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| 03:34 | reza | Hello |
| 03:36 | I'm trying to move the Koha mysql database from the local machine to another server which has SSD hard drive. Besides koha-conf.xml how many other file shall I modify and change the database settings? | |
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| 04:01 | reza | I'm trying to move the Koha mysql database from the local machine to another server which has SSD hard drive. Besides koha-conf.xml how many other file shall I modify and change the database settings? |
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| 04:01 | dcook | Hey, rangi, are you still around? |
| 04:01 | Have a quick question about bug 3144 | |
| 04:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3144 normal, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Pushed to Stable , anti-spam for opac-suggestions |
| 04:02 | dcook | @later tell barton Bizarre! |
| 04:02 | huginn | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
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| 04:56 | reza | I'm trying to move the Koha mysql database from the local machine to another server which has SSD hard drive. Besides koha-conf.xml how many other file shall I modify and change the database settings? |
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| 05:56 | irma | hi mtj how are you going ... still going ... given up ... ?? |
| 05:56 | we are going to close the day soon and will be back tomorrow morning early | |
| 05:56 | friends are coming over for dinner so better get some food sorted | |
| 05:57 | goodnight all in #koha too ;-) | |
| 05:58 | dcook | night irma :) |
| 06:11 | Francesca | argh sooooo hot |
| 06:11 | @wunder wlg | |
| 06:11 | huginn | Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 23.0°C (7:00 PM NZDT on February 03, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
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| 07:45 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:48 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:48 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 07:48 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 03, 2016). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.03 in 983 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:49 | magnuse | 15 cm of fresh snow on the ground this morning! |
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| 08:14 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 08:15 | Francesca | hi |
| 08:15 | wahanui | kia ora, Francesca |
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| 09:03 | Joubu | hi #koha |
| 09:11 | bag | hi there |
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| 09:27 | Joubu | magnuse: could you confirm my comment on bug 15697 comment 4 about NORMARC please? |
| 09:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15697 trivial, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Unnecessary comma between title and subtitle on opac-detail.pl |
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| 09:37 | magnuse | bag: HI |
| 09:37 | wahanui | kia ora, magnuse |
| 09:37 | bag | hey magnuse |
| 09:37 | wahanui | magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. |
| 09:42 | magnuse | Joubu: the qa followup looks good. and yes, marc21 and normarc are very similar in most regards |
| 09:44 | Joubu | magnuse: thanks! |
| 09:53 | jajm | hello |
| 09:56 | cait | hi all |
| 09:58 | thd | Hello cait |
| 09:59 | cait | meeting in one minute! |
| 09:59 | * thd | is very happy that his right hand is working again after straining it closing luggage hastily after the ALA conference. |
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| 10:00 | thd | s/working/working without pain/ |
| 10:00 | cait | #startmeeting General IRC meeting 3 February 2016 |
| 10:00 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Feb 3 10:00:47 2016 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 10:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 10:00 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 3 February 2016) | |
| 10:00 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_3_february_2016' |
| 10:00 | cait | Welcome all! |
| 10:00 | #topic Introductions | |
| 10:00 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 10:00 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 3 February 2016) | |
| 10:01 | cait | Please follow wahanui's example and introduce yourself with #info |
| 10:01 | bag | #info Brendan Gallagher - ByWater |
| 10:01 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 10:01 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 10:01 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_3_February_2016 | |
| 10:02 | ikourmou | #info Giannis Kourmoulis - Aristotle University, Thessaloniki |
| 10:02 | cait | jajm, thd, Joubu? |
| 10:03 | oh sorry, thd - overread your entry | |
| 10:03 | jajm | #info Julian Maurice, BibLibre, France |
| 10:03 | thanks cait :) | |
| 10:03 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
| 10:03 | cait | quiet morning |
| 10:03 | let's move on | |
| 10:03 | #topic Update on Releases | |
| 10:03 | Topic for #koha is now Update on Releases (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 3 February 2016) | |
| 10:03 | cait | as bag is awake... I will hand over to him |
| 10:04 | bag | cool |
| 10:04 | I’ll be quick | |
| 10:04 | not much to report - I’m pushing | |
| 10:04 | good dev meeting yesterady | |
| 10:05 | next dev meeting in 2 weeks | |
| 10:05 | that’s it - unless people have questions? | |
| 10:05 | cait | I will make changes to the coding guidelines as agreed on yesterday - please keep an eye on that page (hopefully before the end of the week) |
| 10:05 | not a question, just a note :) | |
| 10:05 | bag | :) |
| 10:05 | Joubu | just a quick hint: there is a critical PQA, bug 15687 |
| 10:05 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15687 critical, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , Syntax errors in misc/translator/xgettext.pl |
| 10:06 | Joubu | the translate script is broken on master |
| 10:06 | bag | thanks! |
| 10:06 | cait | If you are running master, there is a new dependency for the XSS fixes that needs to be installed from CPAN currently, but will hopefully be packaged soon as well - the web installer will prompt for it |
| 10:06 | jajm | and in stable versions too I think (at least 3.22.2) |
| 10:06 | bag | I looked at that the other day but didn’t finish |
| 10:06 | drojf | #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany |
| 10:07 | cait | jajm: hm our 3.22.2 seems ok - how does it show? |
| 10:07 | jajm | cait, you can't run ./translate update xx-XX |
| 10:07 | gmcharlt | #info Galen Charlton, Equinox |
| 10:07 | cait | hm i did |
| 10:07 | on git | |
| 10:08 | jajm | cait, hmm ok, so I'm probably wrong, which is a good thing :) |
| 10:08 | cait | i can retest after the meeting - we update the po files on our branch for some changes in xslt |
| 10:08 | ok, moving on? | |
| 10:09 | Joubu | (confirmed, ok on 3.22.2) |
| 10:09 | cait | jajm: any update on 3.22.2? |
| 10:09 | if not that's ok, writing the topic change line :) | |
| 10:10 | #topic INSTALL.debian is outdated | |
| 10:10 | Topic for #koha is now INSTALL.debian is outdated (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 3 February 2016) | |
| 10:10 | cait | #link http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]ed-td5861347.html |
| 10:10 | jajm | cait, nothing to report |
| 10:11 | cait | If I see it correctly, this is about the instructions we ship with Koha |
| 10:11 | the current file was last changed in 2012 | |
| 10:11 | the proposal is to | |
| 10:12 | 1) delete it | |
| 10:12 | 2) replace it with content from the wiki page | |
| 10:12 | 3) Include a link to the instructions on the wiki page | |
| 10:12 | ashimema | 3++ |
| 10:13 | cait | which wiki page would we link to? |
| 10:13 | Joubu | 2++ :) |
| 10:13 | and sync it on releasing (RM job) | |
| 10:13 | cait | bag? :) |
| 10:14 | bag | 3++ |
| 10:14 | but I’d be fine with 2 :) | |
| 10:14 | cait | 0++ - don't have a clear preference, all are fine for me |
| 10:15 | it's a draw | |
| 10:15 | jajm | 1-- (no preference between 2 and 3) |
| 10:15 | cait | ah, no, 2 then - anyone else here to vote? :) |
| 10:15 | drojf | i don't have a preference either |
| 10:15 | cait | ok, so not 1 |
| 10:15 | drojf | a link is probably best in my opinion |
| 10:15 | cait | we will make this easier, who is going to make the change? |
| 10:15 | drojf | or, well. no i say 2 |
| 10:15 | sorry .D | |
| 10:15 | otherwise offline install is impossible | |
| 10:16 | Joubu | that's the point, of course |
| 10:16 | cait | ok, so 2. |
| 10:16 | Joubu | and it seems easy to keep it up-to-date once every 6 months |
| 10:16 | cait | #agreed Update the INSTALL.debian file with content from the wiki |
| 10:16 | drojf | can we scrape the wiki page? that should not be too hard |
| 10:16 | cait | who is going to do it? |
| 10:17 | it would be good to add it to some kind of pre-release list | |
| 10:17 | update about page... update installation instructions... etc. | |
| 10:17 | bag | I can update that file in koha |
| 10:17 | cait | #action bag to update the file in Koha |
| 10:17 | thx bag | |
| 10:17 | hm i shoudl have specified which filee :) | |
| 10:18 | * bag | adds it to release notes checklist |
| 10:18 | cait | #action bag to update the INSTALL.debian file in Koha from the wiki (scratch the other action item) |
| 10:18 | moving on | |
| 10:18 | #topic Hackfest in Berlin | |
| 10:18 | Topic for #koha is now Hackfest in Berlin (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 3 February 2016) | |
| 10:18 | cait | drojf? |
| 10:18 | wahanui | drojf is from Germany and developing Koha on a raspberry pi! |
| 10:18 | drojf | i just wanted to use the opportunity to say: there is a koha hackfest in berlin the week before kohacon, i'd propose 25--27 may as the the core time but i have the room from 23 to 27 may if that is not enough. i will be leaving to thessaloniki saturday afternoon. |
| 10:18 | i suppose people are planning/booking their kohacon travels now so it's probably a good time to mention it. if you plan on coming, it would be good to know about it. some people have expressed interest but don't want to decide until others say they are coming. which is a bit problematic ;) | |
| 10:19 | there is a wiki page with some info here https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]hacon_Warmup_2016 so think about it :) | |
| 10:19 | that's about it i think | |
| 10:19 | cait | thx drojf :) |
| 10:20 | bag | cool it’s tempting |
| 10:20 | drojf | HA! |
| 10:20 | :) | |
| 10:20 | bag | :) |
| 10:20 | cait | lots to see in Berlin - and good food |
| 10:20 | * cait | can recommend :) |
| 10:20 | cait | moving on to the next event |
| 10:21 | #topic KohaCon16 | |
| 10:21 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon16 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 3 February 2016) | |
| 10:21 | ikourmou | hello everyone |
| 10:22 | i think i should give some info | |
| 10:22 | we have the kohacon16 site up and running... | |
| 10:22 | http://kohacon2016.lib.auth.gr/ | |
| 10:22 | with a lot of information already | |
| 10:23 | (should i copy this information to a wiki page also?) | |
| 10:23 | drojf | ikourmou: the page is fine |
| 10:23 | cait | ikourmou++ kohacon16-team++ very nice website |
| 10:23 | drojf | no need to dupicate |
| 10:23 | cait | #link http://kohacon2016.lib.auth.gr/ |
| 10:23 | if you'd want you could add a link maybe | |
| 10:23 | drojf | ikourmou++ |
| 10:24 | ikourmou | ok, i will do this. I would like to encourage everyone here to register... |
| 10:24 | and submit presentation proposals. | |
| 10:24 | cait | maybe a kohacon16 page that points to your website - to help get it more visible |
| 10:25 | magnuse | #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 10:25 | ikourmou | also if you have any comments / suggestions on the presentation topics |
| 10:25 | http://kohacon2016.lib.auth.gr/?page_id=29 | |
| 10:25 | i will be happy to read them | |
| 10:26 | drojf | i have a question |
| 10:26 | ikourmou | and general suggestions or comments - regarding kohacon |
| 10:26 | drojf | is it possible to register without google forms? |
| 10:26 | because there was a lot of personal information, like food allergies and stuff | |
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| 10:26 | ikourmou | you can send an email, containing only the info you wanna give... |
| 10:27 | drojf | cool |
| 10:27 | cait | #info Please register and submit presentation proposals - forms are on the website |
| 10:28 | so if the form doesn't work, send an email? | |
| 10:29 | ikourmou | If anybody can't reach the form or doesn't want to fill in all that info, they can send an email |
| 10:29 | cait | #info If anybody can't reach the form or doesn't want to fill in all that info, they can send an email |
| 10:29 | just clarifying for the minutes | |
| 10:29 | ikourmou | if there are no comments / suggestions, I would like to ask a few things... |
| 10:29 | cait | please ask |
| 10:29 | drojf | i had something else with the forms but i forgot, sorry |
| 10:30 | i will send you an email if it comes up again | |
| 10:30 | ikourmou | do we need to define a keynote speaker / topic? |
| 10:30 | do you have to suggest sth? | |
| 10:30 | cait | hm |
| 10:31 | bag | hmm is right |
| 10:31 | cait | trying to remember :) |
| 10:31 | drojf | i think traditionally there is a koha history talk at the beginning? but that depends on people handing in a proposal for that |
| 10:31 | cait | I think sometimes someone from the institution hosting it said a few words in the beginning |
| 10:31 | and sometimes the current release manager | |
| 10:31 | drojf | oh yes, bag, tell us a story :) |
| 10:32 | cait | I think there is no strict rule |
| 10:32 | bag | well I could have already released in May drojf |
| 10:32 | cait | it's up to you on how you want to do it |
| 10:32 | drojf | oh. true |
| 10:32 | bag | and who knows if I’ll do a second one ;) |
| 10:32 | ikourmou | ok, so depending on the presentation prposals we could choose the keynote speaker / topic. |
| 10:32 | cait | good point heh |
| 10:32 | drojf | i'd say wait for the proposals and see what you get |
| 10:33 | bag | but I do love to talk :) |
| 10:33 | cait | and if you have something you'd like to do - try it out :) |
| 10:33 | ikourmou | ok, thanks |
| 10:33 | cait | bag: you could still talk about 3.24 - or the funding... or... lots of things :) |
| 10:33 | bag | yeah I like the try whatever you want to try attitude |
| 10:33 | drojf | funding is probably not a great warmup topic |
| 10:34 | ask them once they love koha (in case they are new to it) | |
| 10:34 | ;) | |
| 10:34 | cait | maybe at the end ): |
| 10:34 | :) | |
| 10:34 | drojf | should be the case after three days :) |
| 10:34 | cait | ikourmou: do you have another question? |
| 10:34 | ikourmou | also, do you think it would be interesting to have some case studies with Koha implementations around the world? |
| 10:35 | gmcharlt | +1 |
| 10:35 | bag | yes |
| 10:35 | thd | ++ |
| 10:35 | drojf | yes. preferably done by librarians, not support providers |
| 10:35 | magnuse | yes |
| 10:35 | drojf | or library staff |
| 10:35 | cait | +1, by libraries for libraries :) |
| 10:36 | magnuse | the story of the public libraries in turkey might be an interesting one, for example |
| 10:36 | drojf | if they release the code… |
| 10:36 | :P | |
| 10:36 | ikourmou | i think we could ask some people (based on the list emails) to give presentations about their libraries (ie - I have Turkey and Saudi Arabia in mind) |
| 10:37 | thd | Any suggestions on how to fly cheaply from the US? |
| 10:37 | bag | thats cool |
| 10:37 | ikourmou | @magnuse exactly! |
| 10:37 | huginn | ikourmou: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 10:37 | cait | ikourmou: i think Turkey would be great |
| 10:37 | gmcharlt | would still be interesting (just as yet unclear whether good example or horrible warning of making customizations to a GPL project ;) ) |
| 10:38 | drojf | from my point of view, it is a fork with unclear license at the moment |
| 10:38 | i'd prefer that to sort that out before they become the center point of a koha conference ;) | |
| 10:38 | magnuse | :-) |
| 10:38 | cait | I think getting in contact with the project woud possible answer a lot of questions :) |
| 10:38 | drojf | *to be sorted out |
| 10:38 | but i'm curious too, of course :) | |
| 10:39 | thd | The horrible warning is also a lesson for projects about how to do better for managing contributors to avoid losing their contributions in an unnecessary fork. |
| 10:39 | drojf | what about a nice agpl talk? *hides* |
| 10:40 | ikourmou: do you need help with the proposals once the cfp is over? | |
| 10:40 | ikourmou | that;s a cmplication i haven't thought of |
| 10:41 | I should see the detail before inviting anyone to present. | |
| 10:41 | drojf | i asked on the list, joann did too. there was no reply so far about the code changes |
| 10:42 | cait | yeah :( |
| 10:42 | we have other known forks tho | |
| 10:42 | gmcharlt | hopefully somebody can make a personal contact |
| 10:43 | cait | how do we want to proceed? could we do something to help clear this up? |
| 10:43 | thd | The reasonable suggestion has been that if we had been using git much earlier we would have more contributors and fewer forks. |
| 10:44 | cait | hm i don't believe that git is the issue |
| 10:44 | there are quite new forks, because people rapidly add features they need urgently | |
| 10:44 | bag | heh |
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| 10:45 | cait | i think sometimes the pace of a project makes people fork, possibly there are other reasons too |
| 10:46 | gmcharlt | time for next agenda item? |
| 10:46 | bag | thanks |
| 10:46 | Joubu | The Turkey fork contain a lot of specific dev, Turkish related, not sure they are candidate for inclusion in master |
| 10:46 | ikourmou | drojf: of course. as soon as cfp is over i will let you know |
| 10:46 | just a couple of things: | |
| 10:46 | next step will be a call for sponsorships | |
| 10:47 | cait | sounds good |
| 10:47 | ikourmou | we 'll have a page for that |
| 10:47 | cait | #info Call for Sponsorships coming soon on the website |
| 10:47 | bag | cool |
| 10:47 | ikourmou | with all the budget planning etc |
| 10:48 | thd | ikourmou: Do you have any special insight to low priced flights from the US? |
| 10:48 | cait | Could you maybe discuss in PM and share results later? |
| 10:48 | ikourmou | thd: I dont have atm, but i could take a look and send you an email |
| 10:49 | cait: sure | |
| 10:49 | cait | thd: maybe share on the wiki what you find out? |
| 10:49 | ikourmou | I would like to finish with this: |
| 10:49 | thd | Certainly |
| 10:49 | wahanui | it has been said that Certainly is confusing.. thanks for bringing ashimema's attention to it. |
| 10:49 | cait | forget Certainly |
| 10:49 | wahanui | cait: I forgot certainly |
| 10:50 | drojf | i liked certainly :/ |
| 10:50 | ikourmou | any comments / suggestions are more than welcome (concernig every aspect of kohacon16) |
| 10:50 | bag | :) |
| 10:50 | cait | thx a lot ikourmou |
| 10:50 | ikourmou++ | |
| 10:50 | drojf: you can teach him something new :) | |
| 10:50 | ikourmou | please register and add your proposals for presentations! |
| 10:50 | cait | heh, moving on now :) |
| 10:50 | #topic KohaCon17 | |
| 10:50 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon17 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 3 February 2016) | |
| 10:51 | drojf | thanks ikourmou, looking forward to kohacon :) |
| 10:51 | cait | there is currenty one proposal from the Philippines |
| 10:51 | shoudl we talk about setting an end date for the bidding already or does this have more time? | |
| 10:51 | drojf | i dont think there will be any more before next kohacon. we are very early with this now |
| 10:52 | bag | more time |
| 10:52 | drojf | much more time |
| 10:52 | cait | ok |
| 10:52 | drojf | just because we allow proposals immediately now does not mean we have to decide earlier |
| 10:52 | cait | so not forcing this now :) |
| 10:52 | yep makes sense to me | |
| 10:52 | bag | :) |
| 10:52 | cait | #info end of bidding date to be decided much later |
| 10:53 | #info currently only one proposal from the Philippines | |
| 10:53 | so the voting process - any progress there? | |
| 10:53 | drojf | i tried to add some options we had to the wiki |
| 10:53 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_conduct_the_vote | |
| 10:53 | they are pretty basic, but that is what we discussed last time, i think | |
| 10:53 | cait | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_conduct_the_vote |
| 10:54 | drojf | i think others should have look and add pros and cons |
| 10:54 | cait | we have very low attendance today - shoudl we schedule a deifnite vote for the next meeting? |
| 10:55 | with a reminder on the mailing list maybe? | |
| 10:55 | drojf | i would say we vote around next kohacon? |
| 10:55 | cait | or that, just before the bidding closes maybe |
| 10:55 | thd | Would proposals 2 and 4 have some risk of a proximate if not actual tie? |
| 10:55 | drojf | so we can discuss this once people thought about it |
| 10:55 | cait | #info voting mechanism for next KohaCon vote to be decided - please take a look at pros and cons of methods listed on the wiki page |
| 10:55 | drojf | and there is the problem of fakes |
| 10:56 | thd | fakes is the more important issue. |
| 10:56 | drojf | we had about 10% on each side last time. with a very clear result it does not matter, but if it were close… |
| 10:56 | cait | #info please also take a look at the notes about handling fake votes |
| 10:57 | moving on? | |
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| 10:57 | thd | The idea of giving personal names along with other info seems helpful as a control. |
| 10:58 | cait | shall we add preferences to the wiki page as notes? |
| 10:58 | drojf | i would not want to limit it to institutional email addresses really, but it would be an option (which excludes a lot of people) |
| 10:58 | it would be nice if people add their thoughjts to the wiki | |
| 10:58 | so we can sum it up in one of the next meetings | |
| 10:59 | cait | #info Please add your thoughts directly to the wiki page for next meetings |
| 10:59 | #topic Update from the International Koha Fund Committee | |
| 10:59 | Topic for #koha is now Update from the International Koha Fund Committee (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 3 February 2016) | |
| 10:59 | cait | gmcharlt? |
| 10:59 | wahanui | gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology. |
| 10:59 | gmcharlt | wahanui: forget gmcharlt |
| 10:59 | wahanui | gmcharlt: I forgot gmcharlt |
| 10:59 | cait | i liked gmcharlt! |
| 10:59 | gmcharlt | so, the fundraising committee last met on 27 January |
| 11:00 | and the main topic of discussion was draft rules for a Grants committee that will disburse money collected by the funds | |
| 11:00 | the draft is still being discussed among the fundraising committee, but will be put out for general comment shortly after 10 February | |
| 11:01 | cait | #info last fundraising committee was on 27 January |
| 11:01 | #info draft rules for Grants committee still discussed but available for general comment shortly after 10 February | |
| 11:02 | I see in the action items from last stime: bag to ask how much has been raised so far | |
| 11:02 | gmcharlt | I believe we're awaiting an update from THT; we'll nudge again |
| 11:02 | cait | ok thx |
| 11:03 | questions or comments? | |
| 11:03 | gmcharlt | one other point for an upcoming general meeting |
| 11:03 | cait | yes? |
| 11:03 | gmcharlt | is that we will be proposing a change to the terms of reference (https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising) to allow majority vote rather than unaminty in article 4 |
| 11:04 | the specific proposed change to the wording will be sent out well beforehand | |
| 11:04 | * magnuse | has to run off for a bit |
| 11:05 | cait | #info A proposed change to the terms of reference (https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising) to allow majority vote rather than unaminty in article 4 to be decided at another meeting. Proposed change to the wording will be sent out well beforehand. |
| 11:05 | gmcharlt | and our general aim is to attain community approval by April or thereabouts so that we'll be in a position (assuming that the money is there) to start a cycle of disbursing grants from the fund later this year |
| 11:05 | cait | hm coudl you info that for me? :) |
| 11:05 | gmcharlt | we are also refining some material to use to encourage poeple to donate |
| 11:05 | wahanui | okay, gmcharlt. |
| 11:05 | bag | and to do fundraisers too :D |
| 11:06 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 11:06 | bag | drojf: more time (I think is appropriate here) |
| 11:06 | :P | |
| 11:06 | gmcharlt | #info The fundraising committee aims to attain community approval of the procedures for collecting and disbursing funds by April (or so) |
| 11:07 | #info Tentative aim is to do a fundraising and grant disbursement cycle later in 2016 | |
| 11:07 | cait | thx for the #info and thx to the committee |
| 11:07 | gmcharlt | and, I think that's it unless bag cares to add anything |
| 11:07 | bag | great job gmcharlt - you got everything :D |
| 11:07 | gmcharlt++ | |
| 11:09 | cait | :) moving on then |
| 11:09 | * gmcharlt | stumbles off in search of coffee |
| 11:09 | cait | do we need more brainstorming? |
| 11:10 | drojf | oh coffee |
| 11:10 | good idea | |
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| 11:10 | cait | ok, |
| 11:10 | i think no brainstorming :) | |
| 11:11 | #topic Actions from last General meeting | |
| 11:11 | Topic for #koha is now Actions from last General meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 3 February 2016) | |
| 11:11 | cait | funding committee met, asked for update about the current donations... that leaves |
| 11:11 | khall asked nicely to add another mock-up for an overview kind of page | |
| 11:11 | khall, around? | |
| 11:11 | khall | somewhat ; ) |
| 11:12 | cait | see above ^ |
| 11:13 | the topic was the issuing rules revamp from the last meeting | |
| 11:13 | khall | referring to the circ rules revamp? We haven't completed the mock-up yet |
| 11:13 | cait | where a second page to the input page was discussed |
| 11:13 | ok | |
| 11:13 | khall | : \ |
| 11:13 | cait | i will action you again :) |
| 11:13 | #action khall asked nicely to add another mock-up for an overview kind of page | |
| 11:14 | #topic Next meeting | |
| 11:14 | Topic for #koha is now Next meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 3 February 2016) | |
| 11:14 | cait | hm wednedsy |
| 11:14 | March 2nd | |
| 11:14 | thd | 9th? |
| 11:14 | Joubu | maybe another time? :) |
| 11:14 | cait | 10 UTC |
| 11:15 | drojf | we had 10 utc today |
| 11:15 | cait | ah sorry |
| 11:15 | 20utc | |
| 11:15 | drojf | i don't mind, but others may :) |
| 11:15 | cait | me and timezones... i can't be trusted |
| 11:15 | drojf | if that works for you? i think you said its your birthday |
| 11:16 | thd | What about 9th March. |
| 11:16 | ? | |
| 11:16 | cait | well... yes it is |
| 11:16 | 9th would work for me - but also somene else coudl chair :) | |
| 11:16 | drojf | i don't see why we should not take 9 |
| 11:16 | thd | I prefer not the first Wed of the month. |
| 11:16 | cait | ok |
| 11:17 | so suggestion: Wednesday 9th, 20UTC | |
| 11:17 | +1 | |
| 11:17 | drojf | +1 |
| 11:17 | cait | March... |
| 11:17 | wahanui | somebody said march was often the month with the most snow here... |
| 11:17 | thd | +1 |
| 11:17 | cait | #agreed Next IRC meeting will be held on 9 March, 20 UTC |
| 11:17 | #endmeeting | |
| 11:17 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the IRC home of Koha https://koha-community.org | Code of conduct - https://koha-community.org/abo[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 11:17 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Feb 3 11:17:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 11:17 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-02-03-10.00.html | |
| 11:17 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]6-02-03-10.00.txt | |
| 11:17 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]03-10.00.log.html | |
| 11:17 | thd | Snowy 9th ;) |
| 11:17 | cait | thx all |
| 11:17 | off for lunch | |
| 11:17 | Joubu | thx cait |
| 11:19 | drojf | wiki page added |
| 11:20 | i deleted debian install and fundraising, and copied the rest. i hope that was correct | |
| 11:21 | updated https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]neral_IRC_meeting too | |
| 11:22 | cait++ | |
| 11:33 | liw: around? | |
| 11:33 | liw | maybe... |
| 11:33 | wahanui | hmmm... maybe is a momentaneous error |
| 11:34 | liw | drojf, what's up? |
| 11:35 | drojf | you were talking about doing a debian packaging workshop. are you going to hand in a proposal for kohacon? |
| 11:36 | liw | drojf, I could do that, though right now it needs to be tentative, as I have various upheavals in my work life coming up during the next two months and this might ruin everything |
| 11:38 | drojf | oh, i hope it won't ruin anything! |
| 11:40 | liw: just wanted to say if greece won't work for you or the organizers, maybe berlin the week before would. don't know how that would work with funding (i think rangi mentioned that), but maybe it's an option for you | |
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| 11:53 | liw | drojf, ack, that's good to know |
| 11:54 | drojf, I thnk what I would like to do is hold on for a couple of weeks before submitting proposals, and if the work thing looks positive, I'll submit something | |
| 11:55 | drojf | liw: i think cfp for greece ends end of february. it would be more of a hackfest thing, so i don't know if that matters |
| 11:56 | khall | cait: https://www.dropbox.com/s/sfb3[…]2-03+06.54.35.png |
| 11:56 | cropped: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nyyi[…]06.56.44.png?dl=0 | |
| 11:57 | liw | drojf, the thing I would like to do is take 2-4 hours, spend a bit of time on theory (to give people the big picture view) and then go through a packaging exercise of a simple program with the participants (everyone makes a package, alone or in pairs), and then maybe look at some of the Koha Debian packaging |
| 11:57 | drojf, not sure how that'd fit into a conference or hackfest the way Koha does them | |
| 12:01 | drojf | liw: sounds great to me. i have only been to one kohacon so far. there were only shorter things at the hackfest. but there were always groups discussing things and general dev work in parallel, so i don't see why it should not fit in, as long as there is some space aside the main group to gather |
| 12:03 | i have no idea how many people are interested in the topic. i only know i am :) | |
| 12:05 | liw | my goal with the tutorial would be to get people up to speed so that they can a) build the Koha Debian package themselves b) make small packaging changes as needed c) help maintain the packages (always good to not have to rely on a single person) |
| 12:05 | drojf | liw: as for berlin, i don't do a cfp, it will all be very casual. there might be a catmandu workshop if they can't go to greece too. it's in an "open source coworking space" so there might be non-koha people that would like to join. |
| 12:06 | yeah that would be very good | |
| 12:06 | Joubu | That would be a great workshop for the hackfest |
| 12:06 | drojf | and packing other dependencies would be a helpful skill too |
| 12:07 | liw | one of the problems is that I hvaen't actually paid any attention on Koha or its Debian packaging, on a technical level, since 2010, and i have no idea what I'm doing |
| 12:07 | cait | khall: options for sorting and hiding columns would be great |
| 12:08 | khall: hm columsn and rows maybe, like ... show all that is there for library A | |
| 12:08 | khall | cait: yep! this is just a basic mockup |
| 12:08 | cait: agreed, i put that suggestion on the wiki page already ; ) | |
| 12:08 | cait | cool :) |
| 12:08 | khall | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ackend_Revamp_RFC |
| 12:09 | not sure if we should show the rule selected for all of them at once, or only show it when the cell is clicked. | |
| 12:09 | doesn't really need to be decided just yet at least | |
| 12:10 | drojf | liw: i think a general workshop would be nice and helpful, if you can't look into the koha specific parts |
| 12:10 | cait | hm not sure i understand that bit :) |
| 12:10 | liw | drojf, *nod* |
| 12:10 | khall | The top cell of Loan period is like it would look if you clicked on that field |
| 12:10 | it shows the rule selected ( Library A / All / All ) and a quick link to the rules editor | |
| 12:11 | probably best to keep the rule hidden until clicked, | |
| 12:11 | at least most of the time. | |
| 12:11 | we could have a 'show all rule selectors' checkbox as well | |
| 12:12 | cait | aah, so the table shows the explicit rules for each combination- the cell shows the single rule? |
| 12:12 | khall | right |
| 12:12 | cait | and only 'more information' on klick |
| 12:12 | coudl also maybe be a checkbox on top | |
| 12:12 | khall | exactly |
| 12:12 | cait | to show or not show |
| 12:12 | khall | yep, that's what I'm thinking |
| 12:13 | cait | drojf++ thx for adding the next page already |
| 12:14 | drojf | cait: maybe we should put the fundraising back on? it would probably be good to have that as a regular topic |
| 12:14 | cait | yep sure |
| 12:14 | i just added the page to https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings too | |
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| 12:32 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:40 | cait | hm is there a way to change the color of the icons in the opac navbar? |
| 12:42 | oleonard | Not in the OPAC, where the icons come from an image sprite |
| 12:44 | Sorry to miss the meeting. No power at my house this morning :( | |
| 12:45 | cait | oleonard: thx for confirming :) |
| 12:45 | sorry to hear about the power problem | |
| 12:46 | oleonard | My kids were excited to eat breakfast by candlelight |
| 12:46 | drojf | heh |
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| 12:49 | * magnuse | waves |
| 12:56 | oleonard | Don't we have a bug for adding fontawesome icons to the OPAC? |
| 12:57 | Oh there it is | |
| 12:57 | Bug 15287 | |
| 12:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15287 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, francescalamoore, NEW , Use font-awesome on the OPAC |
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| 13:48 | paul_p | magnuse = are you around ? |
| 13:49 | * oleonard | waves to paul_p |
| 13:49 | paul_p | hi oleonard. Good morning ! |
| 13:50 | oleonard (when is the vote in OH ? here we've heard a lot of iowa !) | |
| 13:50 | * cait | waves too |
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| 13:52 | oleonard | paul_p: Not until March. And I'm sure you've heard way too much about Iowa! |
| 13:53 | Prepare to hear way too much about New Hampshire next. | |
| 13:53 | paul_p | oleonard ;) |
| 13:53 | oleonard for sure, we heard much more about that than about what's happening in Burundi, and it's much much more important (this country falling in civil war again) | |
| 13:54 | * paul_p | has very very good friends in Burundi... |
| 13:54 | oleonard | I agree, not that a Trump presidency wouldn't be a disaster for everyone. |
| 13:55 | paul_p | trump as president of the US. That could be fun (in a movie only...) |
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| 14:16 | magnuse | paul_p: i'm around for ~15 more minutes |
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| 14:36 | slef | hello everybody |
| 14:40 | Does anyone have tips on serials for where you get multiple copies at one branch? In particular, is there an easy way to set up different routing lists for each copy, or does each copy have to be its own subscription? | |
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| 14:41 | * oleonard_ | waves to slef |
| 14:41 | * slef | waves at oleonard_ |
| 14:57 | cait | slef: currently only one routing list per subscription |
| 14:57 | you you'd have multiple subscriptons - one for eachcopy | |
| 14:58 | i thnk there is a bug about enabling mulitple routing lists | |
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| 15:00 | slef | cait: thanks. bug 7957 perhaps? |
| 15:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7957 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Routing lists: manage several routing list for each subscription, and export them as CSV |
| 15:01 | cait | yes, that was the one i was thiking about |
| 15:01 | slef | ok thanks |
| 15:01 | cait | ... and sorry for the typos :) |
| 15:02 | slef | I have no legs. |
| 15:02 | cait | ? |
| 15:02 | slef | http://dictionary.reference.co[…]a-leg-to-stand-on |
| 15:03 | as in, I can't criticise it because I typo often. | |
| 15:04 | It's a mangled idiom ;) | |
| 15:08 | cait | thx :) |
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| 15:24 | * andreashm | waves |
| 15:34 | slef | bbl |
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| 15:47 | * kidclamp | waves |
| 15:49 | * cait | waves |
| 15:50 | * oleonard | waves, and wonders what we are waving about |
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| 15:53 | kidclamp | y'know, just a "Good morning" type wave, but exctied, like Kermit, both hands in the air, crazy arms, big smiles! |
| 15:54 | oleonard | "Yaaaay!" |
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| 15:59 | oleonard | Bug 13715 makes "limit to available" 100% useless. |
| 15:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13715 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , "limit to items available" hides records with multiple items where 1 is not available (checked out) but others are |
| 16:02 | jcamins | oleonard: bug 4481 |
| 16:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4481 major, P1 - high, ---, koha.sekjal, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Search's Limit to Available filters out many available items |
| 16:02 | oleonard | I was just wondering if you were really around jcamins |
| 16:03 | jcamins | Nope. |
| 16:19 | oleonard | khall, alex_a: I still can't get Bug 14695 to apply on master |
| 16:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14695 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add ability to place multiple item holds on a given record per patron |
| 16:20 | khall | oleonard: will double check |
| 16:20 | alex_a | oleonard: let me try |
| 16:20 | khall | alex_a: thanks! |
| 16:22 | oleonard | barton please check out the discussion on Bug 15551 when you get a chance |
| 16:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15551 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , checked out items not showing on returns.pl |
| 16:23 | alex_a | oleonard, khall: No problem for me |
| 16:23 | oleonard: Did you use git bz? | |
| 16:23 | oleonard | Yes |
| 16:23 | barton | oleonard: looking. |
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| 16:29 | alex_a | oleonard: mmh weird. It does not apply on biblibre sandboxes ... |
| 16:29 | But it's ok on my local master | |
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| 16:34 | Joubu | alex_a: apply and reattach the patch on the bug report |
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| 16:34 | Joubu | then try again |
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| 16:43 | alex_a | oleonard: Looks like it works now (applied on biblibre's sanbox) |
| 16:43 | thx Joubu | |
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| 16:45 | oleonard | Yes, it applies for me now too alex_a, thanks! |
| 17:03 | drojf | what is a save place to put xslt files in koha? it deleted my stylesheet from the regular folder |
| 17:04 | after an update | |
| 17:04 | safe | |
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| 17:13 | drojf | i guess it's a translation feature. i only had it in /de-DE/, which probably gets deleted before the translation is updated |
| 17:18 | eythian | drojf: I'd use somewhere in /var |
| 17:18 | That's really also where translations from the packages should go, imo | |
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| 17:31 | drojf | makes sense. but all the {langcode} stuff would have to be changed |
| 17:37 | koha-us++ #finally | |
| 17:43 | oleonard | But no formal announcement? |
| 17:44 | drojf | i thought i had missed it, but if you have not seen one too… |
| 17:45 | cait | drojf: we put them in en and let translate run over them |
| 17:46 | drojf: with the added trick of having all strings pre-translated in an include file that does not end in .xsl and is just copied over untranslated | |
| 17:47 | if you name it something not .xsl the translation script doesn't touch it... :) | |
| 17:47 | drojf | the second part sounds confusing ;) thought it won't be translated if there is no po file anyway |
| 17:49 | cait | hm i remember now |
| 17:49 | it's a copy of the standard file - so the standard strings i want it to translate and the additions go into the included file... | |
| 17:49 | which has the only benefit of me not having to maintain the po files | |
| 17:50 | i just run koha translate update to that the file gets picked up | |
| 17:50 | it sounds somehow too complicated :) | |
| 17:52 | drojf | i think i understand it ;) |
| 17:53 | cait | scary :) |
| 17:54 | drojf | we do not have an automatic update of the standard marc framework, do we? |
| 17:54 | cait | hm in which way? |
| 17:55 | I think we included database updates in the patches for the new fields, but only for the default framework | |
| 17:56 | drojf | that would be enough, the rest could be customized. i was wondering about the new files, like rda stuff |
| 17:56 | and i thought i had not all fields in an older install | |
| 17:56 | Joubu | bye #koha |
| 17:57 | drojf | have to check again |
| 17:57 | * barton | wonders if the bibliographic data for "Das Kapital" would be stored in a MARX record. ;-) |
| 17:57 | oleonard | :P |
| 17:57 | * druthb | groans |
| 17:57 | drojf | lol |
| 17:57 | * druthb | throws tomatoes at barton |
| 17:58 | barton | how many hard core communists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? |
| 17:59 | eh. no one's biting... | |
| 17:59 | none: the lightbulb contains the seeds of its own revolution! | |
| 18:00 | [ok, i'll stop] | |
| 18:00 | amyk-PHONE | barton lol |
| 18:01 | cait | heh |
| 18:01 | bye all :) | |
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| 19:25 | nengard | Hello #koha I'm in a demo say hi to the librarians! |
| 19:26 | onre | hi, librarians! we are the internet |
| 19:26 | nengard | tgoat you there??? |
| 19:26 | Say hi to McKinney!! | |
| 19:27 | TGoat | Hi McKinney! |
| 19:27 | nengard | vikki from flower mound says hi |
| 19:27 | she is a glutton for punishment | |
| 19:27 | demo #5 | |
| 19:27 | hehe | |
| 19:27 | TGoat | Hi Vikki! |
| 19:28 | I feel like I'm on romper room but I can't see anyone :P | |
| 19:28 | nengard | hehe |
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| 20:22 | kathryn | hi everyone |
| 20:24 | TGoat | HI Kathryn |
| 20:25 | neeed any help? | |
| 20:25 | kathryn | thanks for asking :) I just lurk here a lot |
| 20:25 | I always need help, but I didn't break Koha today | |
| 20:25 | I work at Catalyst in NZ | |
| 20:38 | barton | @later tell oleonard I closed bug 15551; kidclamp opened bug 15736 in its stead. |
| 20:38 | huginn | barton: The operation succeeded. |
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| 22:09 | cait | hm forgot to turn the chat client back on :( |
| 22:10 | pianohacker | @later tell cait omfg you deleted koha |
| 22:10 | huginn | pianohacker: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:10 | pianohacker | sorry, forgot to tell you sooner |
| 22:10 | cait | ? |
| 22:12 | pianohacker | :) |
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| 22:35 | eythian | kathryn: hi |
| 22:35 | Also everyone else | |
| 22:35 | kathryn | hi eythian :) |
| 22:35 | thanks for my birthday wishes t'other day | |
| 22:35 | eythian | 😀 |
| 22:37 | aleisha | hi eythian how's things |
| 22:38 | eythian | Hi aleisha. Things are good here. |
| 22:38 | aleisha | good to hear! |
| 22:38 | eythian | Be nicer to be out of winter though |
| 22:38 | pianohacker | winter-- |
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| 22:52 | bag | hola |
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| 23:10 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15358: Fix authorities merge <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]75a3d9afc8da6e007> / Bug 15687 [QA Followup] - Tidy sub to remove tab characters <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ceab6374627aeb95c> / Bug 15687: Fix xgettext.pl syntax errors <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]diff;h=70112cfb81 |
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