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| 03:59 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 04:00 | Confusing news: Philippines is withdrawing their bid. National Library of the Philippines is still under renovation. | |
| 04:01 | And if anyone is experiencing the logrotate killing zebra problem... bug 16885 | |
| 04:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16885 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , koha-stop-zebra should be more sure of stopping zebrasrv |
| 04:14 | mtj | ping rangi, i just logged a bug for a sec. issue... i do have a fix tho |
| 04:18 | i sorta discovered a related issue to that bug too | |
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| 05:55 | * magnuse | waves |
| 05:55 | petter | hei magnus! |
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| 05:58 | * cait | waves |
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| 06:03 | * dcook | waves to the Europeans |
| 06:07 | magnuse | god morgen petter! |
| 06:08 | 8 weeks until go live, eh? :-) | |
| 06:10 | petter | hm |
| 06:10 | I wonder | |
| 06:10 | Seems impossible now, but I hope we can make it | |
| 06:14 | * dcook | cheers for petter |
| 06:14 | dcook | And Oslo? |
| 06:14 | wahanui | somebody said Oslo was more or less even with the southern tip of greenland :-) |
| 06:27 | fredericd | I reverted bug 16917 on 16.05, and uploaded new tarball |
| 06:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16917 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Error when importing patrons, Column 'checkprevcheckout' cannot be null |
| 06:30 | cait | fredericd++ drojf++ |
| 06:30 | brb | |
| 06:34 | magnuse | dcook: petter is oslo :-) |
| 06:35 | ah, the philipines are out of the kohacon17 race | |
| 06:40 | dcook | magnuse: I thought so! |
| 06:40 | Also, yeah? | |
| 06:41 | Also how is it nearly 5? :( | |
| 06:44 | magnuse | dcook: dunno, nearly 9 here |
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| 06:58 | sophie_m | hello #koha |
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| 07:06 | magnuse | bonjour sophie_m et fridolin |
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| 07:09 | magnuse | tjänare ola |
| 07:09 | moin drojf | |
| 07:09 | drojf | hei magnuse |
| 07:09 | and morning #koha | |
| 07:11 | ola | hej magnuse! |
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| 07:12 | drojf | so we have a self-competing philippines bid now where one part says it's off and one says it's goint to happen? |
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| 07:15 | dcook | Yikes.. |
| 07:15 | Enjoy! | |
| 07:15 | * dcook | heads off for dinner |
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| 07:19 | * cait | waves |
| 07:19 | drojf | hi cait |
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| 07:22 | morgane | hi! |
| 07:22 | drojf | hi morgane |
| 07:22 | morgane | hi drojf :) |
| 07:24 | * cait | waves |
| 07:26 | morgane | hi cait :) |
| 07:27 | cait | hi morgane |
| 07:27 | where you able to resolve the problem with the wiki login? | |
| 07:28 | morgane | cait: no, I edit my wiki page with the account of clhr at biblibre |
| 07:28 | cait | hm |
| 07:29 | did you try contacting gmcharlt? | |
| 07:31 | morgane | I don't see him on the chan, paul_p thinks he is in vacations |
| 07:31 | cait | hm that or maybe conferences or so |
| 07:31 | i'd try to email him | |
| 07:31 | he is not always listening in here i think | |
| 07:33 | morgane | cait: ok, thanks. we think there is a problem with the email service of the wiki |
| 07:34 | cait | yeah, would be good to get to the cause of that |
| 07:35 | magnuse | ah, meeting in ~2.5 hours? |
| 07:35 | drojf | yep |
| 07:39 | * magnuse | will be able to join then! |
| 07:42 | * cait | will be there the first half hour - recruited drojf to help out with chairing |
| 07:42 | magnuse | cait++ drojf++ |
| 07:44 | drojf | i'm excited to find out what happened next in the kohacon location thing |
| 07:44 | if somebody will show up or not | |
| 07:44 | *happens | |
| 07:52 | eythian | @wunder ams |
| 07:52 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 18.1°C (9:39 AM CEST on August 03, 2016). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:52 | eythian | @wunder nzwn |
| 07:52 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (7:30 PM NZST on August 03, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:52 | eythian | hah, I win! |
| 07:52 | ...cept that humidity. ug. | |
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| 08:00 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 08:00 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on August 03, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:01 | magnuse | drojf: mtompset has said on the wiki that the philipines bid is withdrawn |
| 08:02 | drojf | magnuse: after someone from the list of bidders said yesterday they are working on it |
| 08:02 | magnuse | where did they say that? |
| 08:02 | drojf | big mailing list |
| 08:03 | magnuse | oh, i must have missed that |
| 08:03 | drojf | it had a digest subject |
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| 08:05 | drojf | magnuse: https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pip[…]ugust/045882.html |
| 08:06 | magnuse | yeah, i found it too :-) |
| 08:09 | added it to the agenda | |
| 08:10 | Joubu | @later tell tcohen do you remember why you put batch_record_modification in the list of scripts that fail under plack ? |
| 08:10 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 08:13 | Joubu | @later tell tcohen same for upload-cover-image.pl |
| 08:13 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 08:14 | Joubu | @later tell tcohen same for batchMod.pl |
| 08:14 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 08:14 | Joubu | (sorry) |
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| 08:44 | morgane | hi, I have a question about the koha::object, when I use the function "find" then I modify the value of a param with the function "set", how can I apply my modification in the database (like a update sql query)? |
| 08:47 | Joubu | morgane: ->store |
| 08:47 | morgane | Joubu: store will not create another one? |
| 08:47 | Joubu | morgane: no, store will call the DBIx::Class create_or_update method |
| 08:47 | morgane | Joubu: oh, ok! thanks :) |
| 08:47 | Joubu | whch will update the it if already exists |
| 08:48 | which will update it if already exists * | |
| 08:49 | morgane | Joubu: I don't see it was written, sorry |
| 08:49 | Joubu | morgane: no worries :) |
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| 09:01 | LibraryClaire | morning #koha |
| 09:12 | * cait | waves |
| 09:14 | * LibraryClaire | waves back |
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| 09:42 | drojf | eythian: you're still there https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Catalyst_IT |
| 09:47 | lari | Joubu: hey, thanks for your comment in Bug 16825! I wanted to ask what do you mean by "global check"; automatically iterate over the .json in /api/v1/definitions or let each Bug extend that test if they add more definitions that are directly a Koha-object/db table? |
| 09:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16825 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Add API route for getting an item |
| 09:47 | lari | it could even be automatical if each definition had something like "x-koha-object" to let the test know it's a Koha-object |
| 09:49 | Joubu | lari: I'd like something generic, to avoid each .json provide c/p tests |
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| 09:52 | lari | Joubu: yeah that would be cool. but since not all definitions will have same properties as some db table's columns, it's a bit problematic. i think one solution would be to define this "x-koha-object" for example |
| 09:54 | cait | meeting in 5 mins! |
| 09:56 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 09:56 | cait | hi oleonard |
| 09:56 | getting some more tea - brb to start the meeting | |
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| 09:59 | Joubu | lari: the json file should have the same name as the koha object module, so I don't understand why you need it. |
| 09:59 | MichaelKuhn | Kia ora tatou |
| 09:59 | drojf | hi MichaelKuhn. you got the right time! |
| 10:00 | lari | Joubu: patron.json vs borrowers? definitions that don't have db table like availability.json in Bug 16826 |
| 10:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16826 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Add API routes for getting item availability and holdability |
| 10:00 | cait | starting th emeeting in a moment |
| 10:00 | lari | Joubu: ah yes forget comment about patron :) |
| 10:01 | ofc there is Koha::Patron, sorry | |
| 10:01 | cait | #startmeeting General IRC meeting 3 August 2016 |
| 10:01 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Aug 3 10:01:05 2016 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 10:01 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 10:01 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 3 August 2016) | |
| 10:01 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_3_august_2016' |
| 10:01 | cait | #topic Introductions |
| 10:01 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 3 August 2016) | |
| 10:01 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 10:01 | cait | please introduce yourself following wahanui's example |
| 10:01 | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany | |
| 10:01 | #chair drojf | |
| 10:01 | huginn | Current chairs: cait drojf |
| 10:01 | schnydszch | #info Eugene Espinoza Philippines |
| 10:01 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
| 10:01 | cc | #info Colin Campbell, PTFS-Europe Ltd |
| 10:01 | MichaelKuhn | @drojf Yes, I'm lucky today :-) |
| 10:01 | huginn | MichaelKuhn: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 10:02 | drojf | heh |
| 10:02 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
| 10:02 | cait | today's agenda: |
| 10:02 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ing_3_August_2016 | |
| 10:02 | drojf | #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany |
| 10:02 | fredericd | #info Frédéric Demians |
| 10:02 | d_antonakis | #info Dimitris Antonakis, Athens, Greece |
| 10:03 | magnuse | #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 10:04 | MichaelKuhn | #info Michael Kuhn, Allschwil (next to Basel), Switzerland |
| 10:04 | ola | #info Ola Andersson, LTU, Sweden |
| 10:04 | cait | nice, big crowd |
| 10:05 | drojf | scary |
| 10:05 | cait | please get your #info in, i am switching topic in a quick moment |
| 10:05 | drojf | in a good way |
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| 10:05 | magnuse | we'll be kind |
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| 10:05 | cait | davidnind: #info? :) |
| 10:06 | ok, moving on | |
| 10:06 | #topic Announcements | |
| 10:06 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 3 August 2016) | |
| 10:06 | davidnind | #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand |
| 10:06 | cait | heh |
| 10:06 | ok, any announcements? | |
| 10:06 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 10:06 | cait | please hold KohaCon until we move into that topic |
| 10:06 | Oak | #info Arslan Farooq, Islamabad, Pakistan |
| 10:07 | cait | My understanding is that some people are travelling to the Koha US conference this week |
| 10:07 | including bag afaik | |
| 10:07 | any Rmaints around? | |
| 10:07 | rangi | yep |
| 10:08 | cait | announcements? :) |
| 10:08 | rangi | nope |
| 10:08 | drojf | no inztroduction, you don't exist :P |
| 10:08 | or i missed it | |
| 10:08 | rangi | just that i hope we can all get back to the releasing on the 22nd schedule |
| 10:09 | drojf | some schedule would be nice. from a "packaging your stuff" point of view |
| 10:09 | * fredericd | will do my best for 22nd releasing |
| 10:09 | cait | #info Please try and keep maintenance releases on schedule - around 22nd each month |
| 10:09 | drojf | i would like to have packages soon after release. so it would be cool to know when it happens :) |
| 10:09 | rangi | bgkriegel regens the po files ont the 15th, so that gives a week for that translators |
| 10:10 | cait | #info RMaints - please keep drojf in the loop about your planned release day to have timely packages |
| 10:10 | rangi: is that automatic? | |
| 10:10 | rangi | yup |
| 10:10 | well he might do it manually, but it's always on the 15th (at least it has been) | |
| 10:11 | cait | #info RMaints and translators - po files are updates for releases on the 15th! |
| 10:11 | anything else? | |
| 10:11 | wahanui | hmmm... anything else is just being crap |
| 10:11 | rangi | 3.20.x is mainly going to be just security fixes from now on |
| 10:11 | fredericd | There is no project for 16.05 branch on Jenkins server. Could it be added? |
| 10:11 | cait | #info 3.20.x to mainly include security fixes from now on |
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| 10:12 | rangi | ah yep |
| 10:12 | @later tell tcohen can you set up a 16.05 job on jenkins please | |
| 10:12 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:12 | fredericd | My goal for this stable release was to include as much of master patches as possible in order to minimize master/stable code divergence, especially for templates. |
| 10:13 | And so, in order to ease bug fixes backporting in the stable release cycle. | |
| 10:13 | In this perspective, I've included what I've considered as minor enhancements. | |
| 10:13 | I may have been a little bit too far... | |
| 10:13 | Joubu | fredericd: yes it should. We will see with tcohen when he will be around |
| 10:14 | (oops sorry, not at the bottom) | |
| 10:14 | fredericd | From now onwards, I will take a more conservative approach. |
| 10:14 | cait | thx fredericd |
| 10:14 | #action tcohen - please set up a 16.05 job on jenkins | |
| 10:15 | moving on? | |
| 10:15 | drojf | i released a package reverting a patch before it was done by the RMaint. to avoid a lot of kohas exploding. any objections to doing that? |
| 10:15 | i don't plan to add features on my own ;) | |
| 10:15 | cait | quick check, do we have something for the next topic, please just say yes |
| 10:15 | otherwise i am goig to jump to kohacon | |
| 10:16 | no objections from me in that case - seemed straightforward | |
| 10:16 | fredericd | drojf: rather encouragement than objection |
| 10:16 | drojf | ok cool |
| 10:17 | cait | moving onto KohaCon as next topic |
| 10:17 | #KohaCon | |
| 10:17 | hm sorry | |
| 10:17 | #topic KohaCon17 | |
| 10:17 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon17 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 3 August 2016) | |
| 10:18 | cait | there has been quite a confusion since yesterday and I hope we will be able to resolve it |
| 10:18 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]haCon17_Proposals | |
| 10:18 | For this year there was one proposal added early to the list for the Philippines by mtompset | |
| 10:19 | after drojf asked for updates on the mailing list | |
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| 10:19 | cait | the bid was first changed to remove one of the contacts, then later removed with an email to the mailing list |
| 10:19 | the mailing list emails are linked to the wiki | |
| 10:19 | magnuse | *linked to from the wiki |
| 10:19 | cait | before that happend, it hink also yesterdy eugene jose espinoza had sent an email about the Philippines still be interested |
| 10:20 | of course, thx magnuse | |
| 10:20 | the reason mtompset gave for withdrawing the bit was ongoing renovations at the national library | |
| 10:20 | some time before this meeting today, the bid was restored | |
| 10:20 | is someone here for the bidders? | |
| 10:20 | schnydszch | okay here |
| 10:21 | drojf | can you explain what is going on? |
| 10:21 | schnydszch | I have edited the bid to instead be held at the Ayala Museum, where they offered there place, hence, restoring the bid |
| 10:22 | drojf | i see the national library in the bid |
| 10:22 | schnydszch | we have talked among ourselves those currently in the Philippines to restore the bid because we've got the Ayala Museusm and also the Association of Special Libraries of the Philippines to help us |
| 10:22 | drojf | and tulong aklatan who were deleted before |
| 10:22 | (deperately from the other deletion) | |
| 10:22 | cait | separately :) |
| 10:22 | drojf | äh |
| 10:22 | lol | |
| 10:22 | yes | |
| 10:22 | sorry | |
| 10:22 | :D | |
| 10:23 | schnydszch | I have edited just hours ago. NP drojf |
| 10:23 | http://www.ayalamuseum.org/ | |
| 10:23 | it was actually the Filipinas Heritage Library of the Ayala Museum | |
| 10:23 | http://www.filipinaslibrary.org.ph/ | |
| 10:24 | drojf | so the person that was said to be out of the bid is now in again? |
| 10:24 | and what is the involvement of the national library? | |
| 10:24 | cait | #info new location for the Philippines bid: Ayala Museum http://www.ayalamuseum.org/ |
| 10:24 | schnydszch | Yes, we have talked among ourselves upon learning that Filipinas Heritage Library is offering there place |
| 10:25 | cait | ok, so can we confirm that OnStrike is part of the organizing team now? |
| 10:25 | drojf | by ourselves you mean all in the list now? (sorry it's not obvious to me and all very confusing) |
| 10:25 | cait | trying to do this bit by bit :) |
| 10:25 | thd | schnydszch: Would people from the National Library still be participating as hosts without the location of the National Library itself being the location for the venue? |
| 10:25 | schnydszch | as a matter of courtesy, they are still involved, they can lend us transportation for example |
| 10:25 | cait | trying to sort this a bit |
| 10:25 | schnydszch: the last one was referring to national library? | |
| 10:25 | schnydszch | I have edited the conference location to Ayala Museum |
| 10:26 | cait | yep, i have logged that |
| 10:26 | it looks nice | |
| 10:26 | we are just still a bit confused about the list of organizers | |
| 10:26 | schnydszch | here: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]haCon17_Proposals |
| 10:27 | list of organizers: OSLS, TA, NLP, FHL, ASLP | |
| 10:27 | in that order | |
| 10:27 | drojf | and there is still no date |
| 10:27 | schnydszch | Onstrike Library Solutions, Tulong Aklatan, National Library of the Philippines, Filipinas Heritage Library, Association of Special Libraries of the Philippines |
| 10:27 | rangi | cool |
| 10:27 | schnydszch | June |
| 10:27 | cait | please keep talking, iw ill info some of that for the meeting minutes and then we can ask about what is not clear yet |
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| 10:28 | schnydszch | previously proposed date was june, sept or oct |
| 10:28 | cait | #info Organizers are OSLS, TA, NLP, FHL, ASLP - Onstrike Library Solutions, Tulong Aklatan, National Library of the Philippines, Filipinas Heritage Library, Association of Special Libraries of the Philippines |
| 10:28 | schnydszch | but opted for June |
| 10:28 | cait | #info The conference date would be in June |
| 10:29 | schnydszch | the local hotels, restaurants will be edited since it will be in Makati, the Philippines central business district |
| 10:30 | thd | Have we not voted on KohaCon proposals without the date being precisely specified in the past even if what had been specified in such cases had been a much more constrained period? |
| 10:30 | rangi | nice temperatures in june too |
| 10:30 | schnydszch | yep, not so hot already |
| 10:30 | rangi | thd: indicative is good enough |
| 10:30 | cait | thd: i think a missing exact date is not a blocker - just good to have a general idea |
| 10:30 | schnydszch | May is Summer in the Philippines |
| 10:30 | drojf | thd: yes, the date does not need to be fixed. but people want to know when it may be, kind of |
| 10:31 | so three months was a bit much | |
| 10:31 | thd | Agreed, three months is not enough specificity. |
| 10:31 | cait | just checking - city is the same, just another part of it, right? |
| 10:31 | schnydszch | yep |
| 10:31 | part of Metropolitan Manila | |
| 10:32 | drojf | ok then all the rest still applies i guess, hotels and stuff? |
| 10:32 | schnydszch | basically, but we will update it to suit Makati area |
| 10:32 | cait | #info local hotels, restaurants will be edited since it will be in Makati, the Philippines central business district of Manila |
| 10:33 | i have to run :( but drojf will take over chairing | |
| 10:33 | thx for the information schnydszch! | |
| 10:33 | drojf | ok |
| 10:33 | rangi | that sounds good to me |
| 10:33 | drojf | schnydszch: anything else you would like to add? |
| 10:33 | thd | schnydszch: Will the National Library still be open for its own library business during the renovation? |
| 10:33 | schnydszch | ..thinking |
| 10:34 | rangi | as long as there is adobo there, i will be happy :) |
| 10:34 | schnydszch | they are still open, in fact they are under renovation and still open. The sight is not good since you can see cobbles, etc. |
| 10:34 | Yes @rangi a lot of adobo | |
| 10:34 | we will take note of that | |
| 10:35 | drojf | what is adobo? |
| 10:35 | schnydszch | marinated pork/chicken in soy, vinegar |
| 10:35 | drojf | oh i'm chair, stop silly questions |
| 10:35 | thanks a lot for the update schnydszch | |
| 10:36 | thd | schnydszch: The important sight is the books, etc. not whether they have free conference rooms available. |
| 10:36 | drojf | we will have one more week until bidding closes |
| 10:36 | schnydszch | Yes books and artifacts |
| 10:36 | drojf | at the moment there is only another bid from europe which does not apply because we were in europe this year |
| 10:37 | schnydszch | in the museum. ancient jars, those traded during the galleon trade with Mexico and Spain :) as far as Ayala Museum is concern |
| 10:37 | drojf | i think we can move on to discussing processes |
| 10:37 | the rotation for kohacon came up on the mailing list | |
| 10:38 | rangi: you said it was written down in 2010. where? | |
| 10:38 | schnydszch | we will research on what happened during the last Koha Conferences and will try to make it enjoyable :) |
| 10:38 | drojf | in the wiki it does not seem very precise |
| 10:38 | rangi | a couple of places on the wiki, katrin is working on better wording |
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| 10:39 | rangi | i think the main thing is that if its not twice in a row, there is still the danger it ends up, europe,usa,europe,usa etc |
| 10:39 | drojf | marcelr proposed to drop the rule if there are no other offers (if i understand correctly) |
| 10:39 | rangi | i think that is fine |
| 10:39 | thd | Knowing what counts as a continent could be an issue. |
| 10:40 | drojf | if we allow that, we should not scare away bidders from the last continent |
| 10:40 | rangi | hasnt been yet thd |
| 10:40 | MichaelKuhn | I guess Antarctica will never win the bid :-( |
| 10:40 | thd | I would not think there is currently a problem considering North America and South America as separate continents. |
| 10:40 | drojf | i told people from europe they would not get it for 2017. if in the end europe would be allowed, that would be a bad thing to do |
| 10:41 | MichaelKuhn | Africa, Asia, Europe, North America, South America, Australia |
| 10:41 | rangi | well, i dont think we have to worry now :) |
| 10:41 | drojf | rangi: no, but the same thing can rise again. so it would be better to word it differently |
| 10:41 | like, the rules, the exception. write a proposal but be aware there is only little chance. or something | |
| 10:42 | rangi | yeah, only if there is no valid one from |
| 10:42 | one of the other 3 | |
| 10:43 | something like that | |
| 10:43 | drojf | yep. bu that is different to "no chance". which i told people so far |
| 10:44 | i would propose to have the deadline for bidding. and if there is no offer according to the rules, extend it. for 2 weeks, or 4 maybe. and if there is still none, accept the exceptions | |
| 10:44 | does that make sense? | |
| 10:44 | rangi | the only other informal rule was the idea that every 10 years it should be in nz, for the 10th, 20th, 30th anniversary etc |
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| 10:44 | rangi | drojf: that makes sense to me |
| 10:45 | drojf | maybe 4 weeks, as 2 is very little for a new proposal? we should end bidding earlier in general if we do that |
| 10:45 | rangi | yeah |
| 10:45 | drojf | #info cait is working on rewording the rules regarding kohacon and continents |
| 10:46 | #info if we do not get bids according to the rules, an exception is possible | |
| 10:47 | thd | "KohaCon shall not be held in the same continent twice in succession unless no proposal has been introduced from a different continent. Continents for the sake of the rule shall be distinguished as Africa, Asia, Europe, North America, South America, and Australia. Rule may be revised at a Koha IRC meeting if a problem develops." |
| 10:47 | rangi | its not twice |
| 10:47 | in succession | |
| 10:47 | drojf | #info after the regular deadline for bids, if there is none that meets the rules, there will be a 4 weeks extension to the deadline |
| 10:47 | rangi | that still allows NA,Europe,NA,Europe etc |
| 10:47 | its not within 3 years | |
| 10:47 | magnuse | yeah, 3 years make sense |
| 10:48 | MichaelKuhn | It didn't happen until now |
| 10:48 | drojf | #info if there is no bid that matches the rules after the extention period, exceptions from the rules are possible |
| 10:48 | thd | "KohaCon shall not be held in the same continent within three years unless no proposal has been introduced from a different continent. Continents for the sake of the rule shall be distinguished as Africa, Asia, Europe, North America, South America, and Australia. Rule may be revised at a Koha IRC meeting if a problem develops." |
| 10:48 | rangi | MichaelKuhn: because we have always had the not within 3 years rule |
| 10:48 | that works thd | |
| 10:48 | magnuse | Australia - does that include nz and the pacific? |
| 10:48 | rangi | id call it oceania |
| 10:48 | drojf | this |
| 10:48 | rangi | instead of australia |
| 10:48 | MichaelKuhn | OK, some protectionism may not be too bad |
| 10:48 | magnuse | nice |
| 10:49 | rangi | then its more clear it includes the pacific an nz |
| 10:49 | kohacon in fiji would be nice ;) | |
| 10:49 | thd | "KohaCon shall not be held in the same continent within three years unless no proposal has been introduced from a different continent. Continents for the sake of the rule shall be distinguished as Africa, Asia, Europe, North America, South America, and Oceania [Australia, New Zealand, etc.]. Rule may be revised at a Koha IRC meeting if a problem develops." |
| 10:50 | drojf | antarctica should be in there |
| 10:50 | i want to go | |
| 10:50 | :P | |
| 10:50 | oleonard | first we have to get them using Koha |
| 10:50 | rangi | yeah, there are 2 libraries there |
| 10:50 | we do have libraries in fiji using koha though :) | |
| 10:50 | thd | drojf: When it becomes warm enough, it may be the only place left :) |
| 10:51 | drojf | #info continents are Africa, Antarctica, Asia, Europe, North America, South America, Oceania |
| 10:51 | :P | |
| 10:51 | rangi | heh |
| 10:52 | drojf | ok anything else regarding kohacon locations? |
| 10:52 | rangi | not from me |
| 10:52 | MichaelKuhn | There is a beautiful animation about the naming of continents on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent |
| 10:52 | drojf | ok moving on then |
| 10:53 | #topic Actions from General IRC meeting 6 July 2016 (none, meeting postponed) | |
| 10:53 | Topic for #koha is now Actions from General IRC meeting 6 July 2016 (none, meeting postponed) (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 3 August 2016) | |
| 10:53 | drojf | we had no meeting |
| 10:53 | so… | |
| 10:53 | MichaelKuhn | I didn't miss that one then |
| 10:53 | drojf | heh nope |
| 10:53 | #topic Community involvement - Use 'Academy' keyword year round | |
| 10:53 | Topic for #koha is now Community involvement - Use 'Academy' keyword year round (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 3 August 2016) | |
| 10:53 | drojf | anyone knows what that is about? |
| 10:53 | or who added it? | |
| 10:54 | rangi | no idea |
| 10:54 | MichaelKuhn | nope |
| 10:54 | rangi | lemme look |
| 10:54 | thd | MichaelKuhn: Not enough people were present last month to conduct a meeting. |
| 10:54 | oleonard | About bug reports for the Catalyst Academy? |
| 10:54 | * oleonard | guesses |
| 10:54 | drojf | oleonard: but when it's on the agenda i guess somebody wanted to discuss it? |
| 10:54 | rangi | was added nick clemens from bywater |
| 10:54 | drojf | hm. ok |
| 10:55 | rangi | so maybe they want to overload our catalyst academy keyword to use for their one? |
| 10:55 | drojf | maybe they should get another then instead |
| 10:55 | rangi | which is fine as long as there are about 20 bugs left there in january :) |
| 10:55 | drojf | not really a topic for the meeting i guess |
| 10:56 | rangi | what might be good is tagging easy bugs |
| 10:56 | all throughout the year | |
| 10:56 | drojf | yes that is always useful |
| 10:56 | rangi | for people who want to get started |
| 10:56 | maybe that was what was meant | |
| 10:57 | drojf | #info nobody around to explain the topic |
| 10:57 | #info tagging easy bugs makes sense to help people get started | |
| 10:57 | thd | Some apparently 'easy' bugs are rabbit holes for descending. |
| 10:57 | MichaelKuhn | I would be grateful |
| 10:57 | drojf | i'd end it with that |
| 10:57 | thats all on the agenda, we need a date for next time | |
| 10:57 | unless there is anything else? | |
| 10:58 | 7 august 2016, 20 UTC? | |
| 10:58 | err, september | |
| 10:58 | 7 september 2016, 20 UTC? | |
| 10:59 | thd | I prefer 14 Sep. at 20 UTC. |
| 10:59 | drojf | won't work for me. which does not mean much |
| 10:59 | MichaelKuhn | That's a midnight session on Sunday |
| 10:59 | drojf | huh? |
| 10:59 | MichaelKuhn | sorry, no |
| 11:00 | drojf | preferences, anyone? |
| 11:00 | davidnind1 | generally the first Wednesday, has been for a while now, happy with 7 Sept. |
| 11:00 | * thd | has a general preference against the first Wed. of the month for 20 UTC. |
| 11:01 | drojf | thd: that was kind of the general date |
| 11:01 | * thd | has no strong reservation for Sep. |
| 11:02 | thd | 7 Sep. should work for me actually. When the time changes it can become tricky. |
| 11:02 | s/time/local time/ | |
| 11:02 | drojf | ok, then it's 7 september 2016, 20 UTC |
| 11:02 | davidnind1 | + |
| 11:03 | drojf | #info next meeting 7 september 2016, 20 UTC |
| 11:03 | #endmeeting | |
| 11:03 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the #koha IRC chat | Code of conduct - https://koha-community.org/abo[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 11:03 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Aug 3 11:03:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 11:03 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-08-03-10.01.html | |
| 11:03 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]6-08-03-10.01.txt | |
| 11:03 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]03-10.01.log.html | |
| 11:03 | drojf | thanks everyone |
| 11:03 | that was very productive | |
| 11:03 | thd | Early Sep. is generally not as good as mid-Sep. for participation of people away for holidays. |
| 11:03 | davidnind1 | drojf++ |
| 11:03 | cait++ | |
| 11:03 | magnuse | drojf++ |
| 11:04 | rangi | who has holidays in september? |
| 11:05 | you weird northern hemisphere people :) | |
| 11:05 | Joubu | :) |
| 11:06 | MichaelKuhn | 15 September is Our Lady of Seven Sorrows |
| 11:06 | drojf | ok so it looks like we will have kohacon next year after all |
| 11:06 | yay | |
| 11:06 | thd | rangi: I refer to the start of the academic year which at some institutions is delayed a little relative to others. |
| 11:06 | oleonard | drojf++ |
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| 11:07 | * oleonard | will be back later |
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| 11:07 | thd | rangi: People in the US will take holidays until the actual start date of the academic year. |
| 11:08 | rangi: Are you connected via bip? | |
| 11:08 | rangi | yep |
| 11:08 | MichaelKuhn | What is bip? I guess not, I just use the browser |
| 11:09 | thd | My connection via bip is having some trouble but I have not investigated. |
| 11:09 | drojf | oh we broke the biblibre sandboxes |
| 11:09 | MichaelKuhn | Yes, I tried them at the weekend bot none of them really worked |
| 11:09 | rangi | yeah master is unusable on jessie without cpan (currently anyway) |
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| 11:10 | MichaelKuhn | I was trying to build my own development system on Debian 8, no chance |
| 11:10 | drojf | you mean wheezy? |
| 11:10 | MichaelKuhn | Now I built one on Ubuntu which looks better |
| 11:10 | thd | MichaelKuhn: bip is an IRC proxy which you can use to maintain a connection to the server, log messages, etc. and attach and reattach your live presence. |
| 11:10 | drojf | rangi ^ |
| 11:10 | rangi | ok I need to go to bed |
| 11:10 | Joubu | @later tell tcohen just recreate my kohadevbox and had to `sudo a2enmod mpm_prefork ; sudo cpanm Test::DBIx::Class` by myself |
| 11:10 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:10 | drojf | rangi: jessie should work. no? |
| 11:10 | MichaelKuhn | Good night! |
| 11:10 | wahanui | I watch you sleep. |
| 11:11 | rangi | and oai is broken on 16.04 |
| 11:11 | MichaelKuhn | there is that Mysql password problem in Ubuntu 16.04 |
| 11:12 | (Ubuntu 16.04 comes with Mysql 5.7) | |
| 11:12 | rangi | the oai one is because http::oai is 4.x which is broken badly and no one is fixing it |
| 11:12 | debian stuck with 3.27 which works | |
| 11:13 | but there was something i had a missing dependency for, but I forget what, ill check on my pbuilder tomorrow and let you know drojf | |
| 11:13 | thd | MichaelKuhn: You may find more success with Debian stable than Ubuntu. |
| 11:14 | rangi | debian breaks way less then ubuntu in my experience |
| 11:14 | MichaelKuhn | thd: I tried to build a development server - productive servers I still build on Ubuntu 14.04 |
| 11:14 | rangi | ok now im really going to bed :) |
| 11:14 | drojf | rangi: thanks. and good night |
| 11:15 | MichaelKuhn | It seems much more painful to meet the perl dependiencies in debian than in Ubuntu, though... I'm a Perl beginner... |
| 11:16 | Goodbye to all | |
| 11:16 | thd | MichaelKuhn: If you pick an old LTS version of Ubuntu you may have fewer problems than one just released, however, Debian is still a safer choice for use with Koha. |
| 11:17 | MichaelKuhn | thd: I used Ubuntu 14.04 so far |
| 11:18 | But I have also made installations on Debian 8 | |
| 11:18 | thd | MichaelKuhn: There has been a Debian Koha repository for Perl dependencies when we needed one. |
| 11:19 | MichaelKuhn | thd: Where can this be found? |
| 11:19 | eythian | There is. It's just the regular repo. |
| 11:19 | MichaelKuhn | Ah OK yes, but it doesn't contain ALL the dependencies |
| 11:20 | I just asked a question in the mailing list about these perl dependencies actually missing on my installation (Exception::Class, Sereal::Decoder, Sereal::Encoder) | |
| 11:20 | They are there but not in the version that is required by Koha | |
| 11:20 | eythian | If it's missing dependencies for a supported distro, then that's specifically something that should be fixed. |
| 11:21 | as in, worth raising bugs for | |
| 11:21 | MichaelKuhn | In fact I asked myself what ist a "distributed distro" - I never found a document explaining it |
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| 11:22 | thd | MichaelKuhn: New Perl modules might be required by some new Koha development which cannot fit into the Debian timeline. |
| 11:22 | MichaelKuhn | informally I know it's Ubuntu 14.04 and Debian 8 but I can't find any information what exactly is needed |
| 11:22 | eythian | https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian <-- from the point of view of packaging, they're listed here |
| 11:22 | thd: in that case the package manager backports them | |
| 11:22 | thd | eythian++ |
| 11:22 | MichaelKuhn | thd: This may be the case since I built a development system; that's why I asked in the mailing list what is the best way to install missing perl modules |
| 11:23 | thd | Exactly |
| 11:23 | eythian | the best way is to use the koha repo |
| 11:23 | * thd | has to attend a housing court session for my friend. |
| 11:23 | MichaelKuhn | eythian: Thanks for that! I take notice (and suggest to include in with every release note) |
| 11:23 | eythian | and if that doesn't work right, raise bugs on the bits that don't work. |
| 11:24 | There are also packages in there to install only the perl dependencies, which can be helpful | |
| 11:24 | thd | Sadly, mean landlords for a friend of mine have been taking my time away from Koha. |
| 11:24 | MichaelKuhn | I'm hesitating to raise bugs because maybe I'm just not knowing enough |
| 11:24 | thd: Squat that house then ;-) | |
| 11:25 | eythian | Then people will explain what you need to know and close the bug, nothing wrong with that. |
| 11:25 | MichaelKuhn | OK |
| 11:26 | Thanks and goodbye! | |
| 11:26 | drojf | MichaelKuhn: |
| 11:26 | MichaelKuhn | YEs? |
| 11:26 | drojf | are you using the unstable repository? |
| 11:26 | MichaelKuhn | Yes I do |
| 11:26 | drojf | in your dev environment |
| 11:26 | ok | |
| 11:27 | would have been an easy fix :P | |
| 11:27 | MichaelKuhn | Haha, not so |
| 11:28 | Of course I could install the missing module susing CPAN - but which way is the best or the recommended one? | |
| 11:28 | drojf | i'd recommend using debian jessie. and if something is missing there, it's a bug |
| 11:29 | MichaelKuhn | Well I'm just at the beginning with Perl, maybe I will even change back to Debian one day |
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| 11:38 | vfernandes | hi #koha |
| 11:38 | i'm having a problem with one koha | |
| 11:39 | magnuse | jessie is debian 8 |
| 11:39 | * magnuse | can never remember that |
| 11:40 | vfernandes | using curl on command line, one search lasts 4.5 |
| 11:40 | using Chrome, the same search lasts 7s | |
| 11:41 | using the same HTTP request of Chorme in curl command, the search lasts also 7s | |
| 11:41 | using the same HTTP request of Chrome without Accept-Language header, the search lasts 4.5 | |
| 11:42 | any idea why the Accept-Language header is a influence in the searches? | |
| 11:43 | magnuse | does it influence other pages? like the frontpage? or is it just search pages? |
| 11:45 | vfernandes | other pages too... but the searches are the pages where the slowness is more noticeable |
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| 11:46 | vfernandes | i'm using Debian 8... could be the Apache mod_negotiation? |
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| 11:47 | oleonard | Hi again #koha |
| 12:07 | Joubu | vfernandes: could be fixed by bug 16088 |
| 12:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16088 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Excessive CGI->new() calls hurting cache performace under plack |
| 12:07 | cait | ah Michael is gone :( |
| 12:07 | the Sereal thing is fixedon master now | |
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| 12:27 | tcohen | morning |
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| 12:27 | drojf | hola tcohen |
| 12:27 | cait | hi tcohen |
| 12:28 | tcohen | Joubu: there's some issue with Test::DBIx::Class dependencies (I'm guessing). When it fails, if you run $ vagrant provision |
| 12:28 | it will succeed | |
| 12:29 | Joubu | I have installed it, then provision |
| 12:29 | same for mpm | |
| 12:31 | drojf | you added more dependencies? don't do that :P |
| 12:34 | eythian | drojf now feels my former pain |
| 12:36 | tcohen | Joubu: I haven't, but I've seen a while back that cpanm Test::DBIx::Class fails on the first attempt |
| 12:36 | that's why I guess it is a dependency issue | |
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| 12:45 | LibraryClaire | hi #koha |
| 12:46 | * drojf | is building a bot that slaps devs that add deps without telling |
| 12:46 | drojf | hi LibraryClaire |
| 12:46 | and LibraryClaire1 | |
| 12:46 | LibraryClaire | oh multi-me |
| 12:46 | hi drojf | |
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| 12:52 | tcohen | Joubu: scripts backgrounding stuff got banned from Plack |
| 12:52 | they would die in some scenarios, I don't really remember | |
| 12:52 | also, I will set the 16.05 job ASAP, same fro the Ubuntu 16.04 node | |
| 12:52 | Joubu | tcohen: I only got stage-marc-import failing |
| 12:53 | tcohen | i'm sure there were reports |
| 12:53 | but if you think they are safe, we should re-test | |
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| 13:11 | * tcohen | is installing koha manually on a clean VM, and can't understand why people still prefers it |
| 13:12 | magnuse | hehe |
| 13:18 | liw | I dislike installing anything manually. Including software I write myself. |
| 13:21 | drojf | hm |
| 13:21 | * drojf | broke stuff |
| 13:22 | drojf | or you did |
| 13:23 | * tcohen | fears who 'you' refers to |
| 13:23 | drojf | heh |
| 13:23 | koha devs | |
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| 13:37 | drojf | debian mirrors, the slowest places of the world |
| 13:39 | cait | does anyone know if you can have a single character wildcard when searchin in zebra? |
| 13:39 | something like m?ller? | |
| 13:39 | eythian | drojf: I've found the httpredir thing to be good if you don't have a specifically local mirror |
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| 13:42 | drojf | i think it's something virtualbox related. i don't see it on my real servers |
| 13:43 | 10,5 minutes for 26mb | |
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| 13:51 | eythian | oh, I've seen that on vb |
| 13:51 | I think I changed the network device it was emulating. | |
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| 13:56 | tcohen | oh, I've just missed a general meeting |
| 13:58 | cait | yep it looks like it :) |
| 13:58 | i missed half of it too | |
| 13:58 | drojf | eythian: you told me at the hackfest, but it did not make any difference then |
| 13:58 | for me | |
| 14:03 | cait | drojf: do you have a 16.05 you could quickly check a translation issue for me? |
| 14:03 | or master - as long as there is a translation | |
| 14:03 | drojf | 16.05 |
| 14:03 | cait | |
| 14:04 | cait | when editing item |
| 14:04 | does the context menu translate for you? | |
| 14:04 | clicking in any cell in the items table abvoe the form | |
| 14:04 | drojf | 16.05.01 |
| 14:04 | or do you need .02? | |
| 14:05 | cait | i think close to master - i see it in 3.22 |
| 14:05 | but there has a lot happened since | |
| 14:05 | i just want a quick check before filing a bug | |
| 14:05 | i will risk it if oyu see it in 16.05. :) | |
| 14:11 | drojf++ thx! | |
| 14:11 | bug 17040 | |
| 14:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17040 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Context menu when editing items is not translated |
| 14:13 | oleonard | cait: That's strange. The code appears to be correct with regard to enabling translation. |
| 14:14 | cait | do you have a link or the file for me? |
| 14:15 | oleonard | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d5a94;hb=HEAD#l40 |
| 14:17 | cait | file name i meant |
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| 14:17 | cait | hm odd |
| 14:18 | hm maybe it's the var thing? | |
| 14:18 | being that it starts with $ | |
| 14:18 | why does it do that btw? | |
| 14:19 | it seems to be just a concatenated string | |
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| 14:22 | oleonard | The menu is dynamically generated each time a table cell is clicked |
| 14:23 | cait | ah i meant here |
| 14:23 | var edit_link = $( | |
| 14:24 | i think the $ could turn the translation script away maybe | |
| 14:24 | but it would have to be tested, just something i haven't seen so often | |
| 14:24 | oleonard | I see. |
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| 14:50 | Joubu | cait: fixed |
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| 15:00 | cait | Joubu: wow! |
| 15:01 | what was it? | |
| 15:01 | Joubu | I do not know :) |
| 15:01 | cait | hm ok :) |
| 15:02 | Joubu | I used a different syntax and the strings are translated |
| 15:02 | cait | thx! |
| 15:02 | Joubu | so I guess it's the $( .* _("string") .*); |
| 15:03 | cait | maybe yeah |
| 15:03 | maybe some precaution to keep us from translating variable names? | |
| 15:03 | well, wild guessing - happy to have a patch :) | |
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| 15:31 | morgane | bye #koha ! |
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| 16:22 | BobB | robyn hastings is introducing Koha-US in Monterey CA |
| 16:22 | irma and bobb from Calyx delighted to be here | |
| 16:35 | @koha-us Christopher Brannon speaking on 'How you can help shape your ILS' | |
| 16:35 | huginn | BobB: downloading the Perl source |
| 16:35 | BobB | hmm |
| 16:35 | drojf | BobB: are you trying to be a twitter bot? |
| 16:42 | BobB | hi droif, irma will be on twitter, I'll just post a few brief notes here :) |
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| 16:46 | BobB | chris is calling for US Koha users to join in to the monthly online meetings |
| 16:47 | drojf | BobB: cool. is there a stream available? |
| 16:49 | debian-paths-- | |
| 16:50 | bag | morning |
| 16:50 | drojf | tcohen: after only a few hours if found out it's debian breaking stuff |
| 16:50 | hi bag | |
| 16:51 | eythian | drojf: oh? |
| 16:51 | BobB | droif #kohaus2016 |
| 16:52 | drojf | eythian: i think we had to fix some regex for weird debian paths in greece. i found another one, but it took much longer than it should have |
| 16:52 | bag | ah BobB are you there? I fly towards you today and will be at the conference tomorrow |
| 16:52 | eythian | Ah yep |
| 16:52 | drojf | debian/update-control in jessie created a million eeeks |
| 16:52 | eythian | drojf: worth testing on sid every so often to get a head start on that sort of thing. |
| 16:52 | That's also a sign you don't have apt file | |
| 16:53 | drojf | no it#s a sign the regex does not work |
| 16:53 | BobB | yes bag, arrived last night |
| 16:53 | bag | :) |
| 16:53 | eythian | I said also 🙂 |
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| 16:53 | drojf | thats a funny boc with symbols in it |
| 16:54 | but yes. i went through like all things possible and impossible, because i thought it's the pbuilder image :P | |
| 16:54 | eythian | Your lack of Unicode defines you. |
| 16:54 | drojf | lol |
| 16:54 | * drojf | googles funny box |
| 16:55 | drojf | oh look, it's "slightly smiling face emoji" |
| 16:55 | * drojf | smiles slightly |
| 16:55 | eythian | Heh. Practice makes those things faster. I usually go to reproduce things manually so I can see where they fail. |
| 16:55 | drojf | woah. finally. no eeks |
| 16:55 | eythian | Perhaps add a verbose mode to the script that dumps out what it is seeing to stderr so you can see where it fails. |
| 16:57 | Or have it die if it can't parse a result, but something is returned. That way it'll fail fast. | |
| 16:57 | drojf | there is no reason to keep the old perl paths in the regex for jessie and up, right? i assume list-deps is used nowhere but creating the control file |
| 16:57 | git greps assumes the same | |
| 16:57 | *grep | |
| 16:57 | eythian | That's correct. |
| 16:57 | But is there a reason to remove them? | |
| 16:58 | drojf | the regex getting longer for no reason |
| 16:58 | apart from that, no | |
| 16:59 | eythian | Split it into multiple ones if you need. |
| 16:59 | drojf | if i was better at regex i could just add it to the old ones ;) |
| 16:59 | cait | BobB / irma are at the US conf? cool! |
| 17:00 | eythian | Learn regex! |
| 17:00 | It's what Perl is made of! | |
| 17:01 | Perl has a built in tutorial for them I think. | |
| 17:01 | They're super useful. | |
| 17:01 | Try perldoc perlretut | |
| 17:01 | I think that exists | |
| 17:02 | BobB | hi cait, yep :) |
| 17:02 | we came via LA, dropped in for a cuddle of the grandchild :) | |
| 17:05 | there's a great book on regex in the O'Reilly series, has a whole chapter on Perl | |
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| 17:09 | drojf | if i would not do ~7 million things per day, i could easily remember things i used before and build on that |
| 17:11 | eythian | Well combine it with that regex tester I showed you and it should work out. |
| 17:11 | But they really need practice. | |
| 17:12 | cait | BobB: said not to be there now :) |
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| 17:12 | irma | morning eythian .... missing you at this #kohaUS2016 |
| 17:12 | cait | ..sad |
| 17:13 | irma | morning cait :-) |
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| 17:13 | eythian | Hi irma, I've never even been to the Americas! Was in Greece though. |
| 17:13 | BobB | chat in #koha is currently on screen at Koha-US |
| 17:13 | irma | eythian yes I was so pleased to see you were there too |
| 17:14 | eythian | BobB: thanks for letting us know, drojf was about to get colourful! |
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| 17:15 | BobB | lol |
| 17:16 | irma | eythian goed dat je nog zo betrokken met #koha bent ;-) |
| 17:16 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 17:16 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Luisenstraße, Konstanz, Germany is 27.9°C (7:11 PM CEST on August 03, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:16 | eythian | @wunder ams |
| 17:16 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 20.3°C (7:04 PM CEST on August 03, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:16 | cait | manual? |
| 17:16 | wahanui | somebody said manual was at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation |
| 17:16 | cait | :) |
| 17:16 | eythian | I think I win. 27 is a bit much. |
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| 17:16 | cait | eythian: yeah, i could do with a bit less |
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| 17:20 | drojf | @wunder txl |
| 17:20 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Rue du Capitaine Jean Maridor, Berlin, Germany is 22.5°C (7:15 PM CEST on August 03, 2016). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:21 | eythian | I keep expecting Texels when you do that. |
| 17:32 | tcohen | 16974 please |
| 17:32 | :-D | |
| 17:32 | cait | bug 16974 |
| 17:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16974 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-plack should check and fix log files permissions |
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| 18:36 | BobB | ok so this is the way city of Roseville library allocates staff roles in the library |
| 18:37 | brought about by customer reaction to the introduction of self-check | |
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| 18:40 | eythian | That sounds interesting. |
| 18:41 | Changes based on people's reactions is a field that is worth more data. | |
| 18:41 | BobB: live IRC it would you? | |
| 18:42 | (alsjeblieft) | |
| 18:44 | BobB | not so easy (: |
| 18:45 | eythian | No excuse! 😉 |
| 18:45 | BobB | we're discussing processes for choice of LMS at the moment |
| 18:46 | eythian | Ehh, I'm fine without that one 🙂 |
| 18:46 | BobB | and security |
| 18:46 | wahanui | i heard security was bad. |
| 18:46 | eythian | wahanui: botslap |
| 18:46 | wahanui | ow! |
| 18:47 | cait | BobB: thx for reporting - keeping an eye here and one on the twitter feed :) |
| 18:52 | irma | Program http://koha-us.net/index.php/2[…]annual_conference |
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| 19:03 | irma | lunch break now @ #kohaUS2016 |
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| 20:04 | eythian | hi kathryn |
| 20:04 | kathryn | hi eythian :) |
| 20:09 | eythian | kathryn: how's things with you and family? |
| 20:10 | kathryn | eythian: good! Frida is into EVERYTHING. And has no mute button, and throws things and says no a lot |
| 20:10 | but is also wonderful :D | |
| 20:11 | eythian | heh excellent :) |
| 20:11 | kathryn | how about you? any travel plans for the summer? |
| 20:12 | rangi | drojf: my bad, Can't locate Sereal/Encoder.pm in @INC its just the debian/control file needs updating |
| 20:13 | eythian | kathryn: really, I already did going to Leipzig (for a music festival), then Berlin and Greece (for Koha stuff.) Parents are coming in September, so I'm saving most of the rest of my leave for when they're here. |
| 20:13 | drojf | rangi: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]g.cgi?id=17043#c3 |
| 20:13 | huginn | 04Bug 17043: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , debian/list-deps fixes, master edition |
| 20:14 | kathryn | eythian: oh alrigtht then. I suppose you have a job to do as well :) |
| 20:14 | rangi | ta |
| 20:14 | eythian | yeah, so they tell me ;) |
| 20:15 | rangi | drojf: rebuilding now with those patches |
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| 20:53 | irma | #kohaUS2016 1:30 - 2:30 Nick Clemens SQL for Koha Beginnershttp://koha-us.net/index.php/S[…]or_Koha_Beginners |
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| 21:00 | tcohen | morning |
| 21:00 | (it is morning somewhere, right?) | |
| 21:01 | cait | not here :) |
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| 21:06 | tcohen | nor here |
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| 21:06 | tcohen | cait: it is actually late there |
| 21:06 | cait | here too :) |
| 21:07 | tcohen | @wunder cordoba, argentina |
| 21:07 | huginn | tcohen: The current temperature in Valle Escondido, Cordoba, Argentina, Córdoba, Argentina is 16.8°C (6:07 PM ART on August 03, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
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| 21:19 | wizzyrea | hi |
| 21:19 | wahanui | salut, wizzyrea |
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| 21:59 | tcohen | hi wizzyrea |
| 22:02 | wizzyrea | hi tcohen |
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| 22:07 | tcohen | wizzyrea: do u know if chris hall would be available for koha-gitify PRs? |
| 22:09 | wizzyrea | I don't know, but he's usually receptive to that sort of thing |
| 22:12 | rangi | tell him it should be part of his 20% time, if google still do that |
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| 22:21 | tcohen | rangi: will do |
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