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| 00:10 | mario left #koha | |
| 00:13 | dcook | Oh wow... |
| 00:14 | eythian: where do you find this stuff? | |
| 00:14 | wahanui | stuff is working quite well... ... But not ready for production at the moment. or in xslt |
| 00:14 | dcook | Actually, I'm not sure I want to know... |
| 00:14 | eythian | dcook: I have my sources |
| 00:14 | dcook | Evidently! |
| 00:14 | eythian | https://twitter.com/textfiles/[…]58052413517877248 <-- wow |
| 00:18 | dcook | http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/[…]halifax-1.2921220 <-- yikes |
| 00:22 | O_o | |
| 00:49 | BobB | hi folks |
| 00:49 | I have an Overdrive question | |
| 00:49 | wizzyrea | no guarantees, but you can ask :) |
| 00:50 | BobB | We've found that a Koha user can borrow from Overdrive even if they type their password incorrectly |
| 00:50 | has anyone seen that? | |
| 00:50 | wizzyrea | that sounds like a bug in SIP. |
| 00:50 | BobB | so they get the user name right, but the pw wrong |
| 00:50 | How crazy is that? | |
| 00:51 | but if its a SIP bug, shouldn' | |
| 00:51 | t it fail every time, not succeed every time? | |
| 00:51 | eythian | heh |
| 00:51 | you haven't seen the latest sip bug | |
| 00:52 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 00:52 | BobB | ? |
| 00:52 | * BobB | shudders at what might be coming |
| 00:52 | eythian | it causes some strange authentication things to happen |
| 00:52 | wizzyrea | what he said. |
| 00:52 | so, the answer is, yes, it is known. | |
| 00:52 | BobB | now this is in 3.14.6 |
| 00:53 | eythian | I don't know when it came about |
| 00:55 | BobB | hmm, its not obvious which bug. This one? |
| 00:55 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13432 | |
| 00:55 | huginn | 04Bug 13432: normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , SIP Server does not respect timeout setting |
| 00:56 | BobB | ah, of course |
| 00:56 | and its status? | |
| 00:57 | if it needs a patch, can we help? | |
| 00:58 | eythian | it's bug 12126, but most people can't see it as it's a security issue |
| 00:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12126 is not accessible. |
| 01:00 | BobB | thx eythian |
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| 01:32 | eythian | dcook: bug 13607 |
| 01:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13607 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Patron management API |
| 01:38 | dcook | Cool. Needs sign off, eythian? |
| 01:38 | eythian | if you like :) I'm in the process of porting my internal documentation/specification to the wiki. |
| 01:38 | dcook | Well, I was more so curious as it still said assigned :) |
| 01:39 | Crazy busy at the moment.. | |
| 01:39 | Hopefully less busy soon.. | |
| 01:40 | eythian | ah right. |
| 01:40 | yeah, I'll switch it over when I've written everything up | |
| 01:54 | woo, submitted upstream | |
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| 01:56 | wizzyrea | I am always impressed by what people do when they are given the time/money to do things properly. |
| 01:56 | *smart people | |
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| 01:59 | dcook | wizzyrea: word |
| 02:00 | I don't know if that's an appropriate moment for me to say: | |
| 02:00 | "I was wondering for a few seconds why my website wasn't loading... then I remembered that I wasn't forwarding the right port..." | |
| 02:00 | I suppose I often say what's on my mind though... :p | |
| 02:02 | Hmm, although that only looks like half the problem.. | |
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| 06:01 | eythian | @wunder nzwn |
| 06:01 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (6:30 PM NZDT on January 22, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:02 | mtj | hiya eythian |
| 06:02 | eythian | hi mtj |
| 06:02 | mtj | its quite nice out there, atm :) |
| 06:03 | eythian | it is |
| 06:03 | mtj | a long day for you, huh |
| 06:05 | eythian | a bit, got my API finished though, so that's nice. |
| 06:05 | about to head off soon. | |
| 06:05 | mtj | ES api? |
| 06:05 | eythian | no, user provisioning. |
| 06:06 | ES is mostly all I have to work on for the next while | |
| 06:06 | mtj | aah, thats new to me ^ |
| 06:06 | eythian | bug 13607 |
| 06:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13607 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Patron management API |
| 06:06 | mtj | ..sounds like good place to stop tho :) |
| 06:07 | eythian | yeah :) |
| 06:08 | mtj | wow, looks awesome |
| 06:08 | thats going to make many people very happy :0) | |
| 06:09 | eythian | I hope so |
| 06:10 | we have a client who is going to make their membership management system talk to koha to populate user detail. | |
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| 06:13 | eythian | bye all |
| 06:13 | * eythian | & |
| 06:26 | cait joined #koha | |
| 06:43 | cait joined #koha | |
| 06:43 | cait | morning #koha |
| 06:56 | dcook | MUahahahaha |
| 06:56 | Hi cait :) | |
| 06:56 | Hehe | |
| 06:56 | "* eythian &" | |
| 06:56 | Love it | |
| 06:59 | cait | hi dcook |
| 07:00 | dcook | The "MUahahahaha" was due to figuring out my proxy config issue... |
| 07:00 | :) | |
| 07:06 | mtj | hi cait, dcook |
| 07:07 | cait | hi mtj |
| 07:07 | sorry, still waking up | |
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| 07:25 | dcook | Ok, I think it's about time to roll out! |
| 07:30 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:30 | dcook | hola magnuse |
| 07:30 | au revoir tout le monde | |
| 07:31 | magnuse | have fun dcook |
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| 07:34 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 07:37 | reiveune joined #koha | |
| 07:38 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:38 | wahanui | privet, reiveune |
| 07:56 | dcook | Ok, actually going now :p |
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| 08:00 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 08:07 | mtj | hi all, i've rencetly discovered some important 'ajax circ' patches , for 3.16... |
| 08:07 | recently | |
| 08:07 | my plan is to apply those patches 1st, for the 3.16.7 release | |
| 08:08 | just a heads up... :0) | |
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| 08:13 | fridolin | hie all |
| 08:14 | mtj | ..the patch set has many merge conflicts for 3.16, so i need to correct these patches manually |
| 08:15 | because of this, its safer/better for me to apply them 1st, before other patches | |
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| 08:16 | mtj | more info in the revert commit -> http://git.koha-community.org/[…]64698d59f5fa687d2 |
| 08:18 | hiya fridolin :) | |
| 08:19 | fridolin | hie mtj |
| 08:20 | mtj | fridolin: i think my 3.16.7 release wont be ready until monday |
| 08:20 | fridolin | mtj ok, you think we should synch the release ? |
| 08:21 | the releases | |
| 08:21 | wahanui | i think the releases is the type |
| 08:21 | mtj | i dont mind, either way... |
| 08:22 | ..but i will feel bad to ask Bernardo to build new .PO files for me, twice :/ | |
| 08:24 | paul_p joined #koha | |
| 08:24 | mtj | i think no need to synch releases |
| 08:24 | ashimema | :qmorning #koha |
| 08:25 | paul_p | good morning everybody |
| 08:25 | mtj | fridolin: i am still abit unsure of parts of the release process |
| 08:26 | Joubu | hello #koha |
| 08:26 | fridolin | mtj I will be too busy monday |
| 08:26 | mtj | ..mostly around dates and email/communication details |
| 08:27 | fridolin | i propose to release tomorow |
| 08:27 | mtj | ok, no probs |
| 08:27 | i need to test all my circ fixes, before i release | |
| 08:28 | magnuse | test all the fixes! |
| 08:29 | mtj | better to release 3.16.7 late, with tested circ patches - than to release on time.. but with no fixes |
| 08:32 | ashimema | ooh.. |
| 08:32 | * ashimema | just saw eythians patrons api |
| 08:32 | magnuse | yeah eythian++ |
| 08:32 | ashimema | i've been meaning to do somthing similar for ages |
| 08:32 | never had the time though:( | |
| 08:33 | magnuse | and now you can find the time to qa it instead :-) |
| 08:33 | * magnuse | was just working on a script to sync in some patron data |
| 08:34 | magnuse | s/just working/just about to start working/ |
| 08:34 | ashimema | is it submitted? |
| 08:34 | oh yeah.. | |
| 08:34 | i hadn't read down that far yet | |
| 08:35 | and the bug is already commented by Joubu | |
| 08:40 | Joubu | ashimema: I just hope I am wrong, but at the first glance, it does the same thing as koha-restful, released something like 18months ago |
| 08:40 | ashimema | but koha-restful was never submitted into koha core |
| 08:40 | ;) | |
| 08:40 | as much as I would have liked it to have been. | |
| 08:41 | Joubu | it's open source and we accept pull-requests :) |
| 08:41 | and it could be submitted, if someone wanted | |
| 08:41 | ashimema | indeed... but it's a further tool to install.. |
| 08:41 | Joubu | hum, it's a git clone, yes |
| 08:41 | ashimema | i've always been of the opinion that koha should have a full restful api built in. |
| 08:42 | i.e no further tools required.. thus ruling out koha-restful ;) | |
| 08:42 | I do like koha-restful.. don't get me wrong.. but I want koha itself to have it | |
| 08:42 | comments.. should the delete routine be attached to a http DELETE rather than a http POST ? | |
| 08:43 | I think so.. but would like to hear opinions | |
| 08:43 | Joubu | I am just thinking it's too bad to develop the same thing several times, when there are as many things to do |
| 08:44 | ashimema: yes of course it should | |
| 08:44 | ashimema | mmm.. it's a shame koha-restful didn't get the attention and get proted into koha.. |
| 08:44 | having said that.. I probably would do things differently ;) | |
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| 08:45 | ashimema | I've done allot of API programming lately and have learnt allot regarding rest |
| 08:46 | * cait | waves |
| 08:46 | ashimema | personally.. I would use json encoded body's to transmit borrowers.. not query params |
| 08:46 | makes for muhc simpler reading of the api ;) | |
| 08:47 | I'm much more of a fan of posting objects than of making a uri really unreadable and long ;) | |
| 08:47 | magnuse | that does sound like a valid point, yes |
| 08:47 | how does the rest of svc do things? | |
| 08:47 | ashimema | it's a really mixed bag.. |
| 08:48 | I'd like some clear guidelines personally ;) | |
| 08:48 | magnuse | that's less than ideal... |
| 08:48 | ashimema | to prevent it gettting any more messy |
| 08:48 | my api's these days are really restfull. | |
| 08:48 | magnuse | maybe biblibre could submit koha-restful and we could have a discussion on which way to go? |
| 08:49 | ashimema | i.e I use PUT, POST, DELETE and GET apropriately.. I use json bodies for posts and puts, and return json bodies for gets |
| 08:49 | I think there are a few technologies in koha-restful that would prevent it going in.. | |
| 08:49 | :( | |
| 08:50 | I'de like to see pianohackers Koha::Service module added and for our work to be based on that.. | |
| 08:50 | it's adds a much needed base framework to build api's on top | |
| 08:50 | Joubu | magnuse: Unfortunately there are not enought resources on Koha at the moment to submit koha-restful |
| 08:50 | (at BibLibre) | |
| 08:50 | magnuse | should we create svc2 then, to be based on Koha::Service and with the things that ashimema just listed? |
| 08:50 | ashimema | I've used it for the ILL work.. and our Cash Management work. |
| 08:50 | magnuse | ashimema: used what? |
| 08:50 | ashimema | Koha::Service |
| 08:50 | magnuse | ah |
| 08:51 | cait | sounds like we shoudl work on getting this in |
| 08:51 | early | |
| 08:51 | so that your other work is not blocked by it | |
| 08:51 | ashimema | hense why I really want to submit pianohackers patch on his behalf.. |
| 08:51 | he seems to have gone awol again ;) | |
| 08:51 | cait | awol? |
| 08:51 | magnuse | it happens |
| 08:51 | pianohacker? | |
| 08:51 | wahanui | I HATE XML |
| 08:51 | ashimema | https://github.com/pianohacker[…]66a70ef5233fe9642 |
| 08:52 | see the Koha/Service.pm .. the rest of the commit is additional cruft | |
| 08:52 | magnuse | AWOL is an acronym for "absent without leave" or "absent without official leave" |
| 08:52 | ashimema | awol = Absent Without Official Leave |
| 08:52 | lol | |
| 08:52 | magnuse | jinx? |
| 08:52 | cait | thx :) |
| 08:52 | have you tried emailing him? | |
| 08:53 | ashimema | yup |
| 08:53 | cait | hm the drojf is awol too |
| 08:54 | ashimema: no answer? not good | |
| 08:54 | magnuse | ashimema: have you asked bag? |
| 08:55 | ashimema | not yet.. that was my next avenue |
| 08:55 | magnuse | worth a try |
| 08:57 | ashimema | indeed |
| 09:01 | magnuse | did pianohacker say he was going to marseille? |
| 09:01 | @seen pianohacker | |
| 09:01 | huginn | magnuse: pianohacker was last seen in #koha 1 week, 1 day, 11 hours, 27 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <pianohacker> oh hi wizzyrea! |
| 09:05 | * ashimema | feels mean now.. |
| 09:05 | magnuse | why? |
| 09:06 | ashimema | just posted a comment on the bug. |
| 09:06 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13607 | |
| 09:06 | huginn | 04Bug 13607: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Patron management API |
| 09:07 | magnuse | ashimema: good comments, methinks |
| 09:07 | cait | ashimema: does it make you feel better when it ell you that i feel mean lots of times after a comment? ;) |
| 09:08 | ashimema | :) |
| 09:10 | * ashimema | feels like he's turning into a grouch |
| 09:11 | ashimema | there's moe and more patches I look at these days and wish I could ask them to start again on.. we seem to constantly be adding to the technical debt without ever really thinking it through :( |
| 09:11 | * ashimema | will stop the moaning now |
| 09:13 | * cait | hands ashimema the cookie jar |
| 09:13 | magnuse | ashimema: a very good point, i think |
| 09:15 | ashimema | I can fully understand the constraints and reasons behind allot of it.. but as a community I think we need to really start asking ourselves more questions about how we want contributions to work. |
| 09:16 | So long as we keep allowing new things in that build upon the mountain of debt we won't ever get it under control... it's a really hard call to make though.. our biggest contributors are also our biggest proponents of it.. as support companies we all have strict deadlines and budgets to meet.. | |
| 09:16 | cait | i thik the problem is that we have programmers all over the world with different skill levels and backgrounds |
| 09:16 | it's hard to make us all 'do the same thing the same way' | |
| 09:17 | ashimema | I don't know the answer.. I don't know how other open source communities manage it either |
| 09:17 | cait | which is sometimes good... and sometimes not so much |
| 09:17 | magnuse | all true |
| 09:17 | ashimema | totally true cait.. but actually I think the bigger issue is the time and money problem.. aong with a distinct lack of cross company communication |
| 09:18 | which is deffo getting better.. slowly but surely | |
| 09:18 | cait | yeah gettig better,b ut small steps and big demands |
| 09:18 | that's why meeting like marseille are so important | |
| 09:19 | magnuse | so ideally we could/should discuss and decide on some rules for the rest api, then create e.g. svc2 based on those rules, and then in a couple of years deprecate the existing svc? |
| 09:19 | ashimema | That's what I'd love to see magnuse |
| 09:20 | cait | it makes sense |
| 09:20 | ashimema | the awesome thing about koha::service is that it's entirely testable :) |
| 09:20 | Joubu | mv svc mvc_legacy; mkdir svc |
| 09:20 | svc_legacy* | |
| 09:21 | ashimema | koha::service and koha::service::route are both pm's and do all the work.. thus are fully testable :) |
| 09:21 | * Joubu | should buy new fingers... |
| 09:21 | cait | Joubu: do you know if there is a google spreadsheet yet for marseille? |
| 09:21 | we coudl add topic ideas :) | |
| 09:21 | ashimema | Joubu++ |
| 09:21 | I like that idea.. move svc to svc_legacy.. that wouldn't be a big patch.. and it would really encourage people to move to the new rather than sticking to the old. | |
| 09:22 | Joubu | cait: no yet |
| 09:22 | cait | need to have a new one first |
| 09:23 | * magnuse | would be worried about breaking existing integrations, but would not object too loudly :-) |
| 09:23 | Joubu | cait: "tomorrow, I promise" said paul_p |
| 09:23 | magnuse | would definitely be a good topic for marseille |
| 09:23 | hehe | |
| 09:23 | Joubu | paul_p: :p |
| 09:23 | cait | :) |
| 09:23 | ashimema | I'de be interested to see whose using /svc outside of internal koha scripts |
| 09:23 | Joubu | you don't have the choice anymore ;) |
| 09:24 | cait | we have a thing using the catalouging things |
| 09:24 | ... | |
| 09:24 | adding ILL records and items to koha | |
| 09:24 | but that's not in production yet and we would move it to a new api i think | |
| 09:28 | magnuse | trouble is, someone needs to take that time to create that svc2 api... |
| 09:28 | ashimema | the choice is there.. if you really don't want to move forward you can switch to using svc_legacy.. but it's an active decision this way.. |
| 09:29 | magnuse | ashimema: does pianohackers work start to implement a new api on top of koha::service? |
| 09:32 | ashimema | it does.. but I think that's why it's not yet submitted.. |
| 09:32 | I'd split his work into lots of bugs.. | |
| 09:32 | one for the base class, Koha::Service.. and one for each of the svc1 -> svc2 updates | |
| 09:32 | and I'de be happy to get going on that too ;) | |
| 09:33 | Joubu suggested we form a group and talk about this in Marseille.. agree a way forward and pin down some guidlines.. | |
| 09:33 | I tihnk that's a great plan :) | |
| 09:33 | * magnuse | agrees wholeheartedly |
| 09:33 | ashimema | :) |
| 09:33 | * cait | agrees too |
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| 09:34 | cait | but let's try and involve the others too, that cannot be there |
| 09:34 | ins ome way | |
| 09:34 | magnuse | sure |
| 09:34 | heia bensinober | |
| 09:34 | ashimema | yeah.. I was going to suggest an open video conf or somthing |
| 09:34 | could use ptfs-europes go to meeting if there's nothing else available :) | |
| 09:34 | bensinober | hi, couldn't stay out of this discussion ;) |
| 09:34 | cait | bit hard to get a good time for nz :( |
| 09:35 | ashimema | hi |
| 09:35 | magnuse | what good has nz ever done for koha? ;-) |
| 09:36 | bensinober | I had a chat with pianohacker a while ago on irc on his Koha::Service work |
| 09:37 | seems a very good idea indeed, and much of the same as Joubou has been doing, methinks? | |
| 09:37 | they even share credits in the code | |
| 09:37 | ashimema | 8pm marseille time would be 8am nz time.. that could work.. |
| 09:38 | bensinober | anyway, we at Oslo Public Library are currently using koha-restful in our work, but would gladly help in a mutual effort on a merged service API |
| 09:38 | cait | ashimema: so you have to persuade someone with a key to stay that long heh :) |
| 09:38 | ashimema | Koha::Service is good indeed.. it's re-inventing the wheel a bit as there are libraries out there that do the same thing.. but this doesn't add any further dependencies to koha.. so i'de be happy with it. |
| 09:39 | indeed.. cait.. I would ;) | |
| 09:39 | magnuse | or just get an ethernet cable out a window before the door is locked, and we could do it outside :-) |
| 09:40 | bensinober | ok, I thought it was a move from C4::Service, haven't looked properly into it |
| 09:42 | ashimema | it's good bensinober :) |
| 09:42 | basically it adds the nice routing stuff from things like ruby on rails, mojolicious, dancer | |
| 09:43 | magnuse | bensinober: definitely sounds like you need to come to marseille (and bring the opl credit card, if you can :-) |
| 09:44 | bensinober: did pianohacker say anything about submitting his work? | |
| 09:44 | bensinober | if ever there was one ... ;) |
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| 09:44 | bensinober | good, a sound RESTful api should have support for HEAD requests and content negotiation and such |
| 09:45 | ashimema | I'de be happy to do another shibboleth with the Koha::Service stuff.. ie shamelessly steal all the patches and post them up with the right accrediations to the original authors.. and fix all the bugs as I go along with followups from me :) |
| 09:45 | that worked well with shibboleth ;) | |
| 09:46 | Joubu | Nobody at BibLibre asked or paid bensinober to say that ;) |
| 09:47 | ashimema | I fully agree on that ;) |
| 09:47 | Joubu | afaik :) |
| 09:47 | cait | i think that#s good, we have some agreement here |
| 09:47 | (even if i have no idea about HEAD requests :) ) | |
| 09:47 | so... work group in Marseille? | |
| 09:47 | or can we start before and have patches for review/testing? | |
| 09:48 | bensinober | ashimema: pianohacker has submitted a bug but I believe his code is mostly at github |
| 09:48 | https://github.com/pianohacker[…]commits/bug-12272 | |
| 09:48 | ashimema | the code is all on github.. |
| 09:48 | but there's nothing in the bug.. not even a link to the github ;) | |
| 09:49 | i've based a few devs on his github work already ;) | |
| 09:49 | adding the HEAD supoprt is somtihng that needs dowing to Koha::Service.. that's not there yet ;) | |
| 09:50 | cait | dowing? |
| 09:51 | * magnuse | would encourage ashimema to "do another shibboleth" then |
| 09:51 | magnuse | bug 12272 |
| 09:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12272 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, NEW , Refactor C4::Service API into Koha::Service class |
| 09:53 | bensinober | hear,hear! |
| 09:54 | magnuse | is there another dev meeting planned? |
| 09:55 | cait | i suggeted a day |
| 09:55 | but was hoping tcohen would set the time | |
| 09:56 | i will try to remind him? | |
| 09:56 | magnuse | * ACTION: tcohen to set the time for the next meeting, suggestion is |
| 09:56 | wednesday 4th (cait, 16:56:56) | |
| 09:56 | * ACTION: tcohen to think about another date for the meeting to not | |
| 09:56 | collide with Joubu's birthday :) (cait, 16:57:30) | |
| 09:56 | goody | |
| 09:57 | Joubu | 4th is fine for me :) |
| 09:57 | magnuse | maybe we could do a wiki page with suggestions for guidelines for the new api, and then discuss it at the next dev meeting? |
| 09:58 | and then get some work done befoe and during the hackfest? | |
| 10:01 | ashimema | sorry.. was in a call |
| 10:01 | bakc now | |
| 10:01 | sounds good to me magnuse.. | |
| 10:02 | cait.. dowing.. not sure how i typo'd there.. should have been 'doing' | |
| 10:03 | content-negotiation is already partially done.. in that you can ask for json or xml or whatever as your response.. | |
| 10:03 | things like negotiating what language the result it in is a bit more difficult.. | |
| 10:03 | also.. we're not zipping the bodies or anything clever like that yet.. but that's not a big deal.. yet | |
| 10:04 | cati.. a 'HEAD' request means give me the response of a GET request, but don't bother sending me the body (i.e main content).. bascially it's for testing that resources exist and checking that the headers are correctly set before asking for the whole page load | |
| 10:04 | can't say I've ever used it.. but certainly worth trying to sell to us at the dev meeting if you have a use for it bensinober | |
| 10:05 | * magnuse | starts work on a wiki page, to collect all the links etc |
| 10:08 | ashimema | cool.. magnuse++ |
| 10:08 | stick this down as one reference: http://www.vinaysahni.com/best[…]matic-restful-api | |
| 10:08 | it's a great little article | |
| 10:09 | other thing we need to do is ensure we have good documentation for the api.. probably accessible from an api route in koha itself.. much like ils-di | |
| 10:11 | bensinober | as ashimema says, HEAD is more a discovery design, along with OPTIONS, for requesting API information on what is supported, etc |
| 10:11 | definitely not first priority, but useful | |
| 10:12 | ashimema | ooh.. i've never used OPTIONS either.. that one is a new one on me.. |
| 10:12 | sounds like a nice idea though | |
| 10:13 | bensinober | short explanation: https://blog.safaribooksonline[…]ead-options-rest/ |
| 10:14 | magnuse | it's a start: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/New_REST_API_RFC please feel free to edit, clarify, add alternate proposals etc |
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| 10:29 | magnuse | there, i also took the liberty of creating http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_4_February_2015 and adding the REST API RFC to the agenda |
| 10:29 | not sure if the other items under can/should be removed or not, so i left them in | |
| 10:31 | rest api rfc is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/New_REST_API_RFC | |
| 10:31 | rest api rfc? | |
| 10:31 | wahanui | rumour has it rest api rfc is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/New_REST_API_RFC |
| 10:32 | ashimema | nice work magnuse |
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| 10:45 | bensinober | good work, magnuse! |
| 10:46 | are there any kohastructure.sql experts out there? | |
| 10:47 | magnuse | bensinober: ask your real question and you will see :-) |
| 10:48 | bensinober | we are experiencing issues with mysql > 5.6.21 which introduces strict mode as default, and there is a NOT NULL reference in biblioitems.marcxml |
| 10:50 | the AddBiblio module adds to this table in several steps, but mysql will fail if marcxml is null | |
| 10:51 | meaning: I'm not sure why this is NOT NULL in the first place | |
| 10:52 | magnuse | does the biblioitem get created with an empty marcxml, and then the marcxml is added later or something? |
| 10:52 | bensinober | yes |
| 10:52 | so: i've created a bug: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13523 which will include a patch to remove the NOT NULL in the scheme | |
| 10:52 | huginn | 04Bug 13523: major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , AddBiblio fails on mysql with STRICT_TRANS_TABLES |
| 10:53 | ashimema | magnuse.. I've just bulked out your wiki page a little.. |
| 10:53 | whilst it was in my head ;) | |
| 10:55 | magnuse | ashimema: excellent! |
| 10:59 | * magnuse | wanders off in search of lunch |
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| 11:37 | saa | i am trying to hide borrower unwanted fields |
| 11:37 | i am selecting altcontactfirstname | altcontactsurname | |
| 11:37 | but still these fields are visible | |
| 11:37 | hw to achieve this | |
| 11:51 | cait | try without the blanks |
| 11:53 | saa | yes managed |
| 11:53 | one more query | |
| 11:54 | when for non english characters when search is carried out it retrieves several other records | |
| 11:54 | what could be the reason | |
| 11:55 | cait | hm non-latin scrpts? |
| 11:55 | saa | yes |
| 12:05 | cait | ah sorry saa |
| 12:05 | got distracted | |
| 12:05 | saa | ok |
| 12:05 | cait | i think you want to look for 'icu indexing' |
| 12:05 | saa | hw can i check that |
| 12:05 | cait | and how to activate that for your installation |
| 12:05 | it depends a bit on how you installed koha, it requires some actions on server side if it wasn't set up with icu to begin with | |
| 12:06 | but that will make search for non-latin scripts work :) | |
| 12:06 | and there is a page on the wiki that might be helfpul | |
| 12:06 | if you look for ICU | |
| 12:06 | saa | oh ok |
| 12:06 | let me check with koha wiki | |
| 12:07 | cait | hm i need an oleonard |
| 12:18 | jcamins | Ooh, is there more than one now? |
| 12:19 | cait | jcamins: ? |
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| 12:20 | jcamins | cait: "an" oleonard. |
| 12:21 | cait | oh |
| 12:22 | well in case there are multiple, i would be happy with one | |
| 12:26 | Joubu | Does someone use debian squeeze? |
| 12:26 | if yes, you should have a look at bug 13610 | |
| 12:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13610 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , delete_patrons.pl crashes on debian squeeze |
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| 12:51 | marcelr | Joubu: is it something with perl 5.10 ? |
| 12:51 | Joubu | marcelr: I don't know |
| 12:51 | or DBI | |
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| 12:55 | Joubu | marcelr: I have just submited a very simplistic script to reproduce the problem |
| 12:55 | marcelr | i was/am curious about the underlying cause |
| 12:56 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:56 | marcelr | hello tcohen |
| 12:56 | Joubu | It's about transaction and DB connexion share by C4::Context and Koha::DB |
| 12:56 | cait | hi tcohen |
| 12:56 | Joubu | shared |
| 12:56 | marcelr | yes |
| 12:56 | tcohen | Joubu: most db_dependent tests fail on Debian 6 |
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| 12:57 | tcohen | because of that |
| 12:57 | don't they? | |
| 12:57 | Joubu | tcohen: do you know why? |
| 12:57 | Did you already investiguate? | |
| 12:57 | perl version? DBI version? DBIC version? | |
| 12:57 | tcohen | DBIC version |
| 12:58 | galen was convinced it only affected the tests | |
| 12:58 | Joubu | it also affects scripts using transaction |
| 12:58 | at least bulk_marc_import (I suppose) and delete_patrons | |
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| 13:02 | Joubu | IMO the commit should be reverted on 3.18.x |
| 13:02 | marcelr | you should probably do the same on master then |
| 13:03 | tcohen | I'm trying to find it |
| 13:03 | khall knows | |
| 13:03 | Joubu | tcohen: see bug 13610 |
| 13:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13610 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , delete_patrons.pl crashes on debian squeeze |
| 13:03 | Joubu | I explained all what I know |
| 13:03 | khall | what does I know? |
| 13:04 | Joubu | [troll] marcelr: except if we decide not to support squeeze for 3.20 anymore |
| 13:04 | marcelr | probably not :) |
| 13:05 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 13:05 | Joubu | But if we have choose DBIC and it's buggy on squeeze... It will be hard to move forward |
| 13:05 | tcohen | we shouldn't |
| 13:05 | Joubu | chosen* |
| 13:06 | tcohen: naive question again: why? | |
| 13:06 | tcohen | khall, do u remember that bug you discussed with gmcharlt about DBIc that made the tests fail for Squeeze because of the DBIc version? you proposed a patch to revert something and galen said it would have performance consecquences |
| 13:07 | khall | hmm, let me see what I can recall |
| 13:07 | I do recall that some unit tests were failing because the dbi handle and the dbic handle were separate | |
| 13:07 | I then submitted a patch to use the dbi handle for dbic, but galen wanted to go the other way around ( using the dbic handle for dbi ) | |
| 13:08 | however, galen never got around to writing a patch to do that ( and all my attempts failed ) | |
| 13:08 | thus, my patch to use dbi for dbic was pushed | |
| 13:08 | I think that's not the case we are looking at though, I think what you are talking about was at a later date | |
| 13:08 | and I do remember that updating dbic fixed it | |
| 13:09 | marcelr | so it is the dbic version on squeeze? |
| 13:09 | khall | the is very likely |
| 13:09 | s/the/that | |
| 13:09 | tcohen | yes, I asked robin to backport it |
| 13:09 | marcelr | Joubu: you should check that dbic version |
| 13:09 | khall | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12472 |
| 13:09 | tcohen | but he wouldn't find the time |
| 13:10 | huginn | 04Bug 12472: normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED INVALID, Unit Tests failing with "MySQL server has gone away" |
| 13:10 | khall | found it! ^ |
| 13:10 | tcohen | khall++ |
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| 13:12 | Joubu | $ perl koha_perl_deps.pl -u | grep DBIx |
| 13:12 | DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader 0.07000 * 0.07039 Yes | |
| 13:14 | $ pmvers DBIx::Class | |
| 13:14 | 0.08123 | |
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| 13:17 | Joubu | quick check: Kyle's patch (12472) fixes the problem |
| 13:17 | tcohen | rootkoha-jenkins-d6:~# pmvers DBIx::Class |
| 13:17 | 0.08123 | |
| 13:17 | rootkoha-jenkins-d6:~# pmvers DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader |
|
| 13:17 | 0.07000 | |
| 13:18 | Joubu | tcohen: you should have the same problem as me. You can check you the simple script I submit on bug 13610 (second one) |
| 13:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13610 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , delete_patrons.pl crashes on debian squeeze |
| 13:18 | Joubu | with* |
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| 13:57 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 13:57 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 1.5°C (2:57 PM CET on January 22, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 14:05 | cait | is everyone gone now? :) |
| 14:06 | ashimema | oleonard about? |
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| 14:06 | oleonard | Yes |
| 14:07 | ashimema | do you happen to konw of any examples of bootstrap progress bars in koha opac.. |
| 14:07 | I can't get one to work for me.. | |
| 14:07 | as in.. I can't even seem to get a static one to show :( | |
| 14:07 | following the markup in here: http://getbootstrap.com/components/#progress | |
| 14:07 | any thoughts? | |
| 14:07 | cait | hm don't knwo of one |
| 14:08 | ashimema | also.. have we hacked out the sr-only class> |
| 14:08 | oleonard | I've never used it. If you're trying to add it to the Koha OPAC and it's not working it's probably because the component isn't included in the OPAC's Bootstrap files |
| 14:08 | ashimema | ahh.. I see.. |
| 14:08 | oleonard | sr-only? |
| 14:08 | ashimema | I assume we've built our own bootstrap package then.. (I should probably know that) |
| 14:09 | sr-only (means display only for screen readers) | |
| 14:09 | works in combination with the aria-* stuff | |
| 14:09 | oleonard | ashimema: I probably haven't communicated well enough about how I went about it. I used Bootstrap's download customizer to select relevant components |
| 14:10 | ashimema | I see.. |
| 14:10 | so what would your advice be on adding components? | |
| 14:10 | cait | hi oleonard - do you have a moment? |
| 14:10 | oleonard | First... sr-only looks like it might only be in Bootstrap 3? Are you sure you're working with the correct version? |
| 14:10 | ashimema | oh yeah.. so it is. |
| 14:11 | * oleonard | would accept donations towards the Upgrade the OPAC to Bootstrap 3 project ;) |
| 14:12 | would require that someone donate hours to add to his day | |
| 14:12 | cait | code donations? chocolate? :) |
| 14:12 | oh that's difficult | |
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| 14:13 | ashimema | that's better.. |
| 14:13 | the api in bootstrap 3 changed | |
| 14:13 | it's progress-bar-* in 3, and bar-* in 2.3 | |
| 14:13 | ack.. my bad | |
| 14:17 | oleonard | ashimema: What are you wanting to use the progress bar for in the OPAC? |
| 14:18 | ashimema | i'm not strictly using it to show progress ;) |
| 14:18 | adding a jQuery based passwrod strength feedback. | |
| 14:18 | based on: https://www.danpalmer.me/proje[…]ify#documentation | |
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| 14:25 | oleonard | ashimema: I haven't looked at the code, but I wonder if it would be difficult to grab the Bootstrap requirements piecemeal instead of rebuilding the whole library |
| 14:26 | The old Bootstrap download customizer isn't even available anymore | |
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| 15:39 | ashimema | yeah.. it turns out what I need is there oleanard ;) |
| 15:39 | yeah.. it turns out what I need is there oleonard ;) | |
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| 16:06 | reiveune | bye |
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| 17:37 | oleonard | I thought there was a bug report for removing YUI js from basketgroups, but I can't find one. |
| 17:38 | Must have been one of those mental-only bug reports. | |
| 17:47 | Bug 13614 | |
| 17:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13614 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Replace usage of YUI on basket groups page |
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| 18:10 | oleonard | So many changes in the patch for Bug 12807, but no apparent interest from the author in providing follow-ups to make it work. |
| 18:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12807 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jseppal, Failed QA , Rotating Collections Enhancements |
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| 19:22 | tcohen | hi |
| 19:29 | mtj | |
| 19:29 | mtj- | |
| 19:31 | @seen rangi | |
| 19:31 | huginn | tcohen: rangi was last seen in #koha 22 hours, 2 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <rangi> bag: http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]yst-academy-2015/ |
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| 19:32 | rangi | hey tcohen |
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| 19:41 | rangi | mtj you about? |
| 19:48 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13609: Cross Site Scripting problem in authority search result list paging <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5c7e872d5e980a5e9> / Bug 13510 : Fixing the third XSS issue <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2032a19596eb7cd57> / Bug 13510 - Cross site scripting bug in opac-downloadshelf and opac-shelves <http://git.koh |
| 19:57 | rangi | release day |
| 19:57 | its always busy | |
| 20:03 | barton | magnuse: I've been playing with kohadevbox. Impressive piece of work. |
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| 20:09 | wizzyrea | magnuse++ kohadevbox is pretty great. |
| 20:11 | rangi | magnuse++ |
| 20:27 | magnuse | ooh, thanks folks! |
| 20:34 | barton: i'm just standin on the shoulders of giants | |
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| 20:41 | rangi | and released |
| 20:43 | magnuse | rangi++ |
| 20:46 | barton | magnuse: if I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders ;-) ;-) ;-) |
| 20:46 | magnuse | i'll have to figure out a workaround for bug 13431 before i can upgrade, though |
| 20:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13431 critical, P5 - low, ---, abl, Needs Signoff , Shared FastMmap file causes issues |
| 20:46 | magnuse | barton: lol |
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| 21:11 | magnuse | kia ora pianohacker! |
| 21:11 | we were talking about you earlier today | |
| 21:13 | and specifically about your plans for bug bug 12272 | |
| 21:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12272 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, NEW , Refactor C4::Service API into Koha::Service class |
| 21:13 | pianohacker | hi magnuse :) |
| 21:13 | magnuse | it resulted in a REST API RFC |
| 21:13 | rest api rfc? | |
| 21:13 | wahanui | i think rest api rfc is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/New_REST_API_RFC |
| 21:13 | pianohacker | oh, cool. When did that happen? |
| 21:13 | eythian | hi |
| 21:14 | magnuse | there is a link to the discussion at the top of that wiki page |
| 21:14 | pianohacker | excellent! Looks very good. Thanks magnuse |
| 21:14 | magnuse | eythian: you might want to look at that rfc too :-) |
| 21:14 | pianohacker: ashimema was on the brink of submitting the code you have on github on your behalf, i think | |
| 21:15 | pianohacker | perfectly fine by me. I've been putting in about 5 hours a week this semester and last, so my bugs have all been moving very slowly |
| 21:16 | magnuse | pianohacker: maybe tell ashimema it would be ok in a @later or smething? |
| 21:16 | pianohacker | magnuse: good idea |
| 21:16 | * magnuse | knows that feeling of moving slowly |
| 21:17 | magnuse | pianohacker: did you say you are coming to marseille, or am i mixing people up? |
| 21:17 | pianohacker | @later tell ashimema because I am responding to bugs at a snail's pace, I am 100 percent okay with you submitting bug 12272 on my behalf. The main thing stopping me from doing so was writing tests, I believe |
| 21:17 | huginn | pianohacker: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:18 | pianohacker | magnuse: no, unfortunately :/ my spring break doesn't line up with it as beautifully as last year |
| 21:18 | this is the last time that will be a problem, though :) | |
| 21:19 | magnuse | dang and yay :-) |
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| 21:21 | pianohacker | magnuse: exactly my feelings |
| 21:23 | eythian | magnuse: are you attempting to document that something should happen in a different way to what I did it, after I submitted mine? That's a little unfair! :) |
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| 21:23 | eythian | also, that can't handle my case exactly as written. |
| 21:30 | magnuse | eythian: yeah, my goal was to pull the rug out from underneath you ;-) |
| 21:31 | please feel free to add to the rfc as necessary - i was just trying to collect the ideas that surfaced | |
| 21:32 | eythian | I'm not sure of the consensus of using HTTP verbs in general. I thought I'd heard it was generally not desirable. |
| 21:33 | oh, apparently I'm wrong on that. | |
| 21:33 | magnuse | hm, i thought that was the rest way to do things... |
| 21:34 | eythian | yeah, I just asked in another channel, and apparently it is for rest. |
| 21:34 | magnuse | but i don't have very strong opinions on it |
| 21:34 | eythian | I do have no idea how to handle them in CGI though |
| 21:38 | magnuse | neither do i |
| 21:38 | i think ashimema might have some ideas though | |
| 21:40 | eythian | when we eventually get to the point of placking everything 100% of the time, we can also then move to other frameworks that'd make that sort of thing easier (dancer, for example.) |
| 21:40 | Which I guess is why koha-restful is fairly separate. | |
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| 21:43 | cait | hi #koha |
| 21:44 | magnuse | kia ora cait |
| 21:45 | eythian | hi cait |
| 21:50 | tcohen | hi |
| 21:50 | * cait | waves |
| 21:51 | cait | tcohen++ rangi++ Joubu++ wizzyrea++ |
| 21:51 | did i forget someone? | |
| 21:51 | most likely | |
| 21:51 | wizzyrea | wha? |
| 21:51 | wnickc | don't forget cait++ |
| 21:55 | wizzyrea | yeah, cait++ |
| 21:55 | cait | hmf |
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| 22:35 | dcook | eythian: I think you can access the HTTP verbs using the CGI module |
| 22:35 | I looked into it a while ago when there was more API talk on the listserv, but I can't recall now.. | |
| 22:36 | Mmm, maybe not that well though.. | |
| 22:38 | Huh... apparently Apache sets the environmental variable REQUEST_METHOD | |
| 22:38 | Anyway... *goes back to doing stuff* | |
| 22:39 | eythian | oh, useful |
| 22:40 | dcook | This might be useful as well: http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=609632 |
| 22:40 | Fairly old but... | |
| 22:40 | Apparently CGI isn't so great with "PUT" though | |
| 22:40 | I think I figured out the whole PUSH vs PUT debate a while ago but now I can't recall it at all | |
| 22:42 | eythian | think of PUT as the opposite of GET |
| 22:42 | whereas POST is for sending some information | |
| 22:42 | dcook | Yeah, I think that's how I've thought about it, but people have confused it out in the wild, me thinks |
| 22:42 | So that they use POST for the opposite of GET and the sending of some information | |
| 22:43 | I think that koha-restful either doesn't use PUT or uses PUT when it should use POST. I can't remember. | |
| 22:43 | I think I commented somewhere about that.. | |
| 22:50 | Oh my... the vet's phone system has troubles | |
| 22:50 | The hold music became a bit demonic | |
| 22:50 | And not in the black metal way :p | |
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