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| 00:51 | wizzyrea | ibeardslee: nobody wants to pay for the cert. |
| 00:51 | I already pay for the server so | |
| 00:52 | I'd be SUPERHAPPY to set it up once I have a cert tho | |
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| 00:55 | eythian | wizzyrea: let's encrypt is coming out soon anyway |
| 00:55 | wizzyrea | yes true |
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| 01:42 | eythian | khall_away: Koha::Object is way underdocumented, you should explain its purpose and how it should be used in the perldoc, otherwise no one else can meaningfully use it. |
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| 02:10 | * eythian | wants to be on the QA team just so he can create a form reply saying "You haven't documented this. To the back of the queue!" |
| 02:13 | wizzyrea | I'm... not sure I disagree with this tactic. |
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| 02:32 | Francesca | wizzyrea is koha going to mars? https://catalyst.net.nz/news/m[…]n-source-pioneers |
| 02:32 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 02:32 | Francesca | if so can I come |
| 02:32 | wizzyrea | hehe sure |
| 02:32 | ibeardslee | I'll start a pledgeme campaign .. one way right? |
| 02:32 | wizzyrea | we must make sure to put the first library on mars. |
| 02:33 | I love you to ibeardslee | |
| 02:33 | too* | |
| 02:33 | Francesca | please make it return |
| 02:33 | wizzyrea | and it must be a Koha library |
| 02:33 | Francesca | we shall establish a koha library then return home victorious |
| 02:34 | cdickinson says make it part of the catalyst cloud and establish a data centre on mars | |
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| 02:38 | wizzyrea | Isn't that what the article says? |
| 02:39 | also, Ford has made an open standard for integrating phones with cars. That seems... remarkably thoughtful of them. | |
| 02:40 | * wizzyrea | was taught that Ford stood for "Fix or repair daily" |
| 02:40 | Francesca | hahahaha |
| 02:40 | eythian | There was a great TAL episode about the US car industry, though focusing on GM |
| 02:40 | wizzyrea | oh I used to love this american life. |
| 02:40 | why did I stop listening to that? | |
| 02:41 | Francesca | why did you? |
| 02:41 | eythian | http://www.thisamericanlife.or[…]de/561/nummi-2015 <-- this |
| 02:41 | wizzyrea | oh right because I stopped driving all over northeast kansas fixing computers and soothing librarians. |
| 02:41 | Francesca | you did that? |
| 02:41 | wizzyrea | yep :) |
| 02:41 | Francesca | cdickinson feels sorry for you |
| 02:42 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 02:42 | eythian | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQW72hk8B4 <-- wizzyrea, did you know they had a short-lived TV series |
| 02:42 | wizzyrea | now that I did know |
| 02:42 | I think before I was smart, I bought it on iTunes. | |
| 02:43 | smart*er | |
| 02:43 | Francesca | hahahaha |
| 02:45 | wizzyrea | http://ministryofgifs.org/post/130175259402 |
| 02:45 | Francesca | ouch |
| 02:46 | cdickinson said something too rude to literally put in here so summed up he called the dog a jerk | |
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| 03:12 | drescot | FREE EBOOKS FOR FREE PEOPLE http://spiritualwarfare666.web[…]atans_Library.htm |
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| 03:18 | ibeardslee | haven't they already popped in about that recently? |
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| 05:17 | dcook | @later tell barton|away left heaps of comments for you on bug 14861 |
| 05:17 | huginn | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 05:17 | dcook | @later tell barton left heaps of comments for you on bug 14861 |
| 05:17 | huginn | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
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| 05:42 | dcook | I wonder how many commits this VM's git is behind.. |
| 05:43 | Mmm about a year and a half's worth.. | |
| 05:43 | * Francesca | waves at dcook |
| 05:43 | dcook | heya Francesca |
| 05:43 | wahanui | is waging a war against the video driver that continues to fail on her vm |
| 05:44 | Francesca | hahahahahaha |
| 05:44 | dcook | Good luck with that :p |
| 05:44 | Francesca | I forgot that one existed |
| 05:44 | dcook | Actually... I thought that I had fixed that with my VM and now the video driver is having an issue.. |
| 05:44 | Francesca | Lol we managed to fix it in the end |
| 05:44 | it was my vm | |
| 05:44 | not wahanuis | |
| 05:45 | dcook | Mine had to do with 3D acceleration I think.. |
| 05:45 | cdickinson | dcook: maybe I can help |
| 05:45 | what hypervisor are you using? | |
| 05:46 | Francesca | hahahaha cdickinson to the rescue |
| 05:46 | he fixed mine | |
| 05:46 | cdickinson | if it's VirtualBox, then fixing it for Ubuntu or Debian isn't hard, just gotta know what to do |
| 05:47 | dcook | cdickinson: Yeah, it's Virtualbox and Debian. I fixed it ages ago but it seems like it reverted. I almost never use this VM so I don't really care :) |
| 05:47 | Francesca | he'll want to fix it now |
| 05:47 | dcook | hehe |
| 05:47 | cdickinson | dcook: make sure DKMS is installed, then reinstall the VirtualBox Guest Additions |
| 05:47 | Francesca | he hates broken slow virtual machines |
| 05:48 | cdickinson | and make sure VirtualBox is up to date as well |
| 05:48 | dcook | Sorry, I meant the guest is Debian. The host is Windows. |
| 05:48 | cdickinson | yep |
| 05:49 | on the host, update VirtualBox. in the guest, install DKMS and reinstall the VirtualBox Guest Additions | |
| 05:49 | dcook | O_o |
| 05:49 | Francesca | hahahaha |
| 05:49 | dcook | Well, I'll take a look at that later :) |
| 05:50 | Still only halfway through the git fetch atm.. | |
| 05:50 | cdickinson | dcook: all good. run 'glxinfo | grep renderer' after you do it |
| 05:50 | and see if the renderer is 'Chromium' or something like that | |
| 05:50 | Francesca | I might be able to take a screenshot and stick in here if that helps |
| 05:51 | cdickinson | as long as it's not LLVMpipe, you're good |
| 05:51 | * dcook | wonders if anyone noticed when he said that he doesn't really care in this case ;) |
| 05:51 | Francesca | hahaha |
| 05:51 | cdickinson | I noticed |
| 05:51 | but I care | |
| 05:51 | Francesca | cdickinson is like a dog with a home |
| 05:51 | dcook | haaha |
| 05:51 | I like that | |
| 05:51 | Francesca | bone |
| 05:51 | dcook | I'm the same way |
| 05:51 | Francesca | if its broken he'll fix it |
| 05:51 | * dcook | is the pot calling the kettle black |
| 05:51 | dcook | Only reason I'm on this VM is to see why Zebra isn't working for barton |
| 05:51 | * Francesca | dies laughing |
| 05:51 | Francesca | oh |
| 05:52 | dcook | Even though it works for me :p |
| 05:52 | cdickinson | lol |
| 05:52 | Francesca | can't help with that sorry |
| 05:52 | dcook | I think I'm the Zebra whisperer |
| 05:52 | cdickinson | you are always supportive in the weirdest of ways, Francesca |
| 05:52 | dcook | Actually, the problem looks like Koha and not Zebra |
| 05:52 | cdickinson | in that case, I have a question, dcook |
| 05:52 | Francesca | actually kohl-community was down earlier |
| 05:52 | koha' | |
| 05:52 | * Francesca | facepalms |
| 05:52 | wahanui | http://buikitty.files.wordpres[…]120202-094434.jpg |
| 05:53 | cdickinson | dcook: have any idea how to run a Zebra server on a separate machine from the Koha instance? |
| 05:53 | literal facepalm | |
| 05:53 | wahanui | cdickinson: facepalm =is= <reply>http://buikitty.files.wordpres[…]120202-094434.jpg|a tiny member of the Arecaceae family whose preference for warm, humid environments makes it a perfect choice for cultivation in the human nasal cavity. |
| 05:53 | cdickinson | wahanui: facepalm is also <reply> http://media1.giphy.com/media/[…]5ibpuFO/giphy.gif |
| 05:53 | wahanui | okay, cdickinson. |
| 05:54 | dcook | cdickinson: I haven't done it, but I'd say use tcp rather than unix sockets |
| 05:54 | Francesca | cdickinson is also <reply> tech support for everyone |
| 05:54 | wahanui | okay, Francesca. |
| 05:55 | cdickinson | when configuring the listen segments? |
| 05:55 | in koha-conf.xml | |
| 05:55 | dcook | Yep |
| 05:55 | koha-conf.xml should even have the instructions inside | |
| 05:55 | cdickinson | I suspect koha-conf-site.xml.in doesn't |
| 05:55 | but there was an example one in the git repo which was more helpful | |
| 05:56 | dcook | I really wish that I used Debian for Koha sometimes :p |
| 05:56 | Being the odd one out is no fun :p | |
| 05:56 | Francesca | literal cdickinson |
| 05:56 | wahanui | Francesca: cdickinson =is= <reply> I run windows. Don't judge me.|dirt poor most of the time|<reply> I've been awake for 30 hours. Please don't judge me.|<reply> tech support for everyone |
| 05:56 | Francesca | he runs windows dcook |
| 05:56 | you're not alone | |
| 05:56 | cdickinson | dcook: I use Ubuntu on my Koha as a Service, though I made everything as platform-agnostic as possible |
| 05:56 | in fact, I had to add hacks to make it work on Ubuntu >_> | |
| 05:56 | Francesca | and I run mac os x and ubuntu on a vm so |
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| 05:57 | dcook | Hmm? Hacks to work on Ubuntu? |
| 05:57 | That's... surprising | |
| 05:57 | I have Koha running on Ubuntu on AWS without any hacks me thinks | |
| 05:57 | Or do you mean for your "as a Service" stuff specifically? | |
| 05:57 | cdickinson | in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, libapache2-mod-itk has a dumb bug that stops it configuring if the default MPM is configured |
| 05:58 | Francesca | cdickinson can we show him your webpage |
| 05:58 | cdickinson | had to work around that in my Koha Puppet module in order to get it to work |
| 05:58 | Francesca | for your project |
| 05:58 | dcook | Really? |
| 05:58 | wahanui | Really is more trouble than she's worth. |
| 05:58 | dcook | I mean |
| 05:58 | cdickinson | yep |
| 05:58 | dcook | I know about *mod-itk |
| 05:58 | I managed it with Chef all right | |
| 05:58 | I probably have the recipe around somewhere.. | |
| 05:58 | * Francesca | slow claps |
| 05:58 | cdickinson | wait a minute |
| 05:58 | Francesca | I see what you did there |
| 05:58 | cdickinson | I actually branched the official Apache Puppet module in order to fix that |
| 05:59 | dcook | Ahhhh, I gotcha now |
| 05:59 | Puppet calls them modules? | |
| 05:59 | Some of the recipes for Chef out there aren't so great.. | |
| 05:59 | AWS's Chef modules are crap as well.. | |
| 05:59 | err recipes | |
| 06:00 | cdickinson | modules are user-written, and let you install things like Apache |
| 06:00 | * dcook | really is an Ansible convert these days |
| 06:00 | cdickinson | and yes, some of them are not so great |
| 06:00 | dcook | The AWS ones have to do with namespace conflicts unfortunately... |
| 06:00 | I think they might fix it eventually | |
| 06:00 | Man this is slow.. | |
| 06:00 | cdickinson | lol |
| 06:00 | configuration management | |
| 06:01 | basically, a good idea | |
| 06:01 | but when did it become something that causes you nightmares | |
| 06:01 | pastebot | "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Ubuntu and Apache 2.4" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/85 |
| 06:02 | dcook | When AWS re-uses common names for their own whacky recipes.. |
| 06:02 | cdickinson: That's all I did in Chef to get around that libapache2-mod-itk issue | |
| 06:02 | I think.. | |
| 06:02 | cdickinson | ouch |
| 06:02 | dcook: one sec, I'll post mine | |
| 06:04 | * Francesca | is writing another essay about cats |
| 06:05 | pastebot | "cdickinson" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Apache Puppet Module hack" (27 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/86 |
| 06:06 | cdickinson | basically, since the event MPM always gets installed no matter how much I told it not to, I got rid of the configuration files after package install |
| 06:07 | dcook | That certainly seems hacky |
| 06:07 | Why not just unload it using the Apache commands? | |
| 06:07 | cdickinson | a solution like yours would have been nice, but the Apache Puppet module doesn't have an 'ensure' parameter, which would do the same sort of thing |
| 06:07 | * dcook | has never used Puppet |
| 06:08 | cdickinson | dcook: I could, but that would be worse, because then I'd have to run an extra command to make sure it would need to be run in the first place |
| 06:08 | dcook | "make sure it would need to be run in the first place"? |
| 06:08 | cdickinson | when you define a resource in Puppet, it has to only make the change if it needs to |
| 06:08 | for command executions, you need to define this yourself | |
| 06:08 | dcook | Right |
| 06:08 | Ack phone | |
| 06:09 | cdickinson | they wouldn't accept this upstream, I think |
| 06:09 | but I don't really agree with how the module is designed, anyway | |
| 06:10 | dcook | Hmm I think I might understand.. |
| 06:10 | So with Chef, I was preloading an Apache recipe from... I can't remember who | |
| 06:11 | But after that was run, then I did the unloading/loading as required with no fuss | |
| 06:11 | cdickinson | yeah |
| 06:11 | I might be able to do it in a nicer way | |
| 06:11 | dcook | Can't remember if it does checking itself or not.. |
| 06:11 | Ah right... there was also an apache_module resource | |
| 06:11 | cdickinson | can just get it to uninstall the event MPM package, instead of just removing the files |
| 06:11 | I would try it, but this works | |
| 06:11 | dcook | Still don't get why you can't just disable it :p |
| 06:12 | How is this Git still stuck at 61%.. | |
| 06:12 | cdickinson | ah |
| 06:12 | dcook | 1.5 years worth of commits... boo |
| 06:12 | cdickinson | lol |
| 06:12 | I can't just disable it because the resource in this module doesn't have any method of doing that | |
| 06:12 | the resource that handles the MPMs | |
| 06:12 | dcook | Ahh, that would be annoying |
| 06:12 | cdickinson | basically, if you define an MPM resource in Puppet, you want it installed |
| 06:12 | and that's it | |
| 06:13 | I can change it so that you can do that, but that's a major change | |
| 06:13 | it's usually done with an 'ensure' parameter, which controls the state of the resource | |
| 06:14 | generally, if you do it in one thing, you should do it for everything, though | |
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| 06:15 | cdickinphone | Blue careened |
| 06:15 | Screened* | |
| 06:15 | Really should adjust that Overclock | |
| 06:16 | mtj | http://joabj.com/Writing/Tech/[…]e-Versioning.html |
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| 06:48 | ashimema | morning |
| 06:49 | dcook | afternoon ashimema :) |
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| 06:54 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:00 | Francesca | evening ashimema, reiveune |
| 07:00 | reiveune | hi Francesca |
| 07:00 | Francesca | sup |
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| 07:03 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:03 | wahanui | hola, alex_a |
| 07:04 | dcook | 84%.. |
| 07:04 | That's 23% in roughly 1 hour.. | |
| 07:04 | Francesca | 84%? |
| 07:04 | wahanui | 0.84 |
| 07:04 | dcook | Still fetching :p |
| 07:04 | Francesca | how long has that been going on for |
| 07:04 | dcook | I'm guessing about 1.5 hours? |
| 07:04 | Francesca | wow |
| 07:04 | cdickinson | sounds like a RAID rebuild or something |
| 07:05 | Francesca | RAID? |
| 07:05 | cdickinson | Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks |
| 07:05 | basically, a group of hard drives working together | |
| 07:05 | Francesca | oh ok |
| 07:05 | cdickinson | to provide faster and more redundant storage |
| 07:05 | dcook | Yeah I'm not sure why it's taking forever |
| 07:06 | But I think it's about time I head home | |
| 07:06 | cdickinson | rebuilding RAID arrays can take forevahhh |
| 07:06 | * Francesca | thinks that dcook should check his driver |
| 07:06 | * dcook | glares at Francesca |
| 07:06 | * Francesca | cowers in fear |
| 07:07 | dcook | :p |
| 07:07 | 88%... | |
| 07:07 | Francesca | so close yet so far |
| 07:07 | dcook | Indeed! |
| 07:07 | liw | estimated to rebuild a RAID is MTBF+1 day |
| 07:08 | Francesca | ugh |
| 07:08 | thats ages | |
| 07:10 | dcook | Done :) |
| 07:10 | So considerably less than a RAID build :) | |
| 07:10 | Francesca | yay finally! |
| 07:10 | dcook | 3561 commits behind |
| 07:10 | cdickinson | pretty much |
| 07:10 | lol liw | |
| 07:10 | Francesca | Home time for you now? |
| 07:10 | dcook | Mmm... I'm going to pull a cdickinson and keep poking |
| 07:10 | My wife doesn't get done work for a while so I still have a bit of time to shop and cook | |
| 07:10 | * dcook | is super husband |
| 07:11 | * cdickinson | is not a husband |
| 07:11 | cdickinson | but I feel helpful |
| 07:11 | dcook | Missing dependencies... *sigh* |
| 07:11 | * dcook | hopes this goes faster |
| 07:11 | * Francesca | hopes that cdickinson is not a husband |
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| 07:12 | Francesca | that would be awkward |
| 07:12 | cdickinson | yep, for sure |
| 07:12 | dcook | ? |
| 07:12 | Francesca | heh sorry |
| 07:12 | hard to explain | |
| 07:12 | dcook | Interesting.. |
| 07:12 | wahanui | interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 07:12 | Francesca | actually that sums it up pretty well |
| 07:13 | cdickinson | hard to explain? or interesting? |
| 07:13 | or both? | |
| 07:13 | wahanui | both is best :) |
| 07:13 | dcook | Oooh this is the first time I've had to update config files for a package install... neato |
| 07:13 | Now I'm curious :p | |
| 07:14 | Francesca | cdickinson if a question comes you're answering |
| 07:15 | cdickinson | alright |
| 07:15 | Francesca | I'm not tech support |
| 07:15 | dcook | Woohoo. Install done. |
| 07:15 | Francesca | also essay |
| 07:15 | * Francesca | sighs |
| 07:15 | Francesca | yay! |
| 07:15 | dcook | Bah.. so many steps.. |
| 07:15 | Francesca | hahahahaha |
| 07:15 | dcook | Shouldn't this have autoupgraded.. |
| 07:15 | wahanui | it has been said that hahahahaha is there someone else we should ask? |
| 07:15 | Francesca | poke it with a stick |
| 07:15 | dcook | Oh wait.. git install |
| 07:16 | Bah.. | |
| 07:17 | So what questions were there? | |
| 07:17 | Francesca | wahanui bah is bah humbug |
| 07:17 | wahanui | OK, Francesca. |
| 07:17 | cdickinson | you tell me, dcook |
| 07:18 | dcook | cdickinson, you sound like wahanui now :p |
| 07:18 | Francesca | lol |
| 07:18 | oh god | |
| 07:18 | be cdickinson | |
| 07:18 | wahanui | theres a sub-reddit for that |
| 07:18 | Francesca | now wahanui sounds like cdickinson |
| 07:18 | cdickinson | wahanui: be cdickinson is also wahanui |
| 07:18 | wahanui | okay, cdickinson. |
| 07:19 | cdickinson | be cdickinson |
| 07:19 | wahanui | Francesca's BRAAAAAAAIN! |
| 07:19 | Francesca | wahanui you are also cdickinson |
| 07:19 | wahanui | okay, Francesca. |
| 07:19 | cdickinson | <wahanui> Francesca's BRAAAAAAAIN! <--- what the |
| 07:19 | Francesca | oh my god I just lost it |
| 07:19 | I think it was set to your braaaaaaain | |
| 07:19 | dcook | Muahaha |
| 07:20 | I got it working | |
| 07:20 | Francesca | dunno why or how my name got in there though |
| 07:20 | yay! | |
| 07:20 | nice and fast now? | |
| 07:20 | cdickinson | someone has ideas, Francesca |
| 07:20 | Francesca | duh duh duuuuuuuh |
| 07:20 | dcook: well done, have a beer | |
| 07:20 | cdickinson | passing the question baton over to you, Francesca |
| 07:20 | dcook | Although this doesn't explain why barton was having problem.. |
| 07:20 | Francesca | @bartender dcook |
| 07:20 | cdickinson | gotta step out for a while |
| 07:20 | * huginn | fills a pint glass with Maredsous 8, and sends it sliding down the bar to dcook (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/222/2508/) |
| 07:20 | cdickinson | be back soon |
| 07:20 | Francesca | bye |
| 07:21 | @wunder elg | |
| 07:21 | huginn | Francesca: The current temperature in El Golea, Algeria is 21.0°C (8:00 AM CET on September 30, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:21 | Francesca | oops |
| 07:21 | @wunder wlg | |
| 07:21 | huginn | Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on September 30, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:23 | dcook | Yikes... something didn't go well in master on my vm.. |
| 07:23 | Allowed me to create a record without required fields... yikes | |
| 07:24 | Francesca | argh more work |
| 07:24 | dcook | Well, it might just be IceWeasel.. |
| 07:25 | Francesca | IceWeasel?? |
| 07:25 | wahanui | IceWeasel is probably pretty much firefox without the non-free bits |
| 07:25 | Francesca | oh |
| 07:25 | thanks wahanui, botsnack cookie | |
| 07:25 | dcook | Actually, I guess I'm using Chromium |
| 07:25 | Francesca | ah |
| 07:32 | dcook | Ok, I think mystery solved |
| 07:32 | I think barton was editing the wrong file.. | |
| 07:33 | * dcook | goes home after leaving a million bugzilla comments |
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| 07:33 | dcook | @later tell barton I think you may have been editing the wrong ccl.properties file. See the bug report for details. |
| 07:33 | huginn | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 07:35 | * Francesca | waves goodbye to dcook if he hasn't already left |
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| 07:39 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:42 | cait | hi all :) |
| 07:56 | Francesca | heya |
| 07:57 | cdickinson | alright, I'm back |
| 08:26 | cait | cdickinson: what time is it in nz right now? i think it's now 11 hours apart or so from us? |
| 08:26 | cdickinson | cait: it's 9:25pm |
| 08:26 | daylight savings just changed on Sunday morning | |
| 08:26 | cait | ah yeah |
| 08:26 | it's 10:25 am here | |
| 08:27 | cdickinson | your day is just starting |
| 08:27 | enjoy | |
| 08:27 | cait | true, but time is still going by to fast already :) |
| 08:28 | cdickinson | not enough time to do the work you have? |
| 08:28 | that's how it feels for me | |
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| 08:49 | Francesca | night all |
| 08:49 | wahanui | goodnight Francesca. You'll be back. |
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| 09:34 | cait | so quiet... |
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| 09:45 | magnuse | cait: hush... |
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| 11:12 | magnuse | @later tell darrensampson you can't import bibliographic records as svc into koha, you have to transform them into MARC records first |
| 11:12 | huginn | magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
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| 11:39 | misilot | . |
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| 11:58 | Malumfashee | is there anyone online to help? |
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| 12:25 | jajm | jcamins around ? |
| 12:26 | jcamins | Not for Koha-related things. |
| 12:26 | Why? | |
| 12:26 | jajm | i have a koha-related question :) |
| 12:27 | i just want to know if you plan to work on bug 7419 | |
| 12:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Failed QA , Add authority deduplication script |
| 12:28 | jcamins | Probably not. |
| 12:30 | jajm | jcamins, i never managed to get your script working, could you try to answer my last comment, when you have time ? |
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| 12:31 | jcamins | Any is not configured in UNIMARC, it looks like. |
| 12:35 | jajm | it would be strange... but i will check that |
| 12:35 | thanks | |
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| 15:19 | nitz0 | @tea |
| 15:19 | huginn | nitz0: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 15:20 | nitz0 | @sortinghat |
| 15:20 | huginn | Hmm... nitz0... Let me see now... GRYFFINDOR! |
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| 15:44 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:56 | cait | @sortinghat |
| 15:56 | huginn | Hmm... cait... Let me see now... SLYTHERIN! |
| 15:56 | cait | ugh |
| 16:00 | @sortinghat | |
| 16:00 | huginn | Hmm... cait... Let me see now... GRYFFINDOR! |
| 16:09 | nitz0 | haha |
| 16:10 | druthb | @sortinghat |
| 16:10 | huginn | Hmm... druthb... Let me see now... RAVENCLAW! |
| 16:10 | druthb | :/ |
| 16:11 | * druthb | files a Bugzilla against the Hat, as she's clearly a Hufflepuff. |
| 16:12 | cait | huh |
| 16:12 | why is the only reference to OPACFineNoRenewals i can find in the database in the updatedatabase and release notes? :( | |
| 16:13 | oh, whitespace | |
| 16:13 | wahanui | whitespace is http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]patches-with-git/ |
| 16:13 | * cait | nods |
| 16:13 | cait | the hat is clearly malfunctioning |
| 16:14 | druthb | It figured it out on second try for you, tho |
| 16:14 | cait | hm not sure |
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| 16:29 | drojf | evening |
| 16:29 | eythian++ | |
| 16:30 | cait | hi drojf |
| 16:30 | slept in? | |
| 16:30 | :) | |
| 16:30 | drojf | cait: heh. i wish. slept little, got a flu |
| 16:31 | cait | ew |
| 16:31 | drojf | i hope i can instantly kill it |
| 16:31 | no time for that | |
| 16:32 | cait | i am glad you are far far away from me right now :) |
| 16:33 | drojf | did you see the rvk-visual thing on inetbib? |
| 16:33 | cait | nope? |
| 16:33 | wahanui | somebody said nope was http://i.imgur.com/flFgB.gif |
| 16:34 | cait | i am waiding through rda docs... |
| 16:34 | wading even | |
| 16:34 | drojf | oh that sounds like fun |
| 16:34 | cait | hmpf |
| 16:34 | drojf | can you explain it to me when you are done? :) |
| 16:34 | cait | not sure |
| 16:34 | but it starts here... | |
| 16:34 | they are swtiching the union catalog during the weekend | |
| 16:34 | so coming monday the libraries are allowed to catalog in RDA | |
| 16:35 | and then beginning next year it's going to be mandatory | |
| 16:35 | drojf | oh, already? waah |
| 16:35 | cait | waah. |
| 16:35 | drojf | can't we pretend it is not there until it goes away? :) |
| 16:35 | cait | i don't think so |
| 16:36 | drojf | :( |
| 16:36 | not fair | |
| 16:36 | cait | there are some rda sample records on our website -but they have some bugs. i can let you know when they get updated |
| 16:36 | drojf | great! |
| 16:36 | cait | they already fixed some things - so waiting for a newer version :) |
| 16:37 | @marc 264 | |
| 16:37 | huginn | cait: unknown tag 264 |
| 16:37 | drojf | heh |
| 16:37 | good bot | |
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| 16:41 | * cait | tries to see how the publisher ifnormation gets into the cart |
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| 16:47 | cait | looking at this... it shouldn't even work now |
| 16:49 | magnuse | rda-- |
| 16:50 | lipstick on a very old and sick pig... | |
| 17:02 | cait | it will give us big big problems |
| 17:02 | mostly the 260/264 is pretty horrible | |
| 17:02 | jcamins | cait: MARC causing problems? |
| 17:02 | cait | sssh don't tell anyone |
| 17:02 | bug 10306 | |
| 17:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10306 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Publication information can only be mapped to either 260 or 264 (RDA) |
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| 17:04 | cait | i currently have no ide how to fix this |
| 17:04 | any constructive ideas welcome | |
| 17:04 | pianohacker | ohhh this is where the major practice of always getting mappings from the default framework bites us in the butt :/ |
| 17:05 | cait | yep |
| 17:05 | we already have a big unimarc/marc21 issue with copyrightdate and publicationyear | |
| 17:05 | jcamins | cait: does "eradicate MARC like enemies of the dalek" count as a constructive idea? |
| 17:05 | cait | but this makes it entirely worse |
| 17:05 | jcamins: nope. | |
| 17:06 | pianohacker: seriously... i need to find a way to fix this | |
| 17:06 | or 'we' do | |
| 17:06 | pianohacker | ... I think the only thing you can really do is have a separate framework and make everything that looks for mappings pass the framework code, cait |
| 17:06 | cait | ... so good ideas are very welcome |
| 17:06 | * jcamins | rocks back and forth, dalek-like and says "EX-TER-MIN-ATE EX-TER-MIN-ATE." |
| 17:06 | cait | it will at least affect all export formats that are not marc and all displays we built without looking at the marc record... so practically everywhere but result list and detail page :( |
| 17:07 | pianohacker | cait: yup :/ |
| 17:07 | cait | i am not sure if extending the koha-to-marc-mappings is the way to go |
| 17:07 | pianohacker | wahanui: marc is <action>rocks back and forth, dalek-like and says "EX-TER-MIN-ATE EX-TER-MIN-ATE." |
| 17:07 | wahanui | ...but marc is the standard that isn't|<reply>http://marc-must-die.info|<reply>The MARC specs live at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ - abandon hope all ye who enter here.|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi-ZIOmB6EM... |
| 17:07 | pianohacker | wahanui: marc is also <action>rocks back and forth, dalek-like and says "EX-TER-MIN-ATE EX-TER-MIN-ATE." |
| 17:07 | wahanui | okay, pianohacker. |
| 17:07 | cait | but on the other hand... it could allow for non marc stuff mappings too in the future? :) |
| 17:07 | jcamins | marc? |
| 17:07 | wahanui | marc is the standard that isn't |
| 17:08 | jcamins | marc? |
| 17:08 | wahanui | marc is probably the standard that isn't |
| 17:08 | jcamins | marc? |
| 17:08 | wahanui | marc is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi-ZIOmB6EM |
| 17:08 | jcamins | marc? |
| 17:08 | * wahanui | rocks back and forth, dalek-like and says "EX-TER-MIN-ATE EX-TER-MIN-ATE." |
| 17:08 | cait | marc? |
| 17:08 | wahanui | The MARC specs live at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ - abandon hope all ye who enter here. |
| 17:08 | jcamins | Nice! |
| 17:08 | I didn't know you could do that. | |
| 17:08 | cait | pianohacker: but ... that's huge |
| 17:08 | pianohacker: we might need a quicker fix to just have things at least working somewhoe? | |
| 17:08 | or maybe it would be the fastest solution... just no idea how to do it | |
| 17:09 | pianohacker | cait: :/ we already handle a lot of this stuff with piecemeal hardcoded hacks |
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| 17:09 | pianohacker | like how we fetch eans/upcs/isbns |
| 17:09 | cait | we do a bit of stuff for publicationyear/copyrightyear - but haven't found much else |
| 17:10 | pianohacker | cait: plus there's, you know, C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm |
| 17:10 | cait | maybe something for the dev meeting |
| 17:10 | pianohacker | which is a different bucket of crazy |
| 17:10 | cait | heh |
| 17:10 | pianohacker | yeah, I'd say so |
| 17:10 | cait | but that's not affected here i think |
| 17:10 | not even part of the mappings | |
| 17:10 | pianohacker | no, thank god |
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| 17:10 | pianohacker | there are no mappings... it's alllllll hardcoded |
| 17:10 | cait | well..y eah |
| 17:10 | but at least in a central place ;) | |
| 17:11 | pianohacker | *shiver* I guess :) |
| 17:11 | cait | i will try to send an email today or tomorrow about the bug... maybe someone has a good idea how to solve it |
| 17:12 | pianohacker | cait: as someone not as familiar with the cataloging side of this, can you do something as simple as checking for RDA info first then falling back to MARC21? |
| 17:12 | cait | heh |
| 17:12 | marc21 is the format | |
| 17:12 | rda is the cataloguing rules | |
| 17:13 | pianohacker | that falls under the category of "piecemeal hack," not "proper boil-the-ocean solution," but... |
| 17:13 | cait | replacing rak for us and i think aacr2 for you |
| 17:13 | it's both still in marc... until bibframe | |
| 17:13 | pianohacker | cait: wasn't quite sure whether to say aacr2 or marc21 (or usmarc) |
| 17:13 | they all get a bit jumbled on occasion :) | |
| 17:13 | cait | i know that our union catalog puts rda in 040$e - but i am nto sure if that is a general thing |
| 17:14 | but you can fall back i think, like look for 264 first (which would only appear in an rda record) and then fall back to 260 | |
| 17:14 | pianohacker | okay, yeah |
| 17:14 | cait | the problem is |
| 17:14 | hm | |
| 17:14 | everytime we look up data in the database fields like here | |
| 17:15 | GetBiblioData | |
| 17:15 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1bced32dab2b#l774 | |
| 17:16 | ... so koha-to-marc-mappings... hm. | |
| 17:16 | i am not sure where in the code it happens yet, somewhere during import? | |
| 17:19 | TransformMarcToKoha | |
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| 18:43 | charles_ | Is there documentation on how to mock database transaction in unit tests with the new schema->resultset ? |
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| 20:22 | * Francesca | waves |
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| 21:33 | eythian | hi |
| 21:33 | wahanui | privet, eythian |
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| 22:22 | Francesca | @wunder wlg |
| 22:22 | huginn | Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on October 01, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
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| 22:36 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 22:36 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 9.7°C (12:36 AM CEST on October 01, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). |
| 22:36 | Francesca | wow its actually colder where you are |
| 22:38 | eythian | it is also after midnight there :) |
| 22:38 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 22:38 | eythian | hush wahanui |
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