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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:08 | wizzyrea | hrm no mtompsett |
| 01:26 | eythian | It's so quiet in here |
| 01:26 | wizzyrea | tis indeed |
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| 02:09 | wizzyrea | @later tell mtompsett did you do work on hiding the item types of OPAC hidden items in the facets? |
| 02:09 | huginn` | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
| 02:10 | wizzyrea | @later tell mtompset did you do work on hiding the item types of OPAC hidden items in the facets? |
| 02:10 | huginn` | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
| 02:30 | eythian | wahanui: what is the saddest thing? |
| 02:30 | wahanui | i guess the saddest thing is that we're winning the war on bees. |
| 02:30 | eythian | wahanui: what is the saddest thing? |
| 02:30 | wahanui | ⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW |
| 03:01 | wizzyrea | wahanui: what is the saddest thing? |
| 03:01 | wahanui | well, the saddest thing is http://ur1.ca/9x67k |
| 03:01 | wizzyrea | nothing like the "ghostly howls of a drowned tuba player. " |
| 03:17 | bag | @seen rangi |
| 03:17 | huginn` | bag: rangi was last seen in #koha 2 days, 2 hours, 33 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <rangi> eythian: https://twitter.com/Garage_Pro[…]87415742599028736 |
| 03:21 | eythian | @wunder nzwn |
| 03:21 | huginn` | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (3:00 PM NZST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 03:21 | eythian | also, hi bag |
| 03:26 | bag | hi eythian |
| 03:35 | @wunder 93111 | |
| 03:35 | huginn` | bag: The current temperature in Goleta East, Santa Barbara, California is 19.2°C (8:35 PM PDT on April 14, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). High Wind Warning in effect from 6 PM this evening to 9 am PDT Wednesday... |
| 03:35 | bag | @wunder 97215 |
| 03:35 | huginn` | bag: The current temperature in Kittyland Love Center, E Tabor, Portland, Oregon is 5.6°C (8:35 PM PDT on April 14, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.43 in 1030 hPa (Rising). |
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| 04:07 | * wizzyrea | wonders what they consider high wind in santa barbara |
| 04:13 | * magnuse | waves |
| 04:15 | wizzyrea | kittyland love center? |
| 04:16 | hi magnuse :D | |
| 04:20 | magnuse | hiya wizzyrea |
| 04:20 | @wunder boo | |
| 04:20 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (5:50 AM CEST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.33 in 993 hPa (Steady). |
| 04:20 | magnuse | no fresh snow today - woohoo! |
| 04:21 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
| 04:21 | magnuse | :-) |
| 04:21 | wizzyrea | do you usually get snow in April? |
| 04:21 | magnuse | i don't remember, but yeah, it's not unusual, i think |
| 04:21 | march often has lots of snow | |
| 04:22 | wizzyrea | I just watched a mini documentary about snow country in Japan |
| 04:22 | and I thought of you, and all of the novel ways that you probably have to deal with snow | |
| 04:22 | magnuse | hehe, novel? |
| 04:22 | eythian | magnuse: there's snow here if you want some (not right here, but further south) |
| 04:23 | magnuse | eythian: thanks, but we are trying to get rid of ours too |
| 04:23 | eythian: is that normal | |
| 04:23 | ? | |
| 04:23 | eythian | no, it's earlier than normal |
| 04:23 | magnuse | hm |
| 04:24 | how much further south? | |
| 04:24 | (i guess if you go far enough there is always snow...) | |
| 04:25 | eythian | the south island |
| 04:25 | wizzyrea | gosh, almost up into canterbury ya? |
| 04:25 | eythian | more than that I think |
| 04:25 | wizzyrea | well definitely there was snow on most of the southern alps. |
| 04:26 | eythian | oh, more central actually, possibly into canterbury |
| 04:26 | wizzyrea | I didn't note how close to sea level the snow fell |
| 04:26 | eythian | there was a satellite photo that I can't find |
| 04:26 | wizzyrea | it was cooooold though |
| 04:27 | eythian | desert road snowed out hahaha |
| 04:27 | magnuse | are people prepared for that, or does it result in crises, and closed schools? |
| 04:27 | i remember nz houses as kind of... flimsy | |
| 04:27 | wizzyrea | it's school holidays so probably no one closed schools |
| 04:27 | eythian | down there it's OK. It probably won't have lasted more than a day or two anyway. |
| 04:28 | wizzyrea | nah, not crises. |
| 04:28 | now, in *wellington...* | |
| 04:28 | eythian | it's common enough that it doesn't cause crises, but rare enough that it causes the occasional closure. |
| 04:28 | wizzyrea | yeah everything would shut down just so people could go play in it :P |
| 04:28 | magnuse | when i was on kapiti some people were talking about people freezing to death i their houses because of out of the ordinary cole weather |
| 04:29 | eythian | kapiti is usually warmer. |
| 04:29 | magnuse | i remember a video showing snow in wellington |
| 04:29 | wizzyrea | were the people from auckland :P |
| 04:29 | they'd freeze to death at 5c. | |
| 04:29 | magnuse | i *think* they lived somewhere around levin |
| 04:29 | but i am not sure what area they were talking about | |
| 04:30 | wizzyrea | up in the hills it might get quite cold |
| 04:32 | @wunder nzwn | |
| 04:32 | huginn` | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (4:00 PM NZST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 04:32 | * wizzyrea | considers 13 reasonable weather |
| 04:32 | wizzyrea | it's sunny so |
| 04:34 | definitely autumnal. | |
| 04:34 | magnuse | sounds nice |
| 04:34 | * magnuse | will have to visit the south island some time |
| 04:35 | magnuse | because some of it looks like norway ;-) |
| 04:36 | wizzyrea | it's nice there |
| 04:38 | magnuse | i want to go back to the birds on kapiti too |
| 04:40 | well that was weird - a record with more than 1 million items | |
| 04:44 | deleted them, and now i have itemnumbers jumping from 7813 to 12318, and from 49103 to 3298750 | |
| 04:49 | bbiab | |
| 04:53 | eythian | magnuse: I think you'll find that the Swiss like to claim that it looks like Switzerland, too. |
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| 06:35 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:37 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:37 | wahanui | hi, alex_a |
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| 06:45 | reiveune | re |
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| 07:17 | fridolin | bonjour tout le monde |
| 07:21 | Joubu | morning #koha |
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| 07:26 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:26 | wahanui | salut, gaetan_B |
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| 07:32 | mveron | Good morning / daytime everybody |
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| 07:46 | Joubu | mveron: Hi! Good job to kill C4::Dates :) |
| 07:46 | mveron: I am on it, ready to SO, I gonna submit the followup for the 2 issues I found | |
| 07:47 | magnuse | mveron++ Joubu++ |
| 07:49 | cait | mveron++ Joubu++ indeed :) |
| 07:49 | mveron | Joubu: Super! |
| 07:50 | It is only a first step, though, there will be more to be done... | |
| 07:50 | Joubu | mveron: the first one is always the hardest |
| 07:50 | (no really actually...) | |
| 07:51 | mveron | ...and the last 20% as well... |
| 07:52 | * mveron | will be back in a minute or two, suport call.. |
| 07:52 | cait | yeah ... the last 20 *shudders* |
| 07:53 | * magnuse | too |
| 08:16 | * mveron | should have done Bug 13813 by separate bug numbers to boost Joubou's singn-off score on the dashboard :-) |
| 08:16 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13813 normal, P3, ---, veron, Signed Off , Remove deprecated module C4::Dates from system |
| 08:20 | magnuse | in science they call that salami publishing ;-) |
| 08:28 | mveron | :-) |
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| 08:47 | mveron | @wunder Allschwil |
| 08:47 | huginn` | mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 18.0°C (10:30 AM CEST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:47 | mveron | @wunder Helsinki |
| 08:47 | huginn` | mveron: The current temperature in Helsinki, Finland is 5.0°C (11:20 AM EEST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:50 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 08:50 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.30 in 992 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:50 | magnuse | wow, nice weather in switzerland! |
| 08:52 | mveron | magnuse: but you have already longer days than we have, I think... |
| 08:52 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 08:52 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 14.7°C (10:52 AM CEST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:06 | cait | mveron wins :) |
| 09:06 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 09:06 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 14.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1023 hPa (Falling). |
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| 09:20 | rangi | new patch for bug 7143 |
| 09:20 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Bug for tracking changes to the about page |
| 09:20 | rangi | 277 devs now |
| 09:23 | cait | hi rangi |
| 09:23 | good number :) | |
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| 09:29 | magnuse | just 23 more and we reach 300 |
| 09:29 | i am number 102 | |
| 09:29 | wow | |
| 09:36 | cait | Joubu++ |
| 09:36 | bub 10181 | |
| 09:36 | bug even | |
| 09:36 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 09:37 | cait | hi drojf |
| 09:43 | magnuse | bug 10181 |
| 09:43 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10181 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Improve message shown for deleted records in basket summary page |
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| 10:22 | mveron | Oh, I have a meeting... |
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| 11:58 | Joubu | @later tell tcohen have a look at bug 13189 comment 14 please |
| 11:58 | huginn` | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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| 13:51 | * cait | sends Joubu cookies |
| 13:53 | has a library that is finding one bug after the other right nwo :( | |
| 13:53 | Joubu | next bug is 14k... |
| 13:54 | don't want to open it :) | |
| 13:54 | cait | they just ran into 13482 |
| 13:54 | Joubu: how did you genearte the list? | |
| 13:54 | Joubu | I have opened 13998 this morning |
| 13:55 | so I checked 13999, it exists, not 14000 :) | |
| 13:55 | cait | oh |
| 13:55 | that's what you meant :) | |
| 13:55 | i thought you were working now on the 14xxx :) | |
| 13:56 | Joubu: i think the library also manage dto find the bug we could not reproduce - items due today listed as overdue on the slip print | |
| 13:57 | ... now i can't find the bug | |
| 13:57 | Joubu | which one? 13482? |
| 13:57 | cait | that's the first thing they ran into, now another |
| 13:58 | the lbirarian is testing all the notices | |
| 13:58 | Joubu | bug 12933? |
| 13:58 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12933 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Add ability to print overdue slip from staff intranet |
| 13:58 | cait | hm not quite |
| 13:58 | i think it was one bywater reported, barton? | |
| 13:58 | Joubu | bug 12847 |
| 13:58 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12847 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, Date comparisons in C4::Members::IssueSlip are broken |
| 13:59 | cait | sth like bug 8813 |
| 13:59 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8813 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, issue slip lists items as overdue that are not overdue |
| 13:59 | cait | oh that could be the one i was thiking about |
| 13:59 | i have a screenshot proof - it#s happening | |
| 14:00 | Joubu | Do you have steps to get the issue? |
| 14:00 | cait | writing note on the bug report, then will try again |
| 14:01 | barton | cait: I think 12933 is all khall. |
| 14:02 | cait | remembered it wrong - but glad Joubu found it |
| 14:02 | khall | yeah, I need to get that fixed up! |
| 14:02 | barton | ahyes, the date comparisons. |
| 14:03 | cait | trying to add some info to the bug report |
| 14:03 | maybe we can find the 'thing' to make it happen all the time | |
| 14:03 | barton | cait: I'm pretty sure that got fixed master, somewhere along the way. |
| 14:03 | cait | barton: that is the super latest stable release |
| 14:03 | if it got fixed | |
| 14:03 | we want to find and backport | |
| 14:04 | barton | ah... |
| 14:06 | @seen nickc | |
| 14:06 | huginn` | barton: I have not seen nickc. |
| 14:06 | cait | huh. it's happening in one installation but not the other... oh joy |
| 14:06 | same version | |
| 14:06 | barton | happy happy joy joy. |
| 14:07 | [I have to be careful saying that in #bywater ;-) ] | |
| 14:10 | @seen wnickc | |
| 14:10 | huginn` | barton: wnickc was last seen in #koha 18 hours, 55 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <wnickc> some sanity is better than none ;-) |
| 14:11 | barton | cait: were you referring to Bug 12847 when you said that it was varying by installation? |
| 14:11 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12847 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, REOPENED , Date comparisons in C4::Members::IssueSlip are broken |
| 14:11 | Joubu | cait: could you get the screenshot? |
| 14:12 | cait | i will check for personsal data - give me a moment to anonymize, then ic an upload |
| 14:12 | barton: yes, same versin, different results :( | |
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| 14:16 | cait | maybe only happens at a specific time on wednedays? |
| 14:18 | Joubu: screenshot uploaded to bug 12847 | |
| 14:18 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12847 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, REOPENED , Date comparisons in C4::Members::IssueSlip are broken |
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| 14:21 | Joubu | Could you confirm date_due="2015-04-15 23:59:00" in DB? |
| 14:21 | cait | give me a second :) |
| 14:21 | i hope it's sitll there | |
| 14:21 | test environment for the library - they are testing all the things today | |
| 14:22 | ok, still there, and it happens when i print the slip as well | |
| 14:22 | checking the db now | |
| 14:24 | Joubu: issues.date_due is: '2015-05-15 23:59:00' | |
| 14:24 | looking fine to me | |
| 14:25 | Joubu | funny, it comes from getpendingissues, the issuedate is erased |
| 14:25 | I noticed that this morning | |
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| 14:25 | Joubu | 1202 $_->{issuedate} = dt_from_string($_->{issuedate}, 'sql'); |
| 14:25 | this is quite stupid | |
| 14:25 | s/quite/completely | |
| 14:25 | cait | hm but is issuedate the one we want? |
| 14:26 | Joubu | no but :) |
| 14:26 | cait | it still makes no sense? :) |
| 14:27 | Joubu | in IssueSplip, an issue is considered as overdue if $overdue is set |
| 14:28 | and it is set only if it is not considered as non overdue | |
| 14:28 | and it is considered as non overdue if | |
| 14:28 | 2443 if ((substr $it->{'issuedate'}, 0, 10) eq $now || (substr $it->{'lastreneweddate'}, 0, 10) eq $now) { | |
| 14:28 | so issuedate is checked | |
| 14:28 | cait | but... tht makes no sense |
| 14:28 | Joubu | don't try to understand last 5 sentences :) |
| 14:29 | cait | or... maybe it does, but it cuts of the time? |
| 14:29 | barton | Joubu: yeah, that's completely broken -- even if it does the right thing some times. |
| 14:29 | Joubu | ok I know |
| 14:30 | it has been renew today | |
| 14:30 | cait | i am confused by it looking at the issuedate instead of the due_date |
| 14:30 | Joubu | hum... I will write some tests |
| 14:30 | cait | and also the lastrenewddate seems so weird |
| 14:30 | Joubu | cait: could you just check the lastreneweddate value please? |
| 14:30 | cait | overdue: the due_date and time are before... now. |
| 14:30 | yep of course sec | |
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| 14:31 | cait | issuedate: '2015-04-15 16:16:14' |
| 14:31 | lastreneweddate: NULL | |
| 14:32 | ... and thx a lot :) | |
| 14:32 | Joubu | ok :) |
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| 14:52 | thd | tcohen: are you present? |
| 14:54 | cait: What is the proper way in which I can indicate disapproval for a QA pass? | |
| 14:56 | cait | leaving a comment with your argumentation |
| 14:57 | thd: which bug are you talking about? | |
| 14:57 | thd | cait: QA status toggle is next to the comment submission form. |
| 14:57 | bug 13912 which is on the agenda for today's development meeting. | |
| 14:58 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13912 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , System preference for default place of publication (country code) for field 008, range 15-17 |
| 14:58 | cait | sorry, i dont't understand |
| 14:58 | hm this one is failed qa actually | |
| 14:58 | not passed | |
| 14:58 | ah i see, you left the comment | |
| 14:58 | thd | cait: Only because I changed the status when I submitted my comment. |
| 14:59 | cait | the default to US seems valid - haven't read further yet |
| 14:59 | should default to empty i guess? | |
| 15:00 | thd | cait: I am trying to ask the appropriate manner in which I would include my signal about QA without changing the global status. |
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| 15:00 | thd | cait: Yes, my objection is mostly about empty defauting to US. |
| 15:01 | s/defauting/defaulting/ | |
| 15:01 | cait | hm meeting time now? |
| 15:01 | can i get 2 mins? | |
| 15:03 | thd | cait: which 2 minutes would you like? |
| 15:04 | cait | ok, is the meeting time now? |
| 15:04 | or do i have my timezones wrrong again? | |
| 15:04 | and... tcohen? | |
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| 15:05 | thd | tcohen exactly. |
| 15:05 | tajoli | Hi, Zeno Tajoli, CINECA Italy |
| 15:05 | Joubu | cait: correct, it's now :) |
| 15:05 | cait | hm, i think we shuld start then |
| 15:05 | Joubu | (unless the overdue flag is set) |
| 15:05 | cait | one moment, need to pull up the agenda |
| 15:06 | Joubu: lol | |
| 15:06 | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 1 | |
| 15:06 | huginn` | Meeting started Wed Apr 15 15:06:37 2015 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:06 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 15:06 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 1) | |
| 15:06 | huginn` | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_15_april_2015___part_1' |
| 15:06 | cait | #topic Introductions |
| 15:06 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 15:06 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 1) | |
| 15:06 | cait | please introduce yourself with #info |
| 15:07 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre |
| 15:07 | ColinC | #info Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe |
| 15:07 | tajoli | #info Zeno Tajoli, CINECA Italy |
| 15:07 | khall | #info Kyle Hall, ByWater Solutions |
| 15:07 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 15:07 | bag | #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater |
| 15:08 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 15:09 | fridolin | #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France |
| 15:09 | ablj | #info Jacek Ablewicz, Cracow Univ. of Technology |
| 15:10 | cait | hm pinged tcohen - no response |
| 15:10 | tcohen | hi |
| 15:11 | cait | oh goood! |
| 15:11 | tcohen | sorry, really busy day |
| 15:11 | cait | can you info please? :) |
| 15:11 | tcohen | give me 2 minutes |
| 15:11 | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Córdoba | |
| 15:11 | cait | i got 2... we will give you 2 too :) |
| 15:11 | #topic RM 3.20 comments | |
| 15:11 | Topic for #koha is now RM 3.20 comments (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 1) | |
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| 15:13 | tcohen | hi everyone |
| 15:13 | i've been troubled and i'm sorry for not being around too much, i'm almost back | |
| 15:14 | and will try to use most of my office time for RM tasks until release | |
| 15:14 | there's been a lag on pushing enhancements and new features | |
| 15:14 | i tried to focus on bugfixes once i got back | |
| 15:14 | so they hit the stable branches ASAP | |
| 15:15 | khall | good plan of attack |
| 15:15 | tcohen | so, I'm in the process of testing/pushing enhancements and new features |
| 15:15 | cait | tcohen++ |
| 15:15 | tcohen | 3.20 is looking good so far, stable, issues have been fixed really quick once we noticed |
| 15:16 | so | |
| 15:16 | koha++ | |
| 15:16 | we need to set a cut day for enahncements | |
| 15:16 | and I'd say stuff that isn't passed-qa next week should be left for 3.22 | |
| 15:17 | cait | friday next or monday next week? |
| 15:17 | tcohen | i have some concerns about some stuff on my queue (next topic) |
| 15:17 | but we can talk about them | |
| 15:17 | next week: wednesday :-D | |
| 15:17 | so we can release a beta during the weekend or so | |
| 15:18 | cait | soon now :) |
| 15:18 | tcohen | you had fun filling my queue, you had enough time .-D |
| 15:18 | cait | just to be precise.. the wednesday still counts? your timezone? or tuesday midnight your timezoneß ;) |
| 15:18 | * cait | kows the devs |
| 15:19 | tcohen | i come to the office at 9am ART |
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| 15:19 | tcohen | around 9:10 thursday :-D |
| 15:19 | i'll take a screenshot at that time | |
| 15:19 | =D | |
| 15:20 | cait | #info Freeze for 3.20: What's not passed QA by April 30, 9:10 Argentinian time... won't make it in |
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| 15:20 | francharb | Good morning all |
| 15:20 | tcohen | so you want one more week? :-D |
| 15:20 | cait | arg. |
| 15:21 | i just can't type | |
| 15:21 | #info CORRECTION: Freeze for 3.20: What's not passed QA by April 22nd, 9:10 Argentinian time... won't make it in | |
| 15:21 | sorry! | |
| 15:21 | tcohen | #info CORRECTION 2: Freeze for 3.20: What's not passed QA by April 23nd, 9:10 Argentinian time... won't make it in |
| 15:21 | =D | |
| 15:22 | cait | oh my |
| 15:22 | could you have said that a bit earlier? | |
| 15:22 | #chair tcohen | |
| 15:22 | huginn` | Current chairs: cait tcohen |
| 15:22 | tcohen | concerns? |
| 15:22 | francharb | Is it possible, with xslt, to display the authorised value's description but build a search link on the authorised value's code? |
| 15:23 | cait | francharb: currently not i think |
| 15:23 | tcohen | #info please let tcohen know if your feature needs attention to make it move, or have his opinion on the odds of it making into 3.20 |
| 15:23 | francharb | thanks cait ! Sorry, I just realised there was a meeting... |
| 15:23 | tcohen | francharb: it might be possible |
| 15:24 | move on | |
| 15:24 | fridolin | francharb: (nope, we use reverse maps desc to code as a hack) |
| 15:24 | tcohen | #topic General technical discussion |
| 15:24 | Topic for #koha is now General technical discussion (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 1) | |
| 15:24 | tcohen | anyone willing to raise something on this subject? |
| 15:25 | khall | Not sure if this is the topic for it, but I would *really* like to see bug 13799 signed off. I've been planning to QA it. I'd love to see it in the next release |
| 15:25 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13799 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add base for building RESTful API |
| 15:26 | tcohen | i think we should move to the next topic, and discuss that there |
| 15:26 | khall | ok |
| 15:26 | tcohen | #topic Bugs |
| 15:26 | Topic for #koha is now Bugs (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 1) | |
| 15:26 | tcohen | first one |
| 15:26 | wahanui | somebody said first one was looking weird - it says 9 centerville, but there is also an item at liberty |
| 15:26 | tcohen | Moose dependencies (Bug 11190) |
| 15:26 | tajoli | I can say something about metasearch |
| 15:26 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11190 new feature, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Passed QA , sitemap.pl -- Generate a Catalog sitemap |
| 15:27 | tajoli | Ok after this topic |
| 15:27 | tcohen | tajoli: use the "Big stuff youre working on section" |
| 15:27 | tajoli | Ok |
| 15:27 | tcohen | has anyone seen the tool introduced by bug 11190? |
| 15:28 | it is a really interesting one, and i'd like it to make it for 3.20 | |
| 15:28 | the only concern is that it introduces Moose dependencies | |
| 15:28 | cait | hm in the past we had decided against that |
| 15:28 | tcohen | true |
| 15:28 | cait | is it an optional feature? could the dependency be optional? |
| 15:29 | tcohen | it is an optional script |
| 15:29 | cait | i think benchmarks indicatd that we shoudl favor moo over moose - or that was the compromise |
| 15:29 | tcohen | that needs to be cron-ed |
| 15:29 | cait: is Moo a dependency already? | |
| 15:30 | cait | i am not entirely sure, it might be |
| 15:31 | hm | |
| 15:31 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]cbb7b72da5bd4a08c - is libmoose already there? | |
| 15:31 | tcohen | it isn't |
| 15:31 | that's not used I think | |
| 15:32 | cait: C4::Installer::PerlDependencies | |
| 15:32 | cait | ok |
| 15:33 | tcohen | anyone? opinions besides the comment that we historically rejected Moose? |
| 15:34 | ok, I'll try on part 2 | |
| 15:34 | Joubu | Moose is quite heavy |
| 15:34 | to very interesting to add the deps for 1 script | |
| 15:34 | s/to/not | |
| 15:35 | tcohen | i'll try using Moo, probably enough for the simple sitemap.pl script |
| 15:35 | (and its related packages) | |
| 15:35 | cait | +1 agreeing with Joubu |
| 15:35 | it seems too heavy for 1 script if we don't intend to use it in general | |
| 15:36 | tcohen | the question is: it doesn't have any impact on how Koha responds |
| 15:36 | cait | i think if Moo isn't used yet.. we shoudl have some Class::Accessor in the codebase |
| 15:36 | not sure if that woudl work | |
| 15:36 | tcohen | speed or anythin |
| 15:36 | it is just if it needs to be listed as a dependency or not | |
| 15:36 | i'll talk to fredericd about it, maybe it is an easy change | |
| 15:37 | ok, moving on for now | |
| 15:38 | #info people didn't like to include Moose as dependency, even for a cli script. tcohen will approach fredericd to see if we can make the changes needed for it to make it into 3.20 | |
| 15:38 | cait | #action tcohen to approach fredericd about Moose dependency for bug 11190 |
| 15:38 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11190 new feature, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Passed QA , sitemap.pl -- Generate a Catalog sitemap |
| 15:38 | tcohen | #info if part 2 concludes the opposite, a vote will be held ASAP |
| 15:39 | moving on | |
| 15:39 | what will we do with the QueryParser ? | |
| 15:39 | it is an awesome idea | |
| 15:39 | but an orphan one | |
| 15:40 | and we have a situation where a feature targets non-QueryParser setups | |
| 15:40 | bug bug 13528 | |
| 15:40 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13528 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Ability to search on the different isbn variations |
| 15:40 | cait | Joubu: can you explain why it won't work with QueryParser? |
| 15:41 | I remember an email about a problem with mulitple arguments... is that related? | |
| 15:42 | Joubu | cait: don't remember exactly, I sent an email on koha-devel |
| 15:42 | cait | hm that might be the one i remembe rmaybe |
| 15:42 | Joubu | because QueryParser is broken with several operators |
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| 15:43 | cait | I feel like it shouldn't stop this for now |
| 15:43 | Joubu | a OR b OR c results in a AND b AND c |
| 15:43 | something like that | |
| 15:43 | so when you want to check for barcode : bc = $bc1 OR bc = $bc2 OR bc = $bc3, it causes some problems... | |
| 15:43 | cait | and this seems like a really good enhancement that we coudl extend later to queryparser maybe |
| 15:44 | but the pref shoudl be clear that there is a catch | |
| 15:44 | thd | What are the consequences of disabling QueryParser aside from allowing the patch for ISBN searches to work? |
| 15:44 | Joubu | bc = 'foo' AND bc = 'bar' will never work |
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| 15:44 | cait | thd: we are not usign it in any of our installations currently - it's optional |
| 15:44 | ColinC | I'm not seeing any benefits from QueryParser being in the release at present |
| 15:44 | cait | and queryparser is off by default |
| 15:45 | tcohen | gmcharlt_: available? |
| 15:45 | jcamins: available? | |
| 15:45 | ColinC | It does further complicate some already complicated code which is a pain for code maintenance |
| 15:46 | Joubu | would be good to know if Robin planned to use it |
| 15:46 | tcohen | ColinC: it should "simplify" code actually. Changing ad-hoc code for YAML configuration on how to interpret/translate operators |
| 15:46 | Joubu | (for ES) |
| 15:46 | cait | tcohen: but the problem with operators is a pretty big blocker ot use it :( |
| 15:46 | tcohen | the problem is we have several problems that prevent it from fully replacing the ad-hoc code that "just works" |
| 15:46 | cait | also, the swtich was not completed i think |
| 15:46 | thd | I imagine that having some possible query parser would be a very good thing but perhaps not the present code. |
| 15:47 | cait | it doesn't work in all places it could be used |
| 15:47 | tcohen | Joubu: exactly |
| 15:47 | cait | Joubu: woudl it be hard to extend your feature when the operators bug got fixed? |
| 15:47 | and do we have a bug report for it? | |
| 15:48 | i think i'd be ok with pushing your patch if the problem is documented in the pref description and we also have a bug on bugzilla... so we know where the problems are | |
| 15:48 | Joubu | Who would be able to fix it? |
| 15:49 | cait | i think ripping the code out now woudl not be good |
| 15:49 | we need to talk more about this after 3.20 | |
| 15:49 | the queryparser code | |
| 15:49 | and fixig it... also a bit short on time now | |
| 15:51 | um.someone else? | |
| 15:52 | Joubu | What was the question? :) |
| 15:52 | Should we remove it? | |
| 15:52 | tcohen | #action tcohen will go ahead with the inclusion of bug 13528, along with a followup stating that it won¡t work with UseQueryParser=on |
| 15:52 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13528 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Ability to search on the different isbn variations |
| 15:52 | cait | ifit should block bug 13528 that it doesn't support queryparser |
| 15:52 | Joubu | Should we accept ft even if does not work with QP? |
| 15:53 | tcohen | Joubu: you only found a bug on QueryParser's PQF driver |
| 15:53 | ColinC | I think there are a number of sysprefs that dont work if QP enabled already |
| 15:53 | Joubu | I won't answer, I am the author of the patch :) |
| 15:53 | tcohen | i think we just need to fix it |
| 15:53 | Joubu | 'just' :) |
| 15:54 | I tried, I failed. Good luck | |
| 15:54 | tcohen | i mean, i don't think it blocks your feature |
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| 15:54 | tcohen | I'm in favour of pushing the feature with a docuentation followup |
| 15:55 | and will definitely talk to gmcharlt_ about Evergreen's use of QueryParser | |
| 15:55 | because they've been using it for years now | |
| 15:55 | and it doesn't fail like this, so it is specific to Koha's driver | |
| 15:56 | Joubu | tcohen: not sure you have to highligh it in the doc, the limitation is in the syspref description |
| 15:56 | tcohen | Joubu: you wrote a regression test for the QA problem I recall? |
| 15:56 | Joubu: i mean the syspref docs/description | |
| 15:56 | Joubu | ? |
| 15:56 | tcohen | i was talking about the syspref description |
| 15:56 | wording issue | |
| 15:57 | cait | move on? :) |
| 15:57 | tcohen | i think so |
| 15:57 | Joubu | will see later :) |
| 15:57 | * tcohen | knows Joubu is hopeless |
| 15:58 | tcohen | next one is bug 13912 |
| 15:58 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13912 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , System preference for default place of publication (country code) for field 008, range 15-17 |
| 15:58 | thd | tcohen: You should note my comments to the bug added today. |
| 15:59 | * tcohen | goes to read |
| 15:59 | barton | #info Barton Chittenden, BWS, Louisville, KY |
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| 16:00 | tajoli | As user of unimarc: |
| 16:00 | mtompset | #info Mark Tompsett |
| 16:00 | tajoli | better a develop Marc-neutral |
| 16:01 | but if not, Ok on name 'DefaultCountryField008' | |
| 16:01 | thd | While tcohen reads I will summarise that my main objection is that an empty value in a system preference should not set the country for an installation. |
| 16:02 | tajoli | baecause now i use a setup on marc frameworks |
| 16:02 | but in unimarc 008 ins not present | |
| 16:02 | so doesn't' do anything | |
| 16:02 | thd | I think that the MARC 21 bias is less serious but should still have some more neutral presentation. |
| 16:02 | gaetan_B | bye |
| 16:04 | thd | Explaining, if the user has not set the system preference, the default should also not be set and a warning should be triggered. |
| 16:04 | tajoli | Yes on 'empty value set nothing' |
| 16:04 | tcohen | thd: I agree with your comments, just a little difference |
| 16:05 | I would set the country_of_production (and for example original_language) framework-wise | |
| 16:05 | so it would be easier to link to an authorised value list too | |
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| 16:05 | tcohen | the use case that raised my concern is thesis here |
| 16:05 | that are written in spanish | |
| 16:06 | thd | tcohen: That would require work to modify the Koha MARC frameworks design to support fixed fields better. |
| 16:06 | tcohen | but most of the bibliography is originally written in english |
| 16:06 | thd: just a new field for the frameworks | |
| 16:06 | and adjust the marc_21_008.pl plugin | |
| 16:07 | extra work, I know | |
| 16:07 | thd | tcohen: How would the new column for the frameworks specify the range to which part of a fixed field it applies? |
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| 16:08 | tcohen | don't need to, the the specific plugin hould know |
| 16:09 | anyway | |
| 16:09 | is the introduced technical debt something to worry about? | |
| 16:09 | thd | tcohen: Would you have any and all values in the fixed field specified in the default field? |
| 16:10 | tcohen: If so, then no new column is required. | |
| 16:10 | tcohen: There is already a defaultvalue column. | |
| 16:10 | tcohen | thd, that works for subfields |
| 16:10 | thd | tcohen: Yes. |
| 16:11 | tcohen | i would rather add country_of_production to `biblio_framework` |
| 16:11 | cait | tcohen: to some extend it works for controlfields as well |
| 16:11 | tcohen | cait: you mean adding the full fixed lenght string? |
| 16:11 | cait | yeah |
| 16:11 | tcohen | i'm being empathetic with librarians |
| 16:11 | empathic? | |
| 16:12 | cait | i am not sure this small feature is worth too much work right now |
| 16:12 | thd | tcohen: That was also my current suggestion with no sympathy to librarians ;) |
| 16:12 | mtompset | -- displaying empathy for. ;) |
| 16:13 | ^for^with^? Anyways... | |
| 16:13 | * tcohen | loves having idiomatic aid |
| 16:14 | thd | tcohen: Adding a column with such specificity to the framework would essentially have an almost entirely empty column. You should think of a more generic approach which uses the frameworks. |
| 16:14 | tcohen | i'll think of cait's idea of using the default value, maybe it is worth making a better value builder for the framework editing tool |
| 16:15 | cait | the only problem might be if the plugin correctly detects it always |
| 16:15 | but it hink i would not blow this up to be too huge - and also not sure it need to be by framework, might be ok globally | |
| 16:15 | * mtompset | thinks he better scroll back to get fully context. |
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| 16:15 | cait | shoudl we move on? |
| 16:16 | tcohen | cait: i give up |
| 16:16 | cait | i hope not! |
| 16:16 | tcohen | once i have a proper solution (not just ideas) that convinces me, i'll come back to this |
| 16:16 | thd | There are many problems which the frameworks could be extended to address. Maintenance of the default frameworks is the difficulty. |
| 16:16 | tcohen | thd: tru |
| 16:16 | e | |
| 16:17 | thd: are you able to provide a followup for the bug? | |
| 16:18 | (implementing the changes you propose?) | |
| 16:18 | thd | I actually think that we should be moving the generic form of things out of the existing Koha MARC frameworks and use a form which will work with BIBFRAME or whatever. |
| 16:19 | I am able to follow up on the bug. Even the full featured version would not be difficult but merely take some time. | |
| 16:19 | mtompset | Yuck, system preference?! |
| 16:20 | tajoli | Sorry, I need to leave. I will write about metasearch on koha-devel |
| 16:20 | cait | thd: i think it can't go in changig existing behaviour if the pref is not set |
| 16:20 | as qa point of view | |
| 16:20 | tcohen | thd: just renaming the syspref and making sure a good default behaviour? |
| 16:20 | cait | so we fqa is right and it needs a follow up |
| 16:20 | thd | System preferences may not be the ideal location but the Koha MARC frameworks model is too inflexible for some important tasks of which the present case is not really an example. |
| 16:20 | mtompset | True, thd. |
| 16:21 | But the advantage of a column is the whole Koha::Object thing we've started. | |
| 16:21 | thd | I can work on changing the fix to do something more global where the plugin would also need changing to give a warning if not set. |
| 16:22 | mtompset | And if you are worried about blank columns, split off a table? |
| 16:22 | tcohen | thd: thanks |
| 16:22 | i'll keep an eye on it | |
| 16:23 | thd | mtompset: Yes, we should see if we could find a better place for expressing what is needed. |
| 16:23 | tcohen | ok, we need to move on |
| 16:23 | thd: related to that on "remaining new features" i will mention an interesting bug | |
| 16:24 | there have been several bugs filled proposing the addition of new fields to XSLT's | |
| 16:24 | to cope with RDA and whatever metadata is missing on the XSLT's | |
| 16:25 | i want to say that i'm concerned about people relying on the shipped XSLTs | |
| 16:25 | for regular use | |
| 16:25 | so this changes would be a behaviour change for them | |
| 16:25 | probably a positive one | |
| 16:26 | but I heard several times that people prefered the non-XSLT view because it was "not as bloated as the XSLT view" | |
| 16:26 | mtompset | -- Shouldn't both views aim to be identical? |
| 16:26 | cait | hm i can see your point... but it woud be really easy to hide htings from the xslt if a library felt that way |
| 16:26 | mtompset: the normal view hasn't been maintained | |
| 16:26 | in forever. | |
| 16:27 | tcohen | deprecated since 2013 I think |
| 16:27 | mtompset | Ah. |
| 16:27 | * tcohen | just realised... this discussion is void... if we make field/subfield visibility work... damn |
| 16:27 | cait | we can easily help everyone who wants to to hide something... much harder to help adding something |
| 16:28 | also that yes | |
| 16:28 | tcohen | d*mn |
| 16:28 | mtompset | bug 10589? |
| 16:28 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10589 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Failed QA , Override OpacHiddenItems based on Patron Category |
| 16:28 | mtompset | Oops... bug 11592 |
| 16:28 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11592 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , opac detail scripts do not respect MARC tag visibility |
| 16:28 | mtompset | Is that what you are thinking, tcohen? |
| 16:29 | tcohen | mtompset: almost, my XSLT approach, but basically yes |
| 16:29 | #actions the RM won't argue about patches that add fields to XSLTs | |
| 16:29 | #action the RM won't argue about patches that add fields to XSLTs | |
| 16:30 | cait | #actions tcohen not to argue about patches that add fields to XSLTs |
| 16:30 | :P | |
| 16:30 | mtompset | Third time's a charm! :) |
| 16:30 | cait | remaining new features? |
| 16:30 | Joubu | tcohen: please stop to argue about patches that add fields to xslts |
| 16:30 | thd | Field subfield visibility is actually something which had been controlled at one time by arcane values set in the Koha MARC frameworks even for the OPAC. |
| 16:31 | cait | thd: the arcane values are nice checkboxes now - bu tit's not taken into account in a lot of places |
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| 16:31 | tcohen | thd: it is but needs some fices |
| 16:31 | cait | thd: we often export a COMPLETE marc record, including things like internal notes |
| 16:31 | tcohen | fixes |
| 16:31 | moving on | |
| 16:31 | "Remaining new features" | |
| 16:32 | thd | cait: Yes, I know that they are honoured more in the breach than the observance. |
| 16:32 | tcohen | i0d like to raise bug 10480, which is basically passed-qa |
| 16:32 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10480 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Improvements for framework plugins in cataloguing/item editor |
| 16:32 | tcohen | (i.e. signed by two QA team members) |
| 16:33 | Joubu: would you encourage another QA member to take a look? | |
| 16:33 | i see the value of the bug | |
| 16:34 | cait | that one is on me i think... i said i would, but time has been running away |
| 16:34 | my next big thing I need to work on for next week is the tax related patches | |
| 16:34 | and they will take time | |
| 16:34 | khall | cait: I can take that one on then |
| 16:34 | cait | thx khall :) |
| 16:34 | tcohen | khall++ |
| 16:34 | khall | np! |
| 16:35 | tcohen | thanks again, khall |
| 16:35 | and | |
| 16:35 | marcelr++ | |
| 16:36 | is anyone doing the REST API implementation present? | |
| 16:36 | Joubu | jajm_: ? |
| 16:37 | no | |
| 16:37 | cait | too late by now i think |
| 16:37 | Joubu | bug 13799 |
| 16:37 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13799 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add base for building RESTful API |
| 16:37 | tcohen | #actions cait will write Julian to ask him for a quick update to koha-devel about the status of the REST API implementation |
| 16:38 | cait | ah what? |
| 16:38 | wahanui | well, ah is that what goes after the last |
| 16:38 | khall | I've already emailed Julian to ask if he can followup on robin's comments |
| 16:38 | cait | ok, so maybe that's ok for now? |
| 16:39 | khall | I don't know, depends on if more requests are more motivating ; ) |
| 16:39 | tcohen | that's ok for now |
| 16:39 | Joubu | tcohen: all patches need signoffs :) |
| 16:39 | tcohen | ok |
| 16:39 | cait | i think we didn't agree on the terms |
| 16:39 | holds/reserves patrons/borrowers | |
| 16:40 | woudl be good to have a general guideline - going by the code or going by the gui | |
| 16:40 | tcohen | really? holds and borrowers |
| 16:40 | :-D | |
| 16:40 | * mtompset | notes that 'In Discussion' are beginning to be close to, if not exceed 'Needs Sign Off'. |
| 16:40 | khall | I'd like to see our internal terminology match our external terminology |
| 16:40 | tcohen | i'd like to make our internal terminology match the one we use externaly |
| 16:41 | * mtompset | agreed. |
| 16:41 | cait | we have members, borrowers, patrons... only consistent palce currently is the gui |
| 16:41 | tcohen | khall: you type faster than me |
| 16:41 | cait | i'd say new code should follow it |
| 16:41 | khall | the new object system gives us a chance to start making that move without radical searching and replacing |
| 16:41 | tcohen | ok, I need to end the meeting |
| 16:42 | a physical one requires me to leave, and I already missed lunch | |
| 16:42 | cait | should we info something? |
| 16:42 | thd | tcohen: Do we have a next meeting date? |
| 16:42 | cait | poor tcohen |
| 16:42 | tonight | |
| 16:42 | 22 utc | |
| 16:42 | tcohen | yup |
| 16:42 | thd | tcohen: Do we have a next meeting date for after today? |
| 16:42 | tcohen | thd, the week after the freeze |
| 16:42 | maybe wednesday too, same hours | |
| 16:42 | to check the remaining stuff for the release | |
| 16:43 | ok? | |
| 16:43 | i'm leaviiiiing pleaseeeeeeeee | |
| 16:43 | cait | makese sense to me |
| 16:43 | go :) | |
| 16:43 | tcohen | thanks |
| 16:43 | thd | :) |
| 16:43 | tcohen | thanks everyone for attending! |
| 16:43 | cait | #info next dev meeeting probably wednesday week after freeze - april 29 |
| 16:43 | thd | some should endmeeting. |
| 16:43 | cait | #endmeeting |
| 16:43 | Topic for #koha is now Nominations for 3.22-roles are open: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.22 | Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org | Code of conduct - http://koha-community.org/abou[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 16:43 | huginn` | Meeting ended Wed Apr 15 16:43:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 16:43 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-04-15-15.06.html | |
| 16:43 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]5-04-15-15.06.txt | |
| 16:43 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]15-15.06.log.html | |
| 16:43 | * cait | pushes tcohen out of channel |
| 16:44 | cait | bye all |
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| 16:46 | mtompset | @seen magnuse |
| 16:46 | huginn` | mtompset: magnuse was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 3 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <magnuse> bug 10181 |
| 16:47 | mtompset | anyone want a quick signoff, if you have your staff client plackified? :) |
| 16:48 | I've begun focusing on inventory related things. :) | |
| 16:49 | thd | mtompset: Do you have any specific suggestion for how a table for MARC framework like preferences to be added in more generic manner than could be done by merely extending the framework other than as a system preference? |
| 16:51 | mtompset | Not specifically, though the suggestion of adding a column, which would be mostly blank does seem easiest. |
| 16:51 | Though, if that is offensive to one's goal of normalization purity, you could create a default table keyed on the same things. | |
| 16:51 | (as the framework table) | |
| 16:52 | thd | mtompset: I mean to ask making an arbitrary table with some preferences for some good purpose is easy but what mechanism should be used for the user to set the preference other than system preference? |
| 16:52 | mtompset | When they add/edit the framework. |
| 16:52 | so the underlying can be different that the visible. | |
| 16:53 | Because this could affect more than just a single value. | |
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| 16:54 | mtompset | Default (leave blank for none): |
| 16:54 | thd | mtompset: I would like something which is more generic and thus not tied to frameworks except that a value_builder specified by the frameworks would use the value. |
| 16:55 | mtompset | Sounds like you'd want a whole new set of screens then. |
| 16:56 | Is there a screen to actually add a value_builder? | |
| 16:56 | thd | mtomset: That is also something I am trying to avoid :) |
| 16:56 | mtompset | Or is it auto-magically detected? |
| 16:56 | thd: You can't have your cake and eat it too, as the saying goes. :) | |
| 16:57 | thd | mtompset: There are user forms to create and edit Koha MARC frameworks but I do not trust those forms. |
| 16:57 | mtompset | thd: Neither do I. |
| 16:57 | They seem "broken but somehow work" to me. | |
| 16:58 | thd | I found the Koha user interface to be too buggy for real use. Directly inserting SQL is the only safe interface for frameworks. |
| 16:58 | mtompset | thd: That's not completely true. :P |
| 16:58 | The problem is sections which are used only for setup, tend to get ignored. | |
| 16:59 | Because people work around the problems, and forget to fix them. :) | |
| 17:00 | thd | mtompset: If I had to use the user interface to create MARC frameworks, Koha frameworks might still be as incomplete as they were in 2005 and everyone with full records would be losing data when some subfield was missing. |
| 17:01 | mtompset: We can display scary messages if they ignore setup settings :) | |
| 17:03 | mtompset: There is a validity check for system preferences. | |
| 17:05 | * mtompset | shrugs. |
| 17:05 | * thd | also tries to think of devious ways to push Koha along to be MARC agnostic enough to allow UNIMARC and MARC 21 to coexist in the same Koha database. |
| 17:05 | mtompset | Still don't like the syspref way thought. |
| 17:05 | thd: That would be a cool idea (co-existence of differing MARC types. | |
| 17:06 | thd | mtompset: That is a requirement for some libraries in Taiwan. |
| 17:07 | cait: Are you still here? | |
| 17:07 | mtompset | It seems reasonable to me, but what do I know? I'm not a library type. :) |
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| 17:32 | thd | Who knows what is currently not subject to translation for Koha? |
| 17:32 | cait: Are you back? | |
| 17:33 | cait | not really - i am cooking dinner |
| 17:33 | we don't translate .js files | |
| 17:33 | but everything in the templates... also the cataloguing plugin xml files are translated | |
| 17:34 | thd: pretty much everyting is translated - no bigger things missing | |
| 17:34 | thd | cait: What about value lists? |
| 17:36 | cait: For example, would we have a way to translate default values in the branches table or anything similar? | |
| 17:36 | cait | no |
| 17:36 | we don#t translate thing sin the database | |
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| 17:36 | cait | well |
| 17:36 | not automatically - we do have language specific installers | |
| 17:36 | thd | cait: After dinner, will you suggest a workaround for me? |
| 17:37 | cait | i am not sure what you want to do |
| 17:37 | database stuff usually is 'one language only' - and can be translated from the gui | |
| 17:37 | like item type descriptions or similar | |
| 17:38 | thd | cait: I want to create a table or something with country names and coded values and have the country names subject to translation. |
| 17:38 | cait: Yes, like itemtype descriptions. | |
| 17:41 | cait: Maybe a language specific installer is the only means which we have at the moment. | |
| 17:41 | cait | thd: hm or a yaml file |
| 17:42 | they won't change much - it's more a static list | |
| 17:42 | we translate yaml for the prefs for example | |
| 17:42 | i am not sure the database is the way to go there | |
| 17:43 | thd | cait: Yes, YAML would work and be appropriate for part of the use case if specified in system preferences currently. |
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| 17:50 | SCM | Hello. I'm wondering if there's any way to define the operating hours for my library. We're open on different times during different days. Without defining custom hours, patrons could run into problems with due dates. For example, they may check something out on Friday at 10 am. The item is due back in 24 hours. However, on Saturday we don't open until 12pm, so the item would be late. |
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| 18:20 | cait | SCM: sorry, currently there is no way to define opening times |
| 18:21 | only opening days | |
| 18:23 | SCM | OK, thanks for the response. I'm trying to think of a workaround for this issue. Is there a way to create a check-out alert that only appears on certain days? I could create an alert that only appears on Fridays that says "Staff: manually change the time due to an hour we are open." |
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| 18:27 | cait | SCM: there are alerts.... but you can't limit them to days |
| 18:27 | maybe you could do something with javascript - opacuserjs is a system preference that works with javascript jquery... | |
| 18:28 | we usually use that for all kind of tricks | |
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| 18:32 | SCM | Interesting. It looks like this page has more information: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/JQuery_Library |
| 18:33 | cait | yep, it has examples |
| 18:33 | jquery is pretty handy to do a lot of things - in many less lines than pure javascript | |
| 18:34 | hm the problem might be to trigger the change... because until you can the item it doesn't know it shoudl show a message | |
| 18:34 | maybe you could alert if a checkout happens witht he wrong due date | |
| 18:36 | SCM | That's one option. Is there any way to have jquery grab the current date and time? If a checkout happens during a window of time that presents a problem, it could show the appropriate alert. |
| 18:37 | cait | hm i'd dthink that could work |
| 18:37 | i think javascript can give you the time, so there is a way | |
| 18:38 | https://developer.mozilla.org/[…]obal_Objects/Date | |
| 18:38 | where are you from SCM? | |
| 18:39 | SCM | Awesome, thank you. I'm from the University of New Hampshire. I'm testing out Koha to see if it can be used to check-out video equipment and reserve time at workstations. |
| 18:41 | cait | ah |
| 18:41 | koa doesn't care much about times yet - more thining in days | |
| 18:41 | but might change, you never know with koha :) | |
| 19:29 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 19:29 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 15.8°C (9:29 PM CEST on April 15, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
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| 19:32 | wnickc | hi cait |
| 19:32 | cait | hi wnickc :) |
| 19:33 | wnickc | playing and testing what I can today, any particular bugs you want to see signed off before sprint? |
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| 19:41 | andreashm | hi all |
| 19:42 | cait | wnickc: thx for asking - sorry, getting distacted |
| 19:42 | i lost overview - just use your good judgement :) | |
| 19:42 | hi andreashm :) | |
| 19:43 | andreashm | hey cait! |
| 19:43 | wnickc | cait: will do, that question was open to anyone too! for now just picking what I like and can do |
| 19:44 | cait | sounds like the perfect plan :) |
| 19:45 | wnickc: i think there is a patch with changes to the about page - that would be a good starting point maybe | |
| 19:48 | andreashm | git, forever cursed be thy name! |
| 19:48 | * andreashm | is grumpy about not getting how git works and messing things up all the time. |
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| 19:52 | cait | andreashm: don't worry, it gets easier |
| 19:53 | andreashm | I don't get the difference between master and origin/master. (Trying to read up on it) |
| 19:54 | Also don't get why master and remote/origin/master have diverged and have different number of commits. | |
| 19:54 | cait: I hope your right. =) | |
| 19:54 | cait | you are doing great |
| 19:54 | don't worry | |
| 19:54 | ah | |
| 19:54 | i think master is your local branch | |
| 19:55 | and origin/master is the master branch on the koha git repository | |
| 19:55 | you probably applied patches to the master branch locally - that could be a reason | |
| 19:55 | origin = koha repository in that case | |
| 19:55 | andreashm | mmm, quite possibly. probably, even |
| 19:56 | cait | you can do a git reset --hard origin/master (while on your master branch) |
| 19:56 | and it will reset | |
| 19:56 | andreashm | thanks. |
| 19:57 | I still get a warning: refname 'origin/master' is ambiguous though. don't know where that comes from either | |
| 19:57 | cait | hm |
| 19:57 | magnuse | andreashm: i felt bit more clever after reading this book: https://pragprog.com/book/tsgi[…]control-using-git |
| 19:57 | cait | if you do git branch - is there an origin/master showing up? |
| 19:57 | andreashm | magnuse: thanks. |
| 19:58 | cait: yup | |
| 19:58 | cait | iiineresting |
| 19:58 | try git branch -D origin/master | |
| 19:58 | it lookslike you created a local branch with that name | |
| 19:59 | andreashm | wondering if it's connected to a git checkout -b master --track origin/master I did last week or so, and probably have messed with somehow since. |
| 19:59 | cait: oh. that would explain a lot. | |
| 20:00 | * andreashm | should probably order the book magnuse linked to |
| 20:01 | magnuse | i did read the one from o'reilly too, but i found that too focused on te internals of git, which are *really* confusing ;-) |
| 20:01 | wnickc | hmm...tried ot test 7143 and all changes are shwoing except for the timeline |
| 20:02 | magnuse | bug 7143 |
| 20:02 | wahanui | rumour has it bug 7143 is ready for an easy signoff |
| 20:02 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Bug for tracking changes to the about page |
| 20:03 | wnickc | nvm, docdir isn't changed on gitify |
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| 20:14 | andreashm | I can't apply bug 13517. is it just me, or something wrong with it? |
| 20:14 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13517 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Show waiting date on reserve/request.pl |
| 20:15 | magnuse | andreashm: do you get an error? |
| 20:16 | sometimes things change and break patches - then they get the "does not apply" status | |
| 20:16 | cait | also check the depends on |
| 20:16 | this depends on 13853 - so that needs to be applied first | |
| 20:16 | andreashm | cait: oh, missed that |
| 20:17 | cait | if you click on 'tree' you can see all the dependencies |
| 20:18 | andreashm | oh, there was quite a lot of them |
| 20:19 | cait | yeah it's a complicated one |
| 20:19 | * andreashm | seems to say oh a lot |
| 20:20 | will look for other, easier bugs to tinker with then | |
| 20:20 | andreashm | <------ allways going for the easy option. =) |
| 20:20 | magnuse | makes sense while you are getting your feet wet |
| 20:22 | misilot | has anyone ever gotten labels with different sizes (for example, a spine label, and a book label) to print? :) |
| 20:26 | cait | not actively using labels right now, sorry |
| 20:26 | misilot: hm i'd ask on the mailing list | |
| 20:26 | bigger audience :) | |
| 20:27 | misilot | cait: will try. I came across a bug report that's from 2011, saying it's not possible. Figured I would start here and work through the mailing list :) |
| 20:27 | thank you | |
| 21:02 | cait | @later tell khall bug 11084 needs a tiny follow-up |
| 21:02 | huginn` | cait: The operation succeeded. |
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| 21:12 | tcohen | hi |
| 21:12 | wahanui | kia ora, tcohen |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | hi |
| 21:21 | tcohen | hi wizzyrea |
| 21:25 | cait | hi wizzyrea hi tcohen |
| 21:25 | @later tell Joubu - can you take a quick look at my comment on bug 7976? | |
| 21:25 | huginn` | cait: The operation succeeded. |
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| 21:42 | cait | @later tell bag could you take a look at bug 13803 tomorrow? (sip from colin) |
| 21:42 | huginn` | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:42 | bag | ok |
| 21:42 | cait | ah hey :) |
| 21:42 | bag | bug 13803 |
| 21:42 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13803 minor, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , SelfCheck not setting flag when item requires transit |
| 21:44 | cait | hm going to turn into a pumkin soon... time to sleep |
| 21:46 | night all | |
| 21:46 | wahanui | goodnight cait. You'll be back. |
| 21:49 | jcamins | Does anyone have a link to that inaccurate FOSS ILS comparison handy? |
| 21:49 | cait | wnickc++ :) |
| 21:50 | wnickc | thanks! |
| 21:52 | tcohen | jcamins: google proposes Comparing Species through the Fossil Record |
| 21:52 | jcamins | tcohen: yeah, that's what I found, too. |
| 21:53 | I'll use the foss4lib comparison. | |
| 21:53 | (example of the importance of thinking critically about comparisons) | |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | oh you mean the sirsi/dynix whitepaper thing? |
| 21:53 | or the one lori ayre did between evergreen and koha? | |
| 21:53 | jcamins | Oh, that would be great to have too. |
| 21:53 | tcohen | wasnt it evergreenn's? |
| 21:53 | jcamins | I was thinking of Lori's. |
| 21:54 | wizzyrea | I probably have a copy of it in my gdocs :P |
| 21:54 | jcamins | No, EG was mischaracterized as well. |
| 21:54 | cait | hm i think i know |
| 21:55 | jcamins | Oh, the foss4lib one is the one that she did, just moved to a different domain than I was trying to find. |
| 21:55 | cait | can you share the link? |
| 21:55 | jcamins | http://ils.foss4lib.org/features |
| 21:55 | cait | ah ok, i htink that was the one i was thinking about too |
| 21:55 | * cait | can stop searching now |
| 21:55 | jcamins | :) |
| 21:56 | cait | ... an leave for real :) bye again |
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| 21:56 | wizzyrea | also it only goes up to 3.14 |
| 21:56 | so there's that. | |
| 21:56 | jcamins | A *perfect* example! |
| 21:57 | And it links to the wrong website. | |
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| 21:57 | cait | koha 3.14... oi |
| 21:57 | jcamins | cait? |
| 21:57 | wahanui | cait is very pale, and needs lots of sun lotion. |
| 21:57 | jcamins | cait? |
| 21:57 | wahanui | cait is from germany. Ask me about germany. |
| 21:57 | jcamins | cait? |
| 21:57 | wahanui | hmmm... cait is from germany. Ask me about germany. |
| 21:57 | jcamins | cait? |
| 21:57 | wahanui | cait is, like, working on a patch to make it possible to set the date individually - first step |
| 21:57 | jcamins | cait? |
| 21:57 | wahanui | i guess cait is lookign forward to the API discussion |
| 21:57 | jcamins | cait? |
| 21:57 | cait | yeyesyes |
| 21:57 | wahanui | i heard cait was happy about some example opacs :) |
| 21:57 | jcamins | Anyway, go to bed. |
| 21:57 | cait | 3.14 (2015)! it says! |
| 21:57 | jcamins | I know. |
| 21:57 | * cait | leaves |
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| 21:58 | tcohen | cait: we need you to chair! you'd do it fine this time! |
| 21:58 | jcamins | EG is up to 2.8 and has slower release cycles than Koha. |
| 21:58 | FWIW | |
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| 22:00 | wizzyrea | it would be a big job to keep up with the exact features of both |
| 22:01 | tcohen | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 2 |
| 22:01 | huginn` | Meeting started Wed Apr 15 22:01:59 2015 UTC. The chair is tcohen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 22:01 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 22:01 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 2) | |
| 22:01 | huginn` | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_15_april_2015___part_2' |
| 22:02 | tcohen | #topic Introductions |
| 22:02 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 22:02 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 2) | |
| 22:02 | tcohen | please introduce yourselves using #info name |
| 22:02 | just like wahanui did | |
| 22:02 | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Córdoba | |
| 22:03 | eythian, wizzyrea, rangi ? | |
| 22:03 | wizzyrea | #info Liz Rea, Catalyst IT |
| 22:03 | no rangi (away) or eythian (yet) | |
| 22:04 | tcohen | we'll wait then :-D |
| 22:04 | unless we can count as enough | |
| 22:04 | wizzyrea | hah |
| 22:04 | think it might be just you and me :) | |
| 22:05 | tcohen | ok |
| 22:05 | #topic RM 3.20 comments | |
| 22:05 | Topic for #koha is now RM 3.20 comments (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 2) | |
| 22:05 | tcohen | have you read the logs? |
| 22:05 | i basically apologize (again) | |
| 22:06 | wizzyrea | I hadn't - I will go do now |
| 22:06 | tcohen | and i've been (and will keep) using my office hours for RM duties |
| 22:06 | focused on bugfixes since last week | |
| 22:06 | and enhancements follow | |
| 22:06 | wizzyrea | yeah, I think we can all understand and be sympathetic to your situation there |
| 22:07 | tcohen | thanks |
| 22:07 | #info wizzyrea is sympathetic to tcohen | |
| 22:07 | LOL | |
| 22:07 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 22:08 | tcohen | #info: Freeze for 3.20: What's not passed QA by April 23nd, 9:10 Argentinian time... won't make it in |
| 22:08 | i set april 22nd as the cut for things to have the chance to get included | |
| 22:08 | wizzyrea | sensible |
| 22:09 | fwiw I have no opinion on moose, the others here might | |
| 22:09 | tcohen | as i will get to the office to get a screenshot of the pqa list at 9 am (ART) we shift to the next day |
| 22:09 | #info please let tcohen know if your feature needs attention to make it move, or have his opinion on the odds of it making into 3.20 | |
| 22:10 | #topic Bugs | |
| 22:10 | Topic for #koha is now Bugs (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 2) | |
| 22:10 | tcohen | on part 1 I proposed to approach fredericd about moving to Moo |
| 22:11 | khall asked people to give 13799 a chance to make it into 3.20 | |
| 22:12 | during part 1 we also talked about QueryParser | |
| 22:12 | which has issues that need to be addresed | |
| 22:13 | the question was wheter to put bugs that required not using QP on hold or not | |
| 22:13 | and we agreed QueryParser having a bug shouldn't prevent us from having the feature | |
| 22:13 | wizzyrea | simply for my information |
| 22:14 | tcohen | shoot |
| 22:14 | wizzyrea | is it more desirable to have QueryParser on |
| 22:14 | generally? | |
| 22:14 | because it could be a bit like the old "put it in bootstrap and backport it to prog" that we did for a while | |
| 22:15 | personally, I feel like we should work on the more advanced framework | |
| 22:15 | eythian | #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT |
| 22:15 | wizzyrea | and port features back |
| 22:15 | tcohen | QueryParser is a really good idea that we should be using more widely |
| 22:15 | wizzyrea | but that's just me |
| 22:15 | tcohen | but |
| 22:16 | people are afraid of getting into it to fix stuff | |
| 22:16 | wizzyrea | well then that's the problem that needs addressing, imo |
| 22:16 | tcohen | Jonathan basically found a bug on the PQF driver Koha uses |
| 22:16 | and we need to address that, correctly | |
| 22:16 | you are right | |
| 22:17 | i'll try to | |
| 22:17 | wizzyrea | because people won't change to the new hotness if we let them get by wearing the old sweatpants, if you know what I mean |
| 22:17 | tcohen | Joubu bets we won't be able to fix it on time |
| 22:17 | wizzyrea: I agree | |
| 22:17 | much people are conservative about how they use their daily tools | |
| 22:18 | anyway | |
| 22:18 | wizzyrea | that may be true, that we won't be able to fix it on time |
| 22:18 | but we mandated "features in bootstrap, back to prod" before, we could do it here too | |
| 22:18 | just something to think about | |
| 22:18 | tcohen | we agreed we should push the feature, and fill a bug for QueryParser |
| 22:19 | QueryParser is off by default, so it is expected that too little people are using it | |
| 22:19 | and that's because there are some outstanding bugs still | |
| 22:19 | wizzyrea | yeah, I think this instance is probably fine |
| 22:19 | tcohen | does HEA have information about that? |
| 22:19 | it could be handy this time :-D | |
| 22:19 | wizzyrea | if it's a syspref, probably |
| 22:20 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 22:20 | wizzyrea | http://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences > find in page QueryParser |
| 22:20 | 59 with it enabled? | |
| 22:20 | tcohen | 59 out of 63 have it disabled |
| 22:20 | 0 | |
| 22:20 | wizzyrea | other way round :) |
| 22:20 | tcohen | and the rest: undef :-F |
| 22:20 | wizzyrea | from what I said |
| 22:21 | that is, you're right | |
| 22:21 | so yeah, nobody who's submitted using that. | |
| 22:21 | :/ | |
| 22:21 | tcohen | so we are safe probably |
| 22:21 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 22:21 | eythian | My understanding is that QP had some bugs that would make it more or less not work if you turned it on. |
| 22:21 | * eythian | has been thinking about looking into it for ES work. |
| 22:21 | tcohen | that's almost true |
| 22:21 | wizzyrea | is it our intention to use it? |
| 22:22 | tcohen | things like "right truncation doesn't work as expected" |
| 22:22 | eythian | I have no intention, I just wanted to get a good feel for it to see how useful it is/would be. |
| 22:22 | tcohen | not things like "searches don't work" |
| 22:22 | eythian | ah, I thought it was closer to "not work" |
| 22:22 | thd | tcohen: Are certain that a similar bug does not affect QueryParser in Evergreen? |
| 22:22 | tcohen | i couldn't approach gmcharlt_ |
| 22:23 | but jcamins told me Evergreen has been using it for years | |
| 22:23 | without any problems | |
| 22:23 | so the issues are Koha specific | |
| 22:23 | and related to our PQF driver | |
| 22:23 | which narrows things a lot | |
| 22:23 | to put it clear (my opinion on QP) | |
| 22:24 | eythian | ok |
| 22:24 | tcohen | our search code is full of ad-hoc stuff noone knows what to expect from it |
| 22:24 | imean, you read a line and you know what it does | |
| 22:24 | but having the whole picture of all the border cases... difficult | |
| 22:24 | eythian | yes, it is. |
| 22:24 | tcohen | the idea about queryparser |
| 22:25 | is that it is an abstract query parser and translation engine | |
| 22:25 | configurable using a yaml file | |
| 22:25 | thd | tcohen: Could the problems have been present but unnoticed by Evergreen users? |
| 22:25 | eythian | which I though would be good to generate ES queries, eventually. |
| 22:25 | thd | ... or without complaint from Evergreen users even if noticed? |
| 22:25 | tcohen | the problem is that parse trees traversal and what to do with it is not trivial as a regular expression |
| 22:26 | eythian: yes, a ES driver should do the job | |
| 22:26 | thd: the problem jonathan mentioned today is trivial enough to make it clear they dont face it | |
| 22:27 | thd | I see problems everywhere I look but there are too many for me to have time to file bug reports about all of them ;) |
| 22:28 | tcohen | thd: are you using QP? |
| 22:28 | thd | tcohen: No. |
| 22:28 | tcohen | heh |
| 22:28 | this is jonathan's post to koha-devel | |
| 22:28 | explaining the bug http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]or-td5823170.html | |
| 22:28 | wizzyrea | my only point is that if we have btter tech, we should be looking to use it |
| 22:29 | tcohen | wizzyrea: we should |
| 22:29 | wizzyrea | and improve it |
| 22:29 | and not languish because it's more comfortable. | |
| 22:29 | that's all I'm getting at. | |
| 22:29 | tcohen | that's the right attitude |
| 22:29 | thd | wizzyrea++ |
| 22:29 | tcohen | wizzyrea++ |
| 22:30 | wizzyrea | unfortunately enforcing that comes from the top :/ |
| 22:30 | and that's an unpleasant thing. | |
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| 22:30 | tcohen | #info wizzyrea reminded us that the project evolves because of our commitment to do good stuff, not to let ourselves languish in favor of comfort |
| 22:31 | wizzyrea: but... we don't have a top! | |
| 22:32 | thd | In the early meeting, ColinC reported that he thought that QueryParser would break multiple system preferences as it is. |
| 22:32 | wizzyrea | I am certain that is true, it could be a goal of a future release to tidy all that up perhaps? |
| 22:33 | tcohen | there aren't *that many* open bugs for QueryParser |
| 22:33 | thd | The fault may be in the legacy query code which many people have had difficulty deciphering. |
| 22:33 | tcohen | but we definitely need someone to work on that |
| 22:33 | wizzyrea | or (sorry eythian) to make sure that the next iteration of searching in Koha doesn't have the same issues |
| 22:33 | tcohen | bug 12742 |
| 22:33 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12742 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Omnibus: QueryParser |
| 22:33 | wizzyrea | or rather, to learn from our mistakes |
| 22:34 | thd | tcohen: ColinC was reporting his suspicion for things which may not have been properly discovered and reported. |
| 22:34 | eythian | searching for ES will be pretty easy to replace with something better. |
| 22:35 | tcohen | eythian: that's awesome to hear |
| 22:35 | *read | |
| 22:35 | ok, we need to move on, unless eythian, wizzyrea, thd or rangi (if absent... beware) volunteers to work on QP | |
| 22:35 | eythian | at the moment, it's mostly compatibility layers with the C4::Search way anyway. |
| 22:36 | tcohen | eythian: on my work for a more reasonable way to filter data, i came with a Koha::Search::Result class (or something like that) |
| 22:36 | eythian | "filter data"? |
| 22:37 | tcohen | that only puts some stuff together (bitstream, metadata format, etc) |
| 22:37 | I think we should make broader use of Koha::RecordProcessor | |
| 22:37 | with Koha::Filter::* | |
| 22:38 | for example, if you need to apply a policy about fields/subfields visibility | |
| 22:38 | then have a filter that does that | |
| 22:38 | eythian | ah yep |
| 22:38 | tcohen | prepare data for display in results context, have a specific filter that applies the xslt, etc |
| 22:39 | eythian | yeah, build a filter chain |
| 22:39 | tcohen | and i wrote that tiny class that encapsulated both the bitstream, and the metadata format of the bitstream, thinking of having JSON data, etc... |
| 22:39 | eythian: you're damn right | |
| 22:40 | ok, diverted a lot | |
| 22:40 | moving on | |
| 22:40 | wizzyrea | <sorry> |
| 22:40 | <not sorry> | |
| 22:41 | tcohen | i was worried about the patches waiting for QA right now that introduce new fields on the XSLT |
| 22:41 | and we concluded that adding fields there is not a problem as long as they are not added to the frameworks and/or enabled for visibility | |
| 22:42 | wizzyrea | as long as the visibility rules are applying correctly, this is sensible to me. |
| 22:42 | eythian | yeah |
| 22:42 | wizzyrea | (as far as I know they are) |
| 22:42 | tcohen | wizzyrea: they aren't, but shhh |
| 22:42 | wizzyrea | hrmpn. |
| 22:43 | hrmph. | |
| 22:43 | tcohen | :-P |
| 22:43 | cait_not_here | hmpf |
| 22:43 | wizzyrea | ohh you got a double hmpf. |
| 22:43 | tcohen | they are, until someone has a regression test for that |
| 22:43 | :-P | |
| 22:44 | who's got the double? | |
| 22:44 | me? | |
| 22:44 | wahanui | hmmm... tcohen is 122 |
| 22:45 | tcohen | wahanui: tcohen is actually 123 |
| 22:45 | wahanui | ...but tcohen is obsessed with packages' scripts|122|obsessed with automated testing :)|king of the lab... |
| 22:45 | tcohen | ok |
| 22:45 | wizzyrea | you obsess a lot. |
| 22:45 | :) | |
| 22:45 | tcohen | i think we agree that if view policy is working, there's no problem adding fields to the xSLTs, right? |
| 22:46 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 22:46 | tcohen | great |
| 22:46 | on part one we mentioned bug 10480 | |
| 22:46 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10480 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Improvements for framework plugins in cataloguing/item editor |
| 22:46 | tcohen | that does an interesting job refactoring the cataloguing plugins code |
| 22:46 | adding wings to them | |
| 22:47 | i mentioned because (1) it looks great and (2) it had been signed by two QA members | |
| 22:47 | so the SO status was strange | |
| 22:47 | but Jonathan said he wanted more eyes on it | |
| 22:47 | and khall volunteered | |
| 22:47 | khall++ | |
| 22:48 | wizzyrea | khall++ |
| 22:49 | tcohen | #topic Big stuff we are working on |
| 22:49 | Topic for #koha is now Big stuff we are working on (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 15 April 2015 - part 2) | |
| 22:49 | tcohen | we talked a bit about the REST api implementation |
| 22:49 | because we needed to catch up | |
| 22:49 | eythian | I had a look at that yesterday, the dependencies are awkward and annoying |
| 22:49 | tcohen | jonathan mentioned the work on bug 13799 needs signoff |
| 22:49 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13799 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add base for building RESTful API |
| 22:50 | eythian | it's not near a state for signoff, imo |
| 22:50 | tcohen | and khall said he approached julian about some called "Robin"'s comments |
| 22:51 | eythian: you mean they are not in jessie? | |
| 22:51 | wizzyrea | he's a taskmaster, that packaging manager of ours. |
| 22:51 | eythian | they're not in anything |
| 22:51 | tcohen | :/ |
| 22:51 | eythian | they're not even in any unreleased version |
| 22:52 | wizzyrea | ^ this seems like perhaps not the best situation ever. |
| 22:52 | tcohen | mojolicious and swagger2 |
| 22:52 | eythian | older mojolicious is in debian, swagger2 isn't at all. |
| 22:53 | the next biggest issue is that the code has no documentation. | |
| 22:53 | * tcohen | hasn't had the time to take a look yet |
| 22:53 | bag | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/New_REST_API_RFC |
| 22:53 | eythian | but anyway, it's documented on the bug :) |
| 22:53 | (rather, my issues are documented on the bug) | |
| 22:54 | tcohen | but we agreed we don't need the latest mojolicious |
| 22:54 | eythian | tcohen: swagger2 declares that it depends on mojolicious 6.0 |
| 22:56 | * tcohen | is stuck |
| 22:56 | thd | eythian: Which code has no documentation? |
| 22:56 | tcohen | i couldn't find that dependency, but i will sure take a look at the office tomorrow |
| 22:56 | eythian | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]36705&action=diff <-- see for example the perl files here |
| 22:57 | tcohen | eythian: ok |
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| 22:57 | tcohen | i'm worried, but we'll sort it out, for sure |
| 22:57 | eythian | yeah |
| 22:58 | I'm having a quick go at building mojolicious 6, it might be that it's easy, but if it can't backport to wheezy, then that's simply not an option. | |
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| 22:59 | tcohen | ok, lets keep positive |
| 22:59 | wizzyrea | butterflies! |
| 22:59 | tcohen | khall nudged julian about those concerns |
| 22:59 | thd | eythian: Is jessie not forthcoming at the end of the month? |
| 23:00 | tcohen | we'll talk about that before the end of the week for sure |
| 23:00 | eythian | thd: it is |
| 23:01 | tcohen | jessie == systemd == unix is dead |
| 23:01 | </rant> | |
| 23:02 | ok | |
| 23:02 | anything else? | |
| 23:02 | eythian: about ES' | |
| 23:02 | eythian | squeeze is being shot in the head |
| 23:02 | come 3.20 | |
| 23:02 | * thd | in no hurry to discover jessie bugs. |
| 23:02 | tcohen | ah *that* |
| 23:02 | * eythian | decides unilaterally |
| 23:03 | tcohen | on the previous dev meeting we agreed that 3.20 wouldn't support Squeeze |
| 23:03 | wizzyrea | \o/ that was easy. |
| 23:03 | eythian | you did? |
| 23:03 | thd | eythian: Is squeeze not being maintained until 2016 even if not for Koha? |
| 23:03 | * eythian | can't find it in the logs |
| 23:03 | eythian | thd: it is |
| 23:03 | thd: but if you want to backport everything that newer koha wants, be my guest :) | |
| 23:04 | * tcohen | can't find them ,but is pretty sure |
| 23:04 | * thd | just wants to avoid upgrading some squeeze systems to wheezy too suddenly |
| 23:05 | tcohen | is it valid if the RM dreamed about a vote on something? |
| 23:05 | bag | yes |
| 23:05 | eythian | thd: wheezy was released nearly two years ago, you may need to refine your definition of sudden :) |
| 23:05 | tcohen | heh, thanks bag |
| 23:06 | wizzyrea | tcohen: maybe it was in the main meeting |
| 23:06 | bag | I seem to remember something about it too |
| 23:06 | wizzyrea | or after you closed the meeting. I don't see it in the logs but whatever. |
| 23:07 | thd | eythian: My definition is not being forced to do by the end of the month something which I should have done two years ago :) |
| 23:07 | eythian | thd: well, you'll only have to do it in order to upgrade to 3.20 anyway |
| 23:07 | support in 3.18 etc. will remain | |
| 23:08 | thd | eythian: I mean my non-Koha backup systems, etc. |
| 23:08 | tcohen | eythian: i'll send a new email about this to koha-devel, I think no one would disagree |
| 23:08 | eythian | ah right. If it's any consolation I have an 8.04 box still running. |
| 23:09 | * tcohen | too |
| 23:09 | eythian | tcohen: I was going to announce it on both lists to make sure everyone knows about it. |
| 23:09 | tcohen | ah, no 10.04 |
| 23:10 | go ahead | |
| 23:10 | eythian | cool. |
| 23:10 | tcohen | you could avoid the "unilateral" speech just in case |
| 23:11 | something more politically correct maybe? | |
| 23:11 | :-D | |
| 23:11 | eythian | oh sure |
| 23:12 | that's just for you people :) | |
| 23:12 | wizzyrea | "Hi, it's not possible or even reasonable to continue supporting squeeze, so we're not going to do it anymore. eom." |
| 23:12 | tcohen | the release notes will mention it too |
| 23:13 | eythian: go ahead | |
| 23:13 | eythian | cool |
| 23:13 | tcohen | we will blame you if something goes wrong about the announcement anywayu |
| 23:14 | ok | |
| 23:14 | moving on then | |
| 23:14 | as I said on part 1 | |
| 23:14 | cut date -> next wednesday | |
| 23:14 | eythian | wfm :) |
| 23:14 | tcohen | beta -> next weekend (after the cut) |
| 23:15 | next dev meeeting probably wednesday week after freeze - april 29 | |
| 23:15 | objections? | |
| 23:15 | eythian | tcohen: I'd really like to get you to have an eyeball over bug 13979 and put it in, btw. |
| 23:15 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13979 major, P1 - high, ---, robin, Signed Off , Packages uninstallable on Debian Jessie |
| 23:15 | tcohen | that gives us time to coordinate efforts toward stabilization if needed |
| 23:15 | thd | tcohen: What happens during Wed. before Wed. has ended? |
| 23:15 | * tcohen | adds it to his pocket |
| 23:16 | tcohen | thd: i don't follow you sorry |
| 23:17 | thd | tcohen: If something passes QA on Wednesday would it have a chance of qualifying? |
| 23:17 | tcohen | of course |
| 23:17 | thursday 9:10 am argentinian timezone is the actual cut | |
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| 23:18 | tcohen | :-P |
| 23:18 | thd | Wow, many hours of UTC time for those who can stay awake doing QA :) |
| 23:18 | tcohen | yeah |
| 23:19 | #info next dev meeeting probably wednesday week after freeze - april 29 | |
| 23:19 | any other thing? | |
| 23:20 | to talk about? | |
| 23:20 | eythian | ES is moving along. About to start on staff client |
| 23:20 | otherwsie, nothing to report from me | |
| 23:20 | thd | tcohen: Did we skip some items? |
| 23:20 | tcohen | eythian: awesome! |
| 23:20 | wahanui | That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, tcohen |
| 23:20 | bag | yes good news |
| 23:20 | wahanui | good news is it looks like it's running properly. |
| 23:20 | tcohen | thd: i think we skipped the country of production positions talk |
| 23:21 | wizzyrea | production positions? |
| 23:21 | tcohen | the item was |
| 23:21 | Language and country fixed size field positions: MARC flavour-specific vs. a general approach (Bug 13912) | |
| 23:21 | thd | tcohen: That is fine, I had an idea about how to keep it with the frameworks without putting it in the frameworks. |
| 23:21 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13912 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , System preference for default place of publication (country code) for field 008, range 15-17 |
| 23:22 | tcohen | *ublication |
| 23:22 | is it failed? | |
| 23:23 | thd | tcohen: It passed but I toggled the state in ignorance of the correct procedure when adding my comments this morning. |
| 23:23 | tcohen | wizzyrea: my question was wheter that kind of sysprefs could be set framework-wise, and in a MARC-dialect agnostic way |
| 23:23 | wizzyrea | aha |
| 23:24 | thd | Additional problem is having any associated value list translatable. |
| 23:24 | tcohen | right |
| 23:25 | ok, i'll finish the meeting now, i need to leave and you can keep discussing it if you want to | |
| 23:25 | thd | I have the idea of setting a preference per Koha MARC framework without storing the value in the framework itself. |
| 23:25 | tcohen | how would you do it? |
| 23:26 | thd | Maybe as a system preference but called for each bibliographic framework. |
| 23:27 | tcohen | thd: i think we should discuss it on a bug or RFC |
| 23:27 | thd | cait mentioned that YAML for system preferences is being translated. |
| 23:27 | tcohen: It certainly needs some more careful consideration. | |
| 23:28 | tcohen | i need to take care of home stuff (i've just arrived and it is 20:30 already) |
| 23:28 | so | |
| 23:28 | thanks everyone for your time and ideas/opinions | |
| 23:28 | we'll do this more often | |
| 23:28 | again | |
| 23:28 | :-D | |
| 23:28 | eythian | later |
| 23:28 | tcohen | #endmeeting |
| 23:28 | Topic for #koha is now Nominations for 3.22-roles are open: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.22 | Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org | Code of conduct - http://koha-community.org/abou[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 23:28 | huginn` | Meeting ended Wed Apr 15 23:28:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 23:28 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-04-15-22.01.html | |
| 23:28 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]5-04-15-22.01.txt | |
| 23:28 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]15-22.01.log.html | |
| 23:28 | wizzyrea | thanks tcohen, enjoy the rest of your evening |
| 23:29 | thd | eythian: ES? |
| 23:29 | wahanui | ES is pretty awesome |
| 23:29 | eythian | thd: elasticsearch |
| 23:29 | wahanui | elasticsearch is, like, mosying along. I really ought to break out the bits I've had to build to support it, like Koha::Biblio and such |
| 23:29 | thd | ;) |
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