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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:00 | wizzyrea | I did! |
| 00:00 | eythian | oh |
| 00:00 | well that was a good idea then | |
| 00:00 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 00:07 | <insert the usual internal drama about naming things that are too long for mysql> | |
| 00:08 | eythian | oh |
| 00:08 | I think we should patch that so it's not a problem | |
| 00:10 | ah, it's documented but not enforced. | |
| 00:10 | > Note: the instance name cannot be longer that 11 chars. | |
| 00:21 | cait left #koha | |
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| 00:28 | wizzyrea | oh, I didn't actually *do* it |
| 00:28 | because I recalled that :) | |
| 00:39 | * jcamins | can't decide what to bake. :( |
| 00:39 | jcamins | Ooh! |
| 00:40 | Szechuan pepper! | |
| 00:40 | wahanui | szechuan pepper is righteously spicy - but I think not as spicy as the thing I had last night. Jeez. |
| 00:40 | eythian | wahanui: you're a bot, you don't have reactions to spicy things. |
| 00:40 | wahanui | eythian: huh? |
| 00:40 | jcamins | lol |
| 00:41 | The only problem is that Shari wanted cookies, so then I'd have to make two varieties. | |
| 00:41 | ... did I say "problem"? | |
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| 00:43 | eythian | all I heard was "solution" |
| 00:43 | jcamins | eythian: ah, good. |
| 00:43 | I thought I might have misspelled it. | |
| 00:43 | Whoops. | |
| 01:29 | The pepper is steeping. | |
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| 02:12 | eythian | http://www.theonion.com/video/[…]ations-idi,18705/ <-- exhibit A |
| 02:12 | http://www.buzzfeed.com/adrian[…]-in-the-air-to-wa#.np0y4JRKGO <-- exhibit B | |
| 02:14 | * dcook | facepalm |
| 02:14 | wahanui | hmmm... facepalm is a tiny member of the Arecaceae family whose preference for warm, humid environments makes it a perfect choice for cultivation in the human nasal cavity. |
| 02:15 | dcook | Apparently this is how it's done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFj_i6HtebM |
| 02:15 | I think the problem is that they just weren't Canadian :p | |
| 02:16 | That's actually in front of the SaskPower building in Regina... not really sure why they would do it there... | |
| 02:17 | Interestingly, it's actually been really warm in Canada this year... | |
| 02:17 | Rivers are melting and it's raining | |
| 02:18 | eythian: Neato burrito (https://metacpan.org/pod/Elast[…]h::SearchBuilder) | |
| 02:19 | eythian | yeah, thought that might be of interest |
| 02:19 | dcook | Certainly interesting! |
| 02:21 | wizzyrea | well you don't throw the water *into* the wind, for one. |
| 02:22 | also throwing it over your head, probably not the smartest ever. | |
| 02:22 | nope you're right, that's just an accident waiting to happen. | |
| 02:22 | eythian | isn't it just hot water making a lot of steam as it evaporates? |
| 02:23 | wizzyrea | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]ase_transition%29 |
| 02:23 | I think it's that | |
| 02:24 | so, boiling water -> steam -> snow | |
| 02:24 | eythian | ah OK, that makes sense |
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| 02:51 | jcamins | They were doing that last year. It was really annoying. |
| 02:53 | wizzyrea | you could probably achieve the same effect by just taking your kettle outside and letting it boil. |
| 02:54 | *electric kettle. | |
| 02:55 | jcamins | wizzyrea: people in New York don't have generators. |
| 02:56 | Or outdoor outlets. | |
| 02:56 | wizzyrea | they probably do have extension cords though? |
| 02:56 | is the power out?! | |
| 02:56 | how are you on the internet ?! | |
| 02:57 | dcook | :S |
| 02:57 | eythian | there's no answer, I think he's just realised the power is gone |
| 02:57 | like a cartoon character who doesn't fall off a cliff until he looks down. | |
| 02:58 | wizzyrea | eythian++ for funniness |
| 02:59 | jcamins | wizzyrea: of course the power isn't out. |
| 02:59 | There's not really much snow. | |
| 02:59 | dcook | Is NY experiencing a rather warm winter as well? |
| 03:00 | wizzyrea | yeah you're a bit south of the main storm? |
| 03:00 | jcamins | And actually, New Yorkers don't generally have extension cords. |
| 03:00 | dcook: not really. | |
| 03:00 | wizzyrea | why not? |
| 03:00 | houses are too small? | |
| 03:00 | dcook | wizzyrea: I find small houses need even more extension cords. |
| 03:00 | wizzyrea | houses/apartments |
| 03:00 | me too, they have fewer outlets. | |
| 03:00 | * dcook | loves how Australian builders assume that no one ever needs to plug anything in... |
| 03:00 | jcamins | Houses are generally unavailable. |
| 03:00 | eythian | yeah, I have a small house, and have cords all over the place. |
| 03:01 | dcook: same here :/ | |
| 03:01 | jcamins | And apartments don't have direct exits to the outdoors most of the time. :( |
| 03:01 | dcook | eythian: Australians must've built your houses... I'm sorry. |
| 03:01 | wizzyrea | I agree with noticing trend of oceanic small houses with few outlets |
| 03:02 | dcook | jcamins: What about the NYC fire escape that we all expect every apartment to have? |
| 03:02 | iconic NYC fire escape* | |
| 03:02 | wizzyrea | well that sucks. |
| 03:02 | dcook | Are you telling me that TV has lied to me all this time? |
| 03:02 | wizzyrea | omg, tv lies? |
| 03:03 | eythian | shush don't say that be quiet |
| 03:03 | wizzyrea | if it's on TV it has to be true. |
| 03:03 | dcook | wizzyrea: That's what I figure |
| 03:03 | jcamins | lol |
| 03:03 | dcook | I have yet to see a talking kangaroo, but I'm sure they're around |
| 03:03 | Or maybe they're all overseas... | |
| 03:03 | I can't say I watch enough tv to keep track | |
| 03:04 | eythian | dcook / jcamins: how does zebra know what type a particular authority is, or does it not and just searches the particular field when you select the type? |
| 03:04 | jcamins | There's an index. |
| 03:05 | eythian | and what does "authority type: default" mean? |
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| 03:05 | eythian | oh, so it sticks "TOPIC_TERM" or whatever into a place? |
| 03:09 | jcamins | It means not set. |
| 03:09 | And yes. | |
| 03:10 | eythian | hmm |
| 03:11 | I guess I'll have to figure out how to do that. | |
| 03:14 | oh | |
| 03:14 | it's already in 942$a | |
| 03:14 | well thta makes it easier. | |
| 03:17 | hmm, I already have mappings built, but they're not being applied. | |
| 03:17 | tricksy | |
| 03:18 | I bet I'm never telling it that biblios and authorities are different things when indexing | |
| 03:24 | hrm, no, that's not it | |
| 03:26 | oh. It's totally working, I was just reading the output wrong :/ | |
| 03:28 | wizzyrea | I have the perfect but completely unpolitically correct reaction gif for that. |
| 03:28 | eythian | heh |
| 03:36 | dcook | Hmm? Someone said my name? |
| 03:37 | Ah, looks like all is cool | |
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| 06:50 | paxed | i've deleted all from auth_header - but running link_bibs_to_authorities doesn't remove the links. Even though LinkerKeepStale syspref is "do not keep" |
| 06:56 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:58 | dcook | yo magnuse |
| 06:58 | Sorry, paxed. Don't know. Haven't looked at authorities in ages. | |
| 07:02 | BobB | paxed is CatalogModuleRelink set to 'do not? and LinkerRelink to 'do'? |
| 07:04 | magnuse | yo yo yo dcook |
| 07:04 | * magnuse | knows next to nothing about authorities |
| 07:04 | BobB | hey dcook, you missed out on a knighthood yesterday? |
| 07:17 | paxed | BobB: oh, CatalogModuleRelink should be "do not"? |
| 07:18 | BobB | I'm not sure, but it seems to make sense .... worth a try? |
| 07:18 | paxed | tried it, no effect. |
| 07:19 | BobB | ok, anyway understanding what those prefs do does my head in |
| 07:20 | paxed | i feel like i've tried all the combinations |
| 07:20 | BobB | I've never tried to remove all links .... |
| 07:20 | you may have found a bug? | |
| 07:22 | paxed | link_bibs_to_authorities needs an explicit --delete option |
| 07:25 | BobB | ok, I've learnt something, thank you :) |
| 07:26 | cait | paxed: it might be they are still indexed? |
| 07:26 | did you try to do an authority search? | |
| 07:27 | paxed | cait: wait... so it's not enough to delete them from auth_header, relinking uses zebra for looking them up?! |
| 07:27 | cait | afaik yes |
| 07:28 | hm no ashimema | |
| 07:29 | bbl | |
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| 07:32 | magnuse | reindexing is definitely worth a try |
| 07:36 | "ensure that everything still works like it should and that there are no regressions of any kinds anywhere in the system" lulz!1!! | |
| 07:51 | paxed | blah. MARCdetail.pl apparently doesn't obey the url fragment for showing the tab. |
| 07:52 | (eg. going to /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=12345#Tab1XX doesn't show the 1 tab) | |
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| 07:55 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:55 | wahanui | what's up, reiveune |
| 07:58 | Joubu | hello |
| 07:58 | magnuse | bonjour france |
| 07:58 | @wunder marseille | |
| 07:58 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 7.3°C (8:55 AM CET on January 27, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:58 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 07:58 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (8:50 AM CET on January 27, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Steady). |
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| 08:02 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 08:02 | wahanui | bidet, alex_a |
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| 08:10 | paxed | blah. nope, reindexing didn't help |
| 08:13 | cait | have you checked the authority search really doesn't work now? |
| 08:13 | i remember there once was a problem about resetting to empty - not sure if that's still the case | |
| 08:16 | paxed | auth search works. |
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| 08:16 | cait | hm so the index is still there? |
| 08:16 | paxed | actually. looks like zebra returns the old results. |
| 08:16 | wtf | |
| 08:17 | cait | i am not sure how to force reset it |
| 08:17 | but you could try adding 1 new auth and reindex | |
| 08:17 | that shoudl do it | |
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| 08:35 | cait | morning ashimema |
| 08:35 | ashimema | morning peeps |
| 09:12 | queit in here this morning. | |
| 09:14 | cait | yeah everyone is busy |
| 09:16 | kivilahtio | yeah |
| 09:20 | magnuse | yup |
| 09:21 | nlegrand | Hey. |
| 09:23 | magnuse | howdy! |
| 09:49 | Joubu | yep! |
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| 09:50 | cait | hi Joubu |
| 09:50 | discussing with ashimema the allowonshelfholds/opacitemholds bug | |
| 09:51 | i think you did the force itemholds dev? | |
| 09:52 | bug 5786 | |
| 09:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5786 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Failed QA , Move AllowOnShelfHolds and OpacItemHolds system preferences to the Circulation Matrix |
| 09:52 | cait | looking for opinions on how the 'force item hold' should work in the new constellation with multiple itemtypes |
| 09:54 | magnuse | is there a good description of UsageStats and Hea, aimed at librarians, anywhere? |
| 10:02 | Joubu | magnuse: I tried to complete the wiki page 2 weeks ago: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]KohaUsageStat_RFC |
| 10:03 | magnuse | excellent! sorry i missed that |
| 10:05 | Joubu | cait: will try to have a look asap |
| 10:13 | cait | Joubu: thx, trying to keep it moving |
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| 11:04 | eth0__ | Hi koha |
| 11:05 | About my problem with haproxy / z3950 | |
| 11:05 | DAEMON_OPTS="-l /var/log/zebrasrvUNIMARC.log -u www-data tcp:192.168.178.144:9999" | |
| 11:05 | it was tcp:@6:9999 | |
| 11:06 | (pebcak), so z3950/zebra serve behind and haproxy | |
| 11:07 | like this | |
| 11:07 | listen z3950 :9999 | |
| 11:07 | mode tcp | |
| 11:07 | option tcplog | |
| 11:07 | option clitcpka | |
| 11:07 | server z3950 192.168.178.144:9999 check | |
| 11:07 | jcamins: cait ↑ Thanks :) | |
| 11:12 | cait | eth0__: still no idea sorry |
| 11:18 | eth0__ | cait: it works now ! ;) |
| 11:18 | cait | oh! |
| 11:19 | cool | |
| 11:19 | eth0__ | the problem was tcp:@6:9999 |
| 11:19 | s/tcp:@6:9999/tcp:192.168.1.1:9999 | |
| 11:20 | So for information, zebra can work behind a reverse-proxy/load balancer(haproxy) | |
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| 11:32 | bsa | is it possible to display price when books are searched in koha admin |
| 11:33 | how to enable price field in opac as well as in admin page | |
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| 11:44 | cait | bra: I think it's not possible, the price from the item is only visible inthe marc view |
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| 11:44 | cait | bsa... |
| 11:45 | bsa | ok |
| 11:45 | i wanted to enable it in admin | |
| 11:45 | when records are search along with price, isbn, pages, publisher, year | |
| 11:45 | if i could get price | |
| 11:46 | cait | do you mean in z39.50 search? |
| 11:48 | bsa | no |
| 11:49 | in kohaadmin when books are searched it shows title, author publisher | |
| 11:49 | along with that i wanted price | |
| 11:49 | cait | if you mean the staff search - those displays are made with xslt |
| 11:50 | bsa | yes staff search |
| 11:50 | cait | you could add your own set of xslt in configuration, but it requires a bit of programming / putting files somewhere accessible by the server |
| 11:50 | bsa | oh |
| 11:50 | cait | it's not possible with some quick configuration changes |
| 11:50 | bsa | if only one xslt file needs to be changed i can try |
| 11:51 | but if several files then i wont prefer that | |
| 11:55 | paxed | huh. i gave link_bibs_to_authorities.pl --auth-limit='authid >= XXX' where XXX is the authid of the first existing authority... and _then_ the script removes the bib links to auths that do not exist. |
| 11:55 | without that, it did nothing. | |
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| 12:52 | cait | nice surprise: you can hide the restricted status information in the opac easily with css :) |
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| 12:59 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 13:10 | tcohen | hi oleonard #koha |
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| 13:16 | cait | hi oleonard |
| 13:17 | do yu have a moment for a little jquery? | |
| 13:17 | i am looking for a good way to get the biblionumer on the normal view staff detail page | |
| 13:17 | i want to add a link to another page where i need the number for | |
| 13:18 | the 'add link to display' bit is working, just not sure about where best to get the biblionumber | |
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| 13:19 | magnuse | cait: i have done something similar, let me check |
| 13:20 | i think i took it from <abbr class="unapi-id" title="koha:biblionumber:1911"><!-- unAPI --></abbr> | |
| 13:20 | cait | hmm |
| 13:20 | using regex? | |
| 13:20 | wahanui | using regex is like using black magic |
| 13:20 | cait | agreeed wahanui |
| 13:20 | do you have the jquery snipped maybe? | |
| 13:20 | Joubu | cait: if it's a detail page, there is only 1 biblionumber |
| 13:20 | why don't you get it from the TT var? | |
| 13:20 | cait | Joubu: adding something with jquery |
| 13:20 | oleonard | Joubu: Custom JS |
| 13:20 | cait | yep |
| 13:21 | magnuse | var id = $(".unapi-id").attr("title"); |
| 13:21 | cait | i have a library with lots of custom item fields and the marc items tab is the only place we display those |
| 13:21 | Joubu | var biblionumber=[% biblionumber%] ? |
| 13:21 | ha | |
| 13:21 | cait | so trying to add a shortcut :) |
| 13:21 | so they can go to that page with less clicks and it's more prominent | |
| 13:21 | oleonard | magnuse: Is that in the staff client? |
| 13:21 | magnuse | no, opac |
| 13:22 | ah, dang | |
| 13:22 | cait | yeah was wondering |
| 13:22 | magnuse | i missed the staff client bit... |
| 13:22 | cait | i mean there are plenty of urls with it as parameter |
| 13:22 | but not sure how to extract it fromthe url | |
| 13:22 | Joubu | cait: you should certainaly can get it from the url |
| 13:23 | hum, my connexion lag... | |
| 13:24 | cait | still trying to figure out how |
| 13:24 | hints welcome | |
| 13:24 | Joubu | location.href? |
| 13:25 | cait | the bit i need form the full url :) is the one i am missing |
| 13:25 | googleing around a ibt | |
| 13:28 | magnuse | cait: http://www.jquerybyexample.net[…]using-jquery.html ? |
| 13:28 | nengard | morning #koha |
| 13:28 | I almost have the 3.18 manual finished after a day of working on it yesterday :) | |
| 13:28 | cait | hm oh i have another idea |
| 13:28 | i use the link as is for the marc view and append my tab anchor :) | |
| 13:29 | magnuse | nengard++ |
| 13:32 | after upgrading to 3.16.7, the dropdown for creating new patrons on the "Patrons" page (/cgi-bin/koha/members/members-home.pl) shows the hardcoded list of general patron categories, not the list the library has actually created themselves... anyone else seeing that? | |
| 13:32 | cait | hm it was fixed in 3.18 i think |
| 13:32 | or shoudl have been | |
| 13:33 | it's a pref thing and we crated a problem there with the new patron search... which is not in 3.16? confusing | |
| 13:34 | magnuse | yeah, it looks ok in 3.18.3 |
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| 13:44 | tcohen | cait: are you saying it got fixed as a side effect? |
| 13:44 | cait | more broken by a side effect |
| 13:44 | we have fixed it on master with a patch only doing that | |
| 13:45 | bug 13458 | |
| 13:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13458 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Add new patron shows default / hardcoded patron categories after search |
| 13:45 | cait | btw, the finished hack: |
| 13:45 | var biblionumber = $("#catalog_detail #menu a:contains('MARC'):first").attr('href'); | |
| 13:45 | $("#holdings a:contains('Auswahl aufheben')").after(' | <a href="' + biblionumber + '#tab10XX">Exemplardetails</a>'); | |
| 13:45 | i know it's hacky... but refining will have to wait | |
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| 13:53 | cait | magnuse: did you check the ocnfig? |
| 13:53 | magnuse: that it wasn't changed by accident? | |
| 13:58 | magnuse | what config would that be? |
| 13:59 | cait | patronlist i think |
| 13:59 | magnuse | ah, AddPatronLists |
| 13:59 | that does not affect it | |
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| 14:02 | nengard | am i understanding the chats right - we're going to be removing OPACFallback ? |
| 14:02 | do I document it? | |
| 14:04 | cait | it stays |
| 14:04 | it has still use if you want to add your own templates | |
| 14:07 | tcohen | OPACFallback has no use right now, as we have only one theme |
| 14:07 | but if the user had a custom theme... it would show there | |
| 14:08 | its purpose is to provide a way to choose to what theme to fallback when you have a partial theme, like CCSR was | |
| 14:08 | it had a hardcoded 'prog' as a fallback, that now is handled by that syspref | |
| 14:08 | and is set to bootstrap by default | |
| 14:09 | cait | thx tochen :) |
| 14:11 | tcohen | np ciat |
| 14:11 | nengard | okay, so i'll document it :) |
| 14:17 | carmenh | morning #koha :D |
| 14:17 | cait | hi carmenh |
| 14:20 | * ashimema | has his test writing hat on again |
| 14:21 | cait | pretty hat |
| 14:21 | * ashimema | is adding tests to the shibboleth enhancement patches |
| 14:21 | hopes someone might find time to test them once he's done | |
| 14:22 | nengard | okay #koha - the last system preferences I have to document!!! OnSiteCheckouts -- explain to me why we need these because I'm confused |
| 14:22 | after that I might be done with the 3.18 manual!!! | |
| 14:24 | uh oh ... i scared you all away | |
| 14:25 | ashimema | Joubu.. care to explain OnSiteCheckouts? |
| 14:25 | it's for recording uses of items that are not loanable I beleive | |
| 14:26 | for stats purposes for example.. | |
| 14:26 | librarian walks round at the end of the day.. picks up all the books that have been left out (reference or otherwise) and does an OnSiteCheckout to record the use.. | |
| 14:27 | it's a while since I read that bug though to be fair.. I might be barking up the wrong tree.. what the pref itself does I have no idea. | |
| 14:27 | cait? | |
| 14:27 | wahanui | i think cait is regretting a bit that we didn't offer this as an option first... or on a test system for people to see |
| 14:27 | * ashimema | is getting more and more annoyed that you need a very specific database to run testws again adn expect them to actually pass! |
| 14:30 | ashimema | Joubu.. |
| 14:30 | wasn't there a bug with a db attached we can use to test against? | |
| 14:30 | I can't seem to find it :( | |
| 14:31 | * ashimema | watches tumbleweed roll on by |
| 14:34 | cait | ashimema: hm i think you are confusing with local use :) |
| 14:35 | ashimema: the difference is those really go on the patron account, but are not supposed to leave the house | |
| 14:35 | ashimema: libraries i have talked to would use it for rare items, manuscripts - when someone goes tot he libreary to study the items there | |
| 14:36 | magnuse | that is the understanding i have of it too |
| 14:36 | nengard | Yeah, I'm seeing that now in the screenshots |
| 14:36 | it's for closed stack items basically | |
| 14:36 | let people read the materials in the library and track who is using them | |
| 14:36 | it's a great idea | |
| 14:36 | need to figure out how to document this to be 100% clear | |
| 14:36 | cait | yeah, you can also see a red note in the reading lists for thos eitems |
| 14:36 | ashimema | that's right |
| 14:36 | wahanui | no it's not. |
| 14:36 | ashimema | thaks for the clarification cait |
| 14:36 | cait | and instead of checked out it says 'in local use' in opac and staff |
| 14:37 | Joubu | ashimema: bug 10337 :) |
| 14:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10337 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , UT: The unit tests cannot be launched by everyone |
| 14:37 | cait | and missed that the question was from nengard - should read all the way back up first :) |
| 14:37 | ashimema | cheer joubu |
| 14:38 | * magnuse | is faced with translations again and seriously considers moving to an english speaking country |
| 14:39 | Joubu | nengard: did you get a correct answer about your on site checkout question? |
| 14:39 | cait | heh |
| 14:39 | nengard | i think so - it's used to checkout items that don't leave the library |
| 14:39 | so you can track who has them | |
| 14:39 | Joubu | nengard: yep, that's it :) |
| 14:39 | nengard | working it in to the manual now and then I might be done for 3.18!!! |
| 14:40 | which means a bunch of help file patches coming soon | |
| 14:40 | cait | i might try and work out how to have the library set the due dates manually if they want to |
| 14:40 | but not sure when :( | |
| 14:40 | right now the due date is always set to the end of the day | |
| 14:41 | nengard | Joubu one question |
| 14:41 | OnSiteCheckoutsForce | |
| 14:41 | what's the point of this one? | |
| 14:42 | if I have onsite enabled and force disabled it kind of makes no sense ... | |
| 14:42 | Joubu | nengard: the librarian will be able to force the on site checkout even if the patron is restricted, or have a limitation (number of checkout, etc.) |
| 14:42 | nengard | so it's kind of like an override? |
| 14:42 | allowing the librarian to check out the item even if the patron is restricted? | |
| 14:44 | Joubu | yep |
| 15:03 | magnuse: I have just submited a followup for 3.16.x on bug 13458 | |
| 15:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13458 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Add new patron shows default / hardcoded patron categories after search |
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| 15:44 | nengard | holy cow - i think i'm done with the 3.18 manual |
| 15:44 | I mean ... it's never "done" but I think it has all the new stuff in it | |
| 15:53 | cait | nengard++ |
| 15:55 | ashimema | api advice .. |
| 15:55 | for monetary transactions.. | |
| 15:56 | should I create one route /svc/transaction for example that handles both invoices(debits) and payments(credits) | |
| 15:57 | or two routes.. say /svc/payment and /svc/invoice | |
| 15:57 | cait | hm no strong preference |
| 15:57 | i think transaction might be a bit too global perhaps? | |
| 15:57 | not strictly thinking about money then | |
| 15:57 | tcohen | ashimema: think REST, OO, and do it on /api/v1/ |
| 15:57 | ashimema | my guts sort of telling me the former.. leads to more DRY code I hope |
| 15:57 | tcohen | :-P |
| 15:57 | ashimema | Oh.. it's certainly OO and RESTful.. |
| 15:57 | tcohen | let's give /api the |
| 15:58 | first kick | |
| 15:58 | ashimema | and yes it's also being done in a new namespace |
| 15:58 | we actually discussed this the other day tcohen.. not sure you were there.. | |
| 15:58 | tcohen | i wasn't |
| 15:58 | ashimema | yeah.. cait that was my one dislike regarding transaction.. needs a more descriptive route |
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| 15:59 | cait | accounting? |
| 15:59 | wahanui | accounting is important. |
| 15:59 | cait | not sure |
| 15:59 | wahanui botsnack cookie | |
| 15:59 | wahanui | thanks cait :) |
| 15:59 | ashimema | We suggested perhaps we have a bug that shift all /svc into /svc_old or somthing to try and get people to realise there 'is a new way' with the new api's I hope to promote |
| 16:00 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/New_REST_API_RFC | |
| 16:00 | that was the result of our initla thoughts tcohen | |
| 16:00 | woudl be interested in your thoughts too ;) | |
| 16:01 | tcohen | i would only add that I'd rather choose a new namespace (/api) and that it should be versioned |
| 16:03 | ashimema | I agree with the new namespace.. |
| 16:03 | I'm less enamoured by versioning | |
| 16:03 | Dyrcona | Whee! Sixty-six centimeters of show and it isn't finished, yet. |
| 16:03 | cait | it would make future changes easier... but might lead to have lots of copied code? |
| 16:03 | ashimema | my question regarding versioning is at what point is a version 'done' |
| 16:04 | cait | Dyrcona: ? |
| 16:04 | ashimema | yeah.. cait |
| 16:05 | I've rather see a sensible set of guidelines/rule drawn up for what goes into our new namespace and see that things going in there remain strictly within though guidelines.. | |
| 16:05 | Dyrcona | s/show/snow/ |
| 16:05 | tcohen | I think versioning is important for a second stage |
| 16:05 | ashimema | thereby allowing the api to be continually enhanced but remain backward compatible as such without restricting us to versions |
| 16:05 | tcohen | once we have a mature API, and people want it to evolve |
| 16:05 | we might as well choose not to support them | |
| 16:06 | but I think no harm keeping as an option from the beggining | |
| 16:07 | ashimema | I'd almost prefer we version on a route by route basis.. save needing to ad /v1/route /v2/route's all over the urls |
| 16:07 | hmm.. though I know what you mean.. | |
| 16:07 | versioning does have it's upsides | |
| 16:08 | tcohen | for ourselves, it makes sense to just stick to /svc or /api |
| 16:08 | but think of people from other projects | |
| 16:09 | Joubu | that's why we decided not to submit koha-restful into the Koha codebase |
| 16:09 | ashimema | ok.. perhaps I'm happy to version.. |
| 16:09 | just reading up on versioning | |
| 16:10 | version via url or header though.. | |
| 16:11 | added versioning to the wiki RFC ;) | |
| 16:11 | I'm sold | |
| 16:12 | i effect we're versioning lareday by making a breaking change with the move from svc whatevr goes to a restfull /api space ;) | |
| 16:12 | just the versioning will be /svc = v0 and /api = v1 ;) | |
| 16:12 | anywho.. | |
| 16:13 | I should get back to me transactions route... though I have a horrible feeling I'm quickly going to run into the territory of overlapping with the account re-write.. | |
| 16:13 | which I really don't like the idea of running into | |
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| 16:41 | nengard | bug 13088 |
| 16:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13088 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Allow the user to specify a max amount of facets to show. |
| 16:42 | nengard | says there is a new pref in Koha - but I don't see it in my install of Koha |
| 16:42 | what happened to it? | |
| 16:42 | I'm reading through the releaes notes to make sure the manual is up to date | |
| 16:54 | reiveune | bye |
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| 17:32 | nengard | anyone know what's up with http://es.koha-community.org/manual/ ? |
| 17:32 | I know it's been down for a while ... | |
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| 17:45 | tcohen | nengard: maxRecordsForFacets |
| 17:45 | nengard | yeah? |
| 17:45 | tcohen | also, es.koha-community.org is being moved, and the manual has been moved to the translate site |
| 17:45 | http://translate.koha-community.org/manual/ | |
| 17:46 | i'm sorry, the introduced syspref was FacetMaxCount | |
| 17:46 | nengard | oh! thanks - now I see it |
| 17:47 | and as for the manual - WOW - it's gorgeous | |
| 17:47 | what happened to the PDF though? | |
| 17:47 | and how often is the HTML generated? | |
| 17:47 | http://manual.koha-community.org/3.18/en/ is generated nightly | |
| 17:47 | tcohen | you'll need to wait for bgkriegel to be back from vacation |
| 17:48 | nengard | @later tell bgkriegel when you're back from vaca ping me about the manual, i'm wondering how often the html is generated and where the PDF links are - http://manual.koha-community.org/3.18/en/ is generated nightly just fyi |
| 17:48 | huginn | nengard: The operation succeeded. |
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| 18:02 | schnydszch | Hi Julian! I'm trying out again the koha connector in drupal. I've already set up the content type to publish automatically however everytime i do the drush harvest the contents does not publish. I'm using the latest opac and koha connector modules. Thanks in advance and cheers! :) |
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| 18:30 | oleonard | schnydszch: Is the person you're trying to talk to here? |
| 18:31 | schnydszch | Oleonard, just testing messaging, it's for jajm ;) |
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| 18:35 | cbrannon | Can anyone tell me, when I look at the timestamp of an item in the deleteditems table, does that timestamp reflect when that item was deleted? |
| 18:38 | oleonard | cbrannon: I would say the answer is "probably," since it's not likely that the record was modified by any other means |
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| 18:40 | cbrannon | Thanks oleonard. Trying to incorporate some stats from that table. Proving to be challenging considering when items are deleted. Hopefully this will be more accurate when I am done. |
| 18:41 | I just wasn't sure if the timestamp is something copied with the record to this table when the item is deleted. | |
| 18:42 | oleonard | To my understanding, if the timestamp column is of timestamp type it is automatically updated on creation or edit |
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| 19:05 | * cait | waves |
| 19:16 | mtj | hiya cait |
| 19:16 | cait | hi mtj :) |
| 19:18 | mtj | who can tickle jenkins_bot peeps |
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| 19:20 | tcohen | hi mtj |
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| 19:22 | mtj | heya tcohen, thanks for the jenkins help |
| 19:22 | i missed your PM msg a few days ago.. | |
| 19:22 | tcohen | np, do u need something right now? |
| 19:22 | mtj | nope :) |
| 19:23 | i'm all good, thanks | |
| 19:27 | random Q... how many people on #koha are using SSD drives for dev and/or prod systems? | |
| 19:27 | cait | not currently |
| 19:27 | tcohen | +1 |
| 19:28 | (dev) | |
| 19:28 | mtj | ive had one in my lappy for ... 1.5 years? - its been great |
| 19:28 | cait | i tried to replace the one in my laptop with ssd... but the one i have gave me lots of trouble lst time i tried |
| 19:28 | mtj | ..but ive only just added one to my dev 'server' thingy |
| 19:29 | cait | well maybe it's not even the ssd, but the cd drive... because i failed getting ubuntu on it |
| 19:29 | have to try again with a usb stick to boot from sometime | |
| 19:29 | mtj | ah, bummer cait :/ |
| 19:29 | tcohen | cait: let's give it another try |
| 19:29 | cait | yeah but not tonight :) |
| 19:29 | * cait | is going to do the dishes now :) |
| 19:29 | mtj | it made an amazing difference on my old/slowish lappy |
| 19:30 | tcohen | on recent hw, i found that it was troublesome to boot ubuntu from sticks |
| 19:30 | but, typing "live"+<enter> did the trick | |
| 19:30 | before that it got stuck on some weird grub error message | |
| 19:31 | mtj | the thing i wanna see is how much faster mysql stuff is, on a ssd |
| 19:32 | hmm, i wonder what the SSD speedup for long/slow mysql stuff is | |
| 19:32 | data/bib clenaup stuff, or marc imports, etc.. | |
| 19:33 | would be a pretty easy thing to test :) | |
| 19:35 | i'm quite curious about the results of that ^ | |
| 19:37 | i vaguely recall a bunch of articles some years ago, saying ... "dont run DBs on ssd drives, you will break the SSD!" | |
| 19:38 | cbrannon | mtj: what about a hybrid? |
| 19:39 | mtj | yes, for sure :) |
| 19:39 | but for me, i take the faster/smaller prue ssd | |
| 19:39 | pure | |
| 19:40 | well, have both types of drives, really | |
| 19:40 | cbrannon | I haven't tried a hybrid myself. |
| 19:40 | mtj | i have both, fwiw |
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| 19:42 | mtj | i recently bought a big/old HP server, with 64g of RAM |
| 19:42 | * magnuse | waves |
| 19:43 | mtj | ..i was planning on running a test mysql db, on a huge ramfs 'disk' with it |
| 19:44 | i was curious about the speed difference for reaaaaally slow imports, on a mysql/ramdisk setup | |
| 19:44 | * mtj | hasnt got round to it yet |
| 19:44 | * magnuse | waves to JesseM in french |
| 19:45 | JesseM | hiya magnuse :) |
| 19:45 | few more weeks | |
| 19:45 | cheese!! | |
| 19:45 | wahanui | cheese is delicious, but cait just had butter. |
| 19:46 | magnuse | lol |
| 19:46 | yeah, the cheese is the main thing ;-) | |
| 19:46 | come for the cheese, stay for the hacking | |
| 19:46 | mtj | sounds pretty exciting stuff |
| 19:47 | JesseM | :D |
| 19:47 | mtj | hey JesseM, keep the camera ready for some cheeses, yeah |
| 19:47 | JesseM | oh yeah |
| 19:48 | mtj | cheese is great to photograph :p |
| 19:49 | JesseM | until we all dig in! :P |
| 19:53 | * magnuse | upgrades customers to 3.18.3 |
| 19:54 | tcohen | magnuse: yay! |
| 19:55 | * magnuse | will blame tcohen if things go belly up |
| 19:55 | magnuse | ;-) |
| 19:57 | mtj | lol |
| 19:57 | cait | magnuse: tell me how it went, we will soon too :) |
| 19:57 | magnuse | will do! |
| 19:58 | * magnuse | looks forward to meeting lots of cool people in marseille |
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| 20:00 | pastebot | "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "errors related to old themes, from running apt-get upgrade" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/379 |
| 20:00 | magnuse | not sure if that ^ is to be expected |
| 20:03 | i get that for each language installed | |
| 20:06 | cait | HM |
| 20:07 | haven't seen those | |
| 20:07 | hm at least I think we didn't | |
| 20:08 | wizzyrea | yeah I think the translation fixes got lost along the way, eythian thought they were fixed when I saw them too. |
| 20:12 | * magnuse | is not too worried |
| 20:14 | cait | @later tell ashimema could you take a look at bug 13544? Joubu and me are out |
| 20:14 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:15 | magnuse | bug 13544 |
| 20:15 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13544 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , admin/auth_subfields_structure.pl does not compile in older perls |
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| 20:45 | David_H | Greetings! Working through the upgrade of Koha on our Ubuntu server from 3.18.02 to 3.18.03. The instructions seemed pretty simple: just run "sudo apt-get install koha-common". Is there another step to the process? Do we need to stop/restart the MySQl database? Should we have stopped it first? |
| 20:46 | magnuse | David_H: nope, ""sudo apt-get install koha-common" should be all you need |
| 20:46 | or "sudo apt-get upgrade" | |
| 20:46 | but that will of course upgrade other stuff too | |
| 20:46 | it really is that simple :-) | |
| 20:47 | David_H | excellent. I just recall us having significant issues on the last upgrade and I thought there was more to it |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | it's really that simple. |
| 20:48 | David_H | thanks! |
| 20:48 | wizzyrea | you might need to do an apt-get update to let apt know there's a new version |
| 20:48 | but other than that. | |
| 20:49 | gmcharlt | David_H: if you have a cat handy, you could always use it to randomize the keyboard input |
| 20:49 | that is, if you want the upgrade to be slightly more difficulty ;) | |
| 20:50 | magnuse | ooh, that is some good advice |
| 20:51 | maybe rangi should add it to the notes for 3.18.4? | |
| 20:52 | nengard | Hi David_H |
| 20:52 | excited to see you here :) | |
| 20:54 | magnuse | disney? |
| 20:57 | * cait | waves |
| 21:03 | * magnuse | wanders off |
| 21:06 | David_H | Sorry, yes...stepped away. Quick [additional] question - how do we backup our database prior to doing future upgrades (just in case)? |
| 21:07 | Interesting: when we launch Koha it still shows the version as 3.18.02 | |
| 21:10 | Hey Nicole, come visit! | |
| 21:12 | cait | David_H: hm it should show the new version |
| 21:12 | maybe the update didn't happen yet? | |
| 21:12 | David_H | We thought so to. Checked the Koha Admin About and it still had the old one |
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| 21:37 | eythian | hi |
| 21:37 | wahanui | hola, eythian |
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| 21:49 | wizzyrea | did it maybe hold back your package and not install it? |
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| 22:08 | dcook | hehe |
| 22:08 | magnuse and gmcharlt are sadistic | |
| 22:09 | <gmcharlt> David_H: if you have a cat handy, you could always use it to randomize the keyboard input | |
| 22:09 | gmcharlt | dcook: I like to view it as sharing... |
| 22:09 | (... the pain) | |
| 22:09 | dcook | hehe |
| 22:09 | Caring is sharing :) | |
| 22:09 | Good to see you around, gmcharlt ^_^ | |
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| 22:36 | dcook | Got to love the moment when someone updates a function to a better style... but before your patch is pushed : p |
| 22:38 | eythian | that's always annoying |
| 22:40 | dcook | And now I'm also a bit confused about how to proceed... |
| 22:40 | Pass the argument just in the hashref according to the new style | |
| 22:40 | Or also add a parameter to the list in the old style... | |
| 22:40 | * dcook | is tempted just to use the hashref |
| 22:40 | eythian | why is the old style still an option? |
| 22:41 | dcook | That's a good question |
| 22:41 | I suspect someone didn't want to bother refactoring the old code | |
| 22:41 | I've seen it in patches before, but I think this is the first time in a pushed patch.. | |
| 22:42 | pianohacker | massive map nerdery: http://www.jasondavies.com/maps/transition/ |
| 22:44 | dcook | That's pretty neat, pianohacker |
| 22:44 | I always enjoyed a good Mercator | |
| 22:44 | Mostly because it looked nicest hung up on my wall | |
| 22:44 | ... and it was the only map I had :p | |
| 22:45 | You know you're from the country when you spend your spare time staring at maps instead of... well... doing anything else | |
| 22:46 | pianohacker | dcook: check out guyou :) |
| 22:48 | eythian | need a mercator centred around the south pole really |
| 22:48 | dcook | wth... |
| 22:49 | So the old style doesn't include the latest change to the parameters available to the function either... | |
| 22:49 | mtj | http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/3711652 |
| 22:49 | hiya, another good one ^ | |
| 22:50 | its impressive stuff | |
| 22:51 | pianohacker | pretty |
| 22:51 | mtj | im curious about the reasoning for various layouts |
| 22:52 | i cant see the point in some | |
| 22:53 | pianohacker | as far as I can tell, the answer to that for some of these is "because a mathemetician got bored". XKCD got me into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P[…]uncial_projection , for instance. I _finally_ coded up an implementation a couple weeks ago, there's some difficult numerical code I had to steal/port :P |
| 22:53 | tcohen | dcook: changing the API of a function can lead to lot of work on the rest of the code |
| 22:54 | not everyone has the time, when they are fixing something | |
| 22:56 | mtj | pianohacker: aah yes... 'bored math nerds' explains it well :) |
| 22:58 | dcook | tcohen: Yeah, I know. It's pretty new code anyway though :p |
| 22:58 | tcohen: I'll follow the precedent and just make my change to the hashref style. Sound good? | |
| 23:05 | tcohen | new style :-D |
| 23:05 | schnydszch | mtj I'm using ssd servers in prod and testing. Because that's what is stated by my service providers |
| 23:06 | Anybody from biblibre here? Coz I have a question :) | |
| 23:08 | pianohacker | tcohen: I'm working on a patch series for 13630 |
| 23:08 | bug 13630 | |
| 23:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13630 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Angular-based circulation client |
| 23:09 | tcohen | pianohacker: awesome |
| 23:18 | dcook | tcohen: Any tips for catching errors in unit tests? |
| 23:18 | tcohen | use Test::Warn |
| 23:19 | dcook | Hmm |
| 23:19 | I'm not sure that's quite what I want | |
| 23:19 | Rather, I want to make sure warning X isn't happening | |
| 23:20 | I'm thinking of using Test::More's pass() and fail() | |
| 23:20 | Depending on the result of the eval/$@ | |
| 23:20 | Hmm, that doesn't seem recommended though | |
| 23:22 | pianohacker | dcook: really? I'm not much of a perl expert, but I thought that was the best we had for catching exceptions (outside of CPAN) |
| 23:22 | dcook | The pass()/fail() I mean, pianohacker |
| 23:23 | pianohacker | ah, kk |
| 23:23 | dcook | Maybe I'm just trying to test too much? |
| 23:24 | tcohen | dcook: can u elaborate on the use case? |
| 23:24 | dcook | Well, I'm adding that $parameters hashref to XSLT_Handler |
| 23:25 | But XML::LibXSLT only takes a hash | |
| 23:25 | So if I try to dereference something that isn't a hashref, it'll warn | |
| 23:25 | I suppose the thing to do is make sure that I have a hashref before trying to dereference | |
| 23:26 | pianohacker | yeah, seems easiest |
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| 23:28 | dcook | Mmm, I think I've got it. |
| 23:31 | chrisvella joined #koha | |
| 23:31 | dcook | I'll still add a test just to show that you don't have to add parameters.. |
| 23:32 | Or that empty parameters don't break it.. | |
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| 23:37 | dcook | Cool. tcohen you should have an updated patch in a moment :) |
| 23:37 | tcohen: Does it need to go through sign off and QA once again? | |
| 23:59 | hehe | |
| 23:59 | "We could even add support for | |
| 23:59 | 'format=usmarc' if you want to use that as your formatting method. I'm sure | |
| 23:59 | someone somewhere likes that idea. | |
| 23:59 | " |
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