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| 02:57 | rangi | that was a lot of milanesa |
| 03:00 | ibeardslee | nicely full? |
| 03:03 | rangi | more than full :) |
| 03:03 | im getting used to this going out to eat at 9pm thing too | |
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| 04:12 | mtj | rangi++ amazing kohacon14 coverage on your blog, just reading now... |
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| 06:33 | marcelr | hi #koha |
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| 06:45 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:25 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:25 | wahanui | hello, gaetan_B |
| 07:47 | ashimema | random question.. |
| 07:47 | wahanui | random question.. is there anywhere in koha that uses editable datatables? |
| 07:47 | ashimema | does the dashboard keep any history? |
| 07:48 | monkey.. scroll down! :( | |
| 07:48 | * ashimema | feels stupid now |
| 07:55 | marcelr | @later tell khall "Could you please give some feedback on report 13049? What was the idea behind the temporary category?" |
| 07:55 | huginn | marcelr: The operation succeeded. |
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| 08:52 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 08:52 | wahanui | kia ora, alex_a |
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| 11:31 | marcelr | thx khall; will have a look at your comments |
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| 12:12 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:13 | marcelr | hi oleonard |
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| 12:21 | quocuy | hi everyone |
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| 12:51 | brendan_ | hola I am back |
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| 12:58 | ashimema | what are people thoughts about angular making it into koha? |
| 12:58 | for staff client at least | |
| 13:00 | oleonard | ashimema: The only way to answer that is to show how it would be useful |
| 13:01 | ashimema | well, I'm working on a number of proofs of concept at the moment. |
| 13:02 | but it's a paradigm shift.. | |
| 13:02 | angular is all about single page applications (which I feel koha is actually rather well suited to).. | |
| 13:02 | I wouldn't make the entire staff client an SPA, but rather a series of SPA's.. | |
| 13:03 | Patrons and Cataloging are two fantastic examples of where it would be awesome. | |
| 13:04 | oleonard | I think you'd have to show that such change would *not*: - make the staff client less accessible - make it less translatable - make it harder to maintain - make it slower |
| 13:04 | ashimema | at the moment when your viewing a patron record, each tab on the left is an entirely new page with associated scripts and templates.. that seems crazy to me.. |
| 13:04 | having each tab as an angular view would mean less page load, more responsiveness and tidier code. | |
| 13:05 | I'll finish this prototype and see what people think | |
| 13:05 | * oleonard | hasn't really looked at angular so he can't comment on it in itself |
| 13:06 | jcamins | ashimema: my thought is that it's way too much trouble for the benefits it would offer. |
| 13:06 | ashimema | I don't think it would affect translatability at all, it would increase speed and maintainability and i have no idea how it would affect accessability. |
| 13:06 | for 'new' stuff it would make coding a pleasure again ;) | |
| 13:07 | brendan_ | see I’d be into that ashimema |
| 13:07 | marcelr | jcamins: hi; could you have a look at my comment on bug 7419? |
| 13:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add authority deduplication script |
| 13:07 | ashimema | but yeah.. would be allot of work to convert existing stuff.. but then it would be easier to convert stuff to angular than to manually write custom ajax cruft like we are doing for a number of tables already |
| 13:07 | brendan_ | that’s true |
| 13:08 | I’ve liked the angular stuff for awhile now | |
| 13:08 | ashimema | angular is awesome.. i'm using it in another app and it's a pleasure to work with.. |
| 13:08 | quite a change of coding style though.. | |
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| 13:09 | ashimema | well i'll keep working on this proof of concept for now.. |
| 13:09 | we're adding Inter Library Loans (currently only for the british library api, but it should be adaptable to any other api's relatively easily, if any exist that is ;) ) | |
| 13:09 | jcamins | marcelr: sure! |
| 13:10 | marcelr | thx |
| 13:13 | brendan_ | nice ashimema |
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| 13:16 | quocuy | Hi eveyone |
| 13:17 | anyone is here? | |
| 13:17 | oleonard | khall around? |
| 13:17 | quocuy | Can i ask one question? |
| 13:17 | Olenard | |
| 13:18 | oleonard | quocuy: You can always ask a question. If someone knows the answer they may give it to you. |
| 13:18 | quocuy | I added a slider to Koha header. It works fine in theme PROG, but when i changed to boostrap, it does not work |
| 13:18 | demo here: http://test.dreamlib.vn and http://small.dreamlib.vn | |
| 13:21 | So how can i make this slider work in boostrap theme? Is it an issue with css? | |
| 13:24 | oleonard | Sorry quocuy I don't know |
| 13:24 | I would recommend testing with a configuration which didn't have any other JavaScript or CSS customizations so that you can confirm the error is just with the slider | |
| 13:25 | I think you may be having problems because of duplicate jQuery libraries, but I'm not sure why it works in the prog theme but not the Bootstrap theme | |
| 13:25 | quocuy | yeah |
| 13:26 | let me make some searches on google | |
| 13:26 | * jcamins | would offer the following advice to those people who want to work with developers and librarians: don't screw up your attribution statement for iconic xkcd comics. |
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| 13:32 | oleonard | You gonna name and shame jcamins? |
| 13:32 | jcamins | oleonard: IBM. |
| 13:33 | ashimema | is pianohacker likely to be around any time soon? |
| 13:33 | jcamins | In a marketing presentation, they credit the "Compiling!" comic to someone I'd never heard of. |
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| 13:34 | paul_p | hey ! finally got internet ! |
| 13:36 | brendan_ | hola paul_p |
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| 13:38 | Joubu | Hi khall ;) |
| 13:38 | khall | good day Joubu! |
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| 13:38 | khall | hey'ya tcohen! |
| 13:39 | Joubu: You should take another look at bug 13019 again. I've implemented pretty much all your suggestions | |
| 13:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13019 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add base classes on which to build Koha objects |
| 13:39 | khall | tcohen: I'd love to get your input as well |
| 13:39 | I think this is more the route you wanted to see us take. | |
| 13:40 | Joubu | khall: yep, I saw it! I cannot promise you to have a look soon, but I will try! |
| 13:41 | khall | thanks! whenever you can find the time! I know time is hard to find ; ) |
| 13:43 | jcamins | khall: I glanced at that bug report, and I couldn't quite figure out what the benefit of an overly complex inheritance hierarchy was based on the report. Do you think you could clarify why a Koha::Object class is necessary? |
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| 13:44 | quocuy | Hi cait |
| 13:44 | khall | jcamins: the idea to start with is to encapsulate dbic while retaining a standard OO model. There are many other benefits that I should really be writing down. Here's a good one: |
| 13:45 | paul_p | khall = Joubu & tcohen presenting sandboxes to argentinian librarians. Should be back in half an hour or so |
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| 13:45 | khall | 1) By having something to inherit from we can have a standard set of methods that will always work the same no matter what type of object you are working with |
| 13:47 | 2) This is a way to fix our schema over time. Think of biblio/biblioitems. Imagine the size of the patch needed to fix this in one fell swoop. We can hide our broken schema by having Koha::Biblio act as both. Once all the code uses Koha::Biblio objects, we can fix the schema and update one file | |
| 13:49 | 3) We can provide simple easy linkages. Need a patrons checkouts? Need a Biblio's items? This is easy with this model and avoids using DBIC in pl files. Everything is encapsulated nicely. We could tear out DBIC and replace it with something else and the calling code would be none the wiser | |
| 13:50 | jcamins | Right... I'm not seeing how Koha::Object provides this any more than a set of coding guidelines would? |
| 13:52 | khall | Where in the guidelines do we have anything about how to add modules or how methods should work? Instead of the need for documentation that everyone may or may not remember to check, by having something to use as a base we get that automatically. |
| 13:53 | jcamins | We don't at the moment, but we could. |
| 13:54 | khall | If perl5 had interfaces, that would be another alternative, but why should we reinvent the wheel every time we need a new class? |
| 13:55 | cait | ashimema: around? |
| 13:55 | ashimema | am now |
| 13:56 | khall | Right now our module subroutines try to do way to much all at once, this leads to bugs. I see this as a model for building much simpler, more stable, less bug prone and more easily tested code. |
| 13:56 | jcamins | What's making me dubious is the fact that you have to use an additional AUTOLOAD in order to get the functionality you want, instead of being able to just use the already-provided bits from DBIC. |
| 13:56 | cait | i am trying to finish shibboleth - care to give me a push? :) |
| 13:56 | jcamins | It seems like any functionality beyond what DBIC already offers would have to be implemented on each class anyway? |
| 13:57 | khall | jcamins: we *could* just use what DBIC has. I'm not against that, but I added the autoload specifically so we could hide the dbic stuff. We don't want to have a method returning dbic stuff. |
| 13:57 | ashimema | paul_p.. wicked that sandboxes are coming up.. |
| 13:57 | khall | with the idea that dbic in pl is verboten |
| 13:57 | ashimema | also glad to have been able to start contributing to them. |
| 13:58 | tcohen | morrrrning |
| 13:59 | hi jcamins ashimema | |
| 13:59 | missing you here | |
| 13:59 | jcamins | khall: okay, so the idea with Koha::Object is explicitly that it's reimplementing the DBIC functionality. I was thinking that I was misunderstanding something since that's what I thought it was doing. |
| 13:59 | Thanks. | |
| 13:59 | khall | jcamins: yes. The issue at had is "can we use dbic from pl scripts". I've written two proofs on concept for bug 12892, one using DBIC and one using encapsulation. |
| 13:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12892 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Holds Waiting: not showing from check out screen |
| 14:00 | paul_p | Joubu ^ (when you're back) |
| 14:00 | khall | jcamins: bug 13030 is a good example of where this useful |
| 14:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13030 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Show waiting hold expiration date for waiting holds on circulation.pl |
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| 14:06 | khall | jcamins: another huge benefit is if our code passes objects around instead of table id's we'll reduce our db access greatly |
| 14:09 | oleonard | khall: Have you ever tried applying one of our custom sort algorithms to a server-side DataTable? |
| 14:09 | ashimema | I'm working on some proof of concept code using khall objects too jcamins.. |
| 14:09 | happy to share once there's som more meat on their bones. | |
| 14:09 | * oleonard | is trying to make it work without success |
| 14:10 | khall | oleonard: I don't think I have. Any idea's on how to mesh the two? I'm thinking we need to pass the sorting algorithm to the server-side service |
| 14:10 | or have dual implementations one in perl, one in js | |
| 14:11 | or even better, move to only ajax datatables ; ) | |
| 14:12 | ashimema | I think for serverside datatables the sort will also need to be done serverside. |
| 14:12 | that's my understanding when i last looked at least. | |
| 14:12 | rangi | tcohen: are the students who found the bugs with the display of titles here? |
| 14:12 | tcohen | don't think so |
| 14:12 | khall | yep. I bet there's a way to slurp all the data via ajax and have paging/sorting all done client side, but that'd way less efficient |
| 14:12 | tcohen | need to ask the women talking |
| 14:15 | oleonard | khall and ashimema, when you say serverside sort you mean the MySQL query itself? |
| 14:15 | khall | yep |
| 14:15 | ashimema | well.. sorta.. depends how the serverside stuff works already.. |
| 14:15 | khall | or from the perl code |
| 14:15 | ashimema | what he just said.. |
| 14:16 | oleonard | That's not going to work if we want to continue to be able to use a custom array of articles to ignore when sorting by title |
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| 14:16 | khall | oleonard: we should be able to implement that in perl |
| 14:16 | ashimema | I've seen datatables where they slurp the whole datastrcuture from the database in one hit.. then sorts, paging etc are all done in memory on the datastructure in perl. |
| 14:17 | but then i've also seen serverside datatables that just convert datatables requests to the corresponding mysql query and return that.. | |
| 14:17 | khall | yep. It'd be best to do it at the db level if possible |
| 14:17 | ashimema | it works both ways.. if you have the memory, then the code way is usually faster. |
| 14:17 | at lest in my testing a while back it was. | |
| 14:18 | tcohen | rangi: did they ask you to do the haka thing for the interview? |
| 14:18 | rangi | hehe no |
| 14:18 | tcohen | heh, pity |
| 14:18 | oleonard | Well, I'm disappointed that a sorting feature which was working before is broken now :( |
| 14:19 | khall | ashimema: that's good to know |
| 14:19 | ashimema | which table oleanard |
| 14:19 | which table oleonard | |
| 14:19 | khall | checkouts table perhaps? |
| 14:19 | oleonard | circulation, moremember, and manage-marc-import |
| 14:20 | Okay manage-marc-import wasn't sorted before so not that one | |
| 14:20 | But I /want/ it to work there :) | |
| 14:20 | khall | I think we can come up with something! |
| 14:20 | ashimema | indeed.. |
| 14:20 | khall | Have you filed a bug report yet? |
| 14:21 | ashimema | I shouldn't be too hard to impliment it using sql |
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| 14:21 | oleonard | I'll file one now |
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| 14:21 | ashimema | I see a 'NOT LIKE "%stuff%"' style query coming along |
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| 14:28 | ashimema | you happy to take that on khall, or shall I once the bug is filed.. |
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| 14:28 | khall | I'd be willing, but it sounds like you may be more experienced |
| 14:28 | oleonard | Bug 13054 |
| 14:28 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13054 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Allow server-side sorting by title to ignore custom sets of articles |
| 14:28 | ashimema | I'll behappy to qa once oleonard signs it off ;) I'm envisioning it to be a fairly trivial thing ;) |
| 14:28 | ok.. i'll take a quick look. | |
| 14:29 | khall | I'd also be happy to qa for you ashimema! |
| 14:29 | ashimema | :) |
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| 14:30 | brendan_ | cait: |
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| 14:35 | ashimema | oleonard: by patron details apge you mean patron search results page righT? |
| 14:35 | oleonard | ashimema: The AJAX datatable which is used on circulation.pl and moremember.pl showing checkouts |
| 14:35 | ashimema | ah.. sorry.. |
| 14:35 | checkout.s | |
| 14:37 | rangi | id like some opinions on http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=12005#c4 |
| 14:37 | huginn | 04Bug 12005: critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Zebra searches sometimes fail silently under Plack |
| 14:39 | rangi | also http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ohacon14/Hackfest |
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| 14:47 | brendan_ | hola cait |
| 14:47 | cait | hola brendan |
| 14:48 | rangi | Joubu: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ohacon14/Hackfest |
| 14:49 | http://grooveshark.com/#!/ranginui/broadcast for the kohacon14 radio | |
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| 15:01 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:02 | gaetan_B | bye |
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| 15:04 | cait1 | finally got to it - ashimema - shib patches still apply |
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| 15:05 | ashimema | awesome! |
| 15:05 | wahanui | That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, ashimema |
| 15:06 | ashimema | oleonard.. did you already work on fixing this DataTables stuff.. |
| 15:06 | I'm really confused.. as 'everything' is handled clientside with these tables.. | |
| 15:06 | the ajax call is only there to allow delaying load/asynchronous loading of the table data itself.. | |
| 15:07 | oleonard | ashimema: I tried without success to get a custom sorting alogrithm to work with an AJAX datatable. I asked khall about it in case he knew whether or not it was possible. |
| 15:07 | ashimema | sorting, paging etc are all being left to clientside and the entire dataset is being loaded in one hit.. so surely it 'should' still work out of the box.? |
| 15:07 | I was assuming that the sorting was 'already' hitting the server.. | |
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| 15:08 | ashimema | the 'real' point of serverside Datatables is to allow for 'hard work' to be done serverside.. |
| 15:08 | we're not actaully doing that. | |
| 15:08 | oleonard | ashimema: For instance, I tried adding this to the configuration of the manage-marc-import DataTables initialization: |
| 15:08 | "aaSorting": [[1,'asc']], "aoColumnDefs": [ { "sType": "anti-the", "aTargets": [ 1 ] } ] | |
| 15:08 | * cait1 | reports login and logout are still working too |
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| 15:09 | ashimema | k.. I'll continue to play then.. |
| 15:09 | but this is less trivial than i initially thought.. | |
| 15:09 | thanks oleonard | |
| 15:09 | oleonard | ashimema: The "aaSorting" config option works--the correct column is sorted. But the |
| 15:09 | "anti-the" algorithm is not used. | |
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| 15:09 | ashimema | how very strange.. |
| 15:10 | I almost wonder if that's a bug in datatables.. | |
| 15:10 | automatically disabling such stuff when the useAjax is present. | |
| 15:13 | cait1 | actually i found a bug ashimema:P |
| 15:13 | Shibboleth Login << | |
| 15:13 | ashimema | really ? |
| 15:13 | huh | |
| 15:13 | rangi | if there is a bug, cait1 will find it, thats why we keep reelecting her :) |
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| 15:14 | pablito | hi everyone |
| 15:14 | cait1 | maybe you ljust like to keep me busy so i don't start causing trouble elsewhere |
| 15:14 | ashimema: can i just add that to the last patch? | |
| 15:14 | pablito | hi cait1 :-) |
| 15:14 | ashimema | sure.. |
| 15:15 | thanks. | |
| 15:15 | rangi | tcohen: can you have a look at the last comment on bug 12005 |
| 15:15 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12005 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Zebra searches sometimes fail silently under Plack |
| 15:15 | rangi | please |
| 15:15 | and Joubu too, id just like some opinions | |
| 15:15 | tcohen | of course :-D |
| 15:15 | cait1 | ashimema: hopefully going to pass it today, don't worry :) |
| 15:16 | * ashimema | does the happy dance |
| 15:16 | cait1 | we got the wiki page for installation insturctions, right? |
| 15:16 | ashimema | i beleive we wrote one yeah.. |
| 15:16 | cait1 | lol |
| 15:17 | pablito | can someone help me with an issue with automatic barcode generation? |
| 15:17 | I am importing records into koha and I would like Koha to auto-generate a barcode for each record. Is this possible in 3.16? | |
| 15:19 | brendan_ | hmm not during the import |
| 15:19 | pablito | brendan_, how would auto generate the barcodes after the import? |
| 15:20 | *I | |
| 15:20 | brendan_ | add an item to it and then the barcode should autogenerate the next available barcode - but then you’d have to do that for every single record you imported |
| 15:20 | rangi | thank you tcohen |
| 15:21 | cait1 | ashimema: should the tests pass on a random install without shib config? |
| 15:21 | brendan_ | pablito: I think khall may have written a plugin for that awhile ago |
| 15:21 | ashimema | erm... i believe so.. |
| 15:21 | which one is failing? | |
| 15:21 | brendan_ | but otherwise you’ll have to do that barcode work outside of koha - try marcedit |
| 15:21 | MARCedit | |
| 15:21 | wahanui | rumour has it MARCedit is a tool for editing MARC records. It can also convert spreadsheets to MARC. See http://people.oregonstate.edu/[…]it/html/index.php |
| 15:21 | cait1 | waiting for the suite to finihs, sec |
| 15:22 | ashimema | oleonard.. I just added '"sType": "anti-the"' to checkouts.js and it's working perfectly for me.. |
| 15:23 | khall | oleonard: I'm finding the marc preview in manage-marc-import.pl is broken in master, have you seen that at all? |
| 15:23 | pablito | I have done it via MarcEdit before, though it would be a great feature if Koha can do it at import |
| 15:24 | ok, thank you, brendan_ | |
| 15:25 | also, is there a way to find the latest generated barcode? | |
| 15:26 | oleonard | ashimema: Okay, I didn't try modifying that one. |
| 15:26 | pablito | I can use this latest barcode as the starting point for the following codes |
| 15:26 | oleonard | Am I correct that if you pass C4::Branch::GetBranches a branch code it will return only your logged-in branch? |
| 15:28 | ashimema | not trying to prove you wrong or anything oleonard.. I woudln't be surprised if this is an issue elsewhere that I've not spotted yet.. |
| 15:28 | I would almost put money on it in fact.. | |
| 15:28 | but I can't repeat it yet.. | |
| 15:28 | I'll take a look at the other tables.. see if I can find any issues in them.. | |
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| 15:32 | cait | i am back |
| 15:32 | ashimema: still here? | |
| 15:32 | wahanui | here is, like, where I work |
| 15:33 | brendan_ | I’m back |
| 15:33 | welcome back cait | |
| 15:33 | ashimema | yup |
| 15:35 | Joubu | Did someone plan to test bug 11998? |
| 15:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11998 major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Syspref caching issues |
| 15:35 | rangi | not me |
| 15:35 | im looking at the patch you just made for bug 10126 | |
| 15:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10126 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , C4::Reports::Guided is not Plack safe |
| 15:37 | brendan_ | Joubu: I can test that - but not until maybe after lunchtime |
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| 15:43 | ashimema | oh fun.. |
| 15:43 | how does one go about swapping from a mocked DBI to a Mocked DBIx::Class :( | |
| 15:44 | well spotted cait.. my tests do indeed fail now.. | |
| 15:44 | thuogh in fact it's a failure due to the test mocking rather than a 'real' failure. | |
| 15:44 | :( | |
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| 16:05 | ashimema | which brings me back again to why do we initiate a new Koha::Database connection for every use of dbic.. |
| 16:05 | mwah. | |
| 16:07 | I take that back.. it just made some sense again. | |
| 16:26 | oleonard | ashimema: Your change to checkouts.js works for me but I can't a similar change working in manage-marc-import.tt |
| 16:27 | ashimema | shall I take a look? |
| 16:27 | thanks for the update oleonard | |
| 16:27 | for anyone interested.. I just found a lovely module for testing dbic.. | |
| 16:27 | DBIx::Class::Fixtures. | |
| 16:30 | oleonard | ashimema: It's not urgent, but I'm certainly curious why it's not working for me. |
| 16:30 | manage-marc-import.tt line 38: { "mDataProp": "citation", "sType": "anti-the" }, | |
| 16:30 | ashimema | worth posting what you've tried to a patch on that same bug? |
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| 16:50 | khall | oleonard: I'm out of the loop but that table *does* do server side sorting |
| 16:52 | oleonard: I've got bug 10632 fixed up if you care to have a look at it | |
| 16:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10632 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Enable datatables for courses and course details in the OPAC |
| 16:52 | oleonard | Okay khall |
| 16:53 | khall: See ashimema's patch on Bug 13054 to see what I'm trying to do with manage-marc-imports.tt | |
| 16:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13054 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Allow server-side sorting by title to ignore custom sets of articles |
| 16:53 | ashimema | cool.. |
| 16:54 | I'll have a play with manage-marc-import later this evening.. unless your going to khall | |
| 16:54 | * ashimema | has to eat first though ;) |
| 16:54 | khall | oleonard: I think getting it to work for manage-marc-import will be more up ashimema's alley. It'll require doing what we thought we'd need to do for the checkouts table |
| 16:55 | I'm crushed for time atm or i'd do it | |
| 16:55 | we should be able to an anti-the sort routine in perl at the very least | |
| 16:55 | ashimema | indeed.. |
| 16:55 | k, i'll take a punt | |
| 16:56 | foooood... | |
| 16:57 | khall | heh, oleonard ping me when you sign 13054, though saying I'll qa it barely means anything for a one liner ; ) |
| 16:58 | ashimema | I was thinking I'd probably fix manage-marc-imports under the same bug khall ;) |
| 16:58 | khall | ahh, that's fine by me! |
| 16:58 | ashimema | give you somthing more concrete to qa ;) |
| 16:59 | khall | heh, thanks ; ) |
| 16:59 | oleonard | ashimema: If your fix is client-side then we should create a new bug for it, perhaps even closing 13054 as invalid |
| 17:00 | ashimema | indeed, your bug is about serverside.. just the example in the bug istelf is bad as that's a clientside one ;) |
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| 17:35 | martian523 | i was looking up a problem in my koha, and found this in the bugzilla reports "Bug 5262 - authority plugin doesn't copy indicators" |
| 17:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5262 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, januszop, RESOLVED FIXED, authority plugin doesn't copy indicators |
| 17:36 | martian523 | is there a patch for this already? |
| 17:39 | another question. my library consists or chinese titles, after upgrading to 3.14, there's a problem when doing a search with chinese characters | |
| 17:39 | oleonard | martian523: It was considered fixed in 3.10.11. |
| 17:41 | martian523 | this problem is i would have to put a space in between each chinese character in order for koha to search it as a string, this problem didn't exist before the upgrade |
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| 17:47 | khall | If there is anyone who has time to test bug 13020 this is a problem for a number of our partners. I imagine it's at least an annoyance for many others |
| 17:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13020 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Checkouts table default ordering is incorrect |
| 17:48 | wnickc | khall: I tried, I didn't see the misordering though |
| 17:50 | khall | hmm, did you follow the test plan? You didn't find that the items didn't show in reverse chronological order |
| 17:50 | ? | |
| 17:51 | nengard | kohacon hackfest folks feel free to test the new professional cataloging interface :) |
| 17:53 | wnickc | i checked in 2,1,3 and the results from top to bottom were 3 1 2 - but i didn't see a change after applying, happy to restest though |
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| 17:57 | oleonard | It works for me wnickc, I'm signing off |
| 17:58 | wnickc | okay, my bad |
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| 18:05 | ashimema | I think i'm going to bite the bullet and make my shib tests database dependant.. |
| 18:05 | as muhc as it pains me after the work I did to mock them in the first place! | |
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| 18:20 | n | Hello there, I am trying out Koha for a small scale non- circulating library. and at the moment I am just evaluating using equinox's Demo, but I have a question about how best to create a record structure for books that are (OV)er sized or (mini) format. Are item types my best bet? |
| 18:20 | wnickc | I either cannot recreate the bug or can't get the fix to work, I hate losing to the computer, but thanks oleonard |
| 18:22 | jcamins | n: I use shelving location for that usually. |
| 18:23 | n | Ok, so when patrons use OPAC and get a hit on something that is OV they just go to the location that has books of similar size? |
| 18:24 | jcamins | Right. And ideally the shelf is marked with a sign or something so they know where the shelving location is. |
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| 18:29 | martian523 | did someone skip my question about searching for chinese characters? |
| 18:29 | paul_p | jcamins around ? |
| 18:30 | I'm trying to update a GRS-1 zebra to a DOM one. I think I've changed most of the instances of *-grs-* in config files, but get the following error : | |
| 18:30 | 20:28:38-09/10 zebrasrv(1) [log] Unknown esetname 'marcxml' | |
| 18:30 | 20:28:38-09/10 zebrasrv(1) [request] Present OK - 1 1+1 | |
| 18:30 | any hint welcomed ... | |
| 18:31 | jcamins | I think that indicates an inconsistency between koha-conf.xml and another file. gmcharlt may know off the top of his head which. |
| 18:32 | Pointing to one file that still has GRS-y things and one that has DOM-y. | |
| 18:32 | gmcharlt | retrieval-info-bib-* |
| 18:34 | paul_p | gmcharlt koha-conf.xml is koha-conf.xml: <xi:include href="/home/paul/koha.dev/installs/master_unimarc/etc/zebradb/retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml" |
| 18:36 | n | Thanks jcamins! While I'm asking, are there any OPAC configurations that would better reflect a Non-Circulating Library? |
| 18:37 | gmcharlt | paul_p: and koha-conf.xml also has references to etc/zebradb/zebra-biblios-dom.cfg? |
| 18:37 | paul_p | gmcharlt checking |
| 18:38 | jcamins | n: some of my non-circulating libraries use javascript to change "Copies available for loan" to "Copies available" on the OPAC. |
| 18:41 | paul_p | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_to_dom_indexing |
| 18:41 | (and believe it or no... I wrote this page, 2 years ago ...) | |
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| 18:46 | cait | @wunder Cordoba |
| 18:46 | huginn | cait: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 18:47 | jcamins | @wunder Córdoba, Argentina |
| 18:47 | huginn | jcamins: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 18:49 | jcamins | @wunder SACO |
| 18:49 | huginn | jcamins: The current temperature in Cordoba Aerodrome, Argentina is 19.0°C (3:00 PM ART on October 09, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.76 in 1008 hPa (Falling). |
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| 18:54 | cait | paul_p: some more information might be found here http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/MRenvoize/zebra |
| 18:54 | n | sorry got disconnected. What were the thoughts on how to remove the panel with links like 'Place Hold' & 'Add to your cart' from the OPAC for a Non-Circulating Library? |
| 18:56 | oleonard | n: You might want to turn off the "opacuserlogin" preference |
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| 18:57 | cait | and the one that controls reserves for the opac |
| 18:57 | alot of that goes away if you switch preferneces off | |
| 18:57 | n | what are the steps there? is this from administration tool? |
| 18:57 | oleonard | Administration -> System preferences -> Search for "opacuserlogin" |
| 18:57 | n | thanks ill give it a shot! |
| 19:03 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7372: (follow-up) remove debug message <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]aca5fb5277b791232> / Bug 12985: All basketgroups should be listed <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8edb510463c7ec741> / Bug 12755 - MARC Preview doesn't always display in managed MARC record <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git; |
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| 19:08 | bag | back |
| 19:11 | ha I guess I owe everyone beer if it was my mac that was killing the wifi - but I’ll blame NateC | |
| 19:11 | NateC? | |
| 19:11 | wahanui | I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE |
| 19:11 | NateC | wunt me |
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| 19:18 | bag | hey rangi on bug 8133 you need to apply 11211 first (thanks for looking at that bug) |
| 19:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8133 normal, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Patch doesn't apply , hourly loans doesn't know when library closed |
| 19:18 | bag | rangi++ |
| 19:19 | rangi | ah right will do |
| 19:19 | cait1 | do we say somewhere which bug we are working on? |
| 19:19 | bag | cait1: not that I’ve seen - maybe good to write up on the white board eh? |
| 19:19 | cait1 | i have been putting mine on the wiki for now - or just leave a note on the bug? |
| 19:21 | rangi | yeah |
| 19:21 | on the wiki | |
| 19:21 | wahanui | i heard on the wiki was more information about the packages |
| 19:21 | rangi | works |
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| 19:29 | rangi | hmm |
| 19:34 | n | is there a way to configure the staff client to pair it down to only several options under a certain profile? |
| 19:35 | bag | n:yes in the manual you should see some information about user permissions |
| 19:35 | that’s where I would start - try reading that and see if that helps you out | |
| 19:35 | n | right, will do |
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| 19:47 | rangi | bag: signed of 11211 |
| 19:47 | off even | |
| 19:47 | bag | sweet :) |
| 19:49 | rangi | NateC: |
| 19:49 | hmm | |
| 19:49 | this is what i meant to paste https://soundcloud.com/high-ra[…]the-eye-feat-paul | |
| 19:49 | NateC | sup |
| 19:50 | rangi | it tests out the bass on the hotel stereo |
| 19:53 | right im gonna make a move i think | |
| 19:53 | NateC | rangi i like |
| 19:54 | rangi | i may get distracted by a bar on the way back to the hotel |
| 19:54 | n | so I created a staff patron, and logged in as them, but I don't know where to find the link that will let me exercise permissions. |
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| 19:56 | bag | n: there should be a more button on the user |
| 19:56 | rangi nice enjoy a cold one | |
| 19:56 | caser | Hi everyone. I use the Koha package on Debian, what is the easiest way for me to apply patch for bug 12892? |
| 19:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12892 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Holds Waiting: not showing from check out screen |
| 19:57 | bag | I’ve gotten some stuff down on paper about our ideas from a quick breakout session |
| 19:57 | caser with the packages - it’s harder to apply a patch. usually I think the asnwer that most will give you - is to roll your own package | |
| 19:58 | or you could maybe just hard-edit the actual code and then the next time you upgrade your package it will get overwritten (I’m not sure - that’s the best way to do it though) | |
| 19:59 | caser | yeah, we were trying to avoid hard editing. I suppose another option is waiting until it hits the Debian package, right? |
| 20:01 | bag | yes that’s another option |
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| 20:09 | n | im still stuck, my staff cannot reach catalog even with superlibrarian permission. any thoughts? |
| 20:10 | caser | If I wanted to hard edit the code, can anyone tell me where the file a/Koha/Biblio.pm is? |
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| 20:10 | caser | I have two Biblio.pm files and neither one of them are in a directory called Koha |
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| 20:23 | n | bye everybody, thanks for the help! |
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| 21:21 | cait | @later tell Joubu - my serial claim emails just arrived :) |
| 21:21 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
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| 21:25 | cait | hey magnuse:) |
| 21:27 | * magnuse | is not really here :-) |
| 21:27 | cait | ok |
| 21:28 | magnuse | cait: when you run out of serious work to do, there is always bug 11401 - just saying ;-) |
| 21:28 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11401 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Signed Off , Add support for Norwegian national library card |
| 21:32 | cait | heh |
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| 22:27 | cait | magnuse: i am trying to work a bit by age currently |
| 22:27 | so it might take a bit, but i have it on my radar :) | |
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| 22:38 | cait | t |
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| 22:43 | * cait | tries to catch up a bit, but is not lucky in saving kittens today :( |
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| 22:52 | paul_p | BobB = yep, 8:30 for dinner |
| 22:52 | * cait | wave |
| 22:52 | cait | s |
| 22:52 | paul_p | Joubu still not back... I think rangi & joubu are still drinking beer... |
| 22:53 | (fortunately, it's no more work hours, so not my responsibility :D ) | |
| 22:53 | Joubu | paul_p: we are hacking DBIC ;) |
| 22:53 | paul_p | Joubu ah, ok... |
| 22:54 | cait | paul_p: heh |
| 22:55 | paul_p: so maybe you shoudl pay him for drinking beer then ;) | |
| 22:55 | talljoy | can i get that job? |
| 22:55 | cait | hey talljoy :) |
| 22:55 | talljoy | hiya cait! |
| 22:58 | cait | do we have an idea about hwere to go? |
| 22:58 | bag | OUT |
| 22:58 | ha | |
| 22:58 | heya talljoy | |
| 22:58 | wahanui | I CRUNCH DATA or kicking butt at words with friends |
| 22:59 | talljoy | yes bag? |
| 22:59 | wahanui | I LIKE BASEBALL |
| 22:59 | talljoy | lol |
| 22:59 | bag | HA |
| 22:59 | nah just saying heya talljoy | |
| 22:59 | talljoy | heya back |
| 23:01 | cait | are we going on a short walk for dinner or do i need to get on the walking shoes again? |
| 23:01 | @wunder Cordoba, Argentina | |
| 23:01 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 18.1°C (8:00 PM ART on October 09, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising). |
| 23:07 | paul_p | cait = tomas will not join, so we're on our own, we can choose what we want ! |
| 23:08 | bag | heya paul_p |
| 23:08 | paul_p | cait even fernet con pepsi is possible tonight ! |
| 23:08 | bag | excellent |
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| 23:10 | cait | paul_p: we better not overstep some rules... :) |
| 23:11 | bag | only guidelines cait |
| 23:11 | paul_p | is it a rule or a guideline ? you're right, seems to be a rule... |
| 23:12 | cait | they looked pretty serious :) |
| 23:12 | talljoy | i think fernet with coca cola is a RULE |
| 23:12 | nunca pepsi, solo coca cola | |
| 23:13 | bag | let it be known |
| 23:13 | talljoy | i say verily |
| 23:13 | of course in texas we will drink it with Dr. Pepper | |
| 23:14 | bag | well paul_p I have some notes written up from our discussion today - hopefully I will have them in a readable format for tomorrow morning |
| 23:14 | ok time for me to get ready | |
| 23:14 | paul_p | bag +1. I was thinking of a wiki page also. |
| 23:15 | bag a wiki page summarizing all the rules and guidelines ;-) (not coding guideline, this one we have already) | |
| 23:17 | BobB | so are we meeting at 8.30 again tonight? |
| 23:17 | paul_p | time to get ready for dinner for me too... and laptop almost out of power |
| 23:17 | BobB yep | |
| 23:17 | BobB | cool thx |
| 23:17 | plug it into the wall paul_p, works for me :) | |
| 23:18 | bag | BobB++ |
| 23:18 | paul_p | worked for me too... but not very friendly for the wall outlet... |
| 23:19 | cait | heh |
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| 23:26 | talljoy | lesson learned....vpn on this network is bad juju |
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