c60e <-- now you can go, make spelling |
| 19:03 | and it tests for spelling errors :) | |
| 19:03 | kidclamp | alright, let's get going |
| 19:03 | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 9 November 2016 | |
| 19:03 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Nov 9 19:03:43 2016 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 19:03 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 19:03 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 November 2016) | |
| 19:03 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_9_november_2016' |
| 19:04 | kidclamp | #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions |
| 19:04 | rangi | #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT |
| 19:04 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions |
| 19:04 | /#topic introductions | |
| 19:04 | MKuhn | #info Michael Kuhn, Admin Kuhn GmbH |
| 19:04 | josef_moravec | #info Josef Moravec, Municipal Library Usti nad Orlici, Czech Republic |
| 19:05 | kidclamp | #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions |
| 19:06 | okay | |
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| 19:06 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements | |
| 19:06 | kidclamp | Anyone have anything? |
| 19:07 | rangi | just the manual stuff that people have already seen |
| 19:07 | kidclamp | #info rangi is working on updating the manual |
| 19:07 | tcohen | #link http://translate.koha-communit[…]n/html/index.html |
| 19:07 | kidclamp | beat me to it |
| 19:08 | rangi | i am thinking of maybe shifting it to gitlab, so people can do merge requests easier .. i want the barrier as low as possible, it doesnt need to have near as much stringent QA as the code |
| 19:08 | kidclamp | +1 |
| 19:08 | jirislav | That's nice! Read the docs is the right choice |
| 19:08 | rangi | and with the .rst we dont need specific editors, it is human readable .. so that is much easier |
| 19:09 | jirislav | ... hi btw :) |
| 19:09 | rangi | we can get francesca (one of the koha junior devs here) to do us a koha css theme |
| 19:09 | thats all i have | |
| 19:09 | kidclamp | cool, next topic if no one else has announcements? |
| 19:10 | tcohen | ah yes |
| 19:10 | I put it at the bottom | |
| 19:10 | but it is really an announcement | |
| 19:10 | kidclamp | go for it |
| 19:10 | tcohen | and I won't be aroudn at the end of the meeting |
| 19:10 | The community jenkins server started to malfunction a couple weeks ago | |
| 19:10 | i spent a lot of time trying to recover it | |
| 19:11 | only to notice a clean install would just work | |
| 19:11 | as the Biblibre guy in charge of the server is AFK for a couple weeks | |
| 19:11 | I set a temporary (?) server on my own | |
| 19:11 | http://jenkins.theke.io | |
| 19:12 | in which I set the 'master' branch tasks so we have information for the next release | |
| 19:12 | kidclamp | #info tcohen set a temporary jenkins server until community jenkins is back up |
| 19:12 | #link http://jenkins.theke.io | |
| 19:12 | tcohen | we could just keep it, provided Laurent/Biblibre agrees and we just change the DNS |
| 19:12 | but I'm evaluating another posibilities | |
| 19:12 | for CI | |
| 19:13 | * Travis-CI * Buildbot * GoCD | |
| 19:13 | they are all valid options | |
| 19:13 | i'm trying to have time to make my mind about them | |
| 19:13 | kidclamp | do you want to talk with laurent and/or send an emial to devel tcohen? |
| 19:13 | tcohen | the plan is to somehow containerize the tasks |
| 19:14 | rangi | i think evaluating others is a good idea |
| 19:14 | tcohen | so we don't depend on the underlying OS (from the nodes) |
| 19:14 | rangi | jenkins works .. but it has always been fragile |
| 19:14 | tcohen | and I also plan to re-use the kohadevbox ansible playbook |
| 19:14 | for generating such environments/containers | |
| 19:14 | yeah, jenkins is fragile, too much | |
| 19:15 | I just had to downgrade the clover plugin | |
| 19:15 | they don't fix it... | |
| 19:15 | anyway | |
| 19:15 | #info If anyone has strong opinions on CI tools, please write to tcohen about it | |
| 19:16 | #info substituting jenkins for something else is a really possible option | |
| 19:17 | kidclamp | #action tcohen will investigate options for jenkins and coordinate with laurent @ BibLibre |
| 19:17 | okay, next topic | |
| 19:17 | wahanui | i heard next topic was a tricky one... |
| 19:17 | kidclamp | #topic Review of coding guidelines |
| 19:17 | Topic for #koha is now Review of coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 November 2016) | |
| 19:17 | kidclamp | #info Proposal - REST: Ban id fields in POST/PUT/PATCH bodies |
| 19:18 | I am not sure who put this proposal, anyone? | |
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| 19:18 | rangi | not me |
| 19:18 | tcohen | Martin / Kyle / Jonathan /Me? |
| 19:18 | we had that discussion | |
| 19:18 | the RESTful services design is not a closed discussion | |
| 19:19 | kidclamp | want to add your thoughts? we can postpone vote until more people are around too |
| 19:19 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 19:19 | tcohen | ok, my thought is that we shouldn't include the ID on the object we SEND |
| 19:19 | when you update/replace an object you usually hit an endpoint that looks like | |
| 19:20 | /endpoint/{ id } | |
| 19:20 | and send the new object (PUT) or attributes (PATCH) on the request body | |
| 19:20 | bag | #info bag Brendan Gallagher |
| 19:20 | tcohen | it is straightforward to just forbid the id to be part of the body |
| 19:20 | on the other hand | |
| 19:20 | if we allow it | |
| 19:20 | we need to add checks to it | |
| 19:21 | so people don't change the object id! | |
| 19:21 | this is a usual scenario and use case | |
| 19:21 | jirislav | I thought the object id is immutable |
| 19:21 | tcohen | we all agreed it was a good idea, adhering to that design style |
| 19:21 | jirislav | #info Jiri Kozlovsky, Brno, Czech Republic |
| 19:22 | tcohen | jirislav: it is, but when you code it, you need to take care of that immutability |
| 19:22 | rangi | tcohen: it sounds like a good rule to me |
| 19:22 | tcohen | the tradeoff |
| 19:22 | (otherwise there wouldn't be a dsicussion at all) | |
| 19:22 | kidclamp | and you sent it out on koha-devel - doesn't look like much discussion has come up |
| 19:22 | tcohen | is that when you GET an object |
| 19:22 | it could include the id | |
| 19:23 | yeah | |
| 19:23 | we just wanted to have it formally approved on a meeting | |
| 19:23 | it is the usual way | |
| 19:23 | rangi | right, you do need to get the id from somewhere |
| 19:23 | tcohen | when you hit /endpoint |
| 19:24 | you get the objects list | |
| 19:24 | they have the id | |
| 19:24 | kidclamp | I say we can vote and add it, and revisit if needed, but seems reasonable |
| 19:24 | rangi | yeah, we can always change rules :) |
| 19:25 | kidclamp | lemme see if I do this right ;-) |
| 19:25 | #startvote Should we add a coding guideline to ban id fields in post/put/patch bodies for the rest api? | |
| 19:25 | huginn | Begin voting on: Should we add a coding guideline to ban id fields in post/put/patch bodies for the rest api? Valid vote options are Yes, No. |
| 19:25 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 19:25 | kidclamp | #vote yes |
| 19:25 | thd | #vote yes |
| 19:25 | tcohen | #vote yes |
| 19:26 | jirislav | #vote yes |
| 19:26 | rangi | #vote yes |
| 19:26 | josef_moravec | #vote yes |
| 19:26 | bag | #vote yes |
| 19:26 | kidclamp | last call |
| 19:26 | #endvote | |
| 19:26 | huginn | Voted on "Should we add a coding guideline to ban id fields in post/put/patch bodies for the rest api?" Results are |
| 19:27 | kidclamp | heh |
| 19:27 | it didn't list results, but passed | |
| 19:27 | #info vote passed unanimously with 7 yes | |
| 19:27 | :-) | |
| 19:28 | #topic Progress on next release (16.11) | |
| 19:28 | Topic for #koha is now Progress on next release (16.11) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 November 2016) | |
| 19:28 | kidclamp | bag? |
| 19:28 | wahanui | bag is, like, in Seattle currently |
| 19:28 | bag | kyle has shared the release notes |
| 19:28 | tcohen | http://jenkins.theke.io/job/Koha_Master_D8/ |
| 19:28 | bag | looking for comments on it - but no rush - we still have a little bit of time |
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| 19:29 | bag | besides that we’re moving along |
| 19:29 | kidclamp | tomorrow is second draft of release notes (according to deadlines) |
| 19:29 | tcohen | Jonathan has been working hard to fix failing tests / bugs |
| 19:29 | bag | yeah - that may not be nessicary since we haven’t had any feedback |
| 19:29 | but when I say that - I am not sure there is need for feedback yet | |
| 19:29 | kidclamp | Joubu++ |
| 19:29 | bag | yes Joubu++ |
| 19:30 | those patches we’ll push | |
| 19:30 | that’s about it from me kidclamp | |
| 19:30 | kidclamp | #info Joubu working on failing tests |
| 19:30 | tcohen | we have a weird dependency situation |
| 19:30 | for smart people to take a look | |
| 19:31 | Undefined subroutine &C4::Circulation::GetItem | |
| 19:31 | kidclamp | #info bag says things are going well - kyle shared draft 1 of release notes |
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| 19:31 | tcohen | we get those on several tests |
| 19:31 | bug 17591 was the wrong attempt to hide the issue (but solve the side effects) | |
| 19:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17591 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , Use fully qualified C4::Items function names in C4::Circulation |
| 19:31 | kidclamp | yeah, I have seen that happen once or twice on a customer server randomly |
| 19:31 | rangi | hmmm |
| 19:32 | i can try to get time to take a look, but can't promise it | |
| 19:32 | kidclamp | Joubu posted two poc I think too |
| 19:32 | bug 17599 | |
| 19:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17599 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , Move C4::Circulation::GetIssuingRule to Koha::IssuingRules->get_effective_issuing_rule |
| 19:32 | kidclamp | bug 17600 |
| 19:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , Standardize the EXPORT |
| 19:32 | tcohen | we didn't find the root cause |
| 19:33 | kidclamp | #info odd dependency situation causing error: Undefined subroutine &C4::Circulation::GetItem |
| 19:33 | #info tcohen, joubu and other investigating | |
| 19:34 | I think we can move into general dev discussion | |
| 19:34 | tcohen | item-level_itypes set but no itemtype set for item |
| 19:34 | lots of tests are raising that waring | |
| 19:34 | because of a patch I wrote :-D | |
| 19:35 | kidclamp | so you will fix that :-D |
| 19:35 | tcohen | shame on me, I wrote several patches for bugs that fix that |
| 19:35 | Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) | |
| 19:35 | kidclamp | #info Developer documentation (POD) needs to be a QA issue. |
| 19:36 | tcohen | #vote yes |
| 19:36 | kidclamp | anyone have anything to add on that? |
| 19:36 | hah | |
| 19:36 | I agree | |
| 19:37 | shoudl it be coding guidelines? | |
| 19:37 | rangi | yeah, using devel::cover |
| 19:37 | we can test POD coverage | |
| 19:38 | or | |
| 19:38 | tcohen | we could patch the qa script |
| 19:38 | rangi | http://search.cpan.org/~neilb/[…]t/Pod/Coverage.pm |
| 19:38 | thd | Yes, if you want people to do it put it in the guidelines. |
| 19:38 | kidclamp | yeah , I think add it to qa script and guidelines |
| 19:38 | rangi | if coverage decreases, tests fail .. something like that |
| 19:38 | yep | |
| 19:39 | kidclamp | #action POD coverage should be in qa script and a coding guideline added |
| 19:40 | someone want to volunteer? | |
| 19:40 | tcohen | i think absent people gain the right to be volunteered |
| 19:40 | rangi | heh |
| 19:40 | kidclamp | heh |
| 19:41 | tcohen | I'd volunteer Joubu, who mainly maintains the qa scripts |
| 19:41 | kidclamp | #action Joubu (has been) volunteered to update qa script for pod |
| 19:41 | next up is | |
| 19:41 | #info Highlight easy to test bugs for beginners (follow-up) | |
| 19:42 | I had brought this up initially, we discussed adding a way to mark bugs as sndbox testable | |
| 19:42 | etxc | |
| 19:42 | etc | |
| 19:42 | but I think we ended at using Academy to tag low hanging fruit | |
| 19:43 | tcohen | bugs that depend on bug 14598 |
| 19:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14598 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , itemtype is not set on statistics by C4::Circulation::AddReturn |
| 19:43 | rangi | kidclamp: tagging Academy now is really helpful for me too, any that dont get done before then, we can do at the academy in january |
| 19:44 | there is the wiki page i made a while ago too | |
| 19:44 | that needs to be updated | |
| 19:44 | lemme find it | |
| 19:44 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ki/I_want_to_help | |
| 19:44 | kidclamp | #action please tag simple bugs with 'Academy' tag now and year round to help move them along and get people involved |
| 19:44 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ki/I_want_to_help | |
| 19:45 | rangi | we've done the OMGWTFBBQ! one already |
| 19:45 | :) | |
| 19:45 | kidclamp | ranig++ |
| 19:45 | rangi++ | |
| 19:45 | rangi | keeping that page up to date would be good i think, then we can point people at it |
| 19:46 | kidclamp | #action kidclamp will update the wiki page with academy tag info and link |
| 19:47 | * kidclamp | feels less bad about volunteering Joubu now |
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| 19:47 | kidclamp | next point |
| 19:47 | caboose_ | hi all |
| 19:47 | kidclamp | #info Bootstrap 3 upgrade (Bug 16239) and relating UI changes |
| 19:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, Failed QA , Upgrade Bootstrap in the staff client |
| 19:47 | caboose_ | I am new so kind of just lurking at this point |
| 19:47 | with ByWater | |
| 19:48 | rangi | caboose_: we are in a meeting at the moment so a good time to lurk |
| 19:48 | caboose_ | cool! |
| 19:48 | tcohen | have to leave |
| 19:48 | cya! | |
| 19:48 | kidclamp | bye tcohen |
| 19:48 | tcohen | picking Manuel! |
| 19:48 | josef_moravec | I started to work on upgrading bootstrap |
| 19:48 | rangi | ahh yes, we do need to upgrade bootstrap .. i tried that with the academy 2 years ago, it was too hard/big for the 3 days we had |
| 19:48 | caboose_ | #info caboose ByWaterSolutions |
| 19:48 | bag | welcome caboose_ - it’s the koha-dev meeting currently |
| 19:48 | josef_moravec | rangi: as you say ;) |
| 19:49 | caboose_ | ah...sorry I got an email invite to attend...but I think I was invited accidentally! |
| 19:49 | josef_moravec | i have patches and oleonard tested today |
| 19:49 | kidclamp | all are welcome caboose, the more the merrier |
| 19:50 | anything you need josef_moravec? more testing? | |
| 19:50 | rangi | caboose_: everyone is welcome :) |
| 19:50 | caboose_ | nice |
| 19:50 | josef_moravec | yes more testing of course... |
| 19:50 | i would like to make it ready when next release cycle starts | |
| 19:51 | because i think it's almost imposible to push it without mistakes... | |
| 19:51 | kidclamp | #info please test bug 16239 to get it ready for early next release cycle to encourage more testing/debugging |
| 19:51 | josef_moravec | so would like to have enough time to polish it for 17.05 |
| 19:51 | kidclamp | agreed - big bugs often go that way |
| 19:52 | rangi | josef_moravec: i agree, i think push early and tidy it .. too big to get it right first time |
| 19:52 | kidclamp | any highlights of big things it gains us? |
| 19:52 | josef_moravec | after this is pushed i would like to investigate to use bootstrap more... |
| 19:52 | and get rid of yui library hopefully... | |
| 19:53 | kidclamp | I think kyle played with it in his react patches too - bootstrap tables over datatables |
| 19:53 | rangi | i thought we had got rid of all yui stuff already? |
| 19:53 | josef_moravec | we use grids from yui |
| 19:53 | rangi | ahhh |
| 19:54 | josef_moravec | and in rancor modals we use gridos from bootstrap |
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| 19:54 | kidclamp | sounds good, going to keep us moving |
| 19:54 | #info REST API - how to solve "conflicts" in endpoints? For example bugs 17007 and 17371 | |
| 19:54 | cait | sorry, I am late |
| 19:54 | kidclamp | heh - throwing me to the wolves |
| 19:55 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 19:55 | not intentionally :) | |
| 19:55 | thd | grids, fixed sizes :( |
| 19:55 | josef_moravec | these two bugs solves the similer problems, but in a bit different ways... |
| 19:55 | rangi | i've been leaving the REST stuff to others so no opinion on that |
| 19:55 | josef_moravec | thd: exactly |
| 19:56 | kidclamp | yeah, I think we don't have the devs most involved in that here today |
| 19:56 | josef_moravec | we just need to decide which one should pick... |
| 19:56 | kidclamp: it looks like... | |
| 19:56 | cait | bug 17007 |
| 19:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17007 enhancement, P3, ---, mail, Needs Signoff , REST API: add route to get biblio |
| 19:56 | cait | bug 17371 |
| 19:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17371 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , REST API: add CRUD for biblios |
| 19:56 | josef_moravec | thanks cait |
| 19:56 | kidclamp | or to resolve future conflicts too josef_moravec |
| 19:57 | josef_moravec | kidclamp: it would be useful |
| 19:57 | I'm willing to test it.... we really need good REST API | |
| 19:58 | we maybe need more detailed guidelines for API... | |
| 19:58 | kidclamp | tcohen and Joubu proposed a standard at hackfest |
| 19:58 | josef_moravec | for CRUD there is nice example of /cities endpoint |
| 19:58 | kidclamp: | |
| 19:59 | kidclamp | exactly |
| 19:59 | bag | yeah cities is the example |
| 19:59 | josef_moravec | but it's an example when all is simple... |
| 19:59 | which is not always true... | |
| 20:00 | as you can see with these too bugs... | |
| 20:00 | kidclamp | I don't think there can be a blanket rule though, more when conflicts arise they go into discussion/ out on mailing list/ vote at meeting |
| 20:00 | josef_moravec | kidclamp: i agree |
| 20:01 | maybe just more oftem brings these thing to dev meetings... | |
| 20:01 | and vote for one or another, as you say | |
| 20:01 | kidclamp | anyone have differing opinion? |
| 20:01 | josef_moravec | it's all from me now ;) |
| 20:02 | cait | i think having some guidelines and updating the wiki pages for the api dev would be good |
| 20:02 | kidclamp | keep new endpoints up to date in wiki too to avoid conflict? |
| 20:03 | cait | hm not sure, might get out of sync too fast |
| 20:03 | but if someone wants to try, sure | |
| 20:03 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ki/Rest_Api_HowTo | |
| 20:03 | kidclamp | I think we need input from those who have been working on it too |
| 20:03 | josef_moravec | kidclamp: as proposals? because there are many endpoint in patches in bugzilla, but just few in master code... |
| 20:04 | jirislav | well, i think bug 17007 and bug 17371 should be merged - they aren't that different |
| 20:04 | josef_moravec | kidclamp: sure |
| 20:04 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17007 enhancement, P3, ---, mail, Needs Signoff , REST API: add route to get biblio |
| 20:04 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17371 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , REST API: add CRUD for biblios | |
| 20:04 | kidclamp | yeah, just a thought for proposals |
| 20:04 | josef_moravec | jirislav: do you try it? |
| 20:05 | kidclamp | #info REST api conflicts should be brough up in bugzilla/posted to koha-devel/discussed at dev meeting |
| 20:06 | #action Someone involved in REST api should update 'how to' wiki and note guidelines on conflicts and cities endpoint as base example | |
| 20:06 | jirislav | i could, but it seems like 17007 is in the subset of 17371, so it could eventually be marked as duplicate (17007) |
| 20:07 | kidclamp | yeah, 17371 is all crud, 17001 is just get? |
| 20:07 | jirislav | kidclamp: right |
| 20:07 | kidclamp | #info 17007 seems to be a subset of 17371 and should be merged |
| 20:08 | want to comment on bugs jirislav? | |
| 20:08 | jirislav | sure thing |
| 20:08 | kidclamp | cool, next topic |
| 20:08 | #topic Updates from the QA team | |
| 20:08 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 November 2016) | |
| 20:08 | kidclamp | take it away cait :-) |
| 20:09 | cait | oh |
| 20:09 | there are some problems with failing tests | |
| 20:10 | so please sign off on those and generally focus on bug fixes for a bit :) | |
| 20:10 | kidclamp | #info please focus on bug fixes for the next release |
| 20:10 | cait | i hope i don't repeat something already said |
| 20:11 | testing master, testing updates etc. | |
| 20:11 | I have the list of critical and blocker bugs linked from the agenda | |
| 20:12 | #link https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]n=run&sharer_id=1 List of critical and blocker bugs | |
| 20:12 | kidclamp | #link https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]20NOW&sharer_id=1 |
| 20:12 | cait | :) |
| 20:12 | kidclamp | ah, link name :-) |
| 20:12 | cait | 2 blockers especially - one breaks the OPAC if you allow renewals |
| 20:13 | bug 17522 | |
| 20:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17522 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle, In Discussion , opac-user.pl gives error of OpacRenewalAllowed is enabled |
| 20:13 | cait | bug 16430 |
| 20:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16430 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Mainpage.pl dies if library is not set |
| 20:13 | rangi | ah yeah that one is nasty |
| 20:14 | cait | so yeah, lots to do to make this release shine - please help :) |
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| 20:14 | jransom | hi all |
| 20:14 | kidclamp | #info review critical bugs 17522 and 16340 especially :-) |
| 20:14 | cait | that's all from me |
| 20:14 | kidclamp | tcohen already mentioned CI updates |
| 20:15 | josef_moravec | jransom: hi ;) |
| 20:15 | kidclamp | #topic Koha and Qvarn - http://qvarn.org/ |
| 20:15 | Topic for #koha is now Koha and Qvarn - http://qvarn.org/ (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 November 2016) | |
| 20:15 | kidclamp | thanks cait! |
| 20:15 | rangi | right, so have people had a chance to have a quick look at Qvarn? |
| 20:16 | kidclamp | very briefly looked at site |
| 20:17 | rangi | so basically |
| 20:17 | Koha stores a lot of sensitive information | |
| 20:17 | about people, and their reading habits | |
| 20:18 | the EU has a new act General Data Protection Regulation (which is in transition until the end of the next year) | |
| 20:18 | says that anyone deploying systems has to take care that none of this could leak | |
| 20:18 | (also its just good to do that in general) | |
| 20:18 | Qvan can act as a data store and IDP | |
| 20:19 | it has restful https json api | |
| 20:19 | so it would allow us to store patron data in qvarn, instead of in raw tables | |
| 20:20 | this is all just stuff to think about at this point | |
| 20:20 | but I do think it is worth considering | |
| 20:20 | kidclamp | so, things like borrowers/issues/statistics would move out of native db? what would it mean for reporting? |
| 20:21 | jirislav | okay, so if we decide to use qvarn, what would be left in koha database? i mean .. all of the information related to user would have to be accessed via rest api instead of just mysql socket? |
| 20:22 | thd | Is there a Qvarn process for particular users to have data removed as should be required by law in EU or even alter and augment it? |
| 20:22 | rangi | jirislav: yup |
| 20:22 | jirislav | wouldn't that be a preformance issue? |
| 20:22 | rangi | potentially |
| 20:22 | or it might be faster | |
| 20:22 | jirislav | that's right, if it's scaled properly, it could be even faster than SQL |
| 20:22 | cait | i think you can keep what can't be linked to a person - if it's anonymous? |
| 20:22 | wizzyrea | hi |
| 20:22 | wahanui | hola, wizzyrea |
| 20:22 | rangi | yep |
| 20:23 | wizzyrea | #info Liz Rea, Catalyst NZ |
| 20:23 | jirislav | cait: this is just statistics & configuration .. or anything more? |
| 20:23 | rangi | like i said, nothing to decide now, but something to research and think about, even if we dont go with qvarn we need to work on making koha more secure around private data |
| 20:23 | liw works at qvarnlabs and would be happy to discuss more i am sure | |
| 20:24 | kidclamp | I think it is interesting |
| 20:24 | josef_moravec | it all sounds interesting.... |
| 20:24 | rangi | i like the IDP part of it too |
| 20:25 | cait | jirislav: not sure exactly, storing a borrowrnumber alone might be ok |
| 20:25 | ? | |
| 20:25 | rangi? | |
| 20:25 | wahanui | I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! |
| 20:25 | kidclamp | maybe liw wants to send out some basic info to listserv, or you rangi? |
| 20:25 | josef_moravec | it would be better to use solution like this than write something own... |
| 20:25 | kidclamp | wahanui: botsnack |
| 20:25 | wahanui | :) |
| 20:25 | rangi | kidclamp: yep one of us will |
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| 20:26 | thd | There should always be some means to change or remove data held in accordance with legal requirements and library policy even if pseudo-anonymised. |
| 20:26 | kidclamp | #action rangi or liw will post some qvarn info to listservs |
| 20:26 | jirislav | cait: oh, interesting point of view .. borrowernumber actually isn't an identifier which can be treated as an anonymous person |
| 20:26 | *is an identifier .. | |
| 20:27 | kidclamp | approaching 90 minutes I think we can keep that discussion going outside of meeting |
| 20:27 | jirislav | which means qvarn would only store personal data like name, surname etc ... with connection to bornumber |
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| 20:28 | thd | Behaviour generally unmasks anonymisation. |
| 20:28 | rangi | lets move on :) |
| 20:28 | kidclamp | #topic Set time of next meeting |
| 20:28 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 November 2016) | |
| 20:28 | rangi | theres hours of discussion about privacy :) we can have that another time :) |
| 20:28 | kidclamp | do we have a two times set now from survey? |
| 20:29 | heh, it's good discussion to have | |
| 20:30 | it looks like 13 UTC was most popular? | |
| 20:31 | thd | Very much better than the present time. |
| 20:31 | cait | 10 and 19 where the last 2 meetings |
| 20:31 | hm were | |
| 20:31 | kidclamp | 13 works for me |
| 20:31 | cait | hm today is 14 |
| 20:32 | ah sorry, no, that's next general | |
| 20:32 | * cait | will be quiet |
| 20:32 | thd | 14 is problematic for me where 13 is less so. |
| 20:32 | kidclamp | no worries, two weeks out is day after release? |
| 20:32 | rangi | just fyi |
| 20:33 | ill never be at a 13 UTC one | |
| 20:33 | kidclamp | if we want to meet then |
| 20:33 | heh | |
| 20:33 | rangi | not that that should stop you |
| 20:33 | (its 2am nz time) | |
| 20:33 | kidclamp | so when we stage the revolt, it should be at 13UTC? |
| 20:34 | thd | I much prefer morning UTC time. |
| 20:34 | kidclamp | alright I am suggesting Dec 14 - 13 UTC? |
| 20:35 | cait | ok for me |
| 20:36 | kidclamp | #info Next meeting December 14th, 13 UTC |
| 20:36 | * kidclamp | takes that opportunity |
| 20:36 | kidclamp | #endmeeting |
| 20:36 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the #koha IRC chat | Code of conduct - https://koha-community.org/abo[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 20:36 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Nov 9 20:36:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 20:36 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-11-09-19.03.html | |
| 20:36 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]6-11-09-19.03.txt | |
| 20:36 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]09-19.03.log.html | |
| 20:36 | kidclamp | thank you #koha |
| 20:38 | thd | The analysis of the meeting schedule preference survey has taken too much of an all or nothing approach to meeting times. |
| 20:41 | kidclamp | I think the best solution is we all rent an apartment together |
| 20:41 | * kidclamp | is happy to relocate to another country |
| 20:41 | rangi | i have a big section, you can build a koha retreat up the back of our house |
| 20:42 | wizzyrea | I don't own mine but you could probably get a tent up there. |
| 20:42 | kidclamp | so next kohacon in NZ we all come and stay forever |
| 20:43 | bag: get work started on the bywater NZ complex | |
| 20:43 | eythian | If wizzyrea hadn't moved, there would have been a small forest up behind her house |
| 20:44 | wizzyrea | true. The current place has 2 lower terraces, and 2 upper terraces (and the one where the house is) |
| 20:44 | rangi | https://www.qzzr.com/c/quiz/27[…]ovingtonewzealand :) |
| 20:45 | i only got 4/7 | |
| 20:47 | in good news .. because lets face it, there's a crapton of bad news. nz secret santa starts today too https://nzsecretsanta.nzpost.co.nz/ | |
| 20:47 | and now i will go submit some patches | |
| 20:47 | * wizzyrea | goes to sign up |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | bah later! |
| 20:48 | eythian | 2/7, remind me not to return via the US |
| 20:48 | wizzyrea | there's no really good way for you to get here from there |
| 20:50 | eythian | No. Asia had better airports. |
| 20:50 | Has | |
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| 20:51 | wizzyrea | I just meant it's a long trip either way |
| 20:51 | American airports are crap. | |
| 20:52 | * cait | avoided america when she went, it works |
| 20:53 | rangi | singapore is a good airport |
| 20:53 | i try to go through it where i can | |
| 20:53 | cait | i tihnk mine was... bangkok? coudl that be? |
| 20:54 | rangi | yep |
| 20:54 | cait | i was mostly a zombie by then |
| 20:54 | rangi | HK, bangkok, singapore |
| 20:54 | shanghai | |
| 20:54 | eythian | Singapore is fine, been there a goodly number of times. |
| 20:55 | Think last time I did KL via Brisbane | |
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| 21:28 | tcohen | hi |
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| 21:36 | tcohen1 | am i online? |
| 21:37 | rangi | yes |
| 21:41 | tcohen1 | thx |
| 22:14 | thd | rangi: We need to find perhaps two times from the meeting times popularity survey and be much in the same position as we had been before the survey. |
| 22:20 | dcook | meeting times popularity survey? |
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| 22:24 | tcohen | hi dcook |
| 22:24 | thd | dcook: I am looking for the link now. |
| 22:25 | dcook | heya tcohen |
| 22:26 | I guess 13 UTC is 9.5 hours ago? | |
| 22:27 | Oh well | |
| 22:27 | tcohen | 19 UTC |
| 22:30 | dcook | Hmm? |
| 22:30 | 3.5 hours ago... sleep :D | |
| 22:31 | Speaking of sleep, how are things with the young one, tcohen? | |
| 22:32 | thd | dcook: https://framadate.org/3dAEB8zqQLzzTptD |
| 22:35 | dcook | thd: That's cool. Cheers. |
| 22:40 | Interesting... the internet and my computer disagree on AEST->UTC conversions.. | |
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| 22:45 | * andreashm | waves |
| 22:46 | * dcook | waves |
| 22:46 | andreashm | hi dcook! |
| 22:46 | dcook | hey andreashm :) |
| 22:46 | Haven't been synchronous in ages! | |
| 22:46 | andreashm | Yeah, I know! |
| 22:47 | How is everything? Kiddo doing alright? | |
| 22:47 | dcook | Oh, we were all sick for a bit. I'm still in the middle of it, but I think kiddo is mostly fine now. |
| 22:47 | andreashm | Sent you and e-mail a few hours ago btw, but sure you saw that already. |
| 22:47 | dcook | Going to read it in just a couple of minutes :) |
| 22:47 | andreashm | Ouch. I hat being sick. |
| 22:48 | dcook | It's certainly not fun. We've been lucky not to get sick much in this first year |
| 22:48 | In 9 months, I think it's only the second time, so can't complain too much | |
| 22:48 | My nephews seem to get sick all the time | |
| 22:48 | andreashm | Or for the kids to be. This autumn has been pretty terrible with that.... constantly one or the other being sick. Sigh. |
| 22:50 | Good that you've managed to stay away from most of it! Just wait 'til he grows old enough to start interacting with other kids. that when the fun times begin (in regards to getting sick) | |
| 22:51 | dcook | Hehe. Yeah, I've been thinking about that. |
| 22:51 | We have quite a few friends with kids now, so I wonder sometimes if that's where this latest bug has come from | |
| 22:51 | I thought I brought it home, but since I'm the last one to get better... I'm guessing not | |
| 22:52 | andreashm | we'll you never really know. just got to roll with it. |
| 22:52 | well | |
| 22:53 | * andreashm | reads the log. Seems like I missed yet another meeting. |
| 22:54 | dcook | me too |
| 22:56 | liw | me too (was travelling) |
| 22:57 | * cait | missed most of it too |
| 22:58 | * liw | has checked minutes and will be mailing about qvarn to the list |
| 22:58 | andreashm | I have basically no idea what qvarn is, but it sounds interesting/promising! |
| 22:58 | hi cait and liw btw | |
| 23:00 | reiveune | bye |
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| 23:02 | * andreashm | is happy to see progress on the REST API |
| 23:04 | andreashm | and Kohadevbox! |
| 23:04 | wahanui | kohadevbox is at https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox |
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