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| 04:08 | dcook | This has to be my favourite new Zebra-related error: CCL parsing error (10014) Embedded truncation not supported ZOOM |
| 04:09 | Courtesy of YAZ 4.2.27... | |
| 04:11 | I'm using the st-urx qualifier | |
| 04:11 | Why would I be trying to embed truncation in a url? | |
| 04:12 | Truncation is off by default anyway.. | |
| 04:12 | * dcook | grumbles |
| 04:12 | dcook | Even when you tell it "do-not-truncate", you still get this error.. |
| 04:12 | Oooh... maybe it's because we're forming our queries badly | |
| 04:12 | * dcook | would not be surprised by that either |
| 04:16 | dcook | Yep, it's Koha's fault |
| 04:16 | * dcook | sighs |
| 04:35 | dcook | Easy enough to fix |
| 04:36 | TFW you're wondering why your import is failing and then you realize that your "nomatch_action" is set to "ignore" | |
| 04:36 | * dcook | facepalm |
| 04:36 | wahanui | http://media1.giphy.com/media/[…]5ibpuFO/giphy.gif |
| 04:57 | dcook | Truncation seems all kinds of screwed up actually.. |
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| 06:28 | drojf | morning #koha |
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| 06:32 | FiredBall-0x71 | WELCOME TO #HACKED.BASE , HTTP://PEARLTREES.COM/PVPELITER OUR OFFICIAL WEBSITE ... . , THE MOST HIGH CHANNEL FOR HIS PRINCE ... . , /ame JENDRAL SKRAITO YOHANES PATRA, HOW ARE YA ALL , I RELEASE ONE CLASSIFIED GAME FOR YOU ALL , HTTP://Us.runesofmagic.gameforge.com ... . , join #hacked.base ... . |
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| 07:00 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:01 | drojf | hei magnuse |
| 07:01 | FiredBall-0x71 | hey all |
| 07:01 | magnuse | moin drojf |
| 07:04 | * FiredBall-0x71 | WELCOME TO #HACKED.BASE , HTTP://PEARLTREES.COM/PVPELITER OUR OFFICIAL WEBSITE ... . , THE MOST HIGH CHANNEL FOR HIS PRINCE ... . , /ame JENDRAL SKRAITO YOHANES PATRA, HOW ARE YA ALL , I RELEASE ONE CLASSIFIED GAME FOR YOU ALL , HTTP://Us.runesofmagic.gameforge.com ... . , join #hacked.base ... . |
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| 07:10 | Francesca | heya |
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| 07:12 | FiredBall-0x71 | heya |
| 07:12 | :) | |
| 07:14 | Francesca | yay for airport wifi |
| 07:14 | I can hang out on here while I wait | |
| 07:14 | FiredBall-0x71 | oh |
| 07:14 | ure flying to where ? | |
| 07:15 | * FiredBall-0x71 | WELCOME TO #HACKED.BASE , HTTP://PEARLTREES.COM/PVPELITER OUR OFFICIAL WEBSITE ... . , THE MOST HIGH CHANNEL FOR HIS PRINCE ... . , /ame JENDRAL SKRAITO YOHANES PATRA, HOW ARE YA ALL , I RELEASE ONE CLASSIFIED GAME FOR YOU ALL , HTTP://Us.runesofmagic.gameforge.com ... . , join #hacked.base ... . |
| 07:16 | drojf | FiredBall-0x71: go away, nobody likes you |
| 07:16 | * FiredBall-0x71 | only for 0x71 my prince and my SON ONLY |
| 07:17 | FiredBall-0x71 | :p too bad for you |
| 07:18 | not even me like you too | |
| 07:18 | like you will enter my day | |
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| 07:26 | * FiredBall-0x71 | WELCOME TO #HACKED.BASE , HTTP://PEARLTREES.COM/PVPELITER OUR OFFICIAL WEBSITE ... . , THE MOST HIGH CHANNEL FOR HIS PRINCE ... . , /ame JENDRAL SKRAITO YOHANES PATRA, HOW ARE YA ALL , I RELEASE ONE CLASSIFIED GAME FOR YOU ALL , HTTP://Us.runesofmagic.gameforge.com ... . , join #hacked.base ... . |
| 07:26 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:26 | wahanui | salut, reiveune |
| 07:26 | * FiredBall-0x71 | ONLY FOR MY PRINCE AND SON THAT WILL REIGN IN MY THRONE ONLY |
| 07:27 | ONLY FOR MY PRINCE AND SON THAT WILL REIGN IN MY THRONE ONLY IRC OFTC | |
| 07:27 | FiredBall-0x71 | HELLOW |
| 07:27 | :) | |
| 07:28 | what's up reivuenue and wahanui | |
| 07:48 | * FiredBall-0x71 | WELCOME TO #HACKED.BASE , HTTP://PEARLTREES.COM/PVPELITER OUR OFFICIAL WEBSITE ... . , THE MOST HIGH CHANNEL FOR HIS PRINCE ... . , /ame JENDRAL SKRAITO YOHANES PATRA, HOW ARE YA ALL , I RELEASE ONE CLASSIFIED GAME FOR YOU ALL , HTTP://Us.runesofmagic.gameforge.com ... . , join #hacked.base ... . |
| 07:49 | ONLY FOR MY PRINCE AND SON THAT WILL REIGN IN MY THRONE ONLY | |
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| 07:50 | * FiredBall-0x71 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZLILV18ut8 |
| 07:51 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 07:52 | FiredBall-0x71 | bonjour |
| 07:55 | * FiredBall-0x71 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy8HPSIFXEM |
| 07:58 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09FDdfC5R48 | |
| 08:01 | done tracing complete got this all terrorist that undercover | |
| 08:02 | you can talk now | |
| 08:02 | magnuse | bag, rangi or wizzyrea around? |
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| 08:10 | * FiredBall-0x71 | WELCOME TO #HACKED.BASE , HTTP://PEARLTREES.COM/PVPELITER OUR OFFICIAL WEBSITE ... . , THE MOST HIGH CHANNEL FOR HIS PRINCE ... . , /ame JENDRAL SKRAITO YOHANES PATRA, HOW ARE YA ALL , I RELEASE ONE CLASSIFIED GAME FOR YOU ALL , HTTP://Us.runesofmagic.gameforge.com ... . , join #hacked.base ... . |
| 08:11 | ONLY FOR MY PRINCE AND SON THAT WILL REIGN IN MY THRONE ONLY | |
| 08:11 | come PRINCE AND SON TO #HACKED.BASE , I WANT TO TALK SOMETHING | |
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| 08:18 | cait | morning #koha |
| 08:19 | magnuse | kia ora cait |
| 08:19 | * FiredBall-0x71 | 0x71 (xc) Our INTEL CONFERENCE LIVE NOW , I OPEN THE IP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18ukj8yPvJs |
| 08:19 | cait | morning |
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| 08:25 | drojf | hi cait |
| 08:25 | cait | hi drojf |
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| 08:27 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 08:57 | Joubu | hi |
| 09:09 | gaetan_B | http://schema.koha-community.o[…]es/borrowers.html says, surname, address and city cannot be null |
| 09:09 | is it new ? | |
| 09:09 | and why ? | |
| 09:09 | it's quite common to have users without addresses in the database | |
| 09:09 | just wondering if there is a reason for this that i am missing | |
| 09:10 | (i guess i can still put an empty sting in there of course) | |
| 09:10 | *string | |
| 09:10 | Joubu | gaetan_B: I don't think it's new |
| 09:11 | if you don't fill it from the form, an empty string will be put into these fields | |
| 09:11 | but yes, it would be better to remove this constraint | |
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| 09:23 | * andreashm | waves |
| 09:27 | magnuse | o/ |
| 09:46 | andreashm | yo magnuse |
| 09:51 | interesting to read the log today. =) | |
| 09:52 | magnuse | wassup! |
| 09:53 | gotcha | |
| 09:53 | only for my prince? | |
| 09:54 | andreashm | hehe |
| 09:59 | Joubu | paul_p: hi! Any chances that you remember what is the "PE" branch category? Do you know if it is still used? |
| 09:59 | paul_p | hi joubu |
| 09:59 | nope, I don't remember what it stand for, sorry | |
| 10:00 | Joubu | If a library is in a group of libraries named "PE", a "IsPermanent" flag is set on transfering the item and the item is not done |
| 10:01 | and the *transfer* is not done | |
| 10:01 | It looks like a very well hidden feature :) | |
| 10:03 | magnuse | an easter egg :-) |
| 10:11 | Joubu: dunno if this commit might shed some light: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]098758c4ee7db913d | |
| 10:11 | it removes some "HLT-style categories" from installer/data/mysql/en/optional/sample_libraries.sql | |
| 10:12 | including "('PE', 'Permanent Library', 'Permanent libraries can be used to set an item\'s home location (items.homebranch)');" | |
| 10:12 | Joubu | --- HLT-style categories |
| 10:12 | yes, should be confirmed on the ML | |
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| 12:44 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:45 | cait | morning tcohen |
| 12:45 | tcohen | cait! |
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| 12:55 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:55 | cait | hi oleonard |
| 12:55 | :) | |
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| 13:24 | tcohen | hi oleonard |
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| 13:27 | kidclamp | oleonard++ |
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| 14:17 | * magnuse | wanders off to make pizza - have fun #koha! |
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| 14:26 | oleonard | today? |
| 14:26 | wahanui | today is Sunday |
| 14:27 | oleonard | Uh huh. |
| 14:29 | drojf | and i went to work. damn |
| 14:30 | nengard | ha |
| 14:31 | gmcharlt | drojf: would you like op? |
| 14:34 | drojf | gmcharlt: it's been ages since i ran an irc channel, but having the option would not hurt for the rare cases like today |
| 14:35 | (not saying i would run anything here ;) | |
| 14:36 | gmcharlt | yeah, I'm just envisioning it as providing a way to have somebody in a position to kick spammers off |
| 14:37 | drojf | i have done that before |
| 14:37 | * oleonard | waits in fear for the power to corrupt drojf |
| 14:38 | prepares some fawning compliments for drojf just in case | |
| 14:38 | drojf | lol oleonard |
| 14:38 | oleonard | Anyone here actively using the offline circulation Firefox addon? |
| 14:38 | drojf | i had my fair share of kickbans for fun when i was younger ;) |
| 14:39 | oleonard | When I test it I don't end up with any pending offline operations in circulation. |
| 14:40 | gmcharlt | drojf: ok, you should now be able to request op from chanserv - give it a try? |
| 14:43 | drojf | let me find out what my password is :D |
| 14:45 | looks like that works | |
| 14:45 | Joubu | /kick Joubu |
| 14:45 | have a good week-end #koha ;) | |
| 14:45 | drojf | hehe |
| 14:45 | alright, thanks gmcharlt | |
| 14:46 | have a nice weekend Joubu | |
| 14:46 | gmcharlt | groovy |
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| 14:53 | vera | I will need help on how to get my Z39.50 protocol back to work to enable my library continue with Copy Cataloging. I configured the Z39.50 search point in the past and it had worked perfectly well until some few days ago when i started receiving "not found" error message for any material searched for (I do not know what went wrong). I have deleted all the libraries (Library of Congress,etc) added to the Z39.50 and re- added them all over again but still get |
| 14:53 | same error | |
| 14:54 | drojf | do you run the server yourself? |
| 14:54 | vera | yes i do |
| 14:55 | drojf | did you change things like firewall settings? |
| 14:55 | vera | no, i did not |
| 14:55 | drojf | can you connect to the servers in question with yaz-client? |
| 14:56 | vera | its a local server that connect to the internet to get bibliographic information from other libraries |
| 14:59 | drojf | yes. my question is if you can connect to the z39.50-servers you want to use in koha with yaz-client running on your server |
| 14:59 | it's a command line z39.50 client. you will find information on how to use it here http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/yaz-client.html | |
| 14:59 | vera | i should think so |
| 15:00 | drojf | try it. if that works, you may have a problem in koha. if it doesn't, it seems like either a network problem on your side or wrong server data |
| 15:01 | vera | ok! thanks! |
| 15:01 | i will try that | |
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| 15:03 | drojf | oh cait and magnuse are chanops too. that should have covered our timezone. however it did not today |
| 15:04 | i think at least magnuse did not know ;) | |
| 15:17 | cait | gmcharlt: how do i get my ops rights? |
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| 15:17 | cait | i tried this morning... but only vaguely rememberd something and identifying with the nickserv didn't help :) |
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| 15:23 | gmcharlt | cait: /msg ChanServ op |
| 15:24 | Er, /msg ChanServ #koha op | |
| 15:30 | cait | hm |
| 15:31 | hm doesn't seem to work | |
| 15:31 | uknown command | |
| 15:31 | tried some variations | |
| 15:32 | (16:32:01) ChanServ: (notice) Unknown command #koha, /msg ChanServ HELP for help. | |
| 15:33 | aaah | |
| 15:33 | figured it out :) | |
| 15:34 | /msg ChanServ op #koha cait | |
| 15:35 | oleonard | We don't have a way to do batch checkins do we? |
| 15:36 | cait | oleonard: hm not yet i think, only the bactch checouts - didn't see a bug either |
| 15:37 | oleonard | Boo. |
| 15:43 | Oh, luckily the batch item modification tool checks things in when doing a batch update of checked-out items. That'll work ;) | |
| 15:43 | Handy. And scary! | |
| 15:52 | khall: Isn't Bug 15749 the same as OpacAddMastheadLibraryPulldown ? | |
| 15:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15749 new feature, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Add library menu to OPAC header |
| 15:53 | khall | oleonard: not really, it's sort of more like setting your logged in branch on the staff intranet |
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| 16:17 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:21 | cabillman | oleonard: it probably helps to think of 15749 in the context of being a librarian in a room full of 6 year olds :) |
| 16:22 | trying to get the kids to log in is problematic | |
| 16:22 | oleonard | cabillman: Unfortunately through that lens we are also assuming that an adult is looking over the user's shoulder and telling them what to click on. |
| 16:22 | Right now there is nothing about the menu which indicates what it does. | |
| 16:23 | * oleonard | is putting comments on the bug report |
| 16:23 | cabillman | oleonard: in our case we have had this patch for years so our patrons are trained |
| 16:23 | at the time i don't think you could set the branches based on virtual hosts | |
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| 16:56 | oleonard | I wonder why git branch autocompletion doesn't work on when I'm logged in on my web host |
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| 17:10 | gaetan_B | bye |
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| 17:32 | oleonard | Where's SirsiDynix's repo for their fork? |
| 17:32 | cait | i wonder if paul_p knows more |
| 17:32 | biblibre works on coral afaik | |
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| 17:34 | * oleonard | wishes the Coral web site made their software licensing terms more clear. |
| 17:36 | drojf | i thought its gpl. is it not? |
| 17:38 | cait | http://coral-erm.org/about/ |
| 17:38 | GPL v. 3 | |
| 17:40 | drojf | only idiots don't switch tpo AGPL. just saying |
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| 17:46 | drojf | apologies for the wording. let me rephrase |
| 17:46 | i think it would be a good idea to switch to AGPL | |
| 17:47 | for us and for coral | |
| 17:49 | of course they could also be using a different license if granted by the steering committe. if that is possible, i don't know details of the project structure | |
| 17:56 | pianohacker | drojf: I think this was discussed a while back and voted against, let me check the mailing list |
| 17:57 | drojf | pianohacker: don't even try, or your brain will melt. i went through a gazillion meeting logs and mailing list threads and i do not think it was actually ever voted on in the end |
| 17:57 | but it is a long story for sure | |
| 17:59 | but it was in a different time. so maybe it could be discussed without the shadow of the company that shall not be named | |
| 17:59 | i think i took it off the agenda of a meeting because there were other important things, but i'd still ike to discuss it | |
| 17:59 | *like | |
| 18:01 | oleonard | I seem to recall concerns about what burden the AGPL might place on individuals or institutions using the software -- whether it was the responsibility of each to provide a copy of their code for download. |
| 18:01 | drojf | yes. slef brought that up, he was the main opponent of agpl within the koha community, as far as i could tell by the logs |
| 18:02 | with github available, i don't think that is a valid argument | |
| 18:06 | oleonard | And I suppose that would only affect those who were using a modified version of the software |
| 18:06 | drojf | it was also about how much bandwidth that would use. which i do not think is valid either in 2016,, not sure if it was back then. github would be an option here too |
| 18:07 | oh sure. why would you put up mirrors of the regular koha version you use? :) | |
| 18:08 | oleonard | I would have to if the AGPL demanded that I do so. I'm just trying to think it through and dredge up memory of that discussion. |
| 18:08 | drojf | it would probably be enough to share patches even, not the whole code. but i am no *gpl expert |
| 18:08 | i also don't know if it is enough to provide it on demand, but i don't think so | |
| 18:09 | oleonard | Yeah there's at least one "open source" library-related software that makes you ask for the code. |
| 18:09 | Can't remember which, but that's not cool. | |
| 18:10 | drojf | oleonard: do you have real code changes locally? things like usercss, userjs etc would not require anything |
| 18:10 | slef | yeah, AIUI you can't outsource your AGPL compliance to github unless the licensor grants you an exception to that effect |
| 18:10 | oleonard | slef: I don't understand what that means. |
| 18:10 | slef | and right now I don't remember if it matters whether you have "real" code changes |
| 18:10 | drojf | interesting |
| 18:10 | wahanui | interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 18:11 | slef | oleonard: in what way? |
| 18:11 | oleonard | can't outsource compliance to github? Meaning you can't post your code there and be in compliance? |
| 18:11 | slef | bingo |
| 18:11 | oleonard | It has to somehow come from your own server? |
| 18:11 | slef | not exactly |
| 18:12 | oleonard | Who the hell cares where it's hosted? |
| 18:12 | drojf | i doubt that is true. if an expection is needed, that could be given in general when the license is changed? |
| 18:12 | slef | They don't, but if github is unavailable for some reason, you're non-compliant if you don't go offline too. |
| 18:12 | drojf: it could be. | |
| 18:12 | drojf | slef: sorry but that last thing sounds like FUD |
| 18:13 | oleonard | By those terms Koha is in non-compliance with GPL if koha-community.org goes down |
| 18:13 | drojf | at least if you read it in a kind of "github has been down for half a day, shut down your library" way |
| 18:13 | slef | IIRC thd asked lawyers and their opinion was that it was even worse and we'd have to assure availability of not only Koha but the CPAN modules it uses... but that's all in the email list archives somewhere. |
| 18:14 | oleonard: I don't see how. Now that seems like FUD. | |
| 18:14 | oleonard | What's the difference? |
| 18:14 | wahanui | the difference is with the package the upgrade is more-or-less foolproof. |
| 18:15 | slef | oleonard: if koha deleted its own source code if koha-community.org went down and left only some obfuscated executable, then it would be non-compliant... but it doesn't do that and I can't see that "feature" being added |
| 18:16 | oleonard | By that logic making AGPL code available on github is just as reasonable an effort |
| 18:18 | pianohacker | @later tell dcook have you ever run into all of the elements in zebra::index being empty? (e.g., <index name="Any" type="w" seq="521"></index>) The records contain chinese if that affects anything |
| 18:18 | huginn | pianohacker: The operation succeeded. |
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| 18:19 | drojf | Q: Can the application software be running on one server and the source another? |
| 18:19 | A: Yes. | |
| 18:20 | oh that was a very old page | |
| 18:22 | onre | how would a server going down make you non-compliant with a GPL license? |
| 18:24 | slef | onre: it can't easily. oleonard seems to be trying to draw some equivalence between GPL and AGPL which isn't there IMO |
| 18:25 | https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pip[…]-June/024138.html is the first of thd's detailed answers | |
| 18:26 | actually that one doesn't really cover what I was talking about AFAICS | |
| 18:27 | * slef | keeps looking |
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| 18:30 | slef | https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pip[…]-July/024391.html "FSF has never accepted linking to an upstream version as satisfying the obligation to make the source code available" |
| 18:33 | drojf | isn't the upstream version plain koha? how would that be acceptable if you are supposed to share your changes? |
| 18:36 | oleonard | slef I'm not trying to draw equivalence, I'm trying to make analogies. |
| 18:53 | drojf | ok i will ask somebody about the sharing/github stuff |
| 18:53 | any other concerns you can remember? | |
| 18:53 | slef maybe | |
| 18:54 | * cait | waves |
| 18:55 | slef | let me look it up here... |
| 19:04 | cait | oleonard: lookin gat the logs - did you solve your offline circ issue? i wrote a doc about it for us last week, maybe i can help |
| 19:04 | oleonard | cait: It's working for our production site, but not in my test installation. |
| 19:04 | I haven't investigated any further. | |
| 19:05 | cait: You have customers who use it? | |
| 19:07 | Aside from the bugs I've reported today, my primary complaint about it is that it clears the patron barcode after each checkout | |
| 19:07 | That's an easy thing to change manually, but then the plugin is unsigned and causes installation headaches. | |
| 19:08 | Not sure if that behavior is useful to others? If so it might need a preference. | |
| 19:11 | cait | i wanted to advertise it a bit with the docs |
| 19:11 | it was not really needed much so far :) | |
| 19:11 | hm not sure either, i think it might be a safety thing... so you don#t forget to switch | |
| 19:12 | but it#s something i wondered about today too | |
| 19:12 | does your patron has staff permissions? | |
| 19:12 | did it swtich the status when you uploaded or did jus tnothing happen? | |
| 19:12 | i found that sometimes you need to enter your config, close the plugin and then open it up again for it to work | |
| 19:14 | hm have to finish washing the dishes - brb :) | |
| 19:14 | slef | drojf: that seems like the only unique issue and can be dealt with by exceptions permitting distribution of a diff and link to upstream sources and permitting non-monitoring of the upstream sources hosting; the second problem IMO is protocols like SIP where you can't communicate an offer of the Corrsponding Source but that could be handled with the same exception as libbitcoin use. |
| 19:16 | oleonard | cait: In my test system the KOCT says the status is "added," but the offline circ page in Koha says there are no pending operations. |
| 19:18 | drojf | slef: thanks for checking. i have written an email draft for the FSFE regarding 1) sharing on github 2) what if github goes down/acceptable time spans the sourc eis not available for technical reasons 3) are patches enough if the regular source is available 4) if 3, do patches have to be modified for newer versions not used by the party doing the changes, given that the version used is still available |
| 19:19 | i will read/finish that this weekend and i hope i get some feedback, links, examples | |
| 19:22 | cait | oh |
| 19:22 | which button did you use? | |
| 19:23 | drojf | slef: what do you mean with the SIP example? source of the protocol? |
| 19:24 | cait | one does the synching immediately - i have only used the other |
| 19:24 | currently in windows and the plugin is not instally.... but one ready apply... and i used the other it hink :) | |
| 19:25 | oleonard | cait: I used the "commit to Koha" button. |
| 19:25 | cait | hm |
| 19:25 | and they changed status... | |
| 19:26 | did you checckthe db table with sql? | |
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| 19:30 | slef | drojf: what can FSFE add to SFLC's advice? Are you shopping between lawyers to get advice you prefer? |
| 19:31 | drojf: the SIP example is that koha cannot easily offer the source code to clients who connect over SIP AFAIK | |
| 19:31 | drojf: and I suspect some other non-HTTP+HTML protocols would not work well for it either. | |
| 19:32 | cait | oleonard: i suspect something in the config - as you aid it works with production but not with test |
| 19:33 | i didn't have problems in my testing | |
| 19:33 | drojf | slef: ah i see, thanks for clarifying |
| 19:33 | oleonard | slef: Why shouldn't drojf get more than one opinion? |
| 19:33 | drojf | slef: i try to get advice and examples. and those may be different than a few years ago |
| 19:34 | slef | oleonard: no reason. It's probably OK as long as FSFE is aware that SFLC have also advised. |
| 19:34 | oleonard: well, it's a small waste of resources through duplication of effort but tiny on the scale of things. | |
| 19:35 | drojf: yeah. I think libbitcoin has happened since the last advice. | |
| 19:36 | drojf | i don't see that the last advice was very clear. stuff may be like this or might be like that. or maybe it is not or it might have established some things over time |
| 19:36 | oleonard | cait: Configuration issue indeed: I was logged in at the wrong library :) |
| 19:38 | cait | aha! |
| 19:38 | so the transactions were all there? | |
| 19:38 | oleonard | Yes |
| 19:39 | cait | glad - that's better than a bug :) |
| 19:39 | oleonard | It doesn't make sense to do a big overhaul of the KOCT if Mozilla is about to introduce a new standard for addons. |
| 19:40 | cait | yeah |
| 19:40 | i hope it won't be too hard to get something similar back | |
| 19:41 | when thy switch | |
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| 19:58 | oleonard | Bye all |
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| 20:32 | cca | Hi all! We have imported our records, and those records seem to show they are in Koha, but there are no items in the circulation. What are we missing? We can see the books, but we can't check them in or out. |
| 20:33 | cait | how did you import the items? |
| 20:33 | drojf | cca: koha expects item data in 952 |
| 20:33 | cait | did you create a 952 marc field? |
| 20:33 | cca | staged and uploaded a mrc file. |
| 20:34 | Not sure. Where would we have created it? The mrc file was from an old Follett system... | |
| 20:35 | drojf | you will have to find out how the old system managed items |
| 20:35 | either that is in marc or somewhere else | |
| 20:36 | cca | would the file tell me then? |
| 20:36 | drojf | if it is in marc you should find it in the file. mrc is not really readable though |
| 20:37 | you could ask on the mailing list if people have experience with that system. i have heard the name before but don't know it | |
| 20:37 | cca | is there a way to en masse tell koha the books are in stock? |
| 20:37 | drojf | not if you want to keep the old data, like barcodes, call numbers and stuff. you should get that out of the old system |
| 20:41 | actually i don't know if you could use the batch record tool to create items if the data is in koha somewhere. but i would suspect that if the item data was in marc, it was in a custom local field and got lost during the import | |
| 20:42 | cca | Ok, we had a really old system that wasn't compatible past mac os 10.4 so we exported a file from it and are trying to upload to our new system. And we no longer have that follette software... Would a modern marc editor be helpful? |
| 20:42 | drojf | i think so, yes |
| 20:45 | cca: http://legacyhelp.fsc.follett.[…]s_information.htm | |
| 20:45 | that looks like it is in 852 | |
| 20:45 | cabillman | we migrated off of follett years ago and I remember having similar problems |
| 20:45 | drojf | you can see what koha expects here https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]21_Holding_field_.28952.29.2C_3.x_default |
| 20:45 | cca | Ok. I'm going to try MarcEdit, and see what happens! Thanks for all your help! |
| 20:46 | cabillman | we ended up out sourcing the marc record conversion because none of us had any experience with marc records |
| 20:47 | drojf | it's a lot to learn of you only do it once |
| 20:48 | cca | That sounds like a valid solution... I have never looked at a mrc file in my life. |
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| 23:25 | indradg | hi #koha |
| 23:26 | * indradg | wondering what to file a bug against for something in qa-test-tools |
| 23:36 | bag | heya indradg |
| 23:36 | wahanui | it has been said that indradg is the one who told me. |
| 23:36 | bag | I think mtompset had the same question indradg |
| 23:55 | indradg | bag: heh! bug 15753 filed under command-line utils. although it should prolly not go there |
| 23:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15753 trivial, P5 - low, ---, indradg, Needs Signoff , String update in the README for qa-test-tools |
| 23:55 | bag | there you go! |
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