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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:07 | pianohacker | when did login stop redirecting to the page you were trying to access? |
| 00:16 | wizzyrea | which login |
| 00:16 | pianohacker | bug 15945 |
| 00:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15945 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Not redirected back to original page after login |
| 00:16 | pianohacker | 912f238c5e4efa275e74cde77de184473e1f2dd7, auth.tt |
| 00:17 | wizzyrea | oh I guess you know the answer then |
| 00:18 | pianohacker | wizzyrea: yes, but it makes me sad |
| 00:18 | because I really liked that and I'm not sure how to fix that | |
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| 03:04 | jcamins | wizzyrea: if you line up custard brownies, regular brownies, and soufflé brownies, the differences are quite striking. The soufflé brownie is 50% taller than the custard brownie, with the regular brownie roughly in the middle. The soufflé brownie has a much finer crumb, though the other two look more-or-less the same, crumb-wise. The top of the soufflé brownie is a matte brown so dark as to be nearly black, the custard brownie has a much ... |
| 03:04 | ... lighter, glossy top, and the regular brownie has a mixture of dark matte and light glossy. | |
| 03:04 | The More You Know. | |
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| 03:05 | wizzyrea | I approve of your scientific approach to brownies |
| 03:06 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I told you how to select a non-dairy shortening for brownies, right? |
| 03:06 | wizzyrea | lol no |
| 03:06 | jcamins | Well... which one to choose. |
| 03:06 | wizzyrea | just use coconut oil? |
| 03:06 | >.> that's my solution. | |
| 03:07 | DONE> | |
| 03:07 | ^.^ | |
| 03:07 | jcamins | Good guess, but I didn't have enough coconut oil on hand, and that wasn't the question. |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | I am not a very technical baker. |
| 03:07 | ok how? | |
| 03:07 | which? | |
| 03:07 | wahanui | which is a different bucket of crazy |
| 03:07 | jcamins | Step 1: Consider your audience. Step 2: Decide if they are sophisticated. Step 3: If they are sophisticated, use cold pressed olive oil; if they are not, use vegetable oil. |
| 03:07 | Or, rather, have a sophisticated palate. | |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | hm. |
| 03:07 | * wizzyrea | still goes for coconut oil |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 03:08 | I always have a jug of it | |
| 03:08 | jcamins | Also, coconut allergies. |
| 03:08 | They suck. | |
| 03:08 | wizzyrea | yes, that's problematic. |
| 03:08 | jcamins | One of my best friends is allergic to coconut. :( |
| 03:08 | wizzyrea | what a terrible thing to be allergic to |
| 03:08 | jcamins | Everyone else is lactose intolerant. |
| 03:08 | wizzyrea | I'd be unhappy. If I lost either avocados or coconut my life would be sadder. |
| 03:08 | more sad. | |
| 03:08 | there we go. | |
| 03:09 | Skipping rebuild/update because flock failed on /var/lock/koha/site/rebuild/rebuild..LCK: Resource temporarily unavailable | |
| 03:09 | I STILL LOVE THIS. | |
| 03:09 | best ever. | |
| 03:09 | jcamins | That is such a good idea. |
| 03:09 | wizzyrea | it's in Koha now! |
| 03:09 | it does this smart thing all on it's own! | |
| 03:10 | a+ team :) | |
| 03:10 | jcamins | Anyway, regarding the selection of vegetable oil or olive oil, I was expecting to find that (almost) everyone preferred olive oil, or that it was random. |
| 03:10 | wizzyrea | (it's been like this for a while) |
| 03:10 | jcamins | I know. |
| 03:10 | It changed while I was still using Koha. | |
| 03:10 | Regularly. | |
| 03:10 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 03:11 | jcamins | In a surprise of epic proportions, I was able to predict which brownie a person would prefer by asking "do you cook a lot" in all but three cases. |
| 03:11 | wizzyrea | tfw you realise that the reason the item type searches are bringing no results is because there are NO RECORDS PROVIDED in that item type. |
| 03:11 | lol | |
| 03:11 | jcamins | In those three cases, they didn't cook but still preferred olive oil. |
| 03:11 | Confetti! | |
| 03:11 | wahanui | o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
| 03:11 | jcamins | Search is working! |
| 03:11 | Search? | |
| 03:11 | wahanui | Search is for the patrons not the librarians |
| 03:13 | wizzyrea | working as expected given the parameters, I'd say. :) |
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| 03:44 | wizzyrea | 3.10 -> 3.22 takes aaaaaages |
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| 06:46 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:15 | * cait | sighs about uri escaping in xslt |
| 07:15 | cait | bug 14441 |
| 07:15 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14441 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Signed Off , TrackClicks cuts off/breaks URLs |
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| 07:43 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:43 | wahanui | privet, reiveune |
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| 08:08 | Joubu | hi |
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| 08:15 | gaetan_B | bonjour |
| 08:39 | magnuse | bonjour! |
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| 08:52 | LibraryClaire | morning |
| 08:58 | magnuse | hiya LibraryClaire |
| 09:01 | LibraryClaire | hey magnuse :) |
| 09:02 | Joubu | @later tell tcohen, ping me about the Circ_issuingrule tests, I don't understand what you meant |
| 09:02 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:07 | LibraryClaire | @wunder LCY |
| 09:07 | huginn | LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 9.0°C (8:50 AM GMT on March 01, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling). |
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| 09:10 | cait | morning #koha |
| 09:10 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 09:10 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 2.0°C (10:00 AM CET on March 01, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1009 hPa (Falling). |
| 09:10 | magnuse | kia ora cait |
| 09:15 | LibraryClaire | hi cait :) |
| 09:15 | cait | hi all |
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| 09:27 | johan | hello, i was wondering if anyone can help me, with a question concerning adding books with Cyrillic letters, when I add the books the letters are simle dark blocks with question marks. I am new in koha (any help will really be appreciated! |
| 09:31 | cait | johan: how are you adding the letters? |
| 09:31 | um adding the records | |
| 09:32 | gaetan_B | johan: hello, also what kind of computer are you using? |
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| 09:32 | johan | i am using ubuntu, |
| 09:32 | * gaetan_B | is not sure if it really matters |
| 09:33 | cait | are you entering the data manually or are you trying to import records? |
| 09:33 | gaetan_B | cait's idea is probably better |
| 09:33 | johan | i go to tools, Stage MARC records for import, |
| 09:33 | cait | ok |
| 09:33 | are your records utf-8/unicode? | |
| 09:33 | johan | yes |
| 09:33 | cait | did you select that encoding on improting? |
| 09:34 | koha can handle data in all kinds of scripts - an encoding issue with the data is the most likely thing | |
| 09:34 | amaravati | Hello! I was hoping to get some help with search in Koha. We have English books, but also chinese, korean, japanese books. But Opac/koha can't search these records (it just give all the 'non' latin records). I tried this http://tech-dig.blogspot.co.uk[…]-in-koha-and.html but can't complete it becuase the cfg files doesn't seem to be there (running Koha 3.22 on Jessie) |
| 09:34 | johan | well, not exactly sure what yo mean, i apologise, it is a rusmarx file |
| 09:35 | rusmarc file | |
| 09:35 | cait | amaravati: have a look for ICU in the koha wiki - it's an indexing option that is needed in order for non-lating search to work alright |
| 09:35 | amaravati: but it's a solvable thing - once you have icu, things will work | |
| 09:35 | johan | .rmc |
| 09:35 | amaravati | Yes...it is Turned on...but still doesn't give any difference (i did rebuild zebra afterwards) |
| 09:36 | cait | it#s not enough to switch the preference |
| 09:36 | amaravati | Fuzzy search etc are turn off.. |
| 09:37 | cait: what do you mean? what else todo? | |
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| 09:38 | cait | you need to set it up server side too one sec |
| 09:38 | take a look here for an example: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]of_Arabic_records | |
| 09:39 | amaravati | I saw that before. Does that mean I have to add 'manually' for chinese the edits on words-icu.xml? |
| 09:39 | Also for korean, for japanese 'etc' | |
| 09:39 | (like polish https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]f_Polish_records) | |
| 09:41 | cait | no |
| 09:41 | just leave that out and use the standard file that is already part of koha | |
| 09:41 | that is only some advanced things that you don't need when you enter the characters as you want them to be found | |
| 09:42 | ah sorry, i misread | |
| 09:42 | sorry, i am confusing | |
| 09:42 | amaravati | ? |
| 09:42 | cait | you want to change manually the default.idx file |
| 09:43 | amaravati | Yes... done! |
| 09:43 | cait | but using the words-icu.xml that comes with koha as is should be fine |
| 09:43 | amaravati | add the line icuchain words-icu.xml (twice), which I didn't do before... |
| 09:43 | Now I am rebuilding zebra | |
| 09:43 | let's see | |
| 09:43 | cait | johan: i think your .rusmarc file is maybe not unicode encoded |
| 09:43 | i am not sure what other differences between rusmarc and marc21 there are, but maybe something to investigage | |
| 09:44 | amaravati: keeping fingers crossed | |
| 09:44 | johan | thank you, will continue to look |
| 09:45 | amaravati | finger crossed |
| 09:52 | Yahoooo...it is working! Thanks Cait! | |
| 09:53 | But need to say, it is a bit of confusing with all those 'solutions' on the net! :( | |
| 09:55 | cait | sory for that - not really a way to stop it tho |
| 09:55 | in general starting at the wiki is a good advice | |
| 09:57 | it's probably the most up to date documentation apart from the manual | |
| 09:58 | amaravati | Would it also make sense to add some 'extra text' in the Koha -> icu option. That one need to 'do more on the server side'? |
| 10:09 | cait | it could be more clear i think |
| 10:09 | Please note: This setting will not affect Zebra indexing, it should only be used to tell Koha that you have activated ICU indexing if you have actually done so, since there is no way for Koha to figure this out on its own. | |
| 10:09 | it does try to tell you :) | |
| 10:40 | but the word 'server-side' would probably help | |
| 11:02 | Joubu | alex_a: what's the status of bug 15832? |
| 11:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15832 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Pending reserves: duplicates branches in datatable filter |
| 11:02 | Joubu | (test plan missing) |
| 11:10 | alex_a | I did that ? |
| 11:12 | oh yes | |
| 11:32 | Joubu: status changed, test plan added. Sorry for that | |
| 11:32 | Joubu | np! |
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| 13:00 | amaravati | Hey... anyone know why /cgi-bin/koha/about.pl in koha stops in October 2015? (About Koha --> timeline) |
| 13:01 | Joubu | amaravati: because it has not been updated since October |
| 13:02 | amaravati | haha :) |
| 13:02 | OK, Joubu..touche | |
| 13:02 | Joubu | see bug 7143 |
| 13:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Passed QA , Bug for tracking changes to the about page |
| 13:02 | amaravati | Thankss! didn't know this was logged already |
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| 13:08 | amaravati | Hi, anyone know how to 'solve' You are missing the <log4perl_conf> entry in your koha-conf.xml file. Please add it, pointing to the log4perl.conf file for your Koha instance |
| 13:08 | tcohen | morning |
| 13:09 | kidclamp | morning |
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| 13:28 | magnuse | kia ora tcohen kidclamp atheia |
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| 13:28 | francharb | Good morning #koha |
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| 13:30 | kidclamp | hi magnuse |
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| 13:31 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 13:32 | atheia | hi magnuse! |
| 13:37 | magnuse | nengard! NateC! oleonard! |
| 13:38 | nengard | :) |
| 13:38 | magnuse!!! | |
| 13:38 | wahanui | magnuse is a Norwegian giant. |
| 13:38 | NateC | greetings magnuse !! |
| 13:38 | tcohen | hi magnuse NateC |
| 13:39 | druthb | magnuse! nengard! NateC! oleonard! cait!! |
| 13:40 | NateC | druthb!!! |
| 13:40 | wahanui | She's really more trouble than she's worth, you know? |
| 13:41 | * druthb | pats wahanui on the head |
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| 13:47 | drojf | hi #koha |
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| 14:17 | Joubu | @later tell tcohen about "t_db_dependent_Circulation_Issuingrule_t.GetIssuingCharge returns issuingrule1's informations (47)", could you check the table structure of issuingrules on D7? |
| 14:17 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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| 14:50 | bag | morning |
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| 14:51 | bag | @nickometer BAG |
| 14:51 | huginn | bag: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 14:51 | bag | :P |
| 15:01 | * cait | waves |
| 15:01 | cait | am here |
| 15:01 | bag | hi there |
| 15:01 | wahanui | hey, bag |
| 15:02 | cait | but could someone else co-chair please? |
| 15:02 | bag | hmm let me see |
| 15:02 | khall: can you chair? | |
| 15:02 | khall | bag: I don't know how! |
| 15:02 | are there any quick docs? | |
| 15:02 | cait | i will start the meeting |
| 15:02 | and just add you as another chair | |
| 15:02 | bag | I will not be here for the whole meeting but I’ll help you khall |
| 15:02 | cait | so you can switch topic etc |
| 15:03 | khall | cool, can do then! |
| 15:03 | cait | it's been quite a chaotic day - sorry I am a bit confused today |
| 15:03 | bag | well let’s see how many people we have today cait |
| 15:04 | if it’s just the 3 of us - maybe no meeting | |
| 15:04 | cait | #startmeeting Development IRC Meeting 1 March 2016 |
| 15:04 | huginn | Meeting started Tue Mar 1 15:04:25 2016 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:04 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 15:04 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC Meeting 1 March 2016) | |
| 15:04 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_1_march_2016' |
| 15:04 | cait | #chair khall |
| 15:04 | huginn | Current chairs: cait khall |
| 15:04 | cait | #chair bag |
| 15:04 | huginn | Current chairs: bag cait khall |
| 15:04 | cait | #topic Introductions |
| 15:04 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 15:04 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC Meeting 1 March 2016) | |
| 15:04 | cait | Please introduce yourself with #info |
| 15:05 | bag | #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater |
| 15:05 | cait | Today's agenda is at https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ting_1_March_2016 |
| 15:06 | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ | |
| 15:06 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
| 15:06 | khall | #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions |
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| 15:07 | slef | #info MJ Ray, software.coop |
| 15:07 | bag | hey slef |
| 15:07 | slef | hi |
| 15:07 | wahanui | hello, slef |
| 15:08 | cait | moving on? |
| 15:08 | slef | +1 |
| 15:09 | cait | #topic Announcements |
| 15:09 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC Meeting 1 March 2016) | |
| 15:09 | cait | just giving the RM a chance to say something ;) |
| 15:09 | bag | caught up last week with the queue - well sort of |
| 15:09 | lots of follow up this week | |
| 15:09 | somethings are broken - but we’ve got time to work on those | |
| 15:10 | jenkins being stable is a going to be a big push in the next month or two | |
| 15:10 | kidclamp | #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions |
| 15:10 | bag | I will keep looking at the patches |
| 15:10 | atheia | #info Alex Sassmannshausen, PTFS Europe |
| 15:10 | bag | I am interested in a discussion about 11081 |
| 15:10 | bug 11081 | |
| 15:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11081 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Port Koha::Contrib::Tamil indexer into Koha code base |
| 15:10 | hector | #info Hector Castro, Universidad de El Salvador |
| 15:10 | khall | bag: It's on the agenda |
| 15:10 | nengard | #info Nicole Engard, ByWater Solutions |
| 15:10 | cait | ah, channel is filling up |
| 15:11 | NateC | #info Nate Curulla ByWater Solutions |
| 15:11 | bag | but I think we need more people here - so maybe I’ll bring that to general meeting instead? |
| 15:11 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
| 15:11 | cait | bag: this or next meeting? |
| 15:11 | barton | #info Barton Chittenden, Bywater |
| 15:12 | khall | bag: I think the subject matter is more appropriate for a developer meeting than a general meeting, but that's your call |
| 15:12 | cait | my feeling is that we should evaluate how much needed it is... becuse Moose is rather big I was tol |
| 15:12 | d | |
| 15:12 | bag | let’s talk now |
| 15:12 | cait | and we keep adding a lot to the dependencies |
| 15:12 | wait a sec | |
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| 15:12 | cait | switching topic |
| 15:12 | #topic Discussion on bug 11081 - Moose | |
| 15:12 | Topic for #koha is now Discussion on bug 11081 - Moose (Meeting topic: Development IRC Meeting 1 March 2016) | |
| 15:12 | cait | ok now |
| 15:13 | bag | yes cait that’s a “con” - it’s big |
| 15:13 | khall | I don't consider that such a con unless that has an acutal impact somehow |
| 15:13 | bag | https://bugs.koha-community.or[…].cgi?id=11081#c30 |
| 15:13 | huginn | 04Bug 11081: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Port Koha::Contrib::Tamil indexer into Koha code base |
| 15:13 | khall | it's always very popular and widely used |
| 15:14 | cait | #link https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=11081 |
| 15:14 | huginn | 04Bug 11081: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Port Koha::Contrib::Tamil indexer into Koha code base |
| 15:14 | bag | I think that’s the comment that we need to understand - right? comment number 30 |
| 15:14 | cait | i haven't had time to research where we left discussion last time |
| 15:15 | I think there was a big consensus that Moo is ok - but disagreements about Moose | |
| 15:15 | what is not clear to me - we already have the koha indexer - does the tamil one bring a big advantage over it? | |
| 15:15 | just trying to understand the importance of this dev | |
| 15:15 | khall | as far as my research has shown, the only downside to Moose is the startup cost, after startup Moose is about as fast as Moo, but that startup cost is why we cannot use it for CGI scripts |
| 15:16 | cait | I ws told it pulls in a lot of packages - so that makes me a bit worried about maintaining it as a dependency for a single feature |
| 15:16 | khall | cait: afaik the current indexing daemon has issues and is not recommended, this is a replacement for that |
| 15:17 | I think the standard practice at the moment is to use the fast indexer cron script | |
| 15:17 | but, that means a delay of at least minutes between a record being catalogued and it showing in searches, which frustrates librarians | |
| 15:17 | the daemon is meant to resolve that issue | |
| 15:18 | cait | khall: hm that's new to me |
| 15:18 | to my knowledge tcohen has used it for a while | |
| 15:18 | i think we are talking about different things | |
| 15:18 | khall | cait: to address your last comment, Moose is very popular, so the only real issue is the use of MooseX modules which are not in Debian. However, they've already been packaged in our own debian repo |
| 15:19 | cait | the old old way was dropped in prefrence of the cronjob, but i know tcohen has been running an indexer |
| 15:19 | khall | I don't think we need to worry about Moose maintenance due to it's popularity |
| 15:19 | cait: I may be out of date on the current state of the old indexing daemon ; ) | |
| 15:19 | cait | i'd really like to get an opinion from gmcharlt is packaging maintainer |
| 15:19 | slef | Is Moose upstream friendly towards packaging and backwards stability? |
| 15:20 | cait | khall: give me a moment to dig it up |
| 15:20 | i think you might have missed something - but we will check that :) | |
| 15:20 | slef | (I've just seen another popular package elsewhere be abandoned due to upstream hostility/abusiveness) |
| 15:20 | cait | koha-indexer in the packages i think |
| 15:21 | ok, this is a bug related to the feature, but not the base bug | |
| 15:21 | https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=15011 | |
| 15:21 | gmcharlt: ? | |
| 15:21 | bag | ok well still more discussion is needed. I will leave it for now. I was hoping tcohen could be around |
| 15:22 | Joubu | http://meetings.koha-community[…]15-15.06.log.html |
| 15:22 | cait | khall: maybe bug 8773 |
| 15:22 | Joubu | this is the meeting log of the Moo vs Moose discussion |
| 15:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, CLOSED FIXED, Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup |
| 15:22 | bag | ah good thanks Joubu - I’ll read that later - that should help me |
| 15:22 | cait | Launch an indexing daemon (rebuild_zebra.pl -daemon) process for each enabled instance. Enabling/disabling the use of the indexer is handled by global configuration variables in /etc/default/koha-common. Also provides command line tools to manage the running indexer daemons for your instances. |
| 15:23 | bag | I think we can move on for now cait - that has taking a bunch of time |
| 15:23 | cait | ok, one sec |
| 15:23 | khall | Joubu: That entire discussion was in the context of using Moose in CGI scripts, so I don't believe it applies in this case. |
| 15:23 | cait | any action items we shoudl log? |
| 15:23 | khall | What we need to do is decide if we should allow Moose in CLI applications, or make it verboten in general |
| 15:23 | cait: I suggest we start a koha-devel thread for this | |
| 15:23 | cait | ok |
| 15:23 | Joubu | khall: I don't think so, it was about bug 11190, which is a cmd line script |
| 15:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11190 new feature, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Stable , sitemap.pl -- Generate a catalog sitemap |
| 15:24 | cait | can you start it? |
| 15:24 | bag | I would say - yup what khall said |
| 15:24 | cait | #action khall to start mailing list thread about Moose in context of command line scripts |
| 15:24 | moving on to the coding guidlines | |
| 15:24 | #topic Review Coding Guidelines | |
| 15:24 | Topic for #koha is now Review Coding Guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC Meeting 1 March 2016) | |
| 15:25 | cait | there are currently no proposals for new coding guidelines |
| 15:25 | khall | Joubu: you are correct, my memory was not so good ; ) |
| 15:25 | cait | so we will move to the 'reword/update' |
| 15:25 | i had something prepared... but left the file on my laptop at home | |
| 15:25 | so if you are ok with that, i'd move to the second first | |
| 15:25 | JS4 | |
| 15:26 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]h_other_variables | |
| 15:26 | We used to recommend: Avoid building sentences by concatenating multiple translatable strings. Your language may not use the same sentence structure. The best options keep strings at the beginning or end of a construction. This is incorrect: | |
| 15:26 | IMO this no longer applies | |
| 15:26 | we have a better wy now to handle this | |
| 15:27 | * oleonard | agrees |
| 15:27 | cait | Introduced by bug 15662 |
| 15:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15662 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleishaamohia, Pushed to Master , String and translatability fix to Label Creator |
| 15:27 | cait | hmm |
| 15:27 | maybe that is the wrong bug | |
| 15:28 | ok, does someone have the right informationa bout the format syntax? :) | |
| 15:28 | khall | bug 12138 |
| 15:28 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12138 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, CLOSED FIXED, Use placeholders in translatable javascript strings |
| 15:28 | cait | thx a lot |
| 15:28 | khall++ | |
| 15:28 | khall | : ) |
| 15:28 | cait | #link http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12138 |
| 15:28 | huginn | 04Bug 12138: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, CLOSED FIXED, Use placeholders in translatable javascript strings |
| 15:28 | cait | so we shoudl recommend that |
| 15:29 | and vetos? :) | |
| 15:29 | khall | +1 by me |
| 15:29 | cait | the example looks somewhat like this: _("Are you sure you want to delete the %s attached items?").format(count) |
| 15:30 | and this will give the translator %s placeholders they can move around and a single sentence to translate instead of bits and pieces of a sentence | |
| 15:30 | +1 by me too | |
| 15:30 | oleonard | +1 |
| 15:30 | Joubu | +1 |
| 15:30 | cait | would someone volunteer to rewrite the rule with an example? |
| 15:30 | atheia | +1 |
| 15:31 | kidclamp | +1 |
| 15:31 | * oleonard | volunteers |
| 15:31 | khall | thanks oleonard! |
| 15:31 | bag | +1 |
| 15:32 | cait | #action oleonard to rewrite JS4 rule in light of bug 12138 |
| 15:32 | next is PERL7 | |
| 15:33 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ERL7:_Definitions | |
| 15:33 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]lines#Terminology | |
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| 15:33 | cait | i'd like to replace PERL7 and the terminology link at the top by a single rule |
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| 15:34 | cait | referring to our terminology page first |
| 15:34 | and pointing out that the terms of the english interface should be considered the standard for naming things? | |
| 15:34 | inside... andout - templates and code | |
| 15:35 | khall | agreed! |
| 15:35 | cait | and maybe at odlis for new things to be named? |
| 15:35 | barton | seconded! (or thirded?) |
| 15:35 | Joubu | https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Terminology is the page ref |
| 15:35 | khall | cait: that sounds reasonable and good |
| 15:35 | Joubu++ for his work to this end | |
| 15:35 | cait | hm terminology link at the bottom not at the top.... but i gave you a link anyway :) |
| 15:36 | Joubu++ | |
| 15:36 | bag | Joubu++ |
| 15:36 | cait | so... terminology, english templates, odlis? |
| 15:36 | barton | Joubu++ |
| 15:37 | khall | +1 from me |
| 15:37 | barton | what is (are?) odlis? |
| 15:38 | khall | #link http://www.abc-clio.com/ODLIS/odlis_a.aspx |
| 15:38 | barton: a standard for library terminology | |
| 15:38 | cait | +1 |
| 15:38 | someon willing to write that up? | |
| 15:39 | * khall | volunteers |
| 15:39 | cait | #action khall to write up a new PERL7 version "terminology wiki page, templates, odlis" |
| 15:40 | are we ok to move on? | |
| 15:40 | bag | yup |
| 15:40 | barton | +1 |
| 15:40 | cait | PERL12 |
| 15:40 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]s#PERL12:_VERSION | |
| 15:40 | [Deprecated as of start of 3.12 release cycle] Each module should have a $VERSION variable to preserve progressive levels of compatibility with dependent code. | |
| 15:41 | Action from last meeting: Verify if perlcritic complains about missing VERSION and figure out, if we want/can reconfigure it. | |
| 15:41 | [mtompset] perlcritic does not complain about missing $VERSION until -2, but since we only perlcritic to -5, there is no need to keep this. | |
| 15:41 | the vote would be to obsolete this one and remove it from the coding guidelines | |
| 15:41 | i am not sure if there are remaining $VERSION that shoudl be actively removed from the codebase | |
| 15:43 | Joubu | Maybe the best would be to keep it up to date |
| 15:43 | cait | hm? |
| 15:43 | Joubu | perl-reversion can help us |
| 15:44 | https://metacpan.org/pod/distr[…]es/perl-reversion | |
| 15:44 | There is no point to keep $VERSION=3.07.*, as we don't update it | |
| 15:44 | cait | ok, so that would be a second proposal |
| 15:44 | instead of removing - using it :) | |
| 15:44 | Joubu | but it would make sense to keep it (I think I have read somewhere it's a good practice) |
| 15:45 | cait | maybe a silly question... but what is it good for when we are using git to track all changes? |
| 15:45 | Joubu | it could be added to the release script |
| 15:45 | cait | hm what do people think? |
| 15:45 | barton | it can help with dependency tracking. |
| 15:46 | khall | I tend to agree, for example the NCIP server uses Koha libraries, and could have different connector modules depending on the Koha version. |
| 15:46 | since the API may change | |
| 15:47 | I would suggest it be a function of the RM ( scriptable if possible ) to update the Module versions with each release. | |
| 15:47 | cait | could you write up proposal about this? |
| 15:47 | khall | Joubu: would you be willing to add that to the release script? |
| 15:48 | cait: I think that pretty much *is* the proposal ; ) | |
| 15:48 | Joubu | yes, will do |
| 15:48 | bag | sweet |
| 15:48 | khall | Joubu++ |
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| 15:49 | khall | cait: Add and update $VERSION variables for all Koha modules so API changes can be dealt with by external projects using Koha modules |
| 15:51 | cait | ok - waht about the coding guiedeline? |
| 15:51 | undeprecate it? | |
| 15:52 | or just add a note that they will be dealt with automatically and hsould not be touched? | |
| 15:52 | khall | Joubu: what do you think? |
| 15:53 | Joubu | yes, should not be touched, but what about new modules? |
| 15:53 | set as the version used in master I'd say | |
| 15:53 | khall | agreed |
| 15:54 | cait | ok, someone to write that up? |
| 15:54 | khall | Joubu: initially? I don't think the Module versions should change unless some api changes |
| 15:55 | but I think using the Koha version to set the initial version would be fine | |
| 15:55 | cait | the first version to be set on a new file? |
| 15:55 | was that the question? | |
| 15:55 | Joubu | I will have a look at the common best practices, and let you know |
| 15:55 | khall | and then if any api changes, update the module version to the current Koha version? |
| 15:55 | Joubu: excellent | |
| 15:55 | Joubu | I'd say: Set Koha::version to all our modules |
| 15:56 | for new modules, use the current koha::version | |
| 15:56 | and update module $version for stable branches only | |
| 15:56 | khall | #action Joubu will look into best practices for dealing with module versioning |
| 15:56 | I think that sounds pretty good | |
| 15:56 | cait | #info New proposal to make use of the Versioning instead of removing it |
| 15:57 | ok | |
| 15:57 | the last is a proposal from khall about restructuring hte page | |
| 15:58 | i think we have some double ups and inconsistencies | |
| 15:58 | and also probably we need a better numbering/naming scheme | |
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| 15:59 | cait | it's a bit long and daunting... maybe pslitting it up into smaller pieces? |
| 15:59 | khall | Maybe we get rid of the numbering scheme altogehter and just use names |
| 15:59 | Joubu | I'd love to get all of them on the same page |
| 15:59 | cait | one page for all? |
| 16:00 | khall | e.g. Coding Guidelines => Perl => Object Oriented |
| 16:00 | cait | it would help with deprecating things |
| 16:00 | khall | I think one page is still adequate for the time being |
| 16:00 | oleonard | I thought the proposal was to break it into separate pages? |
| 16:00 | cait | it was something i suggested |
| 16:00 | maybe it could be just clear sections | |
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| 16:00 | cait | not every new developer will need database/perl - my idea was if we could make it a bit less daunting |
| 16:00 | khall | I think one page vs many pages is not a serious issue at the moment, we can always break it up later if need be |
| 16:01 | cait | but yeah, mostly it needs a restructuring i think |
| 16:01 | khall | I would still propose we follow the structure of https://make.wordpress.org/cor[…]coding-standards/ |
| 16:01 | cait | i'd like to see how khall's idea turns out |
| 16:01 | #link https://make.wordpress.org/cor[…]coding-standards/ | |
| 16:01 | khall | and maybe take some of it's suggestions as well |
| 16:02 | oleonard | I like that, and plan to suggest some of their guidelines for HTML and CSS. |
| 16:02 | cait | ok |
| 16:02 | so shall we vote? | |
| 16:02 | on having kyle draw up a draft ? | |
| 16:03 | khall | sure! |
| 16:03 | cait | +1 |
| 16:03 | oleonard | +1 |
| 16:03 | hector | +1 |
| 16:03 | bag | +1 |
| 16:03 | Joubu | +1 |
| 16:03 | khall | +1 |
| 16:03 | nengard | +1 |
| 16:03 | kidclamp | +1 |
| 16:04 | cait | #action khall to draw up a draft following the structure of https://make.wordpress.org/cor[…]coding-standards/ |
| 16:04 | khall: could you take over for your suggestion for PERL7? | |
| 16:04 | khall | ok |
| 16:05 | I propose the following verbiage: http://paste.koha-community.org/322 | |
| 16:05 | The same vocabulary should be used both in internally in source code ( Module names, variable names, etc ) and externally ( javascript, templates, etc ). | |
| 16:05 | Canonical Koha terminology is listed on the [Terminology] page. | |
| 16:05 | If you are developing a new feature that requires new terminology, please locate and use the matching term defined by [ODLIS](http://www.abc-clio.com/ODLIS/odlis_a.aspx). | |
| 16:05 | If you cannot find an appropriate term via ODLIS, please bring the question to the Koha community via the Koha Developers Mailing List or the next Koha Developers IRC Meeting. | |
| 16:07 | any questions? or shall we vote? | |
| 16:07 | atheia | typo: …used both in internally in… |
| 16:07 | Should change to …used both internally in… | |
| 16:07 | khall | noted, thanks atheia. will fix |
| 16:08 | atheia | np :-) |
| 16:08 | khall | The same vocabulary should be used both internally in source code ( Module names, variable names, etc ) and externally ( javascript, templates, etc ). |
| 16:08 | Canonical Koha terminology is listed on the [Terminology] page. | |
| 16:08 | If you are developing a new feature that requires new terminology, please locate and use the matching term defined by [ODLIS](http://www.abc-clio.com/ODLIS/odlis_a.aspx). | |
| 16:08 | If you cannot find an appropriate term via ODLIS, please bring the question to the Koha community via the Koha Developers Mailing List or the next Koha Developers IRC Meeting. | |
| 16:08 | wahanui | i already had it that way, khall. |
| 16:09 | Joubu | /(members|borrowers|users)/patrons/g #easy |
| 16:09 | khall | heh |
| 16:09 | any other questions or comments? | |
| 16:10 | shall we vote then? | |
| 16:11 | kidclamp | yes |
| 16:11 | khall | +1 |
| 16:11 | hector | +1 |
| 16:11 | cait | +1 |
| 16:11 | kidclamp | +1 |
| 16:12 | Joubu | +1 |
| 16:12 | bag | +1 |
| 16:12 | atheia | +1 |
| 16:14 | khall | #action khall will update the PERL7 rule to match the agreed verbiage |
| 16:15 | cait | thx khall |
| 16:15 | ok, onw it's about 1:15 in | |
| 16:15 | shall we try to look at another topic or continue next time? | |
| 16:15 | khall | If we have a minute I think we can put the Moose / Moo issue to rest |
| 16:16 | I would like to recant my position based on the fact the Joubu pointed out that my memory is bad ; ) | |
| 16:16 | cait | ok? |
| 16:16 | so are we sticking with Moo? | |
| 16:17 | i haven't read up on Joubu's link *confesses* | |
| 16:17 | khall | Based on the past discussion I think we should add a simple rule that says "No Moose, use Moo" and we should revert the bug |
| 16:17 | Joubu | use Moo for cli scripts only? |
| 16:17 | khall | I think the rule should just be "Use Moo, not Moose" in general |
| 16:17 | cait | ok, quick vote? |
| 16:17 | Joubu | that is the current consensus iirc |
| 16:18 | khall | if it applies to CLI, it certainly applies to CGI |
| 16:18 | bag | ok |
| 16:18 | Joubu | if it applies to cgi, we will have to accept Koha::* using Moo |
| 16:20 | khall | Joubu: would you propose only Koha::Object(s) and Class:Accessor only for CGI? |
| 16:20 | Joubu | that's the current position |
| 16:20 | khall | and bespoke OOP of course when applicable |
| 16:21 | that seems reasonable, I will write up a rule proposal for next time | |
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| 16:21 | Joubu | IMO we should not accept 3 different ways to implement Koha classes |
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| 16:22 | khall | Joubu: I agree, I think Koha::Object(s) for db table driven objects, and Class:Accessor for non-db driven objects is acceptable |
| 16:22 | Joubu | yep |
| 16:22 | * cait | thinks either Joubu or khall shoudl write a proposal |
| 16:23 | cait | we could also use this to fix the first point we left out today |
| 16:23 | [kfischer] Merge new PERL20 and PERL20.1 into PERL15 | |
| 16:23 | * khall | volunteers |
| 16:23 | cait | because that also touches koha::object and class::accessor |
| 16:23 | and shoudl be in one place imp | |
| 16:23 | imo:) | |
| 16:23 | khall | cait: agreed, I will take all that into account |
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| 16:24 | oleonard | Speaking of the wiki, I'd love to get something like this to use: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki[…]SyntaxHighlighter |
| 16:24 | cait | #action khall to propose a wording for the Moo,not Moose and PERL20, PERL20.1 and PERL15 fusion ;) |
| 16:25 | Joubu | off topic: It would be good to know if people are using 3.22 in production, and if they have perf issues or not |
| 16:26 | cait | i worked with one of our installations today.. it seemed certainly slower than 3.18 |
| 16:26 | it's not live yet | |
| 16:26 | and not using plack | |
| 16:26 | Joubu | I'd not recommend 3.22 without Plack |
| 16:26 | it will be terribly slow | |
| 16:26 | cait | in general,.. there were complaints about speed in the comments from Marshall's survey - but hard to tell without knowing specs/hardware |
| 16:27 | oleonard: i'd like the wiki to be updated a bit | |
| 16:27 | not sure how possible it is | |
| 16:28 | oleonard: maybe ask gmcharlt or put it on next meeting's agenda? | |
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| 16:29 | cait | are we good to end here? |
| 16:29 | khall | I think so |
| 16:29 | Joubu | I have asked once to add a plugin to the wiki, someone told me no. |
| 16:29 | * Joubu | does not remember who/what/when |
| 16:29 | cait | #topic Set time and date of next meeting |
| 16:29 | Topic for #koha is now Set time and date of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC Meeting 1 March 2016) | |
| 16:29 | gmcharlt | I think a syntax highlighting plugin makes sense for the wiki |
| 16:29 | * oleonard | will think of a good bribe |
| 16:30 | cait | i think our wiki is a bit nonstandard... that's my impression |
| 16:30 | gmcharlt | but first step will be a general mediawiki upgrade, as it's long overdue for one |
| 16:30 | cait | gmcharlt: action item? ;) |
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| 16:30 | gmcharlt | cait: sure, why not |
| 16:31 | cait | #action gmcharlt to update wiki and consider highlighting plugin |
| 16:31 | #link https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki[…]SyntaxHighlighter | |
| 16:31 | we got a lot done | |
| 16:31 | do we need a meeting again in 2 weeks or switch to monthly? | |
| 16:32 | bag | no opinion |
| 16:33 | * oleonard | votes 2 weeks |
| 16:33 | cait | ok |
| 16:33 | so that woudl leave us with | |
| 16:33 | 15th | |
| 16:33 | I won't be able to attend in that week | |
| 16:34 | because I will be at the german library congess | |
| 16:34 | so someone else would have to take over chairing | |
| 16:34 | bag | I’ll be in italy so I can’t make it either |
| 16:34 | oleonard | Okay never mind :) |
| 16:34 | cait | 3 weeks? :) |
| 16:35 | tuesdday 22nd | |
| 16:35 | 19UTC? | |
| 16:35 | bag | seems doable |
| 16:36 | cait | #agreed next dev meeting will be at 22 march, 19 UTC |
| 16:36 | #endmeeting | |
| 16:36 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the IRC home of Koha https://koha-community.org | Code of conduct - https://koha-community.org/abo[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 16:36 | huginn | Meeting ended Tue Mar 1 16:36:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 16:36 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-03-01-15.04.html | |
| 16:36 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]6-03-01-15.04.txt | |
| 16:36 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]01-15.04.log.html | |
| 16:36 | cait | thx all - have a good rest of your day :) |
| 16:37 | oleonard | cait++ |
| 16:37 | bag | thanks cait |
| 16:38 | reiveune | bye |
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| 17:04 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Revert Bug 11081 - Port Koha::Contrib::Tamil indexer into Koha code base <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a7abc6c188af71e47> |
| 17:08 | geek_cl | hi #koha pipl ! |
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| 17:08 | geek_cl | "detail.pl: Illegal date specified (year = 0, month = 0, day = 00) at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/catalogue/detail.pl line 210" where i need to specify that timezone or date format ? |
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| 17:40 | oleonard | geek_cl: Is that error causing problems? Or is it simply something you noticed in your error log? |
| 17:41 | geek_cl | sometimes some items or records, not are 'showed', at opac or staff, giving a 504 Gateway Time-out / The server didn't respond in time. |
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| 17:47 | geek_cl | oleonard, also i'd like to know where i need to specify that timezone or date format ?, OS,KOHA,MYSQL |
| 17:48 | oleonard | I think the error is saying that somewhere in your data there is a date '0000-00-00' |
| 17:48 | There is a dateformat system preference, but I don't think that is relevant to the error. | |
| 17:48 | Koha gets the date and time zone from the server. | |
| 17:56 | * oleonard | grumbles that the error logs are so full of garbage these days it's hard to find what's relevant |
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| 18:34 | gaetan_B | bye |
| 18:40 | eythian | oleonard: perhaps some selenium tests that also count errors? |
| 18:40 | Warnings, rather | |
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| 18:48 | oleonard | eythian: ? |
| 18:49 | eythian | So that people who are things that increase warnings can be suitably punished. |
| 18:49 | Because yes, the warnings in the logs cover up real issues. | |
| 18:50 | At catalyst, I had a monitor that would collect them and when things were quiet, we'd fix the most frequent ones. But there's a long, long tail. | |
| 18:51 | oleonard | I think it's mostly Bug 15809, so not introduced by a change to our code |
| 18:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15809 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , versions of CGI < 4.08 do not have multi_param |
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| 18:51 | eythian | Here, it you do a rollout, you have to watch the monitors for 15 or so minutes. It there's an increase in warnings, you must roll back. |
| 18:51 | Ah yeah | |
| 18:52 | You can't control everything 🙂 | |
| 18:52 | oleonard | Especially not unicode thingys which show up as little squares :P |
| 18:55 | eythian | Get a better font, you can totally control that. |
| 18:55 | Works fine in Ubuntu, iirc. | |
| 18:55 | oleonard | But you can't ;) |
| 18:56 | eythian | I'm sure I could if I really wanted to 😉 |
| 18:59 | * oleonard | blames all future computer issues on eythian hacking him to install better fonts |
| 18:59 | eythian | It's worth it, I'm sure. |
| 19:08 | rangi | morning |
| 19:14 | oleonard | Hi rangi |
| 19:15 | rangi | hey oleonard |
| 19:15 | wahanui | somebody said oleonard was not really here. He said so. He did! |
| 19:16 | oleonard | eythian and rangi you missed a noncontroversial developers' meeting today. |
| 19:16 | rangi | maybe thats why it was noncontroversial? :) |
| 19:16 | oleonard | Yes, perhaps it wasn't controversial because you weren't there to tell us we made terrible choices? |
| 19:17 | rangi | hehe |
| 19:17 | i think the most controversial things at the moment are what frontend tools to use, and what to name the next release :) | |
| 19:18 | oleonard | Yeah I figured I'd agitate on the frontend tools issue at the next one if no progress had been made. I haven't heard the discussion about naming the next release. |
| 19:19 | * cait | waves |
| 19:19 | cait | baking muffins tonight :) |
| 19:19 | * chris_n | breaks out the chocolate milk |
| 19:19 | rangi | im leaning towards date based naming |
| 19:20 | 16.05 and then 16.05.01 etc .. for a few reasons, 1/ it avoids confusion with the stuff that was called koha 4.x 2/ its easier for people to realise they are running old stuff | |
| 19:21 | otherwise we kinda just stick with 3.x forever .. or maybe jump to 5.x ... or give them names .. i dunno | |
| 19:21 | maybe it's not that contorversial | |
| 19:21 | oleonard | 16.05 as in May 2016? |
| 19:21 | rangi | yup |
| 19:21 | cait | date based would be fine by me too |
| 19:21 | rangi | like ubuntu does |
| 19:22 | oleonard | As long as we don't switch to using names which I have to go look up because I can't remember which comes after which. |
| 19:22 | rangi | yup |
| 19:22 | * oleonard | glares at Debian |
| 19:22 | rangi | heh |
| 19:22 | bag | that’s my plan - to bring that up |
| 19:22 | rangi | they have numbers too, they are moving more towards that |
| 19:22 | bag | I want to switch to 16.05 |
| 19:22 | ;) | |
| 19:22 | eythian | I do like the idea of date based. |
| 19:22 | pianohacker | as long as we're alphabetical it's not so bad |
| 19:22 | rangi | ( oleonard jessie is 8 etc) |
| 19:22 | pianohacker | Koha 16.05 Aggravated Authoritarian |
| 19:23 | rangi | heh |
| 19:23 | bag | Jesse is pianohacker ;) |
| 19:23 | rangi | id be happy enough with just 16.05 i think |
| 19:23 | pianohacker | pianohacker version 23 |
| 19:23 | gonna be rolling out a new release in early april | |
| 19:24 | rangi | its a hell of a lot easier to explain than 3.24 |
| 19:24 | which is actually the 12th 3.x release | |
| 19:24 | :) | |
| 19:25 | eythian | wahanui: oleonard jessie is debian 8 |
| 19:25 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 19:25 | pianohacker | the odd-even versioning would be more useful if we released more alphas or something under the odd numbers |
| 19:26 | as it stands this won't make much of a difference | |
| 19:29 | hector | Hi oleonard |
| 19:29 | bug 15950 signed-off | |
| 19:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15950 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Use Font Awesome icons for acquisitions basket close confirmation |
| 19:30 | oleonard | Hi hector. I don't think we've met on IRC yet have we? |
| 19:30 | Thanks for all your signoffs! | |
| 19:30 | hector | Noup, not yet |
| 19:30 | Your welcome | |
| 19:30 | Hi, how are you? | |
| 19:31 | oleonard | I am well, thank you |
| 19:31 | @wunder 45701 | |
| 19:31 | huginn | oleonard: The current temperature in Heatherstone, Athens, Ohio is 19.1°C (2:30 PM EST on March 01, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:32 | hector | How do you get that?, i'm really newbie on this |
| 19:33 | eythian | @wunder ams |
| 19:33 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 6.9°C (8:19 PM CET on March 01, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:33 | oleonard | "@wunder" and then the name of the city or a zip code. Sometimes it take a few tries to get it right |
| 19:33 | eythian: An airport code? | |
| 19:33 | hector | @wunder El Salvador |
| 19:33 | huginn | hector: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 19:33 | pianohacker | hi hector ! |
| 19:33 | hector | Hi pianohacker |
| 19:33 | eythian | oleonard: yeah, they work too |
| 19:33 | @wunder nzwn | |
| 19:34 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (8:00 AM NZDT on March 02, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:34 | pianohacker | I'm Jesse Weaver, I think I've seen you on a few of my bugs too. Didn't you test bug 11559? |
| 19:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11559 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Master , Professional cataloger's interface |
| 19:34 | bag | @wunder pdx |
| 19:34 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in Mikeshouse Cully, Portland, Oregon is 12.2°C (11:33 AM PST on March 01, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 7 PM PST this evening... |
| 19:34 | oleonard | @wunder san salvador, el salvador |
| 19:34 | huginn | oleonard: The current temperature in APRSWXNET, San Salvador, El Salvador is 31.7°C (12:48 PM CST on March 01, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa. |
| 19:34 | eythian | APRS eh. That's interesting |
| 19:35 | Maybe when I get my local license I should build one of those. | |
| 19:37 | If I ask for Amsterdam weather, it tends to be further away than the airport: | |
| 19:37 | @wunder Amsterdam, nl | |
| 19:37 | hector | painohacker: yep I comment on that one, your interface is awesome |
| 19:37 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Aalsmeer - Oost, Amsterdam Airport Schiphol, Netherlands is 7.7°C (8:36 PM CET on March 01, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:38 | eythian | ...that is just past the airport. |
| 19:39 | oleonard | hector do you work for a library or a support company? |
| 19:39 | eythian | @wunder Amsterdam centraal |
| 19:39 | huginn | eythian: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 19:39 | hector | I'm librarian in Universidad de El Salvador |
| 19:42 | oleonard: That's why I sometimes do some weird questions | |
| 19:42 | pianohacker | rangi: been talking to bag about 3.22 performance; he mentioned something about reloading the schema. Is that referring to the initial startup cost, or what? |
| 19:43 | hector | please be please be patient with me |
| 19:43 | bag | of course hector |
| 19:43 | and welcome :) | |
| 19:43 | hector | thank you :) |
| 19:44 | rangi | pianohacker: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]g.cgi?id=15341#c5 and https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=15350 |
| 19:44 | huginn | 04Bug 15341: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Performance - Retrieve all sysprefs at once |
| 19:44 | 04Bug 15350: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, NEW , DBIx::Class Startup speed | |
| 19:44 | oleonard | wiki updated: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]4:_Use_the_format.28.29_method_to_join_variables_with_translatable_strings |
| 19:45 | rangi | the graph on 15350 is interesting |
| 19:46 | bag | yup |
| 19:46 | rangi | thats the startup cost of creating the schema object, I think under plack we do that way more than we should .. (we cant really avoid it under cgi) |
| 19:46 | pianohacker | hmm |
| 19:46 | rangi | i think it needs more investigation anyway |
| 19:47 | bag | yeah |
| 19:47 | rangi | certainly the more we use dbix::class the slower things get |
| 19:47 | what we need to know is are we doing it wrong .. or is this just a cost of db independence, in which case .. are we sure want to keep doing it | |
| 19:47 | etc | |
| 19:49 | bag | ok the really important question - should I get lunch now? and what should I eat? |
| 19:50 | I think I’ll have an iced espresso and then figure out that answer | |
| 19:51 | pianohacker | burrito |
| 19:51 | rangi: do you know offhand how to get the NYTProf plack debugging thing to work? | |
| 19:52 | rangi | havent tried in a while, i'd drop joubu or tcohen a mail |
| 19:52 | pianohacker | kk |
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| 19:59 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
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| 20:02 | * cait | waves at hector |
| 20:02 | hector | Hi cait |
| 20:05 | pianohacker | rangi: crazy idea I had that would require a bit of perl hacking; load stubs for all of the resultsets that only load the actual Result/*.pm's on demand? |
| 20:06 | bag | the wind and rain outside is pretty intense on the windows in this tower |
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| 20:13 | rangi | hmm that might work |
| 20:14 | pianohacker | I'm also trying to figure out why Koha::Database::_new_schema is called on every page load |
| 20:16 | bag | seems unnessicary |
| 20:16 | rangi | yes |
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| 20:19 | * magnuse | waves at all the cool people |
| 20:21 | pianohacker | GAH |
| 20:22 | C4::Auth::BEGIN -> C4::Context->preference -> C4::Context->dbh -> Koha::Database->schema({ new => 1 }) :( | |
| 20:22 | is that new => 1 really necessary? | |
| 20:23 | hm, I may be being confused by dead code | |
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| 20:35 | nuentoter | testing out things and when I goto check out an item, i find the patron, enter the item barcode and click checkout, it tells me barcode does not exist. I look up the item and the barcode box is empty but when I click edit the barcode is there..... help? |
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| 20:39 | cait | nuentoter: interesting |
| 20:39 | wahanui | interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 20:40 | cait | could you check your koha-to-marc-mappings? |
| 20:41 | kidclamp | nuentoter - just to check, is the barcode in the barcode field? I have often hit my head againast a barcode in the callnumber field |
| 20:41 | cait | also that yes :) |
| 20:41 | nuentoter | let me check right now, |
| 20:47 | hmmmm In my koha to marc mapping it has barcode as 852 p when i believe it should be 952 p right? if this is the case why is it even displaying one at all? my imported records have nothing in the 852 line, i swapped it all over to 952 | |
| 20:49 | cait | some displays look up the mapping |
| 20:49 | others might look in items.barcode | |
| 20:49 | s items.barcode mapped for the koha link? | |
| 20:49 | it should be 952 - so your search works | |
| 20:50 | nuentoter | im sorry what do you mean? |
| 20:51 | cait | hm things i'd do |
| 20:51 | - remap to 952p | |
| 20:51 | also check the items table in your database to see where your barcode ended up | |
| 20:53 | the database field is configured in the bibliographic marc framework - koha link - it maps items columsn to 952 subfields | |
| 20:53 | nuentoter | yeah just remapped it properly, when i set up the framework I had very little idea of the convoluted mess winnebago was going to give me with all the records, and I was also unnaware of many things |
| 20:53 | pianohacker | rangi/bag: proposed slight improvement on bug 15350 |
| 20:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15350 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, NEW , DBIx::Class Startup speed |
| 20:55 | rangi | cool |
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| 20:59 | bag | looking pianohacker |
| 20:59 | nuentoter | everything looks ok in database and the rest of the matching stuff to me. |
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| 21:00 | cait | so the barcode column is filled? hm |
| 21:01 | nuentoter | I missed an entire framework when importing stuff, didnt map anything for the dvds/vhs's |
| 21:01 | seems ok now, just to find another error ..... not having a good day lol | |
| 21:01 | no cranchcode arguement | |
| 21:01 | no branchcode arguement | |
| 21:02 | cait | did you set a and b to the branchcode? |
| 21:03 | tcohen | hi |
| 21:03 | wahanui | hola, tcohen |
| 21:03 | tcohen | hi cait |
| 21:03 | @seen mtompset | |
| 21:03 | huginn | tcohen: mtompset was last seen in #koha 6 days, 0 hours, 18 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <mtompset> Have a good day, #koha. |
| 21:11 | nuentoter | ok so i've never messed with branch code except during initial setup and I set it under admin to our one branch. but I have not done anything concerning branchcodes to the items ... where can i edit that? |
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| 21:20 | cait | maybe batchediting |
| 21:20 | ? | |
| 21:21 | homebranch and holdingbranch | |
| 21:21 | wahanui | homebranch and holdingbranch are two different fields. |
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| 21:33 | gmcharlt | howdy folks, please meet my newest colleague, barbara, who will be working with us as a project manager |
| 21:34 | tcohen | hi barbara! |
| 21:35 | cait | hi barbara :) |
| 21:35 | barbara | Howdy! |
| 21:36 | nuentoter | hello barbara |
| 21:44 | bag | hey barbara |
| 21:54 | pianohacker | hi barbara |
| 21:58 | hector | Bye #koha |
| 22:01 | pianohacker | tcohen: have you had a chance to retest bug 13805? It'd be really nice to revert that patch if we safely can |
| 22:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13805 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Installer does not work under Plack |
| 22:04 | tcohen | i can retest it |
| 22:14 | cait | hector++ ... for gazillions of sign-offs |
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| 22:18 | tcohen | pianohacker: you noticed that file only applies to source installs, right? |
| 22:19 | i.e. is not what people use | |
| 22:22 | pianohacker | tcohen: the syspref cache is also disabled in debian/templates/plack.psgi |
| 22:23 | tcohen: and based on the timeline, the above was created from misc/plack/koha.psgi after bug 13805 was committed | |
| 22:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13805 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Installer does not work under Plack |
| 22:23 | pianohacker | so if we can remove it from both places it could be a big win |
| 22:23 | tcohen | yes, AND when writing the file, I ommited the line that resets the sysprefs cache on each request |
| 22:24 | that's still a difference between them | |
| 22:24 | pianohacker | does that make a difference if the sysprefs cache is disabled to begin with? |
| 22:32 | tcohen | of course not, but we need to add it |
| 22:34 | pianohacker | tcohen: oh, okay. I think I get what you're saying. According to Joubu in https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]g.cgi?id=13805#c4 , though, that doesn't work? |
| 22:34 | huginn | 04Bug 13805: normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Installer does not work under Plack |
| 22:34 | pianohacker | (Thank you for your patience, we're beating our heads against a many-headed performance beast :( ) |
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| 22:37 | tcohen | pianohacker: np |
| 22:38 | cait | bug report against 3.8...? |
| 22:38 | bug 15948 | |
| 22:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15948 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Checked in books being checked back into last patron |
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| 22:40 | cait | hi lucio |
| 22:41 | hm scaredhim away? | |
| 22:43 | tcohen | bye #koha |
| 22:44 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 22:46 | eythian | geez cait |
| 22:46 | so unwelcoming | |
| 22:47 | cait | hmpf |
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| 22:59 | tcohen | cait: do u have a beer? |
| 23:00 | jaegermeister? | |
| 23:00 | cait | virtual jaegermeister? |
| 23:00 | sounds doable | |
| 23:00 | tcohen | well, i'm not sure how you'll do it |
| 23:00 | but please, enjoy and happy birthday! | |
| 23:00 | confetti! | |
| 23:00 | wahanui | somebody said confetti was http://25.media.tumblr.com/tum[…]1qh8hleo1_400.gif |
| 23:00 | cait | :D |
| 23:00 | tcohen | confetti! |
| 23:00 | wahanui | o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
| 23:01 | cait | thx tcohen :) |
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| 23:05 | irma | g'day cait :-) We are sending your arms full of sunshine from Downunder, just for you ;-) |
| 23:06 | cait | thx Irma! :) |
| 23:06 | eythian | that's just going to stop everyone sleeping, irma :) |
| 23:06 | cait | i will save it for tomorow |
| 23:06 | irma | go to sleep eythian! |
| 23:06 | cait | ... well for *day time* |
| 23:06 | irma | ;-) |
| 23:07 | eythian | heh |
| 23:07 | * Francesca | is tired |
| 23:07 | eythian | when this ST:TNG episode is finished I will |
| 23:07 | Francesca | uni is very chaotic |
| 23:07 | ohhh star trek | |
| 23:07 | I love star trek | |
| 23:09 | eythian | I've been watching all of TNG lately. Up to season 6. |
| 23:10 | ibeardslee | TNG .. isn't that like destroying Doctor Who by making new 'Season 1, 2' etc? |
| 23:16 | Francesca | nope |
| 23:16 | TNG is actually really good | |
| 23:19 | eythian | /kick ibeardslee heathen |
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| 23:29 | aleisha | Francesca, if you have nothing to do I have something you might like |
| 23:29 | Francesca | ohh what is it? I'm at uni today but I'll be in friday and possibly tomorrow as well |
| 23:30 | aleisha | all good it's not urgent |
| 23:30 | bug 15825 | |
| 23:31 | Francesca | hmmm huggin not responding |
| 23:31 | @wunder wlg | |
| 23:32 | aleisha | i thought it would be really straight forward but i think theres some css stuff happening and its probably better for you than for me :) |
| 23:32 | what happened to the bots | |
| 23:32 | Francesca | I dunno |
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| 23:32 | aleisha | anyway, https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=15825 if you're interested :) |
| 23:33 | Francesca | seems pretty straight forward - I'll take a better look at it next time I'm at catalyst |
| 23:33 | aleisha | sounds good |
| 23:33 | Francesca | how are you finding your first week at vic? |
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| 23:34 | pianohacker | hi galen |
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| 23:35 | pianohacker | thanks galen |
| 23:35 | @later tell Joubu could I ask you to clarify your "doesn't work" on bug 13757? | |
| 23:35 | huginn | pianohacker: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:36 | aleisha | good! a lot to take in |
| 23:37 | pianohacker | @later tell Joubu also, you said that clearing the sysprefs cache before each request doesn't work on https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=13805 Do you know if that's still the case? tcohen suggested that as a much preferable alternative to bug 13805 |
| 23:37 | huginn | pianohacker: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:37 | 04Bug 13805: normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Installer does not work under Plack | |
| 23:37 | Francesca | i can imagine |
| 23:37 | hey the bots are back | |
| 23:37 | @wunder wlf | |
| 23:37 | huginn | Francesca: Error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found |
| 23:37 | pianohacker | @wunder 80401 |
| 23:37 | Francesca | @wunder wlg |
| 23:37 | huginn | pianohacker: The current temperature in 16 1/2 St & Washington Ave, Golden, Colorado is 11.3°C (4:37 PM MST on March 01, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 23:37 | Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (12:30 PM NZDT on March 02, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). | |
| 23:37 | * pianohacker | wants summer |
| 23:38 | aleisha | pianohacker: i just got your messages from like 2 weeks ago about bug 15531 |
| 23:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15531 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Add support for standing orders |
| 23:38 | Francesca | hey pianohacker: if you want summer you could always come and visit (koha exchange programme anyone?) |
| 23:39 | pianohacker | aleisha: cool :) from the sounds of it, you've just started college? if so, I totally understand that you're not focused on Koha bugs |
| 23:39 | aleisha | just started uni |
| 23:39 | but ive been here almost every day working on bugs, the messages only just delivered for some reason | |
| 23:40 | Francesca | aleisha: enjoy the first week while you can |
| 23:40 | once tutorials and assingments start rolling | |
| 23:40 | eythian | after the first week it's all sleeping in and drunken parties |
| 23:40 | Francesca | free time dwindles into not a lot |
| 23:41 | pianohacker | @yank 17 |
| 23:41 | huginn | pianohacker: 62.6 |
| 23:41 | Francesca | @yank? |
| 23:41 | huginn | Francesca: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 23:41 | aleisha | eythian sounds good |
| 23:41 | pianohacker | Francesca: a converter to american freedom units |
| 23:41 | Francesca | ah |
| 23:41 | cool | |
| 23:41 | pianohacker | (because I cannot internalize celsius for some reason) |
| 23:42 | Francesca | hahaha |
| 23:42 | come visit us and you shall have summer | |
| 23:43 | pianohacker | we just need to get another KohaCon there :) |
| 23:43 | Francesca | that'd be cool |
| 23:49 | aleisha | pianohacker, i got a problem with updating the db with bug 15531 |
| 23:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15531 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Add support for standing orders |
| 23:50 | pianohacker | aleisha: what'd it say? |
| 23:50 | aleisha | ERROR 1060 (42S21) at line 1: Duplicate column name 'is_standing' |
| 23:50 | rangi | hmm looks like its already been run? |
| 23:51 | aleisha | oh okay |
| 23:52 | pianohacker | aleisha: yup. khall claims to have magical SQL that can prevent that, but for most atomicupdates like this, rerunning will output a spurious error |
| 23:53 | aleisha | most of the tests pass now, except for standingorders.t and close_reopen_basket.t |
| 23:53 | oh wait no ignore me | |
| 23:53 | only standingorders.t is failing | |
| 23:54 | pianohacker | aleisha: could you pastebin the output of prove -v .../standingorders.t? |
| 23:55 | aleisha | http://paste.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz[…]QU+xhdCpubHdKeg== |
| 23:55 | pianohacker | aleisha: can't access that site, unfortunately |
| 23:56 | aleisha | http://pastebin.com/MDhRpv7N |
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| 23:57 | pianohacker | ah, bugnuts. thanks aleisha, I'll take a look |
| 23:57 | aleisha | sweet :) |
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