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06:27 | cait | morning #koha |
06:29 | magnuse | kia ora cait |
06:30 | cait | morning magnuse! |
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06:50 | reiveune | hello |
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06:54 | alex_a | bonjour |
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07:26 | magnuse | anyone got any experience with self checks that do offline circ? so if koha is offline the self check machine saves the circ operations and then communicates them to koha when koha is online again? |
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07:41 | fridolin | hie alllllllll |
07:42 | I'm back to work | |
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08:12 | cait | wb fridolin :) |
08:23 | fridolin | cait: hello how are u ? |
08:24 | cait | buuusy |
08:24 | how are you and the family? | |
08:56 | magnuse | welcome back fridolin |
08:57 | fridolin | magnuse: hie |
08:57 | nice to see u again | |
08:57 | I'm a father now with a 3 years old little girl | |
08:58 | what a job, i'm happy to come back to work :D | |
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09:02 | magnuse | it can be a bit of a challenge, yeah :-) |
09:02 | * magnuse | has a son who is almost 4 |
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09:27 | fridolin | magnuse: a chance I have found a new passion : golf |
09:27 | you must be zen to play 8-) | |
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09:32 | marcelr | hi #koha |
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10:32 | Vinod | Hi All |
10:33 | I have got some error in the web-opac near search field as like <<<<<<< HEAD======= >>>>>>> Bug 13144: Google transliteration does not work on bootstrap | |
10:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13144 normal, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, CLOSED FIXED, Google transliteration does not work on bootstrap |
10:34 | Vinod | Why this error might come can any one help me out? |
10:35 | yes huginn This bug is closed but that is coming near the search field | |
10:35 | how can i fix that? | |
10:37 | can any body help? | |
10:55 | magnuse | Vinod: that is a git thing. it means a patch was applied and there was some conflict |
10:55 | how did you install koha? | |
10:56 | this looks like it might be helpful, if you have a git/gitified install and applied some patch(es) yourself: https://help.github.com/articl[…]the-command-line/ | |
10:57 | cait | um |
10:57 | opac news only visible when logged in... did i miss something there? | |
10:58 | magnuse | yeah, we decided to keep the good news to ourselves ;-) |
10:58 | cait | oh? :) |
11:00 | magnuse | wasn't there some work on displaying news only from your library when you are logged in? sounds like it might be related to that |
11:00 | just a hunch, though | |
11:00 | kia ora khall | |
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11:02 | magnuse | fridolin: you got time for that? :-O |
11:08 | cait | magnuse: hm good thinking - i will check if there is a library setting in this vresion |
11:11 | magnuse++ thx! | |
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11:40 | magnuse | oleonard! |
11:41 | oleonard | magnuse! |
11:44 | druthb | oleonard! magnuse! cait! |
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11:45 | oleonard | Was there not a meeting yesterday? |
11:46 | cait | oleonard: there would have been - but not enough participants |
11:47 | oleonard | Sorry, terrible time for me to try to make a meeting. |
11:48 | Vinod | magnuse: Thanks for the reply |
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11:52 | oleonard | Hi Oak |
11:52 | Oak | hello oleonard :) |
11:52 | * Oak | waves |
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12:09 | oleonard | Oh, a new German support company? cait were you aware of them? |
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12:15 | cait | yes |
12:16 | oleonard: where di you see it? | |
12:16 | oleonard | On the mailing list |
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12:33 | tcohen | bonjour |
12:33 | Oak | hello tcohen |
12:43 | magnuse | Oak |
12:43 | Oak | magnuse |
12:43 | \o/ | |
12:45 | magnuse | \o/ |
12:45 | Oak: you got yourself a company too? | |
12:45 | Oak | Yes :) Working on it. |
12:45 | Working on the website at the moment. | |
12:45 | magnuse | cool |
12:45 | good place to start :-) | |
12:45 | Oak | thanks! |
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13:14 | cait | oleonard: thx! |
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14:03 | Oak | later guys |
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14:28 | kivilahtio | khall: Have you noticed that when you have definitions in log4perl.conf for opac, intranet, sip, commandline, ... and opac.log is used by user www-data, and sip.log is used by koha, there is a problem with file permissions |
14:29 | khall: looks like every time Log::Log4perl is instantiated, it tries to open filehandles for all the defined Appender | |
14:29 | khall | no that in particular, but yeah, log permissions are a serious headache. |
14:30 | kivilahtio | khall: well I got it. I have a feature that is ran by www-data and koha |
14:30 | khall: I was asking if you have any suggestions on how to fix it. | |
14:30 | khall: I was planning on splitting the log4perl.conf to each Koha subsystem | |
14:30 | like log4perl.opac.conf | |
14:31 | and load the config by the C4::Context->interface | |
14:31 | another option is to mae modifications to Log::Log4perl | |
14:31 | which might not be too difficult | |
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14:32 | khall | hmm, I worry that splitting the conf may lead to limited flexibility and more complication long term, but I've not real example |
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14:33 | kivilahtio | khall: I completely agree |
14:33 | khall | maybe look at patching Log4perl first, and use that as a fallback |
14:34 | edveal | Has anyone in here come up with a good way to validate phone numbers. I have tried using the code that is in the jQuery library but have had issues with it. Any suggestions? |
14:34 | kivilahtio | edveal: we got such a validator from our ministry of something |
14:34 | you could ask there. There must be a big authoritys handing out phone umbers in your country | |
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14:35 | kivilahtio | edveal: actually I think lari has a patch in bugzilla about validators |
14:35 | oleonard | edveal: What have you tried, and what didn't work? |
14:35 | kivilahtio | edveal: but afaik the phone number validator can be chosen and not implemented for your country |
14:35 | I mean a validator implementation fitting your country is not there in Koha | |
14:36 | oleonard | kivilahtio: Are you talking about finding actual valid numbers, or matching the correct format? |
14:36 | edveal | Sorry I mean just checking to verify that the number is in a specific structure when adding a patron. |
14:36 | kivilahtio | oleonard: matching a format |
14:36 | oleonard: the regexp we got from the ministy is a monster | |
14:37 | oleonard | edveal: One of the problems I've run into is the issue of how flexible you want it to be |
14:37 | edveal | oleonard, I have tried using what is in the Koha jQuery library and it seems to work unless the field is blank. Then the validation fails. I need something that is more flexible. |
14:37 | kivilahtio | edveal: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]44705&action=diff |
14:37 | line 101 | |
14:38 | oleonard | is both (555) 555-1212 and 555-555-1212 okay, for instance |
14:38 | edveal | No they want it to either be blank or 555-555-1212. |
14:39 | kivilahtio | the feature even has PageObject test coverage!! |
14:39 | it is so cool :) | |
14:39 | edveal | oleonard I tried the html phone validation and that didn’t work either. |
14:40 | pianohacker was not able to get the HTML5 validation to work either. Very puzzing. | |
14:40 | I started with HTML5 validation | |
14:42 | oleonard | edveal I use this regular expression in some SQL reports for finding bad phone numbers: ^([0-9]{3})\-([0-9]{3})\-([0-9]{4})$ |
14:42 | edveal | Ah so you run a report to search for them and then they can be fixed... |
14:43 | kivilahtio | edveal: that is certainly what we did for a awhile |
14:43 | edveal: it is much better to fix the problem at its root | |
14:43 | edveal | I agree |
14:43 | oleonard | edveal: The trouble we have here is that staff want to put other text into the phone number field besides the phone number |
14:43 | kivilahtio | edveal: you dont need to do so much explaining to your patrons when they dont receive their sms'es |
14:43 | oleonard | like "555-555-1212 mom's phone" |
14:43 | kivilahtio | oleonard: validator blocks this. That is why we have custom borrower attrbiutes and notes |
14:44 | oleonard: that crashed our prcoess_message_queue.pl | |
14:44 | well it is patched now :) | |
14:44 | oleonard | kivilahtio: We don't have any automated notifications which use phone number, so we have some wiggle room. |
14:45 | kivilahtio | one of the biggest issues regarding the problems we have had with Koha are non-stnadard field usage. In database tables and in MARC Records |
14:45 | mom's number being a prime example | |
14:46 | I guess we could implement a feture where only the valid matching part of the phone number would be used, and rest just ignored for automatic purposes? | |
14:46 | this would work well with the validator | |
14:46 | validator extracts matching parts | |
14:46 | everybody is happy | |
14:46 | if no matching part, phone number doesnt validate | |
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15:00 | reiveune | bye |
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15:09 | tcohen | hi |
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16:02 | kivilahtio | tcohen: hi |
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16:03 | tcohen | hi kivilahtio |
16:03 | kivilahtio | khall: I fixed the multiuser scenario with Appender property create_at_logtime=true |
16:03 | khall | excellent! |
16:03 | kivilahtio | khall: but I have issues with making Koha::Logger work under apache2 |
16:03 | khall: wont log when ran from mod_perl | |
16:03 | khall: but works fine from the commandline when I try all interfaces | |
16:04 | khall | odd, wonder why that is |
16:04 | kivilahtio | I mean jury-rig commandline to be interpreted as for ex. opac |
16:04 | khall: Does it work for you? | |
16:04 | from apache2 | |
16:05 | khall | I haven't tested it any way except cgi |
16:06 | kivilahtio | khall: maybe I made a mistake, I thought mod_perl is the same as the mod_cgi |
16:06 | I meant mod_cgi. The old and slow script-based solution | |
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16:26 | drojf | hi #koha |
16:34 | oleonard | Oh wow, I did not realize my follow-up for Bug 11565 got pushed. |
16:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11565 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , decreaseLoanHighHolds needs Override |
16:34 | oleonard | When I saw the "settings" link on the checkout page I thought I had my branches mixed up |
16:35 | drojf | so the meeting did not happen yesterday? |
16:36 | oleonard | No they cancelled it because you and I weren't there drojf. |
16:36 | drojf | heh good choice ;) |
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16:40 | drojf | several people complained to me about relevance ranking in koha. is that a known something? never had to do with it because nobody complained before |
16:42 | oleonard | drojf: Yeah some people say it doesn't work and others don't have a problem with it. But the real issue seems to be no one really knows how it works. |
16:42 | drojf | yes that is what i imagined. lol |
16:43 | oleonard | http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]6-05-09#i_1820535 |
16:43 | drojf | i had somebody show me it does not work yesterday. so i know its a thing, at least for some. i would at least expect searchword-in-title to rank higher than searchword-somewhere-in-keywords |
16:43 | hahaha | |
16:43 | thanks oleonard | |
16:45 | bug 12431 | |
16:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12431 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Relevance does not work properly when using QueryParser |
16:45 | drojf | bug 12430 |
16:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12430 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, In Discussion , Truncation disables relevance ranking when not using QueryParser |
16:46 | drojf | so at least i intuitively changed the right sysprefs, did not help anyway |
16:55 | oleonard | It's an embarrassment, really, for Koha that we don't know how that works let alone make it better. |
16:58 | drojf | i was never aware that there is a problem. i dont cate about relevance because googl etold me nobody knows what is relevant for me |
16:58 | kivilahtio | khall: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=16509 |
16:58 | huginn | 04Bug 16509: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , Koha::Logger dies when log4perl.conf has FileAppender files with different owners, also compatibility with logrotate |
16:59 | kivilahtio | khall: it has no issues with mod_cgi |
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16:59 | kivilahtio | khall: that was my mistake confusig different dev environments |
16:59 | khall | cool, I'll check that out! |
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16:59 | t4nk927 | hello |
16:59 | kivilahtio | t4nk927: hi there |
16:59 | t4nk927 | Can you help me with Koha installation |
16:59 | kivilahtio | t4nk927: Do you like t4nks? |
17:00 | t4nk927: it depends | |
17:01 | t4nk927: I guess most of us here have installed Koha at some point | |
17:01 | t4nk927 | Can you tell me the latest 3.22 can be installed on Windows? |
17:02 | kivilahtio | t4nk927: I am sorry. I cannot help you with that. I am not very pro-Microsoft |
17:02 | oleonard | t4nk927: No, not directly. |
17:02 | kivilahtio | t4nk927: but I am sure somebody here has |
17:02 | t4nk927: if you are starting to learn Koha, you hsould deploy it on Ubuntu 14.04. It is very straightforward | |
17:03 | oleonard | t4nk927: You could install something like VirtualBox on Windows and run Koha inside that, but it would be suitable only for testing. |
17:03 | kivilahtio | t4nk927: It is very simple to install it from debian packages |
17:03 | t4nk927 | why is it difficult to run on Windows |
17:04 | kivilahtio | t4nk927: because Koha is a community product, and nobody here runs it on Windows. |
17:04 | t4nk927: so when programming Koha, nobody tests the developments against Windows | |
17:04 | and then most certainly it wont work on Windows, unless you invest a lot of time and effort to retrofit it to work there | |
17:05 | t4nk927 | if I run it on Windows will it be a problem? |
17:05 | kivilahtio | t4nk927: if you would do the effort, then somebody here would maintain the Windows version of Koha |
17:05 | t4nk927: I don't think you can run it on Windows | |
17:05 | t4nk927 | As far as I know we can |
17:05 | kivilahtio | t4nk927: oleonard said you should run Linux on your Windwos machine |
17:05 | t4nk927: then, like I said I cannot help you :) | |
17:06 | pianohacker | @later tell rangi what's the state of the ES browse code? (http://browse.koha.catalystdem[…]a/opac-browse.pl) |
17:06 | huginn | pianohacker: The operation succeeded. |
17:06 | t4nk927 | Any one here |
17:06 | oleonard | t4nk927: As far as anyone knows it is not possible to install Koha on Windows. |
17:07 | t4nk927 | As far as I know one can |
17:07 | oleonard | t4nk927: Who says? |
17:07 | t4nk927 | I have done it previously |
17:07 | oleonard | t4nk927: If you think you can, you're welcome to try it. |
17:08 | kivilahtio | t4nk927: Yes. I would love to see how it goes :) While working at it you could write install instructions to our wiki |
17:08 | t4nk927: here is one of hte many for Ubuntu | |
17:08 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ubuntu_-_packages | |
17:08 | t4nk927: also Redhat is not very popular system to run Koha on | |
17:08 | t4nk927: I recommend you use Ubuntu 14.04 | |
17:09 | t4nk927 | I know |
17:09 | kivilahtio | t4nk927: You don't need to be a hard-core linux guyy. Just a regular dude will do ;) |
17:09 | t4nk927 | but I can't change my home PC |
17:09 | OS | |
17:09 | here is one example what I am talking about http://www.koha.rwjr.com/ | |
17:09 | kivilahtio | install Ubuntu 14.04 on a virtual machine on your Windows-PC |
17:09 | there are a ton of guides online for that | |
17:09 | maybe you will even love Ubuntu! | |
17:10 | nowadays it is super great | |
17:10 | it even has Steam in it ! | |
17:10 | Steam++++ | |
17:10 | t4nk927 | I have worked on Ubuntu no uduntu its good |
17:10 | oleonard | t4nk927: That documentation is 10 years old |
17:10 | kivilahtio | oleonard: :) |
17:10 | t4nk927: maybe you should ask those guys? | |
17:11 | t4nk927: not everybody who uses Koha hangs around here regularly, like me | |
17:11 | t4nk927 | I understand thats the reason I am asking if its possible as well |
17:11 | kivilahtio | can't help you with Windows sorry. |
17:12 | oleonard | t4nk927: You're asking if it's possible and we're saying no. You say yes. Try it and find out. |
17:12 | t4nk927: None of us will be able to help you. | |
17:12 | t4nk927 | Any one else I hope may know |
17:13 | kivilahtio | t4nk927: ask those guys from the link you posted to us. |
17:13 | email is cheap | |
17:14 | oleonard | Be sure to send the email back in time 10 years. |
17:15 | kivilahtio | oleonard: :) |
17:15 | t4nk927 | haha |
17:15 | Where do u work? | |
17:15 | kivilahtio | Finland, Vaara-kirjastot |
17:17 | t4nk927: and you? | |
17:17 | t4nk927 | nice to meet you Sir |
17:17 | I am from India | |
17:17 | in a college library | |
17:18 | kivilahtio | t4nk927: I have one thing to say to all public sector employees. Use linux, save your tax-payers money |
17:18 | t4nk927 | because it is OSS? |
17:18 | kivilahtio | UK had a great idea for making OdenDocument standard mandatory in the public sector |
17:18 | UK had a great idea for making OpenDocument standard mandatory in the public sector | |
17:19 | t4nk927: for starters | |
17:23 | then the public sector employs local people, and has more money to spend on, for ex developing Koha :) | |
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17:25 | jim_ | any one here |
17:29 | hello | |
17:29 | kivilahtio | jim_: hello? |
17:30 | jim_: there are ~61 users online | |
17:32 | jim_ | I see |
17:32 | but I only see u | |
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17:49 | jim_ | hello\ |
17:50 | knock knock | |
17:50 | oleonard | Hi jim_, do you have a question? |
17:50 | jim_ | I have but you can't solve |
17:51 | What do u work as | |
17:51 | oleonard | I work as a web developer for a public library in Ohio, USA. |
17:52 | jim_ | Wow nice |
17:52 | honored to meet you | |
17:56 | any one else here | |
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18:59 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
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20:16 | rangi | pianohacker: i think the patches were all submitted |
20:16 | pianohacker | hm. |
20:19 | cait | pianohacker: got your flights and all? :) |
20:19 | * andreashm | waves |
20:20 | cait | hi andreashm :) |
20:21 | andreashm | hi cait |
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20:36 | andreashm | reading the logs |
20:36 | drojf: looking at relevance? | |
20:37 | drojf | andreashm: a little |
20:38 | but it looks like i destroyed my dev vm. oops | |
20:38 | andreashm | saw that there are two bugs regarding truncation and queryparser. seems relevance gets screwed any which way it is set. |
20:38 | drojf: ouch | |
20:40 | drojf | there is no relevance. relevance in the default zebra settings is order by biblionumber. i don't know about the queryparser, but without there is nothing relevant in relevance ranking at the moment |
20:40 | cait | hm |
20:40 | there is some code to boost some fields i think | |
20:40 | but ... ok, i got no idea | |
20:41 | drojf | that is about broader and narrower terms. if we mean the same thing |
20:41 | cait | just thought it used to work? in some ways at least? |
20:41 | drojf | in the way that it sorts by biblionumber i guess :) |
20:41 | cait | i think i wa sthinking field weighting |
20:42 | drojf | me too |
20:42 | andreashm | drojf: order by biblionumber? really? |
20:42 | drojf | andreashm: try it |
20:43 | * andreashm | is scared too |
20:45 | drojf | maybe there is a magical combination of settings that gets something more relevant out of it |
20:45 | andreashm | hopefully |
20:45 | drojf | i have not found that part in the code thoug |
20:45 | though | |
20:46 | (which does not mean much in the search module labyrinth) | |
20:46 | andreashm | Regarding the OAI harvester thing that I asked about the other day, if was indeed a missing dependency. |
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20:50 | andreashm | That sorted, I immediately run into another problem. 'bangs head against the wall' |
20:51 | liw | I want to sell a small cushion with a headband that you put on your forehead to make headbanging less painful |
20:53 | andreashm | liw: I'll buy one. |
20:54 | drojf | i'll buy shares of your startup! |
20:56 | liw | :) |
21:08 | drojf | i think a part of zebra rebuild is picking up the wrong koha-conf.xml in my dev vm |
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21:15 | * cait | waves at kathryn |
21:15 | cait | drojf: did you check in? i still have to |
21:15 | kathryn | hi cait |
21:16 | drojf | no. i was waiting for you to try |
21:16 | cait | hm |
21:16 | drojf | 23:16:03-12/05 zebraidx(1899) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=__ZEBRA_LOCK_DIR__/biblios/norm..LCK [No such file or directory] |
21:16 | cait | it's too late tonight, tomorrow |
21:17 | drojf | i get that a thousand times. why would it look in __ZEBRA_LOCK_DIR__ |
21:17 | unless it uses the wrong koha-conf.xml | |
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21:32 | drojf | good night #koha |
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22:09 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16489: ES code incorrectly refers to Moose <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]18fedf752984dfee3> |
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22:20 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16474: Standardize spelling of EDIFACT <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a32256ec5bfd2964b> / Bug 16412: Cache undef in L1 only <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e8b08c3931f23234a> / Bug 16412: Make sure Koha::Cache->set_in_cache will not warn anymore <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]git;a=commitdiff; |
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22:30 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16473: Fix typo "an problem" vs "a problem" <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0392e9ab67d201e00> / Bug 16480: Unclosed tag in shelves line 332 on intranet <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]861d8096720965c61> |
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22:46 | oleonard | Hey anyone around to give me a sanity check? If I'm composing a notice and select multiple fields and insert them at once... |
22:47 | I get this: <<branches.branchname, branches.branchaddress2, branches.branchzip>> | |
22:47 | That's not gonna work, right? | |
22:47 | pianohacker | oleonard: pretty certain no |
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23:37 | dcook | Hey wizzyrea, are you around atm? |
23:37 | I have a koha-gitify question... | |
23:39 | Or anyone who uses koha-gitify... | |
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23:43 | dan_ | Hello everyone |
23:43 | In the zebra output log, what means the line "[warn] cs_listen failed [Too many open files]" (repeated a hundred times)? (log found after zebra srv process was dead) | |
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