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| 00:11 | wizzyrea | hi Francesca |
| 00:14 | Francesca | hey wizzyrea |
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| 01:02 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I'm reading a fantastic book on French pastry. |
| 01:03 | Art of French Pastry by Jacquy Pfeiffer. | |
| 01:07 | wizzyrea | oooh that sounds nice |
| 01:09 | jcamins | Super technique-oriented. |
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| 01:50 | * Francesca | is falling asleep |
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| 07:29 | Joubu | O/ |
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| 07:31 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:59 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 08:24 | wizzyrea_ | morning europe |
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| 08:33 | * cait | sends Joubu cookies |
| 08:33 | * Joubu | eats all of them |
| 08:33 | cait | energy for all the bug hunting |
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| 08:47 | LibraryClaire | morning #koha |
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| 09:18 | reza | how can I change all the borrowers notification setting? I don't want them to receive the check-in and check-out notification |
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| 09:34 | Joubu | reza: have a look at misc/maintenance/borrowers-force-messaging-defaults |
| 09:35 | sophie_m | oh, joubu, you make my day :) |
| 09:35 | Joubu | sophie_m: ? :) |
| 09:36 | sophie_m | I didn't know this script, it will be very useful for me Joubu |
| 09:36 | Joubu | sophie_m: it's a very old script! |
| 09:39 | sophie_m | koha is always full of surprise for me :) |
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| 10:06 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 11:36 | Joubu | @later tell oleonard I would love to get your opinion on bug 15119 :) |
| 11:36 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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| 12:08 | Joubu | @later tell oleonard, could you that confirm bug 15993 is ok (dropdown menu for 2 entries: delete + edit). Or should we have at least 3 to create a dropdown? |
| 12:08 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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| 12:20 | drojf | hi #koha |
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| 12:25 | cait | i am pro 3 |
| 12:25 | Joubu: i think i'd like having buttons for 2 and only a dro down for 3, because of the extra click | |
| 12:25 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:25 | cait | you didn't ask me ... but.... :) |
| 12:26 | Joubu | erk |
| 12:26 | cait | morning tcohen :) |
| 12:26 | Joubu | I have passed qa several patches this morning :-/ |
| 12:26 | tcohen | Joubu: I'll try to follow your example |
| 12:26 | cait | Joubu: it's what oleonard suggested on one of those many bugs - i failed to locate the one last night where he suggestd it |
| 12:27 | Joubu | tcohen: my example? |
| 12:27 | tcohen | working on QA? |
| 12:27 | Joubu | cait: ok I will put them in discussion, waiting for a consensus |
| 12:27 | tcohen | working hard |
| 12:27 | ? | |
| 12:27 | :-D | |
| 12:27 | Joubu | tcohen: yes! :) |
| 12:27 | tcohen | i will QA mtompset patches first |
| 12:28 | Joubu | It's a bit scary today, I QA a patch and find a bug in master... |
| 12:28 | tcohen | he worked a lot on passing the tests I provided |
| 12:28 | hm, yes | |
| 12:28 | i found a bug in the sitemapper | |
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| 12:30 | JesseDhammu | hello |
| 12:30 | i need some help with koha Marc import | |
| 12:31 | i have imported my data from marc file, only bibliographic records. | |
| 12:31 | but now in cataloge i see the records dose not have any item associated. no Call number and No Barcode number. | |
| 12:31 | how to do the rest of the work ..?? | |
| 12:32 | Joubu | @oleonard just put 15993, 15990, 15989 and 15995 in discussion. Either we go for the dropdown, or we add 2 bootstrap buttons |
| 12:32 | huginn | Joubu: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 12:32 | Joubu | erk |
| 12:32 | @later tell oleonard just put 15993, 15990, 15989 and 15995 in discussion. Either we go for the dropdown, or we add 2 bootstrap buttons | |
| 12:32 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 12:32 | Joubu | @later tell oleonard sorry for spamming you :D |
| 12:32 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 12:33 | Joubu | JesseDhammu: you must check the "import items" options to import items |
| 12:33 | JesseDhammu | ok |
| 12:34 | so do i need to upload the same mrc file for importing the items ..? | |
| 12:35 | Joubu | If it's a new install, it's certainly better to restart from scratch |
| 12:35 | JesseDhammu | Joubu: and where is the import items option, in the tools menu or in administration ..? |
| 12:36 | Joubu | on tools/stage-marc-import.pl, you upload your mrc file, then you will have options for check/select |
| 12:38 | JesseDhammu | Joubu: what is the diffrence between importing bibliographic records and importing Authority records .. |
| 12:39 | tcohen | JesseDhammu: you need to code the items information as documented on the wiki, on repeatable 952 fields for each item |
| 12:39 | and do the import | |
| 12:40 | if you have a unique value on the 001 field | |
| 12:40 | you can re-import the same file, and apply a matching rule so data is not duplicated | |
| 12:41 | JesseDhammu | tcohen: i exported the data from CDSISIS |
| 12:41 | * tcohen | been there |
| 12:41 | JesseDhammu | and while importing i have checked check and import item record data |
| 12:41 | but it dosent work | |
| 12:42 | tcohen | you should run the command yaz-marcdump file.mrc |
| 12:42 | grab a sample record | |
| 12:42 | and paste it in http://paste.koha-community.org so we can help you | |
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| 12:46 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 12:46 | marcelr | hi #koha |
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| 12:47 | pastebot | "JesseDhammu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "CSSSC sample records" (41 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/329 |
| 12:48 | tcohen | hi marcelr oleonard |
| 12:48 | JesseDhammu | tcohen: just pasted 2 sample records |
| 12:48 | marcelr | hi tcohen oleonard |
| 12:49 | tcohen | JesseDhammu: I don't see any 952 field |
| 12:49 | holdings? | |
| 12:49 | holdings fields? | |
| 12:50 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_fields_%289xx%29 | |
| 12:50 | follow that guide to build your holdings fields | |
| 12:50 | notice there are some mandatory subfields | |
| 12:50 | JesseDhammu | so it means there is some missing data in the exported file from CDSISIS |
| 12:51 | tcohen | yes |
| 12:51 | well, maybe | |
| 12:51 | maybe you have most of the data there, in some non-standard fields | |
| 12:51 | JesseDhammu | ok ,, ill try to export the data again, with 952 field, which could contain, call number, barcode, and item type details .. |
| 12:51 | tcohen | and you need to put it all together into 952 fields |
| 12:51 | exactly | |
| 12:52 | JesseDhammu | and if i do that and then import the data on koha, would it automatically associate the item with the record..?? |
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| 12:53 | JesseDhammu | tcohen: thanks, ill check it and will let you know if anything happens |
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| 12:53 | JesseDhammu | thank you very much |
| 13:17 | marcelr | oleonard: most patches of bug 15084 have been pushed already; see the comments |
| 13:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15084 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Patch doesn't apply , Move the currency related code to Koha::Acquisition::Currenc[y|ies] |
| 13:18 | oleonard | marcelr: The status of the bug was "passed qa" before I changed it. |
| 13:18 | marcelr | yes and that is correct |
| 13:18 | it still needs rm attention | |
| 13:19 | i guess 15962 can be applied immediately | |
| 13:22 | oleonard | Should the pushed patches have been obsoleted? |
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| 13:27 | marcelr | oleonard: they probably could have been? depends on what RMaints will do or not do with a bug report |
| 13:28 | hopefully this is an exception; it was pushed but needed several repairs after that | |
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| 13:32 | marcelr | Joubu: is there any overlap ? |
| 13:33 | Joubu | marcelr: overlap with what? |
| 13:33 | marcelr | these acq reports you mentioned |
| 13:33 | Joubu | yes completely |
| 13:34 | marcelr | i will try to look at them in a next qa session |
| 13:34 | Joubu | actually I won't produce code to the acq module until these 2 reports are pushed |
| 13:34 | marcelr | there is also another one/ |
| 13:34 | 13324? | |
| 13:35 | bag | morning |
| 13:35 | Joubu | https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]raph.cgi?id=13323 |
| 13:36 | marcelr | hi bag |
| 13:36 | bag | yes I’m still working on 15084 (it’s on my todo list :) |
| 13:36 | marcelr | hope that it is the last one :) |
| 13:36 | bag | hi marcelr |
| 13:37 | it’s looking like it is and good find on that FK | |
| 13:37 | thanks! | |
| 13:37 | marcelr++ | |
| 13:37 | marcelr | np |
| 13:37 | tcohen | morning bag |
| 13:37 | bag | morning tcohen |
| 13:39 | oleonard | You're up early bag |
| 13:39 | marcelr | Joubu: katrin once started qaing bug 13321; i must have hoped that she would continue.. |
| 13:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13321 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Tax and prices calculation need to be fixed |
| 13:40 | bag | I sure am oleonard - couldn’t sleep so why not work ;) |
| 13:40 | tcohen | i think everyone always wants to fix tax rates |
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| 13:41 | Joubu | tcohen: everybody wants but not when the patches are ready to test |
| 13:42 | marcelr | tcohen: if you want to qa tax rates, please do so :) |
| 13:43 | tcohen | no! I meant that i'd be great that i could fix tax rates so they fit my monthly budget :-P |
| 13:43 | marcelr | :) |
| 13:44 | bag | heh |
| 13:51 | Joubu | have to run, see you #koha |
| 13:52 | * cait | sendsmore cookies to tcohen, Joubu and marcelr |
| 13:53 | marcelr | cait++ |
| 13:53 | bag | nice |
| 13:54 | so cookies from here too tcohen Joubu and marcelr | |
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| 13:57 | marcelr | nothing better than a good breakfast bag |
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| 14:46 | cait | looks like NateC is creating some noise on twitter :) |
| 14:48 | nengard | yup!!! |
| 14:48 | it's awesome | |
| 14:48 | https://twitter.com/hashtag/ci[…]=default&src=hash | |
| 14:48 | it's the CIL keynote panel he's on | |
| 14:50 | bag | yes cait :) |
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| 15:25 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15084 - Update schema files <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4908011d68189c1c4> / DBRev Bug 15084 - Move the currency related code to <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2e05b5394e527a442> / Bug 15084: [QA Follow-up] Correct field length of currency <http://git.koha-community.org/[…];a=commitdiff;h=0 |
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| 15:45 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15988: Moving authority types actions into a drop-down menu <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a60c7692f6b0ee726> |
| 15:52 | oleonard | Quick, someone run a "how to sign off patches" workshop and take advantage of all my trivial patches. |
| 15:53 | nengard | ooooo |
| 15:53 | hehe | |
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| 15:57 | bag | go for it nengard :D |
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| 16:05 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15979 - Use Font Awesome icons subscription deletion confirmation dialog <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b3ecc86fe5b1bfdcb> |
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| 16:15 | pianohacker | hi |
| 16:15 | Joubu: around? | |
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| 16:22 | bag | he took off a bit ago pianohacker |
| 16:22 | pianohacker | dammit, constant missed connections |
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| 16:36 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15982 - Serials numbering patterns can be deleted without warning <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]daea039be986727d7> |
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| 16:46 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15981 - Serials frequencies can be deleted without warning <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]25a6dac55cb8d543c> |
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| 16:56 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15994: Adding font awesome icons to Funds actions <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]29ad98c40af7584b4> |
| 17:07 | oleonard | patroncards/home.pl says flagsrequired => { catalogue => 1 }, but tools-home.tt checks CAN_user_tools_label_creator |
| 17:07 | patroncards/add_user_search.pl says flagsrequired => { serials => 'routing' } ! | |
| 17:08 | That must be a copy-and-paste error. | |
| 17:12 | bag | ah seems like it |
| 17:21 | oleonard | nengard++ |
| 17:22 | nengard thanks for Bug 16030, you beat me to it. | |
| 17:22 | nengard | :) |
| 17:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16030 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Automatic item modifications by age missing from admin sidebar |
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| 18:22 | drojf | evening |
| 18:22 | meeting in 1.5 hours? | |
| 18:27 | i added some line breaks to the fundraising wiki page. i hope that#s ok | |
| 18:31 | bag | yup :) |
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| 19:01 | drojf | @wunder rome |
| 19:01 | huginn | drojf: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 19:01 | drojf | @wunder rome, italy |
| 19:01 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Largo di Torre Argentina, Roma, Italy is 10.4°C (7:53 PM CET on March 09, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:02 | tcohen | it's already burnt dorjf |
| 19:02 | drojf | heh |
| 19:02 | needs more warm | |
| 19:02 | oleonard | @wunder rome, GA |
| 19:02 | huginn | oleonard: The current temperature in Oak Hill & The Martha Berry Museum, Rome, Georgia is 26.8°C (1:56 PM EST on March 09, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:03 | oleonard | @wunder rome, NY |
| 19:03 | huginn | oleonard: The current temperature in E. Garden, Rome, New York is 24.1°C (2:02 PM EST on March 09, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:03 | oleonard | @wunder rome, OH |
| 19:03 | huginn | oleonard: The current temperature in Roaming Shores - Beach 2 Cove, Roaming Shores, Ohio is 20.2°C (2:03 PM EST on March 09, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:03 | drojf | there is a lot of romes |
| 19:03 | oleonard | huginn I think you spelled "rome" wrong on that last one :P |
| 19:03 | huginn | oleonard: I suck |
| 19:10 | drojf | i ate too much icecream and now i'm cold. life is complicated |
| 19:11 | @wunder thessaloniki | |
| 19:11 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Thessaloniki, Greece is 11.0°C (8:50 PM EET on March 09, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:12 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 19:12 | huginn | oleonard: The current temperature in Heatherstone, Athens, Ohio is 24.1°C (2:11 PM EST on March 09, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:12 | oleonard | Crazy warm here. |
| 19:13 | drojf | nice |
| 19:16 | tcohen | @wunder nice |
| 19:16 | huginn | tcohen: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 19:16 | tcohen | @wunder nice, france |
| 19:16 | huginn | tcohen: The current temperature in Nice, France is 9.0°C (8:00 PM CET on March 09, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Rising). |
| 19:16 | tcohen | brrr |
| 19:17 | drojf: not a good idea | |
| 19:19 | oleonard | Quotes uploader doesn't work for me. |
| 19:22 | rangi | morning |
| 19:22 | oleonard | Hi rangi |
| 19:22 | tcohen | hi rangi |
| 19:23 | later #koha | |
| 19:24 | rangi | cya tcohen |
| 19:24 | drojf | hi rangi |
| 19:26 | bag | hi rangi |
| 19:30 | rangi | is it the meeting in 30 mins? |
| 19:31 | bag | yes |
| 19:31 | * oleonard | will leave just then, offers his votes to anyone who wants them |
| 19:32 | oleonard | Ugh... git blames ME! |
| 19:33 | ...for having broken the quotes uploader in 2013. That's a whole lotta quotes not getting uploaded, ever. | |
| 19:34 | * oleonard | subconsciously broke the quotes uploader on purpose |
| 19:34 | rangi | heh |
| 19:36 | oleonard | - float : left; |
| 19:36 | Boom, quotes uploads are broken for 3 years. | |
| 19:37 | rangi | easy as that |
| 19:37 | I guess it's not a super widely used feature | |
| 19:37 | oleonard | My most nefarious scheme to date. |
| 19:37 | rangi | heh |
| 19:37 | ok, rebasing elasticsearch | |
| 19:37 | oleonard | Or else everyone ignored the fact that there was no preview of the upload and just clicked "Save quotes" |
| 19:38 | rangi | more likely |
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| 19:40 | rangi | this is gonna take a bit, because of Koha::ItemType and Koha::ItemTypes |
| 19:40 | but once that is reconciled, the rest should rebase fine | |
| 19:43 | Koha::Object doesn't have accessors built in eh? | |
| 19:45 | that kinda sux | |
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| 19:47 | * cait | waves |
| 19:52 | rangi | oh yes it does |
| 19:52 | when you drill down | |
| 19:53 | well Koha::Database does | |
| 19:56 | BobB | good morning |
| 19:56 | oleonard | Sorry to have to miss the meeting. I hope it is productive. |
| 19:56 | bag | morning BobB |
| 19:56 | oleonard | Bye all |
| 19:56 | talljoy | hiya BobB |
| 19:57 | BobB | hi bag, talljoy |
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| 19:59 | cait | everyone ready? :) |
| 19:59 | barton | afternoon #koha! |
| 19:59 | ikourmou | hello! |
| 19:59 | barton | cait: I'm here with bells on. |
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| 20:00 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 20:00 | cait | ok, let's get this started |
| 20:00 | #startmeeting Genereal IRC meeting 9 March 2016 | |
| 20:00 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Mar 9 20:00:42 2016 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 20:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 20:00 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Genereal IRC meeting 9 March 2016) | |
| 20:00 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'genereal_irc_meeting_9_march_2016' |
| 20:00 | cait | #topic Introductions |
| 20:00 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Genereal IRC meeting 9 March 2016) | |
| 20:00 | barton | #info barton, BWS, Louisville KY, USA |
| 20:00 | mtompset | #info Mark Tompsett |
| 20:00 | talljoy | #info Joy Nelson, ByWater Solutions |
| 20:00 | cait | please introduce yourself using #info |
| 20:01 | drojf | #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany |
| 20:01 | cait | .. and where is wahanui? |
| 20:01 | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany | |
| 20:01 | bag | #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater |
| 20:01 | cait | today's agenda is |
| 20:01 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ting_9_March_2016 | |
| 20:01 | BobB | #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, Sydney Australia |
| 20:01 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 20:01 | ikourmou | #info Giannis Kourmoulis, AUTh, Thessaloniki, Greece |
| 20:02 | cait | ok, let's move on in a moment |
| 20:02 | gmcharlt | #info Galen Charlton, ESI, USA |
| 20:02 | cait | ... or two |
| 20:02 | ok, moving on | |
| 20:02 | #topic Announcement | |
| 20:02 | Topic for #koha is now Announcement (Meeting topic: Genereal IRC meeting 9 March 2016) | |
| 20:02 | cait | hm...s |
| 20:03 | andreashm | #info Andreas Hedström Mace, Stockholm Univ |
| 20:03 | cait | bag? |
| 20:03 | rangi | #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst |
| 20:03 | bag | RM update |
| 20:03 | Goal one is to maintain a low PQA queue - so daily attention | |
| 20:03 | I am learning tons! Constantly adjusting my workflow. I know there are some things I've missed so making sure that the workflow adjusts to not miss things | |
| 20:04 | I was under the wrong assumption with packages (my mistake) and have adjusted my workflow. | |
| 20:04 | I understand that it shouldn't be all new packages will be created and I need to do a better job of checking if they are in debian already and if not - start a discussion for alternative methods. I will be seeking help on any that come up until I feel I've mastered that part. | |
| 20:04 | Again I am learning :) | |
| 20:05 | * bag | prepared his notes ahead of time (so it’s copy and paste) I’ll slow down to give everyone a chance to read |
| 20:05 | bag | Schema updates. I know there are a few problems there - khall and I will be working on that to fix those. That has been the second weakest part of my workflow and I'm adjusting that and getting better. |
| 20:05 | As always - please don't hesitate to talk to me - point out anything you think I am missing. | |
| 20:05 | Elastic search branch - is currently being rebased on master by rangi (there is a change in the Koha::ItemType that needs to be adjusted) Once that is caught up - I will add a weekly rebase to that on master until we are able to move that forward into Koha. | |
| 20:05 | thank you rangi | |
| 20:06 | rangi | bout halfway there |
| 20:06 | bag | sweet |
| 20:06 | rangi | joubu also expressed desire to work on ES too, so you might want to touch base with him |
| 20:06 | bag | yes his patch needs rebase (looking for number one sec) |
| 20:07 | https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=14899 | |
| 20:07 | huginn | 04Bug 14899: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Mapping configuration page for Elastic search |
| 20:07 | cait | #info Elastic search branch is being rebased |
| 20:07 | #info Problems with Schema updates are being worked on | |
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| 20:09 | cait | anything else? |
| 20:09 | bag | That’s it from me - unless anyone has any questions |
| 20:09 | rangi | oh, I just finished the rebase :) |
| 20:09 | mtompset | So your first comment was like about URL::Encode and the like? |
| 20:10 | bag | ? |
| 20:10 | thd | bag: Is the koha Debian repository still working for serving packages? |
| 20:10 | cait | #info Elastic search rebase --- done |
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| 20:11 | mtompset | or is URL::Encode in Debian, but not currently in Koha? ... nevermnd. |
| 20:11 | bag | yes URL::Encode - there is a suggestion on how to work with packages that are already in koha (I posted the comment to the bug) |
| 20:11 | * mtompset | nods. |
| 20:12 | cait | mtompset: hm tried to install it on Ubuntu - but didn't find it |
| 20:12 | i think there might be ways around using that specific one? | |
| 20:12 | bag | that’s a good example of a place that I need to communicate a bit more :) |
| 20:12 | added that to my workflow | |
| 20:12 | nengard | #info Nicole Engard, ByWater |
| 20:12 | mtompset | Which is what bag was getting at, I think. :) |
| 20:13 | bag | yes URL::Encode is not in debian |
| 20:14 | ok cait - I think we are ready to move on | |
| 20:14 | cait | ok |
| 20:14 | #topic Update on Releases | |
| 20:14 | Topic for #koha is now Update on Releases (Meeting topic: Genereal IRC meeting 9 March 2016) | |
| 20:15 | cait | bag again? ;) |
| 20:15 | or one of the rmaints? | |
| 20:15 | jajm, fredericd ? | |
| 20:16 | ok | |
| 20:16 | movin gon then again | |
| 20:16 | #topic GBSD | |
| 20:16 | Topic for #koha is now GBSD (Meeting topic: Genereal IRC meeting 9 March 2016) | |
| 20:16 | cait | I was thinking... i tmight be time for another GBSD |
| 20:17 | If people share that opinion, the next question would be about a possible date | |
| 20:17 | bag | yay! |
| 20:17 | cait | some people prefer a Friday |
| 20:17 | rangi | friday for you is saturday for me |
| 20:17 | cait | in theory, gbsd starts your friday |
| 20:17 | rangi | yep, but i wont be updating the scoreboard etc on the saturday is all im saying |
| 20:17 | cait | yeah true |
| 20:18 | so thatwould be an argument for maybe use another day | |
| 20:18 | also one of the next fridays is a public holiday in lots of countries | |
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| 20:19 | cait | maybe a thursday? |
| 20:19 | 24th? | |
| 20:20 | do i need to bribe the audience with cookies? :) | |
| 20:20 | rangi | heh |
| 20:20 | gmcharlt | Cookies over IRC? |
| 20:20 | rangi | any day with sufficient warning is ok for me |
| 20:20 | be nice to make it a biggish one, and do a blog post about it | |
| 20:20 | cait | gmcharlt: no calories:) |
| 20:21 | gmcharlt | good point :) |
| 20:21 | bag | 24th looks good |
| 20:21 | cait | so quiet... |
| 20:22 | i#d add a page tothe wiki and send an email about it | |
| 20:22 | rangi | thanks |
| 20:22 | 24th is fine | |
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| 20:22 | cait | i hope everyone quiet doesn't mean i will be the only one present ;) |
| 20:22 | BobB | its the day before Easter |
| 20:22 | cait | ah |
| 20:22 | here friday is the holiday | |
| 20:22 | barton | cait -- not to worry :-) |
| 20:23 | BobB | here too |
| 20:23 | cait | BobB: so better the week after? |
| 20:23 | so is that good or bad? | |
| 20:23 | drojf | i though that would be good |
| 20:23 | BobB | i'm not sure what affect it would have |
| 20:23 | drojf | less clients to urgently deal with ;) |
| 20:23 | BobB | but week after is ok |
| 20:23 | more time to promote it maybe | |
| 20:24 | cait | the weekafter a friday would work i think |
| 20:24 | april 1st? | |
| 20:24 | might just be dangerous becauseof the jokes :) | |
| 20:24 | drojf | didn't we just say friday is bad? |
| 20:24 | bag | :) |
| 20:24 | mtompset | I thought we said no fridays. |
| 20:24 | drojf | maybe i am not following |
| 20:24 | BobB | Thu 31 is ok |
| 20:24 | barton | cait: I couldn't think of a better time... |
| 20:24 | cait | aaahsorry |
| 20:24 | it's me | |
| 20:24 | drojf | i liked the 24th |
| 20:24 | i'll do my own then | |
| 20:25 | mtompset | drojf++ # for wanting to do his own GBSD. |
| 20:25 | cait | ok, quick vote? thursday 31st or thursday 24th |
| 20:25 | drojf | will be a challenge to get me global :D |
| 20:25 | cait | and then i will moveon to the next topic, promise :) |
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| 20:25 | mtompset | drojf: Do it for 48 hours straight no sleep, then it is global. ;) |
| 20:26 | 31 | |
| 20:26 | drojf | i am too old for that :) |
| 20:26 | 24 | |
| 20:26 | mtompset | I'm for 31. :) |
| 20:26 | bag | 24 |
| 20:26 | * gmcharlt | makes note to self - write script to automatically lock out a BZ account if it has been continuously used for more than 12 hours ;) |
| 20:26 | barton | 24 |
| 20:26 | * gmcharlt | is neutral on 24/31 |
| 20:26 | cait | neutral too |
| 20:27 | barton | ... and then follow drojf's lead on the 31st, if that's better. |
| 20:27 | cait | barton: is that a 31 or 24 for you? |
| 20:27 | BobB | i'm prolly neutral too |
| 20:27 | mtompset | Ooooo... back to back GBSD's. |
| 20:27 | cait | you people make it hard tocount :) |
| 20:27 | BobB | ok, 31 |
| 20:27 | barton | cait: 24 |
| 20:27 | cait | ok |
| 20:28 | #agreed next GBSD to be on March 24th | |
| 20:28 | BobB | barton you cancelled my vote :) |
| 20:28 | cait | #action cait to send an e-mail about GBSD |
| 20:28 | #topic Discussion on proposing a new version numbering for Koha | |
| 20:28 | Topic for #koha is now Discussion on proposing a new version numbering for Koha (Meeting topic: Genereal IRC meeting 9 March 2016) | |
| 20:28 | mtompset | Wait... it looked like a tie. |
| 20:28 | cait | that was long to type... |
| 20:29 | bag | that was me that added that to the agenda |
| 20:29 | rangi | everyone who voted needs to signoff at least 3 patches |
| 20:29 | </new rule> | |
| 20:29 | cait | i think it was 3-2 |
| 20:29 | mtompset | +1 to that. :) |
| 20:29 | bag | #info everyone who voted needs to signoff at least 3 patches |
| 20:29 | gmcharlt | fence-sitters need to do 6 for being indecisive ;) |
| 20:29 | mtompset | Oh you are right. |
| 20:29 | drojf | and everyone who voted has to signoff one crypto patch |
| 20:30 | rangi | heh |
| 20:30 | bag | I’d like to propose that the next release of koha be - 16.05 |
| 20:30 | * mtompset | cheers, "Here! Here! gmcharlt!" |
| 20:30 | bag | koha has been on 3.x for about 6 years now |
| 20:30 | drojf | that sounds ugly |
| 20:30 | or, looks | |
| 20:30 | rangi | i like the date based idea |
| 20:30 | talljoy | you mean as in the year/month? |
| 20:30 | bag | following a yy.mm numbering going forward |
| 20:30 | talljoy | i like that |
| 20:30 | drojf | and it lacks chocolate/cookie related stuff |
| 20:31 | talljoy | there is that... |
| 20:31 | rangi | it has a big advantage of people seeing they are on the 12.05 release |
| 20:31 | BobB | yes indded |
| 20:31 | cait | #info Suggestion: use a data based versioning for next release - 16.05 |
| 20:31 | rangi | drojf: they can still have code names too ;) |
| 20:31 | cait | will make it a lot easier to tell them just how old it really is :) |
| 20:32 | talljoy | YES! |
| 20:32 | bag | the numbering has caused problems for us - when we’ve been behind a release or two - and the bug says pushed to master |
| 20:32 | rangi | yeah, at the moment i have to go look it up ;) |
| 20:32 | drojf | i like the date based too, because you can immediately see how ancient your version is (well, you can't if you stay on 308 forever). i only don't like 16, i think. don't take it too seriously |
| 20:32 | cait | bag: hm but why is that a problem with the numbering? |
| 20:32 | we'd still have master :) | |
| 20:33 | bag | ah yes - but I changed the message in the pushed to master - it now says the time of when it *should* be in the release |
| 20:33 | cait | drojf: you have an aversion against the number 16? |
| 20:33 | rangi | 16.05 The source awakens |
| 20:33 | drojf | i am 16 dysphoric, or what kids call it these days |
| 20:33 | 17.11 looks cool on the other hand | |
| 20:34 | mtompset | So... what is expected to be 3.24.0 is going to be 16.05.0? |
| 20:34 | bag | yes it does more so than 3.30 |
| 20:34 | yes mtompset | |
| 20:34 | mtompset | And each month 16.mm? |
| 20:34 | drojf | no 3.33? :( |
| 20:34 | :P | |
| 20:34 | mtompset | What about oldstable? 16.05.{revision}? |
| 20:34 | * gmcharlt | has no object to 16.05 (and I've double-checked that it won't cause any problems with Debian package version number comparisons) |
| 20:34 | gmcharlt | *objection |
| 20:35 | cait | mtompset: only every 6 months |
| 20:35 | drojf | will it be 16.05.1 or 16.06 then in the next month? |
| 20:35 | rangi | drojf: .01 i think |
| 20:35 | cait | i'd prefer the first i think |
| 20:35 | bag | ok so I presented the idea. I was thinking we’d get it out there and then maybe vote at the next meeting |
| 20:35 | 16.05.01 | |
| 20:35 | drojf | rangi: the other way is probably too confusing |
| 20:35 | rangi | yeah |
| 20:35 | drojf | with several supported branches and stuff |
| 20:35 | cait | #info bugfix releases would be numbered 16.05.1 ... |
| 20:35 | gmcharlt | might I suggest that (at least this time around) we make the vote itself be strictly yes/no? |
| 20:36 | cait | gmcharlt++ |
| 20:36 | rangi | +1 |
| 20:36 | mtompset | So, yy.mm(of release).{realease number}? |
| 20:36 | gmcharlt | i.e., choice between 16.05.x or 3.24.x, but intentionally *not* opening floor to alternatives |
| 20:36 | cait | ah |
| 20:36 | i guess that would make things a lot easier | |
| 20:36 | bag | yes |
| 20:37 | mtompset | Yes, stop 3.x branch. Yes, yy.mm use. |
| 20:37 | gmcharlt | my proposal is a little selfish, to be clear: I have a strong aversion to version numbering debates :) |
| 20:37 | mtompset | Still need clarification of intermediate fixes. |
| 20:37 | drojf | gmcharlt: yes lets get it over with as long as it seems we agree |
| 20:38 | or we spend months inventing other schemes | |
| 20:38 | gmcharlt | http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/[…]ers-noooooooooooo |
| 20:38 | bag | ok vote now - or this motion passes for the next agenda “choice between 16.05.x or 3.24.x, but intentionally *not* opening floor to alternatives” |
| 20:39 | thd | bag: Would there be a single for a nonstable build? |
| 20:39 | s/single/signifier/ | |
| 20:39 | cait | hm |
| 20:40 | gmcharlt | 17.00 / 17.06, perhaps |
| 20:40 | drojf | so the vote could just be as simple as "switch to 16.05 style numberin? yes/no" |
| 20:40 | mtompset | That's the part that confused me too, thd. |
| 20:40 | cait | gmcharlt: why 00 06? |
| 20:40 | sorry,not getting it | |
| 20:40 | mtompset | right now even stable, odd unstable. |
| 20:40 | gmcharlt | 16.05 == May release; 16.00 == stuff prior to May, i.e., unstable |
| 20:41 | drojf | i'd say thats a detail that can easily be decided on once we vote for the general change |
| 20:41 | bag | cait 00 is after 11 |
| 20:41 | ahh.. there gmcharlt said it better | |
| 20:41 | drojf | gmcharlt: we have two 16 releases and need to prior-versions |
| 20:41 | cait | ahok |
| 20:41 | sorry:) | |
| 20:41 | gmcharlt | drojf: right - 16.00 (unstable) 16.05 (stable) 16.06 (unstable again) 16.11 (stable) |
| 20:41 | drojf | i'd say 16.04, 16.05 and 16.10 and 16.11. or whatever else |
| 20:41 | cait | #info unstable /in development could be 17.00 / 17.06 |
| 20:41 | drojf | ok that is kind of the same in reverse |
| 20:42 | gmcharlt | but more broadly, I agree with drojf that that's a detail we can punt on |
| 20:42 | drojf | i'd say let the RM decide |
| 20:42 | rangi | we can call it spaghetti if we want for unstable |
| 20:42 | thd | Additionally, if an actual release date slips a little does it signify the wrong thing in versioning or would date use be fudged for an easily understood convention not strictly tied to date? |
| 20:42 | rangi | no one except us devs should be using it |
| 20:42 | so its just an internal thing | |
| 20:42 | gmcharlt | rangi: one would hope, anyway ;) |
| 20:42 | cait | let's be hopeful :) |
| 20:42 | rangi | lets call it dont_use_this.1 |
| 20:42 | lets call it dont_use_this.2 | |
| 20:42 | etc :) | |
| 20:43 | drojf | lets not make that nice and simple vote boring and complicated |
| 20:43 | gmcharlt | rangi: this_has_literal_c4_in_it.1... |
| 20:43 | andreashm | 16.spagetti? |
| 20:43 | cait | ok |
| 20:43 | rangi | but really the external facing number is the important one |
| 20:43 | cait | so we are going to have a yes/no vote next meeting? |
| 20:43 | mtompset | ooo... 16.spaghetti. |
| 20:43 | bag | yes |
| 20:43 | drojf | can't we have it now? |
| 20:43 | mtompset | I like that... yy.{whatever signifier we agree on} |
| 20:43 | bag | I’m fine with voting now - the only complaint is I added this to the agenda yesterday |
| 20:44 | cait | yeah |
| 20:44 | that'smy only complaint too | |
| 20:44 | drojf | lets vote now and give the world a chance to debate it next time. and i will accidentally miss the meeting :P |
| 20:44 | bag | :) |
| 20:44 | drojf | its not like we have millions of people at the meetings, and it seems we basically agree atm |
| 20:44 | gmcharlt | vote now, and call it a straw poll if there are serious objections aftwaards? |
| 20:44 | thd | drojf: As bag rightly proposed in proposing the form of the issue that we should wait to consider further. |
| 20:44 | barton | drojf: is that accidentally or 'accidentally' ? |
| 20:44 | cait | ok |
| 20:45 | drojf | barton: either one or the other, whatever happens first :P |
| 20:45 | mtompset | So, please restate what is to be voted on. |
| 20:45 | cait | ok, can someone phrase a yes/no question for me? |
| 20:45 | gmcharlt | how about this... |
| 20:45 | cait | not sure why I amalways strugglingwith this |
| 20:46 | gmcharlt | Shall the next major Koha release change the version scheme to yy.mm.minor, e.g., 16.05? |
| 20:46 | thd | Would we be punting the fine details for further consideration of any actual implementation of the concept in any case? |
| 20:46 | cait | #startvote Shall the next major Koha release change the version scheme to yy.mm.minor, e.g., 16.05? (yes,no) |
| 20:46 | huginn | Begin voting on: Shall the next major Koha release change the version scheme to yy.mm.minor, e.g., 16.05? Valid vote options are , yes, no, . |
| 20:46 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 20:47 | cait | obviously... , should not be an option |
| 20:47 | rangi | #vote yes |
| 20:47 | bag | #vote yes |
| 20:47 | mtompset | #vote yes |
| 20:47 | cait | #vote yes |
| 20:47 | drojf | yes |
| 20:47 | talljoy | #vote yes |
| 20:47 | thd | #vote yes |
| 20:47 | gmcharlt | #vote yes |
| 20:47 | drojf | damn |
| 20:47 | #vote yes | |
| 20:47 | rangi | heh |
| 20:47 | ikourmou | #vote yes |
| 20:47 | * mtompset | laughs at drojf |
| 20:47 | drojf | i was too excited :D |
| 20:47 | mtompset | Does anyone say no or abstain? |
| 20:47 | * talljoy | hands drojf a cookie |
| 20:47 | drojf | awww thanks talljoy |
| 20:47 | gmcharlt | nah, drojf was just agreeing with cait's statement that ... isn't a valid choice! ;) |
| 20:48 | BobB | #vote yes |
| 20:48 | drojf | gmcharlt: yeah i was reading that, wondering what it was about and tried to vote at the same time :) |
| 20:48 | cait | i meant the comma :) |
| 20:48 | ok, closing voooote | |
| 20:48 | #endvote | |
| 20:48 | huginn | Voted on "Shall the next major Koha release change the version scheme to yy.mm.minor, e.g., 16.05?" Results are |
| 20:48 | yes (10): cait, mtompset, BobB, bag, gmcharlt, talljoy, thd, drojf, rangi, ikourmou | |
| 20:49 | meliss joined #koha | |
| 20:49 | cait | #agreed Koha's release version scheme will be changed to be date based, e.g. 16.05 |
| 20:49 | moving on? | |
| 20:49 | drojf | i doubt there will be 11 people here next time that hate the idea |
| 20:49 | bag | moving on |
| 20:49 | cait | probably unlikely |
| 20:49 | bag | :) |
| 20:49 | cait | #topic Hackfest in Berlin |
| 20:49 | Topic for #koha is now Hackfest in Berlin (Meeting topic: Genereal IRC meeting 9 March 2016) | |
| 20:49 | gmcharlt | YES WE WILL MOVE ON, HAVING UNLOCK THE ACHIVEMENT OF A VERSION NUMBER CONVENTION DISCUSSION THAT WAS ACTUALLY BRIEF!!!!1!!!! |
| 20:49 | ;) | |
| 20:50 | rangi | im still waiting for work to OK me to go |
| 20:50 | gmcharlt | (I may be a little excited about that outcome) |
| 20:50 | barton | gmcharlt: I too am in shock. |
| 20:50 | drojf | rangi: yay :) |
| 20:50 | * talljoy | expected the earth to shake |
| 20:50 | cait | drojf? |
| 20:50 | drojf | not really anything new from me… |
| 20:50 | liw will get back to me in april about a debian packaging workshop | |
| 20:51 | cait | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]lin_Hackfest_2016 |
| 20:51 | bag | I’ll be heavy asleep on the 27th of may so I won’t be able to be there - but see you in greece |
| 20:51 | drojf | so far very little people registered, namely cait ;) |
| 20:51 | cait | #info there will be a Catmandu workshop |
| 20:51 | drojf | so we would have one workshop per person |
| 20:51 | :P | |
| 20:51 | cait | drojf: because youneed help advertising obviously |
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| 20:52 | drojf | i dont know if people fixed their plans for greece already, so its hard to tell if there is more to come |
| 20:52 | kathryn joined #koha | |
| 20:53 | drojf | i will appoach german libraries that may be interested at some point if there is very little response from koha devs |
| 20:53 | reiveune | bye |
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| 20:54 | cait | i think ther would be some interest here |
| 20:54 | but it has not been advertised to the german lists so far | |
| 20:54 | drojf | so it would be helpful to know if peopke made their plans already. rome was full within 3 or 4 weeks |
| 20:54 | its hard to tell | |
| 20:54 | BobB | would so like to come, its just not possible |
| 20:55 | cait | ok, moving on? |
| 20:55 | drojf | cait: it has not been advertised there because all german devs are already coming :P |
| 20:56 | cait | ah not quite true |
| 20:56 | also, hackfests can help make new devs | |
| 20:56 | #topic KohaCon | |
| 20:56 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon (Meeting topic: Genereal IRC meeting 9 March 2016) | |
| 20:56 | cait | let's start with Greece |
| 20:56 | thx for the patience ikourmou | |
| 20:56 | ikourmou | ok, no prob |
| 20:56 | let me give some numbers first | |
| 20:57 | about 135 registrations already | |
| 20:57 | drojf | w00t |
| 20:57 | BobB | awesome |
| 20:57 | mtompset | Nice. |
| 20:57 | rangi | yay! |
| 20:57 | ikourmou | and more than 25 proposals for presentations |
| 20:57 | the call for proposals has ended on 7th of March | |
| 20:58 | gmcharlt | :D |
| 20:58 | rangi | cool 25 is a good number! |
| 20:58 | ikourmou | so now we have to form the program committee that will evaluate the proposals |
| 20:59 | we plan to invite some of you (eg koha elders) to form the committee... | |
| 20:59 | bag | nice |
| 20:59 | ikourmou | we also have opened the "call for sponsorships" |
| 20:59 | http://kohacon2016.lib.auth.gr/?page_id=462 | |
| 21:00 | cait | #link http://kohacon2016.lib.auth.gr/?page_id=462 |
| 21:00 | #info Call for sponsorships is open | |
| 21:00 | ikourmou | I would say that in general everything goes as planned |
| 21:00 | cait | #info 135 registrations so far |
| 21:00 | #info 25 proposals for presentations | |
| 21:00 | ikourmou: the updates on the conf page are nice! | |
| 21:01 | ikourmou | but I would really love to have some feedback from the people here |
| 21:01 | cait: thx | |
| 21:01 | BobB joined #koha | |
| 21:01 | ikourmou | the venue we have booked has about 175 seats |
| 21:02 | so we are approaching a limit | |
| 21:02 | sooner more than later | |
| 21:02 | drojf | with 135 already… that may be full soon |
| 21:02 | bag | 175 is a good number |
| 21:02 | drojf | what was the biggest kohacon so far? reno? |
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| 21:03 | * cait | is glad she has registered already |
| 21:03 | rangi | drojf: that or the first one in paris |
| 21:03 | thd | ikourou: Is 175 merely a seating limit or also a legal/safety limit for the venue? |
| 21:03 | * rangi | will register .. I may have to try and seek some sponsorship to come though, but ill register |
| 21:03 | ikourmou | no, just seating |
| 21:04 | we could expand it by projecting the presentations in the foyer (just a thought) | |
| 21:04 | drojf | ok so we can squeeze 200 in probably? i suppose not everyone is attending all sessions |
| 21:04 | thd | Stamding room Koha :) |
| 21:05 | cait | live bloggers get seats... rest standing or on the floor? ;) |
| 21:05 | ikourmou | ok, we will work sth out, if we reach the limit :-) |
| 21:06 | rangi | 136 |
| 21:06 | :) | |
| 21:06 | ikourmou | thx @rangi |
| 21:06 | drojf | ikourmou: i saw you have several rooms there |
| 21:06 | but that would probably be way more expensive too | |
| 21:07 | ikourmou | you mean the building kohacon is gonna take place? |
| 21:07 | drojf | and/or bookes for other stuff |
| 21:07 | yes | |
| 21:07 | *booked | |
| 21:07 | ikourmou | yes, they will be probalby booked by then... |
| 21:07 | drojf | are you planning on streaming video or audioi? |
| 21:08 | that was in the flyer too ;) | |
| 21:08 | cait | maybe we can talk more about dealing with 'more' once we reach it? |
| 21:08 | we still have some topics to deal with | |
| 21:08 | rangi | +1 |
| 21:08 | ikourmou | I would like to ask if there are any special considerations for the hackfest? |
| 21:08 | cait | ikourmou: anything you need us to do/decide/volunteer? |
| 21:08 | wifi | |
| 21:09 | ikourmou | checked! |
| 21:09 | bag | good internet |
| 21:09 | cait | :) |
| 21:09 | enough power outlets, tables... maybe a projector if that would not be too hard | |
| 21:09 | ikourmou | do we need to define sessions or subjects or anything? |
| 21:09 | thd | I encourage recording hackfest presentations for sharing with the world not attending in person. |
| 21:10 | drojf | not really, unless you got a lot of proposals for dev-only events |
| 21:10 | ikourmou | how do hackfest presentations work? |
| 21:10 | cait | ikourmou: apart from providing the mentioned things,things usually get organized by the people attending - similar to marseille |
| 21:10 | ikourmou | ah, ok |
| 21:11 | drojf | i think liw would also be up for a debian packaging workshop in greece if its possible to decide in april. he just could not hand in a proposal now |
| 21:11 | rangi | ikourmou: its more like an unconference, the people there on any given day decide what they will work on |
| 21:11 | thd | Hackfest presentations may be very informal explanations or discussions of some technical matters. |
| 21:11 | ikourmou | @rangi: that makes thing easier for us |
| 21:11 | huginn | ikourmou: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 21:12 | ikourmou | we plan to have streaming for the whole Kohacon |
| 21:13 | * pianohacker | is better nate than lever |
| 21:13 | drojf | cool. and fair enough for people not registering in time |
| 21:13 | thd | ikourmou: Will you be recording the stream for later access? |
| 21:13 | bag | not sure if you are a better nate pianohacker |
| 21:13 | cait | #info plan is to have straming for the whole KohaCon |
| 21:13 | ikourmou | yes, we have some considerations on video size though |
| 21:14 | thd | s/later/non-realtime/ |
| 21:14 | drojf | you should get consent to have all talks licensed CC or similar |
| 21:14 | cait | ok, if there is nothing mor urgent |
| 21:14 | ikourmou | drojf: noted |
| 21:14 | cait | i'd like to move on |
| 21:14 | ikourmou | just one more thing... |
| 21:14 | we plan to propose the formation of Greek Koha Users Group | |
| 21:15 | drojf | cool |
| 21:15 | cait | :) |
| 21:15 | bag | cool |
| 21:15 | ikourmou | that's all from me |
| 21:15 | drojf | ikourmou++ |
| 21:15 | rangi | :) |
| 21:15 | cait | ok |
| 21:15 | for KohaCon bids we currently have one from Dublin, Ireland | |
| 21:15 | and one from the Philippines | |
| 21:16 | rangi | I think Dublin might be out, because of the not twice in the same continent? |
| 21:16 | 2 europe in a row | |
| 21:16 | drojf | not really something to discuss the next few months, is itr? |
| 21:16 | ah yes that | |
| 21:16 | i did not write that on the list, because the rules are not clear | |
| 21:16 | cait | not sure how to handle that |
| 21:16 | drojf | according to the rules we should be in NZ every 5 years |
| 21:17 | cait | i think it's noted somewher on the wiki at least? |
| 21:17 | drojf | which would be cool :P |
| 21:17 | mtompset | Where are these rules? |
| 21:17 | rangi | heh, yeah 10 is more practical, id like to bid for wellington 2020 |
| 21:17 | drojf | there is a note, but its not a rule, just vague stuff someone noted (at least that is how it sounds) |
| 21:17 | bag | I sort more feel - if you want to volunteer to host - volunteer - more power to you |
| 21:18 | drojf | so maybe we should really set it as a rule |
| 21:18 | rangi | populous regions will always win it that way |
| 21:18 | cait | yeah |
| 21:18 | lots of options here in europe | |
| 21:18 | BobB_ | would be nice to bring it to Asia again |
| 21:18 | rangi | and we'd never end up with places like nigeria, which would be really unfortunate |
| 21:18 | drojf | we could probably get you kohacons in europe for the next 5 or 10 years |
| 21:18 | rangi | i think the beauty of kohacon is it moves around |
| 21:18 | everyone gets a shot | |
| 21:18 | drojf | yes |
| 21:19 | so lets make it a real rule | |
| 21:19 | mtompset | +1 to making it a real rule. :) |
| 21:19 | drojf | no harm in having bids that dont fit, those are people that may bid again the following year |
| 21:19 | but i like the way it was done so far | |
| 21:19 | dublin tried to bid last year, btw. they were a day late | |
| 21:20 | cait | hope they won't be disappointed |
| 21:20 | drojf | not sure if that was public, i think they only send it to me |
| 21:20 | cait | but better to know earlier than later |
| 21:20 | drojf | well, it is a nice reminder of being actually active in the community you are trying to host a conference for |
| 21:20 | bag | we don’t seem to get flooded with propsals |
| 21:20 | thd | The potential issue may have been mentioned in the text of recent calls for proposals on the koha mailing list. |
| 21:21 | rangi | it took nigeria 3 years to win |
| 21:21 | BobB_ | yeah and they kept trying till they did |
| 21:21 | rangi | there is precedence for it taking time |
| 21:21 | drojf | rangi: and the help of that rule. which is why i thin we should have it/keep it/make it a real rule written down somewhere |
| 21:22 | rangi | paris, edinburgh, greece |
| 21:22 | drojf | because locations too far fro the US and EU will have no chance otherwise |
| 21:22 | cait | ok, so what is the next step here? |
| 21:22 | rangi | reno, plano |
| 21:22 | are the 2 continents that have had it more than once | |
| 21:23 | BobB_ | versus wellington, mumbai, cordoba, ibadan - so far 5 in EU / US and four outside |
| 21:23 | drojf | cait: 1) vote on it as a rule, not only a guide or whatever it was so far 2) communicate it to dublin and in calls for hosts in genberal |
| 21:24 | BobB_ | pretty good balance, so what we've done seems to work :) |
| 21:24 | cait | ok, vote now or next meeting? |
| 21:24 | mtompset | I think we could vote on the continent rule being explicit and written. |
| 21:24 | drojf | i'd say vote now, but i think its a bigger issue than version numbering, so maybe an announcement would be fair |
| 21:25 | mtompset | True enough. |
| 21:25 | thd | How would the rule be formed to prevent alternating between North America and Europe? |
| 21:25 | cait | it hink we sould not overcomplicate |
| 21:25 | not the same continent twice in a row? | |
| 21:25 | rangi | thd: its not twice within 3 years |
| 21:25 | drojf | thd: that would be a different rule |
| 21:25 | cait | ah |
| 21:25 | rangi | thats always been the guideline |
| 21:25 | thd | rangi++ |
| 21:26 | cait | that'd mean that dublin could be 2018 earliest? |
| 21:26 | drojf | i never heard of that |
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| 21:26 | drojf | is that in the wiki too? |
| 21:26 | rangi | who knows, we have ruled out bids using that before though |
| 21:26 | drojf | i haven't :) |
| 21:26 | BobB_ | rotate from E to W? :) |
| 21:27 | drojf | i think |
| 21:27 | BobB i think we do not have enough options to have a fixed rule for that? | |
| 21:27 | thd | drojf: It has only been a guideline to follow for avoiding dominance by population which was discussed somewhat a few years ago. |
| 21:27 | rangi | it came in after the thousand of votes for kohacon11 |
| 21:28 | we'd be in india every year otherwise | |
| 21:28 | BobB_ | none of whom came to the conference |
| 21:28 | thd | rangi: As my call for proposals message has put it recently, we have never had to use such a rule in actual practise. |
| 21:28 | drojf | ok. good to know, i was not aware of that. |
| 21:29 | cait | maybe we need to vote on this next time |
| 21:29 | drojf | hm yeah the voring rules for kohacon… i think its not on the agenda this time and i forgot what was last zime, but we need to think about that |
| 21:29 | cait | so i will info it |
| 21:29 | BobB_ | cait we are an hour and a half into the meeting and only half way through the agenda |
| 21:29 | cait | exactly |
| 21:29 | rangi | i dont think we can blame cait for that |
| 21:29 | :) | |
| 21:30 | cait | #info Vote on a for continent rotation for KohaCons next meeting |
| 21:30 | drojf | i blame l*bl*me |
| 21:30 | BobB_ | not blamin' of course, just sayin' :) |
| 21:30 | mtompset | No one does, but it is rather long. |
| 21:30 | cait | can we skip the next topic? |
| 21:30 | rangi | yes |
| 21:30 | drojf | what is the next topic |
| 21:30 | cait | #topic International Koha Fund |
| 21:30 | Topic for #koha is now International Koha Fund (Meeting topic: Genereal IRC meeting 9 March 2016) | |
| 21:31 | mtompset | drojf: skipped mailing list announcement rules. |
| 21:31 | BobB_ | bag? or me? |
| 21:31 | bag | you start BobB_ |
| 21:31 | thd | The vote counting issue is moot so far for the next KohaCon if we enforce some rule for venue diversity. |
| 21:31 | BobB_ | ok Fundraising committee is doing two things: |
| 21:31 | - about to start talking about how to raise to money; | |
| 21:32 | drojf | ah no we skipped two, which both were mine |
| 21:32 | so the voting thing was on the list | |
| 21:32 | BobB_ | - and making rules for the Grants committee, in case we get some money! |
| 21:32 | drojf | ^^ |
| 21:32 | cait | drojf: sorry |
| 21:32 | BobB_ | So the draft rules for the Grants committee were put on the wiki last night |
| 21:33 | and are there to be read and commented on | |
| 21:33 | and voted on next month | |
| 21:33 | questions? | |
| 21:33 | drojf | yes |
| 21:33 | cait | #info draft rules for the Grants committee were put on the wiki and are there to be read and commented on |
| 21:33 | drojf | there is mentioning of a closed session. i wonder what things will be within such sessions |
| 21:33 | BobB_ | thx cait |
| 21:34 | mtompset | url? |
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| 21:34 | BobB_ | https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising |
| 21:34 | scrool down | |
| 21:34 | cait | #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising |
| 21:34 | BobB_ | scroll even |
| 21:35 | drojf | 2b Meetings of the Committee will be scheduled with at least 2 weeks of prior notice. A public agenda will be published prior to the meeting that will list all of the proposals under consideration. The agenda will specify which portions of the meeting will be open and which will be held in closed session. |
| 21:35 | mtompset | Ah, right in the minutes, sorry. |
| 21:35 | ^minutes^agenda^ | |
| 21:36 | BobB_ | droif I am trying to remember |
| 21:36 | gmcharlt | as I recall, it's a catch-all |
| 21:36 | drojf | BobB: not saying that can't be happening, just wondering what it is about, because it is not mentioned elsewhere |
| 21:37 | gmcharlt | as in, anything that involves money raises the spectre of sensitive issues that should not be promulgated |
| 21:37 | BobB_ | yes, to give the ocmmittee the option of private discussion, which should be made known rather than done secretly, if you follow me |
| 21:37 | gmcharlt | and the grants subcommittee is reserving the right to discuss any such matters in closed session -- but to say in advance that it woudl be doing so |
| 21:37 | BobB_ | gmcharlt well said |
| 21:39 | cait | drojf: does this answr your question? |
| 21:39 | BobB: would you be ok with a vote in may? or is there a need to have the vote in April? | |
| 21:40 | we could have the discussion on the mailing list | |
| 21:40 | BobB_ | until there is money in the fund, there are no grants to make, so these rules are not urgent |
| 21:40 | drojf | yes |
| 21:40 | thanks | |
| 21:40 | bag | ah an update on the money in the fund… one sec |
| 21:40 | we are a little over $300 dollars in the fund and we’ve had 2 donations so far in 2016 | |
| 21:41 | cait | nice start |
| 21:41 | BobB_ | and that is without any effort, so its good |
| 21:41 | cait | #info $300 dollars in the fund, 2 donations so far in 2016 |
| 21:41 | moving on | |
| 21:41 | can we save the brainstorming for gbsd? :) | |
| 21:42 | and get to set a date for the next meeting? | |
| 21:42 | bag | +1 |
| 21:42 | cait | #topic Set date and time for next meeting |
| 21:42 | Topic for #koha is now Set date and time for next meeting (Meeting topic: Genereal IRC meeting 9 March 2016) | |
| 21:43 | cait | wednesday, April 6th ? |
| 21:43 | 10 UTC? | |
| 21:44 | drojf | works for me |
| 21:44 | bag | +1 |
| 21:44 | that’s a difficult time to stay awake for 0200 for me | |
| 21:44 | cait | it's the normal rotation |
| 21:44 | rangi | yep thast fine |
| 21:44 | bag | I know I know ;) |
| 21:45 | cait | #agreed Next meeting will be on 6 April, 10 UTC |
| 21:45 | #endmeeting | |
| 21:45 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the IRC home of Koha https://koha-community.org | Code of conduct - https://koha-community.org/abo[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 21:45 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Mar 9 21:45:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 21:45 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-03-09-20.00.html | |
| 21:45 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]6-03-09-20.00.txt | |
| 21:45 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]09-20.00.log.html | |
| 21:45 | cait | sorry, bu ti am falling asleep ;) |
| 21:45 | BobB_ | 8pm - fine for me |
| 21:45 | thank you cait | |
| 21:45 | bag | thanks cait! |
| 21:45 | BobB_ | i am waking up :) |
| 21:45 | cait | stupid timezones :) |
| 21:46 | bag | time for foodz |
| 21:47 | drojf | i suppose nobody has evaluated if the two times now work better than the 3 times before or the 2 times per meeting? not volunteering, but i wonder if we have now more or less participation in the meetings |
| 21:47 | BobB_ | bag we have to schedule a FRC meeting |
| 21:47 | drojf | @seen mveron |
| 21:47 | huginn | drojf: mveron was last seen in #koha 1 week, 5 days, 2 hours, 2 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <mveron> Bye #koha :-) |
| 21:47 | thd | drojf: We had three times for an extended period/ |
| 21:49 | drojf: Alternating between three times would lead to the unpopular time having almost no attendance and defeating the purpose of a meeting. | |
| 21:49 | s/would/had/ | |
| 21:50 | drojf | thd: i assume so, but i would be interested in the hard facts (numbers of people actually attending) of those periods |
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| 21:51 | thd | You could check the meeting logs for attendance of meetings held at 2 UTC. |
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| 21:52 | bag | BobB_: I will be visint with Romana and Paul next week |
| 21:53 | can you send out an email BobB_ to suggest next meeting? | |
| 21:53 | Or do we need to wait and see if we have any comments on the grants doc? | |
| 21:57 | pianohacker | oh man, I forgot to jump in at the end of the meeting |
| 21:57 | I have a NUMBER of issues with the proposed versioning scheme | |
| 21:58 | cait | hm bit late |
| 21:58 | pianohacker | only kidding |
| 21:58 | I've wanted this for years | |
| 21:59 | bag | pianohacker++ |
| 21:59 | love it ;) | |
| 21:59 | yes cait pianohacker wants to name them all after piano’s | |
| 21:59 | pianohacker | 16.05: Steinway Edition |
| 22:00 | wizzyrea | phew I was going to have to get cross with you, pianohacker |
| 22:00 | :) | |
| 22:00 | (not really) | |
| 22:00 | I am happy about the new versioning system thoug! | |
| 22:00 | though* | |
| 22:01 | \o/ | |
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| 22:02 | tcohen | hey |
| 22:03 | wizzyrea | hi tcohen |
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| 22:03 | tcohen | minutes? |
| 22:04 | bag | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-03-09-20.00.html |
| 22:07 | tcohen | catmanduuu uworkshooooop |
| 22:08 | i hate you all | |
| 22:08 | rangi | https://librecatproject.wordpr[…]-viaf-identities/ |
| 22:08 | bag | yeah I’m a little jealous of that one - maybe we can get that repeated in greece |
| 22:08 | rangi | did you see that tcohen ? |
| 22:09 | tcohen | rangi: reading |
| 22:10 | oh | |
| 22:10 | awesome | |
| 22:12 | rangi | it is |
| 22:16 | tcohen | will we release on even years only? |
| 22:16 | :-P | |
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| 22:17 | Francesca | hello |
| 22:18 | wizzyrea | Hi Francesca :) |
| 22:18 | Francesca | i'll be seeing you all tomorrow (feels like forever) |
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| 22:54 | wizzyrea | sweet as! |
| 22:55 | mtompset | "single fat LDF server (256 GB RAM)." -- *I'M* Jealous. |
| 22:56 | drojf | bag, tcohen: You cannot get the catmandu workshop in greece, because johann is busy preparing stuff for ELAG the following week. doing it in greece was the first idea, i would not have interfered with that |
| 22:57 | mtompset | tcohen: I don't if you had time to look up from the other stuff you are tinkering with, but bug 15870 is signed off. |
| 22:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15870 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , Add Filter for MARC to respect visibility settings |
| 22:57 | bag | yeah totally understand that drojf |
| 22:58 | drojf | that said, i am suppose he would do it again another time if there is interest (and probably some funding for travel costs, depending on the location) |
| 22:58 | *i suppose | |
| 23:01 | he is organizing a catmandu something something release meeting in april, but i think that is mainly for catmandu core developers | |
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| 23:04 | drojf | anyway we should try and do more things together with librecat people. btw their ES store dev version suppoirts ES 2.0 now, not sure if that is relevant for us?! what version are we targetiing? |
| 23:05 | rangi | 2 |
| 23:05 | drojf | ok cool |
| 23:05 | rangi | getting lunch bbiab |
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| 23:09 | bag | drojf: how long are you in rome? |
| 23:09 | drojf | bag: monday to thursday |
| 23:10 | and you? | |
| 23:10 | bag | cool I land monday and fly out saturday |
| 23:12 | :) | |
| 23:12 | drojf | i think i arrive early afternoon on monday and leave around the same on thursday. really looking forward to it. it was on short notice but it fits in very well for me :) |
| 23:14 | bag: you don't have to talk, just supervise? ;) | |
| 23:14 | bag | I think I am talking a little about ES in the very beginning |
| 23:15 | but talljoy gives a good presentation about bibframe :) | |
| 23:15 | drojf | yeah i am looking forward to the workshop :) |
| 23:15 | bag | ok time for me to head home |
| 23:16 | drojf | time for me to go to bed :) see you here later or in rome! |
| 23:17 | good night #koha | |
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