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00:07 | dcook | Interesting... I never really looked at the ILS-DI before but that could actually be good if it were fully implemented.. |
00:07 | Can't say I agree with: "Search (Use SRU instead)" | |
00:07 | eythian | yeah, it's definitely got uses. |
00:07 | also, hi dcook | |
00:07 | dcook | cgi-bin/koha/ilsdi.pl |
00:07 | heya eythian :) | |
00:08 | You sent off your proposal for OSDC? | |
00:08 | eythian | yep |
00:08 | oh, I was going to write up a second one | |
00:08 | * dcook | thumbs up |
00:08 | eythian | but I can't remember what it was about. |
00:08 | oh well | |
00:09 | dcook | Yeah, I spent most of my weekend sneezing and blowing my nose, so my mind has been elsewhere |
00:09 | eythian | oh, fun times |
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00:10 | * dcook | wonders if ILS-DI is even a thing still... doesn't really seem like it... |
00:10 | is pretty sure he's wondered this same thing in the past as well... | |
00:12 | dcook | "While the final recommendation released in December 2008 was applauded by the library technology community, it did not result in a generic solution as DLF did not have the resources to create complete schema requirements, develop open source toolkits, or monitor vendor compliance." |
00:13 | Looks like NCIP is the new hotness? | |
00:13 | From 5 years ago? :S | |
00:16 | * dcook | also wonders if water and chocolate are the best way to beat a head cold :p |
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00:22 | eythian | dcook: I thought NCIP was more about replacing SIP |
00:25 | dcook | I think it is |
00:26 | I think the ILS-DI people decided to give up and focus on NCIP instead | |
00:26 | "A survey of the community indicated that first efforts should focus on re-usable services for item availability and patron functionality. As these priorities mesh closely with the goals of the eXtensible Catalog (XC) project’s NCIP toolkit, this existing tool has been recommended as a platform for achieving a re-usable set of services across a variety of ILSs." | |
00:27 | I guess a fair amount of ILS-DI looks to be related to patrons and circulation anyway | |
00:27 | So probably makes sense to focus on NCIP instead... | |
00:27 | Then maybe have a different toolkit for search/item info... or just use a REST API | |
00:28 | * dcook | looks forward to the day of having a full fledged API |
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00:57 | dcook | Oh nice... I didn't know that the deleted record OAI-PMH patch had been pushed... that's rad |
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02:29 | wizzyrea | IE. I hate you. |
02:29 | eythian | wah<TAB>....damn |
02:30 | anyway, wahanui would have told you that dcook is an IE expert, I think. | |
02:30 | rangi | should be safe(ish) to bring it back now |
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02:30 | eythian | wahanui: welcome back |
02:30 | wahanui | I was trapped in a maze of twisty, turny passages, all alike. |
02:31 | wizzyrea | I don't want anyone to have to be an IE expert. That makes me sad. |
02:33 | dcook | ^ |
02:34 | It's a dirty job, and I don't want to do it :p | |
02:35 | wizzyrea: Why do you hate it today? | |
02:35 | Well... hate it "more" | |
02:35 | wizzyrea | general distaste. |
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02:53 | dcook | Interesting... might have just found a security bug.. |
02:55 | Let's see what mischief I can get up to with this... | |
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02:58 | * Francesca | waves |
02:58 | * dcook | waves |
02:58 | Francesca | sup dcook |
02:59 | dcook | Just found a SQL injection bug, I believe :) |
02:59 | Francesca | cool |
02:59 | I just got home from uni | |
03:00 | dcook | Start of a new term? |
03:00 | A few weeks ago that is? | |
03:00 | Francesca | just started again today |
03:02 | * dcook | is finally figuring out Oceanic academic calendars! |
03:02 | dcook | Actually my wife just started up uni again, so I totally cheated on that one... |
03:02 | Francesca | hahaha nice |
03:05 | I really hate winter | |
03:06 | it got really cold here and only snowed a bit in karori | |
03:06 | dcook | Certainly doesn't sound like a fun time :( |
03:06 | @wunder syd | |
03:06 | huginn` | dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 17.0°C (1:00 PM AEST on July 13, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). |
03:06 | dcook | I complain about the cold and it's not even that bad here |
03:07 | Francesca | @wunder wel |
03:07 | huginn` | Francesca: The current temperature in BeeGeeR, Welkom, South Africa is 7.2°C (5:04 AM SAST on July 13, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 26.56 in 899.3 hPa (Steady). |
03:07 | Francesca | ok that didn't work.... |
03:07 | @wunder wlg | |
03:07 | huginn` | Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (3:00 PM NZST on July 13, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady). |
03:08 | Francesca | yay there we go |
03:08 | dcook: warmer where you are then | |
03:08 | lucky | |
03:11 | dcook | :) |
03:11 | @wunder yvr | |
03:11 | huginn` | dcook: The current temperature in Burkeville, Richmond, British Columbia is 20.1°C (8:10 PM PDT on July 12, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
03:11 | dcook | That'd be all right about now.. |
03:12 | @wunder tpa | |
03:12 | huginn` | dcook: The current temperature in Pat Acre Estates (CodeChaser), Tampa, Florida is 25.2°C (10:57 PM EDT on July 12, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
03:12 | dcook | Even better :D |
03:12 | Francesca | lucky them |
03:14 | My cats have just come in, found a nice patch of sunny floor and gone to sleep | |
03:15 | the cold never bothers them | |
03:15 | dcook | Mine are little whingers. They lay right in front of the space heater :p |
03:16 | Francesca | hahaha |
03:16 | mine complain as well | |
03:16 | but theres no heater for them lie in front of | |
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03:17 | Francesca | instead they find blankets, pillows, boxes or people to sleep in/on |
03:18 | dcook | Winter is the worst :/ |
03:18 | Francesca | def. |
03:22 | dcook | Hmm.. looks like you can only have 100 sysprefs per page... |
03:22 | "Only" | |
03:22 | And the paging doesn't look like it works for local use.. | |
03:22 | Ick... html in the perl script.. | |
03:23 | * dcook | suddenly realizes that he sounds like a total tool |
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03:26 | AmitG | hi all |
03:30 | rangi | hi AmitG |
03:45 | AmitG | hi Chris |
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04:40 | dcook | (Way past) time for chow... |
04:40 | * dcook | wanders off |
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06:22 | cait | morning #koha |
06:23 | * magnuse | waves |
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06:28 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
06:28 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on July 13, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). |
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06:31 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
06:31 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille / Marignane, France is 25.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on July 13, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Rising). |
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06:37 | dcook | rangi: Btw, today with git bz, I've tried "git bz attach -e" twice in a row, and the second time always works.. |
06:37 | So dunno what's up with the first time but it does work eventually | |
06:37 | cait | i thin he already fixed it |
06:38 | you need to pull the latest version | |
06:38 | dcook | Ahh, cool beans |
06:38 | I'll give that a shot | |
06:38 | * dcook | tries to remember where he put it now.. |
06:38 | cait | fishsoup branch |
06:38 | wahanui | fishsoup branch is much nicer anyway. |
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06:39 | dcook | That's what I was on already. Looks like I was behind 3 commmits |
06:40 | Oh, I missed 'er | |
06:40 | magnuse | dcook: rangi sent an email to the list |
06:40 | dcook | Ahh, beat that |
06:40 | Shows me for only checking in the morning! | |
06:41 | magnuse | it is morning! ;-) |
06:41 | dcook | :p |
06:41 | Nearly home time, my good man! | |
06:42 | magnuse | yeah, rub it in! |
06:42 | dcook | Lesse I have 18 minutes... what all am I supposed to fix.. |
06:42 | :p | |
06:42 | I've already had a long day! | |
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06:55 | magnuse | dcook: sign off something? |
06:56 | dcook | Well, only 4 minutes now ;) |
06:56 | There were a few things I was trying to remember to do | |
06:56 | magnuse | dcook: sign off something? |
06:56 | dcook | Sent in one patch, updated another... wonder if I can rebase one in 4 minutes.. |
06:56 | magnuse :P | |
06:56 | magnuse | :-) |
06:56 | dcook | One of these days I'll get back to testing |
06:56 | * dcook | is going to be crazy busy for the rest of 2015 he thinks |
06:56 | * magnuse | too |
06:57 | magnuse | well, i hope to get back to testing |
06:57 | i hope things slow down a little bit after august | |
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07:00 | dcook | magnuse: me too |
07:00 | Perhaps I can grow an extra head and an extra set of hands for the next few months :p | |
07:00 | kivilahtio | dcook: I need some REST |
07:00 | dcook | hehe |
07:00 | I would love some REST too | |
07:00 | kivilahtio | damn |
07:00 | reiveune | hello |
07:00 | dcook | salut reiveune |
07:01 | kivilahtio | now I am refactoring permissions sytem to drive automated integration tests for the REST API :) |
07:01 | I thought I don't need to, but... | |
07:01 | reiveune | salut dcook magnuse |
07:01 | * dcook | perks up at the sounds of automated tests and REST API |
07:01 | kivilahtio | I have a patch already |
07:01 | magnuse | bonjour reiveune |
07:02 | kivilahtio | Bug 14495 |
07:02 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14495 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , WebDriver/WebTester Factory for easy generation of Web testing UserAgents. |
07:02 | kivilahtio | Bug 14495 |
07:02 | Bug 13691 - PageObjectPattern implementation. | |
07:02 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13691 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Add some selenium scripts |
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07:03 | Joubu | morning #koha |
07:03 | kivilahtio | dcook: sorry, I havent shared the TestRunner. It runs all tests based on the Swagger2-configuration |
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07:03 | kivilahtio | so if you add a new route, yours test sstart failing unless you provide a suroutine to test each response for the REST route |
07:04 | dcook | :D |
07:05 | kivilahtio | not sure if i shared one of the PageObject-pattern tests, but it goes like this |
07:06 | my $mainpage = t::lib::Page::Mainpage->new(); $mainpage->isPasswordLoginAvailable()->doPasswordLogin('admin', '1234'); | |
07:06 | this autmatically creates two tests for you | |
07:06 | and Throws an Exception if any of those subtests fails | |
07:06 | anyway, gotta go coding | |
07:08 | dcook | kivilahtio++ |
07:08 | I have to go too | |
07:08 | Gotta make pizza for my wife :) | |
07:08 | kivilahtio | I just hope somebody could sign off something |
07:08 | have fun! | |
07:08 | dcook | You can always try trading signoffs with someone |
07:08 | kivilahtio | dcook: I knoiw :) |
07:08 | dcook | I haven't had time to test anyone's stuff but I recall doing that sometimes |
07:09 | :) | |
07:09 | Good luck! | |
07:09 | kivilahtio | dcook: next year :) |
07:09 | dcook | laters magnuse, reiveune |
07:09 | Yep, 2016 might be a bit more easygoing | |
07:09 | Ciao for now | |
07:09 | Joubu | @later tell rangi "Paste not found." :) |
07:09 | huginn` | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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07:11 | rangi | salright, i fixed it already :) |
07:11 | everytime i touch git-bz ... im suprised it doesnt break more | |
07:11 | Joubu | :) |
07:12 | rangi | grabbing html and doing regex over it is a really fragile way to do things |
07:12 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]lla3/rest/version | |
07:12 | cait | rangi++ :) |
07:12 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]la3/rest/bug/8022 |
07:13 | some day ill rewrite it in perl6 and using the rest api | |
07:13 | http://bugzilla.readthedocs.or[…]i/index.html#apis | |
07:14 | http://bugzilla.readthedocs.or[…]1/attachment.html | |
07:14 | Joubu | whaou small fix, well done |
07:14 | rangi | that seems a lot better |
07:14 | than screen scraping ;) | |
07:14 | cait | yep |
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07:15 | Joubu | rangi: One very useful feature of the v.5 is the ability to export a result list to csv |
07:15 | cait | hm I think that worked before |
07:15 | i have done it a few times :) | |
07:15 | rangi | its a lot easier now |
07:15 | cait | cool :) |
07:16 | Joubu | ha, didn't know |
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07:16 | rangi | little icons across the bottom |
07:16 | Joubu | now you have a link on the result list |
07:16 | rangi | yep |
07:16 | cait | quite hidden at the bottom in a text link in the past |
07:16 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]a3/duplicates.cgi |
07:16 | is interesting too | |
07:17 | cait | cool new features |
07:17 | AmitG | @bug 14520 |
07:17 | huginn` | AmitG: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14520 major, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Needs Signoff , Prevent to override the existing currency code. |
07:17 | cait | bugzilla++ |
07:17 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]elease-notes.html <-- can you see that? |
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07:18 | magnuse | rangi: yup |
07:18 | Joubu | yep |
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07:18 | rangi | cool, you can read more of the features there |
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07:19 | rangi | i think the rest api would make some of the things the sandboxes do easier too |
07:19 | gaetan_B | hello |
07:19 | Joubu | AmitG: could you link it with the one for itemtype? |
07:20 | AmitG | hi Joubu |
07:26 | Joubu it's done | |
07:29 | rangi | i think ill just make the changes in the css to switch the comments back to the previous behaviour |
07:32 | magnuse | paperwork-- |
07:34 | Joubu | rangi: yep you should. I really don't like the "display: block" style on the quotes |
07:34 | they should have let this change as an option | |
07:34 | rangi | ill try something |
07:38 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…].cgi?id=10988#c31 | |
07:38 | huginn` | 04Bug 10988: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, vanoudt, Signed Off , Allow login via Google OAuth2 |
07:38 | rangi | better or worse? |
07:39 | Joubu | What's the difference? : |
07:39 | :) | |
07:39 | rangi | (i just removed the fixed width) |
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07:40 | Joubu | Not a big change imo |
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07:41 | rangi | do you still need to scroll ? |
07:41 | marcelr | hi #koha |
07:41 | rangi | ill try somethign else if so |
07:41 | Joubu | rangi: yes there are still the scrollbars |
07:42 | rangi | righto |
07:42 | you did a shift-refresh to get the new css eh? :) | |
07:42 | if so, then ill edit it a different way | |
07:43 | Joubu | yes! |
07:43 | ashimema | morning |
07:44 | rangi | is it any better now? |
07:44 | hi ashimema | |
07:45 | Joubu | don't see any changes |
07:45 | rangi | can yuo view source |
07:45 | and paste the url of the css | |
07:46 | cait | morning ashimema |
07:46 | Joubu | <link href="data/assets/7aa6ea67750936a0368541421bdcd5ee.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"> |
07:46 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]05277d0702e66.css |
07:46 | thats the problem | |
07:46 | grumble | |
07:47 | ill track down all the places to change it | |
07:47 | Joubu | .bz_comment_text span.quote {color: #65379c;white-space: pre;overflow: auto;display: block;} |
07:47 | magnuse | hiya ashimema |
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07:49 | magnuse | kia ora paul_p |
07:49 | rangi | yep, there are a bunch of different css files |
07:49 | paul_p | 'morning magnuse |
07:49 | 'night rangi | |
07:49 | rangi | which is why you were seeing no changes, when i was Joubu |
07:49 | hey paul_p | |
07:50 | Joubu | rangi: different css files for the same page? |
07:51 | rangi | yeah |
07:51 | ive figured it out | |
07:51 | you have to edit global.css | |
07:51 | then run checksetup.pl | |
07:52 | that creates new ones, so that any changes arent cached | |
07:52 | * rangi | tries again |
07:53 | Joubu | oops |
07:53 | "Internal Server Error" :) | |
07:53 | ha back | |
07:54 | rangi | working better now? |
07:54 | Joubu | hum... no |
07:54 | I still don't see any changes | |
07:55 | ha! | |
07:55 | I switched to private mode and it works | |
07:56 | rangi | ahh cached css im guessing |
07:56 | hopefully it will come right | |
07:57 | Joubu | yes, display: inline; |
07:57 | rangi | cool |
07:57 | * Joubu | doesn't understand why the browser didn't refresh correctly... |
08:07 | jajm | cait around ? |
08:08 | cait | kid of |
08:09 | kind of | |
08:10 | which means answers might take a bit :) what's up? | |
08:11 | jajm | hello cait, i have heard that you are the QA specialist of the VAT rewrite :) |
08:12 | it remains only 3 signed off bugs (13321 13323 13324) and i was wondering if you have planned to look at those | |
08:13 | or if something is preventing the QA to pass | |
08:16 | cait | i had planned to look at those for ages :( |
08:17 | I will try to ask around on the qa team for some help this week | |
08:17 | i wanted to check first if the branch still applies on current master, maybe you coudl check? | |
08:17 | jajm | cait, sure, i'll check that |
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08:39 | cait | is there a trick to turn of search highlighting in the staff interface? |
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08:43 | magnuse | cait: just disable javascript ;-) |
08:43 | cait | heh |
09:09 | magnuse | ooh, nice new way to do MARC: 1!*!10!*!245!*!10!*!$aAktuellt i biståndspolitiken |
09:22 | cait | huh? |
09:34 | jajm | cait, i rebased branch ft/bug_13323 and updated sandbox 17 |
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09:46 | cait | jajm: thx! |
09:57 | hm is it possible we broke the rss feeds for the result list? | |
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10:00 | cait | morning drojf |
10:00 | did you test the result list rss feeds by chane? | |
10:06 | they don't work for me | |
10:06 | drojf | sorry, on a bus. not recently, afair |
10:19 | git-bz gives me "413 Request Entity Too Large" now | |
10:21 | rangi | thats an old one, big patch? |
10:22 | cait | drojf: latest fishsoup? |
10:23 | drojf | yes. but maybe related to bus wifi. will try at home |
10:24 | it's not a huge patch i think, i rebased the emnail encryption patch | |
10:24 | ||
10:25 | cait | bug 14524 |
10:25 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14524 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Result list RSS feed broken |
10:27 | drojf | later #koha |
10:30 | Joubu | Is there any easy way to know which language is selected on the interface? |
10:31 | It seems we need 1/ the CGI object and 2/ browse the FS | |
10:31 | cait | hmm |
10:31 | i am thinking of where we check that - maybe the code for the news? | |
10:31 | but that's quite old | |
10:31 | Joubu | the $template has the info, it's good if you need to use it from the pl script, but what about the modules? :-/ |
10:32 | cait | or the code for the language chooser, as it displays the chosen language differently |
10:32 | Joubu | yes but I need it at the module level |
10:32 | cait | i guess there is no routine then to find out |
10:34 | lunch time | |
10:35 | Joubu | ha $ENV{HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE}! |
10:37 | rangi | thats what the browser has set as its languages |
10:37 | Joubu | ha no |
10:37 | rangi | not what the user has chosen |
10:39 | * rangi | goes to bed |
10:42 | Joubu | I don't know where the magic is, but new CGI->cookie('KohaOpacLanguage'); does the trick (???) |
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11:32 | xekhz | hello |
11:32 | wahanui | hola, xekhz |
11:32 | xekhz | ppl, i need some help with my koha .. is this the the palce ? |
11:32 | to ask ? | |
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11:40 | cait | Joubu: that seems to make sense |
11:40 | xekhz: just ask, if someone knows they will answer | |
11:40 | xekhz | ok, |
11:40 | thanks, | |
11:41 | i am using koha since version 3.08 and i had any major trouble until now. | |
11:44 | in versio 3.20.01, when i try to add items to create labels, in NEW BATCH, i first do a search using label-item-search.pl if i only use the search item Title or any onther in that tab it works | |
11:44 | but when i try to search using the calendar, option ADDED ON OR AFTER DATE. | |
11:44 | ZEBRA always returns an error | |
11:45 | cait | hm |
11:46 | waht kind of error? | |
11:46 | magnuse: thx for confirming the bug | |
11:47 | xekhz | Search biblios ERROR 114 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @attr 1=32 @attr 4=5 @attr 2=4 2015-07-13 |
11:48 | nothing is returned to koha. | |
11:49 | cait | it might be a bug, but i am not sure |
11:49 | we are ont using the labelmodule | |
11:50 | you could try emailing the mailing list with your problem | |
11:50 | more people reading | |
11:50 | xekhz | i will do it, |
11:50 | but i am not sure if my marc struture e ok. | |
11:51 | it passes the framework test, but im afraid that i could have deleted a critical marc record related to the zebra search | |
11:51 | cait | is your normal search working? |
11:51 | in opac and staff? | |
11:52 | xekhz | yes |
11:52 | cait | did you change the zebra configuration? |
11:52 | xekhz | no, |
11:52 | never touched zebra conf | |
11:52 | cait | ah, one think you can check: on the about page - system information |
11:52 | if there are any warns or errors showing there | |
11:53 | xekhz | no wornings |
11:53 | warnings... | |
11:53 | wahanui | warnings are nothing to worry about. |
11:53 | xekhz | and no errors |
11:53 | cait | wahanui: is a bot, don't let him irritate you |
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11:54 | xekhz | ok |
11:55 | cait | you could also file a bug |
11:55 | bugs? | |
11:55 | wahanui | bugs is http://devopsreactions.tumblr.[…]ter-a-new-release |
11:55 | cait | hm that was not the link i was lookign for :) |
11:55 | bugs.koha-community.org is the one | |
11:58 | xekhz | thanks |
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12:21 | magnuse | ¡hola tcohen! |
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12:21 | cait | hola tcohen |
12:24 | tcohen | hi fellows |
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12:48 | marcelr | hola tcohen |
12:48 | nice introduction :) | |
12:49 | holds | |
12:49 | wahanui | |
12:49 | wahanui | yes, marcelr? |
12:49 | tcohen | hola marcelr |
12:49 | marcelr | holds |
12:49 | tcohen | holds? |
12:49 | wahanui | rumour has it holds is fun :) |
12:49 | marcelr | holds are terrible |
12:50 | cait | holds? |
12:50 | wahanui | holds is fun :) |
12:50 | cait | holds? |
12:50 | wahanui | i think holds is fun :) |
12:50 | cait | holds? |
12:50 | wahanui | holds is fun :) |
12:50 | cait | holds? |
12:50 | wahanui | holds is fun :) |
12:50 | cait | hah |
12:50 | i taught you differently! | |
12:50 | hold? | |
12:50 | wahanui | i think hold is complete |
12:50 | marcelr | wahanui forget holds |
12:50 | wahanui | marcelr: I forgot holds |
12:50 | cait | forget hold |
12:50 | wahanui | cait: I forgot hold |
12:50 | marcelr | holds? |
12:50 | cait | holds are made to sell more aspirin |
12:50 | holds? | |
12:50 | wahanui | holds are made to sell more aspirin |
12:51 | marcelr | cait++ |
12:51 | cait | and a full inbox after vacation has a similar effect :) |
12:51 | tcohen | marcelr: thanks for the kind welcome message :D |
12:51 | marcelr | heh |
12:52 | tochen i even left out what are you doing here LOL | |
12:53 | tcohen | heh |
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12:54 | nengard_afk | morning all |
12:56 | marcelr | hi nengard |
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13:06 | magnuse | ¡hola nengard! |
13:06 | nengard | hiya marcelr and magnuse |
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13:17 | Joubu | k |
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13:25 | xekhz | bug reported |
13:25 | thanks for the help | |
13:28 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14527 | |
13:28 | huginn` | 04Bug 14527: normal, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , zebra error 114 when searching for items added before or after a specific date |
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13:34 | cait | xekhz: thx for reporting |
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13:50 | drojf | hi #koha |
13:52 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
13:52 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 17.0°C (3:20 PM CEST on July 13, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). |
13:53 | xekhz | @wunder boo |
13:53 | huginn` | xekhz: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 17.0°C (3:20 PM CEST on July 13, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). |
13:53 | xekhz | @wunder lisbon |
13:53 | huginn` | xekhz: Error: No such location could be found. |
13:53 | xekhz | @wunder london |
13:53 | huginn` | xekhz: Error: No such location could be found. |
13:54 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
13:54 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 20.0°C (3:50 PM CEST on July 13, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
13:55 | drojf | warm, but almost dark |
13:55 | xekhz | @wunder lisbon, portugal |
13:55 | huginn` | xekhz: Error: No such location could be found. |
13:55 | xekhz | baaahhhhhhhhhhhhh |
13:55 | drojf | heh |
13:56 | the weather thingy is a little weird | |
13:56 | xekhz | @wunder portugal |
13:56 | huginn` | xekhz: Error: No such location could be found. |
13:57 | drojf | @wunder lisboa |
13:57 | huginn` | drojf: Error: No such location could be found. |
13:57 | drojf | well |
13:57 | doesn#t exist, sorry ;) | |
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13:57 | magnuse | @wunder lisboa, portugal |
13:57 | huginn` | magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. |
13:57 | magnuse | @wunder lisabon, portugal |
13:57 | huginn` | magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. |
13:57 | magnuse | @wunder lisbon, portugal |
13:57 | huginn` | magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. |
13:57 | magnuse | huh? |
13:58 | drojf | where does the weather data come from? |
13:58 | magnuse | @wunder lisbon |
13:58 | huginn` | magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. |
13:58 | magnuse | http://www.wunderground.com/, i *think* |
13:59 | @wunder lppt | |
13:59 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Lisbon, Portugal is 26.0°C (2:30 PM WEST on July 13, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
14:00 | xekhz | @wunder lpbj |
14:00 | huginn` | xekhz: The current temperature in Beja, Portugal is 30.0°C (2:00 PM WEST on July 13, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
14:00 | * magnuse | wanders off |
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14:55 | Joubu | barton: sorry, my answer was a bit too short to be complete :-/ You were not ambiguous |
14:56 | cait | Joubu++ thx! |
14:59 | barton | Joubu++ |
15:01 | cait | imine was for the rss patch :) |
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15:06 | Joubu | yes, we need it to be backported quite quickly, I think the bug exists in all version now :-/ |
15:06 | I did not test | |
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15:07 | reiveune | bye |
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15:22 | cait | Joubu: still around? |
15:22 | Joubu | yep |
15:22 | cait | bug 13943 |
15:22 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13943 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Cancelling the deletion process of an item deletes item anyway |
15:22 | cait | i think there is some confusion there |
15:22 | i think it's not browser specific | |
15:22 | but related to the results browser | |
15:23 | could you try - search results - detail page (with results browser showing up) - edit items - delete | |
15:23 | ? | |
15:24 | Joubu | "although in my case the problem was with Chrome and IE while it worked in Firefox." |
15:24 | cait | it happens for our customers in firefox |
15:25 | they showed me while screen sharing | |
15:25 | by the way i told you | |
15:25 | Joubu | ha |
15:25 | cait | it#s totally reproducable, i just did it in firefox |
15:25 | Joubu | weird, I tried that 10min ago |
15:25 | cait | don't use the edit items link from the results page |
15:26 | Joubu | it didn't work, but it has worked now! |
15:26 | cait | go detail > edit items |
15:26 | i will write what i did on the bug | |
15:26 | Joubu | it's exactly what I did 10min ago :) |
15:26 | that's a bit... irritating | |
15:27 | cait | one of those bugs that are really ugly |
15:27 | with the result browser showing (on the edit item screen!) i can reproduce it pretty well | |
15:28 | pianohacker | hallo |
15:28 | Joubu | cait: but you do you click on delete if you don't want to delete it? :p |
15:29 | s/you/why | |
15:29 | cait | the library says the links are too close |
15:29 | Joubu | that's true |
15:29 | cait | so they might misclick |
15:29 | and honestly... if i had had this happen in a demo... people would get pretty worried | |
15:31 | Joubu | ctrl+q! |
15:31 | cait | huh? |
15:31 | no matter what you say, i will still say it's an evil bug | |
15:33 | ;) | |
15:38 | Joubu | My browser is possessed!!! |
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15:44 | Joubu | cait: what's the usefulness of the "edit item" and "delete item" links when you click on the table, |
15:44 | ? | |
15:45 | pianohacker | Joubu: for when the table gets wide and you have to scroll to get back to the links on the left |
15:46 | Joubu | pianohacker: good point, thanks |
15:47 | pianohacker | Joubu: I was a bit confused by it when I first discovered it too, but the test data we use often results in much narrower tables :) |
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16:31 | gaetan_B | bye |
17:03 | Joubu | tcohen: I didn't find any typo "KOHA" on your website, I am not sure you will be listed! |
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17:21 | tcohen | Joubu: hahah |
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19:52 | rangi | morning |
19:52 | nengard | hola rangi |
19:57 | rangi | ah ha my cunning plan worked |
19:58 | nengard | ?? |
19:58 | liw | rangi, that's the best kind of cunning plan |
19:58 | rangi | h2 is answering even more mail now :) |
19:58 | nengard | oh! hehe |
19:58 | pianohacker | hahaha |
19:58 | nengard | tricky tricky |
19:59 | pianohacker | rangi: while I hate to ambush someone first thing in the morning, could I ask you a brief translation questin? |
19:59 | *question | |
20:00 | rangi | go for it, i may not know the answer, its been 5 or so years since i last looked at that stuff |
20:00 | but fire away | |
20:01 | pianohacker | okay, fair. Was going off my memory of you being involved in translation |
20:02 | rangi: is there any kind of documentation of the sorts of strings (parameterized or otherwise) that xgettext.pl spits out? I may have to do some heavy digging in the translation code to fix bug 4503, and I'm trying to preserve parity | |
20:02 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4503 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, NEW , Javascript files in js directory are not translated |
20:02 | pianohacker | and while I'll of course verify that it spits out a similar POT the code is obscure enough that I'm not sure what's needed and what's by cosmic accident |
20:02 | rangi | hhmmm i dont know of any, bgkriegel might know, he has been working on that i think? |
20:03 | pianohacker | okay. Haven't been able to get in touch with him |
20:04 | Thanks regardless, there's so many levels of nesting that I'm still figuring out where everything goes | |
20:04 | rangi | ahh, next time you see tcohen |
20:04 | drojf | pianohacker: can you add context support while you're in there? :P |
20:04 | rangi | he often sits near bgkriegel at work |
20:05 | ask him to poke him for you :) | |
20:05 | pianohacker | rangi: he's running away from my emails about this too :) |
20:05 | drojf: context support? | |
20:05 | rangi | hehe |
20:06 | https://storify.com/thejduce/r[…]b-rescue-a-kitten | |
20:06 | drojf | pianohacker: you can have context for translations. somehow. for disambiguation |
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20:06 | rangi | tldr; ryan adams https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Adams is in nz for a tour |
20:07 | drojf | i want to do that eventually, but i remember it was all twisted mazes in there so i was happy i found my way out again ;) |
20:07 | rangi | he saw a cat in a cemetery, and the biggest twitter orchestrated rescue ever took place, its neat ;) |
20:08 | drojf/pianohacker im wondering if what we want to do is leave that code alone, and investigate doing the po files a whole different way | |
20:08 | pianohacker | drojf: dear lord yes. Do you have any more info? That sounds interesting |
20:08 | rangi: depends what you mean | |
20:08 | drojf | rangi: probably 1000x easier :D |
20:08 | pianohacker: i think i have some notes somewhere. will have a look tomorrow | |
20:08 | rangi | im thinking using js |
20:08 | pianohacker | I was probably going for the same workflow but was gonna have to toss most of the code |
20:09 | rangi | you switch the site to translation mode |
20:09 | and you can click on stuff | |
20:09 | pianohacker | rangi: on-demand client-side translation? |
20:09 | rangi | and translate it, and it gets written back somewhere |
20:09 | pianohacker | I think I remember this conversation |
20:09 | rangi | which then you can submit somehow upstream |
20:09 | i havent fully formed this idea ;) | |
20:10 | pianohacker | hmm... while that helps with the filling in of .pot's (.po's without translations? Is that right?), there's still the other two steps of generating the .pot's and applying the translated .po's |
20:10 | rangi | yeah |
20:11 | drojf | kivilahtio said it would be very easy to do. some time ago, before he did a lot of other things ;) |
20:11 | rangi | everyone says that |
20:11 | pianohacker | ... kivi has a habit of saying things will be easy ;) |
20:11 | rangi | until they start |
20:12 | pianohacker | rangi: does stuff.co.nz have a good translation workflow? |
20:12 | rangi | http://search.cpan.org/~tokuhirom/Localizer-0.05/ |
20:13 | naw, they dont do any translation | |
20:13 | pianohacker | was curious if you had a maori version |
20:14 | rangi | http://search.cpan.org/~cosimo[…]/lib/Locale/PO.pm I wonder if that doc is any help? |
20:15 | pianohacker | rangi: yeah, thanks |
20:15 | rangi | thats whats doing the reading/writing .. then all the really confusing stuff is in the C4::Tmpl* modules |
20:17 | pianohacker | rangi: yeah, the problem is the crazy interaction and nesting... translate create calls tmpl_process calls LangInstaller calls xgettext calls tmpltokenizer calls ttparser... |
20:17 | rangi | yeah, i get lost in there |
20:17 | pianohacker | I always wondered why .pref translation was glommed on the side of LangInstaller and I'm quickly figuring it out |
20:18 | rangi | i feel like it has to be being made more complicated than it needs to be |
20:19 | pianohacker | I very much agree |
20:19 | I think about 20% of the complexity is there because we're trying to automagically translate .tt's rather than doing anything more explicit | |
20:20 | rangi | *nod* |
20:21 | pianohacker | and actually rangi, that was another question you might have some perspective on; does the current workflow (leaving aside the awkwardness of translating at a distance in a .po editor vs. something like what you mentioned) |
20:21 | work well for translators? | |
20:23 | drojf | there is not much about the process that i would describe as "working well" |
20:24 | rangi | it works decently well for the translators themselves |
20:24 | we have one of the most translated projects | |
20:24 | and certainly one of the biggest amount to translate | |
20:24 | and it's solid | |
20:25 | its not often we build broken templates out of it | |
20:25 | but it is overly complex | |
20:25 | (for the developers) | |
20:25 | the main problem for the translators is context ... which is the problem when doing any translation | |
20:26 | (my dad is a licensed translator and interpreter :)) | |
20:26 | pianohacker | (oh, cool!) |
20:27 | drojf | regarding context https://www.gnu.org/software/g[…]ode/Contexts.html |
20:27 | also bug 11285 | |
20:27 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11285 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Vocabulary disambiguation |
20:28 | pianohacker | drojf: ah, so vaaaaaguely like what the .pref .po files do? |
20:29 | drojf | pianohacker: not sure how the pref po files are done |
20:30 | pianohacker | I very much want to solve the pain point of untranslatable .js files, but are there any other headaches for development that you all can think of (besides contexts)? |
20:30 | drojf: example: msgid "acquisitions.pref#AcqEnableFiles# Do" | |
20:30 | msgstr "Do" | |
20:31 | drojf | ah that thing. it shows up in translations from time to time when people don't know it has to be deleted in the translated version ;) |
20:35 | pianohacker | drojf: it seems like a hacky version of what you're talking about |
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20:42 | pianohacker | drojf: do you know how that context thing is supposed to show up in the .po? |
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21:39 | drojf | pianohacker: afaik it will have multiple entries in the po file, one for each context |
21:40 | rangi | https://twitter.com/PigeonJon/[…]20707787778195457 |
21:41 | pianohacker | kk |
21:41 | rangi: that twitter cat rescue is adorable | |
21:42 | rangi | pianohacker: it's pretty neat eh |
21:43 | * cait | waves |
21:43 | pianohacker | drojf: now that I've read up on it, I'm not sure why whoever did the .pref thing didn't use it. In a rush, wasn't properly exposed in pootle, ...? |
21:43 | drojf | i wish i could scroll to the next page in storify |
21:43 | pianohacker | hi cait? |
21:43 | hi cait! | |
21:43 | cait | hi pianohacker?! |
21:44 | pianohacker: what are you talking about? :) | |
21:44 | pianohacker | cait: fixing bug 4503 |
21:44 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4503 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, NEW , Javascript files in js directory are not translated |
21:44 | rangi | drojf: yeah, endless scroll is kinda annoying |
21:44 | cait | pianohacker: the po file for pref keeps the strings together to make it possible to translate the sentences to make sense |
21:44 | i think it avoids one entry for multiple 'words' intently | |
21:45 | pianohacker | cait: ah, that makes sense. Easier than parameterizing them |
21:45 | drojf | rangi: especially if it does not work. i think i allowed a gazillion domains now but it still does not work :/ |
21:45 | or at least it pretends there is more, but does not load | |
21:45 | cait | hm yeah... having one entry each with placeholders would be another way - but was probably harder? dunno |
21:46 | drojf | pianohacker: it's probably a little bit of all of that |
21:46 | pianohacker | cait: yeah, harder code |
21:46 | cait | i was glad someoen did make them translatable ;) |
21:46 | pianohacker | yeah, I know... |
21:47 | That was the last thing on the to-do list and undergrad got in the way ;) | |
21:47 | cait | heh |
21:48 | pianohacker | but since the general consensus I've reached with rangi and drojf is that the translation workflow is acceptable but the code is crazy, I'm gonna basically rewrite the translation extraction/application code |
21:48 | and post a test plan that allows verification that the generated .po's/templates are basically identical | |
21:49 | cait | hm you shoudl get in contact with bgkriegel i think - translation manager then :) |
21:49 | pianohacker | cait: he's avoiding my emails and laters |
21:50 | he can comment on the patch :P | |
21:53 | cait | he is not in chat often |
21:56 | drojf | awww kitty rescue (damn storify finally worked) |
22:02 | TIL koha 3.20 works on redhat 6.6 | |
22:04 | pianohacker | "works" |
22:06 | drojf | looks less crazy than what i remember i had to do on opensuse when i did my first koha installation http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]dhat_Enterprise_6 |
22:07 | pianohacker | heh, the tiny Koha library I used to administrate was on Arch |
22:07 | that was entertainingly crazy | |
22:07 | drojf | hehe |
22:12 | oh my. german tv station buys welsh tv series "hinterland" (which is a german word), and calls it "Inspector Mathias – Mord in Wales" (murder in wales). because it would have been to easy to just once keep the original title | |
22:12 | *too | |
22:14 | i wish they would have to use po files, that would end all the translation and dubbing madness forever | |
22:14 | pianohacker | heh, the tv stations? |
22:14 | drojf | yup |
22:15 | ugh it's late. :/ good night #koha | |
22:15 | pianohacker | bye fjord |
22:19 | eythian | hi |
22:19 | wahanui | niihau, eythian |
22:20 | pianohacker | hi eythian |
22:21 | oh! hey eythian. I'm looking at some pretty serious open heart surgery on the translation stuff (originally to fix bug 4503), are there any issues as far as the packages go that I could fix while it's on the table? | |
22:21 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4503 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, NEW , Javascript files in js directory are not translated |
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22:22 | eythian | pianohacker: probably not, it really just uses the regular koha translation method wrapped up with a pretty bow. |
22:22 | pianohacker | okay, cool. and the misc/translator/translate script is pretty decent... it's just the guts hidden inside that are messy |
22:25 | eythian | yeah :) |
22:26 | pianohacker | well, I'll make sure that the pretty bow stays while the ugly guts get flushed |
22:29 | eythian | excellent :) |
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22:29 | eythian | http://www.commitstrip.com/en/[…]xing-a-self-ddos/ |
22:30 | pianohacker | while true; do dd if=money of=rackspace; done |
22:33 | bye all | |
22:35 | eythian | wahanui: german sports is <reply>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6nI1v7mwwA |
22:35 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
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22:58 | eythian | Hmm, I dunno if we should trust that guy asking to be added to the support provider list :) |
22:59 | cait | :) |
22:59 | bag | :P |
23:01 | wizzyrea | hehe |
23:02 | dunno, seems dodgy. | |
23:02 | < TEASING. | |
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23:48 | BobB | http://library.mercyhurst.edu/ |
23:51 | rangi | BobB: have you seen https://library.education.govt.nz/ |
23:51 | thats a drupal + koha too | |
23:51 | im hoping tim or someone from that library will answer the mercyhurst email | |
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23:52 | dcook | Ahh right. I was going to look at that email.. |
23:53 | wizzyrea | yeah that's almost exactly like what library.education.govt.nz have done |
23:53 | BobB | rangi I hadn't, but that is really nice |
23:54 | dcook | So they have Drupal and EDS as the front? Do they send you over to Koha for things like holds or do they use ILS-DI for that? |
23:54 | * dcook | would love to see more front-end options... |
23:55 | eythian | dcook: for education.govt.nz, drupal is the brochure site, and koha is the library site |
23:55 | they're themed to look alike, and share authentication | |
23:55 | wizzyrea | looks like they don't use the opac at all for mercyhurst |
23:55 | dcook | wizzyrea: Although it's pretty locked down for mercyhurst, no? |
23:56 | eythian: brochure site? | |
23:56 | Ahh, there it is | |
23:56 | * dcook | sees a Koha link |
23:56 | rangi | dcook: once you login you see a search box |
23:56 | eythian | dcook: stuff for presenting information to people |
23:56 | rangi | which takes you direct to koha |
23:57 | dcook | Mmm, I see I see |
23:57 | rangi | they keep their catalogue, and eds separate |
23:57 | eds doesnt search koha | |
23:57 | vs say | |
23:57 | https://library.niwa.co.nz/ | |
23:57 | which uses the plugin | |
23:57 | dcook | Yeah, I don't have enough experience with EDS. I think we do exports that get fed into EDS... then I think they use ILS-DI for availability? I'm not 100% sure... |
23:58 | rangi | depends |
23:58 | Francesca joined #koha | |
23:58 | rangi | if you put EDS over the top, then yeah you do it that way |
23:58 | dcook | I recall having an issue with the plugin but now I can't remember what it was... I suppose that's why one files bug reports.. |
23:58 | rangi | dcook: not on koha tho |
23:58 | you'd file that bug report with EBSCO | |
23:58 | dcook | Yeah, maybe that's why I didn't |
23:58 | rangi | they do the plugin and are pretty responsive |
23:58 | wizzyrea | you still should though. |
23:59 | you just do it on github | |
23:59 | dcook | Yeah, Andrew(?) seems pretty good |
23:59 | rangi | alvet |
23:59 | dcook | Ah right |
23:59 | In hindsight, I think maybe the issue wasn't with the plugin but with something that was being done here with it... |
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