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| 00:45 | eythian | http://blog.ionelmc.ro/2014/12[…]le-choices-mysql/ <-- worth a bit of a read, we're probably doing many of these wrong |
| 01:15 | gmcharlt | http://galencharlton.com/blog/[…]ervice-providers/ |
| 01:18 | mtompset | Well said, gmcharlt. :) |
| 01:21 | By the way, who has edit'ing powers over the list? There was a request by M. Tamayao on February 4 to be added. :) | |
| 01:24 | eythian | I know wizzyrea does, but she's away today |
| 01:26 | mtompset | No problem. He's a friend of mine, and asked me about the status of it. I reminded him people are volunteers, so just wait two weeks before asking again. |
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| 02:14 | * Francesca | waves |
| 02:15 | eythian | "pv instance-2015-02-10.sql.gz | gunzip | sudo koha-mysql instance" is a handy way to do database restores with a progress bar |
| 02:15 | also, hi Francesca | |
| 02:19 | dcook | Oooh, eythian, that might be perfect for what I'm working on exactly right now |
| 02:19 | Well, maybe 5 minutes from now | |
| 02:20 | eythian | pv is quite useful for that sort of thing in general. It's basically 'cat' but with a progress bar. |
| 02:21 | dcook | Hmm, apparently I don't have pv installed |
| 02:21 | eythian | that's not surprising |
| 02:22 | dcook | Hmm, wouldn't you want "pv" at the unzip stage? |
| 02:22 | Or... | |
| 02:22 | Actually I have no idea what I'm talking about | |
| 02:22 | Anywho, back to what I was doing.. | |
| 02:23 | eythian | you can put it anywhere, but it can't know how big a pipe is |
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| 02:27 | irma__ | https://calyxinformationessent[…]=4B9BEAA0B75A7FCB |
| 02:28 | eythian | that needs a login to read |
| 02:40 | tcohen | eythian: I think being case insensitive might actually block a migration to postgres |
| 02:40 | eythian | hmm |
| 02:40 | maybe | |
| 02:40 | though, if we're relying on it, then it's a problem in koha, but I can't imagine there are too many places where we do | |
| 02:41 | rangi | hi Francesca |
| 02:41 | Francesca | hi rangi! |
| 02:41 | a vm runs best on 8g ram right? | |
| 02:42 | rangi | we dont so much anymore, as TT is case sensitive .. we are much better about it now |
| 02:42 | Francesca: yeah, the more ram the better | |
| 02:42 | tcohen | eythian: any place where we had problems validating and/or uppering-case stuff at some point |
| 02:42 | i recall authorized values... if you typed the same code, with different cases... | |
| 02:43 | mtompset | That still may be the case, tcohen. I vaguely recall something similar a while back. |
| 02:43 | Francesca | rangi: I probably wont be able to push anything up till the weekend at the earliest, I'm in my last week of summer school and have a lot of assingments due |
| 02:43 | also I am having trouble with a few things | |
| 02:43 | rangi | Francesca: sweet as |
| 02:43 | mtompset | Because all authorized values end up capitalized, I think. |
| 02:46 | rangi | as they should |
| 02:48 | tcohen | rangi, how can i find a bug i failed yesterday? |
| 02:48 | rangi | hmm? |
| 02:49 | as in one you marked failed qa? | |
| 02:49 | tcohen | i mistakenly cleaned my yesterday's queue, and lost track of a bug |
| 02:49 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]gzilla3/query.cgi |
| 02:49 | search by change history there | |
| 02:49 | tcohen | yes |
| 02:52 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]r&bug_status=Push |
| 02:52 | ed%20to%20Stable&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&bug_status=BLOCKED&chfield=bug_status&chfieldfrom=2015-02-08&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=Failed%20QA&f1=bug_status&list_id=121589&product=Koha&query_format=advanced | |
| 02:52 | damn | |
| 02:52 | hmm 2 secs | |
| 02:52 | pastebot | "rangi" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "try this" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/414 |
| 02:54 | tcohen | thanks rangi |
| 03:49 | bag | @later tell trea - happy birthday man |
| 03:49 | huginn | bag: The operation succeeded. |
| 03:50 | eythian | hah, he claimed he was off taking care of an unwell soren today. I bet he was just having a birthday party! |
| 03:51 | bag | eythian: I said happy birthday to him everyday that he worked with me |
| 03:52 | so sort of a silly thing that I do :P | |
| 03:52 | eythian | hehe fair enough |
| 03:52 | bag | funny that I did it on a day he was home taking care of Soren - poor guy |
| 03:52 | that is one little rad dood | |
| 03:53 | eythian | he was hanging out here over christmas a bit |
| 03:57 | * dcook | was wondering why trea always seemed to be having birthdays... |
| 04:05 | bag | well then happy birthday dcook and eythian |
| 04:05 | eythian | much too early :) |
| 04:06 | bag | ah it’s past 8pm here - so it’s WAY too late :P |
| 04:15 | mtompset | Greetings, dcook. :) |
| 04:17 | Have a great day, #koha bag eythian rangi dcook TGoat | |
| 04:17 | bag | later |
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| 07:07 | * magnus_afk | waves |
| 07:17 | * Viktor | waves att magnus_afk |
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| 07:21 | magnus_afk | ooh, a clone! :-) |
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| 07:32 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:32 | wahanui | hola, alex_a |
| 07:33 | * cait | waves too and runs off to work :) |
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| 07:40 | magnus_afk | bonjour! |
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| 07:45 | reiveune | hello |
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| 08:06 | magnus_afk | yay for bug 13691 |
| 08:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13691 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Add some selenium scripts |
| 08:07 | magnus_afk | not sure if i am a fan of selenium, but integration tests are definitely good! |
| 08:09 | Joubu | hello |
| 08:11 | magnus_afk: I don't like selenium neither :) | |
| 08:12 | I took me hours to write them | |
| 08:12 | cait | Joubu++ :) |
| 08:12 | thx for doing it | |
| 08:12 | Joubu | But I did not find something better |
| 08:12 | cait | Joubu: hackfest meeting at 4 our time today? |
| 08:13 | mtj | hi all |
| 08:14 | Joubu++ indeed, thanks for the sel. tests | |
| 08:15 | i spotted this recently... -> http://phantomjs.org/ | |
| 08:15 | ..i wondered if it might be useful for koha testing | |
| 08:18 | oooh, hooks up to jenkins too , http://phantomjs.org/network-monitoring.html | |
| 08:19 | magnus_afk | Joubu: any opinion on https://metacpan.org/pod/Test::WWW::Mechanize? |
| 08:20 | and Joubu++ definitely! | |
| 08:21 | Joubu | magnus_afk: We already use Test::WWw:Mechanize in some test, but I think selenium has more flexibility |
| 08:21 | for instance you can find a node using a xpath exp, not sur it's possible with T::WWW::M | |
| 08:22 | and selenium uses a "real" browser, you can test the js behavior | |
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| 08:22 | Joubu | I don't use it in the tests I have written, but it could be usefull later |
| 08:22 | magnus_afk | yeah, that is a good point, about js |
| 08:23 | the tests in t/db_dependent/www use T::W::M - i thought there was only one file in there, but more have been added while i wasn't looking. yay! | |
| 08:24 | ah, they are related to the unicode cleanup, excellent | |
| 08:25 | Joubu | yep, zeno wrote them |
| 08:26 | mtj: I had a look at phantomjs too, but I dislike the idea to write tests in js... | |
| 08:30 | cait | Joubu: 4 today? |
| 08:30 | mtj | yeah, i must agree |
| 08:31 | * magnus_afk | found this interesting http://modernperlbooks.com/mt/[…]dom-and-mech.html |
| 08:31 | Joubu | cait: hum, 4 what? |
| 08:31 | wahanui | it has been said that 4 is the attribute in bib1.att for title |
| 08:31 | Joubu | the meeting? |
| 08:31 | wahanui | well, the meeting is on wednesday? |
| 08:31 | cait | the meeting today :) |
| 08:32 | i think you missed my question earlier :) | |
| 08:32 | Joubu | magnus_afk: actually I added this subject to the last dev meeting, but we did not have the time to talk about that :) |
| 08:32 | I was sure some people have ideas, better than selenium | |
| 08:32 | cait: ha yes, sorry, I missed it! | |
| 08:32 | cait: it could be 4, I don't know where you are exactly ;) | |
| 08:33 | it's 15UTC, I let a link in the email I sent to koha-devel | |
| 08:34 | cait | aaah and you are in uk |
| 08:34 | ok, i will just be around and hope the best ;) | |
| 08:34 | the google hackfest spreadsheet confuses me - it claims that i have worked on the workshop page, but i haven#t? | |
| 08:34 | oh... never mind | |
| 08:34 | wahanui | Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot. |
| 08:34 | cait | i am on the one from last year |
| 08:35 | Joubu | Tomas suggested a video conf, but not sure it's a good idea |
| 08:35 | cait | this feels like monday |
| 08:35 | i think he was thining about a different topic for this | |
| 08:37 | not sure | |
| 08:45 | magnus_afk | hm, lots of different selenium modules on cpan |
| 08:50 | Joubu | magnus_afk: I am pretty sure the one I used is the good one |
| 08:55 | magnus_afk | ko, i have no idea :-) |
| 08:55 | s/ko/ok/ | |
| 09:02 | cait | Joubu: around? |
| 09:03 | Joubu | cait: yep |
| 09:08 | cait | what does the opac=1 do again? |
| 09:09 | on the bug you commented :) | |
| 09:09 | Joubu | it hides the items for the opac |
| 09:09 | cait | the opachiddenitems items? |
| 09:09 | Joubu | ye |
| 09:09 | p | |
| 09:09 | cait | ah ok |
| 09:10 | so we shoudl always turn thaton | |
| 09:10 | would you be ok with me providing a patch for a switch? | |
| 09:10 | separately? | |
| 09:10 | Joubu | yep |
| 09:10 | cait | how shoudl we handle the opac=1? |
| 09:11 | the oai patch is passed qa - should be pushed soon hopefully | |
| 09:11 | Joubu | what do you mean by "how"? |
| 09:12 | cait | ah, shoudl we add a follow-up on the list/cart bug |
| 09:12 | Joubu | That's not what you were suggesting? |
| 09:14 | cait | suggesting 2 things - have the opac=1 flag and have a separate feature to turn off items altogether |
| 09:14 | guess i am asking fi you'd mind adding a follow-up with opac=1 to the existing patch set | |
| 09:15 | Joubu | why do you want to turn off items? |
| 09:15 | cait | because of the internal notes |
| 09:15 | Joubu | It was a bug, not a feature ;) |
| 09:15 | cait | there is information in items that is not supposed for the user |
| 09:15 | in some cases | |
| 09:16 | sorry, i think i might be confusing this morning :) | |
| 09:16 | Joubu | we need to provide a way to hide fields at the opac |
| 09:16 | cait | yep |
| 09:16 | Joubu | not to completely hide the items |
| 09:16 | cait | i agree |
| 09:16 | but hiding them is the quick way... filtering out specific fields is too big for me | |
| 09:17 | maybe something we could take a look at in marseille together? | |
| 09:17 | Joubu | Since the notes are already displayed (do you confirm?), I am not sure we should do something specific for this ft |
| 09:18 | cait | they are not |
| 09:18 | Joubu | nowhere? |
| 09:18 | wahanui | nowhere is probably close to nz |
| 09:18 | cait | internal note is not displayed in the opac |
| 09:18 | the filtering works for items mostly ok right now - not so much fields in the record itself | |
| 09:19 | Joubu | and now it will be displayed for oai and basket+list, that's it? |
| 09:19 | cait | yep |
| 09:20 | probably in cart before - because you only made it consistent | |
| 09:20 | but it's something that bothers me - so I'd like to fix it | |
| 09:20 | but probably can't fix it right now | |
| 09:21 | showing hidden items is even worse, so good to have that fixed at least | |
| 09:21 | Joubu | so I would prefer to remove the internalnotes field from EmbedITems if the opac param is set |
| 09:22 | cait | we don't have a db feild for it yet (it's on another bug) |
| 09:22 | i think safest would be to use the hidden flags | |
| 09:22 | if it's not showing in the opac, don't include it | |
| 09:23 | Joubu | too many level here... |
| 09:23 | cait | it's a big problem |
| 09:23 | in scope | |
| 09:23 | Joubu | some stuffs are done in pl script, others in the core... |
| 09:23 | cait | yeah, it's messy |
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| 09:25 | cait | that's why the idea to just say... don't include the items |
| 09:25 | but not a real fix | |
| 09:25 | Joubu | do you know the bug number for the internalnotes field? |
| 09:25 | mveron | Hi #koha |
| 09:26 | @wunder Basel | |
| 09:26 | huginn | mveron: The current temperature in Attenschwiller, Sundgau, Attenschwiller, Switzerland is 1.6°C (10:25 AM CET on February 11, 2015). Conditions: Light Freezing Fog. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:26 | Joubu | hi mveron |
| 09:26 | mveron | hi Joubu :-) |
| 09:26 | cait | 13023 |
| 09:26 | we currently already offer it - it's just going into more_subfields_xml | |
| 09:27 | it's been in the marc21 frameworks forever - just cleaning it up to a 'real' field with this patch | |
| 09:27 | mveron | Is there a bugunderway to have dates formatted as 11.02.2015 ? Or do I miss something in the sysprefs? |
| 09:27 | cait | mveron: there was an approach - but it failed because of using C4::Dates |
| 09:27 | which is deprecated | |
| 09:28 | mveron | Hmm, we would need it for a library interested in Koha :-) |
| 09:28 | cait | bug 12072 |
| 09:28 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12072 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Failed QA , New dateformat dd.mm.yyyy |
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| 09:29 | mveron | Thanks, cait :-) |
| 09:30 | Joubu | cait: sorry, I don't see a good and quick solution here |
| 09:37 | cait | i know, don't worry |
| 09:46 | another question... any suggestions for nice cusomized opacs using the bootstrap theme? ) | |
| 09:48 | dexap | mveron: my mind boggles that the available date formats are so damned limited, and hard-coded in multiple places. but i CBA to work on that bug right now. |
| 09:48 | Joubu | cait: I am currently on http://catalogue.mediathequederoubaix.fr |
| 09:50 | cait | cool thx :) |
| 09:50 | updating our training materials with some examples | |
| 09:54 | Joubu | mveron: the author does not seem to agree with qa pov, not sure he will submit a follow-up |
| 09:54 | mveron: it's a shame, it's quite easy to do... | |
| 09:55 | mveron | Joubu: Ok, will have a look at it... |
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| 10:23 | vfernandes | hi guys |
| 10:23 | cait | hi vfernandes |
| 10:24 | vfernandes | one question: are errors like this [cgid:error] [pid 48831:tid 139817945880320] (32)Broken pipe: [client 192.168.38.106:58935] AH02550: Failed to flush CGI output to client, referer: http://backoffice.ubi.pt/cgi-b[…]rrowernumber=6564 normal in koha-error_log? |
| 10:24 | i'm getting 5/10 logs like this per day | |
| 10:35 | magnuse | vfernandes: which log? apache? syslog? |
| 10:36 | vfernandes | koha logs - koha-error_log |
| 10:37 | magnuse | i can check on my server |
| 10:37 | vfernandes | i'm using koha 3.16 |
| 10:40 | magnuse | "sudo grep "Broken pipe" /var/log/koha/*/*.log" gives no hits on my production server |
| 10:42 | vfernandes | so what it could be? |
| 10:42 | magnuse | sorry, i have no idea |
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| 11:33 | Joubu | cait: any thoughts on bug 11625 comment 25? |
| 11:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11625 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Default to logged in library for circ rules and notices & slips |
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| 11:47 | drojf | hi #koha |
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| 11:56 | drojf | the request on the list looks like a great no-koha-service-provider |
| 11:57 | cait | hi drojf - a new one? |
| 11:58 | Joubu | khall: could you please give an answer to my note on bug 12357? |
| 11:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12357 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Enhancements to RIS and BibTeX exporting |
| 11:58 | drojf | cait: last mail on the main list from half an hour ago |
| 11:58 | khall | Joubu: will do! |
| 12:00 | drojf | there is so much no-koha that i'd consider it to be, quoting the paid support how-to page, "Entries that are obviously spam (i.e., not relevant to Koha services) will not be accepted." or i am really missing something |
| 12:01 | khall | Joubu: replied |
| 12:01 | Joubu | drojf: Galen wrote something about that |
| 12:02 | drojf: http://koha-community.org/clar[…]upport-companies/ | |
| 12:03 | khall: looks at your patch "Tidy Ris.pm" | |
| 12:03 | this line: - @field_list = ('600', '601', '602', '604', '605', '606','607', '608', '610', '615', '620', '660'. '661', '670', '675', '676', '680', '686'); | |
| 12:04 | is splitted into 3 lines, where, if I remember correctly, my try did not split it | |
| 12:04 | drojf | Joubu: but that is a different story. to GET listed, the simple thing you have to do, AFAIK, is to have some kind of koha service visible on your website and a link to the community website. the last request does not even mention in the description in the mail ;) |
| 12:04 | Joubu | I am not against long lines :) |
| 12:04 | khall | odd. Do you want to submit alternate Tidying maptches? |
| 12:04 | drojf | *mention koha |
| 12:05 | of course being listed does not mean much, but that is another point | |
| 12:05 | Joubu | khall: actually I don't care, but it could be great to use the same standard |
| 12:05 | could you try to tidy the file without your extra rule and see if the line is splitted or not? | |
| 12:05 | khall | Joubu: I agree. Let me re-tidy without my customization |
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| 12:07 | Joubu | drojf: the list is so long, I don't know how someone could find something in it |
| 12:07 | drojf: could be useful to highlight some, depending on the contributions | |
| 12:07 | drojf | Joubu: search by country, done. that is how it is done here |
| 12:08 | at least that is my perception | |
| 12:08 | khall | Joubu: updated patches posted to bug 12357 |
| 12:08 | Joubu | the list by country is clear |
| 12:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12357 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Enhancements to RIS and BibTeX exporting |
| 12:08 | drojf | yes, look for someone being active in the community would be my recommendation if somebody asks me |
| 12:09 | Joubu | khall: thanks, I will have a look after the lunch |
| 12:09 | khall | np! |
| 12:10 | drojf | search by country does not work well for india though. we should have a gazillion indian devs… oh we don't. ^^ |
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| 12:51 | viktor | Is anyone around that loves git problems? Did a (very) minor but useful patch in bug 13686 where posting a correction to the first patch started messing things up. Not it's stuck with problems in a 3 way merge. |
| 12:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13686 trivial, P5 - low, ---, viktor.sarge, Needs Signoff , Add a hint about collation to the "alphabet" syspref |
| 12:52 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:54 | viktor | attachment 35825 is the correct one and I tried both posting it as a --amend on top of the first one (while it was active) and obsoleting all other patches. Refues to work both in sandboxes and with git bz apply |
| 12:54 | huginn | 03Attachment http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]35825&action=edit patch, Bug 13686 Add a hint about collation to the alphabet syspref, Bug-13686-Add-a-hint-about-collation-to-the-alphab.patch |
| 12:54 | viktor | morning tcohen! |
| 12:57 | magnuse | viktor: so you are on abranch, you have one good commit and then the second commit on top of that messed things up? |
| 12:58 | viktor | magnuse: Yep. Did the mistake of using a diacritic in the second commit message. It crashed, put the file as "untracked" and I had to run --amend. That got the second patch in. Then there was additional confusion later from posting additional updates :) |
| 12:59 | And now I have no idea what so ever in what state my git is in :) | |
| 13:00 | I'm comfortable with messing up my local git directory, but unfortunately there seems to be confusion on the bugzilla end now. | |
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| 13:03 | magnuse | sounds like you might want to fix things up locally, squash your two commits into one and then push that to bugzilla, obsoleting what is there already |
| 13:03 | what does "git log" and "git status" tell you? | |
| 13:07 | pastebot | "Viktor" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Output from git log on bug 13686 my local repo" (38 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/415 |
| 13:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13686 trivial, P5 - low, ---, viktor.sarge, Needs Signoff , Add a hint about collation to the "alphabet" syspref |
| 13:08 | magnuse | soo... 3 commits with the same commit message? |
| 13:09 | viktor | magnuse: Was only correcting a typo so copied the message and added a short extra line to each one. So yes :) |
| 13:10 | Sort of tempted to just open another bug, do the patch in a new branch and pretend this never happened ;) | |
| 13:11 | tcohen | cait |
| 13:11 | /invoke cait | |
| 13:11 | viktor | I don't quite understand why obsoleting the other patches don't leave the last one working. And I seem to only dig the hole deeper... |
| 13:14 | magnuse | well, if you have three commits on top of each other, the first one changes something and then the second one corrects the typo |
| 13:15 | if you only upload the last commit to bugzilla it will try to fix a typo in text that is missing (because it is in the first patch) | |
| 13:15 | so, let's try and squash those 3 commits | |
| 13:16 | i think that would be "git rebase -i HEAD~3" | |
| 13:16 | try that and paste the output? | |
| 13:17 | viktor | Thanks! Coming up. |
| 13:18 | Hm. Complains about "It looks like git-am is in progress. Cannot rebase". | |
| 13:18 | Joubu | git am --abort |
| 13:18 | or git bz apply --abort | |
| 13:19 | (if you was running a git bz apply | |
| 13:19 | ) | |
| 13:20 | viktor | Hm. Running git am --abort works. But when I run git rebase -i HEAD -3 it complains. But in new ways :) "fatal: Needed a singe revision" |
| 13:21 | tcohen | Joubu: can u take a look at my followup for 10848? |
| 13:22 | Joubu | tcohen: I have just added it to my todolist :) |
| 13:22 | tcohen | thanks! |
| 13:23 | cait | huh? |
| 13:24 | tcohen | bug 13142 |
| 13:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13142 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Change "mobile phone" label back to "other phone" |
| 13:24 | tcohen | when will this end? |
| 13:24 | cait | viktor: HEAD tilde 3 :) |
| 13:24 | tcohen: never? :P | |
| 13:24 | but consistency is desirable | |
| 13:25 | so what's the problem? :) | |
| 13:25 | tcohen | we need a borrower_phone table (id, borrowernumber, phone, type[ENUM]) and stop doing this. |
| 13:25 | Joubu | I am waiting for you to push the patch, to open a new bug report "change label other to mobile" :p |
| 13:26 | tcohen | i was about to fill it, before pushing it :-P |
| 13:26 | magnuse | viktor: what cait said :-) |
| 13:27 | tcohen | how does the SMS module know where to send the message? |
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| 13:29 | viktor | Ah. Finally managed to follow clear instructions :) Have nano open now. |
| 13:30 | Should I remove the lines for the three commits we're trying to get rid of? | |
| 13:31 | magnuse | nope |
| 13:31 | can you paste what you see? | |
| 13:31 | paste? | |
| 13:31 | wahanui | paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 13:32 | pastebot | "Viktor" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Output from git rebase" (56 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/416 |
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| 13:39 | magnuse | viktor: you want to edit what you see there, and replace the second or third "pick" with either "s" or "f" - if you choose "s" you will get all commit messages in an edit screen and you have to edit it to your liking". if you use "f" then you only get the one commit message, and you can edit that to your liking |
| 13:39 | hm, wait a minute | |
| 13:39 | i am not sure if you should change the first and second "pick" or the second and third... anyone? cait? | |
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| 13:40 | cait | leave the first |
| 13:41 | change the other to to s | |
| 13:41 | wahanui | cait: that doesn't look right |
| 13:41 | cait | other 2 to |
| 13:41 | Joubu | tcohen: the sms module use a driver, defined in the pref SMSSendDriver |
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| 13:42 | tcohen | yes, but how does it choose the phone number to use for the patron? |
| 13:43 | magnuse | viktor: so leave the first "pick" as it is, change number 2 and 3 |
| 13:43 | Joubu | tcohen: 88 $sent = $sender->send_sms( to => $params->{'destination'}, |
| 13:43 | viktor | Ok. There?s 4 attachments on the bugzilla thread. At I think at least two were ran with --amend. Will this leave just the last in working condition? |
| 13:43 | Joubu | tcohen: see C4::Letters::_send_message_by_sms |
| 13:44 | viktor | Very happy you can help me out here :) |
| 13:44 | Will do magnuse | |
| 13:44 | tcohen | Joubu: ah, smsalertnumber |
| 13:45 | Joubu | tcohen: ha yes, sorry. Did not get the question... |
| 13:45 | tcohen | so, there is a specific field for setting a mobile phone number |
| 13:46 | pastebot | "Viktor" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Think the rebase messed things up again :)" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/417 |
| 13:47 | cait | tcohen: there are 2 i think - but one will cause you to get sms while the other would not |
| 13:47 | and one only shows up when the fetaure is activated for sending sms | |
| 13:47 | tcohen | borrowers.mobile => won't send |
| 13:48 | cait | there is anther field in the borrowerstable |
| 13:48 | tcohen | borrowers.smsalertnumber => will send |
| 13:48 | cait | smsalertnumber |
| 13:49 | tcohen | and there's no way to show smsalertnumber on the UI? |
| 13:50 | broken | |
| 13:50 | cait | activate enhanced messaging |
| 13:50 | Joubu | tcohen: on the patron detail page |
| 13:50 | cait | and the sms driver |
| 13:50 | Joubu | but...yes |
| 13:50 | cait | then it will show in the table for the patron notifications |
| 13:50 | tcohen | by design |
| 13:51 | cait | or it did that - not sure with the changes we made there for mulitples - haven't checked |
| 13:52 | tcohen | so: borrower_phone table (id, borrowernumber, phone, type[mobile|home|work|other], use_for_sms[0|1], primary[0|1]) |
| 13:52 | viktor | magnuse cait - This seems to become more work than it's worth. Would it help to just clean out my local git sync everything with the upstream again and commit from a new branch? |
| 13:52 | tcohen | and oleonard will take care of letting the user choose a really cool icon depicting the phone type |
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| 13:53 | magnuse | viktor: yeah, that is ht eboring solution ;-) |
| 13:53 | Joubu | viktor: git format-patch -n 3; git apply patch1.patch patch2.patch patch3.patch; git commit -a |
| 13:53 | git reset --hard origin/master avec the format-patch | |
| 13:53 | s/avec/avant | |
| 13:53 | oops, not in french:) | |
| 13:53 | s/avec/before | |
| 13:54 | * magnuse | suspects Joubu knows what he is talking about |
| 13:58 | pastebot | "Viktor" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Got a bit interesting at least." (32 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/418 |
| 13:59 | Joubu | viktor: where are your 3 patches? |
| 14:00 | * Joubu | should not have answered with a reset --hard |
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| 14:01 | Joubu | khall: On bug 13517, don't you think it is better to provide a patch for the enh, and open a bug report to tidy the file? |
| 14:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13517 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Show waiting date on reserve/request.pl |
| 14:02 | viktor | Joubu - Have no idea :) |
| 14:02 | Joubu | khall: I am not sure it's a good idea to tidy reserve.pl |
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| 14:03 | * Joubu | is feeling stupid |
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| 14:03 | viktor | I want my "sm?rg?sbord" with my "ombudsman" but will have to settle for "fika" ;) |
| 14:04 | No worries Joubu - it's a very minor patch really and I don't even have that much interesting stuff in my local git anyway. | |
| 14:04 | Joubu | viktor: good |
| 14:04 | * Joubu | is feeling better |
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| 14:05 | viktor | All things I'm working on i submitted and the stuff that isn't was going south anyway :) |
| 14:05 | Good Joubu | |
| 14:05 | Joubu | viktor: actually reset --hard remove all your local changes |
| 14:05 | khall | Joubu: I felt the tidy was needed. However, if you feel strongly about that you can deprecate the tidying patch |
| 14:06 | viktor | By the time I write large and complex patches I hope to have picked up some Git skills along the way. But it's great to learn along the way with the help of everybody! |
| 14:06 | Thanks for trying to help me out Joubu++ Cait++ Magnuse++ | |
| 14:07 | Joubu | khall: I don't want to dictate that. But personnaly I would prefer to avoid this kind of massive changes |
| 14:07 | viktor | I'll head for some fika and might get back on the horse again later. |
| 14:07 | khall | Joubu: go ahead an deprecate it. If only because it will introduce conflicts with other patches |
| 14:08 | cait | np viktor - looking forward to see you again :) |
| 14:08 | Joubu | khall: the problem is that the enh patch is based on top of the tidying patch... |
| 14:09 | khall | yep, I'll have to fix that up |
| 14:09 | magnuse | happy fika viktor |
| 14:18 | khall | Joubu: bug 13517 is now all fixed up |
| 14:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13517 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Show waiting date on reserve/request.pl |
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| 14:28 | magnuse | kia ora dpavlin |
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| 14:29 | druthb | kia ora, #koha. |
| 14:30 | magnuse | howdy druthb |
| 14:30 | druthb | magnuse! |
| 14:30 | wahanui1 | magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. |
| 14:31 | * dpavlin | hides in shame because he is not more often on irc :-) |
| 14:32 | cait | hi dpavlin *drags him out of hiding* |
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| 14:36 | drojf | druthb! |
| 14:36 | druthb | drojf! cait! |
| 14:36 | drojf | dpavlin! |
| 14:36 | wahanui1 | Taking over the world is trivial for this one... |
| 14:36 | cait | druthb! |
| 14:44 | * magnuse | drags dpavlin out of hiding too |
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| 14:59 | Joubu | cait, kivilahtio, dpavlin, magnuse, ashimema, khall, JesseM, bag, akafred: Did you already prepare a coffee cup? :) |
| 14:59 | dpavlin | sure :-) |
| 14:59 | khall | s/coffee/mountain dew/g |
| 14:59 | Joubu | and tcohen? he left |
| 15:00 | JesseM | Oh Yeah! |
| 15:00 | bag | working on Joubu |
| 15:00 | working on IT ;) | |
| 15:01 | Joubu | Good, I did not prepare anything, I was on another unexpected meeting... |
| 15:01 | * druthb | blames bag |
| 15:01 | Joubu | The idea is to share our needs for the hackfest in 3 weeks in Marseille |
| 15:01 | * bag | needs cheese and beer :) |
| 15:01 | Joubu | the doc is https://docs.google.com/a/bibl[…]sharing_eid#gid=6 |
| 15:02 | there are already some entries in the workshops tab | |
| 15:02 | kivilahtio | Yeah I donät have a coffee mug either |
| 15:02 | I havea a beer mug | |
| 15:02 | gerundio | hello |
| 15:02 | wahanui1 | privet, gerundio |
| 15:03 | kivilahtio | I was hoping to contribute for the community, we don't have any agenda for this year |
| 15:03 | Joubu | Is it exhaustive or someone has another wish? |
| 15:03 | gerundio | I'm trying to troubleshoot Z39.50 server settings on a koha installation |
| 15:03 | kivilahtio | I haven't been signing off and I feel really bad about it. So I was hoping to sign off stuff |
| 15:03 | gerundio | is there any z39.50 client for windows besides yaz that you recommend? |
| 15:03 | Joubu | kivilahtio: you will have a whole week to signoff on patches ) |
| 15:04 | gerundio: could you please back in ~1hour, we are in an unofficial meeting | |
| 15:04 | * magnuse | needs cheese too |
| 15:04 | magnuse | bag: HI |
| 15:04 | gerundio | Joubu, sure |
| 15:04 | * bag | looking forward to having a few different things ready for testers etc. |
| 15:05 | Joubu | Don't be worry about the cheeses :) |
| 15:05 | bag | Elastic Search, new catalogers interface, khall ’s account rewrite |
| 15:05 | Joubu | bag: ok, I will add it on the gdoc |
| 15:06 | khall | bag summed up my list as well |
| 15:06 | * magnuse | gotta run, but do not have any strong wishes for the hackfest, besides lots of bugs getting signed off |
| 15:06 | bag | hey khall what’s the bug number for pianohackers angluar circ |
| 15:06 | Joubu | bag: it could be nice to have a doc on elastic search, what is done, what is in progress, what will be done, etc. |
| 15:06 | nengard | I plan on getting the help files up to date!!! a week of uninterrupted Koha work will rock |
| 15:07 | bag | Joubu: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13630 (really really really pushing to have this ready for Hackfest) |
| 15:07 | huginn | 04Bug 13630: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Angular-based circulation client |
| 15:07 | khall | bag: looking |
| 15:07 | ah, you beat me | |
| 15:08 | bag | Joubu: ok I can write such a document there to update everyone on ES |
| 15:08 | Joubu | bag: whaou, I was not aware about that, is there the code published somewhere? |
| 15:08 | bag | Joubu: it’s in pianohackers github currently |
| 15:08 | Joubu: https://github.com/pianohacker[…]tree/angular-circ | |
| 15:09 | Joubu | yep, found it |
| 15:09 | kivilahtio | Elastic search |
| 15:09 | Joubu | ha no, I found https://github.com/pianohacker[…]ts/angular-submit |
| 15:09 | kivilahtio | I think if we did something as a community we could focus on that |
| 15:09 | but it might be too big for one week | |
| 15:09 | bag | there are a few other branches in there - I think he needs to merge and submit somethings for a nice clean patch |
| 15:09 | Joubu | bag: Updated 8 months ago by pianohacker |
| 15:09 | could be great to see it rebased :) | |
| 15:10 | bag | that’s what I’m pushing for :) (he’s a busy university kid) |
| 15:11 | Joubu | kivilahtio: about ES, bag is expecting to have something testable for the hackfest |
| 15:11 | kivilahtio | Joubu: I can help test that like a hawk |
| 15:11 | bag | cool |
| 15:11 | kivilahtio | I am getting full of this Zebra madness. It is so freaking frustrating |
| 15:11 | Joubu | kivilahtio: you can already test it, don't need to wait for the hackfest |
| 15:11 | kivilahtio | even the docs suck so badly |
| 15:12 | Joubu: I'll wait for the hackfest. I have a ongoing migration going :) | |
| 15:12 | + ton of stuff | |
| 15:12 | Joubu | kivilahtio: I know you have a lot of spare time |
| 15:12 | magnuse: still here? | |
| 15:12 | wahanui1 | here is where I work |
| 15:12 | kivilahtio | Joubu: yeah, all I do is chat with you guys :) |
| 15:13 | bag | magnuse: HI |
| 15:13 | wahanui1 | bonjour, bag |
| 15:13 | Joubu | no, he left too |
| 15:13 | ok, so, somebody else has special needs/wants? | |
| 15:13 | dpavlin: ? | |
| 15:14 | cait | oh sorry, i missed it :( |
| 15:14 | Joubu | dpavlin: Do you plan to work on something special? |
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| 15:14 | Joubu | And you, cait, what do you want to do at the hackfest? |
| 15:15 | dpavlin | no, I'm quote happy to help with anything |
| 15:15 | kivilahtio | Joubu: I would like to have some good nuts and fruits, to compensate for the lack of cheese |
| 15:15 | tcohen | hi, sorry for the delay |
| 15:15 | kivilahtio | erm, not lack of cheese, but my lack of beign able to enjoy cheese |
| 15:15 | Joubu | kivilahtio: you will eat bananas all day long |
| 15:16 | kivilahtio | Joubu: I already eat bananas all day long, and swedes. |
| 15:16 | cait | i expect to do a lot of qa, but would also like to see some progress on plack |
| 15:16 | and maybe a group working to 'kill dead code' | |
| 15:16 | tcohen | i expect to achieve full plack support |
| 15:16 | Joubu | tcohen: we just added some stuffs ByWater would like to see them tested during the hackfest, I added it to the gdoc (workshop tab) |
| 15:16 | cait | there are a few things we could tidy up... sqlhelper... the CGI modules... some unused tables etc. |
| 15:16 | dpavlin | we have been running plack for both intranet and opac for half a year, so I have some expirience |
| 15:16 | Joubu | tcohen: plack: do you know what is the remaining work for that? |
| 15:17 | dpavlin | including somewhat easy upgrade path from apache installation to apache+plack |
| 15:17 | Joubu | sqlhelper will be done soon |
| 15:17 | tcohen | dpavlin: that sounds as a plan to me :-D |
| 15:17 | Joubu | no need to wait for the hackfest :) |
| 15:17 | cait | the stats Joubu did with plack are pretty impressive |
| 15:17 | Joubu | dpavlin: do you have memory leaks? |
| 15:17 | cait | it would be cool if the hackfest ended with a clear path forward |
| 15:17 | and a set of instructions for the preferred method of activating plack :) | |
| 15:18 | dpavlin | I restart perl process for each request, mostly because of encoding and zebra problems so I don't see any memory leaks |
| 15:18 | I hope that utf-8 cleanups will fix encoding problems, so only problem left will be zebra | |
| 15:19 | (which I suspect is encoding problem when trasfering request to zebra) | |
| 15:19 | cait | I am also lookign forward to the API discussion |
| 15:19 | wahanui1 | okay, cait. |
| 15:19 | tcohen | dpavlin: please fill a bug for the specific problem so we can be prepared to fix it |
| 15:19 | Joubu | dpavlin: ho, I thought you were tracking master |
| 15:19 | dpavlin | If I had clear adea what it is, I would make a bug. |
| 15:19 | but, unfortunatly I don't | |
| 15:19 | cait | dpavlin: maybe you coudl add some notes tot he spreadsheet? |
| 15:20 | bag | oh we should probably have a quick talk about where we are with plack and follow up on ashimema ’s devel email a few weeks ago |
| 15:20 | tcohen | dpavlin: the symptoms would be enough |
| 15:20 | Joubu | I have just added the "full plack support /plack out of the box" |
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| 15:20 | bag | excellent |
| 15:21 | Joubu | bag: do you use plack in production? |
| 15:21 | dpavlin | tcohen: we will push master into production before hackfest, and submit bug, I promise :-) |
| 15:21 | tcohen | awesomw |
| 15:22 | bag | Joubu: only on opac |
| 15:22 | Joubu | what is the "Browser-based tests for Koha (demo from OPL)" entry? |
| 15:22 | ok, we don't, but we will put plack in a 3.18 test server soon (something like tomorrow) | |
| 15:23 | hopefully we will catch problems | |
| 15:23 | no problem would be better :) | |
| 15:24 | What could be a plan for the rest api? | |
| 15:24 | to be productive | |
| 15:25 | just write/complete an rfc won't be enought IMO, we need a poc at the end of the week, with technical approvements | |
| 15:25 | tcohen | maybe have a mini-workshop on writing REST services using Koha::Services |
| 15:25 | following an OO model, and khall's API draft | |
| 15:25 | khall | sounds good |
| 15:26 | kivilahtio | regarding rest api, what is wrong with ILS-DI? |
| 15:26 | can't we extend that? | |
| 15:26 | I guess ILS-DI is not exactly rest, but it seems like a very good API | |
| 15:26 | Joubu | khall: where is your draft? |
| 15:27 | khall | kivilahtio: yeah, I think that would be something concurrent or something we can build on top of our own REST api |
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| 15:27 | khall | Joubu: this is what we have so far: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]PI_RFC#Guidelines.2Frules_for_the_new_API |
| 15:27 | I haven't really found much to add to it | |
| 15:27 | kivilahtio | khall: I know it is not exaclty standard based bu we could add more ILS-DI commands outside of the standard scope |
| 15:27 | cait | kivilahtio: it's limited |
| 15:27 | andnot really maintained | |
| 15:27 | well in koha iti s | |
| 15:27 | but not the standard that's behind it i think | |
| 15:27 | kivilahtio | cait: ok |
| 15:28 | cait: do we have any other inter-library interoperability standards? | |
| 15:28 | cait | reading back sec |
| 15:28 | kivilahtio | I hate these ILS specific API's, why everobody needs to have their own? |
| 15:29 | we also have a ton of issues here in Finland regarding non-standard API's and having a Koha RESTful API is another new API to the mix | |
| 15:29 | tcohen | kivilahtio: is not only about interoperability (which will benefit, a lot) but about design, and technologies |
| 15:29 | having a coherent RESTfull API is key to have a better UI, better/cleaner code | |
| 15:29 | cait | also ils offer different features |
| 15:30 | khall | indeed, if all ILS had the exact same features it would be easy to have a universal api, but they don't |
| 15:30 | cait | so i think there are always differences to be expected |
| 15:30 | kivilahtio | tcohen: So you are planning on using the RESTful api as the internal API for Koha modules as well. To AJAXIfy it more ? |
| 15:30 | tcohen | that's the plan, yes |
| 15:30 | maybe... | |
| 15:30 | wahanui1 | somebody said maybe was a momentaneous error |
| 15:30 | khall | indeed! |
| 15:30 | kivilahtio | tcohen: I can agree to that |
| 15:30 | tcohen | angularize... |
| 15:30 | =D | |
| 15:30 | kivilahtio | actually it is a spectalcularly great idea :) |
| 15:30 | khall | angular++ |
| 15:30 | tcohen | angular++ |
| 15:31 | khall | But we need to figure our the best way to create reusable angular components for Koha |
| 15:31 | kivilahtio | I undesrtand |
| 15:31 | so It is making Koha more like MVC than about making 3rd parties integrate stuff into Koha? | |
| 15:31 | or kinda both :) | |
| 15:32 | khall | exactly |
| 15:32 | both actually | |
| 15:32 | didn't read the second line ; ) | |
| 15:32 | mtompset | *sigh* Do we have to keep adding technologies? |
| 15:32 | kivilahtio | interstink |
| 15:32 | tcohen | mtompset: *rel¿placing* |
| 15:32 | kivilahtio | mtompset: I agree that we should also deprecate stuff |
| 15:33 | mtompset | ^adding^changing^ |
| 15:33 | khall | we're sharks, we must always keep moving forward |
| 15:33 | mtompset | #info Mark Tompsett |
| 15:33 | kivilahtio | mtompset: but I think this is the same as moving from DBI to DBIx |
| 15:33 | tcohen | mtompset: it is more like doing the same, but better, more consistently |
| 15:33 | kivilahtio | khall: agreed |
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| 15:33 | Joubu | It would be good to have a performance script too, like the one I did using selenium |
| 15:33 | tcohen | with proper frameworks, etc |
| 15:34 | kivilahtio | Koha has a looong slimy tail needing refactoring |
| 15:34 | cait | if we want to deprecate stuff... could someone rewrite the drag and drop in acq to not use yui then? :) |
| 15:34 | Joubu | we should catch performance issues earlier |
| 15:34 | cait | that woudl make owen happy and we can kick it out :) |
| 15:34 | tcohen | those selenium tests, should be on master soon, and run by jenkins |
| 15:34 | just as the integration tests for UTF-8 are | |
| 15:34 | mtompset | Restful: good. But adding/removing technologies "constantly (e.g. solr which never fully made it in), seems like a waste of time. |
| 15:34 | Joubu | tcohen: they are not enought, it's just few use cases |
| 15:35 | dpavlin | cait: there is drag and drop in acq? Marijana and me are wondering where.... |
| 15:35 | kivilahtio | dpavlin: Marijuana and me are also wondering :) |
| 15:35 | Joubu | basketgroup? |
| 15:35 | kivilahtio | yeah |
| 15:35 | kill it | |
| 15:35 | when I make acquisitons I enter another world for a while when moving basketgroups around | |
| 15:36 | cait | dpavlin: basket groups - open a basket group you can drag and drop the baskets in that form |
| 15:36 | mtompset | *cringes* basket group. |
| 15:36 | kivilahtio | :) |
| 15:36 | tell me about it. I managed to keep my cool when teaching people to do acquisitons :) | |
| 15:36 | Joubu | maybe we should think about sign some dev off too... |
| 15:36 | cait | i have lots of ideas for dead code - can keep you all busy ;) |
| 15:36 | dpavlin | ok, Marijana confirms that she knows about it |
| 15:36 | kivilahtio | but in a way it is a good feature |
| 15:37 | cait | i just want to kill the library - not the feature :) |
| 15:37 | kivilahtio | we can collect orders from many libraries to one big basket. Then a big acq boss can inspect the order |
| 15:37 | Joubu | ok so, conclusion, the hackfest should go on 2 weeks, that's it? |
| 15:37 | cait | Joubu: should we add ideas to the spraedsheet and add our names where we are intersted in? |
| 15:37 | kivilahtio | I find ElasticSearch and killing Zebra the biggest concern for us |
| 15:38 | cait | Joubu: 1 month? :) |
| 15:38 | kivilahtio: the plan is not to kill Zebra for now - ES will be an option first | |
| 15:38 | Joubu | cait: yes, good idea, could be good to group people |
| 15:38 | kivilahtio | Zebra is seriously limiting our ability to make good searches |
| 15:38 | And w ehave been postponing those search issues by saying we are going to change the search engine | |
| 15:38 | cait | it's not really zebra often - more the code behind it |
| 15:38 | Joubu | or we can imagine different groups working on the same stuffs, rest api for instance, and compare the results at the end of the day |
| 15:39 | kivilahtio | ElasticSearch is super easy to use |
| 15:39 | cait | Joubu: there has been discussion about a second meeting room at the uni - is ther a plan on how to divide people between both locations? |
| 15:39 | Joubu | not yet |
| 15:39 | but I don't want to split dev :) | |
| 15:40 | cait | could be harder to communicate yes |
| 15:40 | Joubu | but it won't be a good idea to put dev somewhere and lib somewhere else... |
| 15:40 | cait | yeah it's not easy |
| 15:41 | Joubu | Could all of you add your name in front of the subjects you are interesting in? |
| 15:42 | cait: don't put your name everywhere! | |
| 15:42 | ;) | |
| 15:42 | cait | oooh :( |
| 15:42 | :) | |
| 15:43 | Joubu | And what about the lightning talks/presentations? |
| 15:44 | At the moment there are only 2 entries, does someone want to present something else? | |
| 15:44 | cait | Joubu: which ones are lighztning talks? |
| 15:44 | OPL? | |
| 15:44 | wahanui1 | rumour has it OPL is Oslo Public Library a.k.a. "Deichman" - see http://www.deichman.no/ for their website and http://digital.deichman.no/ for their tech blog |
| 15:44 | Joubu | bag: for instance, could be great to present ES, don't you think? |
| 15:45 | cait | a quick presentation of ES and the state of the cataloger's interface woudl be good |
| 15:45 | bag | I hope so Joubu yes |
| 15:46 | Joubu | bag: and maybe the 4 devs (ES, cat interface, account rewrite and angular circ)? |
| 15:47 | ok thanks to be there :) | |
| 15:47 | see you in Marseille! | |
| 15:47 | cait | :) |
| 15:47 | Joubu | And don't forget to fill the gdoc! |
| 15:47 | cait | Joubu: you said i can't put my name everywhere! |
| 15:47 | :) | |
| 15:48 | stepping out for a bit, bbl | |
| 15:49 | Joubu | @wunder Marseille, France |
| 15:49 | huginn | Joubu: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 12.1°C (4:48 PM CET on February 11, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
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| 16:02 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:21 | tst_ | i wish to get publisher name as a authority field |
| 16:22 | what settings i need to make so that if i have typed name of A publisher if it comes i should be able to pick up earlier entry | |
| 16:22 | similar to author authority | |
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| 17:10 | pastebot | "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted ""Stage MARC for import" is not saving to the import_batches table, no errors" (198 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/420 |
| 17:10 | magnuse | ^ this is driving me crazy |
| 17:10 | feels like i have stared myself blind on it too | |
| 17:10 | if anyone has any suggestions i'm all ears! :-) | |
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| 17:13 | thd | magnuse: Try the more reliable command line utility outside web browser functionality. |
| 17:14 | magnuse | thd: not sure what you mean? |
| 17:14 | thd | s/web browser/web user interface/ |
| 17:15 | magnuse | i have done "sudo koha-mysql instance" and executed the query there |
| 17:15 | which command line utility? | |
| 17:15 | thd | magnuse: I do not remember the appropriate syntax but you can use zebra directly on the command line. |
| 17:16 | utility was a poor choice of words on my part | |
| 17:17 | magnuse: You may still have the problem that zebra has some black box like behaviour. | |
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| 17:18 | magnuse | not sure how zebra comes into play here? |
| 17:18 | thd | magnuse: Are you not indexing with zebra? |
| 17:20 | magnuse | thd: sure, but the records never get as far as indexing |
| 17:20 | thd | magnuse: My suggestion would merely test the backend and not provide access in Koha and should not be tried on a production system. |
| 17:21 | tcohen | marcelr++ |
| 17:22 | magnuse, thd: whatsup | |
| 17:23 | thd | magnuse: Maybe we need to add some verbosity parameters to the perl staging script for use when debugging is needed |
| 17:24 | magnuse | tcohen: some more info on a problem with staging records that i was talking about yesterday: http://paste.koha-community.org/420 |
| 17:24 | thd: yeah, more verbosity would be good. but to me it looks like mysql is not saving the data, yet still reporting the query as a success | |
| 17:25 | thd | magnue: I once extended the verbosity and much else in bulkmarcimport.pl . |
| 17:26 | magnuse: Have you tried the same set of records with bulkmarcimport.pl? | |
| 17:28 | magnuse: The extra verbosity parameters which I had written for bulkmarcimport.pl were lost in migrating from CVS. However, you should try different means of importing the data to help isolate the problem. | |
| 17:31 | magnuse: In other news, some direction from ashimema has given me a clue about how to have Semantic Media Wiki working in the Koha wiki in due course.. | |
| 17:31 | mtompset | Okay, stupid question. I forgot to set the user and email correctly when I made a patch. How do I change it? |
| 17:32 | magnuse | mtompset: git commit --amend --author "Magnus Enger <magnus@...>" |
| 17:32 | just replace the relevant bits... :-) | |
| 17:33 | that will change the last commit | |
| 17:33 | you can also set the information correctly and do something like git commit --amend --author | |
| 17:33 | (not quite sure of the last one) | |
| 17:34 | mtompset | magnuse++ # thank you. |
| 17:34 | thd | magnuse: We had discussed the problem of getting Semantic Media Wiki to work on the Koha wiki in 2010 and we had segmentation fault errors on tests at that time which may have been partly a consequence of using Postgres instead of MySQL for MediaWiki. |
| 17:34 | magnuse | thd: but my records are ok, and bulkmarcimport.pl will just push them into the places where they belong. it is the "Stage MARC for import" tool that is causing me a headache |
| 17:35 | thd | magnuse: Then you know what I was prompting you to test. |
| 17:36 | magnuse: I have never used the staging script for any of my work and I have long considered to be prone to design bugs. | |
| 17:38 | magnuse: The staging code may need some careful rethinking. I would advocate trying to create a workflow which bypasses it which would require writing some additional code for some use cases. | |
| 17:40 | magnuse: I know that does not solve your problem but I merely report how I avoided your problem where I was not actually running a library and knew that some parts of the Koha code were especially problematic. | |
| 17:40 | magnuse | thanks for trying thd :-) |
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| 17:54 | thd | magnuse: One longstanding problem with importing MARC records from staging is that the MARC framework would act as a filter on those records. You could have fields and subfields stripped out of your records if your frameworks are insufficiently complete relative to the fields and subfields in your records. Using bulkmarcimport.pl has at least historically bypassed the MARC frameworks. |
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| 17:57 | magnuse | thd: that may be, but i have a customer who has been using staging successfully and who would like to continue using it |
| 18:00 | oh well, i gotta run - have fun #koha! | |
| 18:01 | thd | thd: Again, I am only giving a caution for something which mostly works for most people but could work better for everyone. |
| 18:01 | magnuse: Sorry, I could not be more helpful magnuse. | |
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| 18:39 | tcohen | back? |
| 18:39 | wahanui1 | and forth. |
| 18:39 | tcohen | thanks wahanui |
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| 19:03 | mtompset | front? |
| 19:07 | tcohen | back? |
| 19:07 | wahanui1 | and forth. |
| 19:10 | thd | tcohen: Do we not have a meeting now? |
| 19:11 | BobB | hi folks, is this meant to be a meeting time? |
| 19:11 | snap | |
| 19:11 | hi thd | |
| 19:11 | thd | BobB: Hello. It is the time recorded in the previous minutes. |
| 19:11 | BobB | indeed |
| 19:12 | and I have risen early for it :) | |
| 19:12 | but I am happy to return to bed if it does not proceed | |
| 19:13 | tcohen | ok |
| 19:13 | was it part 2 of last weeks dev meeting? | |
| 19:13 | or is it the pre-marseille meeting? | |
| 19:13 | * tcohen | is puzzled |
| 19:13 | BobB | no tcohen, the general meeting |
| 19:14 | thd | tcohen: No the general meeting. |
| 19:14 | tcohen | oh my |
| 19:14 | thd | Who is here for the general meeting? |
| 19:14 | BobB | Next meeting is scheduled for 11th February, 19 UTC (cait, |
| 19:14 | 10:45:08) | |
| 19:14 | bag | oh is it meeting time soon? |
| 19:14 | mtompset | a littke over an hour or so. |
| 19:14 | thd | bag: Yes, now. |
| 19:14 | BobB | 14 minutes ago, bag |
| 19:15 | bag | oh HI |
| 19:15 | mtompset | Oops... miscalculated. :) |
| 19:15 | tcohen | ok, do we have an agenda? |
| 19:15 | thd | I guess there was no reminder sent to the mailing list. |
| 19:15 | tcohen: We could quickly create an agenda from the previous meeting. | |
| 19:16 | tcohen | alright |
| 19:16 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_14_January_2015 | |
| 19:18 | * tcohen | can't chair, taking care of Manuel right now |
| 19:18 | tcohen | but i'm here |
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| 19:22 | thd | BobB: Would you like to chair the meeting? |
| 19:22 | BobB | I could, but I am not greatly awake :) |
| 19:23 | anyway, here goes ... | |
| 19:23 | #start meeting | |
| 19:23 | tcohen | thd did u duplicate the agenda from last? |
| 19:23 | BobB | #startmeeting |
| 19:23 | wahanui1 | if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
| 19:23 | huginn | BobB: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' |
| 19:23 | wahanui1 | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 19:23 | BobB | good start |
| 19:23 | thd | tchohen: I will create the agenda page now if it is not there. |
| 19:24 | tcohen | General IRC meeting 11 February 2015 |
| 19:24 | BobB | #startmeeting General IRC Meeting 11 Feb 2015 |
| 19:24 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Feb 11 19:24:15 2015 UTC. The chair is BobB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 19:24 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 19:24 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting 11 Feb 2015) | |
| 19:24 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_11_feb_2015' |
| 19:24 | BobB | The agenda is here: |
| 19:24 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_14_January_2015 | |
| 19:24 | tcohen | - topic introductions |
| 19:25 | BobB | #topic introductions |
| 19:25 | wahanui1 | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 19:25 | Topic for #koha is now introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting 11 Feb 2015) | |
| 19:25 | BobB | #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, Australia |
| 19:25 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba |
| 19:25 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York |
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| 19:26 | tcohen | cait? |
| 19:26 | wahanui1 | cait is just silly on a train again |
| 19:26 | jwagner | #info Jane Wagner, PTFS |
| 19:26 | BobB | bag about? |
| 19:26 | bag | hi |
| 19:26 | BobB | mtompset about? |
| 19:26 | bag | #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater |
| 19:26 | mtompset | Not really? |
| 19:27 | #info Mark Tompsett | |
| 19:27 | talljoy | #info Joy Nelson BWS |
| 19:27 | BobB | I'm trying to stump up a quorum here :) |
| 19:27 | bag | heh - how many do you need? |
| 19:28 | tcohen | we are enough |
| 19:28 | BobB | ok, is that all? |
| 19:28 | tcohen | w eare not making any votes or something |
| 19:28 | BobB | #topic announcements |
| 19:28 | Topic for #koha is now announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting 11 Feb 2015) | |
| 19:28 | BobB | Any announcements? |
| 19:29 | tcohen | there's been a pre-Marseille meeting today |
| 19:29 | BobB | #topic update on releases |
| 19:29 | Topic for #koha is now update on releases (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting 11 Feb 2015) | |
| 19:29 | tcohen | we spoke about possible stuff |
| 19:29 | to work on during the hackfest | |
| 19:30 | #info tcohen is almost back to his RM daily tasks | |
| 19:30 | barton | #info Barton Chittenden, BWS, Louisville, KY |
| 19:30 | tcohen | so far we have pushed the UTF-8 patches and a lot of the VAT/GST rewrite |
| 19:30 | bag | yes - sounds like it’s going to be an awesome hackfest - good stuff going on |
| 19:30 | * mtompset | cheers. :) |
| 19:31 | tcohen | there have been reported several issues on 3.18 |
| 19:31 | performance (Jonathan did a good job finding DBIx is to blame, somehow) | |
| 19:31 | zebra facets | |
| 19:31 | wahanui1 | zebra facets are all done with Koha perl code anyway, not zebra itself. |
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| 19:32 | tcohen | we are working on both |
| 19:32 | BobB | hi cait, please join the meeting |
| 19:32 | tcohen | the DBIx issue has several implications |
| 19:32 | cait | oh |
| 19:32 | missed a meeting? | |
| 19:32 | #info Katrin Fischer, Germany | |
| 19:33 | tcohen | if we get full out-of-the-box Plack support |
| 19:33 | we could take advantage of several DBIx::Class options | |
| 19:33 | so we are very excited to work on that during the hackfest | |
| 19:34 | BobB | tcohen, do you expect the 3.18 performance problem to be resolved for the next maintenance release? |
| 19:34 | tcohen | #info tcohen is happy to know there hasn't been many reports on UTF-8 problems on master since the big push |
| 19:35 | BobB: yes | |
| 19:35 | BobB | cool |
| 19:35 | tcohen | JOnathan has a proof-of-concept fix, and I'm waiting for Galen as he was about to propose another idea |
| 19:35 | thd | I posted a meeting page just now at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_11_February_2015 . |
| 19:35 | tcohen | not strictly about performance (at all) but one that has its implications |
| 19:36 | BobB | #info a performance problem in 3.18 caused by DBixis likely to be resolved for the next maintenance release |
| 19:36 | are any other RMs here? | |
| 19:37 | or is there anything else on 3.18 tcohen? | |
| 19:37 | tcohen | nope |
| 19:37 | BobB | changing topic then |
| 19:38 | #topic KohaCon15 | |
| 19:38 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon15 (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting 11 Feb 2015) | |
| 19:38 | BobB | olug is not here, I think |
| 19:38 | does anyone else have any update? | |
| 19:39 | thd | I have an update on the wiki. |
| 19:40 | Maybe wiki maintenance goes in old business by the agenda. | |
| 19:40 | BobB | sorry thd I meant on KohaCon |
| 19:40 | I'll change topic again | |
| 19:41 | thd | Sorry for missing the context :) |
| 19:41 | BobB | #topic Actions from General IRC Meetings Dec/Jan |
| 19:41 | Topic for #koha is now Actions from General IRC Meetings Dec/Jan (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting 11 Feb 2015) | |
| 19:42 | BobB | #info the Roadmap for Koha page has been created on the wiki |
| 19:42 | #info there is not a lot on it yet - further contributions are encouraged | |
| 19:45 | I think the HEA info was posted? Not sure if it was back-ported to 3.16 though? | |
| 19:45 | drojf | oops a eeting |
| 19:45 | meeting even | |
| 19:46 | #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany | |
| 19:46 | BobB | #info Previous discussions about roles of Wiki Maintainer and Communications Manager/Coordinator need to be continued at some point |
| 19:46 | maybe not now? | |
| 19:47 | thd | I have a helpful comment to make about the issues raised by ashimema. |
| 19:47 | BobB | go ahead thd |
| 19:47 | thd | I agree for the maybe not now for voting, etc. |
| 19:48 | Last month I had a telephone conversation with ahimema about the issues which he raised. | |
| 19:49 | I have added some comment to the discussion page for my proposal following that conversation. | |
| 19:49 | tcohen | which issues specifically? |
| 19:49 | thd | I will modify my proposal accordingly. |
| 19:50 | BobB | thd could you post the link to that again, after you've updated it? |
| 19:50 | thd | The big issue is that when we started using MediaWiki without a proper testing period in consequence of PTFS taking down the former wiki we used Postgres. |
| 19:50 | BobB: Yes of course. | |
| 19:51 | ashimema informed me that some aspects of Semantic MediaWiki or the set of related extensions have been known to not work properly in Postgres. | |
| 19:52 | That maybe why command line tests failed in 2010. | |
| 19:52 | Migrating to MySQL may be possible but tricky. | |
| 19:53 | BobB | that's a big problem, then |
| 19:53 | thd | We may need to postpone upgrading MediaWiki until after migrating to MySQL to make best use of the one set of migration scripts which exists. |
| 19:54 | However, we may find that migrating works better after upgrading MediaWiki. | |
| 19:54 | In any case, careful testing needs to be done with a copy of the Koha instance of MediaWiki first. | |
| 19:55 | We do not want to go the wrong way and find that we cannot migrate well to MySQL. | |
| 19:55 | BobB | yes indeed |
| 19:55 | thd a mediawiki upgrade is not essential however to the curation task on the wiki? | |
| 19:56 | thd | ashimema and I agreed that the first step should be a more general cleanup. |
| 19:56 | BobB | stuff can be moved around now? |
| 19:56 | oh, we're agreeing I think | |
| 19:56 | thd | BobB: Yes, exactly. |
| 19:56 | Also, testing migration will require more time. | |
| 19:56 | BobB | ok |
| 19:57 | thd | I expect my time to increase from around now as previously reported. |
| 19:57 | I am just coming off what had become a large project wrangling years of bad user data. | |
| 19:58 | BobB | #action thd to update discussion of wiki curation/upgrade and post the link |
| 19:58 | thd | Sadly, my project was not library related so I could not leverage all my advantages. |
| 19:59 | BobB | ok, hope that's meaningful |
| 20:00 | well then, we might list both those roles for resolution at the next meeting? | |
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| 20:00 | BobB | I'll change topic? |
| 20:01 | tcohen_ | networking issues... |
| 20:01 | BobB | #topic Time and Date of Next Meeting |
| 20:01 | Topic for #koha is now Time and Date of Next Meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting 11 Feb 2015) | |
| 20:02 | BobB | Should the next meeting be on 11 March? |
| 20:02 | or is that during hackfest? | |
| 20:03 | thd | Does anyone have a link for hackfest dates? |
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| 20:04 | thd | The Hackfest is 2 to 6 March. |
| 20:04 | BobB | hackfest is 2 to 6 |
| 20:04 | So our meeting can be on 11 March | |
| 20:04 | what time now? | |
| 20:05 | thd | What was the previous meeting time, 10 UTC? |
| 20:06 | I think that we would have had a better turnout at this hour if there had been a reminder to the mailing list. | |
| 20:07 | BobB | 10 UTC is a good time, but is very early on east coast USA |
| 20:07 | thd | I think 10 UTC also works OK even if it maybe too late for bag and too early for nengard. |
| 20:08 | 2 UTC or similar times have historically had terrible turnout even if not terrible for the whole US. | |
| 20:08 | BobB | I think if we revert between 10UTC and 19UTC it mostly works |
| 20:08 | thd | Yes. |
| 20:08 | BobB | so 10 UTC next time? |
| 20:08 | thd | +1 |
| 20:09 | BobB | #info the next meeting will be on Wednesday 11 March 2015 at 10.00 UTC |
| 20:09 | if we all agree | |
| 20:09 | thanks thd, the silence of others is taken as consent :) | |
| 20:09 | talljoy | +1 |
| 20:10 | thd | BobB: You seem more awake than most others who are not having networking problems :) |
| 20:10 | BobB | thx talljoy |
| 20:10 | :) | |
| 20:10 | i think we are all done? | |
| 20:11 | #endmeeting | |
| 20:11 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.18.3 is released! Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org | Code of conduct - http://koha-community.org/abou[…]/code-of-conduct/ | The next Koha General IRC meeting is 11 February 2015 at 19 UTC | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 20:11 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Feb 11 20:11:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 20:11 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-02-11-19.24.html | |
| 20:11 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]5-02-11-19.24.txt | |
| 20:11 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]11-19.24.log.html | |
| 20:11 | talljoy | time for a beer! |
| 20:11 | BobB | thanks everyone |
| 20:11 | talljoy | thanks BobB |
| 20:11 | BobB | time for breakfast! |
| 20:11 | thd | Yes, and I will try to see that a reminder of the meeting time goes to the mailing list next time. |
| 20:11 | BobB | thanks Thomas |
| 20:12 | good morning/day/evening everyone | |
| 20:12 | thd | Good morning BobB. Thanks for rising early. |
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| 20:36 | tcohen_ | BobB++ |
| 20:49 | rangi | morning |
| 20:49 | cait | morning rangi |
| 20:54 | rangi | what tool would people use in linux to do something like a gantt chart (i have to do a project timeline) ? |
| 20:55 | cait | thers ie openproj |
| 20:55 | akafred | Google Sheets? https://drive.google.com/previ[…]d2N3c&mode=public |
| 20:55 | cait | sorry, project libre |
| 20:56 | but it's not very pretty and i was struggling a bit when i tried | |
| 20:58 | rangi | hmm |
| 21:00 | akafred: can't really use google sheets, data shouldnt leave nz jurisdiction | |
| 21:00 | cait: ill give project libre a go | |
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| 21:05 | drojf | rangi: something in latex? *hides* |
| 21:05 | rangi | heh |
| 21:06 | hmm ganttproject looks small and simple, i might try that too | |
| 21:06 | drojf | ha. http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/ctan/gr[…]antt/pgfgantt.pdf ;) |
| 21:07 | cait | rangi: cool, i might too :) |
| 21:13 | eythian | hi |
| 21:13 | cait | hi eythian |
| 21:14 | eythian | LaTeX gantt charts will surely look the best. |
| 21:14 | rangi | you volunteering eythian ? :) |
| 21:15 | eythian | sure, if you wanna finish off this SAML and ES stuff for me, sounds like a fair trade :D |
| 21:16 | also, 'planner' is now what was 'Mr. Project' | |
| 21:38 | jcamins | rangi: Redmine has gantt charts, I think. |
| 21:39 | rangi | oh right thanks jcamins |
| 21:41 | jcamins | You could even set up Redmine using my Ansible playbook. |
| 21:41 | rangi | i think we run a redmine instance here |
| 21:41 | eythian | we do |
| 21:41 | jcamins | Heh. Or that. |
| 21:42 | eythian | but I think it requires making tickets for all the entries |
| 21:42 | rangi | for this use case, i just need a quick graphic to illustrate how tasks can work in parallel |
| 21:42 | eythian | (not that I've used it, but that's sorta how redmine works) |
| 21:42 | rangi | i think ganttproject is going to work, it hasnt annoyed me too much yet |
| 21:43 | cait | rangi: thx for finding that |
| 21:43 | :) | |
| 21:43 | eythian | not as pretty as pgfgantt I bet though |
| 21:43 | cait | eythian: i tihnk you are right - we are using redmine, but i fialed using the gantt becuase we don't do start/end dates and some other things enough |
| 21:44 | eythian | yeah, it probably needs more planning of schedules and such than I usually have to put into something like that |
| 21:49 | barton | Hi #koha |
| 21:49 | rangi | hi barton |
| 21:50 | cait | hi barton |
| 21:53 | barton | I'm having an interesting time with search, when QueryAutoTruncate is set to 'Only if * is added' For example, "governme" and "governme*" return the same results. QueryFuzzy is set to 'Don't Try'. UseICU is set to 'Using'. |
| 21:55 | I didn't see any bugs in bugzilla that exactly matched, but I figured that I'd ask here, in case it's an edge case of an open bug or something. | |
| 21:55 | eythian | barton: you have stemming on? |
| 21:55 | barton | yes, query stemming is on. |
| 21:55 | eythian | then it often behaves something like autotruncation |
| 21:57 | barton | yeah, I was wondering about that... but that should only account for common word endings like 'ing' or 'ed', right? |
| 21:58 | eythian | you'd think that, wouldn't you? :) |
| 21:58 | barton | well, I'll give that a shot. |
| 21:58 | does changing that require a reindex? | |
| 21:58 | cait | barton: it does multiple languages |
| 21:58 | eythian | I think if the stemming function can't do anything with it, it just returns it as-is and koha slaps a ? on the end (same as a *) |
| 21:59 | not at all | |
| 21:59 | cait | i think |
| 21:59 | eythian | cait: it can, yes |
| 21:59 | it's based on your current session language I think | |
| 21:59 | cait | how does the stemming owrk? does it just construct the 'base' word or really do a search for the wrod in various forms? |
| 22:00 | if it does the first with a truncated search that would explain | |
| 22:00 | eythian | which has interesting repercussions if you're searching for something in english with your OPAC set to german. |
| 22:00 | cait: it constructs the base | |
| 22:01 | and then we take that and glom a ? to the end | |
| 22:01 | barton | Ausgezeichnet. |
| 22:01 | * eythian | had exactly this issue a couple of days ago, so it's fresh in my head |
| 22:02 | eythian | https://metacpan.org/pod/Lingua::Stem::Snowball <-- interestingly it won't generate 'hoof' from 'hooves' |
| 22:03 | barton | So in my case, it's taking 'Governme' shortening this to the base 'Govern' and then tacking the wildcard to the end? |
| 22:03 | eythian | it might be |
| 22:03 | or just tacking ? to the end of governme | |
| 22:04 | * eythian | points out this is testable |
| 22:06 | eythian | $ perl -MLingua::Stem::Snowball -e '@w=qw(governme) ; print join "", Lingua::Stem::Snowball::stem("en", \@w) ; print "\n";' |
| 22:06 | governm | |
| 22:06 | > Since it effectively provides a ‘suffix STRIPPER GRAMmar’, I had toyed with the idea of calling it ‘strippergram’, but good sense has prevailed, and so it is ‘Snowball’ named as a tribute to SNOBOL, the excellent string handling language of Messrs Farber, Griswold, Poage and Polonsky from the 1960s. | |
| 22:08 | barton | well, turned query stemming off, now 'governme' returns no results... which is probably correct. |
| 22:09 | eythian | arguably |
| 22:09 | barton | ... given the data being searched. |
| 22:09 | eythian | I guess it depends if you want to provide more varied but hopefully useful results, or more correct results :) |
| 22:09 | magnuse | if anyone gets really bored during the next few hours you might want to read my tale of woe related to staging marc records for import, and see if you can come up with any fresh suggestions: http://paste.koha-community.org/420 ;-) |
| 22:09 | eythian | but just on the face of "search works", then yeah, it's correct :) |
| 22:10 | magnuse | i just tried dropping all the import_* tables and recreating them from kohastructure.sql, without any luck |
| 22:10 | have fun, #koha! | |
| 22:10 | eythian | magnuse: for some strange values of fun :) |
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| 22:36 | dcook | Oh my... |
| 22:37 | * dcook | reads the scrollback about Snowball |
| 22:37 | dcook | barton: Are you still around? |
| 22:38 | barton | yes. |
| 22:38 | dcook | Did you ever resolve your problems with "bibliographic-reference"? |
| 22:39 | barton | No, I haven't had a chance to dig back into it... I've been playing catch up with all of my other work after spent 8+ hours on it. |
| 22:39 | dcook | Ah, fair enough |
| 22:39 | Why was it changed from "Reference" in the first place? | |
| 22:40 | barton | oh, I'm not quite sure... probably bloody ignorance on my part, a few months back ;-) |
| 22:43 | that does make me wonder though ... I don't think that I replaced it... I added bibliographic-reference, but I don't think that I removed Reference ... can two zebra indexes point to one bib1 attribute? | |
| 22:43 | dcook | I don't think so |
| 22:43 | Maybe try removing Reference | |
| 22:45 | barton | ok... can't I set up somethign along the order of aliases in ccl.properties? |
| 22:45 | dcook | Yeah, that would be fine |
| 22:45 | But then it's an alias, not an index | |
| 22:46 | Which is good :D | |
| 22:49 | barton | ah... so uh, let me get this straight in my head ... the index is set in *indexdefs* -- there is a one to one mapping between indexes and bib1 attributes. ccl.properties then allows aliases on the indexes, allowing search by alias. Is that a sane assesment? |
| 22:49 | dcook | Almost |
| 22:50 | The bib1 attribute and index are set in bib1.att | |
| 22:50 | *indexdefs* indexes content from a marcxml record into an index | |
| 22:51 | ccl.properties provides acccess to the index using either the bib1 attribute for the index, the index name (from bib1.att), or an alias (which points to either the bib1 attribute or the index name (from bib1.att)) | |
| 22:51 | (and yeah, I think there's a one-to-one mapping between index names and bib1 attributes in bib1.att) | |
| 22:52 | Ah wait, I think that's what you were saying | |
| 22:52 | I just didn't see "bib1.att", so I re-worded it all :p | |
| 22:53 | barton | Well, I think that you added a distinction about the inner workings of ccl.properties that I left out. But yeah, I think we're on the same page. |
| 22:54 | Who knows, I may get this licked yet ;-) | |
| 22:57 | cait | night all |
| 22:57 | wahanui1 | goodnight cait. You'll be back. |
| 22:58 | dcook | barton: Huzzah! |
| 22:58 | night cait :) | |
| 22:58 | When I first started with Koha, I used to be really apprehensive about Zebra | |
| 22:59 | Actually, maybe even the first year... year and a half | |
| 22:59 | Then I did a lot of reading, asked a lot of questions, and did a lot of experiments :) | |
| 22:59 | cait | dcook: the problem is, that the translation bit is fixed - but we still keep all the overhead in the installer files |
| 23:00 | dcook | cait: But why? :S |
| 23:00 | Why would it be affected by the installer? | |
| 23:00 | cait | because copying theinstaller files is manual work |
| 23:00 | dcook | But why would it involve the installer? |
| 23:00 | cait | it just doesn't improve the situation |
| 23:00 | it does not make it worse | |
| 23:00 | dcook | I was thinking about this a bit, because I liked what you were saying |
| 23:00 | But the file would just sit in the template toolkit includes | |
| 23:00 | cait | it makes things a little better :) |
| 23:01 | dcook | I'm just confused :( |
| 23:01 | cait | your patch is alright :) |
| 23:01 | it's just a chance we could make thing smuch better | |
| 23:01 | dcook | Thanks :) |
| 23:01 | cait | :) |
| 23:01 | dcook | I just really want to understand what you're saying |
| 23:01 | cait | the reason we have mulitple sql files with permissions to maintain is translations |
| 23:01 | dcook | Right |
| 23:01 | cait | so now you fixed translations... it would be cool to get rid of them |
| 23:02 | dcook | Oh absolutely |
| 23:02 | cait | but your patch will work and will help people who have no customized installer files |
| 23:02 | dcook | Well, it'll ignore the customized installer files |
| 23:02 | If permissions.inc hasn't been translated, they'll just get the English version, no? | |
| 23:02 | cait | yes :) |
| 23:02 | the inc is alright | |
| 23:03 | i just wanted to fix the installer and get rid of the multiple permission files in the same step | |
| 23:03 | dcook | The plan is to remove the multiple sql files, the installer step, and... a few other references to the database |
| 23:03 | Ahhhh | |
| 23:03 | Ok | |
| 23:03 | Yeah, that makes total sense | |
| 23:03 | cait | your patch opens the door to that :) |
| 23:03 | dcook | :) |
| 23:03 | Yeah, I was thinking of getting my patch in and then doing the next step | |
| 23:03 | But it could all be done on one, or as a patch set | |
| 23:04 | cait | but now i need to talk someone into doing it :P |
| 23:04 | we can have this first | |
| 23:04 | dcook | Haha. Well, I'll do it, but just not today |
| 23:04 | cait | deal :) |
| 23:04 | dcook | :) |
| 23:04 | Today is... setting up a few physical machines with Debian and Koha :) | |
| 23:04 | cait | probably better on a new bug |
| 23:04 | dcook | And maybe some Amazon stuff |
| 23:04 | cait | as paola has tested it already |
| 23:04 | dcook | Yeah, so maybe I'll just do Bernardo's fix |
| 23:05 | Still probably not today though :p | |
| 23:05 | Well... maybe I have time exactly right now.. | |
| 23:05 | cait | ah yeah, we should make sure it actually trnaslates - which bernardo's fix should do |
| 23:05 | ok, have to really sleep now | |
| 23:05 | : | |
| 23:05 | dcook | cait: Actually, it might not be a bad idea to do it in one bug... |
| 23:05 | cait | :) |
| 23:06 | dcook | Because if people add new permissions to the .inc but not the english sql, it can cause subpermission auth problems.. |
| 23:06 | Anyway, night :) | |
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| 23:09 | dcook | https://github.com/t-d-k/doxbox |
| 23:09 | "There has been a report that Kaspersky anti-virus falsely reports DoxBox as having the 'generic.Trojan' virus, please disable or replace this before installing." | |
| 23:09 | Hmm... | |
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