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| 00:08 | BobB joined #koha | |
| 02:05 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 02:14 | tcohen | hi |
| 02:14 | dcook | hey tcohen |
| 02:15 | tcohen | hey dcook :-D |
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| 02:20 | tcohen | dcook: did u have time to check my facets patch? |
| 02:20 | dcook | Alas, I have not :/ |
| 02:21 | But I think I might be able to soon! | |
| 02:21 | Like later today | |
| 02:21 | What's the bug number again? | |
| 02:21 | I might actually look at that now.. | |
| 02:22 | trea | o/ |
| 02:22 | dcook | Oh wait... I just remembered something else I have to do... still! |
| 02:22 | yo trea | |
| 02:22 | trea | greetings dcook |
| 02:26 | dcook | tcohen: Actually, I do have some time atm |
| 02:26 | tcohen | there is bug 12788 |
| 02:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12788 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Refine search displays 4xx fields from authority records |
| 02:27 | dcook | Looks like it's already been signed off? Yay! |
| 02:27 | I'll take a look anyway :) | |
| 02:28 | tcohen | and on top of that, you can check bit.ly/1x3wdJT |
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| 03:09 | tcohen | beer rules mortals will |
| 03:38 | dcook | beer! |
| 03:38 | Alas, I just bought beer on Friday and now it's all gone :( | |
| 03:39 | jcamins | Too bubbly for me. |
| 03:39 | FYI | |
| 03:40 | eythian | dcook: you made an amateur mistake, you should buy by the case. |
| 03:43 | dcook | eythian: Agreed |
| 03:43 | In the past, it was a bit too heavy to get back to my house, but now I'm closer to the bottle shop :D | |
| 03:43 | Alas, when there is a case in the house, it disappears quickly between the wife and I | |
| 03:44 | jcamins | dcook: you like working out! Carrying beer cases can be your exercise! |
| 03:44 | dcook | hehe |
| 03:44 | That thought might've crossed my mind, jcamins ;) | |
| 03:45 | jcamins | Excellent. |
| 03:45 | Well, good night. | |
| 03:45 | wahanui | Don't go, jcamins. Stay a while. Stay forever. |
| 03:45 | jcamins | My work here is done. |
| 03:46 | tcohen | hey |
| 03:46 | hi jcamins | |
| 03:47 | wizzyrea | never enough beer. |
| 03:47 | tcohen | wizzyrea++ |
| 03:48 | dcook | ^ |
| 03:55 | night, jcamins | |
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| 04:41 | tcohen | night |
| 04:42 | dcook | night tcohen |
| 05:25 | eythian | crikey, I just refactored the whole biblio access class I created so I can share code for indexing authorities easier, and it seems to have worked first time. |
| 05:25 | that's always a concern. | |
| 05:29 | dcook | Hmm, maybe it was just an illusion |
| 05:29 | It was probably broken :) | |
| 05:30 | * dcook | tries to think of something else heartening to say |
| 05:30 | eythian | heh |
| 05:30 | dcook | Hope it keeps working :) |
| 05:30 | eythian | http://youtu.be/DHQRZXM-4xI <-- dcook, this might be helpful |
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| 05:39 | cait | eythian: the bugs are just well hidden? ;) |
| 05:39 | eythian | hi cait |
| 05:39 | it's possible :) | |
| 05:43 | whew, OK, tomorrow I can get authorities indexing. Then everything will asplode, I'm sure. | |
| 05:51 | cait | be back later, have a nce evening eythian and dcook |
| 05:51 | eythian | later |
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| 05:51 | dcook | eythian: hehe |
| 05:52 | Fortunately, my wife has taught me a lot | |
| 05:52 | I think we have a book somewhere around the house with a lot of words as well.. | |
| 05:52 | eythian | there's a whole series of videos, they're very funny |
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| 06:11 | ashimema | mornin' #koha |
| 06:16 | that vid is brilliant eythian.. | |
| 06:16 | petter | god morning |
| 06:16 | good | |
| 06:16 | let's keep religion out of it | |
| 06:16 | ashimema | though not especially approriate with the 5 year old daughter behind me ;) |
| 06:17 | dcook | ashimema: She'll be speaking fluent Australian in no time like the 5 years old here :p |
| 06:19 | ashimema | lol.. that's what scares me. |
| 06:19 | I know how my cousins turned out ;) | |
| 06:20 | lol.. bit of casual racism here.. it's catching :P | |
| 06:21 | * ashimema | heads down to breakfast |
| 06:25 | indradg | afternoon #koha |
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| 06:33 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:35 | petter | morn magnus! |
| 06:39 | dcook | hey everyone to whom I haven't yet said hey :) |
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| 06:39 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:40 | dcook | salut :) |
| 06:42 | magnuse | hei petter |
| 06:42 | hiya dcook and reiveune | |
| 06:42 | reiveune | hi magnuse dcook |
| 06:47 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 06:47 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on September 02, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:48 | magnuse | @wunder wellington |
| 06:48 | huginn | magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 06:48 | magnuse | @wunder wellington, nz |
| 06:48 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (6:30 PM NZST on September 02, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). |
| 06:48 | magnuse | heh |
| 06:48 | @wunder tokyo | |
| 06:48 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Tokyo, Japan is 28.0°C (3:30 PM JST on September 02, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:48 | magnuse | gah |
| 06:48 | petter | hehe, not bad actually |
| 06:49 | magnuse | at least you're not hugging a radiator? |
| 06:52 | dcook | @wunder syd |
| 06:52 | huginn | dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 14.0°C (4:30 PM EST on September 02, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:52 | dcook | petter: You're in Tokyo? |
| 06:52 | * dcook | looks outside |
| 06:53 | dcook | Surely it's nicer than 14... such weird weather this year |
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| 06:55 | petter | yes |
| 06:57 | Here too, weird weather everywhere these days it seems | |
| 06:57 | dcook | Agreed |
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| 07:05 | magnuse | *very* weird weather in Bodø this summer: hot and sunny and very little wind |
| 07:05 | hiya Viktor and indradg | |
| 07:05 | hiya matts | |
| 07:05 | matts | hi ! |
| 07:05 | indradg | hi back :) |
| 07:06 | @wunder Kolkata | |
| 07:06 | huginn | indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 26.0°C (12:20 PM IST on September 02, 2014). Conditions: Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:08 | Viktor | Hi magnuse |
| 07:09 | And good morning (change to greeting relevant for your timezone) to all! | |
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| 07:45 | cait | hi #koha |
| 07:45 | magnuse | kia ora cait |
| 07:45 | cait | hm trying to make a custom sugg status show up in 3.16.2 |
| 07:45 | does that work for someoneß | |
| 07:48 | hi magnuse | |
| 07:50 | @later tell gmcharlt - can you please consider 10519 for 3.16? | |
| 07:50 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
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| 07:53 | Hopla | Hey Koha |
| 07:54 | i have 4 files who duppplicate themselves (the cataloging source field and the title) if i delete it and reopen it comes back ... anny tips ? | |
| 07:56 | indradg | Hopla: the deleted records do not seem to be deleted? |
| 07:57 | Hopla | wel it are imported records from Z39.50 and they seem to duplicate sertain fields |
| 07:58 | if i cleabn it up they come back | |
| 07:58 | i have 2 cataloging source ... try to delete one but it returns | |
| 08:00 | i do save them but on reentering the 2nd field is back | |
| 08:00 | i had one with more dupplicates also | |
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| 09:19 | indradg | @seen eythian |
| 09:19 | huginn | indradg: eythian was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 27 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <eythian> there's a whole series of videos, they're very funny |
| 09:22 | indradg | @later tell eythian you might like to answer that http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]ember/040654.html :-) |
| 09:22 | huginn | indradg: The operation succeeded. |
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| 11:48 | jcamins | tcohen: it's all your fault that my mate is cold. |
| 11:48 | :) | |
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| 11:58 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 12:26 | tcohen | morning! |
| 12:26 | wahanui | morning is a state of the cait |
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| 12:53 | francharb | Hello all |
| 12:55 | Has someone noticed that every search box in master's pro interface fall back on the catalogue search ? | |
| 12:55 | I just updated my installation and noticed it | |
| 12:56 | cait, ^ | |
| 12:58 | oleonard | I don't have that problem francharb |
| 12:58 | francharb | hum... |
| 12:58 | I'm on master branch | |
| 12:58 | tcohen | hi francharb |
| 13:00 | francharb | oleonard, thanks I'm going to dig deaper |
| 13:00 | magnuse | francharb: were the templates updated as well? |
| 13:00 | francharb | I think so magnuse |
| 13:00 | magnuse | ah |
| 13:00 | francharb | I'm going to check |
| 13:00 | * magnuse | gotta run |
| 13:00 | francharb | I have a meeting. I'll check all this after |
| 13:01 | If I'm the only one, the problem is my side. Ouf! | |
| 13:01 | :) | |
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| 13:43 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12205: (regression tests) HoldsInNoissuesCharge controls GetMemberAccountBalance... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9c98c86ff86e478be> / Bug 12205: DBRev 3.17.00.018 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]79eee16d264ca281e> / Bug 12205 : Add a system preference allowing hold charges to block circ <http://git.koha-com |
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| 13:57 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 13:58 | tcohen | hi mtompset |
| 13:59 | mtompset | Greetings, tcohen. |
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| 14:08 | mtompset | Does anyone (read oleonard or some other expert) know how to tell which version of TinyMCE we have in Koha? |
| 14:09 | Because I'd like to submit a bug report: language="javascript" is obsolete. | |
| 14:09 | oleonard | mtompset: Besides looking at the files themselves, you can load a page like koha-news.pl and click the ? icon in the editor toolbar |
| 14:09 | Answer: 3.5.8 | |
| 14:10 | Current version is 4.1.4 | |
| 14:11 | mtompset | Okay. |
| 14:11 | Thanks for the tip, oleonard. | |
| 14:11 | oleonard++ # handy, dandy info. | |
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| 14:41 | ashimema | somthing tells me there's a dev meeting soon? |
| 14:41 | tcohen | 19 minutes |
| 14:43 | ashimema | I thought I'd manage to miss it. |
| 14:43 | it's been one of those days today.. | |
| 14:43 | how are you tcohen? | |
| 14:44 | tcohen | i'm fine ashimema |
| 14:44 | been thinking on our testing framework | |
| 14:46 | ashimema | oh? |
| 14:46 | related to the testbuilder discussion? | |
| 14:46 | tcohen | oh, i recall rangi asked that the meetings are listed in a specific wiki page |
| 14:47 | i think we are not testing side effects at all | |
| 14:47 | ashimema | the wiki in it's current form isn't especially usefull to be honest. |
| 14:48 | tcohen | and they should be run in a random order |
| 14:48 | ashimema | having said that though.. http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_2_September_2014 |
| 14:48 | there's todays meeting in wiki form. | |
| 14:48 | I agree.. it's great that we're getting better test coverage.. but I'm really not sure how good our tests actually are as yet ;) | |
| 14:49 | I would far rather see the data used for testing begin completely randomised.. so we know that feature don't jsut work for a very specific case. | |
| 14:50 | that bug I got you to run the tests for the other day was a prime example of badly written lagacy tests in my mind | |
| 14:50 | tcohen | tests should not depend on any data on the DB |
| 14:50 | jenkins should start with just kohastructure | |
| 14:50 | ashimema | I also agree.. |
| 14:51 | tcohen | that raises the barrier, thou |
| 14:51 | cait | i agree about just kohastructure |
| 14:51 | i think it also makes you realize what is needed | |
| 14:52 | tcohen | we need a methodology |
| 14:52 | :-D | |
| 14:52 | ashimema | testbuilder would help some way in lowering the barrier again.. |
| 14:52 | tcohen | understand what we need to test |
| 14:52 | ashimema | but there's a big dissagreement on it. |
| 14:52 | tcohen | and what are we test5ing |
| 14:52 | we are doing integration tests against a DB | |
| 14:53 | ideally, all DB interaction should be mocked | |
| 14:53 | ashimema | I totally agree.. |
| 14:53 | tcohen | and have proper db access layer tests |
| 14:53 | can we have that? | |
| 14:53 | not sure | |
| 14:53 | how long it will take | |
| 14:53 | ashimema | though rangi did sell me on the idea of really every test should be written to run in both modes.. with and without the db.. |
| 14:54 | else you may miss db related breakages.. for instance when the schema changes slightly | |
| 14:54 | tcohen | my feeling is that testbuilder has a good point on having both approaches considered |
| 14:54 | if we have randomized data | |
| 14:54 | ashimema | tesbuilder is a bad name for that module as it stands.. |
| 14:54 | it should be called datagenerator or somthing.. | |
| 14:55 | tcohen | we can rename it and preserve yohann's attribution |
| 14:55 | ashimema | it simply adds randomized data to the database for you.. it does not go any way towards mocking |
| 14:55 | indeed we can.. | |
| 14:55 | but there was a vocal push back on it from a number of developer.. | |
| 14:55 | I'd like to get some more of them on side ;) | |
| 14:55 | mtompset | Did we actually start the meeting already?! |
| 14:55 | ashimema | not yet.. |
| 14:55 | cait | you seemed so busy |
| 14:55 | ashimema | we're just debating mtompset ;) |
| 14:56 | cait | and it's still 5 mins |
| 14:56 | hm is there a nice way to see from a commit which version includes it in git? | |
| 14:56 | like show the last tag or something? | |
| 14:57 | mtompset | Actually, I like the notion of randomized data, but not just randomized. I want comprehensive. |
| 14:57 | ashimema | there are two reasons I stopped looking at TestBuilder tcohen.. I couldn't work out what the followup schema dbic related patch was meant to do and how it related to another bug.. and I was still working out for myself whether I agree with the principle of it overall ;) |
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| 14:57 | tcohen | i don't agree with the principle |
| 14:57 | :-D | |
| 14:58 | but i see it as a shortcut | |
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| 14:58 | tcohen | assuming we cannot have people working on duplicating everything |
| 14:58 | ashimema | I'd almost prefer a contribution to Test::DBIx::Class::Factory that added the foreign key populating stuff that's missing.. rather than us inventing a new wheel again. |
| 14:58 | tcohen | because, lets be honest, we don't spend a lot of time on writing unit tests |
| 14:59 | * tcohen | agrees |
| 14:59 | cait | hm not sure - it feels to get a lot more :) |
| 14:59 | ashimema | It's only when I started looking at this bug I found /t/lib/ to start with to be honest.. |
| 14:59 | if i'de fund that earlier my shib test would have been easier to write ;) | |
| 14:59 | tcohen | which bug? |
| 14:59 | ah | |
| 15:00 | ashimema | Bug 10298 |
| 15:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10298 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, t::lib::Mocks tries to deal with syspref but doesn not manage to |
| 15:00 | cait | meeting time? who chairs? :) |
| 15:00 | ashimema | for the stuff I'm talking about.. |
| 15:00 | the t/lib/Mocks.pm seems a nice module to have.. though it's still very small.. | |
| 15:01 | * tcohen | is interested on that ashimema |
| 15:01 | ashimema | we can discuss after//as part of the meeting ;) |
| 15:01 | tcohen | i remember being hammered for proposing unit test writing guidelines ;) |
| 15:01 | ashimema | cait.. your so good at chairing ;) |
| 15:01 | * ashimema | smiles nicely at cait |
| 15:01 | * mtompset | agrees with ashimema. :) |
| 15:01 | tcohen | cait: you're the best |
| 15:02 | cait | someone has me a link to the agenda then? |
| 15:02 | tcohen | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_2_September_2014 |
| 15:02 | * cait | demands to be paid in cookies :) |
| 15:02 | cait | and well written test plans |
| 15:02 | * ashimema | get baking |
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| 15:03 | mtompset | my $Plate4Cait = CGI::Cookie->new(); |
| 15:03 | cait | #startmeeting Koha Developer IRC meeting, 2 September 2014 - part 1 |
| 15:03 | huginn | Meeting started Tue Sep 2 15:03:04 2014 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:03 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 15:03 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Koha Developer IRC meeting, 2 September 2014 - part 1) | |
| 15:03 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'koha_developer_irc_meeting__2_september_2014___part_1' |
| 15:03 | ashimema | there are a bunch of 'extra' topic on the trello.. but I suggest we stick to the wiki agenda to start with. |
| 15:03 | cait | welcome :) |
| 15:03 | #topic Introductions | |
| 15:03 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 15:03 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Koha Developer IRC meeting, 2 September 2014 - part 1) | |
| 15:03 | cait | please introduce yourself like wahanui with #info |
| 15:03 | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany, QAM | |
| 15:03 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS-Europe, QA Team |
| 15:03 | ztajoli | #info Zeno Tajoli, CINECA (Italy) |
| 15:03 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba |
| 15:03 | mtompset | #info Mark Tompsett, Canada |
| 15:03 | ColinC | #info Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe, UK |
| 15:04 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre, France |
| 15:04 | cait | #topic RM 3.18 comments |
| 15:04 | Topic for #koha is now RM 3.18 comments (Meeting topic: Koha Developer IRC meeting, 2 September 2014 - part 1) | |
| 15:04 | druthb | #info D Ruth Bavousett, in and out, no one of any importance |
| 15:04 | cait | handing over to tcohen :) |
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| 15:05 | tcohen | hi |
| 15:05 | wahanui | bonjour, tcohen |
| 15:05 | atheia | hello |
| 15:05 | wahanui | hello, atheia |
| 15:05 | tcohen | i've started pushing new features that were sitting on the PQA queue |
| 15:05 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
| 15:05 | tcohen | notably SRU |
| 15:06 | atheia | #info Alex Sassmannshausen, PTFS Europe, UK |
| 15:06 | ashimema | tcohen++ |
| 15:06 | tcohen | i'd also like to mention that i've been working on retrieving facets from zebra |
| 15:06 | cait | tcohen++ |
| 15:06 | tcohen | which is already functional, but i'm missing unit tests for it |
| 15:06 | cait | yay! |
| 15:06 | * ashimema | has tested tcohens zebra faceting.. so far so good.. |
| 15:06 | cait | ashimema: is it speedy? |
| 15:06 | tcohen | what i've got so far is here: https://github.com/tomascohen/[…]facets_from_zebra |
| 15:07 | Joubu | (tcohen: arf, too bad, you didn't win beers :p) |
| 15:07 | tcohen | once i have unit tests for it, i'll attach to bz |
| 15:07 | ashimema | It 'feels' quicker.. but I've not yet done any proper measurements.. |
| 15:07 | tcohen | Joubu: i have time, until thursday |
| 15:07 | :-D | |
| 15:07 | cait | why thursday? |
| 15:07 | ashimema | It also feels like it's giving more relevant facets to me.. but i'm no librarian.. was going to ask a customer to take a look |
| 15:07 | * jcamins | waves. |
| 15:07 | tcohen | its a super secret bet i put |
| 15:08 | jcamins | #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services |
| 15:08 | cait | ashimema++ too |
| 15:09 | tcohen | i expect people related to Search code to step in |
| 15:09 | mtompset | I will definitely test 11232 once you post it all up and good. :) |
| 15:09 | tcohen | other thing that i'm worried about is the UTF-8 work, but we have space to discuss later |
| 15:09 | mtompset | Because it will affect how we hide things. :) |
| 15:09 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:10 | cait | hm bit late but |
| 15:10 | #info agenda http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_2_September_2014 | |
| 15:11 | #info tcohen has working code for retrieving facets from zebra, will write unit tests until Thursday | |
| 15:11 | tcohen | hi jcamins |
| 15:11 | cait | move on? |
| 15:11 | tcohen | ok, moving on |
| 15:11 | ^^^^^ that | |
| 15:11 | cait | #topic Cleanup UTF-8 |
| 15:11 | Topic for #koha is now Cleanup UTF-8 (Meeting topic: Koha Developer IRC meeting, 2 September 2014 - part 1) | |
| 15:11 | tcohen | Joubu |
| 15:12 | Joubu | hum? |
| 15:12 | cait | what's the status? :) |
| 15:12 | Joubu | I don't have something new to tell |
| 15:12 | tcohen | what is the current status? |
| 15:12 | wahanui | i guess the current status is "Failed QA" |
| 15:12 | tcohen | ok |
| 15:12 | ztajoli | I can say that Paola Rossi and I we have finish to test it |
| 15:12 | Joubu | tcohen: the status is needs signoff |
| 15:12 | cait | #info Bug 11944 Cleanup Koha UTF-8 |
| 15:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 |
| 15:13 | cait | #link bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 |
| 15:13 | ztajoli | the result is on the wiki |
| 15:13 | cait | #info wiki page: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]F8_in_development |
| 15:13 | Joubu | (still signoff by dpavlin and ztajoli) |
| 15:13 | ztajoli | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]F8_in_development |
| 15:13 | tcohen | ok, so RM comments on this |
| 15:13 | cait | ztajoli: can you sign off or are there specific problems to be solved still? |
| 15:14 | ztajoli | We do the test using biblibre specific git branch. |
| 15:14 | bag | morning |
| 15:14 | wahanui | morning is a state of cat |
| 15:15 | tcohen | the patches are working |
| 15:15 | ztajoli | We can sign-off with master for last test if is all OK |
| 15:15 | cait | ztajoli: you said finished testing - is it signed off or failed qa? :) |
| 15:15 | tcohen | involved people have extensibly tested the results |
| 15:15 | ztajoli | In my opinion is 'signed off' as result |
| 15:15 | tcohen | can we have it signed off? |
| 15:15 | ztajoli | but it a wide change |
| 15:16 | tcohen | gmcharlt: around? |
| 15:16 | Joubu | tcohen: I am not it is relevant to add the SO status on all the patches |
| 15:16 | I maitain the branch, it's up-to-date. It's easier to maintain that the patches on the bug report | |
| 15:16 | cait | ... support call :( |
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| 15:17 | Joubu | The patches should be pushed to master quickly. If we wait 1month before the 3.18 release, it will be too late and too dangerous (too late to fix bugs). |
| 15:17 | ztajoli | So, I don't know what to do now |
| 15:19 | Joubu | ztajoli: you can switch the status to signoff, don't update the patches. |
| 15:19 | tcohen | has anyone thought on how to have regression tests for this? |
| 15:19 | that is my main concern | |
| 15:19 | ashimema | I was about to ask that tcohen.. |
| 15:19 | ztajoli | But to do QA ? |
| 15:19 | Joubu | no, I don't know |
| 15:19 | tcohen | i volunteered to do something about it, but didn't manage to have the time |
| 15:19 | ashimema | do we need to introduce any further processes to qa.. or the coding guidelines to ensure we don't hit this issue again. |
| 15:20 | Joubu | ashimema: we should add use cgi -utf8 |
| 15:20 | easy to add to the qa script | |
| 15:20 | gmcharlt | OK |
| 15:20 | tcohen | I think C4::Templates should be tested somehow |
| 15:21 | gmcharlt | as far as testing is concerned ... what we need is testing via LWP::UserAgent or the equivalent |
| 15:21 | ashimema | Joubu.. that was exactly the sort of answer i was hoping for ;) |
| 15:21 | gmcharlt | that automates passing and receiving text and verifies that it comes back with appropriate coding |
| 15:22 | ColinC | If adding a use cgi -utf8 be clear on the cases where you definitely do not want to use that |
| 15:23 | tcohen | gmcharlt: that needs apache running, right? |
| 15:23 | gmcharlt | yeah, given that we have several places where binary input needs to be uploaded |
| 15:23 | tcohen: yes | |
| 15:23 | * mtompset | steps out for 1.5 hours. |
| 15:23 | gmcharlt | that could be managed either with a self-contained config |
| 15:23 | tcohen | gmcharlt: should those tests be prepared to be run on jenkins? |
| 15:24 | gmcharlt | or, for dev machines, perhaps by taking advantage of multiple-Apache-instance support on Deb/Ubuntu |
| 15:24 | tcohen: IMO, yes | |
| 15:25 | tcohen | so we need to test plain templates, templates using template plugins |
| 15:25 | pages retireving binary data | |
| 15:25 | what else? | |
| 15:25 | gmcharlt | certain function tests |
| 15:26 | - searching patrons with/without diacritics | |
| 15:26 | - search patrons with both NFC and NFD forms | |
| 15:26 | - collation in SQL query results | |
| 15:27 | Joubu | Unit tests are requested for 2 months and nobody wrote them. So I am not sure we will find someone to write them. |
| 15:27 | ashimema | silly question.. if we're doing the big db shift to utf8_unicode_ci.. should we not make the jump to utf8mb8_unicode_ci instead? |
| 15:27 | to inlcude the entire character set.. not mysql's abridged one? | |
| 15:28 | Joubu | ashimema: utf8mb8? |
| 15:29 | gmcharlt | ashimema: not a silly question; at first glance, doing that seems sensible |
| 15:29 | Joubu: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refma[…]code-utf8mb4.html | |
| 15:29 | ashimema | Joubu: https://mathiasbynens.be/notes/mysql-utf8mb4 |
| 15:29 | tcohen | do we need to test through apache our cgi scripts? can't we just use a sensible IO layer ? |
| 15:29 | ashimema | in short.. when mysql implimented utf8 first time around.. they got it worng and only included like half the character set.. |
| 15:29 | mb4 is the solution to that. | |
| 15:30 | gmcharlt | Joubu: I will write tests; I realize I have been saying that all summer, but I /do/ want to get the improvements into 3.18 and will work to make that happen |
| 15:30 | tcohen: we need full-stack testing, IMO | |
| 15:30 | tcohen | ok |
| 15:30 | * tcohen | volunteers to help gmcharlt |
| 15:30 | Joubu | gmcharlt: Are you sure we need UT before pushing the patches? |
| 15:31 | if we need UT to catch regression, we can wait for UT | |
| 15:31 | if the changes are pushed, all developers will catch errors | |
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| 15:33 | ashimema | #info gmcharlt & tcohen are going to write some tests for utf8 regressions |
| 15:34 | caits on the phone so isn't moving the meeting forward at the minute.. | |
| 15:34 | cait | sorry had a call to answer - do i have to do something? reading back as fast as I can |
| 15:34 | ashimema | is there anything to agree on regarding the above then.. or shall we move on. |
| 15:34 | tcohen | i'll resign my beers jcamins, to have some time for the utf8 unit tests |
| 15:34 | ashimema | cait your back.. |
| 15:34 | * ashimema | hans back the reighns |
| 15:35 | ztajoli | So I put the bug 11944 as 'Signed OFF' |
| 15:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 |
| 15:35 | ztajoli | QA based on biblibre branch |
| 15:35 | gmcharlt | Joubu: tcohen and I are in a sidebar conversation about timing, one moment |
| 15:36 | ashimema | :) |
| 15:36 | ztajoli | If it ok, insert in master to test |
| 15:37 | cait | #action gmcharlt will write unit tests |
| 15:37 | tcohen | we will set a deadline of 9/19 for this work |
| 15:38 | ok? | |
| 15:38 | Joubu: ? | |
| 15:38 | Joubu | tcohen: You are the RM :) |
| 15:39 | cait | 9/19? |
| 15:39 | wahanui | 0.473684210526316 |
| 15:39 | cait | september 19 |
| 15:39 | ashimema | 19/09/2014 |
| 15:39 | sounds good to me tcohen.. | |
| 15:39 | cait | the deadline is for unit tests? |
| 15:39 | ashimema | info it cait.. then they can't forget ;) |
| 15:39 | tcohen | cait: yes |
| 15:39 | cait | #info deadline for utf-8 unit tests is 19 September |
| 15:39 | ztajoli | In same time anyone do generic QA on the patch ? |
| 15:40 | cait | I don't have the time currently - probably not much time the next 2 weeks |
| 15:40 | or a bit longer | |
| 15:40 | ashimema | I'll take a look at qa on it.. to start with anyways.. |
| 15:40 | I'm quietly coersing cait to collaborate on qa for it in another window ;) | |
| 15:41 | cait | #action ashimema will start QA on it |
| 15:41 | ashimema | just me then.. |
| 15:41 | * cait | doesn't see another window |
| 15:41 | cait | :P |
| 15:41 | #action cait will try to help, but won't have much time the next 2 weeks or a bit longer | |
| 15:41 | ashimema | the misses won't like me much.. think it's gonna have to reside as an evenings job.. but certainly important one to get in. |
| 15:42 | * cait | thinks we should send the misses cookies |
| 15:42 | ashimema | shall we move on |
| 15:42 | cait | do we have something for the coding guidelines? |
| 15:42 | #topic Additions to coding guidelines | |
| 15:42 | Topic for #koha is now Additions to coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Koha Developer IRC meeting, 2 September 2014 - part 1) | |
| 15:42 | tcohen | 2 spaces for tt files :-P |
| 15:43 | * cait | hasn't seen that |
| 15:43 | cait | if noone has a proposition, can we move on to the next topic? ;) |
| 15:43 | tcohen | move on |
| 15:43 | cait | #topic Bugs |
| 15:43 | Topic for #koha is now Bugs (Meeting topic: Koha Developer IRC meeting, 2 September 2014 - part 1) | |
| 15:44 | Joubu | ashimema: problems can be on search results (facets, resort, etc.) |
| 15:44 | cait | anyone wants to talk about his/her favourite bug? :) |
| 15:44 | ashimema | Cheers Joubu.. i'll pay special attention to those |
| 15:44 | cait | you can also do so in the next topic :) |
| 15:44 | tcohen | i'd like to mention bug 12788, which solves a regression on 3.16 |
| 15:44 | Joubu | cait: certainly. |
| 15:44 | wahanui | certainly is confusing.. thanks for bringing ashimema's attention to it. |
| 15:44 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12788 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Refine search displays 4xx fields from authority records |
| 15:45 | Joubu | We should fix the issue about marc mod template |
| 15:45 | but I am asking for 10 months | |
| 15:45 | * Joubu | stops to complain |
| 15:45 | cait | #info bug 12788 SO - Refine search displays 4xx fields from authority records |
| 15:45 | tcohen | which bug is that Joubu |
| 15:45 | cait | i think marcelr started but then got stuck somewhere |
| 15:45 | what's the current status? | |
| 15:45 | wahanui | well, the current status is "Failed QA" |
| 15:46 | Joubu | cait: NQA |
| 15:46 | ashimema | cait: you wanted to promote bug 10212 |
| 15:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10212 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Columns configuration for tables |
| 15:46 | cait | heh yes |
| 15:47 | ashimema | i.e. lets get developers using the column configuration stuff more widely |
| 15:47 | Joubu | I sent patches for bugs in architecture/plumbing. The need signoff. |
| 15:47 | cait | Joubu: coudl you send me a reminder about the bug numbers? or leave a comment on the first one? |
| 15:47 | ashimema | not sure how to achieve this |
| 15:48 | Joubu | cait: 11395 and others |
| 15:48 | cait | i think letting people knwo it's there is a first step |
| 15:48 | Joubu | ashimema: I will try to integrate the columns conf for tables in the acq module on rewriting the tax stuff. |
| 15:48 | cait | Joubu: i made a note |
| 15:48 | ashimema | hmm.. maybe add reference to it on the datatables wiki page. |
| 15:49 | :) yeay Joubu | |
| 15:49 | cait | ashimema: that a good idea |
| 15:49 | ashimema | I'll do that cait. |
| 15:49 | cait | a note to the devle list maybe too? |
| 15:49 | i think it will only be useful when we start using it for other tables besides currencies :) | |
| 15:49 | acq will be great | |
| 15:50 | ashimema | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/DataTables_HowTo is the page I'm going to add to |
| 15:50 | any dbic experts care to weight in on bug 11518 | |
| 15:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11518 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add new method to Koha::Schema::Result::Item that will always return the correct itemtype |
| 15:50 | cait | #action ashimema is going to add a note about Columns configuration (bug 10212) to the wiki (http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]DataTables_HowTo) |
| 15:50 | Joubu | I need feedbacks on bug 12826 |
| 15:50 | ashimema | the last followup patches.. |
| 15:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12826 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , GST / VAT rewrite - plumbing |
| 15:51 | ashimema | the also affect bug 12603 I beleive |
| 15:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12603 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Signed Off , TestBuilder - Module to simplify the writing of tests |
| 15:52 | Joubu | Something else, I am going to wake bug 11926 up |
| 15:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11926 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , Render community koha statistic usages |
| 15:52 | cait | ok, i am getting a bit lost about teh #info s - please add one yourself for those i missed |
| 15:52 | Joubu | I would like to know if some companies/libraries is candidate for testing it |
| 15:53 | #info Feedback needed on bugs 11518, 12826 and 12603 | |
| 15:54 | ashimema | I'm keen on 11926 Joubu.. but would need to discus with some customers/colleagues first regarding data collection policies |
| 15:55 | Joubu | ashimema: It can be anonymous |
| 15:55 | ztajoli | I plan to test GST / VAT. |
| 15:55 | ashimema | Indeed.. but I still need to check that it's ok to collect such data at all.. |
| 15:56 | Joubu | ashimema: the data will be pref values, library name (or not), volumetry (patrons, records) |
| 15:56 | ztajoli | As I see the first to sign-off is 12827 |
| 15:56 | Joubu | ashimema: yes, of course :) |
| 15:56 | ashimema | :) |
| 15:57 | ztajoli | Generaly speaking we can work on 'sign-off' |
| 15:57 | ashimema | cait.. I think you also wnated to raise a question about bug 11625 adn bug 11747 |
| 15:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11625 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, In Discussion , Default to logged in library for circ rules and notices & slips |
| 15:57 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11747 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, In Discussion , Default to logged in library for Overdue notice/status triggers | |
| 15:57 | cait | ashimema: maybe better for the next meeting :) |
| 15:57 | ashimema | regarding 'default select branch' and how it should be handled? |
| 15:58 | cait | ztajoli: does paola have a nickname? |
| 15:58 | Joubu | ztajoli: Actually it's the most important bottleneck! |
| 15:58 | ztajoli | no |
| 15:58 | cait | ztajoli++, paola++ :) |
| 15:58 | yep sign offs are quite important | |
| 15:58 | please keep up the good work | |
| 15:59 | Joubu | ztajoli: Paole does a wonderful job on signoff |
| 15:59 | ashimema | serverside handling of datatables.. |
| 15:59 | ztajoli | Paole doesn't like to be present on chat |
| 15:59 | cait | ztajoli: please tell her we love her work :) |
| 15:59 | ztajoli | So I speak also for here |
| 15:59 | Joubu | (Paola, sorry) |
| 15:59 | ashimema | tcohen, Joubu.. do either of you have any thoughts on standardising where code should live? |
| 15:59 | ztajoli | No problem if you write her |
| 16:00 | tcohen | ashimema: elaborate? |
| 16:00 | Joubu | ashimema: yes please :) |
| 16:00 | ashimema | currently but 9811 puts the backend code for the datatables ajax code in one place.. and bug 11703 puts it in a completely different place.. |
| 16:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable |
| 16:00 | ashimema | it's hard to qa such a thing withough a rule to refer to in the guidelines somewhere. |
| 16:01 | C4/Utils/Datatables and /srv are the two places so far i've spotted this issue. | |
| 16:01 | Joubu | ashimema: C4::Utils::Datatables uses a script in svc |
| 16:01 | ashimema | (we have similar problems for the api for instance).. but I thought I'd try and grab the datatables one before either plce become to prevatlent. |
| 16:01 | Joubu | svc/members/search |
| 16:01 | tcohen | all business logic should be packaged and testable |
| 16:02 | endpoint/routing code should be clean and unimportant in terms of complexity | |
| 16:04 | ashimema | I think maybe save that debate for the next meeting.. |
| 16:04 | * cait | tends to agree |
| 16:04 | Joubu | ashimema: does your question only about DT ? |
| 16:04 | ashimema | There's a bunch of stuff still to discuss in the dev meeting trello board.. |
| 16:04 | in this case it was only about DT.. | |
| 16:05 | tcohen | ok, i have to leave |
| 16:05 | ashimema | but there's the more general cases out there.. |
| 16:05 | cait | i think we need to wrap up for tody |
| 16:05 | tcohen: when for the next meeting? | |
| 16:05 | tcohen | there's a lot to talk about in the pipe |
| 16:05 | next week | |
| 16:05 | wahanui | hmmm... next week is project week |
| 16:05 | cait | forget next week |
| 16:05 | wahanui | cait: I forgot next week |
| 16:05 | ashimema | same time next week ;) |
| 16:05 | tcohen | the next otherwise |
| 16:05 | cait | ok... same day? |
| 16:05 | * tcohen | agrees |
| 16:05 | tcohen | same day/time |
| 16:06 | cait | #topic Agree on time for next meeting |
| 16:06 | Topic for #koha is now Agree on time for next meeting (Meeting topic: Koha Developer IRC meeting, 2 September 2014 - part 1) | |
| 16:06 | cait | that would be september 9th, 15 + 22 |
| 16:06 | UTC | |
| 16:06 | Joubu | +1 |
| 16:06 | ztajoli | +1 |
| 16:07 | cait | #agreed Next meeting will be (given agreement from second meeting today) - September 9th, 15 + 22 UTC |
| 16:07 | #endmeeting | |
| 16:07 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.16.3 is available! Next general meeting is 13 and 14 August 2014 at 22:00 and 15:00 UTC. Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org. Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes. | |
| 16:07 | huginn | Meeting ended Tue Sep 2 16:07:05 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 16:07 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-09-02-15.03.html | |
| 16:07 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]4-09-02-15.03.txt | |
| 16:07 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]02-15.03.log.html | |
| 16:07 | ColinC | +1 |
| 16:07 | cait | sorry again for getting distracted by the phone call - and thx ashimema++ for helping out |
| 16:08 | Joubu | Did someone have a look at bug 12830? I introduce a new module for order: Koha::Acquisition::Order. Does it make sense for everyone? |
| 16:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12830 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move the order-related code into its own module |
| 16:09 | Joubu | cait: How can I "freeze" the vat spec? I don't know if everybody had a look... :-/ |
| 16:09 | ztajoli | I have check VAT spec and for us is OK |
| 16:10 | on bug 12830, I have the same opinon of Colin: Good stuff breaking down C4::acquisition into more manageable parts | |
| 16:11 | cait | sorry Joubu, need to leave |
| 16:11 | maybe ashimema can help with the wiki | |
| 16:11 | colin suggested a different way to handle the fields, maybe add a comment on that? | |
| 16:11 | i need to run, bbl | |
| 16:13 | cait left #koha | |
| 16:13 | ashimema | I'm not sure we have the plugins in our mediaiwki to lock a page.. |
| 16:14 | ztajoli | Bye to all |
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| 16:16 | Joubu | Have to go too, see you tomorrow |
| 16:21 | bug 12669 needs additional POV too | |
| 16:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12669 major, P5 - low, ---, rolando.isidoro, Signed Off , "Template process failed: undef error - Invalid local time for date in time zone" |
| 16:21 | Joubu | qa pov |
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| 16:57 | bag | http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]library-donation/ |
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| 16:57 | * bag | just posting cause I think it's pretty cool and important project |
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| 17:03 | * cait | waves |
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| 18:28 | wnickc | is there any way to tell a patron-opac renewal apart from a staff-desk renewal? |
| 18:29 | cait | hm yes |
| 18:29 | but it depends a bit on how your koha is configured | |
| 18:29 | sec | |
| 18:30 | oleonard | Are you thinking of the OpacRenewalBranch system preference cait? |
| 18:30 | cait | yes :) |
| 18:30 | thx oleonard | |
| 18:31 | oleonard | wnickc: It records "OPACRenew" instead of a branch code in statistics |
| 18:31 | wnickc | ah, but we have it set to 'library the item was checked out from' |
| 18:32 | not a big deal just had to check | |
| 18:32 | thanks cait and oleonard | |
| 18:46 | jcamins | @wunder 11375 |
| 18:46 | huginn | jcamins: The current temperature in Meadow Lake, New York, New York is 33.4°C (1:50 PM EDT on September 02, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:09 | tcohen | bye #koha |
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| 19:44 | rangi | morning |
| 19:46 | cait | morning rangi |
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| 20:39 | mtompset | Greetings, rangi cait. :) |
| 20:40 | -- jcamins too. :) | |
| 20:40 | I should scroll back and see what I missed. | |
| 20:41 | cait | hi mtompset |
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| 20:56 | tcohen | hi kiwis |
| 21:00 | rangi | hi tcohen |
| 21:02 | tcohen | hi rangi |
| 21:08 | bag | heya tcohen |
| 21:08 | tcohen | hi bag |
| 21:08 | bag | rangi: http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]library-donation/ |
| 21:09 | rangi | cool :) |
| 21:11 | hmm we need to do something about the ajax circ stuff being slow :( | |
| 21:12 | cait | yeah - also some outstanding bugs |
| 21:14 | bag | hmm yeah that's a bummer - all it does is speed up the circ time if the person hads loads of accountlines, of circs, or holds |
| 21:14 | rangi | yeah and slows it down in most other cases :( |
| 21:15 | bag | yes circ is slow |
| 21:15 | ajax datatables will not help that | |
| 21:15 | we need pianohacker to submit his work :D | |
| 21:15 | go pianohacker go :) | |
| 21:16 | rangi | if we could get the base case as fast as before, then it would be an overall improvement, same as before for normal circ, faster for big borrowers |
| 21:16 | and then the fully faster one for 3.18 or 3.20 depending on when it gets submitted (ie we still need to fix it for 3.16) | |
| 21:16 | cait | i am not sure it was a good decision to put it in a maint release |
| 21:16 | it worried me quite a bit | |
| 21:17 | worries | |
| 21:17 | bag | rangi: hopefully for 3.18 we are able to load it all on plack |
| 21:17 | rangi | im sure it can be fixed, and yes that will help a lot |
| 21:17 | someone needs to test the patches submitted and sign off tho (cant be catalyst) | |
| 21:17 | bag | yeah the thing is that you should still be able to circ - even if the table hasn't loaded? |
| 21:17 | rangi | yeah, we should be able to make that happen |
| 21:18 | bag | are you not able to do that? in my testing of the ajax datatables - I could do things and checkout etc - just had to wait for the tables to catch up |
| 21:18 | cait | i think if everytime you have a dialog coming up |
| 21:18 | no | |
| 21:18 | rangi | probably IE is stupid about it too |
| 21:19 | its stupid about most things | |
| 21:19 | cait | that's part of the problem, it still reloads the whole page for a lot of things |
| 21:19 | because not everything is loaded by ajax, jsut the checkouts table, not error messages, warnings etc | |
| 21:19 | bag | right it still loads the tables - it's only a part 1 of a part MANY :P |
| 21:19 | heh | |
| 21:20 | so it only speeds up some parts - but there are still many parts that still need more | |
| 21:21 | rangi | i think the problem is people are reporting slowdowns .. so we need to address that for 3.16.x |
| 21:21 | * cait | agrees |
| 21:21 | rangi | the not speeding everything up is fine, but the slowing things down, on somethign already slow .. something we need to deal with |
| 21:21 | bag | agreed |
| 21:21 | cait | there are comments on the blog |
| 21:21 | rangi | we need to get that person |
| 21:22 | cait | http://koha-community.org/koha-3-16-3-released/ |
| 21:22 | rangi | to actually submit a bug, with the steps how to replicate |
| 21:22 | cait | and 3.16.3 is not very old yet |
| 21:22 | rangi | cos comments on a blog are pretty much useless |
| 21:22 | and i think we should disable comments | |
| 21:22 | cait | agreed, just saying people notice and i also noticed similar in testing |
| 21:23 | rangi | what we need is a repeatable test case |
| 21:23 | then it can be fixed | |
| 21:23 | bag | :) |
| 21:23 | are you seeing reports in other places? | |
| 21:23 | rangi | its only been released 6 days, id expect to see more over the next few weeks |
| 21:24 | bag | oh cool - testing patches for 3.16.3 * 9 Christopher Brannon |
| 21:24 | That's rad!!! | |
| 21:24 | Go christopher :) | |
| 21:25 | cool yeah rangi and cait as you see them - ping me or kyle - we'll jump on that :) | |
| 21:25 | rangi | bag: do you know who looks after the koha-na.org wiki? |
| 21:25 | cait | i think it#s really hard to report |
| 21:25 | i saw it too | |
| 21:25 | i wrote it in my ocmments when testing the dev | |
| 21:26 | but how do you describe: it feels slow | |
| 21:26 | rangi | there are tools to time in a browser |
| 21:26 | like firebug | |
| 21:26 | cait | so you'd do a comparison with and without? |
| 21:26 | rangi | yeah |
| 21:26 | http://koha-na.org/index.php?t[…]ges&days=30&from= | |
| 21:26 | its filling up with spam but i dunno who to contact | |
| 21:27 | bag | rangi: I think that's nekls that is hosting that site |
| 21:27 | rangi | maybe heather then |
| 21:27 | bag | I would guess heather or ryan |
| 21:27 | ryan snipes iirc | |
| 21:28 | pianohacker | working on it bag :) |
| 21:28 | bag | AH there he is |
| 21:28 | pianohacker: ajax circ please :P | |
| 21:28 | :D | |
| 21:28 | cait | bag: there is also a known bug about it not showing overdues in red in firefox |
| 21:29 | bag | @later tell khall bag: there is also a known bug about it not showing overdues in red in firefox |
| 21:29 | huginn | bag: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:29 | cait | but that's the only one i am aware of right now - i think i also added one for showing lost in checkouts - but not sure it did that before, so that might be an enh |
| 21:29 | bag | @later tell khall bag: there is also a known bug about it not showing overdues in red in firefox - that's for ajax datatables |
| 21:29 | wahanui | okay, bag. |
| 21:29 | huginn | bag: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:29 | cait | khall knows - he was the one who found it worked in chromium but not in firefox |
| 21:29 | something mystic about date objects | |
| 21:30 | he lost me there | |
| 21:30 | bag | :) |
| 21:30 | that is kyle :) | |
| 21:30 | get him a butter knife | |
| 21:30 | cait | lol |
| 21:30 | bag | one of my favorite things to do - is to make cait laugh :D |
| 21:30 | cait++ | |
| 21:32 | cait | heh i need that |
| 21:32 | i failed to solve one of my asignments :( | |
| 21:32 | for the distance study course | |
| 21:32 | giving up on it for tonight | |
| 21:32 | good night all | |
| 21:33 | don't forget the meeting in half an hour ;) | |
| 21:33 | cait left #koha | |
| 21:33 | bag | oh man too slow |
| 21:33 | good night cait | |
| 21:33 | cait++ | |
| 21:37 | tcohen | xsl that generates xsl out of xml, is... just... |
| 21:37 | *creepy? | |
| 22:02 | rangi | hmm meeting time? |
| 22:02 | wahanui | i guess meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe |
| 22:04 | tcohen | yes |
| 22:05 | sorry, i was busy | |
| 22:05 | shall we? | |
| 22:05 | rangi | yep |
| 22:05 | tcohen | #startmeeting Koha Developer IRC meeting, 2 September 2014 - part 2 |
| 22:05 | huginn | Meeting started Tue Sep 2 22:05:51 2014 UTC. The chair is tcohen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 22:05 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 22:05 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Koha Developer IRC meeting, 2 September 2014 - part 2) | |
| 22:05 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'koha_developer_irc_meeting__2_september_2014___part_2' |
| 22:06 | rangi | #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT |
| 22:06 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba |
| 22:07 | #info agenda is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_2_September_2014 | |
| 22:07 | #topic RM 3.18 comments | |
| 22:07 | Topic for #koha is now RM 3.18 comments (Meeting topic: Koha Developer IRC meeting, 2 September 2014 - part 2) | |
| 22:08 | rangi | kinda on topic |
| 22:08 | tcohen | As I said earlier, i've started pushing new features that are already on PQA queue |
| 22:08 | heh | |
| 22:08 | yeah | |
| 22:08 | rangi | there are still 2 patches that need sign off |
| 22:08 | 12655 12657 | |
| 22:08 | for the prog/ccsr deprecation | |
| 22:08 | the rest are pushed on the MM_OPAC/theme_dep | |
| 22:09 | tcohen | i'll put them on my todo list for tomorrow, thanks rangi |
| 22:10 | ok, I also mentioned that i was working to win a bet | |
| 22:10 | rangi | i think after those two and a couple more days testing we should be ready to merge that |
| 22:10 | cool | |
| 22:10 | tcohen | i mean, making facets get retrieved from zebra |
| 22:10 | rangi | excellent |
| 22:10 | tcohen | it is already functional |
| 22:10 | code can be checked here https://github.com/tomascohen/[…]facets_from_zebra | |
| 22:11 | i'm working on having unit tests for it | |
| 22:11 | not that difficult, just need time to sit and do it | |
| 22:11 | rangi | sweet |
| 22:11 | tcohen | and there's a regression regarding IncludeSeeFromInSearches |
| 22:12 | that has me writing awful stuff (i.e. xsl) | |
| 22:12 | ok, that's it, moving on | |
| 22:12 | #topic Cleanup Koha UTF-8 | |
| 22:12 | Topic for #koha is now Cleanup Koha UTF-8 (Meeting topic: Koha Developer IRC meeting, 2 September 2014 - part 2) | |
| 22:13 | tcohen | Joubu, dpavlin and zeno have been working on doing things right regarding encoding handling |
| 22:13 | rangi | cool |
| 22:13 | tcohen | they made CGI use -utf8, the templates to be set to UTF8, etc |
| 22:13 | rangi | yep |
| 22:14 | tcohen | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]F8_in_development |
| 22:14 | they've set a wiki with what they've reached so far | |
| 22:14 | and it is complete now | |
| 22:14 | rangi | excellent |
| 22:14 | what id do | |
| 22:14 | and this might be a dumb idea | |
| 22:14 | tcohen | the only missing piece is having a good framework for catching regressions |
| 22:15 | rangi | is branch master, push the utf8 stuff to master .. push the other branch up |
| 22:15 | and apply patches to both branches from now on | |
| 22:16 | then if we get close to the release and realise the utf8 stuff cant go in .. you dont have to try to revert it all out, you just replace master with the other branch | |
| 22:16 | because unfortunately | |
| 22:16 | i dont believe developers will catch all the problems | |
| 22:17 | so i would be too scared to push it to master without a way to get it back out .. if that makes sense? | |
| 22:17 | tcohen | it makes sense, i'd let us go back |
| 22:17 | on part 1, we have set a deadline to have regression tests | |
| 22:17 | rangi | excellent |
| 22:18 | tcohen | gmcharlt proposed an approach and I volunteered to help him |
| 22:18 | rangi | sweet |
| 22:18 | tcohen | so, until that deadline (19/09) |
| 22:18 | we might put your proposal on hold? | |
| 22:19 | rangi | yeah i wouldnt push it until after the tests |
| 22:19 | tcohen | btw, any advise/help is welcome |
| 22:19 | ok, moving on? | |
| 22:19 | rangi | yep |
| 22:20 | tcohen | #topic Additions to Coding Guidelines |
| 22:20 | Topic for #koha is now Additions to Coding Guidelines (Meeting topic: Koha Developer IRC meeting, 2 September 2014 - part 2) | |
| 22:20 | tcohen | do u have any coding guideline you'd like to add? |
| 22:20 | rangi | hmmm not off the top of my head |
| 22:21 | tcohen | ok, next |
| 22:21 | #topic Bugs | |
| 22:21 | Topic for #koha is now Bugs (Meeting topic: Koha Developer IRC meeting, 2 September 2014 - part 2) | |
| 22:21 | tcohen | #info rangi mentioned bugs 12655 12657 |
| 22:22 | #info they need to get tested so we finally push the CCSR/prog deprecation | |
| 22:22 | ok, moving on | |
| 22:23 | #topic "Big stuff we are working on" | |
| 22:23 | Topic for #koha is now "Big stuff we are working on" (Meeting topic: Koha Developer IRC meeting, 2 September 2014 - part 2) | |
| 22:23 | tcohen | you're working on ES, comments on that? |
| 22:24 | rangi | thats pretty much all eythian now, and he just arrived |
| 22:24 | so he might have some comments | |
| 22:24 | tcohen | ok |
| 22:24 | eythian | hi |
| 22:24 | wahanui | privet, eythian |
| 22:25 | eythian | Yeah, ES is back working. Refactoring it to work with authorities at the moment |
| 22:25 | i.e. allowing them to be indexed and searched. | |
| 22:25 | one of these days I'll put up a demo server for experimentation. | |
| 22:30 | tcohen | #info eythian will put a demo server for people to test ES |
| 22:30 | some day :-D | |
| 22:32 | ok, next meeting is scheduled next week same day/time | |
| 22:32 | agreed? | |
| 22:32 | we ahve a big agenda | |
| 22:33 | rangi | yep, sounds good |
| 22:34 | tcohen | end meeting then |
| 22:34 | #agreed next meeting is scheduled for next weke | |
| 22:34 | #endmeeting | |
| 22:34 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.16.3 is available! Next general meeting is 13 and 14 August 2014 at 22:00 and 15:00 UTC. Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org. Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes. | |
| 22:34 | huginn | Meeting ended Tue Sep 2 22:34:59 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 22:34 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-09-02-22.05.html | |
| 22:34 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]4-09-02-22.05.txt | |
| 22:34 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]02-22.05.log.html | |
| 22:55 | tcohen | #koha, please don't flood the dev meetings, that's not polite :-P |
| 22:55 | rangi | hmm? |
| 22:56 | tcohen | joking |
| 22:58 | rangi | ah :) |
| 23:04 | dcook | One of these days I'll make one.. |
| 23:19 | papa joined #koha | |
| 23:28 | indradg joined #koha | |
| 23:30 | indradg | eythian, I almost *knew* that answer, but it's best to hear it from the horse's mouth ;-) |
| 23:30 | eythian | heh |
| 23:31 | hi papa | |
| 23:31 | papa | hi there! |
| 23:31 | indradg | i do know why Vimal is looking for squeeze-dev |
| 23:31 | eythian | oh yeah? |
| 23:33 | indradg | i had requested him to check out 12815, as he is a native speaker of Malayalam (an indian language), he asked me for squeeze-dev package |
| 23:33 | he couldn't get git install to work | |
| 23:34 | eythian | ah right |
| 23:48 | rocio left #koha |
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