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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:05 | dcook | Hmm, I wonder if it would be interesting to patrons to be able to download their circulation history |
| 00:05 | rangi | maybe, wouldnt be hard to add that opion |
| 00:05 | option even | |
| 00:05 | dcook | Yeah, I was just thinking that |
| 00:06 | I was just skimming this: http://www.linuxvoice.com/interview-tim-oreilly/ | |
| 00:07 | At first I thought he was side-stepping the question on open source to focus on open data, but then he talks about how they really ought go hand in hand | |
| 00:07 | rangi | open data is useless without open source |
| 00:07 | its just bits | |
| 00:07 | without software to deal with it | |
| 00:08 | dcook | Yeah, they talk a bit about that as well |
| 00:08 | Well, not in the context of open source | |
| 00:08 | per se | |
| 00:08 | But open standards/context | |
| 00:08 | Although they refer to it as "portable" | |
| 00:11 | "There are kids programming in Scala because that’s how you build shit on Minecraft!" | |
| 00:11 | hehe | |
| 00:12 | Hmm, too long to actually read | |
| 00:13 | But yeah going back to the circ history thing. I wonder how many people would... | |
| 00:13 | In theory, I like the idea, but it probably wouldn't be useful for me | |
| 00:13 | I rather use Goodreads as it's more inclusive of all my reading | |
| 00:13 | But then I have to manually do that.. | |
| 00:24 | rangi | i did some work on integrating goodreads |
| 00:24 | got bored when amazon bought them and stopp | |
| 00:24 | ed | |
| 00:24 | i think there is some code on a bug or 2 | |
| 00:25 | id work on it if someone was paying me, but for a fun project in my free time, amazon doesnt need my help | |
| 00:27 | dcook | ^ |
| 00:27 | Yeah, I was tempted to work on integrating them as well before Amazon bought them | |
| 00:27 | I'd use a different service if there was another convenient option, but for now I keep chugging along | |
| 00:27 | rangi | *nod* |
| 00:28 | dcook | Back when I was wrapping up my MLIS in 2012, I thought about building something myself to track all sorts of different media consumption |
| 00:28 | Books, music, tv shows, films, etc. | |
| 00:28 | Rather than relying on say Goodreads and a bunch of different services | |
| 00:28 | I thought about exploring whether Imdb lets you track things, but I got bored with that as well | |
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| 01:03 | eythian | http://www.npr.org/2014/06/30/[…]ms-of-2014-so-far <-- there is some good stuff in here. |
| 01:04 | dcook | eythian: Any news about Zebra 2.0.60 in Debian? |
| 01:04 | eythian | no news |
| 01:05 | dcook | :( |
| 01:05 | eythian | tbh, I don't expect much to happen, it's too close to release |
| 01:05 | dcook | Yeah, that makes sense |
| 01:05 | Hmm, I think I"ve only heard of maybe one or two of those artists! | |
| 01:08 | eythian | yeah, same with me. |
| 01:08 | I went through and listened to the sample, and queued up about 8 albums worth of the ones I liked for further consideration. | |
| 01:09 | dcook | :D |
| 01:09 | I've been thinking a bit how I could use some new music | |
| 01:10 | eythian | http://www.theguardian.com/mus[…]st-albums-of-2014 <-- well, here's some more. I haven't been through these yet. |
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| 01:49 | eythian | once again I get totally confused by rebase doing exactly what I tell it to do, which was what I wanted. |
| 01:49 | It just didn't look like it was going to. | |
| 01:50 | (Turned out I was thinking wrong.) | |
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| 02:51 | dcook | meeting time |
| 02:51 | wahanui | i guess meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe |
| 02:52 | dcook | Well, meeting time for me |
| 02:52 | eythian | wahanui: meeting time is <reply>mmm meat |
| 02:52 | wahanui | ...but meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe... |
| 02:52 | eythian | wahanui: meeting time is also <reply>mmm meat |
| 02:52 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
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| 03:06 | eythian | @later tell magnuse was away yesterday, new 3.18 packages uploading now |
| 03:06 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
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| 04:00 | abhijit | hi we are getting following error |
| 04:00 | Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/create_koc_db.pl line 97. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/create_koc_db.pl line 97. | |
| 04:00 | eythian | first question |
| 04:00 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
| 04:01 | abhijit | we are running following command |
| 04:01 | hi | |
| 04:02 | we are running - /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/create_koc_db.pl -sqlite3 | |
| 04:02 | eythian | second question |
| 04:02 | wahanui | second question is "What is the exact error message?" |
| 04:02 | eythian | oh |
| 04:02 | ignore that one | |
| 04:02 | third question | |
| 04:02 | wahanui | third question is "What version of Koha are you using?" http://koha-community.org/faq/[…]ion-koha-running/ |
| 04:02 | eythian | hmm |
| 04:02 | skip that too | |
| 04:02 | fourth question | |
| 04:02 | wahanui | i guess fourth question is "Are we there yet?" |
| 04:02 | abhijit | 3.18.03 |
| 04:03 | eythian | how have you installed Koha? |
| 04:03 | abhijit | yes |
| 04:03 | eythian | as in, using packages, or tarball, or git, or something |
| 04:03 | abhijit | we are having mobile libraries - always offline |
| 04:03 | kohacommon | |
| 04:03 | eythian | ah great |
| 04:03 | so, try this: | |
| 04:04 | abhijit | ok |
| 04:04 | eythian | sudo koha-shell -c ' /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/create_koc_db.pl -sqlite3' instancename |
| 04:04 | where instancename is the name of the library that you gave to koha-create when you made it. | |
| 04:04 | abhijit | let me try |
| 04:05 | eythian | wahanui: third question is "What version of Koha are you using? How have you installed it (packages, tarball, etc)?" http://koha-community.org/faq/[…]ion-koha-running/ |
| 04:05 | wahanui | ...but third question is "What version of Koha are you using?" http://koha-community.org/faq/[…]ion-koha-running/... |
| 04:05 | eythian | no wahanui, third question is "What version of Koha are you using? How have you installed it (packages, tarball, etc)?" http://koha-community.org/faq/[…]ion-koha-running/ |
| 04:05 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 04:06 | abhijit | this is really great place where i can chat with real peoples and get solution to our problems |
| 04:06 | eythian | that's the idea :) |
| 04:06 | abhijit | how can we install DBD::SQLite3 |
| 04:07 | cpan | |
| 04:07 | eythian | sudo apt-get install libdbd-sqlite3-perl will probably work |
| 04:08 | abhijit | now getting following error |
| 04:08 | DBI connect('dbname=borrowers.db','',...) failed: unable to open database file at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/create_koc_db.pl line 133 Can't call method "do" on unblessed reference at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/create_koc_db.pl line 224. | |
| 04:09 | eythian | hmm |
| 04:09 | oh | |
| 04:09 | I bet it's failing to create that file because it doesn't have write permissions whereever you are | |
| 04:10 | try adding --file /var/lib/koha/instancename/borrowers.db | |
| 04:10 | (again, replace instancename with whatever it should be) | |
| 04:11 | we need someone to add proper support for the offline stuff to the packages so this just magically happens. | |
| 04:14 | abhijit | eythian i really don't know how to add file ? |
| 04:15 | eythian | sudo koha-shell -c ' /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/create_koc_db.pl --sqlite3 --file /var/lib/koha/instancename/borrowers.db' instancename |
| 04:16 | abhijit | wohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 04:17 | great eythian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
| 04:17 | can i ask more about you | |
| 04:18 | it's working | |
| 04:18 | eythian | awesome |
| 04:19 | abhijit | i also have great inrest in koha, where i can learn about commands you told me to execute |
| 04:20 | --file /var/lib/koha/instancename/borrowers.db | |
| 04:20 | and more | |
| 04:20 | in short koha command | |
| 04:21 | eythian | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]e_Debian_packages <-- there's a list of commands here |
| 04:21 | the --file I got by looking in the source, but you could also have run it with --help | |
| 04:24 | abhijit | in source - koha sourcecode file |
| 04:24 | ? | |
| 04:24 | eythian | in the /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/create_koc_db.pl file itself |
| 04:24 | just because it's quicker for me than running --help | |
| 04:26 | abhijit | i would like to heartily thank you for helping me resolve my issue - great eythian |
| 04:26 | eythian | not a problem |
| 04:28 | abhijit | can i ask you for your mail ID - i like to make a contacts |
| 04:29 | what is this? | |
| 04:29 | wahanui | hmmm... this is the dawning of the age of Aquarius. |
| 04:29 | eythian | hmm, tbh I get too much email as it is. However, you can use the koha mailing lists if you want to talk/ask about Koha. |
| 04:29 | wahanui: mailing lists | |
| 04:29 | wahanui | mailing lists are http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 04:30 | abhijit | not a problem |
| 04:30 | eythian | @later tcohen looks like building of libdbix-connector-perl for squeeze will be straightforward. |
| 04:30 | huginn | eythian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 04:30 | eythian | @later tell tcohen looks like building of libdbix-connector-perl for squeeze will be straightforward. |
| 04:30 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 04:31 | abhijit | thank you eythian |
| 04:31 | thanks again | |
| 04:31 | bye bye tc | |
| 04:31 | eythian | later |
| 04:35 | abhijit | eythian one more question i would like to learn more about debian perl koha then what you would suggest? |
| 04:36 | eythian | hmm. that's an extremely broad question. |
| 04:36 | http://debian-handbook.info/ <-- maybe start here for debian | |
| 04:37 | http://learn.perl.org/ <-- here for Perl | |
| 04:37 | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Main_Page <-- and probably here + IRC + mailing lists for koha | |
| 05:32 | bag | @later tell cait - how’d that library go-live turn out? |
| 05:33 | huginn | bag: The operation succeeded. |
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| 05:49 | eythian | @later tell tcohon ...and done |
| 05:49 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 05:50 | eythian | @later tell tcohen ...and done |
| 05:50 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 05:50 | bag | nice I like that - … and done |
| 05:52 | eythian | it makes sense in context :) |
| 05:52 | wahanui: woosh is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/axJmn.gif | |
| 05:52 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 05:52 | * eythian | & |
| 05:56 | bag | my reflex are so fast nothing gets over my head |
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| 07:06 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 07:10 | abhijit | is multiple installation of koha possible in single vps account - production mode? |
| 07:12 | magnuse | abhijit: yes, and if you use the debian packages it is even easy |
| 07:13 | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 07:13 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]kages#koha-create | |
| 07:13 | abhijit: those are good places to start | |
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| 07:14 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 07:15 | abhijit | we have tried that, but it creates conflicts and hard to change logo |
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| 07:30 | bag | magnuse: HI |
| 07:30 | and good night | |
| 07:30 | wahanui | I watch you sleep. |
| 07:30 | bag | scary |
| 07:32 | magnuse | bag: HI and good night |
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| 07:40 | fridolin | hie all |
| 07:40 | magnuse | bonjour fridolin |
| 07:41 | fridolin | bonjour magnuse |
| 07:41 | we see you next week right , | |
| 07:41 | ? | |
| 07:46 | magnuse | fridolin: oui! |
| 07:51 | fridolin | cool :) |
| 07:51 | as usual, i think we will have fun | |
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| 07:54 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:54 | wahanui | bonjour, reiveune |
| 07:54 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:54 | wahanui | kia ora, alex_a |
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| 08:06 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 08:09 | magnuse | kia ora cait and Viktor |
| 08:09 | fridolin: yeah, i think so too | |
| 08:09 | and cheese | |
| 08:09 | Viktor | Kia ora magnuse, cait and all of #koha |
| 08:09 | cait | hi Viktor and magnuse :) |
| 08:12 | * magnuse | gets a sudden urge to work on semantikoha again |
| 08:13 | magnuse | what's the correct place to configure memcached these days? koha-conf.xml or the apache site config? or both? |
| 08:14 | cait | not sure |
| 08:14 | hope to learn some about caching/plack next week actually | |
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| 08:19 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:20 | Viktor | Hi gaetan_B |
| 08:21 | magnuse: Semantikoha was interesting last time I had a look :) | |
| 08:22 | * magnuse | just needs to find some time |
| 08:23 | Viktor | magnuse: best of luck with that ;) |
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| 08:26 | magnuse | Viktor: thanks :-) |
| 08:26 | maybe in airports on the way to marseille and back... | |
| 08:27 | Viktor | magnuse: Thats 50 minutes right away :) |
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| 08:33 | justin_ | hi . everyone |
| 08:33 | can i ask something abt koha library? | |
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| 08:36 | justin_ | can i ask something abt koha library |
| 08:38 | Viktor | Hi justin_ Feel free to ask. There's no meeting now as far as I'm aware. |
| 08:38 | Hopefully someone is around who can answer :) | |
| 08:40 | justin_ | i see |
| 08:40 | the thing is, i already install koha library on PC and can use offline | |
| 08:41 | offline mean without internet just local connection | |
| 08:41 | now i want to make that library online | |
| 08:42 | come someone give any idea abt it? | |
| 08:43 | Viktor | One of the first things you would need (I think) is a static IP-adress so there is a way to find your Koha-install from another computer. |
| 08:43 | If you have installed Koha on a dedicated machine things should be relatively easy to get up and running then. | |
| 08:44 | I think there is more things with "port forwarding" and such things if you run Koha in Virtualbox or other virtualization software. | |
| 08:44 | justin_ | yes. i already assign ip to connect local connection |
| 08:44 | Viktor | Good :) |
| 08:44 | justin_ | but for online i cannot get puclic ip in my country |
| 08:45 | is there any way to put my library online without public? | |
| 08:45 | i mean like Website | |
| 08:46 | Viktor | Hm. Without a static IP-adress I think it will be a bit of a hassle. There are services that lets you have a server even without a static IP but then you have to reconnect it to your domain name every time you get a new adress from your Internet provider. |
| 08:47 | Don't quite what those services are called, but I know they exist. | |
| 08:48 | justin_ | yes that's why i got issue with online library |
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| 08:48 | Viktor | Every time your IP changes you go to the service and hook up your domain with the new IP. |
| 08:48 | justin_ | can i know which country u from? |
| 08:48 | Viktor | But it's no good way to build anything else than a test. |
| 08:48 | I'm from sweden. | |
| 08:49 | justin_ | i see , i from Myanmar |
| 08:50 | my offline library is already running in Majoy Seminary | |
| 08:50 | they already make cataloging | |
| 08:50 | book aroung 10000++ | |
| 08:51 | now they want to make online library | |
| 08:51 | Viktor | Is there any chance you could use any online service provider like Linode.com? |
| 08:52 | To set up a online server and import the database into that? | |
| 08:52 | justin_ | but in my country it is hard to get good internet and amd public ip |
| 08:53 | Viktor | I see. So top priority is keeping it working on the local network? Then a local machine sounds like a better idea. |
| 08:53 | No good with a cloud based server if there is poor internet connection. | |
| 08:54 | I did a quick search for "domain name without static IP" and that turned up some interesting services. | |
| 08:55 | Things like "noip.com" and others. I have no idea if they are any good. But there seems to be a few services that does what you need. | |
| 08:55 | justin_ | i see |
| 08:56 | but 10$ for one month is too expensive for seminary | |
| 08:56 | tomk | Hey ppl |
| 08:58 | Viktor | justin_ I guess you could register a cheap domain somewhere, give it you locals machines IP and never turn it off.... But maybe you should look from a second opinion from others. They might have some good tricks :) |
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| 09:02 | justin_ | i already tried that idea but my isp not allowed to use public ip in their physical lime |
| 09:03 | tomk | Hallå, Viktor. Will you attend at the 'round table talk' in Stockholm march 15th? |
| 09:06 | * magnuse | would love to be a fly on the wall there :-) |
| 09:06 | tomk | oh, sorry it's the 17th! |
| 09:06 | magnuse, :) | |
| 09:09 | Viktor | Hi tomk - yes I plan to do that if at all possible :) |
| 09:10 | * magnuse | thinks that meeting would be kind of pointless without Viktor :-) |
| 09:10 | Viktor | Hm. I'm sorry, but since I'm no networking guru I'm out of good ideas :( But there are others who are good with these things. I hope someone can help you. |
| 09:11 | Magnuse :) | |
| 09:11 | magnuse | justin_: i would recommend sending an email to the main koha list - you will reach more people there |
| 09:11 | justin_ | i see Viktor . thanks alot for your kindness and idea |
| 09:12 | * Viktor | agrees with Magnuse. With the list you access a lot more people over time than the ones here right now. |
| 09:12 | tomk | Viktor, Cool. Thinking about attending. Me and a colleague (Almedalsbiblioteket på Gotland). We're at a very early stage of our Koha discovery / salvation - but realize that it is very important that we show our involvement and interest in the development |
| 09:12 | Viktor | justin_ Best of luck! |
| 09:12 | justin_ | also thanks to magnuse , i will send email ;) |
| 09:13 | Viktor | tonk That's great |
| 09:14 | tonk If I can help you out in any way you are most welcome to ask | |
| 09:14 | magnuse | tomk: the more the merrier |
| 09:14 | tomk | Viktor, Wonderful. |
| 09:14 | Viktor | tomk I don't know if you are aware, but we run a project that hopes to adapt Koha more to the needs of swedish libraries. |
| 09:15 | tomk | I am aware! Just read about it. :D |
| 09:15 | Exciting! | |
| 09:16 | Viktor | tomk We hope to get extra funding so it's valuable to hear from others what they se as show stoppers. In the best of worlds we could fund the needed development :) |
| 09:17 | tomk There will be more info after march 4 when we know if we get extra funds or not. | |
| 09:17 | * magnuse | crosses his fingers |
| 09:18 | * tomk | crosses toes and fingers! |
| 09:20 | * Viktor | finally shuts of the autocorrect that want to spell "tomk" like "tonk" and "patch" like "match" etc |
| 09:21 | Viktor | tonk What system are you currently on? Magnuse did a Book-IT migration script for us, and I think there will soon be a Libra.se too. |
| 09:21 | tomk | Can't believe I've missed out of this (Koha) - but then, my area has been more about the libraries web/intranet solutions. Until now! |
| 09:21 | We're going through ridiculously harsh times with Ax**ll. | |
| 09:22 | Viktor | Sorry to hear :( |
| 09:22 | tomk | so, yes - BookIT |
| 09:23 | Well, as I see it - it's all good. Makes alternatives so much more appealling | |
| 09:23 | *appealing | |
| 09:23 | ;) | |
| 09:24 | Viktor | Hm. The one we did takes a "standarduttag" from Book-IT as input. The vendor they bought Book-IT from set a quite steep price for getting that info though.. |
| 09:25 | tomk | Yes, not unexpected. |
| 09:25 | Viktor | The script propably needs some tweaking by now with new versions, but it should be far less than the 100 hours we spent on making it in the first place. |
| 09:25 | tomk | Amazing |
| 09:27 | Viktor | The script is at https://github.com/Libriotech/bookit2koha and magnuse or someone else of your choice should be able to assist you with using it if needed. |
| 09:29 | I'm not good with migrations but do some smaller patches and help our project library with a lot of daily tasks. | |
| 09:30 | tomk | Thanks, Viktor! |
| 09:31 | Viktor | No problem tomk - Working with Koha might be the most fun I've had at work ever :) |
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| 09:32 | tomk | I got a local Koha server up and running, to test things out. Looks really good. However I got many blank spots in my knowledge about different databases and such - but I tend to learn pretty fast. :) |
| 09:33 | Further along , I hope to be able to contribute in whatever why I can. | |
| 09:34 | *way | |
| 09:34 | Viktor | tomk Sounds great! |
| 09:37 | tomk Since there is quite a bit of interest around Koha we are looking for public spaces to discuss in and learn together. The Facebook group "Koha i Norden" might be useful. | |
| 09:37 | I usually blogg about the project at blogg.regionhalland.se/koha too. | |
| 09:38 | magnuse | tomk: https://www.facebook.com/groups/KohaNorge/ if you are on facebook (it started out as a norwegian group and i don't think we can change the url) |
| 09:38 | Viktor | tomk There is also a more closed space just for libraries on Slack.com that we're trying out with KB and SUB |
| 09:39 | tomk | haha Finally - a relevant reason to get a FB account. |
| 09:39 | magnuse | ooh, you don't have one? cool! |
| 09:39 | tomk | I'm a special snow flake |
| 09:40 | :D | |
| 09:40 | Viktor, ok! Checking it out. | |
| 09:42 | Viktor | tomk - I'll change it so that you can sign up with a hgo.se domain from koha.slack.com |
| 09:43 | tomk | Viktor, that's great. Thanks. |
| 09:45 | Viktor | tomk - You should be good to go now. The channel #hylte might have the most info right now. |
| 09:45 | * tomk | nods |
| 09:45 | magnuse | Viktor++ |
| 09:49 | tomk | Ok, I'm in. Brilliant. |
| 09:51 | Viktor | tomk I see you :) You will se everything that happens in our tracking system from the beginning of feb. No backlog though. |
| 09:52 | * magnuse | sometimes contributes to that tracking system, i think |
| 09:52 | Viktor | magnuse Indeed you do :) |
| 09:54 | Does anyone know when the hackfest starts on monday? | |
| 09:55 | I'm planning to make the most of the day and live nearby :) | |
| 10:06 | magnuse | 9 o'clock i think |
| 10:07 | Viktor: adnois looks good if have not booked anything yet | |
| 10:07 | ~10 minutes to walk to the biblibre office | |
| 10:07 | Viktor | magnuse I booked Adonis since it was close and everyone else seemed to stay there :) |
| 10:07 | magnuse | maybe a bit less down to vieux port |
| 10:07 | yay! | |
| 10:08 | Viktor | Got my passport ready and all tickets done. Still need to print some kind of map but 2km from the train station to the hotel seems doable by foot. |
| 10:09 | magnuse | i went by foot the first time - it was a bit too far with a heavy suitcase |
| 10:09 | it's fine if you don't have too much to carry | |
| 10:09 | Viktor | Lucky the Biblibre folk is so amazing and friendly. Last time I was in France was Paris 20 years ago and english was a bit frowned upon :) |
| 10:10 | magnuse | hehe |
| 10:10 | the biblibre/koha people are all friendly | |
| 10:11 | i have sat myself down at an outdoor café and gotten actively ignored by the staff, though ;-) | |
| 10:11 | Viktor: do you arrive monday morning? | |
| 10:11 | Viktor | Yes working with Koha is really great for becoming more a part of the world. |
| 10:12 | magnuse: Sunday actually. | |
| 10:12 | magnuse | cool |
| 10:12 | early? late? will you have any time to explore? | |
| 10:13 | Viktor | I think I'm landing at 17.00. Should be in town by 18 I guess. Top priotrity is food and hotel. But if it seems friendly enough in the area there migh be some exploration :) |
| 10:14 | I'm currently using street view to get a sense of where I have to walk :) | |
| 10:16 | magnuse | good plan :-) |
| 10:27 | i think some people might be meetin up for dinner at around that time | |
| 10:49 | yeah, lunchtime | |
| 10:52 | cait | tomk++ |
| 10:54 | tomk | Yes, cait? |
| 10:54 | wahanui | cait is lookign forward to the API discussion |
| 10:56 | cait | for not having a fb account :) |
| 10:56 | was reading scrollback | |
| 10:56 | tomk | Oh. hah |
| 10:57 | Thanks :D | |
| 10:57 | cait | lunch time |
| 10:57 | tomk | Aye. |
| 11:15 | kivilahtio | have we really agreed to push all Koha to DBIx? |
| 11:35 | cait | kivilahtio: hm? |
| 11:36 | i think the long term goal is to support multiple database systems | |
| 11:36 | kivilahtio | just asking. Koha will end up as another Drupal |
| 11:36 | :) | |
| 11:36 | Or maybe not, if DBIx doesnt make a ton of arbitrary DB-queries | |
| 11:37 | magnuse | well, we have opened the floodgates to it, and a lot of devs seen to like it |
| 11:37 | not sure we have set "rewrite everything using DBIC" as a goal, though | |
| 11:37 | s/seen/seem/ | |
| 11:41 | cait | i think there is no forced rewriting of all modules |
| 11:42 | but it's used in a lot of places by now | |
| 11:42 | and also in new code it should be used i think | |
| 11:42 | but there was an open discussion on how to use it for quite a while | |
| 11:42 | i think we are getting closer to resolve this tho | |
| 12:18 | ashimema | without enableing or disabling email.. is there a way to tell if it's already enabled/disabled in pacakges? |
| 12:21 | cait | hm i think yes |
| 12:21 | ther eis a command | |
| 12:21 | koha-list? | |
| 12:22 | i thik i used it when i had the workshop, but htat's too long ago | |
| 12:23 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]04be1501ca107#l19 | |
| 12:23 | ashimema: koha-list --email --noemail i think | |
| 12:24 | reiveune | bye |
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| 12:30 | magnuse | ashimema: --email - only show instances that have email enabled |
| 12:30 | ashimema | cheers magnus |
| 12:30 | cheers cait | |
| 12:30 | magnuse | and --noemail only show instances that have email disabled |
| 12:31 | not sure what happens if you do both --email and --noemail ;-) | |
| 12:33 | tomk | Uh, yeah - lunch. Time flies. |
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| 12:35 | andreashm | hi all |
| 12:35 | tomk | hey andreashm |
| 12:36 | andreashm | hi tomk. nice to see more swedes here. |
| 12:38 | * cait | is back from lunch btw :) |
| 12:39 | magnuse | tjänare andreashm |
| 12:39 | andreashm | magnuse: I failed to install kohadevbox yesterday. =( |
| 12:39 | magnuse | ouch |
| 12:39 | what happened? | |
| 12:40 | andreashm | yup. my colleague managed on his windows machine, but I failed on a mac. |
| 12:40 | can't connect to localhost. don't know if there was something earlier in the install that didn't work right though. | |
| 12:40 | magnuse | ah |
| 12:41 | * magnuse | does not use a mac |
| 12:41 | andreashm | vagrant doesn't like me. everything I've tried to install with it so far (three different things, on two separate computers) have failed. |
| 12:41 | magnuse | ouch! |
| 12:41 | my best advice is to google for something like "can't connect to localhost vagrant mac" then... | |
| 12:42 | andreashm | yeah, I'll try to see if it's something I can sort out. |
| 12:42 | cait | andreashm: :( hope it can be fixed |
| 12:43 | andreashm | guess I should try installing on the PC and see if that works. |
| 12:43 | but there is a distinct possibility that I've messed up somewhere earlier. | |
| 12:44 | I'm wondering if the mac has the proper perl support needed for instance. | |
| 12:45 | magnuse | the mac should not need perl at all |
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| 12:46 | magnuse | all you need is vagrant, and then all the interesting things are inside the virtualbox set up by vagrant |
| 12:46 | andreashm | alright, thanks magnuse. guess I'll try to look into the localhost issue. |
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| 12:47 | andreashm | first I thought it was a firewall issue, but then I reinstalled at home last night, but with the same result unfortunately. |
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| 12:49 | magnuse | andreashm: sounds like vagrant+mac issue - sorry i can't be of much help there |
| 12:51 | Viktor_away: you're a mac person, aren't you? have you tried kohadevbox on it? | |
| 12:53 | Viktor_away | magnuse: I haven't yet, but I would want to try it. Whats acting up? (No backlog in the IRC client from when I was away) |
| 12:53 | magnuse | Viktor_away: andreashm ran into a "can't connect to localhost" problem |
| 12:54 | Viktor_away | Hm that was weird. Inside Virtualbox? |
| 12:54 | Not trying to access the devbox from the native os? | |
| 12:54 | andreashm | when running the installation script |
| 12:55 | I can access the devbox. but not the localhost. | |
| 12:56 | do I need to forward ports? | |
| 12:56 | (looking at some "getting started with vagrant" site, which does so... unclear why) | |
| 12:57 | magnuse | port forwarding should be set up |
| 12:58 | and it is even set up to choose different ports if the default ones are taken | |
| 12:58 | but it can be hard to catch the message if ports are changed | |
| 12:58 | when you do the first "vagrant up" it will be at the top of a looooot of output | |
| 12:59 | the second time you do "vagrant up" there should be less output, so you should be able to catch it | |
| 12:59 | Viktor_away | Interesting and weird. I'm actually on family duty now so I don't have a chance to dig deeper just now. But I'll gladly read the IRC-logs tonight and see if you had any luck :) |
| 13:04 | andreashm | viktor: thanks! =) |
| 13:07 | magnuse: I'll try vagrant up again in a bit... doing some stuff on another virtualbox at the moment (getting windows sorted so I can access our old ils) | |
| 13:07 | hopefully I can spot the trouble then | |
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| 13:15 | magnuse | andreashm: i'll keep my fingers crossed |
| 13:18 | andreashm | thanks magnuse. |
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| 13:40 | andreashm | magnuse: tried it again, with the same result. from within the vm i tried curl localhost:8080 and got the following error: Can't locate DBIx/Connector.pm in @INC. any ideas |
| 13:41 | jcamins | andreashm: sounds like there's nothing wrong with Vagrant, just a problem with the Koha configuration on the VM. |
| 13:43 | andreashm | jcamins: strange. |
| 13:43 | jcamins | Missing dependencies, I'd say. |
| 13:43 | But you would probably be better off asking someone who has worked with DBIx how to address the problem. | |
| 13:45 | andreashm | isn't it something missing in Perl? that's how I read it. |
| 13:45 | jcamins | Yeah, missing Perl dependencies. |
| 13:45 | DBIx::Connector. | |
| 13:48 | andreashm | ah ok. |
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| 13:54 | magnuse | andreashm: yeah, that is a missing dependency inside the virtualbox |
| 13:55 | i think there was some tak about it on some bug | |
| 13:55 | try to do "sudo apt-get install libdbic-connector-perl" inside the vm | |
| 13:56 | yeah, bug 13645 | |
| 13:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13645 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , DBIx connection needs to be cached |
| 13:57 | magnuse | the main patch, which uses DBIx::Connector, is in the master branch, but it was not packaged for debian. eythian seems to have fixed that, so you should be able to apt-get install it now, i think |
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| 14:07 | andreashm | magnuse: thanks. apt-get should work in mac terminal then? (goes to read up on that command) |
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| 14:13 | magnuse | andreashm: no, inside the vm |
| 14:13 | so you do "vagrant ssh" and then "sudo apt-get install ..." | |
| 14:13 | andreashm | ah, ok. thanks |
| 14:15 | no apt-get. seems to be an unix command. | |
| 14:15 | I'll look into it. | |
| 14:19 | magnuse | something is very wrong if you can't run apt-get inside the virtual machine :-) |
| 14:19 | andreashm | humm... that's true... |
| 14:21 | ah, I probably gave the wrong password | |
| 14:24 | magnuse | "vagrant ssh" should not need a password |
| 14:25 | andreashm | no, but sudo does |
| 14:26 | magnuse | ah, inside the vm, sudo should not ask for a password either |
| 14:26 | unless something changed in the base vm that kohadevbox uses... | |
| 14:26 | andreashm | it did the first time. now it just couldn't locate the package. |
| 14:28 | magnuse | do "sudo apt-get update" and then try again |
| 14:30 | andreashm | is the package called DBIx::Connector? Or something else? |
| 14:31 | magnuse | the perl module is called DBIx::Connector. the debian package derived from that should be called libdbix-connector-perl |
| 14:31 | oh, i had a typo | |
| 14:31 | it should be libdbix-connector-perl, not libdbic-connector-perl | |
| 14:32 | andreashm | thanks |
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| 14:33 | andreashm | woho! |
| 14:33 | that worked. thanks magnuse!!! | |
| 14:35 | magnuse | yay! |
| 14:39 | andreashm | much appreciate your help! |
| 14:40 | magnuse | np |
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| 14:45 | kivilahtio | What do you think about the idea that when you are defining the "Notices and Slips", you could have an extra column to tell how much you would fine the borrower for receiving such a fine? |
| 14:46 | We could easily define notification fines for borrowers based on the letter_code, branchcode, message_trasnport_type | |
| 14:46 | ... | |
| 14:46 | it would also enable you to set different notification fines for different overdue notification letters | |
| 14:47 | it would also enable defining a notification fine for hold-ready-for-pickup | |
| 14:47 | which also is something we need | |
| 14:53 | * magnuse | wanders off to make dinner |
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| 16:13 | cait | kivilahtio: for the holds there is a way to charge for placing holds if that helps |
| 16:13 | kivilahtio: i like the idea of a fee, I think inlibro included a processing fee | |
| 16:14 | in their plans | |
| 16:14 | kivilahtio | cait: I know thanks! We are looking for placing the fine when the HOLD is ready for pickup |
| 16:14 | cait | yeah it's a difference |
| 16:14 | here you pay for order if a tall - same for ill requests | |
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| 16:23 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 16:24 | I'm curious if you have 2 ISBNs for the same thing but different regions. How do you catalog that? (Be merciful to me, a non-librarian) :) | |
| 16:32 | cait | mtompset: what do you mean with 2 different regions? |
| 16:32 | @marc 20 | |
| 16:32 | huginn | cait: unknown tag 20 |
| 16:32 | mtompset | US and India, for example. |
| 16:32 | cait | @marc 020 |
| 16:32 | huginn | cait: The ISBN assigned to a monographic publication by designated agencies in each country participating in the program. The field may include terms of availability and canceled or invalid ISBNs. It may be repeated for multiple numbers associated with the item (e.g., ISBNs for the hard bound and paperback manifestations; ISBNs for a set as a whole and for the individual parts in the set). (Repeatable) (1 more message) |
| 16:32 | cait | the isbn is repeatable |
| 16:33 | if it's the same book and it has 2 isbn i would catalog it with a repeated isbn i think | |
| 16:33 | not sure if there is a subfield for region | |
| 16:33 | if it's 2 different books... same content... different isbn WE would probably have 2 records -but that might not be the best way to do it :) | |
| 16:35 | mtompset | No, I think it is 1 book, but it is available under different ISBN's based on region. |
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| 17:13 | gaetan_B | bye |
| 17:21 | ashimema | have we done somthing to force javascript to load last on pages? |
| 17:22 | I've a template that really does need jQuery first.. but I can't for the life of me get my scripts and jQuery to load in the head instead of at the bottom.. | |
| 17:22 | I'm an idiot.. | |
| 17:22 | ignore me | |
| 17:27 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13473 - Plugins fail <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8b96aecd318ece036> / Bug 13523: DBIC updates <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a55d5fb6444b1ffba> / Bug 13523: DBRev 3.19.00.012 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]24c1e80fec5669385> / Bug 13523 - AddBibli |
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| 18:25 | jenkins_koha | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 18:25 | wahanui | o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
| 18:25 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB build #244: FIXED in 57 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]_U12_MariaDB/244/ |
| 18:25 | * Marc Veron: Bug 13689 - Remove opac-old.css and sco-old.css | |
| 18:25 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 13612 - Remove old YUI javacript libraries from opac-tmpl | |
| 18:25 | * Robin Sheat: Bug 13645: dependencies for libdbix-connector-perl | |
| 18:25 | * Viktor Sarge: Bug 13729 - Give news in Opac a unique anchor | |
| 18:25 | * Benjamin Rokseth: Bug 13523 - AddBiblio fails on mysql with STRICT_TRANS_TABLES | |
| 18:25 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13523: DBRev 3.19.00.012 | |
| 18:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13689 trivial, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Remove opac-old.css and sco-old.css |
| 18:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13612 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove old YUI javacript libraries from opac-tmpl | |
| 18:25 | jenkins_koha | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13523: DBIC updates |
| 18:25 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13473 - Plugins fail | |
| 18:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13645 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , DBIx connection needs to be cached |
| 18:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Give news in Opac a unique anchor | |
| 18:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13523 major, P5 - low, ---, benjamin.rokseth, Pushed to Master , AddBiblio fails on mysql with STRICT_TRANS_TABLES | |
| 18:26 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13473 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Plugins fail when loading templates | |
| 18:37 | mtompset | ashimema: We all make idiot/newbie mistakes even if we aren't. :) |
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| 20:52 | * Francesca | waves |
| 20:55 | cait | hi Francesca :) |
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| 21:07 | andreashm | hi |
| 21:09 | Viktor | Hi andreashm |
| 21:13 | * cait | waves |
| 21:14 | cait | Viktor: are you stil planning to walk from the main station? |
| 21:16 | Viktor | cait: Yes. If it's not a "no no don't do that" :) |
| 21:16 | cait | i never tried :) |
| 21:16 | i usually take the subway | |
| 21:16 | Viktor | Hm. I got scared of french subway in Paris, but there is only two lines in Marseille(?) :) |
| 21:17 | cait | there is a good description on the spreadsheet - quite easy from the station |
| 21:17 | i am not super good at this, but with the direction and number it always worked well | |
| 21:17 | and the station is very close to the hotel | |
| 21:18 | Viktor | Great - thanks Cait! I didn't even notice the tabs. I only saw "Attendees" and thought "Well I guess we'll sort it out as it out along the ride" :) |
| 21:18 | andreashm | where is everyone staying? adonis? |
| 21:18 | cait | I am at adonis yes :) |
| 21:18 | nice and close | |
| 21:19 | * andreashm | is to lazy to pick up the google docs document |
| 21:19 | cait | Viktor: http://www.rtm.fr/sites/defaul[…]lanaxeslourds.pdf - i think you are right, 2 main ones |
| 21:19 | andreashm | the three of us from SUL will stay there too. |
| 21:20 | cait | :) |
| 21:20 | a hotel full of koha people | |
| 21:20 | andreashm | cait: sounds great. =) |
| 21:21 | cait | :) |
| 21:21 | Viktor | I'm counting to at least 13 at Adonis :) |
| 21:21 | cait | @wunder Marseille |
| 21:21 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Marseille / Marignane, France is 8.0°C (10:00 PM CET on February 24, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011 hPa (Rising). |
| 21:22 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 21:22 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 2.8°C (10:21 PM CET on February 24, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:22 | cait | it IS warmer |
| 21:28 | * cait | has hoped for MUCH warmer |
| 21:29 | Viktor | Better than here but not so warm that I'll want to go hiking instead of working :) |
| 21:29 | cait | :) |
| 21:29 | rangi | morning |
| 21:30 | cait | morning rangi |
| 21:30 | Viktor | marning rangi |
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| 21:39 | eythian | hi |
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| 21:57 | seneca | Hello everyone! |
| 21:58 | Getting a "ERR_CONNECTION_RESET" when trying to save a "new" report | |
| 21:58 | I've done some searching, probably not enough, but I didn't see any bugs regarding this | |
| 21:59 | It doesn't put anything in the intranet-access or error logs, either | |
| 22:00 | ...nor in the apache logs | |
| 22:00 | Has anyone else seen this in their install? | |
| 22:01 | It's running on Debian, updated just today to 3.18.04.000 | |
| 22:04 | Also happens whether I create the new report guided or just paste in the SQL | |
| 22:04 | cait | seneca: hm let me try on mine |
| 22:04 | seneca | Thanks :) |
| 22:05 | cait | a new sql report? |
| 22:05 | seneca | yes |
| 22:05 | cait | hm works on master for me |
| 22:06 | seneca | hmmm |
| 22:06 | cait | not sure what's going on there |
| 22:06 | seneca | It was about 3 months ago that I last updated, so I thought maybe that was the problem, that there was a bug fixed |
| 22:06 | but updating didn't fix anything | |
| 22:07 | cait | ah it was there before you updated to 3.18.4 too? |
| 22:07 | seneca | yeah |
| 22:07 | Didn't think to look at what version I was at this morning | |
| 22:07 | my first trouble shooting technique is usually to apply updates ;) | |
| 22:08 | It's an odd error, too - like apache is killing the connection... | |
| 22:08 | it happens on Chrome and Firefox (all I've tested) | |
| 22:08 | both current versions | |
| 22:08 | it's annoyingly not in any logs... | |
| 22:08 | (that I can find) | |
| 22:10 | cait | hm sounds like something database... but not sur ehow to debug |
| 22:10 | not many people around here this time of the day - at least not from europe | |
| 22:10 | maybe try the mailing list? | |
| 22:10 | seneca | OK - I'll do some more poking around |
| 22:10 | thanks for checking for me :) | |
| 22:11 | eythian | I'd be surprised if there wasn't something in a log somewhere |
| 22:11 | seneca | me too, but I can't find it |
| 22:11 | eythian | check the ones under /var/log/apache2 as well as the ones under /var/log/koha |
| 22:11 | seneca | yep, have |
| 22:11 | eythian | also perhaps check syslog |
| 22:11 | it sounds like an apache process crashing, which really shouldn't happen | |
| 22:12 | done an apache2 restart? | |
| 22:12 | seneca | nothing in syslog either |
| 22:12 | eythian | dmesg? |
| 22:12 | wahanui | dmesg is a kernel ring buffer that's not dependent on rsyslog. |
| 22:12 | seneca | I did a full reboot after the update |
| 22:13 | eythian | hmm |
| 22:14 | seneca | I know! It's quite puzzling. ;) |
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| 22:16 | seneca | The error from the browser is that it's getting disconnected from the server, so the server probably never sees an event it could classify as an error |
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| 22:26 | seneca | yeah, just verified that the server's seeing the page and resource accesses right up to the failure |
| 22:26 | and then nothing | |
| 22:49 | Francesca | rangi you there? |
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| 23:01 | rangi | just had a fire alarm |
| 23:01 | whats up? | |
| 23:02 | jcamins | rangi: the heart rates of all the people who just had to walk down forty flights of stairs. |
| 23:02 | rangi | yeah, and back up again, cos the lifts are on service mode still |
| 23:02 | jcamins | lol |
| 23:02 | rangi | only 7 for me |
| 23:03 | but still .. it was 6 too many ;) | |
| 23:03 | jcamins | Yay! You got your flights of stairs for the day! |
| 23:03 | eythian | jcamins: he had a large ice cream and oreo milkshake right before hand |
| 23:03 | so it may not count | |
| 23:03 | jcamins | eythian: sure it does. I don't track my food, just my steps. |
| 23:03 | rangi | heh |
| 23:03 | eythian | fair enough :D |
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| 23:10 | Francesca | hey rangi |
| 23:11 | rangi | hey Francesca |
| 23:11 | wahanui | I love the 11th doctor! |
| 23:11 | Francesca | nice, very clever |
| 23:11 | my new computer arrived so is there a time that suits you to come in and get my virtual machine set up? | |
| 23:12 | rangi | is it tuesdays that you have the afternoon free? |
| 23:12 | Francesca | I'm free all day on tuesdays |
| 23:12 | apart from 4.30 onwards | |
| 23:12 | rangi | cool, anytime next tuesday would be fine |
| 23:12 | Francesca | sweet |
| 23:12 | rangi | anytime before 2.30 actually |
| 23:12 | Francesca | Yup |
| 23:12 | rangi | cool |
| 23:13 | Francesca | I just need to install virtual box beforehand right? |
| 23:13 | rangi | yep |
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| 23:38 | Francesca | I'll see you next tuesday then |
| 23:40 | rangi | sweet see you then |
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