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| 04:44 | irma | hi mtj |
| 04:44 | :-) | |
| 04:45 | we spoke about you this morning at a meeting with a new staff member of the Catalyst IT Melbourne office | |
| 04:45 | Donna Benjamin | |
| 04:46 | We know Donna from many years ago she is a Drupal and OSS true and through person | |
| 04:46 | mtj | hiya irma |
| 04:46 | irma | * I wave back |
| 04:46 | mtj | worng channel? :0) |
| 04:46 | * mtj | waves |
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| 05:02 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 05:11 | * magnuse | is an early bird, getting all the worms |
| 05:11 | dcook | hehe |
| 05:15 | * liw | gives magnuse a large bottle of ketchup |
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| 05:28 | * magnuse | enjoys the worms even more with ketchup |
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| 05:32 | cait | magnuse: you eat strange breakfast :) |
| 05:33 | magnuse | whut? noooo... |
| 05:35 | dcook | Proootein |
| 06:00 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 06:00 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (7:50 AM CEST on September 07, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:00 | magnuse | s/Light Rain/Raining Cats and Dogs/ |
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| 06:10 | drojf | morning #koha |
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| 06:30 | magnuse | kia ora drojf and sophie_m |
| 06:30 | sophie_m | hello magnuse :) |
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| 06:35 | akawa | morning #koha! |
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| 06:40 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:40 | wahanui | kia ora, alex_a |
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| 06:47 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:12 | * cait | waves |
| 07:15 | * magnuse | yawns |
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| 07:26 | fridolin | hie |
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| 07:49 | LibraryClaire | morning #koha |
| 07:49 | drojf | hi LibraryClaire |
| 07:49 | LibraryClaire | hi drojf |
| 07:53 | Joubu | wt* bug 14695 is pushed to master but still NSO?? |
| 07:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14695 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Add ability to place multiple item holds on a given record per patron |
| 07:54 | Joubu | @later tell khall 14695 is pushed to master but still NSO, is it expected? Moreover the atomicupdate file has not been removed |
| 07:54 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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| 08:05 | rangi | whoa thats odd |
| 08:10 | drojf | strange. maybe it was a typo? |
| 08:11 | rangi | yeah looks like pushed wrong branch maybe, im sure he will sort it out |
| 08:22 | drojf | later #koha |
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| 09:24 | drojf | hi again |
| 09:50 | @wunder berlin, germany | |
| 09:50 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 21.0°C (11:20 AM CEST on September 07, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:50 | drojf | @seen marcelr |
| 09:50 | huginn | drojf: marcelr was last seen in #koha 5 days, 1 hour, 45 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <marcelr> goedemorgen eythian |
| 09:52 | LibraryClaire | @wunder LCY |
| 09:52 | huginn | LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City Airport, London, United Kingdom is 21.4°C (10:46 AM BST on September 07, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
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| 09:55 | magnuse | wow, everyone still has summer temps |
| 09:55 | @wunder boo | |
| 09:55 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (11:20 AM CEST on September 07, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Rising). |
| 09:59 | drojf | that is summer temp for norway i guess? |
| 09:59 | we're supposed to get 26 today and 29 tomorrow | |
| 10:32 | Joubu | @later tell oleonard could you have a look at bug 17220 |
| 10:32 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:04 | drojf | @later tell marcelr why is the owner of an uploaded file part of the hash calculation? wouldn't we want a file to be detected as the same regardless of who uploads it? |
| 11:04 | huginn | drojf: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:08 | cait | bbl |
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| 11:10 | magnuse | drojf: there are summers where that might be considered a good temperature, but we have certainly seen higher this year |
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| 11:34 | Joubu | @later tell tcohen Letters.t and ES/Indexer.t are failing for master, 16.05 but pass for me |
| 11:34 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:34 | magnuse | oops, don't call your instance "data" if you plan to run koha-dump-defaults on it... |
| 11:37 | drojf | magnuse: what happened? |
| 11:38 | magnuse | you get a lot of "-- Dumping __KOHASITE__ for table `zebraqueue`" |
| 11:38 | which i realise now is just a comment of course | |
| 11:39 | but the problem is koha-dump-defaults replaces every occurence of the instance name | |
| 11:39 | whether it is in the contents of a database table or whatever | |
| 11:40 | drojf | err. that sounds scary |
| 11:40 | magnuse | e.g. 'Edit catalog (Modify bibliographic/holdings __KOHASITE__)' |
| 11:40 | yeah, not good | |
| 11:41 | drojf | to be honest, i did not even know that command exists |
| 11:41 | i did it with a script when i needed it | |
| 11:41 | magnuse | hehe, probably not the most used script |
| 11:42 | drojf | i will definitely have use for it |
| 11:42 | magnuse | when i replace __KOHASITE__ with "data" it says there are 7235 occurences of __KOHASITE__ |
| 11:42 | i'll report the bug | |
| 11:42 | drojf | lol |
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| 11:45 | drojf | shouldn't that replace koha_data instead of just data? |
| 11:45 | or koha-data | |
| 11:45 | *gets confused* | |
| 11:48 | magnuse | yeah, that should fix it, i think |
| 11:48 | drojf | ok but then you must be the first person ever to use that script :D |
| 11:49 | Joubu | khall: ping? |
| 11:49 | wahanui | Using deft allegory, the authors have provided an insightful and intuitive explanation of one of Unix's most venerable networking utilities. http://www.amazon.com/Story-ab[…]oks/dp/0448421658 |
| 11:50 | drojf | lol wahanui |
| 11:50 | wahanui: botsnack cookie | |
| 11:50 | wahanui | thanks drojf :) |
| 11:51 | magnuse | nah, if you use something more pregnant than data you'll never notice |
| 11:51 | oh, here is why the number is so high: <__KOHASITE__field> in biblioitems.marcxml | |
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| 11:51 | drojf | like 'koha', which is probably the most used instance namen? ;) |
| 11:52 | *name | |
| 11:52 | ah heh | |
| 11:52 | magnuse | that might create some interesting variants too, i guess |
| 11:53 | drojf | looks like i can batch "upload" files now. yay! |
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| 11:54 | oleonard | Hi all |
| 11:54 | drojf | hi oleonard |
| 11:54 | wahanui | hi olé onard |
| 11:54 | magnuse | bug 17265 |
| 11:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17265 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Make koha-create-defaults less greedy |
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| 11:56 | * oleonard | pictures a series of bugs for addressing koha-create-defaults and the rest of the 7 deadly sins |
| 11:57 | magnuse | Make koha-create-defaults less slothful |
| 11:57 | slothy? | |
| 11:59 | oleonard | It doesn't come up much in conversation, but I think slothful sounds right. |
| 11:59 | drojf | slothesque |
| 11:59 | oleonard | slothish |
| 11:59 | kidclamp | slothed-out? |
| 11:59 | morning | |
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| 12:32 | tcohen | bonjour |
| 12:36 | Joubu: I wasn't aware of 11921, at all! | |
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| 12:37 | LibraryClaire | hi tcohen, oleopard, kidclamp |
| 12:37 | tcohen | hi #koha |
| 12:37 | kidclamp | hi LibraryClaire |
| 12:42 | magnuse | bug 11921 |
| 12:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11921 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , memcached configuration should be moved back to koha-conf.xml |
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| 12:56 | khall | mornin all! |
| 12:57 | tcohen | hi khall! |
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| 13:01 | drojf | @later tell marcelr if i delete the owner of a file, what are the consequences? |
| 13:01 | huginn | drojf: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:01 | LibraryClaire | hi khall |
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| 13:18 | drojf | @later tell marcelr i found 14849 regarding the second question |
| 13:18 | huginn | drojf: The operation succeeded. |
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| 13:27 | drojf | bye #koha |
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| 14:31 | oleonard | The title of Bug 17264 represents the kind of bug reports I typically get from my staff. They're not good with subject lines. |
| 14:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17264 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aruna.bukkaraju, RESOLVED FIXED, not |
| 14:31 | oleonard | If we had an internal bug tracker all the bugs would be titled "Koha" |
| 14:32 | LibraryClaire | :D |
| 14:33 | all mine are URGENT! | |
| 14:38 | Joubu | khall: quick code review done on 14695 |
| 14:49 | khall | Joubu: thanks! I'll take a look! |
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| 15:44 | kidclamp | hah oleonard - just looked at the bug |
| 15:47 | CrispyBran | I like bug 17264. It's simple and to the point. If only ALL bugs were that easy. |
| 15:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17264 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aruna.bukkaraju, RESOLVED FIXED, not |
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| 15:56 | ammo | afternoon all |
| 15:59 | tcohen | hi |
| 16:16 | ammo | I was wondering if anyone ever tried importing serial issues in to Koha |
| 16:17 | I got the process of importing biblios (with respective items), patrons and authorities all figured out and done | |
| 16:18 | However I still am finding trouble designing a way to actually import serial issues, haven't found any reliable way of doing it | |
| 16:19 | My problem is pretty much the same as Paul in http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]ls-td4264662.html where importing as items is not an option as it would overflow the number of items for a said serial | |
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| 16:20 | ammo | also importing every issue as a record would overly populate the record index with irrelevant data |
| 16:30 | kidclamp | ammo, so the issue is not enough room in an item record to store all of the info you want for each issue of a serial? |
| 16:33 | the last email in that thread seems to be relevant - I was going to suggest analytical records | |
| 16:51 | ammo | hello kidclamp |
| 16:51 | thank you for replying | |
| 16:52 | indeed that seems to me a plausible way of handling it | |
| 16:53 | I still need to take a closer look at the source data but take a newspaper for example, with periodicy of daily that has been active for the last 50 years | |
| 16:53 | its crazy the ammount of data it would ocupy in the overall catalog | |
| 16:55 | kidclamp | yeah, MARC doesn't really fit well with that level of detail it seems |
| 16:59 | oleonard | Ugh, more Bugzilla spam. |
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| 18:20 | tcohen | later #koha |
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| 18:54 | cait | irc meeting is in an hour! |
| 18:54 | nuentoter | so finally server is up and running, all my patrons, all my records, and all my circulation data is in. |
| 18:54 | cait | congrats! |
| 18:54 | so next step is adding your library to the wiki? ;) | |
| 18:55 | nuentoter | i go to start cataloguing, no problem, my framework works well. then i got o print labels.......... and after printing the label, when scanned there is a raiming check letter at the end hmmmppphhhh |
| 18:55 | We will be added to the wiki when things are officially online | |
| 18:58 | cait | raiming check letter? |
| 19:00 | nuentoter | remaining lol |
| 19:01 | im using glabels right now, and it works great, on the printed label it will say "*36214*" but when scanned it enters 36214K on the search line, which brings no book up | |
| 19:05 | cait | odd |
| 19:06 | CrispyBran_RefDesk | nuentoter, could be a scanner issue. Our scanners come with a book that allow you to change the way it enters information. Perhaps the scanners need to be reconfigured. |
| 19:06 | nuentoter, what scanner do you use? | |
| 19:07 | nuentoter | hmmmm its our old one i pulled out of a filing cabinet lol, i'll find a manual online. its an "E-sky" is all it says on it |
| 19:11 | CrispyBran_RefDesk | Hmmmm....I can find some "esky" scanners, but not "E-sky". Either way, not finding any manuals online so far. No model number? |
| 19:16 | nuentoter | i found the manual in a different filing cabinet lol the manual is in english but not written by someone english speaking |
| 19:16 | should be fun HAhaha | |
| 19:17 | CrispyBran_RefDesk | Good. Basically, if it programs by scanning barcodes, you want to find a setting that will make it scan with just the numbers expected and CR at the end (as if pressing enter). |
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| 19:26 | magnuse | kia ora andreashm |
| 19:26 | andreashm | hi magnuse |
| 19:27 | whats up? | |
| 19:34 | magnuse | andreashm: not much, running out of battery soon |
| 19:36 | have fun #koha! | |
| 19:37 | * cait | waves |
| 19:43 | nuentoter_ | ok so after trying out 2 other scanners, the check letter still remains. |
| 19:44 | andreashm | hi cait |
| 19:46 | nuentoter_ | question then, if i am exporting my list of newly catalogued books using a report, and then using glabels to print, what is creating the check letter at the end? is it koha or glabels? |
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| 19:49 | nuentoter_ | i missed a checkbox on glabels! i fixed it which makes me super librarian of the day right? |
| 19:50 | barton | nuentoter_: at the very least it gets you some karma... |
| 19:50 | nuentoter++ | |
| 19:50 | nuentoter_ | lol ty |
| 19:51 | barton | kidclamp: you're *the* bbiab? wow... |
| 19:51 | I didn't know that I was in the presence of greatness... | |
| 19:51 | kidclamp | hah |
| 19:52 | * kidclamp | is the victim of too much excercise - not responsible for typos |
| 19:52 | phred | If you want to be superlibrarian, you'll need a cape. |
| 19:52 | * cait | still waits for hers |
| 19:52 | cait | we should totally have not only koha onesies but capes too :) |
| 19:53 | brb for the meeting | |
| 19:53 | phred | (Just finished setting up fail2ban after looking at my log files. Feeling a bit loopy.) |
| 19:53 | * barton | ponders the idea of having the superlibrarian check-box play the "Mighty Mouse Will Save The Day" theme-song when clicked. |
| 19:53 | phred | Or when a superlibrarian logs in. I like it!! |
| 19:54 | barton | phred: I think that plays pink flloyd's 'Welcome to the machine'. |
| 19:56 | * barton | /names |
| 19:56 | phred | I used to have my lab computers configured to say "I have seen this kind of thing happen before, and it has always been due to human error" when Windows crashed. Very few people got the joke. |
| 19:56 | barton | woops |
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| 19:58 | rangi | morning |
| 19:59 | barton | g'day rangi! |
| 20:00 | cait | ok people :) |
| 20:00 | time to have a meeting! | |
| 20:00 | #startmeeting General IRC meeting 7 September 2016 | |
| 20:00 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Sep 7 20:00:45 2016 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 20:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 20:00 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 September 2016) | |
| 20:00 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_7_september_2016' |
| 20:00 | cait | #topic Introductions |
| 20:00 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 20:00 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 September 2016) | |
| 20:01 | cait | please introduce yourself with #info following wahanui's example! |
| 20:01 | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany | |
| 20:01 | barton | #info Barton Chittenden, bywater, Lousiville KY, US. |
| 20:01 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 20:01 | rangi | #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst, Wellington NZ |
| 20:01 | phred | #info Fred King, Washington, DC (and Koha-US member-at-large) |
| 20:01 | bag | #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions Portland Oregon |
| 20:03 | cait | moving on? |
| 20:03 | #topic Announcements | |
| 20:03 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 September 2016) | |
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| 20:03 | cait | ah |
| 20:03 | more people arriving | |
| 20:04 | please feel free to #info yourself | |
| 20:04 | BobB | #info Bob Birchall, Calyx |
| 20:04 | cait | bag: any announcements? |
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| 20:04 | bag | no announcements |
| 20:04 | tubaclarinet | #info Christopher Davis, Uintah County Library (U.S.A.) |
| 20:05 | drojf | #info Mirko Tietgen, half asleep |
| 20:05 | cait | #info apologies from oleonard |
| 20:05 | anyone else any announcements? | |
| 20:05 | ok, moving on! | |
| 20:05 | #topic Update on releases | |
| 20:05 | Topic for #koha is now Update on releases (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 September 2016) | |
| 20:06 | cait | i see bag, any RMaints present? |
| 20:06 | rangi? | |
| 20:06 | wahanui | I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! |
| 20:06 | cait | bag? |
| 20:06 | rangi | yep |
| 20:06 | business as usual | |
| 20:07 | for 3.20.x I am only doing major/criticals (or really annoying bugs) and security fixes now | |
| 20:08 | cait | #info 3.20.x - only major/criticals (or really annoying bugs) and security fixes now |
| 20:08 | thx | |
| 20:08 | bag anything on 16.11? | |
| 20:08 | bag | not at the moment |
| 20:09 | cait | ok, moving on |
| 20:09 | #topic GBSD | |
| 20:09 | Topic for #koha is now GBSD (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 September 2016) | |
| 20:09 | cait | in case you haven't heard yet, we have a GBSD scheduled for 9 September |
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| 20:09 | cait | please participate - every little bit helps |
| 20:10 | I am trying to collect some 'action items' on the wiki page | |
| 20:10 | if you have any ideas, please tell me or add them there directly | |
| 20:10 | schnydszch_ | #info Eugene Espinoza Philippines |
| 20:10 | cait | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]bug_squashing_day |
| 20:11 | barton | can someone remind me how to tag something as an 'easy to test' bug is in bugzilla? |
| 20:11 | cait | i think kidclamp wanted to work out a concept for new keywords :) |
| 20:11 | we talked about it at the last dev meeting | |
| 20:11 | I think we could possibly use Academy right now | |
| 20:11 | rangi? | |
| 20:11 | wahanui | I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! |
| 20:11 | rangi | yeah you can |
| 20:12 | cait | rangi: when is the next Academy, not too soon? |
| 20:13 | BobB | I think its January, cait |
| 20:13 | cait | ok, so hopefully not interfering until we have a new keyword |
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| 20:14 | cait | ok, moving on? |
| 20:14 | #topic KohaCon17 | |
| 20:14 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon17 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 September 2016) | |
| 20:14 | rangi | this one is for schnydszch_ :) |
| 20:14 | cait | #info KohaCon17 goes to... Philippines! (already announced on the mailing list) |
| 20:14 | osjerwyn | hello |
| 20:14 | cait | and osjerwyn |
| 20:14 | osjerwyn | Jerwyn Fernandez Philippimes |
| 20:15 | just woke up | |
| 20:15 | BobB | I know :) |
| 20:15 | cait | any update on kohacon17? :) |
| 20:15 | osjerwyn | yes! |
| 20:16 | did schnydszch mentioned something already? | |
| 20:16 | rangi | nope |
| 20:17 | cait | it looks a bit like he maybe has problems with connection |
| 20:17 | phred | Has anyone tried to do a live webcast from KohaCon? Could it happen this time? |
| 20:17 | osjerwyn | I'll jusr eco what we discussed |
| 20:17 | We are asking this early the koha community to register in a google form the group will be creating if they have plans of attending KohaCon 2017 in the Philippines. Even if you are only 1% sure, please register in the form so that the group will know (there will be a field on the percentage of how sure an attendee will be attending). Since we will be limiting it to 300 (local and international), it’s important that those who have plans register | |
| 20:17 | rangi | phred: it happened in greece |
| 20:18 | drojf | phred: err the whole kohacon this year was streamed |
| 20:18 | osjerwyn | The organizing committee this early wants to inform the Koha Community that we will have a minimal registration fee because if we make it free, local participants may take the opportunity and that the conference might exceed the 300 limit - we’re thinking of maximum of 100$. |
| 20:18 | drojf | oh too late |
| 20:18 | rangi | :) |
| 20:18 | osjerwyn | There are also other factors that we foresee it might hit the 300 limit like there are local participants even though it’s already indicated in the website and Facebook page that the conference does not accept walk-ins, there are still who does not follow. |
| 20:18 | This is the reason why this early we are asking the international Koha community to register in the Google Form because the organizing committee has decided to make the first 100 registrants to not pay for registration fee. | |
| 20:19 | rangi | what are the dates? |
| 20:19 | wahanui | the dates are in format yyyy-mm-dd |
| 20:19 | rangi | i dont think anyone can register without set dates |
| 20:19 | osjerwyn | oh |
| 20:19 | wait | |
| 20:19 | i have the dates! | |
| 20:19 | nuentoter_ | #info Justin Martin Abel J. Morneault Memorial Library, Van Buren, Me, USA |
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| 20:20 | drojf | why do you not want locals to participate? or maybe i misunderstand |
| 20:21 | osjerwyn | wait a sec June 5-9 or June 12-16 I look for my notes |
| 20:21 | cait | the kohacon has traditionally been a free event - i think 100 might be a lot to some |
| 20:22 | thd | drojf: My charitable understanding is they do not want to be in a position to have no room to accommodate people travelling from far away. |
| 20:22 | cait | also handling such a registration fee internationally might get hard |
| 20:22 | BobB | an alternative would be to reserve a fixed # of places for overseas participants, say 50 |
| 20:22 | rangi | it would also be very unlikely you would get 100 people not from the Phillippines |
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| 20:22 | rangi | 50 seems much more realistic like BobB said |
| 20:22 | cait | and maybe have a deadline... and then fill it up with local people? |
| 20:22 | rangi | *nod* |
| 20:23 | reserved spaces is a good idea | |
| 20:23 | schnydszch | #info Eugene Espinoza |
| 20:23 | nuentoter_ | cait: that sounds like a much better idea |
| 20:23 | BobB | and if unused you could release them to locals near the date |
| 20:23 | cait | yep, BobB phrased it better |
| 20:23 | osjerwyn | Eugene! |
| 20:23 | BobB | oops, sorry, cait |
| 20:23 | schnydszch | Juat wike up and cannot startul laptop properly without waking up the family |
| 20:23 | osjerwyn | what is the date? |
| 20:23 | wahanui | the date is circled ;) |
| 20:23 | osjerwyn | June 5-9 or June 12-16 |
| 20:24 | cait | BobB: no, thx! :) |
| 20:24 | thd | osjerwyn: Any idea which solves the issue of places for people from far away without needing to charge anyone a fee would be much better than a fee. |
| 20:24 | schnydszch | I'm onnmy phone, on my bed. Well ajerwyn is there |
| 20:25 | nuentoter_ | what would the fee be paying for? |
| 20:25 | osjerwyn | actually thats for the food |
| 20:26 | schnydszch | That's the plan not charging up on foreign participants hence the d3cember deadline to register. |
| 20:26 | cait | do you plan on providing lunch with the conf? |
| 20:26 | osjerwyn | yes |
| 20:26 | schnydszch | The museum so far is actually not free |
| 20:26 | cait | of course |
| 20:26 | schnydszch | The location is not free so far |
| 20:27 | drojf | the proposal clearly said no fee. otherwise it may have been rejected. i have concerns about it to be honest |
| 20:27 | rangi | yep, normally sponsorship is sought to cover costs |
| 20:27 | cait | maybe it would be good to get a call to sponsors out early |
| 20:27 | osjerwyn | we are thinking lunch and snacks what di usually prefer? |
| 20:27 | drojf | what rangi and cait say |
| 20:27 | schnydszch | And yeah we are calling sponsors as of this momebt, formal letters to follow |
| 20:28 | nuentoter_ | Yes, you cannot move forward in any financial respect, if you do not know what your costs will be. You do not know the costs until sponsors line up and sign something |
| 20:28 | thd | osjerwyn: Have efforts been taken to find sponsors even sponsors unrelated to Koha who might help defray costs. |
| 20:28 | osjerwyn | yes we will! |
| 20:29 | schnydszch | As you can see we have partnered with a local organization since we are only volunteers in order to have some legal entity to ask for sponsorship |
| 20:29 | cait | i think it might be early for registrations - call for sponsors, call for papers... and thing smight line up financially before you ask for registrations |
| 20:29 | osjerwyn | it just so happen last month that we won the bid |
| 20:29 | BobB | in my opinion any fee should be absolutely minimised, so as not to exclude local participants in particular |
| 20:30 | seek sponsorship first | |
| 20:30 | thd | osjerwyn: Just so it should be premature to assume undefrayed expenses. |
| 20:30 | rangi | i agree with BobB |
| 20:30 | osjerwyn | we are working on with the sponsors currently |
| 20:31 | do kohacon has international sponsors from the past? like EBSCO? | |
| 20:31 | cait | osjerwyn: yes |
| 20:31 | osjerwyn | could someone give me a list it could help |
| 20:31 | cait | let me find the link from last year |
| 20:32 | thd | osjerwyn: Yes, local and international sponsors have supported past Kohacons even with no connection to Koha at least for the local ones. |
| 20:32 | cait | http://kohacon2016.lib.auth.gr/?page_id=462 |
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| 20:32 | cait | the kohacon websites usually list them somewhere, this is from Greece |
| 20:32 | osjerwyn | alright got it! |
| 20:32 | schnydszch | By the way jerwyn will set up the website :) so call for sponsors and papers are taken into account |
| 20:32 | cait | it's been a mix of koha support providers, library suppliers and local businesses i think |
| 20:33 | osjerwyn | cait copy that |
| 20:33 | BobB | definitely ask EBSCO |
| 20:33 | osjerwyn | this would help |
| 20:33 | BobB | and after KohaUS, I would ask Bibliotecha too |
| 20:33 | osjerwyn | another thing with the food. what is usually the set up? |
| 20:34 | lunch and snacks? what do you prefer? | |
| 20:34 | CrispyBran | #info |
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| 20:34 | cait | osjerwyn: i tihnk greece has been the first with lunch provided |
| 20:34 | rangi | osjerwyn: normally there is only snacks |
| 20:34 | cait | yep |
| 20:35 | rangi | usually people eat at local restaurants etc |
| 20:35 | osjerwyn | maybe we could remove the lunch so we could cut of the budget? |
| 20:35 | rangi | so that is an option, if you dont get sponsorshipt for lunches ... people can get their own |
| 20:35 | yeah | |
| 20:35 | cait | it's also ok to ask people to pay for the day activity between conf and hackfest usually i think |
| 20:35 | rangi | what i would do, is aim for it, but if you dont get enough to cover it |
| 20:36 | osjerwyn | #rangi got it |
| 20:36 | BobB | esp if there are cafes and restaurants near the venue |
| 20:36 | rangi | yes that is right, the cultural day between often has some costs |
| 20:36 | schnydszch | Noted on cait and rangi. I've been to many local conferences, there's always lunch but there's registration fee. The group will concur on this. |
| 20:36 | osjerwyn | yes lots of cafes and restaurants |
| 20:36 | rangi | excellent, i prefer that too |
| 20:37 | that way we give back to the local community a little | |
| 20:37 | cait | it might be easier if possible for people to pay food/excursion when there |
| 20:37 | then in advance | |
| 20:37 | rangi | by spending money in their cafes |
| 20:37 | schnydszch | there's even a so-called Museum Cafe nearby |
| 20:37 | cait | good thought rangi :) |
| 20:38 | rangi | exciting :) |
| 20:38 | nuentoter_ | ok so you guys make software thats used in libraries, why dont you cater to those markets for sponsors. with libraries popping up maker spaces across the country (usa) places like instructables.com might be a possible venue |
| 20:38 | also twitch.tv | |
| 20:39 | osjerwyn | schnydszch can you please confirm the date |
| 20:39 | schnydszch | those are are taken into account cait rangi, the group will concur. But we encourage everyone to fill up the google form once it's up. We will post it in koha mailing list. |
| 20:39 | June 13-17 | |
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| 20:39 | cait | schnydszch: is there a rough schedule? |
| 20:40 | hackfest, conf, fun day? :) | |
| 20:40 | BobB | how many conference days, fun day, how many hackfest days? |
| 20:40 | schnydszch | Nuentoter, that's noted. By the way tbe president of the organization we have tied up with is a staff of the US embassy. So those coming from the US and ne3ds assistance probably we can ask him |
| 20:40 | cait | :) |
| 20:41 | osjerwyn | schnydszch is it June 12-16 Monday - Friday? |
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| 20:41 | schnydszch | Cait: same formats as before 3 days conf. 2 days hackfest |
| 20:41 | Jerwyn 13 is tuesday 16 is saturday | |
| 20:42 | Third day musem tour | |
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| 20:42 | schnydszch | Third day half day museum tour |
| 20:42 | osjerwyn | alright just for the record |
| 20:43 | cait | osjerwyn: so 2.5 days conf, half a day museum tour, 2 days hackfest? :) |
| 20:44 | just trying to get it right | |
| 20:44 | schnydszch | Yes cait |
| 20:44 | cait | is hte hackfest also at the museum or at another location? |
| 20:44 | osjerwyn | same location |
| 20:45 | BobB | the main requirement for hackfest is lots of broadband, reliable broadband |
| 20:46 | osjerwyn | BobB we are aware of that |
| 20:46 | drojf | or a usb stick with master ;) |
| 20:46 | osjerwyn | good thing Philippines started with the Fibr |
| 20:46 | BobB | ahead of us :) |
| 20:47 | schnydszch | we are aware of that. We are in the central business district and filipinas heritage library can provide that and another sponsor we've informally talked to |
| 20:47 | cait | cool |
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| 20:48 | cait | sounds like you got things under control :) |
| 20:48 | osjerwyn | can some disclose to us how much EBSCO usually give for sponsorship? |
| 20:48 | just rough estimate | |
| 20:49 | cait | i don't know, you might want to email the last organizers |
| 20:49 | BobB | i have no idea |
| 20:49 | good idea cait | |
| 20:49 | thd | osjerwyn: You should also not necessarily presume that they have a usual amount. |
| 20:49 | cait | that's probably true |
| 20:49 | hm | |
| 20:49 | schnydszch | .we will try and check calling cards :) |
| 20:49 | cait | but |
| 20:49 | for the last kohacon they had levels of sponsorship | |
| 20:50 | and ebsco and others are listed kohappiest | |
| 20:50 | osjerwyn | alright thanks for the info! :) |
| 20:50 | drojf | but ebsco has folio now. i would not just assume they are going to sponsor |
| 20:51 | talk to them. early | |
| 20:51 | osjerwyn | I started to hear more about folio what is it? |
| 20:52 | phred | See www.folio.org |
| 20:52 | drojf | not really a meeting topic |
| 20:52 | thd | osjerwyn: Different levels of sponsorship may sometimes have different size of notices, placement order or something, or may only be distinguished by the level contributing. |
| 20:52 | cait | i think it's hard to explain right now - at least for me |
| 20:52 | rangi | i would also be cautious about strings with their sponsorship, i really dont think a talk about folio is appropriate at a kohacon |
| 20:52 | theyve done one, that's enough | |
| 20:54 | cait | i thnk best is not to focus on EBSCO too much but look for sponsorhip in general - and yeah, look out for strings attached |
| 20:54 | jrm_ | have any of you guys looked into twitch as a sponsor? they have a creative channel on there that includes all kinds of web and game developers, coders and script kids streaming them just coding. They could possibly be looked at for the streaming the even t |
| 20:55 | schnydszch | jrm: we take note of that |
| 20:55 | osjerwyn | cait got it |
| 20:56 | BobB | I'd also be cautious about becoming dependant on anyone who sells closed source software or locks up content |
| 20:56 | drojf | for 2.5 days of conference sponsored talk slots should probably avoided |
| 20:57 | (and in general :P ) | |
| 20:57 | BobB | i think i've come the circle there :) |
| 20:58 | rangi | :) |
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| 20:58 | CrispyBran | Maybe TalkingTech, LibraryThing, ???? |
| 20:58 | rangi | more proprietary? |
| 20:58 | pass :) | |
| 20:58 | cait | is there anything more or should we move on? :) |
| 20:58 | drojf | maybe we skip the fundraising part for now? |
| 20:59 | phred | Does Canonical ever sponsor conferences? |
| 20:59 | drojf | move on |
| 20:59 | cait | thx for hte update schnydszch and osjerwyn! |
| 20:59 | #info Please check logs - tons of information about Kohacon16 there. | |
| 20:59 | #topic KohaCon18 | |
| 20:59 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon18 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 September 2016) | |
| 21:00 | cait | when should we open bidding officially for the next conference? |
| 21:00 | BobB | err, 17? |
| 21:00 | schnydszch | Yewh we move on and we encourage the koha community with inkling of attending kohacon20q7 in the philippines to register early once the google form is up |
| 21:00 | rangi | yeah we could have a conference meeting :) |
| 21:00 | BobB | no, you are right, we just dealt with 17, eh |
| 21:00 | cait | schnydszch: noted :) |
| 21:01 | shoudl we just open it? | |
| 21:01 | i think Europe is still out | |
| 21:01 | so we got no valid bid atm | |
| 21:02 | drojf | con: bid might be invalid until we vote. pro: people can start thinking about it |
| 21:02 | cait | shoudl we have a quick vote or postpone to another meeting? |
| 21:02 | thd | We do not have a wiki page yet for KohaCon 18 |
| 21:02 | Still seems early to me | |
| 21:03 | cait | ok |
| 21:03 | so let's postpone | |
| 21:03 | #info Decision about opening Kohacon18 bid postponed to next meeting | |
| 21:03 | #topic Actions from last meeting | |
| 21:03 | Topic for #koha is now Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 September 2016) | |
| 21:04 | cait | #info no actions from last meeting |
| 21:04 | #topic Date for next meeting | |
| 21:04 | Topic for #koha is now Date for next meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 September 2016) | |
| 21:04 | cait | hm the normal date would be...5 october |
| 21:05 | thd | 5 Oct 10 UTC? |
| 21:05 | osjerwyn | what is the time now in UTC? |
| 21:05 | cait | hm would work for europe |
| 21:05 | osjerwyn: try googling 10 utc (it's what i do :) ) | |
| 21:06 | we started 20 utc, so should be 21 now | |
| 21:06 | jrm_ | kohacon 17 was opened to bids in november 15, not a stretch from now for 18 |
| 21:06 | thd | osjerwyn: It is now a little after 21 UTC. The meeting started at 20 UTC. |
| 21:07 | BobB | https://www.timeanddate.com/wo[…]ck/converted.html |
| 21:07 | osjerwyn | cait: thanks! |
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| 21:07 | thd | jrm_ Probably more attention to announcements in October and November than early September. |
| 21:07 | cait | no vetos |
| 21:07 | osjerwyn | 21 UTC is good for me |
| 21:08 | cait | osjerwyn: we usually try to shift it around |
| 21:08 | osjerwyn | got it |
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| 21:08 | cait | #agreed Next meeting will be 5 October, 10 UTC |
| 21:08 | #endmeeting | |
| 21:08 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the #koha IRC chat | Code of conduct - https://koha-community.org/abo[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 21:08 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Sep 7 21:08:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 21:08 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-09-07-20.00.html | |
| 21:08 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]6-09-07-20.00.txt | |
| 21:08 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]07-20.00.log.html | |
| 21:09 | cait | thx everyone for attending! |
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| 21:09 | BobB | thanks cait! |
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| 21:09 | tcohen | hi |
| 21:09 | cait | tcohen: your timing is off :) |
| 21:09 | jrm_ | lol |
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| 21:10 | jrm_ | hmmm i dont know why nuentoter hasnt timed out yet, i accidentally closed that browser half an hour ago or so |
| 21:10 | BobB | osjerwyn, schnydszch I hope the political situation in your country does not deterioate |
| 21:10 | drojf | cait++ |
| 21:10 | osjerwyn | BobB: not really |
| 21:10 | drojf | good night #koha |
| 21:10 | BobB | we hear of extra judicial killings etc |
| 21:11 | one potential kohacon attendee has already mentioned it to me | |
| 21:11 | schnydszch | BobB only drug users |
| 21:11 | A | |
| 21:11 | BobB | drug users have human rights, don't they? |
| 21:11 | osjerwyn | BobB: Philippine is in good shape now, and best is yet to come. except for the druglords |
| 21:11 | schnydszch | that's taken care of, media just hyping it up |
| 21:12 | BobB | well, we'll see |
| 21:12 | osjerwyn | thats wrong news! |
| 21:12 | believe us | |
| 21:12 | jrm_ | everyone has human rights, the problem is in others abilities or willingness to respect them |
| 21:12 | tcohen | cait: my timing? |
| 21:12 | meeting! | |
| 21:12 | wahanui | somebody said meeting was in two days, i thought was tomorrow. plenty of time then |
| 21:12 | jrm_ | tcohen you came in just as the meeting ended |
| 21:12 | tcohen | ah! |
| 21:13 | cait | tcohen: yep meeting ;) |
| 21:13 | schnydszch | media oversensationalize and onlg drug lords are taken care of. The president is very much taking his part of eradicating drugs in the Philippines |
| 21:13 | osjerwyn | only connected with drug are dying. not by rape, rob, |
| 21:13 | tcohen | :-( |
| 21:13 | jrm_ | we decided everybody that uses koha gets a pack of girlscout cookies of their choice mailed to them |
| 21:14 | mik_ | I use koha a lot |
| 21:14 | osjerwyn | jrm: for free? hehe |
| 21:14 | jrm_ | i said nothing of finances, i thought thats what we were talking about sponsors for |
| 21:14 | osjerwyn | ohhhhh |
| 21:15 | mik_ | Oh so there's a rub in it. As usual :-( |
| 21:18 | nuentoter | jrm shush your cookie talk |
| 21:19 | wizzyrea | O.o |
| 21:20 | sorry cookie talk is always allowed here | |
| 21:20 | thd | cait: What do you know or suspect about the relationship between OLE code and Folio code? |
| 21:22 | tcohen | thd, they are not related |
| 21:22 | rangi | or are they |
| 21:23 | drojf | i'd say they are |
| 21:23 | rangi | theres at least 4 different stories floating around |
| 21:23 | and I would agree with drojf | |
| 21:23 | http://dev.folio.org/ | |
| 21:23 | drojf | but i wanted to go to bed. i'll let you decide :) |
| 21:23 | tcohen | i've met EBSCO representatives in july, and they told it was a fresh development from indexdata |
| 21:23 | drojf | good night o/ |
| 21:24 | rangi | yes thats what they said then |
| 21:24 | tcohen | bye! |
| 21:24 | rangi | thats not what they told the OLE people |
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| 21:24 | rangi | it looks to me like it will be OLE, but instead of the kuali back end stuff |
| 21:24 | it will be using this Okapi thing they have built | |
| 21:24 | https://github.com/folio-org/okapi | |
| 21:25 | tcohen | indexdata was supposed to implement the 'backbone' (that's what they called it) |
| 21:25 | and some 'reference modules' | |
| 21:25 | rangi | yeah |
| 21:25 | the least important bits ;-) | |
| 21:25 | tcohen | hehe |
| 21:25 | rangi | but that was back when it was going to be a platform |
| 21:25 | tcohen | that's where community comes in |
| 21:25 | rangi | now its fairly clear its just an ils |
| 21:26 | tcohen | they want open source communities to build their own modules |
| 21:26 | and so propietary | |
| 21:26 | rangi | i think you are listening to what they are marketing |
| 21:26 | not watching what they are doing :) | |
| 21:26 | tcohen | that's 100% true, as I haven't seen the code |
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| 21:28 | cait | there is a gui mock-up online |
| 21:29 | thd | cait: The GUI mock-up did not seem to be other than a set of screen shots to me but maybe I missed something. |
| 21:29 | cait | thd: yeah, mock up - fake still :) |
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| 21:29 | cait | but it looks like it has ils features |
| 21:29 | bag | YAils |
| 21:30 | rangi | there are some modules |
| 21:30 | https://github.com/folio-org/m[…]isitions-postgres | |
| 21:30 | cait | bag? |
| 21:30 | bag | boring |
| 21:30 | rangi | https://github.com/folio-org/mod-circulation |
| 21:30 | bag | yet another ils |
| 21:30 | rangi | etc |
| 21:30 | yeah | |
| 21:30 | bag | sort of like YAML cait |
| 21:30 | cait | ah i see |
| 21:31 | rangi | i mean ill keep an eye on it, but it is pretty meh at the moment |
| 21:32 | thd | Is EBSCO seem to be trying to obtain something which they can control or do the not understand how successful FOSS projects are founded? |
| 21:33 | nuentoter | i would bet they very well know how FOSS projects work and are probably taking advantage of that. |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | I wouldn't bet that. |
| 21:34 | I would bet that they *think* they know | |
| 21:34 | * nuentoter | corrected |
| 21:34 | nuentoter | true |
| 21:36 | rangi | *nod* |
| 21:38 | thd | The supposed initial idea of mix and match library system modules with a commonly agreed API has never caught on and its absence has been disappointing. |
| 21:39 | However, if one company is developing the API it is never going to be a 'community' API standard. | |
| 21:40 | I also understand better now that any API on which everyone could agree would never be sufficient for what people really need in a library management system. | |
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| 21:44 | thd | I note AGPL being killed again https://github.com/folio-org/m[…]ts/master/LICENSE . |
| 21:51 | rangi | its snowing |
| 21:51 | this is broken | |
| 22:19 | tcohen | rangi: in wellington?? |
| 22:22 | rangi | yeah |
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| 23:08 | Francesca | @wunder wlg |
| 23:08 | huginn | Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (11:00 AM NZST on September 08, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
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| 23:39 | lisette | Does anyone know how I could print an invoice from the patron account screen that includes the barcode of an item that is being paid for, but looks similar to the invoice that prints currently? |
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| 23:45 | BobB | hi chrisvella__ |
| 23:49 | tcohen | is 'persistence' the right name for a DB config section? |
| 23:49 | persistence: { database: mysql, name: blah, user: bleh, ... } | |
| 23:51 | rangi | storage? |
| 23:52 | lisette: i dont think you can without some dev work, it;d have to be a pdf i think, or at least the barcode would have to be an image | |
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| 23:57 | lisette | @rangi, thanks I think we figured out how to get the info we need by putting it into the description of charges. |
| 23:57 | huginn | lisette: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 23:57 | rangi | cool, or you meant just the numbers/letters? not the actual barcode? |
| 23:58 | lisette | yeah, just the numbers/letters so we could have the title, barcode,and outstanding amount all together. Sometimes the simplest answer gets glossed over. |
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