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| 02:00 | rangi | https://twitter.com/kohails/st[…]85601901972082688 |
| 02:00 | i think maybe we dont need to pick up all the nexpress updates :) | |
| 02:01 | but ill help find them if they want to fly me over :) | |
| 02:01 | @later tell tcohen definitely if we can find a time that suits all 3 of us | |
| 02:01 | huginn` | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 02:08 | eythian | goodness, no branches have had any change since yesterday. Everyone must be on holiday. |
| 02:13 | wizzyrea | lol. |
| 02:14 | cdickinson joined #koha | |
| 02:16 | eythian | https://youtu.be/sP-9SnG6g4E <-- holy crap, is that ever a cover version |
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| 03:41 | Francesca joined #koha | |
| 03:42 | * Francesca | waves |
| 03:42 | wizzyrea | hey Francesca |
| 03:42 | wahanui | I love the 11th doctor! |
| 03:42 | eythian | Hi Francesca. cdickinson is at your desk. |
| 03:43 | cdickinson | I thought this desk was put in for me... oh well |
| 03:43 | Francesca | I'm at home so no worries |
| 03:43 | is rangi around | |
| 03:43 | cdickinson | No, unfortunately, he had to leave cause one of his kids was sick |
| 03:44 | Francesca | ok |
| 03:44 | I might flick him an email | |
| 03:45 | I'm on midterm break at the moment so lots of spare time | |
| 03:46 | cdickinson | midterm break for uni? So am I, though I really don't have spare time haha |
| 03:47 | Francesca | yeah I've got a few assignments I should do |
| 03:48 | what are you studying? | |
| 03:48 | cdickinson | Network Engineering, 4th year |
| 03:48 | going to be working on Koha as part of my honours project | |
| 03:49 | Francesca | cool |
| 03:49 | I just do some volunteer part time work for koha | |
| 03:49 | I'm studying music studies, first year in a BMus | |
| 03:50 | eythian | Francesca is making the soundtrack for the project... |
| 03:51 | dcook | :D |
| 03:51 | Francesca | lol |
| 03:51 | wizzyrea | and making our various web properties pretty. |
| 03:51 | Francesca | hey dcook |
| 03:52 | Making websites look pretty is fun | |
| 03:52 | cdickinson | lol |
| 03:52 | Francesca | I don't take any IT papers at uni, gotta keep my skills up somehow |
| 03:52 | cdickinson | at least I'd know her soundtrack would be nice, cause getting into music at Vic is super competitive :P |
| 03:53 | Francesca | lol yeah it is |
| 03:53 | but I'm not taking performance | |
| 03:54 | cdickinson | what are you doing, then? |
| 03:54 | * cdickinson | assumed that's what people take music for... |
| 03:54 | Francesca | music studies |
| 03:54 | So just general theory papers, music history papers | |
| 03:55 | cdickinson | oh, okay |
| 03:55 | Francesca | I wanted to do performance though |
| 03:55 | just didn't get in | |
| 03:55 | cdickinson | ;-; |
| 03:55 | well, you got in at all, that is an achievement | |
| 03:55 | a couple of my engineering mates tried and failed | |
| 03:56 | Francesca | it is really hard |
| 03:56 | and I was going for classical voice which is one of the hardest | |
| 03:57 | dcook | hey Francesca :) |
| 03:57 | * dcook | is a bit slow thanks to many uncooperative Tomcat instances... |
| 03:58 | cdickinson | wow, I can't imagine, but yeah, I'll take your word for it |
| 03:58 | still keeping up with that, though? | |
| 03:58 | Francesca | yup |
| 03:58 | I sing with Orpheus | |
| 03:58 | and have voice and piano lessons outside of uni | |
| 03:59 | eythian | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zLcaS76OtM <-- this Orpheus? |
| 04:00 | Francesca | nope |
| 04:01 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgVPm1vdWeQ this one | |
| 04:01 | cdickinson | oh, cool |
| 04:02 | eythian | that is fairly different to Nick Cave |
| 04:02 | Francesca | lol yeah |
| 04:02 | * Francesca | doesn't know who nick cave is |
| 04:03 | cdickinson | November 19, damn, wasn't in town on that day, cause I would have seen it otherwise |
| 04:04 | Francesca | I only joined this year so I wasn't invloved |
| 04:04 | I was singing with my high schools auditioned choir before that | |
| 04:06 | cdickinson | ah, right |
| 04:07 | but that is really awesome though, good luck with all that | |
| 04:07 | Francesca | thanks |
| 04:09 | cdickinson | meanwhile I'll just sit here and get up to speed with Koha and everything haha |
| 04:10 | Francesca | lol, I'll go and find another website to pretty up |
| 04:14 | wizzyrea | actually Francesca |
| 04:14 | I had a thought | |
| 04:14 | Francesca | ok |
| 04:14 | wizzyrea | about something in Koha you could look at |
| 04:14 | Francesca | ok |
| 04:14 | wizzyrea | 1s |
| 04:14 | Francesca | hold on |
| 04:15 | gotta start my vm | |
| 04:15 | wizzyrea | bug 11574, he asked for the staff client and I gave him the OPAC (ok, that was dumb of me) |
| 04:15 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11574 normal, P5 - low, ---, liz, Passed QA , Clean up printing of lists in OPAC |
| 04:15 | wizzyrea | but it might not be terribly hard to do a similar thing for the lists in the intranet |
| 04:15 | it's mostly CSS and adding display: none; type things | |
| 04:16 | to the print.css (and/or creating the print css for that page) | |
| 04:16 | Francesca | hmmm i could fix that |
| 04:16 | wizzyrea | we'll want to make a new bug, and link it to that one |
| 04:16 | Francesca | and do a print stylesheet as well |
| 04:16 | wizzyrea | yeah, exactly |
| 04:16 | have a think about it | |
| 04:16 | or a go, if you're feeling like it | |
| 04:17 | Francesca | I think I could do it |
| 04:17 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
| 04:17 | Francesca | I've just started my vm up |
| 04:17 | wizzyrea | you can use what I did on 11574 as an example |
| 04:18 | or what mark ended up doing | |
| 04:18 | francesca_ joined #koha | |
| 04:18 | * francesca_ | waves |
| 04:18 | cdickinson | for a second I thought your Internet died |
| 04:18 | francesca_ | got my vm up and running now so I can work on ubuntu |
| 04:18 | cdickinson | but then you're not on ADSL2+ like I am |
| 04:19 | francesca_ | yeah well my main operating system is mac os x |
| 04:19 | cdickinson | :P |
| 04:19 | I have no preference, really | |
| 04:20 | my main on my PC is Windows because PC games, and have everything else as VMs because dual-booting is a pain | |
| 04:20 | francesca_ | actually dont have a txt editor on here so i might switch back to mac |
| 04:20 | wizzyrea | gedit? |
| 04:20 | wahanui | gedit is that like vi |
| 04:21 | francesca_ | can't zoom in |
| 04:21 | cdickinson | gedit is the GNOME environment's default text editor |
| 04:21 | eythian | you probably have a dozen text editors on there |
| 04:21 | francesca_ | i have brackets on mac |
| 04:21 | so I can just use that | |
| 04:21 | cdickinson | zooming in? can't you change the DPI on Ubuntu? :P |
| 04:22 | wizzyrea | pft. be nice. |
| 04:22 | eythian | you can certainly change the font size in gedit. |
| 04:22 | Francesca | I'm just blind |
| 04:23 | well nt really | |
| 04:23 | just got bad eye sight | |
| 04:23 | cdickinson | gedit can be a little hard to find what you need |
| 04:23 | in terms of settings | |
| 04:25 | Francesca | so what webpage am I looking at? |
| 04:25 | wizzyrea | well you'll have to have a running koha, I can possibly show you on the demo though |
| 04:25 | Francesca | oh |
| 04:26 | I don't have a running koha | |
| 04:26 | wizzyrea | well that's your step 1 :) |
| 04:26 | cdickinson | hehe |
| 04:26 | wizzyrea | Francesca: this will probably look a bit familiar |
| 04:26 | https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify | |
| 04:27 | you'd do that inside your VM | |
| 04:27 | Francesca | yup |
| 04:27 | * Francesca | goes to start up the vm again |
| 04:28 | wizzyrea | http://demo-intra.mykoha.co.nz[…]es.pl?viewshelf=3 < when you click "print list" that is the interface he's talking about. |
| 04:29 | user: staff pass: staff1 | |
| 04:29 | what I usually do, is print the output to PDF. In Ubuntu, you do that by | |
| 04:29 | selecting "Print to file" as your printer | |
| 04:29 | it'll spit out a pdf. | |
| 04:30 | Francesca | yup ok |
| 04:30 | Just switching to my vm now | |
| 04:30 | wizzyrea | yep nw |
| 04:30 | francesca_ joined #koha | |
| 04:30 | francesca_ | right can't see all that stuff in here |
| 04:31 | * francesca_ | switches back to mac for links |
| 04:38 | Francesca | my internet doesn't appear to work in the vm |
| 04:38 | is it possible to do the stuff on a mac | |
| 04:38 | cdickinson | but francesca_ is online? |
| 04:38 | or did you make another VM? | |
| 04:39 | wizzyrea | Francesca: you can try doing it with the kohadevbox |
| 04:39 | Francesca | whats the kohadevbox? |
| 04:39 | wahanui | i think the kohadevbox is at https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox |
| 04:39 | wizzyrea | https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox |
| 04:40 | note I have no idea if anyone has tried with osx yet. | |
| 04:40 | eythian | it would be terrible |
| 04:41 | Francesca | the vm is acting up |
| 04:41 | wizzyrea | yeah just close it out ;) |
| 04:41 | eythian | You know how it's tricky on redhat? OSX is 1000x worse for getting things installed. |
| 04:41 | wizzyrea | maybe a job for one day when you can come in |
| 04:41 | for a vagrant VM? | |
| 04:41 | Francesca | I can come in anytime |
| 04:41 | wizzyrea | there's a build for osx :P |
| 04:42 | Francesca | on midterm break at the moment so free pretty much every day |
| 04:42 | wizzyrea | ah cool |
| 04:42 | Francesca | I might look at different vm software |
| 04:42 | virtual box is very slow | |
| 04:42 | wizzyrea | well no, don't do thatl. |
| 04:42 | Francesca | ok |
| 04:42 | eythian | virtualbox shouldn't be slow |
| 04:43 | wizzyrea | we'll get you sorted out :) |
| 04:43 | just maybe not over chat. | |
| 04:44 | Francesca | well I'm pretty much free for the next 2 weeks |
| 04:44 | so I can come when it suits you | |
| 04:44 | wizzyrea | hm maybe Friday afternoon? |
| 04:45 | Francesca | yup |
| 04:45 | thats fine | |
| 04:45 | wizzyrea | cooool |
| 04:45 | * Francesca | has been distracted by the arrival of a wet kitten |
| 04:45 | cdickinson | after the bug is fixed, beer o'clock :p |
| 04:46 | Francesca | cool |
| 04:46 | my cat is now trying to eat the zipper off my jacket | |
| 04:48 | wizzyrea: any particular time on friday afternoon? | |
| 04:48 | wizzyrea: any time in particular on friday afternoon | |
| 04:48 | whoops | |
| 04:48 | wizzyrea | I don't have a preference :) |
| 04:48 | Francesca | sweet |
| 04:48 | wizzyrea | I hope for quiet friday afternoons, generally. |
| 04:48 | Francesca | I'll just stick my head in after lunch maybe |
| 04:48 | don't blame you | |
| 04:48 | wizzyrea | yeah that'd do :) |
| 04:49 | Francesca | one of my cats has now completely cuddled up inside my raincoat |
| 04:49 | cdickinson | problem? |
| 04:49 | wahanui | problem is probably it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. |
| 04:49 | Francesca | They're not generally allowed to do that |
| 04:50 | wizzyrea: I've done print styles before so the bug shouldn't be too hard | |
| 04:50 | wizzyrea | sweet :D |
| 04:50 | Francesca | my raincoat is alive |
| 04:50 | wizzyrea | naughty kitty. |
| 04:51 | cdickinson | in this weather, it might be better if it was, active protection from rain x_x |
| 04:51 | Francesca | I've been putting up lots of photos of the cats on fb recently |
| 04:51 | lol yeah | |
| 04:51 | I'm inside however | |
| 04:52 | right well I'll see you all on friday | |
| 04:53 | cdickinson I look forward to meeting you | |
| 04:53 | wizzyrea | cya :) |
| 04:53 | cdickinson | Sounds good, me too, see you on Friday :) |
| 04:54 | * Francesca | waves goodbye |
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| 05:02 | dcook | Hmm, maybe it's just me, but HTTP::OAI looks like it might have some changes in Perl 5.20... |
| 05:03 | eythian | but it isn't core... |
| 05:03 | dcook | Well, I should say something it relies on seems to have changed |
| 05:04 | Hmm, but I don't think that thing is core either | |
| 05:04 | This OAI harvester was working fine before this upgrade... | |
| 05:05 | eythian | hmm ok |
| 05:05 | that surprises me | |
| 05:05 | does the module pass its tests? | |
| 05:05 | dcook | Which? The one I made or the HTTP::OAI one? |
| 05:05 | Well, obviously not mine.. | |
| 05:05 | eythian | http::oai |
| 05:05 | wahanui | it has been said that http::oai is pretty bare bones |
| 05:05 | * dcook | goes and takes a look |
| 05:06 | eythian | though, according to the doc it's a stub |
| 05:06 | dcook | Yeah, HTTP::OAI has an interesting structure.. |
| 05:07 | Hmm, I don't even know where the tests would be | |
| 05:08 | I think CPAN is missing a lot of info as well.. | |
| 05:09 | The error I'm getting at the moment is: Can't locate object method "responseDate" via package "HTTP::Headers" at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.20.1/HTTP/Message.pm line 644 | |
| 05:10 | Which means either I screwed up somewhere or HTTP::OAI is screwing up somewhere, me thinks | |
| 05:10 | I think we've upgraded HTTP::OAI versions and that's already thrown up one thing that was my mistake | |
| 05:15 | Oh man... it looks like HTTP::OAI::Harvester isn't happy with something... | |
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| 05:16 | dcook | But when it gets an error it returns a HTTP::Response object rather than a HTTP::OAI::ListRecords object like it's supposed to... |
| 05:21 | Actually, maybe it is supposed to return a HTTP::Response object... it's just not documented... and I didn't handle that error properly | |
| 05:21 | Still shouldn't be making an error in the first place though.. | |
| 05:25 | eythian: might you know which version of HTTP::OAI do the packages use? | |
| 05:26 | eythian | https://packages.debian.org/se[…]e=all§ion=all |
| 05:26 | dcook | I'll have to double-check but I think Koha's OAI server might not work with HTTP::OAI version 4.03 |
| 05:26 | Had a feeling it be version 3. Hmm.. | |
| 05:27 | Actually, 3.23 and 3.27 are older than what's on CPAN as well. Interesting.. | |
| 05:27 | eythian | well debian doesn't update the versions within a release |
| 05:27 | so it probably sat at 3.27 for a while, and it was grabbed by jessie | |
| 05:27 | dcook | With good reason |
| 05:30 | * dcook | wishes that time grew on tree in his office |
| 05:31 | eythian | heh |
| 05:32 | dcook | Yes, HTTP::OAI 4.03 seems to cripple Koha's OAI server |
| 05:33 | Lovely :D | |
| 05:33 | eythian | goody |
| 05:33 | dcook | Let's see how fast I can work up a fix :p |
| 05:33 | Error message: Can't call method "start_element" on an undefined value at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.20.1/HTTP/OAI/Verb.pm line 53. | |
| 05:33 | O_O | |
| 05:33 | Well, when you put it like that... | |
| 05:36 | Hmm, I can do this.. | |
| 05:40 | wth... | |
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| 05:40 | dcook | Ahh wait.. |
| 05:40 | yo cait | |
| 05:40 | eythian | hi cait |
| 05:40 | go back to bed | |
| 05:40 | wahanui | http://33.media.tumblr.com/b34[…]9rdlo1_r2_400.gif |
| 05:41 | dcook | yes, go back to bed... preferably back in time! |
| 05:41 | eythian | http://v.theonion.com/onionstu[…]ideo/1063/640.mp4 <-- a GoPro on a sparrow |
| 05:43 | dcook | What the ever living... |
| 05:43 | This module makes no sense :S | |
| 05:43 | and no documentation... | |
| 05:43 | * dcook | 's brain may explode |
| 05:44 | dcook | Or rather, the documentation is for the old version |
| 05:45 | eythian | ug that's annoying |
| 05:45 | dcook | Profoundly |
| 05:45 | The documentation says to use "$r->generate;" | |
| 05:45 | Unless I'm looking in the wrong spot.. | |
| 05:45 | It seems to expect "$r->generate($driver);" now | |
| 05:46 | Or rather... requires $driver.. | |
| 05:46 | * dcook | has no idea what $driver is supposed to be |
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| 05:55 | dcook | Good call, eythian |
| 05:56 | Looks like someone ran the tests for 4.03 and is getting the same error | |
| 05:56 | eythian | ah good |
| 05:56 | dcook | Although it looks like the test for 4.03 are also not so great either |
| 05:56 | eythian | that's possibly related to why it's not in Debian then, if it doesn't pass the tests it doesn't build. |
| 05:56 | dcook | Makes sense |
| 05:56 | 3.28 was all right, but 4.03... yeesh | |
| 05:59 | Actually, it might be that 4.03 is more strict in quite a few cases | |
| 05:59 | I think that we might have implemented the module incorrectly in some spots | |
| 06:01 | eythian | time for me to go, later |
| 06:02 | dcook | laters |
| 06:10 | Wow... these HTTP::OAI tests are horrible | |
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| 06:24 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:28 | dcook | hola magnuse |
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| 06:39 | magnuse | hiya dcook |
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| 06:43 | dcook | @later tell eythian Just ended up downgrading from 4.03 to 3.28 in the end, as 4.03 seems to not at all be production ready... |
| 06:43 | huginn` | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
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| 06:49 | dcook | Whelp, at least I know that I wasn't the problem :p |
| 06:58 | magnuse | dcook: HTTP::OAI? |
| 06:58 | wahanui | HTTP::OAI is pretty bare bones |
| 07:00 | dcook | magnuse: Yep |
| 07:00 | It's a set of modules that are used to create the OAI server | |
| 07:00 | (Also what I use for the OAI client/harvester which is how I first noticed problems...) | |
| 07:02 | Version 4.03 makes things explode :( | |
| 07:03 | akafred | wizzyrea: You wrote "It's worth noting that clearing the cache, cookies, and sessions should be standard procedure after *every* upgrade for every staff interface user." That sounds a bit ... wow. Why? |
| 07:03 | dcook | akafred: The cache because of cached CSS and Javascript |
| 07:04 | It can screw things up for major upgrades | |
| 07:04 | Of course, that's why some folks append query strings to their CSS and Javascript which is tied to their version to force cache updates... | |
| 07:04 | * dcook | might submit that patch someday |
| 07:04 | dcook | Similar reasoning for cookies and sessions I'm sure. The structure of each might've changed with the version upgrade, so it makes sense to wipe them with the upgrade |
| 07:04 | * dcook | retreats back into the shadows |
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| 07:10 | ashimema | morning |
| 07:11 | magnuse | kia ora ashimema |
| 07:11 | dcook | hey ashimema |
| 07:11 | wahanui | i guess ashimema is on qa now .) |
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| 07:12 | magnuse | meeting in slightly less than 12 hours, if i am not mistaken: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting_8_April_2015 |
| 07:12 | bonjour fridolin | |
| 07:12 | fridolin | bonjour tout le monde |
| 07:12 | dcook | salut fridolin |
| 07:12 | ashimema | I'm all done in on meetings at the minute.. |
| 07:12 | BobB | That will be 5am here magnuse. I will be an apology. :) |
| 07:12 | ashimema | must have spent 9 hours or so on the phone yesterday all in all.. |
| 07:13 | too many tc's | |
| 07:13 | fridolin | I just come out from a day at the hospital so I a bit sleepy |
| 07:14 | nothing big, just had a ankle broken | |
| 07:16 | akafred | Hm. Seems mod_expires can be used: debian/templates/apache_shared.conf contains: <IfModule mod_expires.c>ExpiresByType application/javascript "access plus 12 hours"... But that still leaves the cookies. |
| 07:16 | fridolin: Ouch! | |
| 07:18 | dcook | fridolin: Hope you're feeling slightly better today! |
| 07:18 | fridolin | yep |
| 07:18 | magnuse | fridolin: ouch! hope it mends well! |
| 07:18 | fridolin | thanks ;) |
| 07:19 | ashimema | yikes.. hope that heals nice for you |
| 07:19 | magnuse | ashimema: "tc's"? |
| 07:19 | fridolin | It was a local anastesia on one leg |
| 07:19 | ashimema | tc's = 'tele-conferances' |
| 07:19 | dcook | akafred: Interesting. I don't know if I've encountered that one. I've seen a few cases where things like that aren't always honoured by browsers |
| 07:19 | ashimema | i.e. telephone meetings |
| 07:20 | * dcook | needs to head home! |
| 07:20 | dcook | also to clone myself so one of us can stay at work |
| 07:21 | magnuse | ashimema: ta |
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| 07:21 | akafred | Requiring users to delete cookies and cache routinely on upgrades is kinda ... harsh. |
| 07:22 | dcook | Well, it's certainly suboptimal in my books :) |
| 07:22 | We usually have to get them to clear their cache on major upgrades though | |
| 07:22 | Actually, the mod_expires might be problematic when their are proxy servers in the way as well | |
| 07:23 | We have a few hospitals with some heavy duty cacheing that can be tough to beat without using query strings on the CSS and Javascript... | |
| 07:26 | I've never seen a problem with not clearing cookies or sessions though I don't think... | |
| 07:26 | Or nothing too glaring if they did exist | |
| 07:26 | akafred | ... which is why one usually use the cache-control-header along side the expiry header. |
| 07:27 | * dcook | shrugs |
| 07:27 | dcook | I call 'em like I see 'em :p |
| 07:28 | Anyway, I'm off | |
| 07:28 | night all | |
| 07:28 | wahanui | goodnight dcook. You'll be back. |
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| 08:22 | Joubu | Could we get a signoff on bug 13936 please? It's a critical and a patch is sent for 1 week now |
| 08:22 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13936 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Fix patrons search on using the checkout tab |
| 08:23 | nlegrand | Hey #koha |
| 08:24 | cait | hi nlegrand |
| 08:24 | yeah in general - some bugs need sign off people! | |
| 08:24 | and the one joubu points out is a good start - bug 13936 | |
| 08:25 | nlegrand | :) |
| 08:25 | I'm ok to try it | |
| 08:25 | cait | :) |
| 08:25 | Joubu | it's really easy to test and confirm the issue :) |
| 08:26 | nlegrand | Joubu: ho that's a bit why I proposed to do it ^^ |
| 08:26 | cait | nlegrand: it's a good tactics - grab the easy ones before someone else does ;) |
| 08:30 | nlegrand | ^^ |
| 08:30 | cait: shhhhhhh | |
| 08:30 | Joubu: done :) | |
| 08:30 | Joubu | nlegrand: thanks! |
| 08:31 | nlegrand: you forgot your signoff line | |
| 08:31 | signoff-by | |
| 08:31 | nlegrand | oups |
| 08:33 | cait | nlegrand: i have another easy one |
| 08:33 | nlegrand | Joubu: it should be better now |
| 08:33 | cait: :) ok | |
| 08:33 | Joubu | yep! |
| 08:33 | cait | bug 13957 |
| 08:33 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13957 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Patron autocomplete shows NULL in list of results |
| 08:33 | cait | same area |
| 08:33 | kind of - just the circulation tab this time :) | |
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| 08:56 | magnuse | nlegrand++ |
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| 09:15 | cait | any ideas why my overdue notice wouldn't print? |
| 09:15 | ooh, got an idea | |
| 09:17 | hm that's didn't fix it :( | |
| 09:17 | I have an overdue item - due date yesterday, my notice trigger is set to 1 as delay... no holidays in the calendar, running the overdues script with -t | |
| 09:22 | Joubu | cait: a print notice? |
| 09:23 | no error? try with the verbose flag | |
| 09:25 | cait | i think it might be because email was not checked - in the triggers |
| 09:26 | it works on our other installations, just my test installation is stubborn | |
| 09:26 | Joubu | cait: you have to check at least 1 mtt |
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| 09:28 | nlegrand | re |
| 09:28 | cait | yep i think that was the problem, cross fingers :) |
| 09:28 | nlegrand++ :) | |
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| 09:29 | nlegrand | :) |
| 09:29 | I messed around some more with bug 13957 but it's signed off ^^ | |
| 09:29 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13957 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Patron autocomplete shows NULL in list of results |
| 09:30 | cait | Joubu: that was exactly the problem- finally got my overdue notice out :) |
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| 10:59 | khall | mornin all! |
| 11:18 | magnuse | kia ora khall |
| 11:18 | khall | mornin magnuse! |
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| 11:57 | mario | Morning khall |
| 11:58 | khall | mornin! |
| 12:02 | mario | morning barton |
| 12:03 | barton | morning mario! |
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| 12:15 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 12:16 | cait: maybe something that uses http://perldoc.perl.org/Net/SMTP.html then | |
| 12:29 | cait | tcohen: huh? |
| 12:32 | tcohen | about SMTH authentication |
| 12:32 | P | |
| 12:32 | :P | |
| 12:35 | cait | not sure i get it :) but you can probably forget about my later too |
| 12:35 | it was just something i fell over reseraching | |
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| 12:50 | tcohen | morning paul_p |
| 12:50 | paul_p | hi tcohen (& others) |
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| 13:23 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 13:25 | tcohen | hi drojf |
| 13:27 | drojf | hi tcohen. still quiet around here? |
| 13:27 | tcohen | yup, it seems |
| 13:29 | drojf | there is a meeting today, right? |
| 13:29 | ah found it http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting_8_April_2015 | |
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| 13:34 | tcohen | is julian fiol around? |
| 13:34 | Jul? | |
| 13:35 | Jul | tcohen : Yes ? |
| 13:36 | tcohen | i commented on bug 13940 |
| 13:36 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13940 trivial, P5 - low, ---, julian.fiol, Failed QA , Testing C4::OAI::Sets |
| 13:36 | * cait | waves at drojf |
| 13:37 | tcohen | tiny and simple fixes needed |
| 13:37 | drojf | hi cait :) |
| 13:37 | tcohen | Jul: ok? |
| 13:38 | Jul | tcohen : Ok thanks, i'm coming to see that |
| 13:38 | tcohen | just add a followup with (QA followup) on the subject, i'll sign and push it |
| 13:41 | Joubu: bug 13497 | |
| 13:41 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13497 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , The pref AddPatronLists should be removed |
| 13:42 | Joubu | tcohen: yep? |
| 13:42 | wahanui | yep. |
| 13:42 | tcohen | what are we breaking? |
| 13:44 | Joubu | hum? |
| 13:44 | I hope nothing :) | |
| 13:57 | fridolin | Does someone use "Keyword to MARC mapping" to customize ?* |
| 13:57 | Could we consider it is obsolete ? | |
| 14:01 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13879: Fix sort on patron search (guarantor and linked to orders) <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9adfa18559de03a21> / Bug 13923: The prefetch used on existing constraint <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]79cfc6327a3c3d420> / Bug 13850: Fix typo in C4::Ris <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]?p=koha.git;a=com |
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| 14:12 | tcohen | khall: could you please attach a patch with fixed pod for the sysprefs package bug? need to calm mtompset down |
| 14:12 | khall | absolutely! |
| 14:12 | tcohen | i mean, have a constructive exchange on the bug instead of grumpy comments |
| 14:12 | i'm sorry for that | |
| 14:12 | khall | np! I should have caught that |
| 14:15 | chris_n | khall++ # for getting the ball rolling |
| 14:15 | tcohen | khall++ |
| 14:16 | cait | fridolin: it's still in use - the keyword supported is SUBTITLE i think |
| 14:16 | fridolin: it should be in quite a few places in the code | |
| 14:20 | fridolin | thanks cait |
| 14:20 | cant we replace this by a classic "Koha to marc mapping" ? | |
| 14:26 | khall | for what it's worth, I have no problem changing the namespace of Koha::SysPref. I just hope we can agree on something without *too* much debate ; ) |
| 14:27 | I think Koha::Config::SysPrefs seems just fine. | |
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| 14:31 | cait | fridolin: not really - it's a display thing that is framework specific |
| 14:31 | fridolin: why do you want to kill it? | |
| 14:32 | khall: koha::Admin::Sysprefs maybe? | |
| 14:32 | ignore capitalization | |
| 14:32 | khall | ahh! More choices! ; ) |
| 14:32 | cait | administration? |
| 14:32 | i haven't read the bug mail today yet, so not sure what i am getting myself into :) | |
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| 14:36 | khall | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_paralysis |
| 14:39 | tcohen | call for dev meeting? |
| 14:40 | Joubu | khall: imo Koha::Config::SysPrefs is perfect |
| 14:41 | khall | yeah, I like it |
| 14:41 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7561: Redirect to the add items form if it's a fast cataloging <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]36931d96dfabcce4d> / ug 7561: Fast cataloging - Allow add/edit items and delete record <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]41b06bdfa635b1f07> / Bug 8246: Allow deleting record if no more items <http://git.koha-community |
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| 14:47 | * tcohen | likes 7561! |
| 14:56 | cait | bug 7561 |
| 14:56 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7561 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , cannot fast catalog with fast cataloging permissions |
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| 15:10 | chris_n | bug 13967 |
| 15:10 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13967 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , System preferences need a package |
| 15:12 | * chris_n | doesn't really care what its call so long as it works better than what is currently in place ;-) |
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| 15:13 | Joubu | tcohen: maybe bug 9978 would be a good candidate for 3.20 |
| 15:13 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9978 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Update GNU licenses header in Koha files from GPL2 to GPL3 |
| 15:14 | tcohen | sure! |
| 15:16 | TGoat | Koha .. if anyone sees that druthb_away has entered the room and can remember will you please ask her to contact Todd @ ByWater @ 775-335-7940. I'd really appreciate it :D I'll create another @later for her. Thank you! |
| 15:17 | tcohen | I'd also like the Koha::Version patch |
| 15:17 | cait | TGoat: maybe try emailing her if you haven't yet? |
| 15:17 | TGoat | @later tell druthb druthb_away .. Please contact Todd Goatley-Seals @ ByWater. Call 775-335-7940. Thanks! |
| 15:17 | huginn` | TGoat: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:18 | cait | in order to get her laters she needs to say something in channel |
| 15:18 | TGoat | I like huggin better :D |
| 15:18 | cait | just logging in probably won't do it |
| 15:21 | * chris_n | goes off on a transient sign-off tangent |
| 15:23 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11239 - show hour of due date in history circulation <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fed2d34d148d9ffd3> / Bug 13882: Tidy t/Borrower.t to fix whitespace errors <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]42faa6fffcbdbeeee> / Bug 13882 : Adding new unit tests in t/Borrower.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.g |
| 15:32 | cait | bug 13919 - would be good to get a sign off |
| 15:32 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13919 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Renewal possible with item level hold on item |
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| 18:03 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13896: (QA followup) fix koha-{stop|restart}-zebra too <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e113bacb779b9f91d> / Bug 13875: Columns configuration - Allow underscore in table name <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2ae8faaf8fcfe6654> / Bug 13864: Fix height for Colvis entries <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=k |
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| 18:38 | tcohen | is there any unimarc people around? |
| 18:39 | thd | tcohen: What do you need to know about UNIMARC? |
| 18:39 | tcohen | i'm looking at bug 13912 |
| 18:39 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13912 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , System preference for default place of publication (country code) for field 008, range 15-17 |
| 18:39 | tcohen | i don't like the solution |
| 18:39 | and I know "we've done that before" (i.e. for language positions) | |
| 18:41 | i'd like a dialect-gnostic solution | |
| 18:41 | so I was thinking of propsing it be done framework-wise | |
| 18:41 | thd | tcohen: How would you prefer a default country code be specified? |
| 18:42 | tcohen | for example, adding more options when editing a framework |
| 18:42 | we currently have fw code (e.g. BKS) and description (e.g. Books, Booklets, Workbooks) | |
| 18:42 | thd | tcohen: Do you mean via a plugin specified by the framework? |
| 18:42 | tcohen | we could have some stuff that is shared between dialects |
| 18:43 | like default main language, default country, etc | |
| 18:43 | thd | tcohen: What do you mean by "shared between dialects"? |
| 18:43 | tcohen | heh |
| 18:43 | thd | tcohen: Do you mean shared between MARC21, UNIMARC, etc.? |
| 18:44 | tcohen | if unimarc has a fixed position on some field that correlates to 008 15-17 |
| 18:44 | cait | hm not sure about per framework |
| 18:44 | tcohen | then have a more general "default country"ç |
| 18:44 | framework-wise :-P | |
| 18:45 | ideas? | |
| 18:45 | wahanui | ideas are good :) |
| 18:45 | thd | tcohen: There is no provision within the Koha MARC frameworks to specify a default value for anything. |
| 18:45 | tcohen | cait: people cataloguing student thesis might want german as default, and english for book |
| 18:45 | thd: i know | |
| 18:45 | cait | hm we have a default value |
| 18:46 | in the frameworks | |
| 18:46 | woudl that work here? | |
| 18:46 | did we try? | |
| 18:46 | tcohen | thd: i'm thinking if we could easily extend it |
| 18:46 | * thd | now understands what tcohen wants. |
| 18:46 | tcohen | cait: don't know what you're talking about |
| 18:46 | cait | you can set subfields and also control fields to a defualt value in the framework |
| 18:47 | tcohen | thd: idiomatic issues, as usual :-D |
| 18:47 | cait | i wonder why we need the pref - maybe the plugin is interfering? |
| 18:47 | or it's not needed? | |
| 18:47 | i am not sure i understand, i better try to sort my brain before the meeting | |
| 18:47 | tcohen | cait: it works for subfields |
| 18:48 | thd | Koha MARC frameworks can currently specify plugins and value lists. |
| 18:48 | tcohen | but we are talking about fixed lenght fields |
| 18:48 | cait | i have done that too |
| 18:48 | i think | |
| 18:48 | tcohen | cait: don't hack your own koha to do nasty things |
| 18:49 | thd: does it make any sense? | |
| 18:50 | i'm not sure how much would be shared between dialects | |
| 18:50 | thd | tcohen: A framework specific plugin could be modified to use default values contextually. A new column might be needed to specify the default value for the framework. |
| 18:50 | * cait | didn't hack anything |
| 18:50 | tcohen | thd: that's what I was thinking |
| 18:50 | cait | i think i am missign something here |
| 18:50 | tcohen | cait: you put a default value for all your positions |
| 18:50 | cait | what do we want to do that is currently not possible? |
| 18:51 | tcohen | cait: bug 13912 |
| 18:51 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13912 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , System preference for default place of publication (country code) for field 008, range 15-17 |
| 18:51 | tcohen | we already have DefaultLanguageField008 |
| 18:52 | my fear is that if we accept this kind of features we would leave unimarc behind | |
| 18:52 | feature-wise | |
| 18:53 | like it happened with the XSLT funtionalities | |
| 18:53 | (at some point) | |
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| 18:53 | thd | A solution using existing features might be to populate some value lists and have a Koha MARC framework specified plugin use an appropriate value list with containing one element or an ordered set with a default. |
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| 18:55 | thd | tcohen: Certainly features should be created in MARC semantics [Koha marcflavor] agnostic manner. |
| 18:55 | Joubu | (or put $("#f15-17").val("XXX"); into the js pref ...) |
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| 18:56 | tcohen | Joubu: librarians don't (usually, there are exceptions) have your super powers |
| 18:56 | cait | hm ok, can't send email, can't get records from z39.50... after people changed security settings |
| 18:56 | tcohen | .-P |
| 18:56 | thd | Joubu: Certainly, however, modifying the plugin directly would be less accessible to non-programmer cataloguers. |
| 18:56 | tcohen | ^^^ that |
| 18:56 | heh | |
| 18:56 | cait | i like Joubu's |
| 18:57 | Joubu | thd: not in the plugin, in the js pref |
| 18:57 | cait | and we have a jquery library :) |
| 18:57 | Joubu | thd: a tip could be added to the wiki |
| 18:58 | it's not a good solution, I know. But better than a pref per subdivision of the 008 field... | |
| 18:58 | thd | Joubu: Is there a form to control input and prevent breaking the JavaScript preference? |
| 18:59 | tcohen | maybe we should re-engineer the plugins, so they expose their fixed lenght fields to the fw edit tool |
| 18:59 | Joubu | there are no check on prefs |
| 18:59 | thd | We should teach all Koha cataloguers to code and all Koha programmer's to catalogue :) |
| 19:00 | Joubu | and what about add the support of regex in the fw default values? |
| 19:00 | Certainly quite tricky... | |
| 19:00 | cait | i think we should have the meeting? :) |
| 19:00 | thd | Is there a meeting now? |
| 19:01 | cait | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting_8_April_2015 |
| 19:01 | Joubu | default value for 008 would be "?????? xxu???????eng" |
| 19:01 | cait | unless my calculations are wrong... wouldn't be the first time |
| 19:01 | Joubu | I get a lot of silly idea tonight |
| 19:01 | cait | no reminder on the mailing list - we miss oleonard |
| 19:01 | maybe someone could send a quick note now? | |
| 19:02 | thd | I checked for a reminder last time and thus did not send my own but forgot to look this time. |
| 19:02 | cait | so... meeting? now? :) |
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| 19:03 | thd | cait: The mailing list is moderated somewhat. There are no quick reminders to the mailing list unless you have the attention of a moderator. |
| 19:03 | cait | hm in my experience it's pretty fast |
| 19:03 | i think only moderated if not subscribed | |
| 19:04 | tcohen | Joubu: we need to talk to users to come up with the best ideas me think |
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| 19:04 | cait | anyway |
| 19:04 | we should begin? | |
| 19:04 | Teejay | #info Tunji Adepeju Projektlink Konsult, Nigeria |
| 19:04 | cait | Teejay: one sec please :) |
| 19:04 | thd | Hmmm, cait maybe you should send a reminder if your posts appear in real time. |
| 19:05 | cait | #startmeeting General IRC meeting 8 April 2015 |
| 19:05 | huginn` | Meeting started Wed Apr 8 19:05:19 2015 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 19:05 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 19:05 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 8 April 2015) | |
| 19:05 | huginn` | The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_8_april_2015' |
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| 19:05 | thd | Teejay: someone needs to issue the startmeeting command. |
| 19:05 | cait | #introductions |
| 19:05 | ah sorry | |
| 19:05 | #topic Introductions | |
| 19:05 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 19:05 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 8 April 2015) | |
| 19:05 | cait | please introduce yourself with #info |
| 19:05 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba |
| 19:05 | khall | #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions |
| 19:05 | slef | #info MJ Ray, software.coop, England |
| 19:05 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 19:06 | ColinC | #info Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe |
| 19:06 | talljoy | #info Joy Nelson, ByWater Solutions |
| 19:06 | drojf | #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany, almost asleep |
| 19:06 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [nolonger freezing] |
| 19:06 | JesseM | #info Jesse Maseto ByWater Solutions |
| 19:06 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre |
| 19:06 | akafred | #info Kjetil "Fred" JD, OPL, Norway |
| 19:07 | cait | drojf: it's only 9! |
| 19:07 | Teejay | #info Tunji Adepeju Projektlink Konsult, Nigeria |
| 19:07 | magnuse | #info Magnus Enger. Libriotech. Norway |
| 19:07 | barton | #info Barton Chittenden, Bywater Solutions, Louisville, KY, USA |
| 19:07 | drojf | cait: that does not help :D |
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| 19:08 | larryb | #info Larry Baerveldt, ByWater Solutions |
| 19:08 | cait | ok :) |
| 19:08 | changing topic | |
| 19:08 | tcohen | agenda? |
| 19:08 | wahanui | agenda is a wiki |
| 19:09 | cait | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting_8_April_2015 |
| 19:09 | #topic Announcements | |
| 19:09 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 8 April 2015) | |
| 19:09 | * barton | is getting visited randomly by the reboot fairy. If I disappear, it is because he/she/it is having fun at my expense. |
| 19:10 | khall | I've got a couple announcements |
| 19:10 | cait | :) |
| 19:10 | khall | First, Brendan wanted me to extend his apologies to everyone for not being able to be here today. He's out sick. |
| 19:11 | cait | oh, hope he feels better soon |
| 19:11 | tcohen | oh |
| 19:11 | magnuse | get well soon, bag! |
| 19:11 | khall | The second one is that I started a gofundme to help out Tomas: http://www.gofundme.com/TomasNeedsALaptop |
| 19:12 | This was done without his prior consent or knowlege ; ) | |
| 19:12 | If anyone can chip in, I'm sure it would be appriciated! | |
| 19:12 | cait | khall++ |
| 19:13 | tcohen | i love you folks, i'm still crying at the office, embarrased |
| 19:13 | cait | something else? :) |
| 19:13 | khall | I just let him know a few minutes ago, I didn't want to surprise him *that* much |
| 19:13 | magnuse | khall++ |
| 19:14 | tcohen | thanks guys |
| 19:14 | khall | Many of us ByWater folks have already chipped in. Thanks to everyone who's donated so far! |
| 19:14 | talljoy | :-D we love you tcohen |
| 19:15 | cait | we do :) |
| 19:15 | i should do infos, bad chair | |
| 19:15 | #info khall started a gofundme to help Tomas buy a new laptop: http://www.gofundme.com/TomasNeedsALaptop | |
| 19:16 | #info apologies from bag for not being able to attend | |
| 19:16 | moving on? | |
| 19:16 | #topic Updates on releases | |
| 19:16 | Topic for #koha is now Updates on releases (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 8 April 2015) | |
| 19:16 | cait | i notice i put my proposal in the wrong line :) |
| 19:17 | * cait | fixes that |
| 19:17 | cait | something 3.16 or 3.18? |
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| 19:17 | cait | i think our release maintainers are not here for those 2? |
| 19:17 | tcohen | 3.20 is in good shape so far, I expect to resume pushing features and enhancements tomorrow |
| 19:18 | magnuse | tcohen++ |
| 19:18 | tcohen | i'm calling for a dev meeting next wednesday |
| 19:18 | cait | tcohen++ |
| 19:18 | tcohen | to make a couple decisions |
| 19:18 | cait | 15th? |
| 19:18 | wahanui | hmmm... 15th is your fault... |
| 19:18 | cait | #info 3.20 is in good shape, tcohen is going to push more patches tomorrow |
| 19:18 | tcohen | and also coordinate efforts towards making important stuff in in time |
| 19:19 | Joubu | tcohen: Did you create the wiki page yet? |
| 19:19 | with the topics you want to discuss | |
| 19:19 | tcohen | no, I'm doing it on the Trello |
| 19:19 | cait | can i info a date and time? :) |
| 19:19 | akafred | ... and a trello link |
| 19:19 | tcohen | it would be a two sessions meeting |
| 19:20 | i haven't put things there yet :-D | |
| 19:20 | here goes the link | |
| 19:20 | https://trello.com/b/dxasepwb/dev-meetings-topics | |
| 19:22 | cait | #info Developer meeting, Wednesday, 15 April https://trello.com/b/dxasepwb/dev-meetings-topics |
| 19:23 | rangi | only sorta here |
| 19:23 | dealing with kids | |
| 19:23 | tcohen | will update the wiki for the email list announcement |
| 19:23 | hi rangi | |
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| 19:23 | cait | ok |
| 19:23 | rangi | nothing much to report about 3.18, 3.18.6 is shaping up fine, quite a few good fixes in it, string freeze on the 15th as normal |
| 19:23 | cait | #action tcohen will update the wiki about the dev meeting |
| 19:24 | rangi++ | |
| 19:24 | tcohen | rangi++ |
| 19:24 | cait | tcohen++ |
| 19:24 | khall | rangi++ |
| 19:24 | cait | ok, I have 2 things |
| 19:24 | one of the 'bottlenecks' in qa are the sip related patches | |
| 19:25 | to improve the situation a bit, I suggest that can ColinC can also pass QA on SIP related patches | |
| 19:25 | he has been QA manager in the past - i think he knows what to do :) | |
| 19:25 | tcohen | if he's not around, it is the right time to make this decision |
| 19:25 | akafred | :) |
| 19:26 | talljoy | heh |
| 19:26 | khall | lol |
| 19:26 | rangi | we can decide that if he wants to we are ok with it |
| 19:26 | cait | it's ok with him- he said :) |
| 19:26 | ColinC | I'm ok with it |
| 19:26 | akafred | ColinC++ |
| 19:26 | cait | ColinC++ |
| 19:26 | tcohen | ColinC++ |
| 19:26 | cait | thx a lot :) |
| 19:26 | khall | ColinC++ |
| 19:26 | cait | khall: I DID check with him before ;) |
| 19:26 | talljoy | ColinC++ |
| 19:26 | cait | hehe |
| 19:27 | khall | do first, permission later, that's my motto |
| 19:27 | magnuse | ColinC++ |
| 19:27 | cait | heh |
| 19:27 | so i think we can have that as agreed? :) | |
| 19:27 | thd | What are the times of the devel meeting on the 15th? |
| 19:27 | cait | or does someone insist on a formal vote? |
| 19:28 | tcohen | thd: 15 UTC and 22 UTC as usual |
| 19:28 | Joubu | That's a good thing, I think only khall knows the SIP code in the QAers... |
| 19:28 | tcohen | unless this time works for kiwis |
| 19:29 | rangi | yeah the 22UTC one is ok |
| 19:29 | cait | #ageed ColinC is now able to Pass QA on SIP related patches - thx ColinC! |
| 19:29 | tcohen | =D |
| 19:29 | * rangi | is out again |
| 19:30 | cait | #info Times for the Dev meeting are 15 and 22 UTC |
| 19:30 | moving on? | |
| 19:30 | Joubu | still in the announcements? |
| 19:30 | cait | nope update on releases |
| 19:30 | Joubu | I submited quite a few bugfixes for old bugs (#<7000) last week. |
| 19:30 | cait | aaaah thx Joubu |
| 19:30 | Joubu | Most of them are trivial to test/qa. It could be very good to see them ready for 3.20 |
| 19:31 | this is related to release, isn't it? | |
| 19:31 | cait | yep |
| 19:31 | actually that was kind of my second thing :) | |
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| 19:31 | cait | #info Lots of bugfixes for old bugs <#7000 are waiting for sign off - please help get them into 3.20 |
| 19:32 | Joubu++ | |
| 19:32 | tcohen | Joubu++ |
| 19:32 | cait | it's awesome to see those old one finally bite the dust |
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| 19:32 | tcohen | should we have a saved search for those? |
| 19:32 | cait | in general the 'needs sign off' queue has grown quite a bit again since marseille |
| 19:32 | we had it down to about 100 | |
| 19:32 | magnuse | Joubu++ |
| 19:32 | cait | and we are up to almost 170 again |
| 19:32 | magnuse | i think it was at 99, briefly |
| 19:32 | cait | 47 bug fixes |
| 19:33 | Joubu | I think you can filter by NSO + not enh and not ft + author=me |
| 19:33 | tcohen | good |
| 19:33 | magnuse | would a bug squashing day motivate anyone? |
| 19:33 | cait | please make time |
| 19:33 | one bug a day.. or every other day... that would help a lot | |
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| 19:33 | cait | actually.. that's my third thing :) |
| 19:34 | tcohen | magnuse: please :-D |
| 19:34 | cait | we are going to have a "QA sprint" or "QA day" friday next week - 17 April |
| 19:34 | I am going to send an email to the mailing list | |
| 19:34 | so the mission for that is... fill up our queue! | |
| 19:34 | well... our mission is to empty it out, but I hope for many sign offs before :) | |
| 19:35 | #info The QA team is going to have a 'QA sprint/QA day' on April 17 - mailing list email coming soon | |
| 19:35 | #action cait to send an email to the mailing list about the QA event | |
| 19:35 | magnuse: gbsd? | |
| 19:35 | wahanui | i heard gbsd was Global Bug Squashing Day - http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day |
| 19:36 | magnuse | i can organize a gbsd if people want - but should it be before or after the qa sprint? |
| 19:37 | Joubu | before |
| 19:37 | tcohen | magnuse: next monday? |
| 19:37 | cait | hmm not sure, maybe before? |
| 19:37 | tcohen | so we fill their queue |
| 19:37 | magnuse | monday 13th? |
| 19:37 | khall | if that's enough time I say go for it! |
| 19:38 | Joubu | bugfixes in the NSO queue is http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]eeds%20Signoff%20[bugs]&query_format=advanced&v1=enhancement&v2=new%20feature |
| 19:38 | magnuse | ok, i'll announce it tomorrow |
| 19:38 | Joubu | sorry for the ugly link... |
| 19:39 | cait | #info bug fixes that need sign off http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]eeds%20Signoff%20[bugs]&query_format=advanced&v1=enhancement&v2=new%20feature |
| 19:39 | wonder if the minutes will explode now :) | |
| 19:39 | can in #info the gbsd? | |
| 19:39 | khall | heh |
| 19:39 | magnuse | feel free :-) |
| 19:40 | cait | #info GBSD on Monday April 13 |
| 19:40 | ok,moving on to nominations? | |
| 19:40 | tcohen | yup |
| 19:41 | cait | #topic Nominations for 3.22 |
| 19:41 | Topic for #koha is now Nominations for 3.22 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 8 April 2015) | |
| 19:42 | cait | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.22 |
| 19:42 | elections are going to be held at the next regular meeting i think - may | |
| 19:43 | lots of people have already signed up, thx everyone! | |
| 19:43 | thd | I am about to add a reordered version of my previous revised proposal for wiki curator, http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]20_Thomas_Dukleth . |
| 19:43 | tcohen | yeah, thanks everyone |
| 19:44 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13939: ILS-DI function GetServices doesn't work when the item/biblio is available... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]667fb489bea6343f9> / Bug 13800 - Diacritics not mapped <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b465467cffd032169> / Bug 6950: Hide the resort option when searching for a tag <http://git.koha-community. |
| 19:44 | cait | we are missing a translation manager currently, rmaint 3.16 and RM |
| 19:44 | ssh huginn | |
| 19:45 | thd | One wiki issue for an immutable category assignment is stumping me and I will ask about it on the mailing lists. |
| 19:46 | tcohen | I need to leave, sorry for that |
| 19:46 | cait | but i think we will find volunteers to fill those roles |
| 19:46 | tcohen | will read the logs! |
| 19:46 | and thanks, everyone | |
| 19:46 | cait | #info release team shaping up - still looking for translation manager, rmaint 3.16 and RM |
| 19:47 | anything else here? | |
| 19:48 | #topic KohaCon15 | |
| 19:48 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon15 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 8 April 2015) | |
| 19:48 | cait | Teejay: still around? |
| 19:48 | Teejay | Yes |
| 19:49 | We are expecting response to Call for Papers | |
| 19:49 | cait | #info Call for papers - http://kohacon15.projektlinkko[…]/call-for-papers/ |
| 19:50 | Teejay | Nigerian Librarians are already registering for the conference |
| 19:50 | talljoy | yay!! |
| 19:50 | cait | :) |
| 19:51 | Teejay | Early registration by International participants will allow for Visa processing |
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| 19:52 | cait | Teejay: do you know how long the visa process usually takes? |
| 19:52 | Teejay | Say about a month |
| 19:53 | cait | #info international participants should register early to allow for enough time for visa processing |
| 19:53 | anything else should add to the meeting logs? | |
| 19:54 | Teejay | Other arrangements are progressing |
| 19:55 | cait | thx for giving us an update :) |
| 19:55 | moving on? | |
| 19:55 | Teejay | Thank you so much |
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| 19:56 | cait | #topic KohaCon16 |
| 19:56 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon16 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 8 April 2015) | |
| 19:56 | cait | drojf: ? |
| 19:56 | actually not sure - i thought we had set dates | |
| 19:56 | does someone have a link? | |
| 19:56 | date for proposals i mean | |
| 19:57 | #info from last meeting's logs: AGREED: solicit Kohacon16 bids in April, with voting in September (slef, 10:43:22) | |
| 19:57 | thd | They were in the last meeting. |
| 19:57 | cait | not sure solicit = stat? |
| 19:57 | start | |
| 19:58 | thd | I intend to create a page and put a call on the mailing list at the beginning of the week. |
| 19:58 | cait | thx thx |
| 19:58 | thx thd | |
| 19:58 | #action thd to put a call for bids on the mailing list at the beginning of next week | |
| 19:59 | next topic? | |
| 19:59 | wahanui | i heard next topic was a tricky one... |
| 19:59 | cait | #topic Next steps in Fundraising |
| 19:59 | Topic for #koha is now Next steps in Fundraising (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 8 April 2015) | |
| 19:59 | cait | is someone here to talk about the progress on this? |
| 20:00 | talljoy | khall? |
| 20:00 | wahanui | khall is volunteering to come over and fix it for you, it seems. ;) |
| 20:00 | khall | lol |
| 20:00 | I know that there have been 4 volunteers | |
| 20:01 | cait | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising |
| 20:01 | khall | Brendan believe this is enough to get things moving and he's glad to have everyone on board! |
| 20:02 | cait | #info we got 4 volunteers! |
| 20:02 | magnuse | yay! |
| 20:03 | cait | khall: do you know of the mou signing has been done? |
| 20:03 | khall | I'm afraid I'm not aware of that one way or the other |
| 20:03 | cait | np :) |
| 20:03 | moving on? | |
| 20:04 | #topic Actions from last meeting | |
| 20:04 | Topic for #koha is now Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 8 April 2015) | |
| 20:04 | khall | If everyone approves of the names on the list, bag will tall for a meeting next week to get the committee moving forward |
| 20:04 | cait | I see on the logs from last meeting: |
| 20:04 | mtj and slef to backport bug 12954 if no-one does it faster | |
| 20:04 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12954 is not accessible. |
| 20:05 | cait | someone to fix typo on http://koha-community.org/koha-3-18-4-released/ |
| 20:05 | first hasn't been done yet, but rmaints might hold it until shortly before release, not sure | |
| 20:05 | khall | cait: would a vote of approval be appropriate? |
| 20:05 | cait | the second... i don't remember what it was about |
| 20:06 | khall: ah sorry, we can switch the topic back in a moment | |
| 20:06 | khall | np! |
| 20:06 | cait | does someone remember the typo? :) |
| 20:07 | ok | |
| 20:07 | we will just consider it done i guess :) | |
| 20:07 | #Topic Next steps in Fundraising | |
| 20:07 | Topic for #koha is now Next steps in Fundraising (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 8 April 2015) | |
| 20:07 | davidnind | http://meetings.koha-community[…]11-10.02.log.html 10:15:53 |
| 20:07 | Joubu | cait: I think it was a typo on the bug number 12954 |
| 20:07 | cait | quick survey - do people agree to have a vote? |
| 20:07 | Joubu | it seems to be fixed |
| 20:08 | cait | thx Joubu |
| 20:08 | davidnind | this has been fixed |
| 20:08 | cait | khall: is this just general agreement to the names listed so far? |
| 20:08 | khall | yes |
| 20:08 | cait | any veto on having a vote? |
| 20:08 | and does someone remember the command? :) | |
| 20:08 | thx davidnind :) | |
| 20:09 | i found it | |
| 20:10 | #startvote vote yes if you agree with the list of names for the fund committee as listed on the wiki page, please. | |
| 20:10 | huginn` | Unable to parse vote topic and options. |
| 20:10 | cait | hmm |
| 20:10 | maybe needs to be a question? | |
| 20:11 | #startvote Do you agree to the list of names for the fund committee as listed on the wiki page? | |
| 20:11 | huginn` | Begin voting on: Do you agree to the list of names for the fund committee as listed on the wiki page? Valid vote options are Yes, No. |
| 20:11 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 20:11 | cait | not sure i phrased that well, hope you all know what i meant |
| 20:11 | talljoy | #vote Yes |
| 20:11 | khall | #vote Yes |
| 20:11 | ColinC | #vote Yes |
| 20:11 | akafred | #vote yes |
| 20:12 | magnuse | #vote Yes |
| 20:12 | Joubu | #vote yes |
| 20:12 | thd | #vote Yes |
| 20:12 | davidnind | #vote Yes |
| 20:13 | magnuse | and the names are: Brendan Gallagher, Galen Charlton, Bob Birchall, Romana Franziska Wallner - unless i am mistaken? |
| 20:13 | cait | #vote yes |
| 20:13 | thx magnuse, yes | |
| 20:13 | getting a bit late here :) | |
| 20:13 | #info the listed names at this point are: Brendan Gallagher, Galen Charlton, Bob Birchall, Romana Franziska Wallner | |
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| 20:15 | cait | #endvote |
| 20:15 | huginn` | Voted on "Do you agree to the list of names for the fund committee as listed on the wiki page?" Results are |
| 20:15 | cait | hm |
| 20:15 | * cait | glares at huginn |
| 20:15 | cait | i count 9 |
| 20:15 | davidnind | #showvote |
| 20:15 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 20:15 | huginn` | gmcharlt: Quote #92: "<schuster> Why even learn when there is a genius in the room..." (added by jwagner at 01:43 PM, August 27, 2010) |
| 20:15 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn`. |
| 20:15 | cait | hm he is alive |
| 20:16 | #agreed 9 votes yes - no other votes | |
| 20:16 | hm | |
| 20:16 | #agreed We agree on the list of names with 9 votes yes - no 'no' or other votes | |
| 20:17 | #topic Set time for next meeting | |
| 20:17 | Topic for #koha is now Set time for next meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 8 April 2015) | |
| 20:17 | cait | may 6th? |
| 20:17 | that would be a wednesday again | |
| 20:18 | Joubu | yep |
| 20:18 | thd | Would that be 10 UTC? |
| 20:18 | cait | i am not sure |
| 20:18 | Joubu | yep |
| 20:18 | 18 March 2015 was at 10:00 UTC | |
| 20:18 | cait | ok |
| 20:19 | thd | I disfavour late afternoon or evening times for the first Wednesday of the month. |
| 20:19 | cait | Please indicate if this time and date are ok for you: Wednesday, May 6th - 10 UTC |
| 20:19 | thd: not sure what time that is for you -- do you disfavour the suggestion? | |
| 20:19 | thd | I favour the suggestion. |
| 20:20 | cait | ok |
| 20:20 | i think everyone has fallen asleep by now :) | |
| 20:20 | talljoy | not i |
| 20:20 | thd | 10 UTC is early for me but that is fine. |
| 20:20 | davidnind | fine with me http://www.timeanddate.com/wor[…]g&iso=20150506T10 |
| 20:20 | khall | lol |
| 20:20 | cait | #agreed next meeting is going to be Wednesday, May 6th - 10 UTC |
| 20:20 | thx everyone! | |
| 20:20 | #endmeeting | |
| 20:20 | Topic for #koha is now Nominations for 3.22-roles are open: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.22 | Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org | Code of conduct - http://koha-community.org/abou[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 20:20 | huginn` | Meeting ended Wed Apr 8 20:20:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 20:20 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-04-08-19.05.html | |
| 20:20 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]5-04-08-19.05.txt | |
| 20:20 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]08-19.05.log.html | |
| 20:20 | Joubu | thanks cait |
| 20:21 | ColinC | thx |
| 20:21 | cait | thx all for attending |
| 20:21 | * Joubu | is going to eat... |
| 20:21 | davidnind | cait++ |
| 20:21 | thd | magnuse: are you still here? |
| 20:21 | cait | and for helping me out here and there :) |
| 20:21 | Teejay | Good nite |
| 20:21 | magnuse | thd: barely :-) |
| 20:21 | cait++ | |
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| 20:22 | magnuse | and don't forget https://www.gofundme.com/TomasNeedsALaptop |
| 20:22 | thd | magnuse: You may have some special insight about the following MediaWiki syntax. |
| 20:22 | khall | thanks to everyone who's donated so far! You all rock! |
| 20:23 | magnuse | community++ |
| 20:23 | thd | magnuse: [[Category:whatever parentcategory|{{PAGENAME}}]] |
| 20:24 | * khall | has to run! later all! |
| 20:24 | magnuse | thd: what are you trying to do there? |
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| 20:24 | thd | magnuse: Do you know what the purpose of the use of the MediaWiki magic word 'PAGENAME' would have? |
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| 20:24 | thd | magnuse: I am merely trying to understand what you were trying to do in when you used such syntax in 2010. |
| 20:24 | magnuse | thd: if i recall correctly, that would be substituted with the name of the current page |
| 20:25 | thd: lol. i did that? | |
| 20:25 | thd | magnuse: Yes that seems reasonable. |
| 20:25 | magnuse | got an example? where did i use it? |
| 20:26 | thd | magnuse: Yes, the problem which I have been trying to solve is that all IRC meeting pages in the wiki have the category 'IRC meeting' applied mysteriously. |
| 20:26 | fetching example | |
| 20:28 | cait | hm i think not mysteriously |
| 20:29 | or not sure, thought it was one of the categories | |
| 20:30 | thd | magnuse: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]iff=1048&oldid=23 |
| 20:30 | cait | hm could that happen by listing them on the page automatically? |
| 20:30 | like a backlink? | |
| 20:31 | actually,... i should sleep instead :) | |
| 20:31 | thd | cait: Yes, certainly one of the categories. The mysterious part is that the category has been applied to the page automatically without there being any evidence of automatic invocation in the pages themselves. |
| 20:31 | cait | hm i think i used to set that - by checking it |
| 20:32 | so i might have done it manually, not sure about an automatism | |
| 20:32 | thd | cait: Yes, but checking it is redundant with the mysterious automated assignment. |
| 20:32 | magnuse | yeah, i would think it was done manually |
| 20:32 | sorry goota put kiddo to bed | |
| 20:32 | cait | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings is a page with that title |
| 20:33 | thd | You can remove all categories from a page and disable the CategorySelect extension or examine the source without a login and yet the mysterious assignment persists. |
| 20:34 | cait: Maybe you have found the problem. | |
| 20:34 | Thanks cait | |
| 20:35 | I will try toggling the categories in the page to see if the namespace difference between wiki pages and categories is not being respected. | |
| 20:55 | wizzyrea | hi |
| 20:55 | hi | |
| 20:58 | cait | hi wizzyrea |
| 20:59 | wizzyrea | was there something on the website that needed fixing? |
| 20:59 | cait | from the meeting? |
| 20:59 | wizzyrea | yeah |
| 20:59 | cait | i think it was a typo that got fixed |
| 20:59 | thd | cait: You found the solution. The namespace distinction between wiki pages and categories with the same name is not being respected for category assignment to wiki pages as interpreted by Category Breadcrumb and possibly other aspects of our wiki installation. |
| 20:59 | wizzyrea | just saw something about a typo |
| 20:59 | I am glad you understand what you just said there, thd. | |
| 21:00 | thd | cait+++ |
| 21:00 | cait | i don't understand either, but glad you found out what you needed to know :) |
| 21:02 | thd | Hmm, the explanation might actually be different on closer examination. |
| 21:05 | wizzyrea: In the Koha MediaWiki installation, if you create a wiki page with a particular name and a category with exactly the same name, any pages linked from the wiki page with the name have the category applied to them automatically. | |
| 21:06 | wizzyrea: The problem is that if the category is then applied manually to the affected wiki pages, the category is redundantly repeated. | |
| 21:08 | I will try renaming the wiki page sharing the same name as the category as a workaround for the time being. | |
| 21:09 | The page rename will entail a link from the old name. | |
| 21:14 | Actually, changing capitalisation should be enough for a workaround. | |
| 21:16 | wizzyrea | Ah. |
| 21:17 | thd | wizzyrea: I had wondered about the issue for years without spending enough time to address it properly. |
| 21:19 | wizzyrea: I had discovered why everything else appears incorrect in navigation but this had me stumped until cait noticed the commonality of wiki page and category names. | |
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| 21:33 | wizzyrea | aha, well glad you got that sorted then :) |
| 21:37 | cait | night |
| 21:37 | cait left #koha | |
| 21:39 | wizzyrea | gnite cait |
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| 22:36 | eythian | hi |
| 22:52 | wizzyrea | i feel like I'm losing my mind |
| 22:55 | eythian | people often say that after I say 'hi' |
| 22:56 | @later tell marcelr http://localfocus2.appspot.com/55250e091cd5a ... I see you're having problems over there. | |
| 22:56 | huginn` | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:59 | cdickinson | lol |
| 22:59 | I think there was a file she was trying to open and it wasn't working | |
| 23:00 | that would upset me too... though only Windows gives me such troubles | |
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