IRC log for #koha, 2015-08-31

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00:03 dcook eythian: Slow news day? :p
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00:27 eythian dcook: not at all, did you see that thing about the dog?!?!
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00:27 dcook hehe
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00:54 Francesca http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-st[…]e-researchers-say ---> So true
00:55 eythian yeah right
00:56 dcook hehe
00:57 Francesca hey dcook
00:59 dcook yo
01:00 Francesca whats sup?
01:00 wahanui everything.
01:00 cdickinson wahanui, you are a wise man
01:00 wahanui ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.|a little bit creepy.|right sometimes|a strange duck|a bot...|rumoured to be a sentient bot with sass|<reply> an extremely creepy stalker bot.... you have been warned|a parrot|<reply> wrong|<reply> on fire|<reply> gaining knowledge faster than sustainable|canadian|google...
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01:02 Francesca whah disconnected
01:02 weird
01:03 bad laptop
01:04 eythian http://spectrum.ieee.org/autom[…]-beating-up-robot <-- hellmonsters
01:10 ibeardslee should be locked away until they are 21
01:10 Francesca lol
01:12 cdickinson glad to know we are not the only ones standing for bots rights
01:15 wizzyrea that is really interesting eythian
01:18 Francesca literal francesca
01:18 wahanui Francesca: francesca =is= <reply> Francesca is a sleep deprived zombie|<reply> a defender of bots rights till the end of time|<reply> is waging a war against the video driver that continues to fail on her vm
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01:53 Francesca javascript is way to easy to break
01:54 cdickinson there are all sorts of gotchas with JavaScript
01:55 Francesca evil
01:56 cdickinson http://www.codeproject.com/Art[…]avaScript-Gotchas
01:57 Francesca anyone got any ideas as to why an input id on a form field would cause my css to break massively for that field?
01:58 must be the weirdest ever error I've had on this webpage
01:59 eythian it's not a duplicate id?
01:59 also, you're not missing a " or something that causes everything to mis-parse?
01:59 cdickinson that's what I was just thinking about
01:59 Francesca nope no missing any quotes
01:59 what do you mean by duplicate though
02:00 cdickinson as in, the id you're using for that field might be used by something else on the page
02:00 Francesca it is
02:00 but that applies to other fields as well
02:00 like email
02:00 rangi id are supposed to be unique
02:00 Francesca hmm
02:00 cdickinson in the context of IDs though
02:01 Francesca ahh faik
02:01 fail
02:01 div has the same id
02:01 thanks guys
02:01 * Francesca facepalms
02:02 eythian ids must always be unique, classes can be repeated
02:04 Francesca thanks for the reminder eythian :)
02:05 http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/[…]ces-new-nz-routes ----> According to stuff it raining planes. But aw yeah cheep airfares ftw
02:05 cdickinson "it's raining planes." even with context...
02:06 * wizzyrea lives near the airport, and does not want raining planes
02:07 Francesca that would be a bad thing
02:07 lots of damage done
02:07 but imagine the headlines!
02:08 cdickinson don't need to give Stuff more reasons to generate clickbait
02:08 Francesca they're not in here
02:08 they don't know
02:19 pastebot "Francesca" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "javascript login" (24 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/55
02:19 Francesca cdickinson: take a look at that
02:19 didn't mean to put login
02:19 just the first thing that came to my head
02:19 cdickinson will do
02:19 Francesca anyways
02:19 gotta go
02:19 medical appointments loom
02:20 bye rangi, eythian, wizzyrea
04:48 dcook That moment when everything stops working inexplicably :S
04:54 Oh I wonder..
04:55 Nope..
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04:56 eythian yeah, it won't be that
04:57 dcook Looks like bad data coming out of Koha..
04:57 * dcook is a bit over everything today
04:57 dcook Yep, it's Monday
04:57 eythian yeah, me too
04:58 my eyes are starting to get very tired as I need to replace my contacts, but I don't have any replacements right now.
04:58 dcook Hmm, maybe not bad data per se... but perhaps the OAI-PMH server changed between 3.14 and master?
04:58 That sucks :(
05:00 Now why the hell is the OAI-PMH metadata in 3.14 coming out wrapped in a collection while the OAI-PMH metadata coming out without it..
05:01 eythian erg
05:04 putti Good morning1
05:04 eythian you say that
05:04 but you haven't had a your monday yet.
05:05 -a
05:06 dcook Oh my...
05:06 It looks like the OAI-PMH server might still use the prog templates..
05:08 eythian surely not
05:08 dcook Well, only for outputting OAI DC it seems
05:08 O_o
05:08 eythian I'm sure they've actually been deleted
05:09 dcook Ah wait... I'm just slow
05:09 Worst Monday ever
05:09 It's the intranet "prog"
05:09 Because the opac oai.pl uses the intranet prog...
05:10 eythian of course it does
05:10 dcook Naturally
05:10 No idea why 3.14 is using a collection wrapper and master isn't though..
05:10 I think I'm going to workaround that in a second and stop caring though..
05:13 I am having breakfast at 3pm though.. that's not so bad
05:20 * magnus_afk waves
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05:20 cait hi #koha
05:20 putti magnus_afk, hi
05:20 cait, hello to you too ! :)
05:21 eythian hi
05:21 wahanui what's up, eythian
05:21 eythian think I'm going to leave now cait has shown up ;)
05:21 (also because my eyes are about to fall out if I stare at a computer much longer.)
05:21 magnus_afk hiya putti
05:22 * magnuse is all for eythian keeping his eyes firmly in his head
05:24 pastebot "cdickinson" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "JavaScript fixes for the Koha as a Service page" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/56
05:24 cdickinson @later tell Francesca http://paste.koha-community.org/56
05:24 huginn cdickinson: The operation succeeded.
05:26 dcook I'm glad we have deleted record support with the OAI-PMH server, but it's a bit annoying if you delete and re-add records..
05:26 I suppose it's a record though
05:26 If you added it and deleted it, you need to show you deleted it
05:28 cait bye eythian
05:30 magnuse dcook: if a collection wrapper has gone missing it sounds like a bug?
05:30 dcook Well, I don't know why there would be a collection wrapper
05:31 So it's removal could be the fixing of a bug
05:31 Other OAI-PMH servers I've seen don't use the collection wrapper
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05:35 cait reminder - gbsd on thursday!
05:36 @later tell eythian  do you want to add the elastic search bugs to the gbsd page?
05:36 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
06:09 pastebot "putti" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Check in Error 500" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/57
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06:11 magnuse dcook: ah yeah, might be on purpose, then
06:12 * dcook crosses his fingers
06:12 dcook It shouldn't really matter to much, as I'm prying the record out on its own
06:14 Ahh, but it does cause me problems..
06:14 As I expect "record" to have a MARC namespace
06:14 But collection has it..
06:15 Or..
06:15 Actually that shouldn't cause me any grief..
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06:20 * dcook grumbles
06:22 putti Anybody got this error after todays git pull: The format you asked for ('') is unrecognized ?
06:24 Oh, it was just old cookies
06:24 or not..
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06:26 reiveune hello
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06:38 magnuse ncip! ncip! ncip!
06:42 dcook I really dislike that thing where you seem to fix something and then it doesn't work again 5 minutes later when you try the exact same thing again..
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06:47 * dcook twitches
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06:53 alex_a bonjour
06:55 * dcook twitches again
06:55 dcook I swear I'm doing the same thing twice in a row and getting different results...
06:55 With 5 minutes until the end of the day
06:55 * dcook sighs
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07:00 magnuse dcook: race condition?
07:00 dcook Some sort of namespace issue I think
07:00 And me being crazy
07:08 Yeah, it's me being crazy
07:09 And lots of unnamed namespaces...
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07:09 fridolin hie
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07:27 gaetan_B hello
07:38 magnuse bonjour le france!
07:38 @wunder boo
07:38 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on August 31, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
07:38 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:38 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille / Marignane, France is 26.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on August 31, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
07:38 magnuse heh
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07:59 cait good morning #koha
07:59 magnuse kia ora cait
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08:05 magnuse kia ora Viktor
08:06 * cait waves at Viktor
08:06 Viktor Kia ora magnuse
08:06 * Viktor waves at cait
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08:56 Francesca evening
08:56 cait hi Francesca :)
08:56 hi ashimema :)
08:56 Francesca hey cait :)
08:56 cdickinson Francesca: the calm before the storm
08:57 Francesca oh w
08:57 what happened
08:57 I got your tell later
08:57 what else went wrong?
08:58 @wunder wlg
08:58 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (8:00 PM NZST on August 31, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
08:59 cdickinson nothing, yet
08:59 well, inside the project anyway
08:59 Francesca so why calm before the storm?
08:59 cdickinson going to get Koha as a Service working again tonight
09:00 Francesca you mean the webpage?
09:00 thats working
09:00 I just need to implement changes and push them
09:00 cdickinson oh, no, I was talking about the actual Koha instances and stuff
09:00 Francesca ok
09:00 cdickinson almost finished rewriting what I was rewriting
09:01 Francesca hahahahahaha
09:01 oh dear
09:01 cdickinson just gotta put it through the ringer, back and forth bugfixing, y'know
09:01 Francesca heh
09:02 cdickinson it gets worse though
09:02 Francesca oh?
09:02 cdickinson I get the privilege of driving into town before 6am tomorrow morning to pick up my sister from the intercity bus platform
09:02 joy of joys
09:02 Francesca fun
09:02 enjoy yourself
09:03 cdickinson the only part I will enjoy is the energy drink that I will inevitably have
09:03 Francesca lol
09:04 cdickinson the rest of tomorrow is going to be terrible
09:05 Francesca fun fun
09:07 cdickinson wahanui: what is fun
09:07 wahanui i think fun is over, i'm switching back to drojf's usual tl:dr behaviour
09:07 Francesca awww
09:07 sad
09:07 wahanui: bad bot
09:07 wahanui :(
09:09 cdickinson drojf is not here to comment
09:09 Francesca lol
09:09 right I should go to bed
09:10 night #koha
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09:30 mveron Hi #koha
09:36 magnuse hiya mveron
09:36 mveron hi magnuse :-)
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10:40 drojf hi #koha
10:42 @wunder berlin, germany
10:42 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 31.0°C (12:20 PM CEST on August 31, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
11:08 cait khall: around?
11:08 khall what's up?
11:08 cait drojf: can I recruit you for a tutorial on gbsd?
11:08 and you too khall :)
11:09 khall when and how?
11:09 cait this wednesday
11:09 gbsd?
11:09 wahanui gbsd is Global Bug Squashing Day - http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day
11:09 cait forget gbsd
11:09 wahanui cait: I forgot gbsd
11:09 cait i had send an email to the list a while ago ;)
11:10 GBSD is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day
11:10 gbsd?
11:10 wahanui hmmm... gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day
11:11 cait you all said at our initial irc meeting that you'd participate... so... no i am coming after you :)
11:12 khall cait: I can do one in the morning here, any time in the morning until 11 am EST ( start time of meetings ).
11:13 drojf cait: sorry, not this time. several fights with bureaucracy this week and hopefully meeting a new library. no time to prepare anything. also i thought its on thursday?
11:13 cait oh
11:13 itis
11:13 khall cait: what are you looking for a tutorial of? Testing and signing off?
11:13 cait thursday - thx drojf
11:13 drojf: if you could manage to be around for a bit answering questions that would already help
11:13 khall: someone asked on help 'how to sign off'
11:14 khall yes, that's what I thought
11:14 cait maybe we could have a 'learn how to sign off' one?
11:14 jajm: around?
11:15 khall cait: should this be for people who have a Koha test system ready? Or I could do it via the sandboxes?
11:15 cait they didn't leave a note - maybe ask if you'd be willing to?
11:16 drojf cait: i plan to be there and sign off a little, but may have a meeting somewhen in between
11:16 cait I send a reminder this morning, we could send a follow up to this
11:19 pastebot "cdickinson" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "index.php" (95 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/58
11:20 Francesca thanks
11:21 kivilahtio Joubu: Bug 14698 - AtomicUpdater - Keeps track of which updates have been applied to a database
11:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14698 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , AtomicUpdater - Keeps track of which updates have been applied to a database
11:21 kivilahtio Joubu: we spoke about the atomicupdate improvement to keep track of which updates have been deployed
11:22 Joubu: I finally managed to wrap it and document a bit :)
11:22 Joubu: I am rewriting our features now to atomicupdate, and hopefully soon I get some real-life experience on using that feature
11:23 Joubu: There is also a nice LibreOffice Impress presentation which shows the workflow the AtomicUpdater supports
11:23 Joubu: I hope this is something which can help BibLibre to manage their workflows
11:28 jajm cait, hi :)
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11:30 cait hi jajm :) are you in charge of the biblibre sandboxes now?
11:31 if yes, was wondering if you'd be around on thursday
11:31 and which ones are currently not available maybe, because locked for testing or so
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11:31 jajm cait, not really, but i'll be around with alex_a_ on thursday ;)
11:34 cait, i don't have the complete lists of locked sandboxes but they display a message when they are (example: http://pro.test17.biblibre.com[…]/koha/sandbox.pl)
11:36 cait jajm: ok thx - should we add the taxes patches to the testing list?
11:36 gbsd?
11:36 wahanui gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day
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11:43 jajm cait, what is this list for ?
11:44 cait giving ideas on what to test
11:44 or waht to work on
11:46 jajm so yes, it can't harm to add this bug :)
11:47 cait coudl you do it?
11:50 jajm of course
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11:53 jajm ... if i remember my wiki username :)
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12:02 jajm cait, the "tax rewrite" patches are already signed off, should i add them to the gbsd list anyway ?
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12:12 magnuse hiya Arve_S
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12:20 drojf if i use a slash in the authorized value code (not category), will it explode?
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12:30 cait drojf: i wouldn't do it :)
12:32 drojf that was my feeling too ;)
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12:45 tcohen morning #koha!
12:46 alex_a_ Does anyone kown why Plack::Middleware::ReverseProxy is a required dependency now ?
12:46 cait morning tcohen
12:46 alex_a_ hello tcohen
12:46 tcohen @later tell eythian i'm talking to fredericd about this, thanks for taking care
12:46 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
12:46 tcohen hi alex_a_
12:46 * druthb waves to cait and tcohen and drojf
12:46 tcohen hey druthb
12:47 how are u doing?
12:47 druthb decent.  briskly busy, but doing okay.
12:48 tcohen hi kivilahtio
12:48 we missed you around :-D
12:48 kivilahtio tcohen: yeah I heard
12:48 tcohen: too bad I was renovating our kitchen. From floor to ceiling
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12:49 kivilahtio need to go continue in a bit
12:50 tcohen enjoy :-D
12:51 kivilahtio: would you coordinate with Jonathan to find a middle road for organizing exception definitions?
12:51 kivilahtio tcohen: certainly!
12:51 wahanui certainly is probably confusing.. thanks for bringing ashimema's attention to it.
12:52 ashimema huh?
12:53 kivilahtio haha
12:54 tcohen: ashimema: I made a presentation for you! http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ment.cgi?id=42113
12:57 putti Can someone take a look at the bug 14755, please.
12:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14755 critical, P3, ---, j.kylmala, NEW , Checking in gives error 500
13:00 tcohen putti: i don't see the error in master
13:00 putti I knew it :D
13:01 tcohen i'll try with a real barcode :-P
13:01 putti But something triggered the error after the upgrade..
13:02 mveron putti: I can not reproduce 14755
13:03 putti Does the log file I attached give any clue why it might have caused
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13:13 putti Ok. Now I was able to reproduce it.
13:13 First the error happens only with records that I imported with the batch import tool
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13:16 mveron putti: Can you edit the item(s)? - Do they have a valid item type?
13:17 putti mveron, wait, just deleted again my database... Might take a while to import those files again
13:17 *items
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13:19 putti Now I get this error again, after I login: The format you asked for ('') is unrecognized.
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13:25 mveron putti: This message comes from C4/Dates.pm sub  _recognize_format($)
13:26 putti at /home/putti/kohaclone/C4/NewsChannels.pm line 212.
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13:26 putti The login worked first, but then I deleted the whole database and I got this error.
13:30 druthb @wunder konstanz
13:30 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 32.0°C (3:00 PM CEST on August 31, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
13:30 druthb @wunder 77098
13:30 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Montrose (Mandell Place), Houston, Texas is 24.8°C (8:29 AM CDT on August 31, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
13:35 New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11190: (QA followup) for tests on jenkins <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]08a1dacf849baffed>
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13:36 Raj HI
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13:38 pastebot "putti" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "sysprefs.sql ERROR 1064 (42000" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/59
13:38 tcohen hi cait
13:40 putti mveron, it is missing a comma
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13:47 putti It is commit d1c41cda5bd4e1c36fd785015d08d21f6398430a which caused (at least partly) but previously it has been in the same way.. so that's weird. Maybe some other commit made koha more nitpicky about the syntax.
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13:48 putti tcohen, ^
13:51 tcohen putti: ah! how did the QA people miss that?
13:52 putti I dunno :D
13:53 tcohen, do you have also any idea of why imported items cannot be checked in anymore?
13:54 tcohen putti: i don't, probably we are letting you inject incomplete item data
13:54 putti tcohen, or was there some changes to importing/checking in in the last few days
13:54 tcohen putti: I don't think so
13:54 putti tcohen, well that is true, I'm not sure if I did a bug report already about some other data which can be imported and then everything goes wrong.
13:56 tcohen there should at least be a warning
13:56 putti yeah
13:59 tcohen putti: that happens a lot in Koha. It happens a lot less than before (there are some obsessive people here trying to reach perfection regarding user experience) and bugs + patches are really welcome. Solutions are generally trivial, but we need people spotting the problems to fill the bugs
14:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13697: (QA followup) fix typo in sysprefs.sql <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8d63b04189ff5d0e8>
14:11 putti tcohen, alright. btw that comma fix now fixed also the check in functionality! :)
14:12 tcohen :-P
14:13 putti tcohen, oh no, it didn't :/
14:13 I think the problem was fixed by "editing" the record without editing it and the saving it
14:13 tcohen yeah, you are probably missing mandatory data
14:14 please, try to reproduce and insert
14:14 use Data::Printer; warn p($item_object) or something like that on the controller script
14:14 for each thing you suspect is responsible
14:15 i.e. debug it and come back
14:15 maybe we can discuss a proper solution
14:15 putti tcohen, yup!
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14:55 putti has someone analyzed why and in which parts manage-marc-import.pl takes much resources when importing records?
15:01 reiveune bye
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15:03 xeugene Hello Guys
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15:11 fridolin see u
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15:27 tcohen jajm: good job, where is the code being put?
15:27 (during install)
15:28 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11584: (QA followup) add missing newline at end of YAML file <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]bfe952af34051d9df>
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16:13 gaetan_B bye
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17:38 Malumfashee please anyone online to help
17:39 hello!
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21:33 tsk i need to know in acq global system preferences in option AcqItemSetSubfieldsWhenReceiptIsCancelled & AcqItemSetSubfieldsWhenReceived what option one should enter there
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22:24 eythian hi
22:30 bag hey eythian
22:30 wahanui rumour has it eythian is an expert bot trainer
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23:23 wizzyrea hi
23:26 * dcook waves
23:26 eythian wahanui: weasel is actually the "least weasel"
23:26 wahanui OK, eythian.
23:26 eythian seriously, look it up
23:26 dcook O_o
23:26 pianohacker dcook: by the way, 13-week-belated congratulations!
23:27 dcook Oh, thanks :)
23:27 Much appreciated pianohacker
23:40 * Francesca waves
23:51 pianohacker @seen Joubu
23:51 huginn pianohacker: Joubu was last seen in #koha 3 days, 7 hours, 44 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <Joubu> ;)
23:59 Francesca joined #koha

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