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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 03:51 | bag | hola |
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| 05:31 | * magnuse | waves |
| 05:32 | magnuse | kia ora cait! |
| 05:32 | cait | morning magnuse :) |
| 05:46 | * mtj | waves to bag, magnuse cait |
| 05:46 | cait | hi mtj :) |
| 05:47 | mtj | hey cait, i loved those kohacon fotos of you all |
| 05:47 | magnuse | hiya mtj |
| 05:47 | cait | :) |
| 05:48 | mtj | very very jealous |
| 05:48 | * magnuse | too |
| 05:48 | mtj | peeps, i was looking at this again, last nite... -> http://try.discourse.org |
| 05:49 | http://www.discourse.org/ | |
| 05:50 | i was wondering if it might be a good fit for Koha project... | |
| 05:51 | magnuse | is that like a free software version of disqus? |
| 05:51 | mtj | its free, we can run it on our own server, etc.. |
| 05:51 | magnuse | what's not to like? ;-) |
| 05:51 | oh, ruby? | |
| 05:51 | wahanui | somebody said ruby was easy to install. Any > 1.8.7 works fine |
| 05:51 | mtj | its more like a free version of stack-exchange |
| 05:52 | magnuse | oh |
| 05:52 | so it would be for koha-related discussions? | |
| 05:52 | i thought it was comments on individual catalogues... | |
| 05:53 | hm, i still can't get to the wiki. cait and mtj, can you? | |
| 05:53 | cait | not this morning |
| 05:53 | mtj | nor me |
| 05:56 | magnuse | :-( |
| 05:56 | who can give it a kick? i guess that info is... on the wiki | |
| 05:57 | mtj | heh, yeah, it is |
| 05:58 | gmcharlt, rangi have logins ^ | |
| 05:58 | its an ESI box (i think) | |
| 05:59 | magnuse | or maybe it doesn't need actual kicking, someone in the us was able to get in yesterday when i couldn't |
| 06:00 | cait | i could still reach it then too |
| 06:00 | maybe someone locked us out? :) | |
| 06:01 | magnuse | could be :-) |
| 06:02 | mtj | http://isup.me/wiki.koha-community.org |
| 06:02 | looks down | |
| 06:04 | magnuse: discourse could be an option for our failed SE attempt... | |
| 06:04 | http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]ember/037402.html | |
| 06:06 | magnuse | wow, that was 2 years ago? :-) |
| 06:06 | if someone sets it up i'll be glad to try it | |
| 06:07 | mtj | discourse is made by one of the orig. SE devs, Jeff Atwood |
| 06:07 | magnuse | nice |
| 06:08 | * mtj | just throwing the idea out there, for the logs... |
| 06:12 | mtj | discourse with docker, on a digitalocean VM |
| 06:12 | -> https://meta.discourse.org/t/b[…]sing-docker/12156 | |
| 06:17 | fyi: discourse was mentioned during those inital discussions | |
| 06:17 | http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]ember/037409.html | |
| 06:17 | ... but it only recently had a 1.x release | |
| 06:19 | anyhoo, something to ponder | |
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| 06:40 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:40 | wahanui | que tal, reiveune |
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| 06:44 | magnuse | looks like there is a problem with debian.koha-community.org too |
| 06:44 | petter | Hi koha folks! |
| 06:45 | magnuse | hei petter |
| 06:45 | i would guess eythian is involved with that | |
| 06:46 | mtj: could you get on your bike and find eythian and give him a kick? ;-) | |
| 06:56 | lds joined #koha | |
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| 06:57 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:00 | magnuse | bonjour alex_a |
| 07:00 | alex_a | hello magnuse |
| 07:01 | lds_ joined #koha | |
| 07:10 | ashimema | I'd be game for a discourse play ;) |
| 07:19 | magnuse | just need a volunteer to set it up and host it, then |
| 07:23 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 07:23 | * Oak | waves |
| 07:24 | Oak | magnuse |
| 07:25 | magnuse | Oak |
| 07:26 | Oak | :) |
| 07:26 | magnuse | :-) |
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| 07:29 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:41 | ashimema | I have a feeling my current dev is going to be a bit bold for Koha ;) |
| 07:43 | ILL (Inter Library Loans).. with a fairly chunky amount of the code based on khalls Koha::Object classes, pianohackers Koha::Service object (which no-one out there has really seen yet) and the addition of AngularJS for the client side interface. Might get some people thinking though :) | |
| 07:43 | magnuse | sounds cool! |
| 07:44 | how far along are you? i'll be working on ill in 2015 :-) | |
| 07:44 | ashimema | I've learnt allot lately working on another project (Mojo, AngularJS and Bootstrap based).. i've brought a few of them to the table with this piece. |
| 07:45 | put it this way magnuse.. I need somthing to show the boss by the end of the week.. we're on a sprint here with Colin working on British Library API integration and Alex working on the data storage and configuration side.. | |
| 07:45 | so with the three of us hacking at it.. it's going reasonably well ;) | |
| 07:46 | We also did allot of work first time around using ARTemail as the interface.. but we've basically ditched that with the British Libraries move to a reasonable decent API instead | |
| 07:47 | The real far future aim I'd like to see.. is for our dev to go a bit further and allow Koha to do both sides and act as a service provider implimenting most fo the BL api the other way around.. | |
| 07:47 | but for this sprint we're just aiming for making requests to BL.. not supplying ;) | |
| 07:49 | magnuse | cool |
| 07:49 | are you thinking about facilitating other protocols/apis? in norway we will be basing ill on ncip | |
| 07:49 | ashimema | random interface question.. with Angular you can obviously affect dom with immediate effect without requiring a page reload.. so I have an option when adding a request.. to immediately add said request to the visible requests table, then highlight it and remove it if there's a failure between the client and the server.. or the other way around.. only adding to the user interface once the 'ok' signal has made it's way back from |
| 07:49 | the server. | |
| 07:49 | wahanui | i heard the server was behind a Firewall and Reverse Proxy |
| 07:50 | ashimema | Well.. the way we've implimented it.. it should be trivial to write an api specific driver to plugin to it I think.. |
| 07:50 | that's the bit alex has been working on.. | |
| 07:50 | magnuse | very cool |
| 07:51 | ashimema | a server side user configuration to map api calls to koha classes and results. |
| 07:51 | but it's all rather BL api specific at the moment in terms of whats actually visible.. | |
| 07:51 | code wise. | |
| 07:51 | magnuse | yay. i have no time for it now, but ill will be one of my main concerns in 2015 |
| 07:52 | ashimema | but yeah.. the idea would be that using this config file.. you can effectively map in one place and then have all the data dynamically added to display using said mapping. |
| 07:52 | it's the process that may need some tinkering with.. if the process is entirely different that could lead to some interesting challenges ;) | |
| 07:53 | But then.. BL's process is pretty all encompassing.. so hopefully pretty much all others would fit within it somewhere ;) | |
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| 07:59 | magnuse | sounds promising :-) |
| 08:01 | i guess it's also a question of making koha keep track of all the right statuses etc, but if you have flexibility in mind, that can probably be worked out | |
| 08:02 | ashimema | yeah.. that's what I meant by process really.. what statuses/steps your meant to go through for your particular api |
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| 08:03 | ashimema | we're aiming for flexibility.. but obviosly it's hard to konw what there cuold be out there ;) |
| 08:03 | @wunder stevenage, uk | |
| 08:03 | huginn | ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 13.3°C (9:00 AM BST on October 21, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:03 | magnuse | @get quote 123 |
| 08:03 | huginn | magnuse: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, Lart, Quote, and ReleaseDay plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get". |
| 08:03 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 08:03 | magnuse | @quote 123 |
| 08:03 | wahanui | @quote get 123 |
| 08:03 | huginn | magnuse: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 08:03 | wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) | |
| 08:03 | wahanui | ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>... |
| 08:04 | magnuse | thanks bots |
| 08:04 | ashimema | :) |
| 08:05 | magnuse | s/library/ils|region|country/ |
| 08:05 | ashimema | indeed |
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| 08:48 | magnuse | kia ora paul_p |
| 08:48 | paul_p | hi magnuse (& others) |
| 08:49 | petter | Are there any mirrors of debian.koha-community.org? Has been down for a while |
| 08:53 | cait joined #koha | |
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| 08:59 | magnuse | petter: i don't think there are any, alas |
| 09:00 | petter | magnuse: ok, thanks! |
| 09:07 | * cait | waves |
| 09:19 | * magnuse | waves back |
| 09:19 | papa joined #koha | |
| 09:20 | magnuse | ping papa? |
| 09:21 | papa | pong |
| 09:22 | magnuse: you have 5 mins left, I was on my way out... :) | |
| 09:24 | magnuse | papa: yay! you don't happen to be able to kick http://debian.koha-community.org/ ? it's been down for a while |
| 09:24 | or unavailable, at least | |
| 09:30 | papa | umm, no I'm afraid, that's way out of my jurisdiction |
| 09:30 | magnuse | ah, no worries! eythian is the one we need, probably? |
| 09:31 | papa | ashamed to admit, but don't know. it is possible though. I'll ask him and Chris tomorrow |
| 09:32 | magnuse | excellent! now be on your way ;-) |
| 09:32 | papa | sure, have a great day :) |
| 09:38 | magnuse | guess it's getting too late to catch rangi too... |
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| 10:36 | cait | gmcharlt: ping |
| 10:46 | dexap | huh. "perl translate help" dumps the whole translate file contents on the screen |
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| 10:51 | paxed | ...and the wiki is down? |
| 10:52 | magnuse | yup |
| 10:53 | paxed: i get a nice help page when i do "perl translate help" | |
| 11:21 | ashimema | quiet in here today.. |
| 11:28 | paxed | weird. |
| 11:43 | Oak | la la lala |
| 11:43 | there you go. bit of noice. | |
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| 12:10 | tcohen | morning! |
| 12:22 | magnuse | ¡hola tcohen! |
| 12:22 | tcohen | hola magnuse |
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| 12:22 | magnuse | tcohen: can yo uget to the wiki? |
| 12:22 | tcohen | nope |
| 12:23 | magnuse | we need to gang up on the first bywaterian to wake up, then, i think? ;-) |
| 12:24 | tcohen | i wanted to post my photos and cannot login |
| 12:24 | maybe biblibre? i'm not sure who hosts it | |
| 12:24 | magnuse: about bug 12750 | |
| 12:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12750 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-create should be able to configure SRU server for the created instance |
| 12:25 | tcohen | do u think koha-sru --enable|--disable is needed? |
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| 12:28 | magnuse | tcohen: dunno. my thought was that a separate script would be more flexible - make it possible to turn the public server off and on after the instance has been created |
| 12:29 | also, i think koha-create is quite big already - the less we add to it the better (as long as it fits into a separate script, of course) | |
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| 12:35 | tcohen | adding switches cannot be avoided I think |
| 12:35 | i'll think of it | |
| 12:35 | but i've already packaged several functions into a bashlib | |
| 12:40 | edveal | Is there a Koha meeting soon? |
| 12:46 | barton | anyone else having trouble getting to http://wiki.koha-community.org/ ? |
| 12:47 | edveal | Yes. I can’t get there either. |
| 12:49 | barton | yeah. downforeveryoneojustme.com couldn't see it either. |
| 12:49 | oleonard joined #koha | |
| 12:50 | barton | morning oleonard! |
| 12:50 | oleonard | Hi |
| 12:50 | wahanui | hola, oleonard |
| 12:51 | edveal | Hello olenard and wahanui |
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| 13:05 | edveal | Is the Koha meeting starting? |
| 13:05 | khall | I thought that was tomorrow? |
| 13:05 | The next Koha General IRC meeting is 22 October, 13:00 UTC | |
| 13:05 | edveal | Ah great. Thanks khall. |
| 13:05 | khall | np! |
| 13:11 | oleonard | wiki down. |
| 13:11 | magnuse | and we can't check the wiki to see who is responsible... |
| 13:12 | is it bywater? | |
| 13:12 | * magnuse | gotta run |
| 13:13 | talljoy joined #koha | |
| 13:15 | ashimema | equinox I tihnk. |
| 13:15 | it's gmcharlts area I beleive | |
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| 13:22 | talljoy | good day #koha |
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| 13:35 | talljoy | who hosts wiki.koha-community.org? |
| 13:35 | needs kicking. not coming up for me. | |
| 13:39 | oleonard | gmcharlt? |
| 13:39 | wahanui | gmcharlt is probably an expert in all things library technology. |
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| 13:57 | tcohen | still 6:57 in seattle |
| 14:00 | oleonard | Surely one of those cats would have woken him up by now! |
| 14:03 | talljoy | lol |
| 14:03 | you would think so! | |
| 14:21 | cait | sql-- today |
| 14:21 | i need to see all borrowers of type x and see if they have a book x (full list of borrowers, null or barcode for those which have it checked out) and i fail | |
| 14:35 | talljoy | is it a darmduscher today cait? |
| 14:36 | poor sql. | |
| 14:37 | are you looking for one specific book that is checked out? or checked out in the past? | |
| 14:38 | cait | lol |
| 14:39 | talljoy: i got it now :) | |
| 14:39 | talljoy | good! |
| 14:39 | cait | using a left join (select ....) |
| 14:39 | it's for a school | |
| 14:39 | talljoy | yes sounds about right |
| 14:39 | cait | a complete list of the class and a column where they can see if they have checked out the specific book they are supposed to read yet |
| 14:39 | talljoy | gotcha! |
| 14:40 | cait | glad it's working now sql++ |
| 14:59 | * tcohen | hates side-effects |
| 15:00 | cait | tcohen: what's the side effect? |
| 15:01 | tcohen | i'm trying to write tests for the facets retrieval code |
| 15:01 | and it seems that on GRS-1, some stuff depends on side-effects to work | |
| 15:08 | gmcharlt | wiki rebooted, sorry for the downtime |
| 15:08 | looks like crawler at first glance | |
| 15:08 | cait | tcohen: not so surprised... |
| 15:09 | talljoyphone | thanks gmcharlt |
| 15:10 | cait | gmcharlt++ |
| 15:18 | druthb | gmcharlt++ |
| 15:26 | oleonard | I did not know you could use the template name in the way the patch for Bug 13112 does |
| 15:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13112 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Add name of template file in html comment for each '.tt' file. |
| 15:26 | ashimema | we've been having a mare with crawlers today. |
| 15:27 | oleonard | I wonder if there is any reason not to check template name in an include to determine what page one is on |
| 15:27 | (that is, what page the include file is being included by) | |
| 15:28 | ...as opposed to setting a variable in the script and checking that, like we do with the OPAC's usermenu.inc | |
| 15:40 | magnuse | gmcharlt++ |
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| 15:58 | oleonard | My bug fix has feature-creeped. |
| 15:58 | Feature-crept? | |
| 16:03 | * oleonard | runs into Bug 12585 again |
| 16:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12585 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, In Discussion , Tag searching broken if QueryParser is turned on |
| 16:03 | cait | sounds painful |
| 16:03 | ok, leaving for today - cya later all :) | |
| 16:03 | cait left #koha | |
| 16:14 | gaetan_B | bye |
| 16:33 | oleonard | If you want to set OPACXSLTResultsDisplay to a path (not a full URL) what is it relative to? For instance, what would the correct path be for the default MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl? |
| 16:37 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:46 | oleonard | Figured it out. Full system path, not relative to the site root or something like that. |
| 17:02 | tcohen | oleonard: did u find a way to reproduce it? |
| 17:03 | oleonard | tcohen: I don't really know how to go about finding out why it happens for me but not for you |
| 17:07 | tcohen | oleonard: but the steps to reproduce are just enabling queryparser? |
| 17:08 | oleonard | Well, I get the error if QueryParser is on. I don't get the error if QueryParser is off. But I suppose it could be a combination of QueryParser and other preferences as well. |
| 17:16 | tcohen | what bothers me, is that if QueryParser has problems loading the file, it silently falls back to no-QueryParser |
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| 17:20 | tcohen | oleonard: i'll try to reproduce |
| 17:20 | again | |
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| 17:29 | cait | oleonard++ :) |
| 17:29 | lots of new patches? :) | |
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| 18:11 | oleonard | It started with Bug 13083 and I just kept seeing more things to fix |
| 18:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13083 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Hard-coded " by " in opac-tags.pl |
| 18:15 | cait | wow |
| 18:15 | super stormy outside | |
| 18:15 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 18:15 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 16.0°C (8:00 PM CEST on October 21, 2014). Conditions: Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1006 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:17 | druthb | @wunder 77098 |
| 18:17 | huginn | druthb: The current temperature in WEST UNIVERSITY, HOUSTON, Texas is 26.2°C (1:16 PM CDT on October 21, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:18 | tcohen | @wunder cordoba, argentina |
| 18:18 | huginn | tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 35.6°C (3:05 PM ART on October 21, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:19 | oleonard | Wow tcohen, hot! |
| 18:19 | @wunder 45701 | |
| 18:19 | huginn | oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is 11.2°C (2:18 PM EDT on October 21, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:19 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 18:19 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 4.0°C (8:00 PM CEST on October 21, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.69 in 1005 hPa (Rising). |
| 18:21 | druthb | brr |
| 18:24 | tcohen | oleonard: they say it will be worse tomorrow |
| 18:24 | * tcohen | hopes that air conditioner gets installed at home soon |
| 18:24 | talljoy | tcohen that sounds like a good temp to me! like Texas weather |
| 18:25 | @wunder 76109 | |
| 18:25 | huginn | talljoy: The current temperature in Tanglewood, Fort Worth, Texas is 25.2°C (1:21 PM CDT on October 21, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:25 | talljoy | we're going down because of fall. sigh. |
| 18:25 | :-( | |
| 18:27 | tcohen | talljoy: saw you had a fernet night |
| 18:27 | was it good? | |
| 18:27 | talljoy | it was very good. just like in Cordoba |
| 18:32 | tcohen | #koha: is the wiki still in trouble? would like to add our KohaCon14 photos |
| 18:34 | magnuse | tcohen: works for me |
| 18:34 | oleonard | And me |
| 18:36 | magnuse | hah! lonely planet says northern norway is the 5th best region in the world to visit :-) |
| 18:36 | tcohen | it works, but i cannot login |
| 18:36 | i mean, edit | |
| 18:38 | magnuse | hm, same for me akshuly. when i click on "edit" nothing happens |
| 18:44 | * oleonard | has another patch to submit but is tired of writing test plans |
| 18:44 | tcohen | magnuse: http://snag.gy/hgA6Q.jpg |
| 18:50 | magnuse | tcohen: my spanish is not quite up to that level, but yeah, i can't get to edit it either |
| 18:51 | methinks we might have to summon forth gmcharlt again | |
| 18:55 | oleonard | But we just cleaned up after the last time! Fine, I'll get the candles and the goat. |
| 18:56 | tcohen | oleonard: i already got a goat |
| 18:56 | bring the knife | |
| 18:57 | cait | tcohen: maybe i prefer the thunder storms here to 35 degrees... |
| 18:57 | oleonard: lol | |
| 18:57 | tcohen | sshhh, we are in the middle of a summoning |
| 18:58 | * cait | shuts up |
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| 18:59 | jcamins | cait: now look what you did. You summoned chris_n instead of gmcharlt, and chris_n doesn't have shell access to the wiki. |
| 18:59 | * cait | goes to stand in the corner |
| 18:59 | yells - we need another timmy | |
| 18:59 | cait | um .. goat |
| 19:00 | oleonard | Good luck #koha. I'm leaving before it gets messy! |
| 19:00 | * chris_n | steps out of the woodwork |
| 19:02 | cait | hola chris_n |
| 19:02 | chris_n | heya cait |
| 19:03 | * gmcharlt | is tied up in conf call, will check in a bit |
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| 19:03 | magnuse | a conf call - is that like purgatory? |
| 19:03 | cait | heh |
| 19:04 | probably | |
| 19:04 | :) | |
| 19:05 | magnuse | from whence spirits can be summoned with candles and goats... |
| 19:06 | tcohen | maybe a dark Nick Cave background song too |
| 19:10 | talljoy | hahaha cait. love it. |
| 19:11 | cait | :) |
| 19:12 | jenkins_koha | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 19:12 | wahanui | o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
| 19:12 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_Master_U14 build #176: FIXED in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Master_U14/176/ |
| 19:14 | magnuse | confetti! |
| 19:14 | wahanui | well, confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tum[…]1qh8hleo1_400.gif |
| 19:19 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_Master_D7 build #190: STILL FAILING in 2 min 10 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/190/ |
| 19:19 | * Marc Veron: Bug 12914 - Wrong message 'Patron(..) is blocked for 2014-09-30 day(s). | |
| 19:19 | * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 12068 - label-create-pdf.pl Add support for RTL language | |
| 19:19 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10960 - Holds Queue Report display loc code not description | |
| 19:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12914 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Wrong message 'Patron(..) is blocked for 2014-09-30 day(s). |
| 19:19 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12068 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , label-create-pdf.pl Add support for RTL languages | |
| 19:19 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10960 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Holds Queue Report display loc code not description | |
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| 19:24 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10960 - Holds Queue Report display loc code not description <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2cd05cb67eee73f77> / Bug 12068 - label-create-pdf.pl Add support for RTL language <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]cee0643aa38a7ba09> / Bug 12914 - Wrong message 'Patron(..) is blocked for 2014-09-30 day(s). <http://git. |
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| 20:05 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_Master_D7 build #191: NOW UNSTABLE in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/191/ |
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| 20:17 | rangi | oh yes i did |
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| 20:20 | cait | rangi: hm? |
| 20:21 | rangi | mailing list |
| 20:21 | wahanui | mailing list is, like, at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 20:21 | pianohacker | hello |
| 20:21 | rangi | heya pianohacker |
| 20:21 | wahanui | pianohacker is a Dune fan, it seems. |
| 20:21 | mtj | thats some classic cormack |
| 20:22 | rangi | :) |
| 20:22 | talljoy | omg pianohacker is that really you? |
| 20:22 | cait | i think something got stuck in my spam filter again |
| 20:22 | pianohacker | talljoy: I return from the abyss! |
| 20:22 | * talljoy | whacks cait on the back |
| 20:22 | talljoy | did that dislodge it? |
| 20:23 | jenkins_koha | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 20:23 | wahanui | o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
| 20:23 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_Master_U12 build #194: FIXED in 59 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Master_U12/194/ |
| 20:23 | * Marc Veron: Bug 12914 - Wrong message 'Patron(..) is blocked for 2014-09-30 day(s). | |
| 20:23 | * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 12068 - label-create-pdf.pl Add support for RTL language | |
| 20:23 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10960 - Holds Queue Report display loc code not description | |
| 20:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12914 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Wrong message 'Patron(..) is blocked for 2014-09-30 day(s). |
| 20:23 | pianohacker | how are you, talljoy? recovered from vacation? |
| 20:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12068 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , label-create-pdf.pl Add support for RTL languages |
| 20:23 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10960 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Holds Queue Report display loc code not description | |
| 20:23 | pianohacker | *working vacation ;) |
| 20:24 | talljoy | bah. nonstop work. |
| 20:24 | cait | talljoy: yp found it ;) |
| 20:24 | talljoy | pianohacker: it was the flights there and back that need recovering from. |
| 20:24 | ashimema | ooh.. pianohacker is around |
| 20:25 | talljoy | duck and run pianohacker |
| 20:25 | pianohacker | *BZRRT* This has been an automated message from pianobot. If this were a real message from pianohacker, you would now be receiving sarcasm. *BEEEEEEEP* |
| 20:26 | jenkins_koha | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 20:26 | wahanui | o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
| 20:26 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB build #122: FIXED in 58 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]_U12_MariaDB/122/ |
| 20:26 | * Marc Veron: Bug 12914 - Wrong message 'Patron(..) is blocked for 2014-09-30 day(s). | |
| 20:26 | * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 12068 - label-create-pdf.pl Add support for RTL language | |
| 20:26 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10960 - Holds Queue Report display loc code not description | |
| 20:26 | ashimema | :P |
| 20:26 | pianohacker | anyway, hi ashimema |
| 20:26 | talljoy | lol |
| 20:27 | ashimema | been playing with your Services stuff ;) |
| 20:27 | talljoy | wiki still down? |
| 20:27 | ashimema | tis nice |
| 20:27 | talljoy | or down again? |
| 20:27 | pianohacker | glad to hear. |
| 20:27 | any major quibbles with the API? | |
| 20:29 | ashimema | not really.. seems to work nice (though I am hoping to get TO_JSON methods added tot he Koha::Object base classes as then it'll work muhc mroe nicely with them ;) ) |
| 20:29 | pianohacker | ooh! That'd quite nice |
| 20:29 | ashimema | I have doctored the output routine in Koha::Service a tiny bit.. |
| 20:29 | pianohacker | JSONification of anything but base types is a bit of a hack atm |
| 20:29 | ashimema: what change did you make? | |
| 20:30 | ashimema | You had JSON->new->convert_blessed->encode |
| 20:30 | I found it'd only work with | |
| 20:30 | talljoy | gmcharlt i'm guessing your cats are playing with computer cables and taking out the wiki? :-) |
| 20:30 | gmcharlt | xcache is not playing nice |
| 20:30 | ashimema | JSON->new->allow_blessed(1)->convert_blessed(1)->encode |
| 20:30 | gmcharlt | I'm now threatening to toss it into the kibble dish |
| 20:30 | ashimema | but I may well have been using it wrong.. wasn't exactly sure how you intended to use it. |
| 20:31 | talljoy | gmcharlt dooeet. |
| 20:32 | ashimema | but yeah.. I found that allowing blessed and conveting them seemed to do the trick pretty 'magically' in most cases.. |
| 20:32 | just need to add those TO_JSON methods to the 'clever' object when we need them ;) | |
| 20:32 | cait | ashimema: what about you qa the wiating holds queue patch? :P |
| 20:32 | * cait | tries that delegating thing heh |
| 20:33 | ashimema | bug number ciat ;) |
| 20:33 | cait | but it seems like many people like it |
| 20:33 | ashimema | oh.. that one.. ;) |
| 20:33 | cait | so we should just go with it |
| 20:33 | pianohacker | ashimema: That seems reasonable enough. I think my only reason for not having allow_blessed enabled was to make sure that one didn't accidentally send something sensitive or gigantic back to the user, but if that causes more problems than it solves in practice go for it |
| 20:33 | ashimema | yeah.. I should probably get on and qa it |
| 20:34 | I'de held off untll i'de really got my head around the objects.. but I think i'm there now ;) | |
| 20:34 | cait | probably omre then me |
| 20:34 | :) | |
| 20:34 | ashimema | I think I foud that convert_blessed didn't do anything unless you allowed blessed first ? |
| 20:34 | hense my confusion to start with.. but I do understand your reasoning.. | |
| 20:35 | cait | hmpf |
| 20:35 | some RM wanted this patch asap... but the test plan reads: | |
| 20:35 | ashimema | I have a love hate relationship with the Objects cait.. |
| 20:35 | cait | Test Plan: 1) Wait until Sunday |
| 20:35 | talljoy | HA |
| 20:35 | ashimema | haha.. nice test plan |
| 20:35 | talljoy | is step 2) Drink copious amounts of Beer. |
| 20:35 | ashimema | think I have the same love/hate relationship with them that khall has now.. |
| 20:36 | rangi | joubu and I did some work with the objects, they have some bugs, and i dont like them, but i dont hate them enough to block it |
| 20:36 | talljoy | 3) say, "whatever" and pass it anyways |
| 20:36 | pianohacker | ashimema: my understanding from the docs was that convert_blessed only converted objects that had an explicit TO_JSON method, whereas allow_blessed would attempt to convert everything, using a TO_JSON if it existed |
| 20:36 | rangi | the autoload for creating accessors is broken |
| 20:36 | ashimema | dbic still offers us a massive amout which koha::objects obliterate in their current standings |
| 20:36 | cait | bug 13115 btw |
| 20:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13115 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Holidays.t will fail some unit tests on Sundays |
| 20:36 | rangi | not really, they are still dbic under the hood, its not removing anything |
| 20:37 | ashimema | but with our basic hatred of using dbic properly I'm clucking at having object to allow us at least some of the niceities |
| 20:37 | rangi | its just providing a consistent interface |
| 20:37 | because not everything is in a db | |
| 20:37 | logical representation of objects should not be tied to their storage representation | |
| 20:37 | compsci 101 | |
| 20:37 | cait | :) |
| 20:38 | ashimema | indeed.. |
| 20:38 | cait | so we can mix in yaml and stuff like that? |
| 20:38 | rangi | and conf |
| 20:38 | and stuff in cache | |
| 20:38 | ashimema | agreed, i'm liking the consistency it would hopefully bring.. though of course the same consistency could be achieved with some rules.. |
| 20:38 | rangi | and stuff from external sources |
| 20:38 | ashimema | ->get_columns for example is list when you use koha::objects |
| 20:39 | and some other nice accessors dbic provides | |
| 20:39 | rangi | yep |
| 20:39 | ashimema | indeed.. |
| 20:39 | rangi | like i say, the objects have some major bugs |
| 20:39 | ashimema | my ill work does exactly that.. |
| 20:39 | rangi | but they are an ok start and can be extended |
| 20:40 | ashimema | we have a config object with the same general accessor pattern that utilises yaml as the storage medium.. and an api object that similarly has the same general accessor pattern that obviosly queries an api |
| 20:40 | rangi | personally my inclination would be just to have Koha::Borrowers etc .. which is a class accessor base and uses koha::database and koha::cache |
| 20:40 | but in the interests of moving forward, i can live with Koha::Object | |
| 20:40 | ashimema | so in our work we have db, api and congif files.. all feeling 'nice' to access in a standardised way.. |
| 20:41 | rangi | yep |
| 20:41 | ashimema | think we basically agree rangi :). not the best approach.. but at least it's moving forward |
| 20:42 | rangi | yep |
| 20:42 | so we get to the point were we have a 3 line .pl | |
| 20:42 | and the rest is in the templates, and the modules | |
| 20:42 | thats where im hoping we get to :) | |
| 20:43 | gmcharlt | wiki is happier now |
| 20:43 | ashimema | that's exactly where I'm aiming |
| 20:43 | rangi.. you should play with pianohackers Service work.. that's really nice too.. | |
| 20:43 | rangi | yep, ive been keeping an eye on it |
| 20:44 | ashimema | leads to a prett nice abstraction exactly like that.. the svc/*.pl turn into tiny little 3 liners ;) |
| 20:44 | rangi | yup :) |
| 20:44 | ashimema | pianohacker.. I'm probably gonna mostly run with that like I did with shib btw.. attributing to you.. but really pushing it through if you end up slacking ;) |
| 20:45 | I want angular in koha ;) | |
| 20:45 | and I now hav a beautiful example of it :)_ | |
| 20:45 | rangi | just make sure it passes the accessibility tests, and it'll go in fine ashimema |
| 20:45 | (we have quite a few blind librarians around the world using Koha now) | |
| 20:45 | pianohacker | translation is another concern, no? |
| 20:45 | rangi | that too |
| 20:45 | but i think they are both solvable | |
| 20:45 | pianohacker | That's one reason I've been putting off submitting it |
| 20:46 | ashimema: that's understandable, especially at the moment. | |
| 20:46 | ashimema | yeah.. I'm still getting my head around accessability and translation with angular.. |
| 20:46 | rangi | ashimema: we have a blind staff member who is our accessibility expert, helped write the nz govt guidelines, so we can get him to test stuff |
| 20:47 | ashimema | I'm pretty confident there are ways to make it nice.. but I've not delved far enough into that area yet.. |
| 20:47 | ooh.. cool | |
| 20:47 | might be asking for their help in testing when it comes to it ;) | |
| 20:47 | rangi | on the fly translation, in the browser, is probably doable now with modern computers |
| 20:48 | there is angular-gettext | |
| 20:48 | which can handle .po files | |
| 20:48 | ashimema | well in the work i'm doing so far translation should be pretty trivial.. |
| 20:48 | rangi | https://angular-gettext.rocketeer.be/ |
| 20:48 | ashimema | it's the accessability i'm far less sure about.. I've not played enough into screen readers and the like yet. |
| 20:48 | cait | i have a library i can maybe ask to test something too - if it can run on a sandbox |
| 20:48 | rangi | if we do something like this, then the translators dont have to learn a new way to translate |
| 20:49 | ashimema | ooh.. cool. |
| 20:49 | thanks for that heads up rangi :) | |
| 20:49 | pianohacker | rangi: out of curiosity, what are the major reasons to do that as opposed to something like what we did for the .pref files? |
| 20:49 | * cait | loves to see conversations like that on #koha |
| 20:49 | cait | make it happen! :) |
| 20:50 | rangi | we use po stuff for the pref files too |
| 20:50 | ashimema | :) |
| 20:51 | ngAria.. seems to be all about accessibility.. that's promising. | |
| 20:51 | pianohacker | rangi: right, but then the usual process is applied to create translated .pref files as opposed to doing the translation at runtime, correct? |
| 20:51 | rangi | yep |
| 20:51 | * pianohacker | hasn't touched that code in a few years, so apologies if he's off base |
| 20:51 | rangi | cos they are just .tt files |
| 20:51 | pianohacker | they're not still YAML? |
| 20:51 | rangi | but if we doing fancy stuff in angular, be kinda cool to just use the .po files and translate on the fly |
| 20:52 | hmm they might be actually | |
| 20:52 | either way, they are static, and depend on you creating the templates | |
| 20:53 | pianohacker | okay, just curious. Would we be splitting up .po's so the browser doesn't have to load the entire .po for a given language to translate a single page? |
| 20:53 | rangi | exactly |
| 20:53 | ashimema | I'm using similar for a yaml based config file for ILL ;) |
| 20:53 | but that mostly due to having such a config file.. | |
| 20:53 | pianohacker | okay, makes sense, thanks |
| 20:53 | rangi | in theory anyway, id have to test it to see if it was useful |
| 20:53 | that would also make for easier contextual translating too .. in theory | |
| 20:53 | ashimema | for other angular stuff I have no reason against using something at browser level |
| 20:53 | pianohacker | ooh, yeah. |
| 20:53 | rangi | next step |
| 20:53 | wahanui | i think next step is to send it to the patches mailing list |
| 20:53 | rangi | click on the word that is wrong, and submit a better translation .. in the browser :) |
| 20:54 | pianohacker | the main reason I ask is because rancor is loading about a MB of JSON for the framework, and that's a major pain point |
| 20:54 | but that sounds really cool | |
| 20:55 | ashimema | I've been wanting to hack the .po's into more managable chunks for a while.. |
| 20:55 | and yeah.. sending thme to the browser is a really good reason to do it. | |
| 20:55 | an MB of JSON for the frameworks.. | |
| 20:55 | dang! | |
| 20:55 | rangi | ashimema: talk to bgkriegel he has been doing lots of improvements |
| 20:55 | ashimema | :) |
| 20:56 | I have to have somthing to show to the boss by the end of the week.. prototyping still.. | |
| 20:56 | pianohacker | yeah, it's a very simple-minded array of hashes for every single tag/subfield, so it could be optimized. I'm going to try gzipping it and see if that helps first though |
| 20:56 | ashimema | but after that the aim is to refine the code with all these things in mind |
| 20:57 | mimify and gzip it.. thats certainly a start.. (and set a really long cache timeout) | |
| 20:57 | are you loading the whole set of frameworks in one hit.. or loading individual frameworks on the fly when needed? | |
| 20:58 | pianohacker | ashimema: individual frameworks... it only supports the default framework atm, in fact |
| 20:58 | ashimema | what's driving rancor mate.. i don't remember seeing angular in there? |
| 20:58 | damn.. 1MB for one framework.. that's huge! | |
| 20:58 | never would have guessed they were that large | |
| 20:58 | pianohacker | ashimema: no, it's jQuery and lots of manual monkeying around. Really wish I had angular |
| 20:59 | ashimema | lol.. I can see why it's taking it's time then mate ;) |
| 20:59 | pianohacker | yeah... |
| 20:59 | ashimema | angular is lovely to work with.. has it's oddities.. but the ease with which it allows you to separate concerns is uber awesome. |
| 20:59 | pianohacker | that plus school/teaching/research/club/reddit |
| 20:59 | god yes | |
| 21:00 | ashimema | you using require.js or anything.. or just loaidng the entire stack in one iht? |
| 21:00 | pianohacker | wait, is bag around? |
| 21:00 | *that plus school/teaching/research/club | |
| 21:00 | ashimema: Definitely require.js, I've separated out as much as I can into modules | |
| 21:00 | ashimema | cool, cool.. |
| 21:01 | that's the last piece of the puzzle I need to get my had around.. | |
| 21:01 | pianohacker | the UI is still one huge chunk though, as separating anything with translatable strings out is a pain with our current setup |
| 21:01 | ashimema | using require.js with angular |
| 21:01 | pianohacker | ^ would also be easier with angular |
| 21:01 | ashimema | so i've heard.. |
| 21:01 | pianohacker | yeah, I whine about that a lot |
| 21:01 | ashimema | just not tried yet.. not really played with require at all.. |
| 21:02 | only angular dependency injection.. but that works very differently really.. still loads all at once. | |
| 21:02 | pianohacker | yeah |
| 21:04 | ashimema | right.. I must go to bed.. got a long drive too early tommorrow morning.. |
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| 21:04 | ashimema | night peeps |
| 21:04 | pianohacker | night ashimema |
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| 22:03 | eythian | hi |
| 22:05 | wizzyrea | hello |
| 22:09 | cait | hola eythian |
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| 22:14 | eythian | hi there cait |
| 22:14 | cait | hi eythian |
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| 23:54 | tcohen | hi |
| 23:56 | rangi | hey tcohen |
| 23:59 | tcohen | hi |
| 23:59 | wahanui | kia ora, tcohen |
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