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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:04 | eythian | http://elasticsearch.koha.cata[…]/files/es-search/ <-- I do like NYTProf's profiling |
| 00:06 | unfortunately, it does point out that we need a lot of optimisation in Koha::Database somehow. | |
| 00:08 | dcook | Really need to make a feature where someone can't delete their own account... |
| 00:08 | Or has that been done already? I feel like it might have been... | |
| 00:08 | Or is that on my to do list... | |
| 00:09 | * eythian | doesn't know |
| 00:09 | * dcook | shrugs |
| 00:09 | dcook | Gah... |
| 00:10 | I have to re-install these dual monitor drivers all the time, and they're blinking at rather inconvenient times during this process... | |
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| 00:53 | mtj | about rangi? |
| 00:53 | hey #koha | |
| 00:54 | rangi | yep |
| 00:54 | whats up? | |
| 00:56 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 00:57 | mtj | any chance you would add a 'rel_3_18_candidate' keyword to Koha bugzilla? |
| 00:58 | sorry.. rel_3_20_candidate | |
| 00:58 | rangi | you can, but ill pay no attention to it |
| 00:59 | added | |
| 01:01 | (by no attention, means i read each bug report, and check the patches and then decide if I will backport it for 3.20.x, so it having a keyword makes it no more or no less likely to get into a 3.20.x release) | |
| 01:01 | if that makes sense | |
| 01:02 | mtj | makes perfect sense |
| 01:04 | serious question, how can i get BZ to tell me what bugs have been pulled to 3.20.x branch ? | |
| 01:05 | its seems not possible? | |
| 01:05 | rangi | youre better off seeing what patches are in the git log |
| 01:05 | eythian | shouldn't you ask git? |
| 01:05 | rangi | because there will be changes |
| 01:06 | git log --since 2015-06-22 | |
| 01:07 | git log --oneline --since 2015-06-22 | |
| 01:07 | etc | |
| 01:07 | thats how i do it anyway .. switching the dates to make sense of course | |
| 01:08 | however you can get bz to tell you too | |
| 01:09 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]r&bug_status=Push | |
| 01:09 | ed%20to%20Stable&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&bug_status=BLOCKED&f1=longdesc&list_id=136295&o1=allwords&query_format=advanced&v1=pushed%20to%203.20.x | |
| 01:09 | basically search for the comment 'pushed to 3.20.x' | |
| 01:09 | mtj | ^ thats the method i've settled on, but i often want more BZ filtering options |
| 01:09 | rangi | i add it to every bug i push |
| 01:09 | however you might miss stuff | |
| 01:09 | if you dont watch the git log | |
| 01:10 | because there will be additional thigns pushed, that arent on a bug | |
| 01:11 | or that are slightly different to the patch on the bug, as they have had a merge conflict fixed etc | |
| 01:11 | so you have to look in both places | |
| 01:18 | mtj | rangi: thanks for the search url, its a big improvement |
| 01:18 | basically does what i need :) | |
| 01:23 | dcook | Interesting... just opened IE11 to find the developer tools disabled... |
| 01:24 | Oh... that's why | |
| 01:24 | Apparently you need to be on a webpage for them to work... that makes a certain amount of sense.. | |
| 01:25 | mtj | hey dcook :) |
| 01:25 | dcook | yo mtj :) |
| 01:28 | mtj | rangi: my method before was to use 'git log --oneline' - not your BZ search example :) |
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| 01:37 | eythian | mtj: lg = log --color --graph --pretty=format:'%Cred%h%Creset -%C(yellow)%d%Creset %s %Cgreen(%cr)%C(bold blue)<%an>%Creset' --abbrev-commit |
| 01:39 | wizzyrea | ^ this is what I use it's awesome |
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| 01:45 | wizzyrea | I get mad every time I use the item search and I press "back" and it takes me to advanced search. |
| 01:45 | * dcook | generally just spends his days mad now :p |
| 01:45 | eythian | "item search"? |
| 01:45 | wizzyrea | cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/itemsearch.pl |
| 01:46 | ...it hadn't occurred to me that you might like to know about that for your ES stuff... | |
| 01:46 | though afaict it's basically just a glorified report interface | |
| 01:48 | eythian | well, it works on my ES demo, so I've either changed it, or (more likely) it's doing SQL rather than search. |
| 01:49 | * dcook | imagines it just uses SQL |
| 01:49 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 01:49 | dcook | Don't think I've seen the itemsearch before... |
| 01:49 | mtj | ta for the alias eythian :) |
| 01:49 | wizzyrea | pretty sure it is, I poked at it a while back during one of the many times it's been broken |
| 01:49 | dcook | hehe |
| 01:49 | wizzyrea | (mind you, I *love* the idea of it. It is why I get so mad.) |
| 01:50 | eythian | how do you even get to it? |
| 01:50 | wizzyrea | from "Search" in the staff client |
| 01:51 | it's a teensy link at the top of the advanced search page. | |
| 01:51 | eythian | ah |
| 01:51 | wizzyrea | so many things that need improving there. I may make it a project. |
| 01:51 | eythian | I've never seen that before |
| 01:51 | or at least, noticed it | |
| 01:51 | wizzyrea | it's new in... 3.18? |
| 01:52 | eythian | ah, and it's all javascripty but not handling history right |
| 01:52 | wizzyrea | *nod* |
| 01:53 | eythian | actually, it's broken for me. The request returns data, but never stops saying "Processing" |
| 01:53 | oh well, not my problem right now. | |
| 01:53 | wizzyrea | ah yeah |
| 01:53 | you'll be missing the patch that fixes that. | |
| 01:54 | * dcook | feels like that could be said about life in general |
| 01:54 | wizzyrea | what, that you're missing the patch that fixes that? |
| 01:54 | dcook | "Down in the dumps, son? Ah, you're just missing the patch that fixes that." |
| 01:54 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 01:54 | hehehe | |
| 01:54 | dcook | :) |
| 01:56 | wizzyrea | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14450 < where the item search got fixed |
| 01:56 | huginn` | 04Bug 14450: major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Stricter template name rules cause itemsearch to stop working |
| 01:57 | wizzyrea | (again.) |
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| 01:57 | eythian | I'm on a few month old master, must have been broken for a while |
| 01:58 | wizzyrea | to be fair, it's been broken several times. |
| 01:58 | the most recent was a side effect of the security updates. | |
| 02:00 | there have been other breakages. | |
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| 02:02 | aleisha | what is the difference between errors 400 and 402? |
| 02:02 | and errors 401 and 403? | |
| 02:02 | wizzyrea | http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rf[…]fc2616-sec10.html |
| 02:03 | aleisha | oh i see |
| 02:03 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 02:03 | aleisha | the OPAC messages are kind of off then |
| 02:05 | eythian | 401 will cause the browser to ask for a password |
| 02:10 | aleisha | what does 402 mean? 'payment required'? |
| 02:10 | eythian | it's pretty much never used |
| 02:11 | afaik | |
| 02:11 | aleisha | it just has the same error message as 400 (broken link) but on wizzyrea's link it says it means 'This code is reserved for future use." |
| 02:12 | wizzyrea | what's the context? |
| 02:12 | wahanui | the context is everything? |
| 02:12 | wizzyrea | besides that. |
| 02:14 | aleisha | the error messages are all weird, have bad english or don't really make sense |
| 02:14 | i want to fix them but i don't understand some of them like why half of them have the same error message | |
| 02:15 | eythian | in most cases, they've probably never been seen by humans |
| 02:16 | for example, 402 would never be generated. | |
| 02:16 | dcook | Yeah, I think it's just something that Apache is told to use in the event that it is appropriate? |
| 02:16 | aleisha | yeah i guess |
| 02:16 | but u kno | |
| 02:16 | nice for them to make sense and stuff | |
| 02:16 | dcook | ^ |
| 02:16 | aleisha++ | |
| 02:18 | * Francesca | comes online, takes a look, gets confused and goes away again |
| 02:19 | Francesca | I really should do something productive before I go out |
| 02:19 | dcook | You could... |
| 02:20 | Take care of my emails so I can do something else? :D | |
| 02:20 | ibeardslee | <ctrl><a> <shift><del> |
| 02:20 | dcook | ibeardslee: I like this idea |
| 02:21 | I'm thinking unplugging the phone is also an idea... | |
| 02:23 | Francesca | hahaha |
| 02:23 | I'm currently trying to keep my injured cat inside the house | |
| 02:23 | which he hates | |
| 02:25 | dcook | Oh cats |
| 02:26 | * dcook | is so not a pet person... despite the two cats he has with his wife... and all the cat photos he posts on social media |
| 02:26 | dcook | To be fair, they were there when I got there, so... |
| 02:32 | * Francesca | is most defiantly a cat person |
| 02:40 | Francesca | right gotta bounce |
| 02:40 | see ya later dcook, #koha | |
| 02:40 | dcook | laters Francesca |
| 02:41 | You have to give it to librarians... if there's an inconsistency somewhere, they're going to find it | |
| 02:41 | Well... | |
| 02:41 | That's a complicated claim to make... | |
| 02:41 | rangi | tbh they probably asked for it in the first place too :P |
| 02:41 | dcook | Hehe |
| 02:42 | Should rename #koha to #sadtruths | |
| 02:42 | Actually, no. That's why I stopped studying polisci | |
| 02:43 | * dcook | puts his head down and goes back to coding |
| 02:44 | dcook | Ugh... duplicating lines of code just to add target="_blank" based on OPACURLOpenInNewWindow... |
| 02:46 | Ah well | |
| 02:51 | wizzyrea | feel comforted that I took out a bunch of duplicate stuff this morning? |
| 02:51 | dcook | :D |
| 02:52 | eythian | now dcook is putting it all back |
| 02:52 | dcook | Yep :) |
| 02:55 | wizzyrea | YOU BETTER NOT BE. |
| 02:58 | dcook | It's only like... 8 lines? |
| 02:59 | * dcook | would gladly change it is there were a better alternative |
| 02:59 | dcook | So much easier in the XSLT... |
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| 03:14 | dcook | bug 14575 |
| 03:14 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14575 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , OPACURLOpenInNewWindow should apply to item-level urls too |
| 03:15 | dcook | Huh... it was totally 8 lines. That was a wild guess before. |
| 03:18 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 03:20 | pianohacker | dcook! |
| 03:20 | dcook | pianohacker! |
| 03:20 | wahanui | I HATE ALMOST EVERYTHING |
| 03:20 | wizzyrea | ! |
| 03:20 | pianohacker | dcook: How are ya? |
| 03:20 | * dcook | was wondering if he was really here or if had just been auto-logged on |
| 03:21 | dcook | Mmm hungry. I managed to work through my lunch break :S |
| 03:21 | How about you? | |
| 03:21 | pianohacker | I barely see you since I work vaguely normal hours now |
| 03:21 | I'm great, busy with bywater | |
| 03:24 | dcook | hehe |
| 03:24 | Yeah, I've been trying to be better with the normal hours | |
| 03:24 | Also crazy busy at prosentient | |
| 03:24 | * dcook | might be going crazy |
| 03:24 | dcook | er |
| 03:24 | crazier? more crazy? | |
| 03:25 | pianohacker | "crazy" around a bunch of people that are the center of the venn-diagram of programmers and librarians is always a bit relative |
| 03:26 | wizzyrea | @quote add Pianohacker: "crazy" around a bunch of people that are the center of the venn-diagram of programmers and librarians is always a bit relative. |
| 03:26 | huginn` | wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 03:26 | wizzyrea | hrmph. |
| 03:26 | @quote add Pianohacker: "crazy" around a bunch of people that are the center of the venn-diagram of programmers and librarians is always a bit relative. | |
| 03:26 | huginn` | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #315 added. |
| 03:26 | wizzyrea | yuss. |
| 03:27 | pianohacker | @quote random |
| 03:27 | huginn` | pianohacker: Quote #128: "When TDF was founded, the group's leadership invited Oracle to participate in the hope that the database giant would be willing to hand over the OOo trademark and allow the vendor-neutral governance body to take over stewardship of the project" (added by wizzyrea at 07:11 PM, April 18, 2011) |
| 03:27 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 03:27 | huginn` | wizzyrea: Quote #18: "<pianohacker> nitpicking synergy FTW" (added by gmcharlt at 05:35 PM, July 24, 2009) |
| 03:27 | pianohacker | was that before or after the nz trademark nonsense? |
| 03:27 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 03:27 | pianohacker | (the first one) |
| 03:27 | @quote random | |
| 03:27 | huginn` | pianohacker: Quote #91: "<chris> Free as in kittens is a silly phrase that should die, if FOSS is free as in kittens, proprietary software is free as in an inbred purebreed cat. That costs thousands of dollars in vet bills every year and is slightly retarded." (added by wizzyrea at 08:42 PM, August 19, 2010) |
| 03:28 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn`. |
| 03:28 | wizzyrea | it went on for ages, coulda been anytime |
| 03:28 | @quote random | |
| 03:28 | huginn` | wizzyrea: Quote #19: "<chris> i just want to yell things like don't kick the ball, pass it and Feed the backs" (added by jdavidb at 12:11 PM, July 27, 2009) |
| 03:28 | dcook | hehe |
| 03:28 | pianohacker | fair |
| 03:28 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 03:28 | huginn` | wizzyrea: Quote #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon is to erm, use the belly of the hog (I think)" (added by chris at 09:37 PM, July 17, 2009) |
| 03:28 | * wizzyrea | has discovered new and novel ways to use the belly of the hog since moving away from the US. |
| 03:28 | dcook | Now I'm getting hungrier... |
| 03:29 | pianohacker | *blink* wow, I think I remember that conversation! |
| 03:29 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 03:29 | @quote random | |
| 03:29 | huginn` | wizzyrea: Quote #283: "<ashimema> ... looks like 'rtfm' only works if you read it right. :P" (added by mtompset at 01:29 AM, November 01, 2013) |
| 03:29 | wizzyrea | kekeke |
| 03:30 | pianohacker | knew it! http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]09-07-18#i_275707 |
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| 03:40 | dcook | Ok, putting food on.. |
| 03:41 | eythian | in. |
| 03:41 | you put food in | |
| 03:41 | dcook | In what? |
| 03:41 | I guess it's going to be in the sandwich press... | |
| 03:41 | eythian | yourself, traditionally |
| 03:41 | dcook | But it could also be on the sandwich press... |
| 03:41 | I do like putting food in me | |
| 03:42 | It's pretty great | |
| 03:42 | aleisha | sometimes you say 'putting the dinner on' as in you're about to cook it |
| 03:42 | * dcook | was wondering if that was just a North American expression |
| 03:42 | eythian | this is not a place for logic and reasonable conversation, aleisha |
| 03:42 | ibeardslee | putting it on the stove |
| 03:43 | aleisha | heh |
| 03:43 | pianohacker | eythian: so, to follow up on your @later, what _does_ smart ass mean in en-trad? |
| 03:43 | eythian | I guess an intelligent donkey |
| 03:43 | dcook | hehe |
| 03:46 | wizzyrea | aleisha++ |
| 03:59 | aleisha | what determines the messages in the error logs? like 'file does not exist' or 'script not found' |
| 04:00 | rangi | usually a warn in the script/module |
| 04:00 | dcook | Sometimes I think it's Perl itself? |
| 04:00 | rangi | sometimes a die, or a carp |
| 04:00 | yep | |
| 04:00 | dcook | "Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at" |
| 04:00 | aleisha | yeah that's what i thought |
| 04:00 | but is this a warn written by perl? - script not found or unable to stat: | |
| 04:01 | because i feel like stat is supposed to say start | |
| 04:01 | dcook | Nah, that sounds like stat |
| 04:01 | Like the system command | |
| 04:01 | "stat filename" | |
| 04:01 | At least, that's what I've always figured... | |
| 04:01 | aleisha | ohhhhh okay |
| 04:02 | cool thanks good to know! | |
| 04:02 | eythian | specifically, stat(2) |
| 04:02 | which the command is named after | |
| 04:02 | AmitG | heya eythian |
| 04:02 | eythian | hi |
| 04:06 | pianohacker | good night all |
| 04:14 | rangi | mtj: have you seen bug 14494 ? |
| 04:14 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14494 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Terribly slow checkout caused by DateTime->new in far future |
| 04:14 | mtj | yep - ive read it rangi |
| 04:18 | im aware it relates to my bug 14522 patch | |
| 04:18 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14522 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Needs Signoff , Use Koha::Cache for accessing single_holidays() |
| 04:19 | rangi | sweet |
| 04:19 | i think its too close to my release tomorrow to push it for 3.20.2 | |
| 04:19 | but ill probably put it in 3.20.3 | |
| 04:19 | when ive got more time to test it thoroughly | |
| 04:54 | dcook | ... "lose" is a really strange word |
| 04:54 | mtj | rangi: i was tempted to change the 'time_zone' on my patch too... but i didnt want to risk additional bugs |
| 04:55 | dcook | mtj: Change the "time_zone"? |
| 04:55 | wahanui | dcook: that doesn't look right |
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| 04:55 | dcook | Oh my... |
| 04:55 | wahanui didn't like the sound of that... | |
| 04:55 | wahanui | dcook: i'm not following you... |
| 04:56 | mtj | so i decided to leave it, as is... and make a followup patch, if needed |
| 04:57 | eythian | wahanui has issues with change that I've never bothered to figure out. |
| 04:57 | wahanui | eythian: sorry... |
| 04:57 | dcook | hehe |
| 05:05 | mtj | dcook: take a look at the patch re: TZ ^ |
| 05:05 | hey eythian, did you catch this -> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2[…]_ardupilot_linux/ | |
| 05:06 | eythian | I can't say I had |
| 05:06 | neat though | |
| 05:06 | dcook | The hell... |
| 05:06 | When did we get a C4::Context->tz()? | |
| 05:07 | eythian | outside is darkling quickly tonight. |
| 05:07 | dcook | Boo. Winter should get out... no one likes it anyways. |
| 05:07 | mtj: As far as I know, we don't use timezone anymore, so it shouldn't matter | |
| 05:08 | * eythian | doesn't want to consider timezones, it'd make everything very complicated. |
| 05:08 | dcook | It really really would |
| 05:08 | * dcook | has been doing a lot with timezones lately |
| 05:08 | dcook | Not with Koha of course |
| 05:08 | But it's super fun | |
| 05:08 | * dcook | twitches |
| 05:09 | eythian | heh |
| 05:09 | yeah | |
| 05:09 | I added timezone support to one of our internal tools here a while back | |
| 05:09 | it was quite the project. | |
| 05:09 | dcook | I bet |
| 05:09 | I think I might have to do some more timezone stuff this week.. | |
| 05:10 | Although I think it'll mostly be re-writing an epic script and trying not to forget to take timezones into account.. | |
| 05:12 | * dcook | has almost gotten through his inbox... and it's only almost the end of the day O_O |
| 05:14 | dcook | hey eythian, are you going to Anathema in Sydney in October? |
| 05:15 | * dcook | was thinking of coming down to Hobart for OSDC |
| 05:15 | eythian | I haven't booked it yet, but it's my intention |
| 05:15 | it slots in nicely after OSDC | |
| 05:15 | dcook | Cool |
| 05:15 | Do you know what time OSDC is likely to end on the 29th? | |
| 05:15 | eythian | I should probably get on to booking that. |
| 05:16 | it's up to you | |
| 05:16 | it doesn't tend to have a closing event or anything | |
| 05:16 | dcook | Mmmm k |
| 05:16 | eythian | so, people are usually drifting off from mid afternoon depending on their flight requirements. |
| 05:17 | dcook | Ah, the flights are better than my wife was saying.. |
| 05:17 | She was saying the latest flight out on the 29th was at 4, but it looks like it's at 6pm? | |
| 05:18 | eythian | ah right |
| 05:18 | I haven't looked yet | |
| 05:18 | dcook | I haven't been to a conference since... Kohacon13 I think, so about time I started getting out there... |
| 05:18 | eythian | should get onto that. |
| 05:18 | * dcook | didn't end up sending in a talk |
| 05:19 | dcook | Didn't have anything to say this year |
| 05:19 | eythian | slacker :) |
| 05:19 | dcook | hehe |
| 05:19 | My wife has been sick, studying part-time, and working full-time | |
| 05:19 | Someone has to pick up the slack around the house :p | |
| 05:19 | * dcook | says having slept in a lot this weekend |
| 05:19 | dcook | Also lots of Netflix... so much Netflix |
| 05:20 | eythian | yeah, I've been going through a good bit of that. |
| 05:20 | currently set to Canada for X-Files | |
| 05:21 | dcook | Oooh. I always meant to watch all the X-Files |
| 05:21 | I think I've only seen about two episodes O_O | |
| 05:21 | eythian | also, Canada netflix has a better range in general than US netflix. |
| 05:21 | heh | |
| 05:21 | dcook | Waaa? |
| 05:21 | eythian | it's a good one to start from the beginning for |
| 05:21 | dcook | Don't say that to any Canadians |
| 05:21 | They're swear up and down that Canadian netflix is inferior to US netflix | |
| 05:21 | They'll* | |
| 05:21 | I'm quite liking Australian netflix so far | |
| 05:22 | eythian | I ran through the top 250 IMDB movie list, and Canada had more than the US from taking a sample. |
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| 05:22 | eythian | not very scientific though |
| 05:22 | south america has a good amount too, but forces spanish subs on, and while I can turn them off if there's anything not in English I have to puzzle it out myself. | |
| 05:24 | I have to run, later | |
| 05:24 | * eythian | & |
| 05:25 | dcook | That's the best way to learn Spanish! |
| 05:25 | Laters eythian | |
| 05:25 | * dcook | spent some time in Spain watching "fisica o quimica" with Spanish subtitles... learnt so much Spanish |
| 05:25 | dcook | Also... high school drama is the same regardless of country |
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| 05:32 | dcook | Ah right... there might be a bug in the sorting for the search results... |
| 05:33 | Oh yeah... | |
| 05:34 | Right around the 1001/1002 result mark... | |
| 05:34 | Oooh that's interesting.. | |
| 05:34 | The first 1000 results look like they're sorted correctly | |
| 05:35 | 1001 might be all right... but 1002 is just the next biblionumber after 1001 | |
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| 05:47 | dcook | Hmm might be another Zebra bug.. |
| 05:48 | Oooo or maybe an issue with our Zebra config... | |
| 05:49 | Yep... | |
| 05:49 | "sortmax" | |
| 05:49 | in zebra-biblios.cfg | |
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| 05:50 | mtj | dcook: we dont use timezones in koha? |
| 05:51 | dcook | mtj: Not that I know of |
| 05:51 | the other day, rangi also said we didn't | |
| 05:51 | It's all based on the server time | |
| 05:51 | timezone* | |
| 05:52 | mtj | ah, ok |
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| 05:53 | drojf | morning #koha |
| 05:53 | dcook | morning drojf |
| 05:53 | It's still light here :D | |
| 05:54 | drojf | dcook: i'm still asleep. see, i am here so early that you are still there :D |
| 05:54 | dcook | Ahh, that'll do it! |
| 05:55 | mtj | i recently discovered the concept of floating timezones in Koha |
| 05:56 | dcook | Yeah, I found the same in a different project |
| 05:57 | It's always fun when you're playing with 'floating', UTC, and two OlsonDB specific timezones O_O | |
| 05:57 | Which as far as timezones go... really isn't that bad overall.. | |
| 05:58 | Oh God... why am I looking at the source of yaz... | |
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| 06:31 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 06:34 | * dcook | waves |
| 06:36 | dcook | Bleargh... we sure do have a lot of fields being indexed into Title:w and Title:p |
| 06:38 | Also... we're indexing a lot of obsolete MARC21 fields... | |
| 06:38 | * dcook | wonders how much indexing would speed up without the obsolete datafields... |
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| 06:48 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:48 | wahanui | salut, reiveune |
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| 07:04 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:04 | wahanui | kia ora, alex_a |
| 07:09 | drojf | dcook++ # oai-pmh harvesting |
| 07:09 | dcook | :) |
| 07:09 | I'll just be glad when this iteration is done | |
| 07:09 | I'm mostly looking forward to feedback | |
| 07:09 | I just want it to be useful for people... | |
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| 07:10 | dcook | Of course, I wrote it in a way that uses two cronjobs to handle the main work, but later learned POE and now sort of wish that I'd used POE to handle it asynchronously, but... |
| 07:11 | Anyway, time for me to head home | |
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| 08:03 | gaigai_ | fugfgiygi8gytiguigiguilgivhjvhjv.jvv |
| 08:04 | hujh | |
| 08:04 | hi any one help me download | |
| 08:05 | hi | |
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| 08:06 | gaigai_ | hi indradg |
| 08:07 | indradg | hello! |
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| 08:08 | fridolin | hie |
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| 08:20 | wizzyrea_ | hi |
| 08:20 | wahanui | kia ora, wizzyrea_ |
| 08:24 | wizzyrea_ | hm, jenkins says I have tests failing but I can't get them to fail here. |
| 08:34 | drojf | hi wizzyrea_ |
| 08:36 | hp-- # screw your hexagon screws | |
| 08:37 | wizzyrea_ | :/ |
| 08:43 | drojf | i wonder who made the rule that on every notebook, one screw is broken |
| 08:44 | wizzyrea_ | or the rule that when putting a laptop back together, you must always have one tiny screw left over. |
| 08:44 | drojf | hehe yes we will gtet back to that soon :) |
| 08:44 | get | |
| 09:03 | yeah right, put some tape below the keyboard so people search for what they think is an extra screw forever | |
| 09:04 | wizzyrea_ | oh or make the tape have an actual functional purpose, like insulating between parts. That's always a good one. |
| 09:05 | and it has to be the kind of tape you can't buy at the normal electronics shop, that isn't sticky once you peel it off. | |
| 09:09 | drojf | yesss, the magical repairperson tape. that makes it reparable only by "certified" service people |
| 09:10 | now that i cleaned the fan… i could check the non-working touchpad. or, maybe not | |
| 09:18 | that did change exactly nothing about the fan noise. my work here is done ;) | |
| 09:20 | but it repaired the touchpad by accident! #win | |
| 09:22 | touch one thing, repair something completely different. feels like reverse css | |
| 09:37 | wizzyrea_ | lol |
| 09:37 | oh, regarding translation | |
| 09:37 | we had a translation plugin on there for a while, it went out of support or the people stopped supporting it or something | |
| 09:37 | so we took it off | |
| 09:38 | should chase that up some day soon, find a replacement. | |
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| 09:39 | wizzyrea_ | anyway, made exactly 0 headway on my supposed test failures. meh will chase it up tomorrow. |
| 09:41 | drojf | wizzyrea_ did you have a look at… i forgot the name. poly… whatever i send you ;) |
| 09:41 | i have not tried it yet but it looks like its working for people | |
| 09:42 | or was it the one we used? | |
| 09:42 | polylang https://wordpress.org/plugins/polylang/ | |
| 09:43 | at least it is still supported | |
| 09:43 | active installs 100000+ sounds promising :) | |
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| 12:45 | tcohen | morning |
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| 12:59 | drojf | hi tcohen |
| 12:59 | tcohen | hi drojf ! |
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| 13:14 | tcohen | jajm: do u think we could rename bug 6874? Maybe something like "Attach files to bibliographic records" |
| 13:14 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , Attach a file to a MARC record (Was: File upload in MARC) |
| 13:17 | jajm | tcohen, yes of course |
| 13:17 | tcohen | jajm: it is your bug, I need to ask :-D |
| 13:19 | jajm | tcohen, not my bug, it's everyone's bug :) |
| 13:20 | anyway, no need to ask for that kind of change ;) | |
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| 13:35 | tcohen | khall: do u think we could change 'print STDERR' -> warn ? in Koha::Logger |
| 13:35 | khall | tcohen: let me take a look |
| 13:35 | tcohen | I was about to write proper tests for those warnings and realised it is printed to STDERR |
| 13:36 | it is in the AUTOLOAD block | |
| 13:39 | khall | tcohen: Marcel wrote that bit. I don't see any reason it should not be using warn |
| 13:39 | tcohen | khall: I guess at some point we will rewrite them as exceptions raised once kivilahtio's work is in |
| 13:39 | khall: thanks, will push Koha::Logger along with a followup for that | |
| 13:39 | thanks! | |
| 13:39 | khall | np! |
| 13:40 | also, exceptions++ | |
| 13:40 | kivilahtio | khall: nice to hear :) |
| 13:40 | tcohen | hi kivilahtio |
| 13:40 | kivilahtio | I haven't got much feedback |
| 13:40 | other than from OPL | |
| 13:40 | khall | kivilahtio: I saw that patch and am very jazzed about it |
| 13:40 | tcohen | I think Joubu mentioned them in one bug |
| 13:40 | kivilahtio | khall: I just finished writing PageObject tests to test for regression in anonymous search history |
| 13:40 | khall | kivilahtio: if I recall, I saw one other bug with a patch adding exceptions. |
| 13:41 | tcohen | yeah, Joubu already wrote a patch using them |
| 13:41 | kivilahtio | having good progress with the authentication rewrite |
| 13:41 | khall | I think you created one module per exception, where this other patch uses one module with multiple exceptions |
| 13:41 | kivilahtio | khall: yeah. I think it is much easier to maintanin when each exception has its own file |
| 13:42 | also we can subcleass the parent Exception class more easily and add more features when they are in separate files | |
| 13:42 | also it is more clear where the Exceptions come from | |
| 13:42 | we dont end up with one exception file with 10 000 rows of code | |
| 13:42 | khall | that's good to know kivilahtio. I was concerned that it would be the opposite. Is there a middle ground where we have a module for each group of exceptions ( a module for Circ exceptions, a module for holds expections, etc ) |
| 13:42 | kivilahtio | tcohen: which patch joubu wrote? |
| 13:43 | khall: I dont know I am baking them as I go | |
| 13:43 | khall: the Exceptions are very broad and general. Reusable across all modules | |
| 13:43 | khall: that is how it works in Java and I guess in all other languages, we should avoid having very specific exceptions | |
| 13:44 | khall | kivilahtio: that's fine. We can always go back an rejigger that stuff at the end if need be. |
| 13:44 | kivilahtio | khall: can we really ? :) |
| 13:44 | tcohen | kivilahtio: i don't find it right now, i read it on my inbox a couple days ago |
| 13:44 | (i get emails for every filled bug | |
| 13:45 | kivilahtio: it was an email to koha-devel | |
| 13:45 | "Move list related code to Koha::Virtualshelves" | |
| 13:45 | kivilahtio | ok |
| 13:45 | well I am happy that you like my work :) | |
| 13:45 | khall | yes, keep at it! |
| 13:45 | kivilahtio | have you taken a look at hte permission system rewrite? |
| 13:45 | or are we talking about it? or just Exceptions? | |
| 13:46 | Also what do you think about Bug 14539 | |
| 13:46 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14539 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , Introduction to castToObject(), aka. make a Koha::Object from various input types |
| 13:46 | kivilahtio | this casting system? |
| 13:55 | tcohen | kivilahtio: Joubu's work is here: 14544. Please take a look, it is possible that he's introducing a different exception system |
| 13:55 | he shouldn't | |
| 13:55 | unless it is better than yours | |
| 13:55 | kivilahtio | :) |
| 13:55 | tcohen | or maybe I got it wrong |
| 13:55 | and he's using yours | |
| 13:55 | could you? | |
| 13:55 | take a look? | |
| 13:56 | kivilahtio | I am checking |
| 13:57 | tcohen: I am not seeing exceptions in 14544 | |
| 13:57 | tcohen | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ment.cgi?id=41039 |
| 13:58 | i'm glad to see we are all on the same path | |
| 13:58 | maybe point him to your work on the bug | |
| 13:59 | his is just WIP for now | |
| 13:59 | kivilahtio | tcohen: He knows of my exceptions system |
| 13:59 | tcohen: we have discussed about it | |
| 13:59 | tcohen | ok, i'll put this on next dev mettings' agenda |
| 14:00 | kivilahtio | tcohen: it is also a good idea to introduce your specific Exceptions like joubu is doing |
| 14:00 | wahanui | okay, kivilahtio. |
| 14:01 | tcohen | kivilahtio: so it is not competing with your work? |
| 14:01 | kivilahtio | but you shouldnt use specific exceptions if tehre is a matching general exception, like there most of the time is |
| 14:01 | tcohen: kinda | |
| 14:01 | tcohen | ok, worth discussing on a dev meeting |
| 14:01 | kivilahtio | tcohen: problem here is that all the submodule (Virtualshelves) exceptions are in one file. |
| 14:02 | Koha::Exceptions | |
| 14:03 | tcohen: when is the next dev meeting? | |
| 14:03 | tcohen: also I find it strange that he introduces out of blue a new exception system inside an unrelated feature | |
| 14:03 | tcohen: the exception system should be in its own bug, but maybe this is WIP nad things are just for testing | |
| 14:04 | tcohen | on his email he explained this is WIP |
| 14:04 | kivilahtio | ok |
| 14:04 | tcohen | he didn't reach the point he's happy with the approach |
| 14:04 | and was asking for feedback | |
| 14:04 | kivilahtio | tcohen: But I totally understand his approach and I think they both can coexist :) |
| 14:05 | tcohen | kivilahtio: we didn't set a date for the next dev meeting |
| 14:06 | and we missed the 3-week timeframe already | |
| 14:06 | so I guess it should be next week | |
| 14:06 | kivilahtio | tcohen: but it would be best if we could pick one way of doing things, my approach is not very good if you want lots of very specific exceptions |
| 14:06 | tcohen | will check with cait once she's back online |
| 14:06 | kivilahtio | tcohen: but that is mostly due to limitations in perl. |
| 14:07 | tcohen: And I would need to get back to how Exception::Class works and think of the subclassing capabilities and passing more information in the exceptions. | |
| 14:07 | so I don't feel like I can give the best answer now | |
| 14:07 | tcohen | ok, the ball is on your side of the field then :-D |
| 14:07 | kivilahtio | ok ok |
| 14:07 | tcohen | once Joubu shows around we can talk about ir |
| 14:08 | s/r$/t$/ | |
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| 14:15 | kivilahtio | take care #koha |
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| 14:35 | fridolin | seeeee u |
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| 14:43 | drojf | @later tell wizzyrea polylang for multilingual wordpress sites is pretty straight forward. i installed it in mine now. you can choose a set of available languages, choose a language for all content already available, translate strings like site name, and then translate every single page and posting (if you like) and create menus on a per language basis. I have not done much, but you can try it at http://koha.abunchofthings.net |
| 14:43 | huginn` | drojf: The operation succeeded. |
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| 14:46 | Shane-S | Hi I have 2 instances...."koha" and another called "woodbury". I installed via packages some time ago (2 years now)...doing koha-run-backups "woodbury" gets a backup...but my original and first instance "koha" is stuck on Oct 2013 |
| 14:47 | I did koha-dump koha and it got permission errors, preceeded with sudo..and no error...but the /var/spool/koha/koha folder is not updating like "woodbury" does | |
| 14:48 | lost as to how to get my main instance backed up so I can update the server | |
| 14:50 | tcohen | how does this read? |
| 14:50 | "You are missing the <log4perl_conf> entry in your koha-conf.xml file. Please | |
| 14:50 | add it, pointing to the log4perl.conf file for your Koha instance." | |
| 14:51 | khall? | |
| 14:51 | wahanui | it has been said that khall is volunteering to come over and fix it for you, it seems. ;) |
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| 14:51 | khall | ? |
| 14:51 | tcohen: that sounds good to me! | |
| 14:52 | tcohen | ok :-D |
| 14:52 | khall: this is how it looks http://snag.gy/WQijQ.jpg | |
| 14:53 | someone will fix it if needed | |
| 14:53 | heh | |
| 14:53 | khall | tcohen: that looks excellent to me. |
| 14:55 | drojf | Shane-S: have you checked what the permissions are of a) the backup folder b) the instance folder? |
| 14:55 | and compared those to the other instance | |
| 14:58 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14167: (QA followup) new entries in koha-conf.xml should be tested in about.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]de472b4b21c29e5b6> / Bug 14167: (QA followup) use warn instead of just STDERR <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]593fbeb3221d5ef8b> / Bug 14167: (QA followup) Tidy Koha/Logger.pm <http://git.koha-commun |
| 15:00 | Shane-S | drojf: nope will do that |
| 15:02 | drojf: /var/spool/koha/ both folders are all/xr/r root/root (checking instances now) | |
| 15:04 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:04 | tcohen | khall++ |
| 15:05 | khall | woot! |
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| 15:05 | khall | logging++ |
| 15:05 | pianohacker | logging++ |
| 15:05 | khall | thanks handling those followups tcohen! |
| 15:05 | Shane-S | drojf: /etc/koha/sites/ match as well all/xr/r koha-koha and th eother folder is woodbury-koha |
| 15:06 | pastebot | "Shane-S" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "sites perimissions" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/10 |
| 15:09 | drojf | Shane-S: do you have a different backupdir set in your koha-conf.xml by any chance? |
| 15:09 | Shane-S | I never messed with it, but I can check it |
| 15:10 | drojf | koha-dump should tell you where the backup goes |
| 15:11 | Shane-S | drojf: do I need like koha-dump -v it doesn't tell me by default |
| 15:11 | I should get the version...hang on | |
| 15:11 | barton | koha::logger++ |
| 15:11 | khall++ | |
| 15:11 | tcohen++ | |
| 15:12 | Shane-S | drojf: 3.12.05.000 |
| 15:12 | drojf | oh |
| 15:12 | sorry, that is ancient. no idea | |
| 15:14 | Shane-S | are there manual backup instructions that are valid anywhere? |
| 15:14 | drojf | you could try to use a more recent version of koha-dump. but there have been other changes, so you would also need koha-functions.sh |
| 15:15 | have you checked the wiki? | |
| 15:15 | Shane-S | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Backing_up_Koha ; http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ackages#koha-dump |
| 15:16 | drojf | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]66ea124eb;hb=HEAD that is the latest, you could just extract what commands are used in there |
| 15:17 | and use the parameters from your koha-conf.xml | |
| 15:17 | Shane-S | okay thank you starting point since I can't figure out what it is doing...does the dump have a log file? |
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| 15:19 | drojf | not that i now of. but it is basically what is on the wiki, plus it makes a gips the file. mysqldump --databases --host="$mysqlhost" --user="$mysqluser" --password="$mysqlpass" "$mysqldb" | gzip > "$dbdump" |
| 15:19 | *it gzips the file | |
| 15:21 | and tars up the config files with tar -C / -czf "$metadump" "etc/koha/sites/$name" "etc/apache2/sites-available/$instancefile" "etc/apache2/sites-enabled/$instancefile" \ "var/lib/koha/$name" \ "var/log/koha/$name" | |
| 15:21 | where $metadump is the name of the output and $name is your instance | |
| 15:24 | later #koha | |
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| 16:33 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 16:33 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 27.0°C (6:20 PM CEST on July 21, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
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| 17:25 | nengard | hi wnickc |
| 17:25 | wnickc | hi nengard |
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| 18:32 | Shane-S | drojf: Luckily all I had to do was add the backupdir directive to the main site xml conf file. Worked |
| 18:33 | Now to export the files...then I can try for an upgrade/update | |
| 18:38 | am I connected? | |
| 18:40 | pastebot | "Shane-S" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Apt-get Update error" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/11 |
| 18:42 | drojf | Shane-S: do |
| 18:42 | wget -O- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | sudo apt-key add - | |
| 18:42 | i typed that from my head, hope its ok :D | |
| 18:42 | its in the koha_on_debian wiki page | |
| 18:42 | Shane-S | drojf: ty |
| 18:42 | I think I remember that from the install guides...I can look there too | |
| 18:44 | so if memory serves... sudo apt-get upgrade ? | |
| 18:45 | drojf | after yo did the update again, yes |
| 18:45 | you | |
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| 19:41 | Shane-S | so I did my update/upgrade and now it says i have 3 packages held back, koha-common being one...should I force it, or do I have to do a fresh install? |
| 19:42 | drojf | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:43 | Shane-S | drojf: ty, you are quicker then my google skills...I was just reading that ;) |
| 19:44 | drojf | i just opened the window while waiting for something to load :D |
| 19:44 | good timing ;) | |
| 19:54 | Shane-S | woot! aside from the customized HTML/CSS I have to fix..I am now on 3.20 |
| 19:54 | Love you guys for making this thing easy! | |
| 19:54 | ty for the help drojf ! | |
| 19:54 | drojf | congratulations. to get more practise, i think 3.20.2 is coming tomorrow |
| 19:57 | Shane-S | lol well at least it wasn't like some linux/bsd installs...that leave you like this http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/i[…]1234931504682.jpg (image, safe for work..unless "F and U" aren't allowed) |
| 19:59 | well I am out...thanks again. I am sure I will be back tomorrow or some time soon figuring out the html/css changes I customized. | |
| 19:59 | plus the .2 | |
| 20:24 | rangi | yep 3.20.2 will be out as soon as i have the po files |
| 20:27 | tcohen | hi rangi |
| 20:27 | rangi | hey tcohen |
| 20:27 | my watch is telling me | |
| 20:27 | tcohen | will u be around in about an hour? |
| 20:28 | rangi | yep |
| 20:28 | tcohen | i'm heading home |
| 20:28 | rangi | master is red |
| 20:28 | tcohen | ah, yes |
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| 20:28 | tcohen | missing perl module |
| 20:29 | rangi | you saw the watchface eh? |
| 20:29 | https://dev-portal.getpebble.c[…]60dc1ceb35f000003 | |
| 20:29 | hmm http://apps.getpebble.com/en_U[…]60dc1ceb35f000003 | |
| 20:30 | tthe 2nd one | |
| 20:30 | doh he's gone | |
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| 20:55 | barton | does anyone have documentation about how to query action_logs for various modules? For example, when module = CIRCULATION, you can query action_logs by info, where the value of 'info' is the itemnumber. ... sometimes 'object' is the key... has anyone written down all of the possible combinations of MODULE and what to join on? |
| 20:56 | ... if anyone has even a partial list, I'd be happy to start a wiki page on it... | |
| 20:57 | cait | barton: sorry, don't have a list |
| 20:57 | i normally find out hte module pretty fast and then look what is there with a group ... and work it out | |
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| 21:43 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 21:43 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 25.2°C (11:43 PM CEST on July 21, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:48 | cait | 72*60 |
| 21:48 | wahanui: 72*60 | |
| 21:48 | wahanui | 4320 |
| 21:52 | pianohacker | wahanui: sqrt(pi) |
| 21:52 | wahanui | pianohacker: i'm not following you... |
| 21:52 | pianohacker | wahanui: pi |
| 21:52 | wahanui | pi is fine. glad i made a new card with fresh debian and koha stable before so i can still play with it ;) |
| 21:52 | pianohacker | pfft |
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| 22:31 | eythian | hi |
| 22:41 | BobB | hi |
| 22:41 | wahanui | hi, BobB |
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