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00:31 | TGoat | hey #koha if a language pack is complete (for this instance it's Arabic) does that mean Koha is translated completely into Arabic? Both OPAC and Staff-side? The external portions that show to patron and staff as well as the data/information that populates and displays the queries/results into the results fields. |
00:32 | rangi | most of it yes |
00:32 | there are still a few bits untranslatable | |
00:32 | but 98% of it will be by then | |
00:33 | staff and client | |
00:33 | you can check | |
00:33 | here | |
00:33 | http://translate.koha-community.org/ar/3.22/ | |
00:33 | so the marc frameworks are translated, the opac is, all the prefs are, and the help and staff interface are too | |
00:34 | cait | i think even more like 99% these days |
00:41 | TGoat | thanks rangi and cait.. |
00:41 | cait | we got a lot better about translatability |
00:42 | TGoat | for sure.. |
00:42 | so just to be clear that's both the information on the pages and the data as it is presented .. right? | |
00:43 | gotta a guy with the Gates Foundation asing me some questions | |
00:43 | dcook | What does "data as it is presented" mean? |
00:44 | TGoat | duno why I've been getting so many questions about translation lately |
00:44 | the data that is being queried | |
00:44 | dcook | What do you mean by "the data that is being queried"? :p |
00:44 | TGoat | like the MARC or patron data |
00:44 | dcook | No |
00:44 | It won't be translated on the fly. | |
00:44 | If a MARC record is in English, it'll be displayed in English | |
00:45 | If it's in Arabic, it'll be displayed in Arabic | |
00:45 | TGoat | oh, that's what I was thinking. It has to be in the original language |
00:45 | dcook | Database data doesn't get translated, but I believe newer versions of Koha allow for multiple languages to be stored for things |
00:45 | TGoat | makes sense |
00:46 | but with google translate nowadays you never know for sure | |
00:46 | cait | not for all things.. just item types |
00:46 | but there are workarounds | |
00:46 | dcook | Google translate isn't perfect ;) |
00:46 | cait | using jquery and the like |
00:46 | TGoat | true that |
00:46 | cait | very far from perfect... |
00:46 | dcook | I once needed a system in French and English |
00:46 | TGoat | work around cait? |
00:46 | dcook | And they showed us the French side... it was completely wrong |
00:46 | They said it was just a demo... but... | |
00:46 | TGoat | right.. but |
00:46 | dcook | I left before they made the decision, so I've always wondered what happened |
00:47 | cait | like if you want one of the opac html sysprefs be in multiple languages |
00:47 | TGoat | saying something can be translated seems so open ended |
00:47 | cait | you can 'switch on' the right content with css and hide the other |
00:48 | TGoat | I feel like if you don't ask the exact quesiton then you may miss it completely |
00:48 | right | |
00:49 | thanks cait and dcook. you've been very helpful! | |
00:49 | dcook | I try :). Hope it helped. |
00:50 | TGoat | in the NAVY we had a saying, "clear as mud". you've made it less murky :) much appreciated |
00:51 | cait | hm basicaly |
00:51 | to make things muddy again... | |
00:52 | you can pretty much translate everything... having it in mulitple languages at once is a bit more difficult | |
00:52 | dcook | ^ |
00:52 | cait | template things that won't change work well, but everything you enter into the database is harder |
00:52 | dcook | ^ |
00:53 | TGoat | I understand. Ever think we'll get to the poin t that it can translate into more than one? |
00:53 | dcook | ? |
00:53 | cait | there is a new patch to provide that for the itemtype description |
00:53 | i secretly hope someone will do authorised values next... becuase with locations and collections that would pretty much cover the OPAC | |
00:53 | TGoat | more than one language.. say a user chooses a language at login |
00:54 | cait | doesn't have to |
00:54 | TGoat | many folks in in the EU speak more than one langiage |
00:54 | cait | it shoudl all swtich using the language switcher at the bottom |
00:54 | dcook | ^ |
00:54 | TGoat | they could choose between languages |
00:54 | cait | we also get a lot of foreign students here |
00:54 | dcook | Yeah, switching between languages makes sense |
00:54 | Not having two at once though :p | |
00:54 | cait | so all our libraries provide english and german actually, some have more languages |
00:54 | TGoat | yea, not two at once :p |
00:54 | cait | what would be a nice addition: a preferred language setting for the patrons |
00:54 | dcook | ^ |
00:55 | cait | and then be able to send them a notice in the preferred language |
00:55 | dcook | We could do more with "locale" for sure |
00:55 | cait | we can't do that right now |
00:55 | TGoat | that would be nice |
00:55 | dcook | A lot of Java-based things I've seen allow you to have a string in lots of different languages |
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00:55 | dcook | And you use a locale to choose between them |
00:56 | TGoat | cool.. thanks |
00:56 | dcook | And the code just uses a pointer to whatever string that locale is set to |
00:56 | Could do the same thing with a database rather than xml files | |
00:56 | Database is probably better at it tbh | |
00:56 | TGoat: no worries | |
00:56 | cait++ | |
00:56 | For being a master at all the things :D | |
00:56 | TGoat | @cait++ |
00:57 | huginn | TGoat: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
00:57 | TGoat | @dcook++ |
00:57 | cait | lol |
00:57 | huginn | TGoat: I suck |
00:57 | dcook | hehe |
00:57 | cait | translations are obviously something i have to deal with :) |
00:57 | TGoat | you guys are all awesome! |
00:57 | dcook | translations are something I'm grateful to other people for |
00:57 | While I could probably do an OK job of French, there's no way I could provide translations for our Arabic clients | |
00:57 | TGoat | roger that |
00:57 | wahanui | aye aye cap'n |
00:57 | TGoat | that's what Im dealing with.. Arabic |
00:58 | dcook | I wish I could read it :/ |
00:58 | Once upon a time, I thought about studying it | |
00:58 | cait | yeah that has an additioanl difficulty |
00:58 | for being an RTL script | |
00:58 | TGoat | it looks ike it belongs in a painting |
00:58 | dcook | Used to work in a library that had some Arabic collections.. taught myself numbers 1-10 then forgot them.. |
00:58 | (so much for Arabic numerals..) | |
00:59 | cait | i think some other scripts even more so |
00:59 | TGoat | I went to Dubai and Abu Dhabi this year and it was awesome. if you have the chance go |
00:59 | cait | hm sanskrit? |
00:59 | dcook | sanskrit is intimidating for sure |
00:59 | cait | but so pretty |
00:59 | dcook | Agreed |
00:59 | Don't know about its direction.. | |
00:59 | Hebrew is right to left too I think | |
01:00 | cait | yeah i think currently we onyl have arabic and hebrew |
01:00 | TGoat | I have as hebrew library that is asking questions too.. you guys are hitting all my sweet spots |
01:00 | dcook | Don't know anything about Hebrew myself |
01:00 | cait | hm I think hebrew was not very complete as a translation last time i checked |
01:01 | but they could fix that :) | |
01:01 | the effect is similar as for arabic - with the mirroring effect in the gui | |
01:02 | i should sleep :) | |
01:02 | bye all | |
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01:02 | TGoat | nite |
01:04 | leaving for the gym with the wife. thanks again dcook. | |
01:08 | * Francesca | waves |
01:16 | Francesca | @wunder wlg |
01:16 | huginn | Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (2:00 PM NZDT on November 13, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). |
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05:32 | mveron | @wunder Allschwil |
05:32 | huginn | mveron: The current temperature in Grenchen, Switzerland is 6.0°C (6:20 AM CET on November 13, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). |
05:46 | mveron | Bye #koha |
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07:49 | reiveune | hello |
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07:58 | Joubu | good morning #koha |
08:01 | Amit_Gupta | hi joubu |
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08:02 | gaetan_B | hello |
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08:03 | alex_a | bonjour |
08:14 | Amit_Gupta | hello gaetan__B |
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08:20 | * magnuse | waves |
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09:15 | * cait | waves |
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09:35 | * andreashm | waves |
09:37 | Joubu | cait: what do you think of bug 14259, should we continue to maintain non-xslt views? |
09:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14259 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , OPAC system preference BiblioDefaultView is ignored |
09:37 | * andreashm | imported our database to my Kohadevbox yesterday. About a million records or so. Now I'm reindexing zebra.... and can actually see it working, line by line. Oh my, this is going to take a while. =) |
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09:41 | atheia | morning! |
09:50 | cait | morning atheia :) |
09:51 | Thx Joubu :) | |
09:52 | * atheia | waves |
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09:58 | magnuse | Joubu: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]plates_deprecated : "Consequently, the non-XSLT option is now deprecated and it will not be maintained." |
09:59 | Joubu | thanks magnuse |
10:18 | ashimema | kill all reference to non-xslt everywhere :) |
10:18 | has been deprecated long enough now me thinks ;) | |
10:19 | * ashimema | is in cruel dictator mode today ;) |
10:20 | needs more tea | |
10:31 | xarragon | I have trouble creating a complex, linked dataset with test::builder, the dumped output differs from my input, I am probably chaining it together incorrectly. Can anybody spot the error? http://39650b7456cbbba6.paste.se/ |
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10:31 | June | Hello |
10:32 | is there any web services to retrieve the item information by using Barcode number? | |
10:33 | cait | ashimema: it's regression if we kick it out now |
10:33 | ashimema: some features only work with it | |
10:34 | June | I can only retrieve by ID with this link http://127.0.0.1/cgi-bin/koha/[…]e=GetRecords&id=1 |
10:34 | * ashimema | thinks that's also a good excuse to remove unused features ;) |
10:34 | ashimema | In all seriousness, I'd like to see if HEA can say whether anyone is using non-xslt and those features we'de be deprecating ;) |
10:34 | cait | the feature is not that old |
10:34 | one for highlighting your own branch or something | |
10:34 | xarragon | I must be doing something really stupid because not even the branch code gets set corretcly it seems |
10:35 | ashimema | what feature is it then? |
10:35 | cait | sec |
10:35 | bug 2619 | |
10:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2619 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Turning on XSLTResultsDisplay preference turns off item detail display |
10:35 | cait | bug 12561 - look at the depends ons |
10:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12561 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Omnibus: Deprecate non-XSLT detail and result views |
10:36 | cait | HighlightOwnItemsOnOpac and OpacPopupAuthosSearch for sure |
10:36 | there is also a report from gaetan somewhere about it being much slower that we didn't really investigate yet | |
10:36 | but that's why the deprecating /kicking out came to a halt basically | |
10:37 | ashimema | sounds mean.. but I would suggest those people actually using such feature should take some more responsability for replicating them when we wish to deprecate old code ;) |
10:37 | XSLT is deffo much slower.. | |
10:37 | xarragon | Okay, do not look at my code. Must be basic PEBKAC error, not even a 'hello world' style dataset is buitl correcly. |
10:37 | ashimema | it's the price for the flexability it brings.. and using XML.. yuk |
10:38 | cait | but much more complete too... the old display is quite ugly. i think we could probably remove the detail page |
10:38 | the problems are in the result list | |
10:39 | * ashimema | woudl eventually like to replace xslt with somthing a bit more lightweight.. but there is allot preventing that at the moment ;) |
10:39 | ashimema | there is an alarming amount of logic in those templates |
10:40 | but yeah.. we really aught to get feature parity and then nuke non-xslt for now | |
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10:50 | drojf | hi #koha |
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11:16 | Joubu | fridolin: how can I test bug 14078? |
11:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14078 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Signed Off , converting from ISO5426 is not complete |
11:18 | fridolin | Joubu: there is a sample of records |
11:18 | in iso2709 format | |
11:18 | Joubu | fridolin: yes but on master I don't see any encoding issue |
11:20 | Could someone test something with 3.22beta + Plack? | |
11:21 | I get "Upload status: Failed" when I try to stage records :-/ | |
11:24 | fridolin | Joubu: mmh i'll retest |
11:24 | Joubu | fridolin: I get the upload error without your patch |
11:24 | fridolin | Joubu: did you untar ? |
11:24 | (2c question) | |
11:25 | Joubu | fridolin: I manage to import the records, that's not the problem. I don't get any encoding issues, withtout your patch |
11:25 | So I won't be able to confirm your patch fixes something | |
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11:32 | fridolin | Joubu: i provide en example in th eBZ |
11:35 | Joubu: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…].cgi?id=14078#c13 | |
11:35 | huginn | 04Bug 14078: normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Signed Off , converting from ISO5426 is not complete |
11:35 | fridolin | Joubu: i reproduce the effet of my path in uptodate master |
11:35 | Joubu | ok thanks |
11:42 | fridolin | Joubu: thanks to you for testing 8-) |
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12:09 | Joubu | @later tell rangi please have a look at the splitter cronjob please, it's completely out of sync again |
12:09 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
12:09 | Joubu | @later tell rangi please have a look at the splitter cronjob please, it's completely out of sync again |
12:09 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
12:09 | Joubu | oops :) |
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12:19 | tcohen | morning |
12:19 | * ashimema | is about to submit his first pull request on DBIx::Class.. wish me luck |
12:20 | ashimema | s/me/him/ - bad us of tense |
12:20 | s/us/use/ | |
12:20 | * ashimema | gives up |
12:21 | atheia | ^^ |
12:22 | Joubu | tcohen: I get a very weird behavior with the stage import tools under Plack. With a kohadevbox:ansible box, it "works", I can upload the file (just the first step, not the records import) |
12:22 | but with my "local dev" install, it does not, I get "upload status: failed" | |
12:23 | I have switched my $fh = $upload->{fh}; to my $fh = open '<', $filename; and it now works | |
12:23 | I remember I already encounter this error before but I don't manage to find the patch | |
12:23 | Does it remember something to you? | |
12:23 | (did you already drink your cup of tea?) | |
12:23 | tcohen | i don't remember that |
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12:24 | tcohen | i haven't, i'm about to get a coffee |
12:24 | and start working on that bug too | |
12:24 | Joubu | Actually I was not on it, but discover it working on qaing something else |
12:24 | tcohen | as i see it, the problem is in BackgroundJob |
12:26 | people have tried commenting uncommenting lines that close the STDOUT filehandle to notify apache it should leave the background process alone (seems buggy, not sure how that would work on nginx or other software) | |
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12:26 | andreashm | sigh. I'm rebuilding zebra but my computer turned off, and now I cant restart the process as it seems to be locked. is there a way of continuing the halfway reindex? or if not, how can I clear the lock? |
12:27 | I tried deleting the var/lock/koha folder but got denied because of permissions | |
12:27 | tcohen | /var/run/koha... |
12:30 | Joubu | and got a "check permission" error on upload.pl under plack, but everything works fine without plack |
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12:34 | Joubu | ok plack was not running using the right user... |
12:34 | andreashm | thanks tcohen |
12:34 | * Joubu | runs and hides |
12:35 | tcohen | Joubu: :-P |
12:37 | #koha: remember that (regarding plack) we are testing the integration of it into the packages, using Starman to control the process. This means that it is important to test using the debian/templates/plack.psgi file, AND the debian/scripts/koha-plack script | |
12:37 | both can/should be patched if we find issues on them | |
12:38 | Joubu | tcohen: and if we don't know how to fix a specific issue? :p |
12:38 | tcohen | do you pray? regularly? |
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12:49 | cait | back |
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13:10 | Joubu | tcohen: Bug 15032: Make sure the filehandle is not close on background mode |
13:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15032 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Plack testing -- Stage MARC records for import -- Internal Server Error/Stalled Staged Import |
13:10 | Joubu | that's the patch I was thinking about |
13:10 | tcohen: Bug 15032: Make sure the filehandle is not close on background mode | |
13:10 | that's the patch I was thinking about | |
13:10 | wahanui | i already had it that way, Joubu. |
13:10 | tcohen | yeah, I remembered |
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13:46 | cait | khall: around? |
13:46 | i got a holds question... | |
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13:48 | cait | hm no khall... that's unfortunate |
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14:16 | cait | hm jcamins maybe? |
14:19 | Joubu | tcohen: see last patch on bug 14915 |
14:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14915 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Use Font Awesome instead of Glyphicons for the staff intranet |
14:20 | tcohen | thanks Joubu |
14:23 | Joubu | tcohen: and I confirm that everything explodes when Crypt::GCrypt is not installed |
14:23 | bug 15182 | |
14:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15182 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , make test fails immediately on 3.22.00-beta due to missing Crypt::GCrypt which is optional |
14:24 | tcohen | Joubu: solution? make it mandatory? |
14:24 | Joubu | tcohen: certainly caused by Bug 15151: Avoid DB access to load C4::Members |
14:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15151 blocker, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , t/Circulation_barcodedecode.t fails if no DB present |
14:25 | tcohen | Joubu: I'm sure that's the reason |
14:25 | Joubu | confirmed, I have reverted it and it works |
14:25 | erk | |
14:25 | fix something and it explodes somewhere else... | |
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14:26 | Joubu | We could around the require with an evel |
14:26 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14915: (follow-up) [FA 4.4] (QA followup) Replace fa-hold with fa-sticky-note-o <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b1289fe8a946e4d7a> |
14:26 | Joubu | I am it's a very dirty solution, but it works... |
14:26 | sure* | |
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14:36 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15079: Batch Delete Records Error <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d7e60c376cfe87983> / Bug 14985: dbms expects a iso formatted date <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]bcb91f00bd92b4be4> / Bug 14985: Simplify the date management in AddReserve <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]mitdiff;h=7aabe91 |
14:41 | Joubu | tcohen, khall, ashimema: please have a look at the patch on bug 15182 |
14:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15182 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , make test fails immediately on 3.22.00-beta due to missing Crypt::GCrypt which is optional |
14:41 | tcohen | thanks for the quick patch Joubu |
14:41 | Joubu++ | |
14:42 | andreashm | humm, there's no way to style the text (bullet lists, headings, bold/italics) in Bugzilla, right? |
14:43 | I believe my wall of text will be hard to read... | |
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14:44 | Joubu | andreashm: - or * for the bullets :) |
14:44 | andreashm | joubu: yeah, I'm adding * now. Still, it makes it kind of hard to read. not even tabs is supported... |
14:45 | magnuse | have fun #koha! |
14:47 | andreashm | bye |
14:54 | ok, wall of text saved on bug 10662 | |
14:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10662 new feature, P3, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Build OAI-PMH Harvesting Client |
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14:55 | cait | khall: ... ping! |
14:56 | andreashm | for those who want to spend the rest of friday afternoon reading OAI feedback. =) |
14:56 | cait: holds questions? | |
14:57 | cait | i wanted to discuss something with him |
14:58 | i will try another time :) | |
14:59 | andreashm | not here for discussions friday afternoon? bah! =) |
14:59 | although it's not afternoon yet for him. oh well... | |
15:00 | * andreashm | should probably go home soon. brain melt. |
15:01 | cait | :) |
15:03 | Joubu | tcohen: another bug fix on bug 14544 |
15:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Move the list related code to Koha::Virtualshelves |
15:06 | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15058: Update German web installer sample files for 3.22 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d264f1f465bf42235> / Bug 15178: Update of Italian web installer .sql files for 3.22 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]26e4876d93abac175> | |
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15:07 | andreashm | woot! bug 15165 |
15:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15165 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Needs Signoff , REST API routes to list, edit and pay borrower's accountlines |
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15:48 | andreashm | bye #koha |
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15:55 | Joubu | nengard: Hi! Do you have more detail to give us on bug 15071? |
15:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15071 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , red color on check outs |
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15:59 | pianohacker | Joubu: I just poked her |
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16:01 | nengard | pianohacker, is actually sitting across the table from me :) |
16:04 | Joubu | nengard: did you see my question? :) |
16:05 | reiveune | bye |
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16:05 | nengard | Joubu, I updated the ticket |
16:06 | Joubu | nengard: thanks! |
16:11 | cait | Joubu++ |
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16:21 | bag | morning |
16:34 | Joubu | I think bug 14795 is a critical one for 3.20.x, please test |
16:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14795 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Batch record modification tool removes framework code |
16:54 | Joubu | Have a good week-end #koha! |
17:12 | tcohen | bye Joubu uuuuu |
17:14 | cait | bye Joubu :) |
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17:28 | gaetan_B | bye |
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18:44 | trasheagle | Hello! |
18:45 | Can anyone help me form some HTTP API urls? | |
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19:15 | trasheagle | Does anyone have experience using the /svc HTTP API? |
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19:24 | trasheagle | Is anyone out there? |
20:20 | xarragon | Hmm, when writing database tests with test_builder, is there recommended way to handle when errors are raised? |
20:21 | Because a lot of time the tests aborts before the transaction rollback code at the end runs and thi polliutes the database with junk | |
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22:20 | xarragon | Ah, ok, it does it automatically, existing tests was simply not cleaning up properly. |
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23:05 | Francesca | hello |
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