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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:00 | dcook | I actually wanted to use a gender neutral word, but I don't know enough Spanish... |
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| 00:01 | dcook | @later tell eythian That's awesome. I really need to book tickets and stuff for OSDC... |
| 00:01 | huginn | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 00:01 | wizzyrea | gente |
| 00:01 | dcook | wizzyrea: gracias :D |
| 00:01 | wizzyrea | súbditos |
| 00:01 | dcook | That's funny as the French equivalent would be "gens" I guess |
| 00:01 | wizzyrea | it's like "folk" |
| 00:02 | dcook | Folk has to be one of my favourite words ever |
| 00:02 | wizzyrea | gentes, probably |
| 00:02 | habitantes, also probably ok | |
| 00:02 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:02 | I like that | |
| 00:02 | wizzyrea | which is like, population, people |
| 00:02 | dcook | habitantes of #koha :D |
| 00:02 | wizzyrea | we should ask tcohen ^.^ |
| 00:02 | dcook | How does one use "of" in Spanish? |
| 00:02 | eythian | dcook: me too |
| 00:03 | dcook | de in French... di in Italian? |
| 00:03 | da? | |
| 00:03 | * dcook | lives in an Italian suburb... he should really learn Italian.. |
| 00:03 | wizzyrea | los maybe? |
| 00:03 | dcook | Wouldn't that be a definite article? |
| 00:03 | wizzyrea | yes. duh. |
| 00:03 | ah yea de | |
| 00:03 | it's been ages since I thought about spanish | |
| 00:04 | dcook | los habitantes de #koha? |
| 00:04 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 00:04 | close as I can get you | |
| 00:04 | :) | |
| 00:04 | dcook | I think about French all the time, especially when my family post photos of commercial packaging which contains both French and English labels :( |
| 00:04 | * dcook | gets sad over this |
| 00:04 | dcook | thanks, wizzyrea :D |
| 00:04 | * dcook | isn't so keen on the unilingual packaging here |
| 00:04 | eythian | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVYvbd8PD-Q <-- dcook |
| 00:04 | dcook | One reason why I love going to the "international" section at the grocery store |
| 00:05 | Donde Esta La Pollo... is that like... Turkey is the chicken? | |
| 00:05 | Ahh "Where's" | |
| 00:05 | Dinde is French for turkey... I figured maybe.. | |
| 00:05 | pianohacker | hahahahahahaha |
| 00:06 | dcook | eythian: Where do you find this stuff? :p |
| 00:06 | eythian | it's a classic NZ band |
| 00:06 | * dcook | puts Portishead back on |
| 00:06 | dcook | Ahh |
| 00:08 | eythian | https://youtu.be/DuGGNsE3_8Y <-- dcook, I just assumed this was you |
| 00:08 | dcook | eythian: It's actually surprisingly accurate |
| 00:08 | * dcook | used to sail a boat on the Saskatchewan river |
| 00:08 | dcook | True fact |
| 00:08 | eythian | stealing wheat and barley and all the other grains? |
| 00:09 | dcook | Nah, mostly we just ate meat and cheese and enjoyed the sun |
| 00:09 | Except on the stormy days, but then it was mostly trying to not drown when you're nearly horizontal | |
| 00:09 | We already had our own wheat and barley back at the farm :p | |
| 00:10 | This song never gets old | |
| 00:10 | eythian | it doesn't |
| 00:10 | dcook | Hehe. I don't know if I ever noticed the matey/metis line :p |
| 00:12 | All right. While I'm distracted, I should see that latest political video... | |
| 00:13 | eythian | at least your're not in Austral....oh wait |
| 00:13 | dcook | Yeah... |
| 00:14 | Technically, I could live and work in New Zealand :p | |
| 00:14 | pianohacker | phew, that was the most time I've spent working on rancor in ages |
| 00:14 | dcook | pianohacker++ |
| 00:14 | pianohacker | marc-- |
| 00:14 | dcook | pianohacker: Juggling a few projects, I'm guessing? |
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| 00:14 | dcook | You're done your masters now, yeah? |
| 00:14 | pianohacker | yes, finished in may and they'll give me the silly paper in december |
| 00:15 | dcook | \o/ |
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| 00:15 | pianohacker | dcook: been working on a large variety of projects, but not much time on rancor (though that's soon to change) |
| 00:15 | wnickc: just posted a followup you may be interested in on bug 11559 | |
| 00:15 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, In Discussion , Professional cataloger's interface |
| 00:16 | pianohacker | dcook: there's a circ rules editor/backend revamp Kyle and I will be posting an RFC for soon :) |
| 00:16 | dcook: what have you been up to? | |
| 00:17 | dcook | pianohacker: nice one! |
| 00:17 | Oh man... | |
| 00:18 | Splitting my time between a non-Koha project, the OAI-PMH harvester, and then regular Koha stuff like support/setups/etc | |
| 00:18 | I don't know how I've actually managed to stay sane :p | |
| 00:18 | pianohacker | I know the feeling :) |
| 00:18 | what's the non-Koha project? | |
| 00:21 | dcook | Nothing too exciting. A legacy app that I keep chugging along, but it eats up time. |
| 00:21 | pianohacker | yeah... |
| 00:22 | dcook | I'm kind of hoping that there will come a time after I'm done that project and the harvester where I can just focus on regular Koha stuff again |
| 00:22 | Test patches, upstream patches, have slow days... haha | |
| 00:22 | * dcook | misses slow days |
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| 00:37 | pianohacker | all right, it's errands/dinner time |
| 00:37 | bye all! | |
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| 01:08 | BobB | flaky internet here today |
| 01:09 | dcook | Interesting.. my wifi has been playing up but ethernet is all right |
| 01:19 | BobB | opposite for us |
| 01:20 | dcook | Just noticed this out of the corner of my eye when looking through our local bug tracker: |
| 01:20 | "The sex of patrons..." | |
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| 01:20 | dcook | For a second, I thought the librarians might be giving out too much information :p |
| 01:21 | Actually that probably still works regardless of how you fill in that ellipsis.. | |
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| 06:02 | dcook | eythian: Just had one of those lovely moments where you have an error for a package but it's so deeply buried that you have no hope in finding it.. |
| 06:02 | * dcook | guesses he'll start looking through every reference he has to DateTime.. |
| 06:04 | dcook | Well not really... just going to start inserting test strings until I find where it's dying.. |
| 06:06 | Ahh | |
| 06:06 | Had written "time" instead of "$time" | |
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| 06:21 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:28 | magnuse | community++ cait++ for a good gbsd! |
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| 06:32 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:32 | wahanui | hola, reiveune |
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| 06:37 | * dcook | waves |
| 06:49 | * magnuse | shouts ncip! ncip! ncip! |
| 06:51 | * Francesca | waves |
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| 06:58 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:58 | wahanui | what's up, alex_a |
| 06:59 | irma | I hear shouting all the way from the far north ...magnuse, is that you? What is so exciting about ncpi? |
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| 07:00 | Joubu | good morning |
| 07:00 | wahanui | well, it's morning somewhere, yes |
| 07:00 | magnuse | irma: not exciting at all, just something i gotta get done |
| 07:00 | preferably today | |
| 07:00 | bonjour alex_a Joubu | |
| 07:01 | alex_a_ | salut magnuse |
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| 07:05 | irma | sounds interesting magnuse :) I am sending you a virtual lunch box with VEGEMITE sandwiches so you don't need to stop for lunch. Does that help? |
| 07:07 | Joubu | I am sure he will need a break :) |
| 07:11 | magnuse | thanks irma! |
| 07:12 | but yeah, there will be breaks | |
| 07:12 | * magnuse | usually walks the dog for half an hour before lunch |
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| 07:23 | magnuse | bonjour cait sophie_m |
| 07:23 | sophie_m | hi magnuse and #koha |
| 07:23 | cait | hi all |
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| 07:24 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:29 | Joubu | hum, bug 14293 seems a bit bad, could someone confirm? |
| 07:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14293 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Error in the calculation of the suspension of users per day |
| 07:30 | Joubu | Looking at the code, yes it's broken. But I am surprised that nobody raised this problem before. |
| 07:30 | It would exist in > 3.18 | |
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| 07:46 | * andreashm | waves |
| 07:47 | magnuse | tjänare andreashm |
| 07:47 | andreashm | hej magnuse |
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| 08:07 | Joubu | pianohacker: around? |
| 08:07 | cait | Joubu: around? :) |
| 08:07 | * cait | waves |
| 08:07 | Joubu | hello cait |
| 08:07 | cait | about the barcode bug |
| 08:07 | i tested in master without the patch for another barcode pattern -s ame results - but I didn't test in an earlier version | |
| 08:08 | doy ou mean it used to generate the next number in older versions for multiple items? | |
| 08:08 | Joubu | cait: I want to know because if it's a regression I can try and fix it |
| 08:08 | cait | i can test in a 3.18 if you give me amoment -we don't have libraries using the autobarcode |
| 08:08 | Joubu | yes ofc |
| 08:08 | cait | did you see my other comment on the on-site checkouts? |
| 08:09 | Joubu | not yet |
| 08:09 | cait | I failed to file a bug for it - but i think we should make on-site visible somewhere in the patron account |
| 08:09 | it only shows in the reading history, but no indicator on the current checkouts | |
| 08:10 | Joubu | cait: something else: pianohacker added a note on the column visibility for items bug: "that this development does not allow applying default settings to subfields that aren't mapped." |
| 08:10 | But the table already only displays the mapped fields | |
| 08:10 | or I missed something | |
| 08:10 | cait | not sure i understand his comment |
| 08:10 | ah | |
| 08:10 | i think what he means is having default columns visibulitiy in the columns settings? | |
| 08:11 | not the defaults for the subfields | |
| 08:11 | would that make sense? | |
| 08:11 | Joubu | ha maybe |
| 08:11 | cait | in the columns administration |
| 08:13 | hm it appears to be broken in 3.18.8 as well .. the homebranch barcode | |
| 08:13 | testing another | |
| 08:13 | it generates the same number all over | |
| 08:14 | but i agree... i kind of wonder if that has worked in older verseions | |
| 08:14 | but probably earlier than 3.18 then? | |
| 08:15 | bug 8425 | |
| 08:15 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8425 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, ASSIGNED , Autobarcode generates duplicate barcodes with AcqCreateItems = on order |
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| 08:17 | cait | from 2012 |
| 08:17 | there is also bug 10890 | |
| 08:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10890 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Failed QA , Autobarcode "<branch>yymm00001" Fails in Acquisitions When Receiving Item |
| 08:17 | cait | and bug 8684 |
| 08:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8684 major, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Duplicate check for creating items on order broken |
| 08:19 | Joubu | hum ok, will have a look again... but I think 8684 fixes a bug on the check for an existing item, not the one create in the same round |
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| 08:20 | Joubu | cait: something else... sorry! But have you seen my previous comment here about bug 14293? |
| 08:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14293 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Error in the calculation of the suspension of users per day |
| 08:22 | cait | is this the correct bug? |
| 08:22 | Joubu | yes |
| 08:23 | cait: ha but... for the barcode, the issue is on additem or neworderempty? | |
| 08:23 | cait | neworderempty |
| 08:23 | wahanui | somebody said neworderempty was really slow. |
| 08:23 | cait | becuase of ajax |
| 08:23 | Joubu | ha! ok that's a regression then |
| 08:23 | cait | we don't write the barcode generated back to the database |
| 08:23 | so creating multiple it always creates the same | |
| 08:24 | there is no comment from you on the bug :) | |
| 08:24 | i think it's a duplicate | |
| 08:24 | i have seen another this morning | |
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| 08:25 | cait | bug 13909 |
| 08:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13909 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , Suspension days calculation doesn't honour finesCalendar |
| 08:26 | cait | hm no |
| 08:26 | Joubu | the barcode stuff is not a regression, it has never worked I am almost sure |
| 08:27 | cait | oh, comment on irc |
| 08:27 | Joubu: yeah, it hink so too | |
| 08:27 | sadly :) | |
| 08:29 | andreashm | missed GBSD yesterday. So I signed off a bug today instead. Or so I thought, but I get an error message (status=200) when I try to attach it. =( |
| 08:29 | cait | Joubu: bug 13909 related |
| 08:29 | ? | |
| 08:29 | andreashm: which bug? | |
| 08:29 | andreashm | I probably messed up somewhere. As usual. =9 |
| 08:29 | cait | ah |
| 08:29 | andreashm | bug 14726 |
| 08:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14726 minor, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Signed Off , Title not showing up on checkout summary |
| 08:29 | cait | you might have to update your git bz |
| 08:30 | is there a git bz repository in your dev environment? | |
| 08:30 | ine is in home/katrin... but not sure how the dev env is set up | |
| 08:30 | andreashm | I'm using using kohadevbox |
| 08:30 | cait | magnuse: ? :) |
| 08:30 | can you check if there is a git-bz in your home directory of the user? | |
| 08:31 | andreashm | I get git bz to work, I could apply the path. but not attaching it to sign off |
| 08:31 | cait | andreashm: it still counts |
| 08:31 | Joubu | cait: yes, they opened 14293 some months ago and commented on 13909 yesterday. |
| 08:31 | cait | you got 1.20 left or so of gbsd :) |
| 08:32 | andreashm: i was thinking maybe it's a problem iwth the auth | |
| 08:32 | the error is usually hidden somehwere in the 200 html you get back | |
| 08:32 | magnuse | andreashm: could it be a timeout? |
| 08:32 | andreashm | I got a timeout error first, and then tried redoing it |
| 08:32 | cait | hm try attaching it without the -e |
| 08:32 | andreashm | then got the status 200 error |
| 08:33 | ok, trying without the e | |
| 08:33 | it seemed to work | |
| 08:33 | maybe? | |
| 08:33 | wahanui | i think maybe is a momentaneous error |
| 08:34 | mveron | Hi #koha |
| 08:34 | andreashm | a yes, at least bugzilla got updated |
| 08:34 | well, I'm off to a meeting now. time to talk Koha to a new co-worker (developer)! | |
| 08:35 | mveron | @wunder Allschwil |
| 08:35 | huginn | mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 18.0°C (10:30 AM CEST on September 04, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
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| 09:06 | Joubu | @later tell tcohen please make jenkins execute ALL tests in t! |
| 09:06 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:06 | Joubu | @later tell t/db_dependent/Circulation/IssuingRules/maxsuspensiondays.t is not! And it fails! |
| 09:06 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:07 | Joubu | oops |
| 09:07 | :) | |
| 09:07 | cait | heh |
| 09:07 | happens to me all the time.... | |
| 09:08 | Joubu | oops again, the test pass... Wrong DB |
| 09:08 | @later tell tcohen ok forget that ;) | |
| 09:08 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:11 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 09:11 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 17.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on September 04, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Rising). |
| 09:11 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 09:11 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 9.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on September 04, 2015). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling). |
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| 09:39 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 09:43 | magnuse | moin drojf |
| 09:43 | drojf | hei magnuse |
| 09:52 | * cait | waves and wanders off for lunch |
| 09:56 | * magnuse | too |
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| 10:51 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 10:51 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 18.0°C (12:20 PM CEST on September 04, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling). |
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| 11:38 | * andreashm | waves |
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| 11:43 | drojf | hi andreashm |
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| 12:08 | cait | hi tcohen :) |
| 12:09 | tcohen | hi there |
| 12:09 | wahanui | privet, tcohen |
| 12:10 | tcohen | hi cait Joubu marcelr |
| 12:10 | cait | tcohen: are you grumpy with us? |
| 12:10 | tcohen | why us that? |
| 12:10 | s/u/i/ | |
| 12:10 | cait | because picking the three of us who were involved with the bug :) |
| 12:11 | tcohen | ah, just a coincidence :-D |
| 12:11 | you and Joubu, lots of stuff to talk about, and marcelr, about the Upload things | |
| 12:12 | not grumpy at all! | |
| 12:12 | Joubu | "the bug" ? |
| 12:13 | tcohen | did anyone had the chance to test the revamped kohadevbox? |
| 12:14 | cait | hm drojf left already - i thought he might have |
| 12:19 | andreashm_ | cait: was it you (your coworker) or was it Catalyst who made interesting things with (private) reports, for system integration? Can't remember what we said. |
| 12:21 | tcohen | andreashm_: public reports maybe? |
| 12:24 | @wunder cordoba, argentina | |
| 12:24 | huginn | tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 11.6°C (9:20 AM ART on September 04, 2015). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising). |
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| 12:30 | xarragon | when adding a new page to the opac.. does the template go under 'prog' or 'bootstrap'.. or are they overlapping? |
| 12:30 | andreashm_ | tcohen: yeah we talked about that too. But cait said that perhaps it was possible with private reports too somehow. |
| 12:31 | if I remember correctly. | |
| 12:31 | tcohen | xarragon: it depends on the theme you are using, and 'prog' has been removed from Koha a while back |
| 12:32 | cait | oh |
| 12:32 | reading back | |
| 12:33 | andreashm_: i can show you something, a sec | |
| 12:33 | andreashm_ | cait: thanks |
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| 12:35 | xarragon | tcohen: yes, I saw a bug ticket from ölate 2014 which generated the same errors |
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| 12:37 | xarragon | tcohen: so when I add a new opac part, I need to add one part/template for each theme then? |
| 12:38 | tcohen | xarragon: is it for in-house use or for commiting it to trunk? |
| 12:38 | if it is the latter, you need to provide for each theme, but hey, we only have bootstrap :-D | |
| 12:42 | drojf | tcohen: had to sleep yesterday, could not test anymore. but i don't feel like catching the flu anymore |
| 12:42 | so i will give it a try later | |
| 12:42 | xarragon | tcohen: latter |
| 12:44 | lari | Joubu, in bug 12426, you suggested a new subroutine instead of directly changing the message status in notices.pl. Would this subroutine basically have the same functionality as my patch, to set the status of message into 'pending' so that it will be processed later? |
| 12:44 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12426 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, larit, Signed Off , Allow resending of emails from the notices tab in the patron account |
| 12:44 | tcohen | drojf: I managed to solve all the small glitches |
| 12:45 | jessie is not working due to that silly missing dependency | |
| 12:45 | i mean silly because that dep is not mandatory! | |
| 12:46 | drojf | how is the plan with the apache 2.4 requirement? is that going to stay? that would mean we have no real support for wheezya anymore? |
| 12:46 | *wheezy | |
| 12:46 | tcohen | drojf: only if you want to the plack integration |
| 12:46 | *to use | |
| 12:47 | drojf | once that is working,everybody will want to use it |
| 12:47 | tcohen | wheezy is fully supported, if you enable plack using koha-plack --enable |
| 12:47 | it won't actually use it right now (the apache config tests for the right version) | |
| 12:48 | drojf | fully supported but placknot working you mean? |
| 12:48 | tcohen | drojf: yes, exactly |
| 12:48 | drojf | i would not call it fully supported then :P |
| 12:48 | tcohen | we will provide instructions for installing the backports |
| 12:48 | drojf | more like "we left the cool stuff out but if you dont want that" :P |
| 12:49 | but there are no backports for 32bit | |
| 12:49 | no idea how the official backports work, if it is expected to see apache 2.4 there | |
| 12:50 | Joubu | lari: I just suggested to move the code you introduced into a C4::Letters subroutine |
| 12:50 | drojf | that may be a liw question |
| 12:50 | Joubu | to make it covered by tests |
| 12:50 | * liw | has been summoned |
| 12:51 | Joubu | lari: especially because _set_message_status shouldn't be called outside of C4::Letters |
| 12:51 | tcohen | liw: do u know if there are apache 2.4 backports for wheezy? |
| 12:51 | drojf | hi liw :) |
| 12:51 | tcohen | (official backports) |
| 12:52 | drojf | more like, do you know if it's likely there will be |
| 12:52 | * xarragon | regrets giving up coffee, almost falling asleep |
| 12:52 | drojf | don't think there are any as of yet |
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| 12:53 | mveron | Hi again #koha |
| 12:53 | liw | tcohen, drojf: I can't see apache2 in wheezy-backports on https://packages.debian.org/ using the package search, or using the rmadision tool from the devscripts Debian package |
| 12:53 | lari | Joubu, ok, thanks for your input, i agree |
| 12:54 | tcohen | drojf: so wheezy is supported, but you will miss some new cool stuff, unless you pick the un-official backports |
| 12:54 | drojf | tcohen: or unless you use 32bit |
| 12:54 | * tcohen | nods |
| 12:54 | drojf | so i would call that unsupported. or vaguely supported |
| 12:54 | lari | Joubu, it will be useful for my other work as well, I'm planning to create cronjob to automatically resend failed sms messages |
| 12:55 | we have been having lots of failed ones past days, it's annoying to manually run a query on them | |
| 12:55 | drojf | liw: but do you think it will get there eventually? how is decided what goes in there? |
| 12:55 | tcohen | drojf: i respectfully disagree, right now it is an experimental feature that needs some user intervention to work |
| 12:55 | maybe we find a better solution before the release | |
| 12:56 | liw | drojf, a) a Debian developer decides a backport would be useful b) they port the version from Debian's testing suite to the target version (wheezy) and c) they upload it to wheezy-backports d) if it is a new package, it needs the backports guardians to approve it e) after that (or if no approval needed) it goes into wheezy-backports |
| 12:56 | drojf | tcohen: right, it is not ready for productive use as far as i know (at the staff side) |
| 12:57 | tcohen | drojf: the only problem is syspref caching, which is disabled in the shipped configuration :-D |
| 12:57 | drojf | tcohen: but i think we all hope it will be soon |
| 12:57 | liw: thanks | |
| 12:58 | tcohen | with this packages integration + a suitable kohadevbox that makes using it trivial, we will get broader testing, and eventually fix the remaining issues |
| 12:58 | liw | drojf, I note that backporting something big like Apache is potentially a lot of work, though, which reduceds its likelihood |
| 12:58 | drojf | liw: yes, i can imagine |
| 12:58 | tcohen | before this, only some sysadmin/dev gurus had the chance to try it |
| 12:58 | liw: thanks | |
| 12:59 | liw | (those who would like to increase the likelihood should offer money to the people able to help make it happen, or encourage themselves or their employees to do it and become Debian developers, which is not at all as scary as rumour has it) |
| 12:59 | tcohen | drojf: BTW: we should just drop support for apache in favour of nginx which wouldn't have caused this integration issues |
| 12:59 | drojf | i think we had full support for squeeze until jessie was released, so it would be nice to not abandon wheezy too fast |
| 13:00 | liw | there is a Debian LTS project provide support to (some of) wheezy for several years |
| 13:01 | drojf | let's say eythian has to do it |
| 13:01 | :P | |
| 13:03 | tcohen | heh |
| 13:03 | eythian++ | |
| 13:03 | drojf | eythian++ |
| 13:03 | look he got increased, now he has to do it | |
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| 13:03 | liw | poor eythian, who innocently participated in a short Debian packaging tutorial on my last day at Catalyst |
| 13:03 | tcohen | drojf: we need people testing this, and solutions should come up |
| 13:04 | * mveron | waves to cait and drojf |
| 13:04 | drojf | his karma that is |
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| 13:04 | drojf | hi mveron |
| 13:05 | mveron | hi drojf :-) |
| 13:05 | cait | drojf: is 32 somethign that is still widely used? |
| 13:05 | serious question, i don't know much about these kind of things :) | |
| 13:05 | hecki | http://spiritualwarfare666.web[…]atans_Library.htm |
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| 13:05 | drojf | cait: i don't know really |
| 13:06 | oh look, irc spam | |
| 13:07 | andreashm_ | haha |
| 13:08 | liw | 32-bit Intel servers are still plentiful; a number of virtual machine hosting places offer 32-bit only, to save a little bit on memory |
| 13:08 | but it's going away | |
| 13:09 | cait | but hey... it is a about a library... |
| 13:09 | as Koha still works perfectly fine without it... for me it's not a hard condition or 'non-full supported' | |
| 13:10 | i hope that made sense | |
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| 13:13 | cait | 3.8 |
| 13:24 | tcohen | i won't put 'Wheezy not fully supported' on the release notes :-D |
| 13:25 | sorry, i intended to write :-P | |
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| 13:38 | magnuse | have fun #koha! |
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| 14:11 | lari | mveron, thanks for noticing! I would had forgotten :) |
| 14:12 | mveron | lari: Welcome :-) |
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| 14:31 | Joubu | lari: much more better thanks! |
| 14:32 | lari: just a note: maybe the routine should return 1 if the msg has been resent, otherwise 0. Don't you think? | |
| 14:32 | even return; | |
| 14:33 | lari: maybe just return _set_msg_status($params); | |
| 14:36 | lari | Yeah in fact I had it returning 1 and 0 a while ago, not really sure what made me change it to message_id :) |
| 14:40 | doesn't _set_message_status return 0 but true on cases where no rows were affected? would it be best to simply return 1 or 0 from ResendMessage | |
| 14:54 | Joubu, I made it return 1 on resent, and 0 otherwise. Thanks for feedback :) | |
| 14:57 | Joubu | perfect! |
| 14:57 | wahanui | rumour has it perfect is the enemy of good |
| 15:02 | tcohen | hi Joubu |
| 15:03 | Joubu | tcohen: hi |
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| 15:09 | Joubu | Have to run, I will be afk for a week! bye #koha |
| 15:10 | ashimema | enjoy your week Joubu |
| 15:15 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:26 | tcohen | bye Joubu ! |
| 15:26 | hi ashimema | |
| 15:27 | ashimema | evening |
| 15:28 | cait | hi ashimema |
| 15:28 | Joubu: don't leave us.... :) | |
| 15:28 | Joubu: have a good week! | |
| 15:43 | drojf | tcohen: what is the idea behind start and enable plack? or, why would i want to start the plack daemon but not enable plack use? |
| 15:44 | tcohen | it won't start if it is not enabled |
| 15:44 | ah. no, it starts | |
| 15:45 | you might want to run it for whatever reason | |
| 15:45 | we do the same with SIP, zebra, etc | |
| 15:45 | drojf | we can disable zebra? |
| 15:45 | tcohen | the init script won't start plack otoh |
| 15:45 | drojf | i wonder what happens then :D |
| 15:46 | tcohen | sip, think of SIP :-D |
| 15:47 | with zebra it is not the same situation: you might disable the instance at all, but want to run zebra for testing/debugging purposes, or to just have the z39.50 server... who knos | |
| 15:47 | knows | |
| 15:49 | so, drojf have you managed to run kohadevbox? | |
| 15:50 | drojf | have not tried yet, this is a regular installation with a master package |
| 15:50 | tcohen | great |
| 15:50 | drojf | so when i start plack, it will work on the default port |
| 15:50 | ? | |
| 15:50 | just switch? | |
| 15:50 | tcohen | plack won't run on a tcp port |
| 15:51 | it is running on a unix socket | |
| 15:51 | and koha-plack --enable <instance> | |
| 15:51 | is uncommenting a line in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/<instance>.conf | |
| 15:51 | on both opac and intranet vhost definitions actually | |
| 15:51 | take a look | |
| 15:53 | drojf | yes, but that means i had VirtualHost *:8080 before and when i enable plack, i continue to use the staff client at VirtualHost *:8080 |
| 15:53 | or not? :) | |
| 15:55 | tcohen | yes, your vhost definition doesn't change at all (in general terms) |
| 15:55 | it just looks for the cgi scripts somewhere else | |
| 15:57 | drojf | yes. i think we used to have starman running on different ports in ancient times, thats why i was asking |
| 15:58 | is there a way to see if you are running plack? maybe an info in the about section would be good for the future | |
| 15:59 | a way to see it from inside koha, i mean | |
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| 16:02 | tcohen | drojf: i'm working on taht |
| 16:02 | on a separate project, though | |
| 16:02 | drojf | cool |
| 16:02 | tcohen++ | |
| 16:04 | tcohen | drojf: so koha-plack --enable/--disable just uncomments/comments two lines in the apache vhost file |
| 16:04 | and --start/--stop/--restart, well, you know | |
| 16:04 | the new init script uses a new function | |
| 16:04 | sorry, the new switches koha-foreach and koha-list have | |
| 16:04 | (--plack/--noplack) | |
| 16:05 | to choose to deal with the instance's plack server or not | |
| 16:06 | if you have enabled bash-completion system wide, koha-plack <tab> should show you the available options | |
| 16:09 | drojf | ok. got to import some data so i have something to use |
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| 16:16 | drojf | can't stage a marc record |
| 16:17 | Failed to submit form: error | |
| 16:17 | with and without plack enabled :D | |
| 16:18 | tcohen | yay! |
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| 16:20 | tcohen | do u have a screenshot? |
| 16:22 | drojf | mom |
| 16:24 | http://abunchofthings.net/koha[…]/stagingerror.png | |
| 16:24 | file upload goes ok, when i click stage for import i get the popup | |
| 16:47 | it works on master (git) though | |
| 16:53 | and now its all broken. that was fun :) | |
| 16:55 | tcohen: after disabling plack, stopping the plack daemon and then manually disabling the relevant lines in the apache conf (because they were still active) i can stage a marc file | |
| 16:57 | turning plack back on i cannot | |
| 16:59 | tried again and koha-plack --disable was enough to make it work, so that must have been my error before | |
| 17:06 | kivilahtio_ | tcohen: You asked me to discuss Koha::Exception with Joubu, and I created a slide show about our discussion. You can take a look here: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13995 |
| 17:06 | huginn | 04Bug 13995: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , Proper Exception handling |
| 17:06 | kivilahtio_ | attachment "Comparing two Exception::Class approaches" |
| 17:09 | anyway that is just my 2 cents, I hope we find more angles to this discussion | |
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| 17:11 | cait | oleonard++ |
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| 17:32 | druthb | cait++ |
| 17:34 | tcohen | ie-- |
| 17:35 | wnickc | pianohacker: oh, it's not zapping the items, z39.50 from the local catalog creates a new record, I just assumed it edited the existing record |
| 17:38 | pianohacker | wnickc: it honestly should... |
| 17:40 | tcohen | kivilahtio_: nice doc, but maybe a middle road should be considered too |
| 17:40 | like grouping exceptions by context | |
| 17:40 | in a file | |
| 17:51 | drojf: i reproduced the problem, file upload doesn't seem to work | |
| 17:52 | drojf | so it took me one minute to find a bug \o/ |
| 17:52 | :) | |
| 17:55 | tcohen | drojf: the whole point is to find them all faster |
| 17:55 | and fix them | |
| 17:55 | heh | |
| 17:56 | i even think there was a bug filled for that | |
| 17:56 | oh, my queue... damn | |
| 17:58 | drojf | if plack out of the box support makes it into 3.22 it might do a raspberry pi image for people to play with |
| 17:59 | so i have a reason to play with that again :D | |
| 18:01 | tcohen | drojf: http://giphy.com/gifs/cpRQzY4VS3V3W |
| 18:01 | drojf | hehe |
| 18:05 | tcohen | i cannot login to the installer with the DB credentials, with plack :-D |
| 18:08 | drojf | i was wondering about that. i only switched to plack after the installer |
| 18:08 | i think i have seen a bug for that | |
| 18:08 | tcohen | it refuses to log in, it just reload the page |
| 18:09 | there is this: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13805 | |
| 18:09 | huginn | 04Bug 13805: normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Installer does not work under Plack |
| 18:09 | drojf | ah just wanted to post that :) |
| 18:09 | tcohen | but the current plack.psgi file does actually include the ->disable_syspref_cache() line |
| 18:09 | drojf | hm |
| 18:10 | gotta go shopping now, later | |
| 18:10 | tcohen | heh |
| 18:10 | ok | |
| 18:11 | magnuse: what shall we do with the ansible-driven kohadevbox? | |
| 18:11 | new branch? | |
| 18:22 | bye everyone, have a nice weekend | |
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| 18:27 | pianohacker | cait: my thought on the 999 was that deleting the 999 entirely is the only way to make sure it's safely re-added; it's not exposed in the basic editor, no? |
| 18:35 | bag | pianohacker: it’s not exposed in the basic editor |
| 18:36 | pianohacker | cait: check C4/Biblio.pm, lines 2947-2958 |
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| 18:56 | cait | people could have used other 999 subfields |
| 18:56 | you would kill their data | |
| 18:59 | pianohacker: ^ | |
| 19:05 | you can't blindly delete fields like you want ;) | |
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| 19:18 | cait | hm |
| 19:24 | nengard | cait i think pianohacker left to go teach a class |
| 19:24 | just fyi | |
| 19:25 | cait | makes sense :) |
| 19:25 | thx | |
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| 20:03 | pianohacker | cait: I'd kill their data, but so will any other MARC modification in Koha :) |
| 20:03 | cait | are we talking about deleting the whole 999 |
| 20:04 | or only about dleeting the subfields with the ids? | |
| 20:04 | pianohacker | cait: the whole 999, but check the code, Rancor's just doing it earlier :) |
| 20:05 | cait | it seems very wrong |
| 20:05 | pianohacker | I agree |
| 20:06 | But what is also very wrong is to have multiple 999s, that is a problem that is currently impossible to fix without a script and which confuses many parts of Koha | |
| 20:06 | we've run into this a few times with our partners | |
| 20:09 | cait | is it not possible to disallow editing 999? |
| 20:09 | or better... the 999 subfields | |
| 20:09 | ? | |
| 20:09 | don't allow to add edit or delete | |
| 20:09 | by keeping them out of the editors | |
| 20:10 | pianohacker | I could mark any other subfields besides 999$c as forbidden |
| 20:10 | having an out-of-band MARC tag makes things a lot more complicated :) | |
| 20:11 | cait | hm not only c |
| 20:11 | biblioitemnumber too? | |
| 20:11 | pianohacker | yeah, $c and $d |
| 20:11 | cait | i am still in shock about the 999 |
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| 20:12 | pianohacker | cait: yeah, it's quirky the way Koha handles it |
| 20:12 | I wish it weren't saved to the record (like how item data is handled) | |
| 20:13 | cait | hm waht about unimarc? i think they store it in 001? |
| 20:14 | pianohacker | cait: yup. The code uses the mappings |
| 20:14 | tcohen | hi |
| 20:15 | cait | hmm |
| 20:15 | pianohacker: i just tested something | |
| 20:15 | i added a 999a | |
| 20:15 | and it stays there when saving and reediting | |
| 20:15 | so koha doesn't kill it | |
| 20:15 | pianohacker | cait: in a separate tag? |
| 20:16 | cait | it might have added another 999 yeah |
| 20:16 | looks like it | |
| 20:16 | wahanui | Can we get some hard data on that? |
| 20:16 | pianohacker | cait: yeah. Koha only kills the first one in the record (it should kill all of them; multiple 999s mess up the rest of Koha) |
| 20:18 | cait | even if they don't have the c and d? |
| 20:18 | pianohacker | yup |
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| 20:20 | cait | messy |
| 20:20 | pianohacker | agreed |
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| 20:36 | tcohen | cait: hi |
| 20:36 | cait | hi tcohen :) |
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| 20:52 | cait | pianohacker: i guess your approach is... valid then? |
| 20:52 | pianohacker | cait: unfortunately |
| 20:53 | cait | the shock hasn't worn off yet heh |
| 20:53 | any plans for the weekend? | |
| 20:53 | pianohacker | cait: celebrating my mom's birthday |
| 20:53 | bbl :) | |
| 20:54 | cait | have a good weekend :) |
| 20:57 | Kchris | have a good weekend, everyone. |
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