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| 00:19 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15868: Ask for confirmation when deleting a MMT action <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d249232a573375468> |
| 00:35 | florent | rangi: do I need to worry about test failures when running make test? |
| 00:35 | wizzyrea | yes :) (sorry) |
| 00:36 | rangi | depends on the failure, generally yes, but sometimes someone put a test in the wrong place, ie it depends on the db |
| 00:36 | if that is the case, you can ignore it | |
| 00:37 | so if the error is anything to do with mysql .. ignore, any other error, yep have to fix it | |
| 00:42 | florent | No visible issue with mysql. I will look at the problems (3 failures, many warnings) |
| 00:49 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16077 - Remove unused script and template card-print <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f585676abe49efb73> |
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| 00:59 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16020 - Remove unused CSS and images following label creator UX changes <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5d202692700b4ba20> / Bug 16023 - Use Font Awesome icons on audio alerts page <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]88058ae8b3d12da22> / Bug 16029: Hide patron toolbar if patron does not exist <http://git.koha-comm |
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| 01:03 | wizzyrea | florent: the warnings are pretty normal, sadly |
| 01:08 | florent | wizzyrea: good to know. I sorted 2 test failures: ttf-dejavu font was not installed |
| 01:09 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: DBREV for Bug 16019 - Remove unused blue.css <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]30b689ae9905e9466> / Bug 16019 - Remove unused blue.css <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]52d61f02aeac22902> / Bug 16019: Add a warning in the update DB process if intranetcolorstylesheet=blue.css <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=ko |
| 01:10 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
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| 01:19 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15984 - Correct templates which use the phrase "issuing rules" <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f72abd8ab02cf9ad6> |
| 01:49 | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16106 Correct loose to lose in comment <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8596f1d9e5e699315> / Bug 15421: Show 'Duplicate' and 'Schedule' on Reports toolbar <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]430ea07cdd3513148> | |
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| 03:30 | wizzyrea | hm, I wonder if there's a bug for "ttf-dejavu not being installed breaks tests" I feel like that should be a requirement |
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| 03:47 | florent | wizzyrea: I moved from Master to 3.22.x branch and add several more dependencies only showing through make test. |
| 03:47 | wizzyrea: koha is working now. I took notes, we can discuss then I might restart a clean install | |
| 03:48 | wizzyrea | ah coolio |
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| 06:58 | * cait | waves |
| 07:08 | cait | @later tell oleonard could you take a look at the suggested change to the checkout screen on bug 11565 maybe? |
| 07:08 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
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| 07:18 | drojf | morning |
| 07:19 | magnuse | moin drojf |
| 07:19 | drojf | hei magnuse |
| 07:29 | magnuse | ah, meeting today? |
| 07:29 | in 11.5 hours? | |
| 07:32 | cait | morning drojf and magnuse |
| 07:32 | happy belated birthday drojf :) | |
| 07:32 | bbiab ;) | |
| 07:32 | hm and in case someone sees it... my opac is totally broken - need help (see comment on bug 11998) | |
| 07:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11998 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Syspref caching issues |
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| 07:50 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:50 | wahanui | que tal, reiveune |
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| 07:54 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:54 | wahanui | niihau, alex_a |
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| 08:34 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 09:18 | magnuse | letsencrypt++ |
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| 10:29 | drojf | thanks cait |
| 10:29 | oh shes gone | |
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| 11:52 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 12:09 | francharb | hello #koha |
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| 12:12 | tcohen | bongiorno |
| 12:23 | Joubu: thanks (?) for failing my patch, I completely forgot about the followup | |
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| 14:16 | oleonard | Group checkout settings in an expandable panel? http://zivotdesign.com/p/#1/14586558297113 |
| 14:17 | Prompted by the discussion on Bug 11565 | |
| 14:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11565 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , decreaseLoanHighHolds needs Override |
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| 14:41 | cbrannon | https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=14095 |
| 14:41 | huginn | 04Bug 14095: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Automatic Renewal Enhancements |
| 14:43 | oleonard | Yeah it is interesting that automatic renewal is the only "checkout setting" which isn't turned on and off via a pref. |
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| 14:47 | cbrannon | Especially since default behavior for specific patrons or types IS a setting in the Circulation Rules. |
| 14:54 | oleonard | It just goes to show that some settings seem very important to some libraries and not to others. |
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| 15:18 | cait | oleonard: i like it |
| 15:18 | oleonard | Instead of having both OnSiteCheckouts and OnSiteCheckoutsForce, shouldn't we have one preference with the options "enable," "disable," and "require?" |
| 15:18 | cait | i think it was just something that we missed |
| 15:18 | we could still introduce a pref for auto renew on checkout | |
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| 15:19 | cait | it's separate from the circ rules - it allows you to set any item to auto renewal, independent from circuation conditions |
| 15:22 | oleonard: good idea for the pref | |
| 15:22 | hm but require only applies to debarred | |
| 15:22 | so maybe it doesn't fit into one | |
| 15:22 | cbrannon | cait: a pref would be preferable. ;) Although, should it be a setting in the circ rules? One under each library, and one under default? That way each library has the option, and if it is set in the default, that overrides all libraries? |
| 15:23 | cait | there is no precedence for that reaqlly right now |
| 15:23 | so that would be more difficult | |
| 15:23 | we might want to have a complete new configuration page | |
| 15:23 | if we start breaking the prefs down to branches and not into the circulation conditions table | |
| 15:24 | i mean... i am not sure where to place it - but I think circ rules could get a bit crowded :) | |
| 15:24 | oleonard | You're right cait I misunderstood the use of OnSiteCheckoutsForce |
| 15:24 | cait | ... and sorry if i make no sense, just tell me. had a day full of meetings so far |
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| 15:25 | cbrannon | cait: Isn't that a precedence we would want to set and work towards? It seems like it would be the right place, and in a way we do that with circ rules already. It is circ related. |
| 15:25 | cait | hm yeah, but it would be another table there |
| 15:25 | i am just not sure where to place ti - I am fine with the general idea | |
| 15:26 | i mean having the option makes sense, as it would for a lot of prefs | |
| 15:26 | cbrannon | I think that would be okay, as long as it makes sense. |
| 15:26 | cait | maybe it would also be interestng to have it by patron category... and library... to complicate things a bit more :) |
| 15:27 | cbrannon | I think it would make sense for use to migrate more of the circ prefs to the circ rules pages, as they are enhanced and fixed. |
| 15:30 | you know, it is a step towards granularity, which make the ILS more appealing and useful. Complicated, yes, but I will take a little complication over having my hands tied any day. | |
| 15:37 | https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=16121 | |
| 15:37 | huginn | 04Bug 16121: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Reports need a counter of uses, and date of last use |
| 15:41 | cait | cbrannon: really, i think it's a good thing :) i like prefs, but i like granular things even more :) |
| 15:41 | pianohacker | cait: this is one of the problems the new circ rules editor will hopefully solve :) |
| 15:41 | also hi y'all | |
| 15:43 | cait | hi pianohacker |
| 15:43 | maybe we make a pref... and later move it? | |
| 15:47 | cbrannon | why move it later when you can start working towards the end goal? |
| 15:47 | https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=16122 | |
| 15:47 | huginn | 04Bug 16122: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Item record needs to keep Local Use count |
| 15:48 | cait | pianohacker: are you around for a while longer today? maybe tonight before the meeting? |
| 15:48 | ah... maybe the wrong to ask | |
| 15:48 | i need someone involved with caching patches | |
| 15:48 | to help me figure out why my opac is broken :) | |
| 15:49 | actually more a :( | |
| 15:51 | pianohacker | well that's worrisome |
| 15:51 | cait: which caching paches? | |
| 15:51 | cait | syspref cache patch |
| 15:51 | it's ok, i am a bit confused | |
| 15:52 | maybe it will be easy to figure out - but have to get to my laptop first | |
| 15:53 | pianohacker | cait: I've been working pretty heavily with the caching patches, and I'll be in until 21 UTC |
| 15:53 | cait | hm might be long enough, i will just shout out here if i can't get it working |
| 15:53 | broken opac is not very handy for qa :) | |
| 15:54 | tcohen | hi cait |
| 15:55 | cait | hi tcohen |
| 16:06 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:07 | pianohacker | cait: broken roughly how? |
| 16:07 | oleonard | Bug 16125 |
| 16:08 | Bug 16125? | |
| 16:08 | lazy bots. | |
| 16:09 | cait | ah i left the error on the bug -i already got a hint |
| 16:10 | bug 11998 | |
| 16:10 | wahanui | bug 11998 is probably ready for signoff if anyone wants something to do... |
| 16:10 | cait | was just wondering if someone will be around if i don't figure it out |
| 16:10 | https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=11998 | |
| 16:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11998 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Syspref caching issues |
| 16:10 | 04Bug 11998: major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Syspref caching issues | |
| 16:11 | oleonard | huginn why you gotta be that way? |
| 16:11 | huginn | oleonard: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 16:11 | cbrannon | oleonard: 16125, I think the Edit, Change Password, and Duplcate should be combined into a dropdown, and add Add message to it. |
| 16:13 | oleonard | Edit, change password, duplicate, renew, delete, update child to patron, set permissions. They could all be under edit. |
| 16:16 | cbrannon | Agreed, although I'm up in the air about delete. I think the dangerous button should be kept away from the others. |
| 16:17 | oleonard | We include delete in the "edit" menu for bibliographic records |
| 16:18 | cait | there is also a confirm i think? |
| 16:18 | or i hope there is :) | |
| 16:20 | cbrannon | I hope. There should be. |
| 16:20 | oleonard | There is a confirm on the patron delete menu item |
| 16:20 | cbrannon | Okay. Let's just throw it all in the mix then. :) |
| 16:21 | pianohacker | does anybody know why fastmmap caching was added to begin with? |
| 16:22 | it feels on the face of it like a rather poor compromise if memcached isn't installed | |
| 16:29 | cait | no idea |
| 16:29 | i think they want to kill it? looking at the other bu | |
| 16:29 | g | |
| 16:36 | oleonard | Ugh, of /course/ I can't put an "add message" button in the toolbar... the add message feature only works on circulation.pl |
| 16:36 | Boo. | |
| 16:37 | cbrannon | Well, make it work everywhere too. :P |
| 16:38 | oleonard | That seems to be today's refrain: "Make it work everywhere" |
| 16:43 | cbrannon | Gotta run. It's been fun. See you folks later. |
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| 16:58 | oleonard | Patron image upload fails without warning sometimes... maybe because file size is too large? |
| 16:58 | gaetan_B | bye |
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| 17:55 | Karl_H | Hello, I have a question about installing Koha from these directions: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]a_on_ubuntu_-_git |
| 17:56 | When I try to install koha-deps and koha-perldeps I get an error saying koha-perldeps : Depends: libnet-z3950-zoom-perl but it is not going to be installed | |
| 17:57 | Is anyone else running into problems with perl dependencies in ubuntu? | |
| 17:59 | I tried using cpan to update, no luck. I even tried compiling perl 5.22.1 from source but it doesn't seem to make a difference. | |
| 17:59 | eythian | I suggest putting the whole command and output into a paste, also specify versions. |
| 18:00 | And don't go compiling stuff yourself, it will cause problems and solve none. | |
| 18:00 | Seen it all before :) | |
| 18:00 | wahanui | I haven't seen 'it', eythian |
| 18:00 | eythian | wahanui: hush |
| 18:00 | wahanui | eythian: sorry... |
| 18:01 | pianohacker | Karl_H: do you have the indexdata repositories enabled? |
| 18:01 | eythian | pianohacker: unless things have changed, they're not needed |
| 18:01 | Karl_H | I followed the directions on the wiki up until the part where it asks you to do the following |
| 18:01 | khokohatest3:~$ sudo apt-get install koha-deps koha-perldeps make |
|
| 18:01 | Reading package lists... Done | |
| 18:01 | Building dependency tree | |
| 18:01 | Reading state information... Done | |
| 18:01 | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have | |
| 18:01 | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable | |
| 18:01 | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created | |
| 18:01 | or been moved out of Incoming. | |
| 18:02 | The following information may help to resolve the situation: | |
| 18:02 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | |
| 18:02 | koha-deps : Depends: idzebra-2.0 but it is not going to be installed | |
| 18:02 | Depends: yaz but it is not going to be installed | |
| 18:02 | wahanui | i already had it that way, Karl_H. |
| 18:02 | Karl_H | koha-perldeps : Depends: libnet-z3950-zoom-perl but it is not going to be installed |
| 18:02 | wahanui | i already had it that way, Karl_H. |
| 18:02 | Karl_H | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 18:02 | eythian | Use a Pastebin |
| 18:02 | Karl_H | sorry |
| 18:03 | pianohacker | common mistake :) |
| 18:03 | eythian | But also, you need to say what versions you're using, what you're installing on, etc. |
| 18:04 | Karl_H | Okay, I'm installing on Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS |
| 18:05 | I'll get a pastebin up in a bit with the full set of commands and outputs | |
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| 18:05 | eythian | That should be supported. |
| 18:06 | That'd be good. Also, "apt-cache policy" on all the package names involved. | |
| 18:07 | (also, is there a specific reason you're trying to install the git version?) | |
| 18:08 | There are good reasons to do that, they're just not so common 🙂 | |
| 18:09 | Karl_H | do I need to clone the git repository first, before installing the kohadeps or should that not matter |
| 18:10 | eythian | It shouldn't matter |
| 18:13 | Karl_H | okay |
| 18:14 | I just tried it again and I'm having more luck. I think I must've copied and pasted something wrong last time I tried it | |
| 18:15 | eythian | That can happen too |
| 18:18 | oleonard | Bugs bugs bugs. |
| 18:18 | Karl_H | I think I just must've missed a repository somewhere, its not giving me the same error anymore. Thanks for helping though. |
| 18:19 | eythian | wahanui: bugs |
| 18:19 | wahanui | i guess bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too. |
| 18:19 | eythian | That's less exciting than I hoped |
| 18:20 | oleonard | Does anyone here use the new discharge feature? |
| 18:22 | eythian | Sounds medical. |
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| 18:24 | oleonard | I know. Blech. |
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| 18:25 | eythian | So maybe a medical library uses it. |
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| 18:25 | oleonard | :P |
| 18:36 | pianohacker | oleonard: mostly french libraries, to my understanding |
| 18:37 | cait | meeting in 20? |
| 18:38 | oleonard | leaving in 20 :( |
| 18:38 | * oleonard | leaves his votes in a pile for someone to hand out. |
| 18:39 | cait | if you add an apology and a vote to the wiki, we can use that :) |
| 18:44 | * eythian | takes the votes |
| 18:44 | offers them to the highest bidder | |
| 18:53 | cait | heh |
| 18:54 | oleonard | Have a nice meeting, everyone. |
| 18:57 | cait | meeting in 3 |
| 19:01 | ok | |
| 19:02 | #startmeeting Development IRC Meeting 22 March 2016 | |
| 19:02 | huginn | Meeting started Tue Mar 22 19:02:19 2016 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 19:02 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 19:02 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC Meeting 22 March 2016) | |
| 19:02 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_22_march_2016' |
| 19:02 | cait | #topic Introductions |
| 19:02 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC Meeting 22 March 2016) | |
| 19:02 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 19:02 | cait | please introduce yourself with #info, following wahanui's example |
| 19:02 | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany | |
| 19:02 | #chair bag | |
| 19:02 | huginn | Current chairs: bag cait |
| 19:02 | cait | today's agenda is at |
| 19:03 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ing_22_March_2016 | |
| 19:03 | hm anyone around? | |
| 19:03 | pianohacker: ? | |
| 19:03 | bag | hello |
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| 19:04 | bag | #info Brendan Gallagher - ByWater |
| 19:04 | pianohacker | #info Jesse Weaver - ByWater |
| 19:04 | we aren't too late for EU and too early for NZ, are we? | |
| 19:04 | gmcharlt | #info Galen Charlton - ESI |
| 19:05 | eythian | wahanui: anyone around is <reply>no one but us, $who |
| 19:05 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 19:05 | cait | it's 8pm in europe, so after work hours |
| 19:05 | eythian | 8am in NZ |
| 19:06 | cait | kind of in between i guess |
| 19:07 | pianohacker | guess we can wait until 15 after or so for stragglers? |
| 19:08 | cait | yeah, let's wait a bit |
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| 19:11 | cait | rangi is still on the bus |
| 19:11 | hi drojf - please introduce yourself | |
| 19:12 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions |
| 19:13 | jajm | #info Julian Maurice, BibLibre |
| 19:14 | cait | ok |
| 19:14 | I think we can continue | |
| 19:14 | pianohacker | barton is coming |
| 19:14 | cait | #Announcements |
| 19:14 | #topic Announcements | |
| 19:14 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC Meeting 22 March 2016) | |
| 19:14 | barton | #info Barton Chittenden, Bywater Solutions, Louisville KY, USA |
| 19:14 | cait | bag? |
| 19:14 | wahanui | it's his birthday! |
| 19:14 | bag | HA |
| 19:15 | not much to report. working on PQA | |
| 19:15 | barton | I thought it was Trae's birthday. |
| 19:15 | bag | I also plan to have a talk with gmcharlt later this week dealing with a URL::Encode package isue |
| 19:15 | gmcharlt: and I have already communicated about this. More to follow | |
| 19:16 | cait | ok |
| 19:16 | bag | we both feel that it should be rewritten using some packages that are already in koha |
| 19:16 | now I just need to find someone to do that ;) | |
| 19:16 | * gmcharlt | sneezes |
| 19:16 | cait | I got something too: I'd like to remind about the GBSD on Thursday this week |
| 19:17 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]bug_squashing_day | |
| 19:18 | anything else? | |
| 19:18 | wahanui | anything else is just being crap |
| 19:18 | bag | any questions for me? |
| 19:18 | drojf | #info mirko tietgen, berlin, germany |
| 19:18 | cait | quiet... :) |
| 19:18 | ok, moving on | |
| 19:19 | #topic Review coding guidelines | |
| 19:19 | Topic for #koha is now Review coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC Meeting 22 March 2016) | |
| 19:19 | cait | there are no suggestions for new coding guidelines on the wiki |
| 19:19 | after discussion on the mailing list it was decided to remove PERL12 | |
| 19:19 | pianohacker | just killing that one |
| 19:20 | cait | and also remove the remaining versions from the source code |
| 19:20 | pianohacker: do you have the bug number on hand? | |
| 19:20 | pianohacker | no :/ |
| 19:21 | rangi | #info chris cormack, catalyst |
| 19:21 | cait | bug 16011 |
| 19:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16011 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Remove $VERSION from our modules |
| 19:21 | cait | if noone disagrees i will log that as an info |
| 19:22 | #info PERL12 to be deleted, remaining $VERSION will be removed by bug 16011 | |
| 19:22 | pianohacker | fine by me |
| 19:22 | cait | i think no khall - and i think he won't have time for the revamp of the coding guidelnes for a bit longer :) |
| 19:23 | pianohacker | nope :) |
| 19:23 | cait | so i'd jump over that if noone wants to add something |
| 19:23 | pianohacker | do we want to vote on the idea, at least? |
| 19:23 | cait | we already did |
| 19:23 | he wanted to add a new page with the suggested changes | |
| 19:23 | and that was agreed on | |
| 19:24 | does someone have other things for thistopic? | |
| 19:25 | ok, moving on then | |
| 19:25 | #topic Bugs in discussion | |
| 19:25 | Topic for #koha is now Bugs in discussion (Meeting topic: Development IRC Meeting 22 March 2016) | |
| 19:25 | cait | bug 9254 |
| 19:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9254 enhancement, P2, ---, vfernandes, In Discussion , New option to block patrons from changing messaging preferences in OPAC |
| 19:25 | cait | A lot of people have asked for it, but it's kind of stuck |
| 19:26 | It would be great to get some comments and see this moving again | |
| 19:27 | there was some disagreement about which options to offer | |
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| 19:27 | pianohacker | bag: do we have any partners that can poke that who would want it? |
| 19:27 | bag | not sure |
| 19:27 | cait | we currently hide it with jquery for a lot of ours... but a pref would be nicer (and safer) |
| 19:28 | rangi | hmm |
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| 19:29 | rangi | seems the patches are a bit broken |
| 19:29 | cait | nengard commented she#d like it ;) |
| 19:29 | rangi | Works as described. But the patch only hides the link, |
| 19:29 | not disable the feature. If you refresh OPAC after unset | |
| 19:29 | EnhancedMessagingPreferencesOPAC, you can still change | |
| 19:29 | your messaging preferences. | |
| 19:29 | barton | pianohacker, bag: I had a ticket requesting that recently, I'll dig it up. |
| 19:29 | rangi | that doesn't seem finished to me |
| 19:29 | cait | thx |
| 19:30 | ... there are more stuck in discussion... but have to start somewhere :) | |
| 19:30 | anyone else? | |
| 19:30 | moving on? | |
| 19:31 | #topic General development discussion | |
| 19:31 | Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (Meeting topic: Development IRC Meeting 22 March 2016) | |
| 19:31 | cait | ok, there are 4 topics listed |
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| 19:31 | cait | we already discussed a bit about the merge of the borrowers tables at one of the last meetings |
| 19:31 | i am not sure if we have new info on this? | |
| 19:31 | pianohacker | I don't think so |
| 19:31 | and no Joubu | |
| 19:32 | cait | ok |
| 19:32 | Preventing XSS attacks | |
| 19:32 | our first attempt failed - anyone new info/ideas to share? | |
| 19:32 | rangi | no |
| 19:32 | just that it is the right direction | |
| 19:32 | it just has to be done in a faster way | |
| 19:33 | ie, everything should be escaped by default | |
| 19:33 | The approach was dead right, it was just not performant | |
| 19:33 | pianohacker | why was the previous one so slow? |
| 19:33 | cait | i tihnk being too many variables on some pages |
| 19:34 | bag | perhaps as we get more of the caching done - then we could retry that? see if it’s still such a big hit? |
| 19:34 | cait | adding up to a bigger performance issue |
| 19:34 | pianohacker | right, but a lot of those are completely unavoidable (without major rearchitecting) |
| 19:35 | bag: and the caching we've been adding wouldn't really affect that , unfortunately. | |
| 19:35 | bag | boo |
| 19:35 | pianohacker | rangi: would marking more things as pre-escaped help any, do you think? |
| 19:35 | rangi | probably not |
| 19:36 | caching template fragments would though | |
| 19:36 | 2 secs | |
| 19:38 | https://perldoc.koha-community[…]Plugin/Cache.html | |
| 19:39 | probably would need to reorganise some pages, but I think there are big chunks that don't need to be rerendered every page | |
| 19:40 | does that make sense? | |
| 19:40 | cait | i think one of he problmatic pages was authority import? |
| 19:40 | just trying to remember, it's probably on the bug | |
| 19:40 | jajm | will it prevent template variables to be escaped ? |
| 19:41 | rangi | sorry I dont understand the question jajm |
| 19:42 | jajm | template variables that are used only in cached template fragments |
| 19:42 | rangi | no |
| 19:42 | jajm | i thought all variables were automatically escaped |
| 19:42 | rangi | no |
| 19:42 | thats what this bug tried to do | |
| 19:43 | but it was too slow | |
| 19:43 | jajm | ok |
| 19:43 | rangi | at the moment we manually escape them, and people forget to do it, and we get xss vulnerabilities |
| 19:44 | what caching bits of the template means, is they get evaluated once, the same way as everything does now, and then put in a cache, and just returned from that, until it is stale. if you cache the borrowernumber as part of the key you could easily cache the top part of pretty much all the opac etc | |
| 19:45 | anyway, something to experiment with maybe | |
| 19:45 | pianohacker | yeah |
| 19:45 | do we know why the variable escaping itself was slow? | |
| 19:45 | jajm | rangi, i am not sure to understand, you suggest to use template::stash::autoescaping + caching, or just caching ? |
| 19:45 | pianohacker | because that's a really common practice in modern html template libraries |
| 19:45 | rangi | both |
| 19:46 | pianohacker: exactly, so i feel like it's something we can fix | |
| 19:46 | pianohacker | and, well, it's a friggin regex, perl can handle those :P |
| 19:46 | rangi | it's written up on the bug i think |
| 19:46 | jajm: both, i think the caching will help anyway, and I think we need to autoescape too | |
| 19:47 | cait | ithink more information to be found at the bug |
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| 19:47 | rangi | pianohacker: it may be we just looped too much, not sure |
| 19:47 | cait | are we ok to move on for now? something that i should log? |
| 19:47 | pianohacker | cait: just one thing |
| 19:47 | rangi: do you have that bug number? | |
| 19:48 | rangi | bug 13618 |
| 19:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13618 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, BLOCKED , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC |
| 19:48 | pianohacker | thanks |
| 19:48 | cait | pianohacker: it's on the agneda ;) |
| 19:48 | pianohacker | I totally missed that :) |
| 19:48 | cait | i'd like to talk about benchmarking first if that's ok? |
| 19:48 | or next | |
| 19:49 | as we have seen a lot of activity there | |
| 19:49 | barton | #link https://perldoc.koha-community[…]/Plugin/Cache.htm |
| 19:49 | pianohacker | cait: yeah, definitely |
| 19:49 | cait | i think the bug linked on the agenda is not right |
| 19:49 | probably me getting the sequence wrong again | |
| 19:50 | bug 15342 | |
| 19:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15342 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, NEW , Performance 3.22 - Omnibus |
| 19:50 | cait | pianohacker: could you maybe say something about the work so far? |
| 19:50 | link on the agenda is fixed now | |
| 19:51 | pianohacker | cait: reviewing all the linked bugs real quick |
| 19:51 | cait | bug 11998 is the pushed one |
| 19:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11998 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Syspref caching issues |
| 19:51 | cait | ... which broke my opac |
| 19:51 | and yes, that's a complaint ;) | |
| 19:51 | pianohacker | which is... less than good, but we'll fix it |
| 19:51 | cait | hope so :) |
| 19:52 | pianohacker | bug 15350 is a big pain point, though it's less of a big deal for Plack |
| 19:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15350 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , DBIx::Class Startup speed |
| 19:52 | bag | yes |
| 19:53 | pianohacker | any suggestions there are welcome; I had a basic POC that only really helps with Plack (and even then only with the first load on a new worker) |
| 19:54 | finally, I've been working with Joubu on a very promising set of patches | |
| 19:54 | bug 16044? | |
| 19:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16044 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Define a L1 cache for all objects set in cache |
| 19:54 | pianohacker | yes, okay |
| 19:54 | rangi | excellent |
| 19:55 | pianohacker | this is intended to bypass the unexpectedly high cost of deserializing stuff from memcached |
| 19:55 | Joubu added what amounts to a per-process in-memory cached | |
| 19:56 | I added some code to a) clear this new L1 cache less often, by storing a modification time in memcached and b) avoid some of the object-cloning protections Joubu/Jacek have put in place | |
| 19:57 | rangi | cool |
| 19:57 | pianohacker | any technical comments on that bug would be very very welcome; I know that the approach we've made is _spectacular_ for performance, especially search, but we need to make sure it's safe |
| 19:57 | bag | could be good to bring up on GBSD |
| 19:57 | pianohacker | cait: that's all I've got |
| 19:57 | cait | that's not bad - i am very glad to see work on the performance issues |
| 19:58 | :) | |
| 19:58 | bag | 61 days until release - that would be good to get in quickly so we have time to test |
| 19:58 | pianohacker | agreed |
| 19:58 | cait | true |
| 19:58 | pianohacker: could you add anything you need testers for to the gbsd page? | |
| 19:58 | pianohacker | cait: yup yup |
| 19:58 | cait | thx |
| 19:58 | rangi | pianohacker: yeah im happy to spend time testing that on gbsd |
| 19:58 | bag | ES too - everyone is really excited for it - but need sign off ;) |
| 19:58 | cait | ES is on it already :) |
| 19:59 | bag | yuppers - just mentioning again ;) |
| 19:59 | cait | ok, last topic would be item-level_itype |
| 19:59 | do we want to discuss or postpone? | |
| 19:59 | pianohacker | rangi: cool. If you have any ideas on other ways to do the memcached-modification-time thing (second to last patch) I'd love to hear them |
| 19:59 | rangi | righto |
| 19:59 | bag | I think we need Joubu here to talk about that cait |
| 19:59 | rangi | ill take a look |
| 19:59 | pianohacker | cait: we don't have much of a quorum for that touchy of a subject |
| 19:59 | rangi: thanks# | |
| 19:59 | ! | |
| 19:59 | cait | so postpone |
| 20:00 | we can move it to top for the next meeting | |
| 20:00 | pianohacker | yup |
| 20:00 | cait | #topic Updates from the QA team |
| 20:00 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC Meeting 22 March 2016) | |
| 20:00 | cait | nothing much from me I am afraid - I have been quite busy but hope to do more this week and probably next |
| 20:00 | pianohacker | it may also be worth making a hot-topics list on the agenda that bag could copy-paste into his reminder email and perhaps encourage more people to come |
| 20:00 | bag | cool |
| 20:01 | cait | ah, maybe it would be good to talk about freeze dates sometime soon |
| 20:01 | bag | good point - I’ll work something up this week cait |
| 20:01 | cait | #action bag to set freeze dates |
| 20:01 | looking at the list of horrible bugs | |
| 20:02 | there is quite a lot of red at the moment | |
| 20:02 | also unhappy jenkins | |
| 20:02 | pianohacker | cait: are you looking at the "FIXME NOW" list? |
| 20:02 | cait | 21 bugs critical - blocker |
| 20:02 | pianohacker: looking at the one linked on the agenda :) | |
| 20:03 | #link https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]20NOW&sharer_id=1 | |
| 20:03 | pianohacker | yup, same one, cool |
| 20:03 | cait | yep, didn't see the name first |
| 20:03 | 21 is not so nice... should try to bring that way down before release | |
| 20:03 | some maybe can be recategorized, but needs some work to check | |
| 20:03 | rangi | and get jenkins green |
| 20:03 | pianohacker | tcohen: any comments on the current status of jenkins? |
| 20:04 | bag | I can get on 15585 today |
| 20:04 | cait | quite a few are LDAP or SIP |
| 20:04 | anyone able to test this, please do | |
| 20:04 | tcohen | i tried providing patches for several failures |
| 20:04 | but we really need to encourage the devs to fix them | |
| 20:04 | probably with a warning about patches reverted | |
| 20:05 | cait | #idea add hot topics list to the agenda for use in the reminder email |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea | one of those is a 3.8 |
| 20:05 | cait | fix or revert threat? |
| 20:05 | bag | hmm tcohen can you talk with me on GBSD about those patches? I can do the leg work on getting some comments on those bugs |
| 20:05 | tcohen | of course! |
| 20:05 | bag | awesome! thanks |
| 20:06 | pianohacker | wizzyrea: bug 9626? |
| 20:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9626 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , can't pay FU fines without messing things up |
| 20:06 | wizzyrea | bug 14003 |
| 20:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14003 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , SIP2 AF Field return 1 |
| 20:06 | cait | i think that's on mster too - waiting for another test from me or someone else |
| 20:06 | i need to verify some weird behaviour i saw is real or not | |
| 20:06 | for the FU one | |
| 20:07 | nothing more from me for now :) | |
| 20:08 | #action bag and tcohen to talk about fixing jenkins | |
| 20:08 | moving on? | |
| 20:08 | tcohen | yeah |
| 20:09 | cait | #topic Set date for next meeting |
| 20:09 | Topic for #koha is now Set date for next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC Meeting 22 March 2016) | |
| 20:09 | cait | when shall we meet again? |
| 20:10 | bag | April 5th |
| 20:10 | cait | or asked differently, which rhythm |
| 20:10 | next general meeting is on 6th | |
| 20:10 | so maybe too close | |
| 20:10 | bag | 12th then? |
| 20:10 | cait | +1 |
| 20:11 | bag | what time? |
| 20:11 | wahanui | time is like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff. or generously donated to giving support in #koha but if you need more help faster than we can give it try http://koha-community.org/support/paid/ |
| 20:12 | cait | if we use the one from before this one |
| 20:12 | it would be 15 UTC | |
| 20:12 | bag | ok 12 April 2016 at 15 UTC |
| 20:12 | drojf | there is the catmandu hackathon. but i think its only half the day |
| 20:13 | cait | oh, where is that? |
| 20:13 | drojf | berlin |
| 20:13 | stabi | |
| 20:13 | johann is organising. 11.+12.04 | |
| 20:13 | cait | ah ok |
| 20:13 | 13th? | |
| 20:14 | 13th, 15 UTC? | |
| 20:14 | please saysomething :) | |
| 20:14 | drojf | woud work for me |
| 20:14 | would | |
| 20:14 | cait | bag? |
| 20:14 | wahanui | I LIKE BASEBALL! |
| 20:14 | drojf | everyone else? :) |
| 20:14 | bag | I LIKE BASEBALL |
| 20:14 | works for me | |
| 20:14 | 13th | |
| 20:15 | cait | #agreed Next meeting will be April 13th, 15 UTC |
| 20:15 | #endmeeting | |
| 20:15 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the IRC home of Koha https://koha-community.org | Code of conduct - https://koha-community.org/abo[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 20:15 | huginn | Meeting ended Tue Mar 22 20:15:26 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 20:15 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-03-22-19.02.html | |
| 20:15 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]6-03-22-19.02.txt | |
| 20:15 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]22-19.02.log.html | |
| 20:15 | cait | thx all |
| 20:15 | bag | thanks cait |
| 20:16 | tcohen | cait++ |
| 20:16 | pianohacker | cait++ |
| 20:16 | cait | not sure that's the best time, everyone is tired but rangi :) |
| 20:16 | well, maybe just europe | |
| 20:17 | ..or me | |
| 20:17 | pianohacker | it's not ideal for the two western US time zones, but we should have france |
| 20:18 | * cait | recruits pianohacker to help her fix her opac |
| 20:19 | drojf | i was asked to say something about ES in koha at the catmandu hackathon, so we better get that tested :) |
| 20:20 | cait | you can start right now :P |
| 20:20 | bag | drojf++ |
| 20:20 | drojf | unfortunately i can't. but i will at gbsd |
| 20:24 | tcohen | bye #koha |
| 20:30 | cait | pianohacker: ? :) |
| 20:30 | or someone else keen on helping me fix my opac? | |
| 20:32 | rangi | did you see the last comment on the bug? |
| 20:32 | about fastmmap? | |
| 20:32 | cait | yeah |
| 20:32 | buti have no idea where that setting is :( | |
| 20:32 | rangi | thats the way to fix it |
| 20:32 | * cait | confesses to have no idea about this |
| 20:32 | cait | where do i need to look? |
| 20:33 | rangi | basically we need to remove fastmmap as an option |
| 20:34 | until then | |
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| 20:34 | rangi | you want to switch it to memcache in apache |
| 20:35 | or | |
| 20:35 | cait | ok |
| 20:35 | hwich file? | |
| 20:35 | rangi | sudo apt-get remove cache-fastmmap-perl |
| 20:35 | cait | http-conf? |
| 20:35 | rangi | yup |
| 20:35 | cait | thx, maybe that was the missing piece |
| 20:35 | let me see what i am using | |
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| 20:36 | cait | SetEnv MEMCACHED_SERVERS "" |
| 20:36 | SetEnv MEMCACHED_NAMESPACE "" | |
| 20:36 | SetEnv CACHING_SYSTEM fastmmap | |
| 20:36 | rangi | yeah |
| 20:36 | change that | |
| 20:36 | wahanui | rangi: that doesn't look right |
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| 20:36 | rangi | the CACHING_SYSTEM one |
| 20:36 | cait | changing and restarting sec |
| 20:37 | opac is back | |
| 20:37 | ! | |
| 20:37 | do i still need to restart the memcache server for changes to take effect? | |
| 20:37 | or can i just turn off caching? | |
| 20:39 | rangi | if you want to actually test the caching |
| 20:39 | you need to definie your server etc | |
| 20:39 | if you want to test it without a cache, leave it as it is | |
| 20:39 | make sense? | |
| 20:39 | cait | but keep sytem memcached or empty that out again? |
| 20:41 | it's late for tonight - i think i will skip memcache fo rnow | |
| 20:41 | and spend some more time with bugs | |
| 20:41 | rangi | either or |
| 20:41 | cait | i also need to figure out why i can't receive serial issue items |
| 20:41 | hm? | |
| 20:43 | does it mean both is fine? | |
| 20:45 | rangi | yeah the same thing should happen with both |
| 20:45 | cait | ok, thx a lot |
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| 21:13 | Karl_H | Hi, I've got another question. I'm running into a problem with my maketest and I'm not sure what's going wrong: http://files.switchinc.org/kho/maketest.txt |
| 21:14 | Using Ubuntu 14.04 here | |
| 21:14 | cait | Karl_H: whch version are you installing? |
| 21:14 | rangi | are you doing some dev work? |
| 21:14 | or building packages? | |
| 21:14 | wahanui | hmmm... building packages is really easy. |
| 21:15 | Karl_H | I'm trying to follow the directions here: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]a_on_ubuntu_-_git |
| 21:15 | rangi | (because if you are installing you should be using packages on ubuntu :)) |
| 21:15 | ah, so you can do dev? | |
| 21:15 | ie, you arent going to run from production with git eh? (cos that's a really bad idea) | |
| 21:15 | Karl_H | I'd like to do some dev stuff eventually but I feel like I'm still learning the ropes on git |
| 21:15 | rangi | if you want to just get a koha up and going, the packages are the easiest way |
| 21:16 | Karl_H | we already have a production server, this is just a test server for development and debugging |
| 21:16 | rangi | cool |
| 21:16 | in that case | |
| 21:16 | you can continue the way you are going | |
| 21:16 | or you could use the devbox | |
| 21:16 | https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox | |
| 21:17 | Karl_H: that looks like a bug in the test itself, not the code, so you can ignore that, we will try to fix the test | |
| 21:19 | Karl_H | okay that is good to know |
| 21:20 | wizzyrea | prices.t there was a bug for that |
| 21:21 | https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=15323 | |
| 21:21 | huginn | 04Bug 15323: normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, REOPENED , ./t/Prices.t fails without a valid database |
| 21:22 | wizzyrea | which is exactly your error looks like |
| 21:24 | Karl_H | okay, I'll proceed with the install and see if it affects anything |
| 21:25 | rangi: appreciate vagrant link but don't know vagrant either :) | |
| 21:25 | wizzyrea | there are good instructions >.> |
| 21:26 | hm actually that devbox is a little broken at the moment | |
| 21:32 | Karl_H: in truth though you have to know about 0 about vagrant to run the devbox | |
| 21:32 | bag | Karl_H: it’s totally worth it when you’ve got sometime to do the kohadevbox |
| 21:32 | wizzyrea | you do need to know how to work an editor, and that's pretty much it. |
| 21:33 | (except that the devbox is a bit broken) | |
| 21:33 | broken = you can't set up a superlibrarian | |
| 21:33 | bag | using the ansible branch has saved me mucho times ;) |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | *shrug* |
| 21:34 | Karl_H | I guess if it is simpler to use then I will give it a shot |
| 21:35 | pianohacker | just to add one more voice: I'm the only dev at bywater that doesn't use it, and that's purely because I'm an old curmudgeon :) So you should give it a shot |
| 21:37 | Karl_H | okay, I will give that a try next. :) but first I am going to see if this install I'm doing now will actually work if I make it |
| 21:38 | thanks all! | |
| 21:39 | wizzyrea | good luck :) |
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| 22:09 | * drojf | calls it a day |
| 22:09 | drojf | good night #koha |
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| 23:11 | tcohen | hi |
| 23:11 | wahanui | kia ora, tcohen |
| 23:12 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15585: Remove "shift on reference is experimental" warning <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]18beabb3980b0b1d0> / Bug 15585 - Move C4::Passwordrecovery to the new namespace Koha::Patron::Password... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3dbe5d75740552445> |
| 23:17 | bag | hi tcohen |
| 23:19 | tcohen | hi bag |
| 23:19 | bag | how’s the little dude doing? |
| 23:20 | tcohen | ah, he's doing great, he's laughing all the time |
| 23:20 | bag | excellent! made me crack a big smile reading that |
| 23:20 | tcohen | i couldn't keep my stressed face |
| 23:20 | he just made me smile heh | |
| 23:20 | bag | see great minds think alike |
| 23:21 | manuel++ | |
| 23:28 | cait | bye all |
| 23:30 | bag | bye bye cait |
| 23:30 | sleep well | |
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| 23:32 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15809: Redefine multi_param is CGI < 4.08 is used <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f9b98ec884c2c25b5> |
| 23:45 | tcohen | bye cait! |
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