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| 00:25 | irma__ joined #koha | |
| 00:39 | rangi | officially had it with that attitude from paula |
| 00:39 | paul A even :) paula is fine | |
| 00:42 | his derailing of discussions with offtopic rants | |
| 01:12 | indradg | lol.... my first "hazing" by great paul a |
| 01:14 | rangi | :) |
| 01:14 | it happens to everyone | |
| 01:16 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 01:17 | indradg | rangi: help! /me is reading http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_bz_configuration |
| 01:17 | rangi | yep |
| 01:17 | indradg | i've kohaclone on $HOME |
| 01:17 | created a branch l2c2master on that | |
| 01:18 | worked a bit.. git added my new files | |
| 01:18 | have not committed (local) anything yet | |
| 01:18 | rangi | right |
| 01:19 | indradg | I've configed git.bz |
| 01:19 | cd ed into kohaclone | |
| 01:19 | now what | |
| 01:19 | wahanui | now is good time with holidays coming up |
| 01:20 | rangi | you need to just commit as usual |
| 01:20 | but instead of doing the git format-patch step | |
| 01:20 | you just do | |
| 01:20 | git bz attach -e bugnumber HEAD | |
| 01:20 | or HEAD^ or whatever commit you want to attach | |
| 01:21 | indradg | that's it? |
| 01:21 | dcook | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ubmitting_a_patch |
| 01:21 | rangi | thats it |
| 01:22 | indradg | cool! |
| 01:22 | eythian | wahanui: ftp is <reply>http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie |
| 01:22 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 01:23 | * dcook | wonders if all of Arnott's Shapes are hexagons... |
| 01:23 | indradg | rangi: this is what got me confused -> git checkout -b bug_xxxx origin/master |
| 01:23 | :) | |
| 01:24 | jcamins | AAAAARRRRGGHHHH!!! My new phone has a different way of showing filtered messages. |
| 01:24 | rangi | well you should be developing on branches .. not on master .. but how you decide to manage your local dev is up to you |
| 01:25 | jcamins | Separate branch. Definitely. |
| 01:26 | eythian | always and forever |
| 01:26 | indradg | I'm already doing that |
| 01:27 | so, lemme get gthis... what git.bz will do, is to ease the git format patch submission process and go one-on-one with the bug id in question? | |
| 01:27 | jcamins | indradg: okay, you're fine then. :) |
| 01:27 | indradg | thanks rangi, dcoo, jcamins :) |
| 01:27 | dcook: | |
| 01:30 | dcook | :) |
| 01:30 | git bz is awesome | |
| 01:30 | jcamins: That sucks about your phone :/ | |
| 01:31 | jcamins | dcook: well at least I know now. |
| 01:32 | Alas, I found out on what I think might be a new low. | |
| 01:32 | dcook | A new low? |
| 01:32 | How so? | |
| 01:32 | Maybe you haven't given it a fair go? | |
| 01:33 | jcamins | dcook: oh, right. You get the digest. |
| 01:33 | dcook | Ah, not anymore. |
| 01:33 | Damn, I broke my rhyme... | |
| 01:34 | * dcook | comprehends the new low statement now. |
| 01:34 | indradg | one last dumbass question: say I have created two files - abcd1234.pl and abcd1234.tt, should i simply add them with git add <filename> or should I use `git add -A` |
| 01:34 | jcamins | indradg: I always add things by file name. |
| 01:34 | dcook | Yeah, me too |
| 01:34 | eythian | me too |
| 01:34 | otherwise I'll get unrelated crap sucked in by accident | |
| 01:34 | dcook | Although if I'm committing, I often use -a |
| 01:35 | Like... 1) git add <filename> 2) do some work on files 3) git commit -a | |
| 01:35 | jcamins | The time I accidentally committed several megabytes NYTProf stuff broke me of the -A habit. |
| 01:35 | Also blib. | |
| 01:35 | dcook | .gitignore :D |
| 01:35 | jcamins | dcook: no one had told me about .gitignore back then. |
| 01:35 | dcook | Ouch :( |
| 01:35 | Admittedly, I think I committed blib as well, but only locally | |
| 01:37 | indradg | thanks :-) I wasn't sure I wanted to add all of that with an -A http://pastebin.com/kcRfpHg7 |
| 01:37 | dcook | Indeed :) |
| 01:38 | eythian | most of those should be .gitignored |
| 01:38 | dcook | ^ |
| 01:38 | indradg | thank you all for the 'legup' :D |
| 01:38 | eythian | (as in, someone ought to go add them to .gitignore, not something's wrong and that's why you're seeing them.) |
| 01:38 | pastebot | "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "contents of .gitignore" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/166 |
| 01:39 | dcook | I think that would do the trick |
| 01:39 | eythian | yeah, also the existing stuff |
| 01:39 | *~ and .*.swp or something | |
| 01:40 | dcook | yeah, I have a *.bak for something I think.. |
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| 01:41 | * dcook | hearts git |
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| 02:35 | tcohen | @Snider Córdoba, Argentina |
| 02:35 | huginn | tcohen: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 02:38 | tcohen | dcook: can u take a look at bug 12788? |
| 02:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12788 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Refine search displays 4xx fields from authority records |
| 02:39 | dcook | tcohen: I could. Why do you ask? :) |
| 02:40 | tcohen: Or do you mean in terms of testing? | |
| 02:40 | tcohen | Looking for peer review, and possibly testing. Whatever you're up to |
| 02:42 | dcook | Ahh, I see. You've moved the facet code a bit? Cool :) |
| 02:42 | tcohen | Exactly, it is more efficient. A lot |
| 02:42 | And fixes the bug, heh | |
| 02:42 | It's difficult to type on the phone | |
| 02:44 | dcook | I was wondering when AndroUser turned into tcohen ;) |
| 02:44 | tcohen | Heh |
| 02:44 | dcook | Well, I have a fair bit on my plate for today still, I think, but I'll make a note to myself to check it out early next week |
| 02:45 | tcohen | Fair enough, it is not going to be on 3.16.3 anyway I guess |
| 02:47 | Ah Swype feature: multiple simultaneous languages | |
| 02:48 | Night | |
| 02:48 | dcook | Ooo, that could be handy |
| 02:48 | night tcohen :) | |
| 02:48 | Hope the three of you are well | |
| 02:49 | eythian | swiftkey has that too |
| 03:01 | dcook | eythian: what keyboard do you use on your tablet? |
| 03:01 | eythian | swiftkey |
| 03:01 | dcook | I thought I would like writing emails more on a tablet than a phone, but I can't stand it so far :/ |
| 03:01 | (great for reading comics though :D) | |
| 03:02 | Is that are in the Play store? | |
| 03:02 | eythian | yeah |
| 03:02 | typing on a tablet still sucks | |
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| 03:12 | dcook | Dinger :/ |
| 03:12 | Well, since my laptop got stolen, I have incentive to get a new one now :p | |
| 03:12 | Maybe after I get back from Europe.. | |
| 03:15 | wizzyrea | I don't mind the built in swype thing |
| 03:15 | good for when I'm 1 handed typing on the bus. | |
| 03:17 | dcook | batch checkout? |
| 03:17 | Hmm | |
| 03:17 | @query batch checkout | |
| 03:17 | huginn | dcook: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3514 new feature, P3, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Returning items through patron Details tab doesn't activate all circulation functions |
| 03:17 | dcook: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7676 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, In Discussion , Barcode Prefixes | |
| 03:17 | dcook: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10612 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add ability to delete patrons with batch patron deletion tool | |
| 03:17 | dcook: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11759 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Patch doesn't apply , Batch checkout | |
| 03:17 | dcook | aha |
| 03:31 | wizzyrea | actually supposedly there are poets on the buses today. |
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| 03:52 | dcook | Poets on the buses, wizzyrea? |
| 03:53 | wizzyrea | yeah for national poetry day |
| 03:53 | dcook | Interesting. What are they doing? Writing, reciting, being conveyed places? |
| 03:53 | wizzyrea | reciting, I think |
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| 03:59 | dcook | wizzyrea: Cool :) |
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| 04:50 | indradg | @seen tcohen |
| 04:50 | huginn | indradg: tcohen was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 2 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <tcohen> Night |
| 04:53 | indradg | @later tell tcohen you are working on http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6815 ? |
| 04:53 | huginn | indradg: The operation succeeded. |
| 04:53 | 04Bug 6815: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Capture member photo via webcam | |
| 06:03 | ashimema | morning #koha |
| 06:03 | dcook | allo ashimema |
| 06:04 | ashimema | dcook!.. Hows it hangin'' |
| 06:05 | dcook | Not too bad. Yourself? |
| 06:05 | ashimema | not bad either.. |
| 06:06 | though I'm currently fighting with server which doesnt want to be dragged kicking and screaming onto wheexy from squeeze | |
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| 06:27 | reiveune joined #koha | |
| 06:27 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:27 | wahanui | bonjour, reiveune |
| 06:42 | dcook | ashimema: That sucks :/ |
| 06:42 | hey reiveune | |
| 06:42 | wahanui | rumour has it reiveune is working for biblibre |
| 06:42 | reiveune | salut dcook |
| 06:42 | ashimema | currently running up against the update-perl-sex-parsers missing problem. |
| 06:42 | :( | |
| 06:42 | dcook | update-perl-sex-parsers? |
| 06:43 | I can't remember if I installed Koha before or after I upgraded to Wheezy...but I recall it going fairly smoothly | |
| 06:45 | Recently thinking about switching to Ubuntu 14.04 (for my desktop) as it has way better MTP support than Debian Wheezy. Hopefully Jessie will be better than Wheezy though, so undecided on whether or not to just hold off... | |
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| 07:10 | ashimema | I use ubuntu to my desktop and debian for any servers. |
| 07:10 | got the bugger.. | |
| 07:11 | it's a know squeeze to wheezy issue that randomly happens apparently. | |
| 07:11 | I had to grab an old version of that script from another server.. let apt sort itself out using it.. then remove the script again.. | |
| 07:11 | all very madening.. | |
| 07:13 | dcook | Weird. Maybe I updated at just the right time then. |
| 07:13 | Yeah, maybe when I get back from holiday I'll switch over to Ubuntu for my desktop | |
| 07:13 | What DE do you use? | |
| 07:14 | I really like Gnome3 on Debian so far. LXDE was good with Ubuntu for a netbook, and KDE always seems all right. | |
| 07:14 | Tried Unity a bit but wasn't a fan | |
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| 07:29 | smayo | on a packaged system...is there anything special that needs to be done with user edited help entries when upgrading? |
| 07:44 | dcook | Friday night! Time to run. Enjoy your Friday/weekend, peeps. |
| 07:44 | ashimema | I didn't like unity.. |
| 07:44 | missed him | |
| 07:56 | indradg | what is Unity? |
| 07:56 | wahanui | Unity is better now than the first iteration; the first was really flakey, but with some recent updates and a better working knowledge of it it seems to be better. |
| 07:56 | indradg | :) |
| 07:56 | @wunder Kolkata | |
| 07:56 | huginn | indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 32.0°C (1:20 PM IST on August 22, 2014). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 27.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Falling). |
| 07:57 | ashimema | @wunder steveange, uk |
| 07:57 | huginn | ashimema: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 07:57 | ashimema | @wunder stevenage, uk |
| 07:57 | huginn | ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 13.6°C (8:50 AM BST on August 22, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:58 | ashimema | Unity is just rubbish with multiple monitors.. and doesn't really do the workspaces stuff i've got really used to |
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| 08:38 | eythian | ashimema: I've had no problem with unity on multiple monitors |
| 08:39 | ashimema | really.. ? |
| 08:39 | eythian | yep |
| 08:39 | plug it in and it works | |
| 08:39 | there are some settings you can use to make it easier for your use case | |
| 08:39 | ashimema | it always gave me a real run around.. windows randomly changing monitor for no aparent reason. |
| 08:39 | I'm pretty happy with gnome shell to be honest.. | |
| 08:40 | eythian | e.g. stopping the stickyness when moving the mouse between screens which is surprising if you aren't used to it. |
| 08:40 | fair enough | |
| 08:40 | ashimema | just wish it was a little more stable with my graphics setp. |
| 08:40 | the only thing I sort of like about unity is the hud.. | |
| 08:40 | would like to see that ported ;) | |
| 08:41 | eythian | I love the idea of the hud, I just find I rarely use it |
| 08:41 | though, when I'm using unity it's very casual use for the most part. | |
| 08:41 | my work desktop is xmonad, it's only my laptop and home desktop that use unity | |
| 08:42 | ashimema | yeah.. that's kinda why I never bothered making the switch.. that was the main thing I liked the sound of.. but i didn't seem to use it enough to warrant using the entire de |
| 08:42 | eythian | (xmonad is pretty rigid, but that suits work where I'm mostly doing sets of specific things.) |
| 08:42 | the keyboard shortcuts in unity are nice | |
| 08:42 | ashimema | I really like gnome shell.. I tihnk their take on workspaces is the simplest to use personally. |
| 08:42 | eythian | super+number launches that numbered thing on the launcher, for example |
| 08:43 | I've not used that. At home I rarely use workspaces, at work everything is workspaces, but one thing unity can't do is let me say "put worspace 1 on the left monitor, workspace 8 on the right one." | |
| 08:43 | which xmonad can | |
| 08:45 | Joubu | xmonad is not easy to configure, but awesome or flwm look easier |
| 08:45 | eythian | it's not easy to configure, it took me a day or so to get it how I liked, but now I don't change it :) |
| 08:45 | I should learn haskell, that'll make it easier. | |
| 08:46 | Joubu | same I spent 2 weeks :) But now I really love my configuration! |
| 08:46 | eythian | heh |
| 08:46 | it's super fast to work with now | |
| 08:47 | ashimema | I keep pocking at xmonad and similar.. |
| 08:47 | not taken the full plung yet though.. | |
| 08:47 | should do at some point. | |
| 08:47 | eythian | yeah, you need to, otherwise it's too easy to put it off |
| 08:48 | Joubu | you can use xmonad in gnome shell I think, so no excuse to try :) |
| 08:50 | eythian | I ran it under unity to start with |
| 08:50 | found that that was unnecessary | |
| 08:51 | now I do run it with a basic gnome environment, but just to get theming etc, no widgets. | |
| 08:51 | Have I shown you folks my neat arduino LED server traffic display? | |
| 08:53 | http://imgur.com/mhU87Cb <-- if I haven't, that's it running. But it's Friday evening, so very low traffic (it's essentially plotting the access log hits in the past 60 seconds and the peak for the past hour.) | |
| 08:54 | Joubu | haha, excellent! |
| 08:54 | eythian | I have a 2M (120 LED) strip looking for a project. If you have any ideas, @later them to me, I'm heading off now. |
| 08:54 | (the one in the picture is 1M (60 LED) | |
| 08:54 | ) | |
| 09:04 | phew, I nearly forgot to print my beervana ticket for tomorrow | |
| 09:04 | that was close | |
| 09:14 | ashimema | [ajax circ.. what bug is that.. what version is it in/aimed for? |
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| 09:57 | Oak | awesome LED thing eythian |
| 09:57 | love it. never even imagined it before. | |
| 09:58 | i wonder what's that single purple led that on in the middle for? | |
| 10:03 | magnuse | ashimema: bug 11703? |
| 10:03 | wahanui | hmmm... bug 11703 is waiting for an answer, I started QA on it :) |
| 10:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable |
| 10:03 | magnuse | see also bug 11759 |
| 10:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11759 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Patch doesn't apply , Batch checkout |
| 10:03 | ashimema | cheers magnuse.. that's the one.. |
| 10:04 | the second one I spotted.. | |
| 10:04 | haven't worked out what state it's in yet.. | |
| 10:04 | magnuse | denial |
| 10:05 | Oak: my guess is the purple one is "the peak for the past hour" | |
| 10:06 | i splurged on some hue bulbs earlier this summer, plan on having them show my icinga status | |
| 10:07 | http://www2.meethue.com/ | |
| 10:07 | Oak | oooh that makes sense. very cool. thanks magnuse! |
| 10:07 | denial state. hah. that's funny. | |
| 10:08 | magnuse | eythian++ for the access log thing |
| 10:09 | Joubu | ashimema: about the batch checkout enh, I am waiting for an answer from pianohacker. But not sure he saw my comment. |
| 10:10 | ashimema | k,, cheers for the update |
| 10:12 | Oak | not funny of course if it's an actual option in bugzilla |
| 10:12 | i'll check now | |
| 10:13 | * magnuse | does not think it is ;-) |
| 10:13 | Oak | :) |
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| 11:28 | saa | can someone guide me why my opac is not showing any results |
| 11:29 | is there a way to figure out what is going wrong | |
| 11:29 | i tried rebuild-zebra | |
| 11:29 | but still no luck | |
| 11:29 | my zebra-error.log also not updating with any new lines than library-koha-zebra: client (pid 30471) killed by signal 15, stopping | |
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| 11:41 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 11:42 | so using tor browser helps against the berlin state library firewall, good to know :D | |
| 11:48 | i assume all the talking takes place in the google group these days :) | |
| 11:53 | magnuse | drojf: nah, we moved to the linkedin group ;-) |
| 11:53 | * magnuse | wanders off |
| 11:54 | drojf | magnuse: i would have preferred facebook chat :D |
| 12:16 | Joubu | jcamins: around? |
| 12:17 | jcamins | Eh. Briefly, maybe. |
| 12:17 | What's up? | |
| 12:17 | Joubu | jcamins: I'm QAing bug 10402 |
| 12:17 | jcamins | Yay! |
| 12:17 | Joubu | I don't understand the UT in Letters.t |
| 12:17 | actually the notice is generated using the first contact defined, that's it? | |
| 12:17 | jcamins | Which one? |
| 12:17 | wahanui | Which one is that? The fixed navbar? |
| 12:18 | Joubu | The last one, l.337 |
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| 12:18 | jcamins | It's based on the claimacquisition field. |
| 12:18 | Joubu | The way you wrote it, it looks like you get the contact where claimacquisition is 1 |
| 12:19 | jcamins | Right, that's what it's supposed to do. Was there a merge conflict that has it not doing that anymore? |
| 12:19 | Joubu | jcamins: the ut pass |
| 12:19 | but I was just wondering | |
| 12:19 | (I fixed the conflict) | |
| 12:19 | jcamins | Joubu++ |
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| 12:20 | Joubu | jcamins: If I swap the 2 contacts (on adding the bookseller), the tests don't pass |
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| 12:21 | Joubu | jcamins: but forget it, I will deep into the code! :) |
| 12:21 | jcamins | Hmm. |
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| 12:26 | jcamins | Joubu: obvious question, but you changed the code that modifies the contact later to change the second contact, right? |
| 12:27 | (when you swapped the order) | |
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| 12:37 | Joubu | jcamins: (sorry for the delay) I just swapped the 2 contacts in the UT file. I expected that the tests still pass, but it's not the case. |
| 12:38 | jcamins | Joubu: do you mean just swapped the two lines? |
| 12:38 | Joubu | jcamins: yes |
| 12:38 | jcamins | Joubu: There's another line you'll need to change to swap the contacts: |
| 12:38 | $bookseller->{'contacts'}->[1]->email('testemailmydomain.com'); |
|
| 12:38 | (that's changed) | |
| 12:39 | Right now it says: $bookseller->{'contacts'}->[0]->email('testemailmydomain.com'); |
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| 12:39 | Joubu | jcamins: arf, silly me! |
| 12:39 | yes you are right, it's better now. thanks | |
| 12:39 | jcamins | Yay! :D |
| 12:40 | Joubu | jcamins: I need to fix my exim config in order to verify there is no regression on sending emails, but all look good at the moment. |
| 12:40 | jcamins | Joubu: you poor man. exim. :P |
| 12:41 | Joubu | jcamins: the easier to configure :) |
| 12:41 | easiest | |
| 12:41 | jcamins | Heh. I've been told that, but I never had any luck with it. Postfix for me. :) |
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| 13:09 | tcohen | morning! |
| 13:10 | wahanui | morning is a state of the cait |
| 13:10 | tcohen | @later tell indradg I halted that work for now, need to focus on other stuff for 3.18 |
| 13:10 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:30 | tcohen | hi ashimema |
| 13:31 | ashimema | hi tcohen |
| 13:31 | any dbic pros about?.. anyone know if you can override a relationship from the caller? | |
| 13:32 | i.e.. I've got a script where I want to ->copy a dbic row which has a has_many relationship within it.. | |
| 13:33 | tcohen | @later tell rangi about bad paul's email http://snag.gy/GhZmI.jpg |
| 13:33 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:33 | ashimema | I wan't to override the cascade_copy for just that run.. can't find it in the docs so wondered if anyone here could advise? |
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| 13:53 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 14:03 | tcohen | ho oleonard |
| 14:21 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12576: Update opac.css file <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]399cb18451c017746> / Bug 12576: Make the more/fewer options and "new search" links on the advanced search... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f2990b3770e03684f> / Bug 12776: Capitalization: Confirmation messages in circulation <http://git.koha-communit |
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| 15:08 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:59 | indradg | @seen tcohen |
| 15:59 | huginn | indradg: tcohen was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 56 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <tcohen> ho oleonard |
| 16:00 | indradg | tcohen: around? |
| 16:01 | tcohen | hi indradg |
| 16:01 | indradg | hi |
| 16:01 | wahanui | niihau, indradg |
| 16:01 | indradg | what is indradg? |
| 16:01 | wahanui | rumour has it indradg is the one who told me |
| 16:01 | indradg | lol |
| 16:03 | tcohen: i was looking for that feature, need it in a project... since you are busy with 3.18, would you mind if I tried my hand at it? | |
| 16:03 | I'm not sure how far i would be able to go yet, being all new to Koha programming and all that :) | |
| 16:04 | tcohen | indradg: i can give you the patches I already have |
| 16:04 | i might attach them to the bug | |
| 16:04 | indradg | tcohen: that would be fab actually! |
| 16:04 | tcohen | there were two things missing: |
| 16:05 | indradg | ok |
| 16:05 | tcohen | 1) test for html5 access to camera support (so the widget doesn't get loaded and tell it cannot access camera) |
| 16:05 | 2) layout | |
| 16:05 | indradg | alright! |
| 16:08 | jcamins | Why does Koha need access to a camera? |
| 16:08 | indradg | tcohen: please attach the patches to bug 6815 |
| 16:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6815 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Capture member photo via webcam |
| 16:08 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 16:08 | indradg | jcamins: ^^^ |
| 16:09 | oleonard | C4/Selfie.pm |
| 16:10 | indradg | jcamins: plus I'm planning to add a syspref to capture a picture of the person checkin / checking out to restrict 'buddy punching' of the access card |
| 16:12 | had some nasty business at an University client - person A comes in with B's access card, checks out with books under A. A files a police report that he was mugged and card stolen. The client lost about $1000 worth of imported books. | |
| 16:13 | jcamins | indradg: and it didn't occur to the university to put photographs of the students on their cards? |
| 16:14 | indradg | it was a temp card used to an adjunct faculty while the photoid was in the works |
| 16:14 | s/used/issued/ | |
| 16:16 | jcamins: plus its a mindset issue as well - senior faculty members will often send in their orderly or research assistant to get books issued on the faculty member's card | |
| 16:16 | jcamins | indradg: okay, another silly question: if this is a serious concern, why doesn't the university just make a rule that adjuncts can't take out books until they pick up their permanent ID card? |
| 16:17 | indradg: that's very common here too, and the research assistants have to show *their* photo ID in order to do it. | |
| 16:17 | And be pre-authorized by the professor. | |
| 16:17 | (or come with an authorization letter) | |
| 16:18 | indradg | that is supposed to the rule here too. but in practicality it is not always followed very strictly. |
| 16:19 | the circ desk stuff is often high school graduates or less and usually in awe of the mighty profs... as silly as that may sound to you | |
| 16:19 | * jcamins | makes a suitably dubious face about the effectiveness of eliminating patron privacy in preventing planned thefts. |
| 16:21 | indradg | i know, i don't like it much myself |
| 16:22 | jcamins | No, I can see that, but if the staff can't police based on photo IDs, I don't see how they're going to be any more effective at preventing theft when patron anonymity is eliminated. |
| 16:23 | I guess the idea is "we'll have a photograph of the person who checked out books during this session to give to law enforcement," but is a thief really going to stand there and pose? | |
| 16:23 | (I know this isn't your problem, just thinking out loud) | |
| 16:23 | indradg | in this case, patron anonymity is already shot to smithereens! 12 cctv cameras inside the library stacks (open access) to prevent pilferage and damage and 3 uniformed security personnel |
| 16:24 | too many cases where readers have torn out pages they need and left the book on the shelf | |
| 16:25 | jcamins | Security cameras don't necessarily provide a permanent record of who took out [controversial book]. |
| 16:25 | indradg | it does not, it is more of "security theatre" than anything |
| 16:27 | jcamins | Yeah, but photographing every book transaction would. I guess maybe if you made it so that the photographs were controlled by the same anonymization bit as circ records... |
| 16:35 | indradg | the idea is once the item is returned the photo would be "shredded" |
| 16:36 | jcamins | How are the circ staff going to be taught/persuaded to make Very Important Professor stand still for his photo... ninety times in a row? |
| 16:37 | indradg | there was even a couple of cases where the circ desk staff had an on-going tiff with one of the faculty. falsely "issued out" books which were actually never issued out, and then there was a merry-dance over it |
| 16:39 | jcamins | I have a theory... the problem is your circ desk staff. |
| 16:39 | indradg | i know! |
| 16:40 | jcamins | :) |
| 16:41 | indradg | very strongly unionized. can't replace unless there is any provable evidence of wrong-doing or "sleeping" at work and secondly |
| 16:42 | space or the lack it it | |
| 16:42 | this is a way too common scenario in indian academic libraries | |
| 16:43 | jcamins | I'm not saying I've never heard of theft from libraries... in fact it's quite common... but I still find it hard to get my head around that. |
| 16:44 | indradg | its a culture thing |
| 16:46 | in india, the best run libraries are the ones that are run by the volunteers (usually from patrons after a certain length of membership)... but these are public librarie | |
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| 17:44 | * magnuse_ | waves |
| 17:46 | magnuse_ | bag: HI |
| 17:46 | wahanui | kia ora, magnuse_ |
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| 18:30 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_Master_D7 build #148: UNSTABLE in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/148/ |
| 18:30 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 12545: Add EditorConfig.org file to the source tree | |
| 18:30 | * Katrin.Fischer.83web.de: Bug 12776: Capitalization: Confirmation messages in circulation |
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| 18:30 | * Sean Hamlin: Bug 12576: Make the more/fewer options and "new search" links on the advanced search page look better. | |
| 18:30 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12576: Update opac.css file | |
| 18:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12545 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Add EditorConfig file to the source tree |
| 18:30 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12776 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Capitalization: confirmation messages in circulation | |
| 18:30 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, seanh, Pushed to Master , search links need style id | |
| 18:53 | oleonard | I hope indradg's question wasn't completely hijacked by that off-topic reply |
| 18:54 | * jcamins | sends oleonard a cookie. |
| 18:54 | * magnuse_ | should catch up on the lists |
| 19:00 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
| 19:22 | tcohen | have a nice weekend #koha |
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| 19:45 | datadoctor | Hi datadoctor here. Is it OK to start a conversation with a gripe? I'm examining the messaging, or notifications process, and I am finding the overduerules.pl interface illogical and unnecessary. |
| 19:46 | For example you can set a delay on an advance notice - doesn't that conflict with the "takes_days" set by the patron in enhanced messaging preferences? | |
| 19:48 | And you can select a "Second Item Due Reminder" as the first letter, and a [first] "Item Due Reminder" as the second letter. | |
| 19:48 | You can select a reserve slip as an overdue letter. | |
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| 19:49 | datadoctor | I'm examining the messaging, or notifications process, and I am finding the overduerules.pl interface illogical and unnecessary. |
| 19:49 | For example you can set a delay on an advance notice - doesn't that conflict with the "takes_days" set by the patron in enhanced messaging preferences? | |
| 19:49 | And you can select a "Second Item Due Reminder" as the first letter, and a [first] "Item Due Reminder" as the second letter. | |
| 19:49 | * cait | waves |
| 19:49 | datadoctor | Hi! |
| 19:49 | cait | they are different things |
| 19:49 | advanced notices are separate from overdues | |
| 19:50 | you have predue = those take days, as they are the only ones send before the due date | |
| 19:50 | then you have due - those are send on the date the item is due | |
| 19:50 | and then you have overdues - those are always sent after the due date | |
| 19:50 | magnuse_ | cait++ |
| 19:50 | datadoctor | Yes, that's why its amusing to select "Advance Notice of Item Due" as an overdue letter. Seems like that should not be possible. |
| 19:50 | cait | the problem is the module |
| 19:50 | the pull down displays all letters in the circulation module | |
| 19:51 | datadoctor | These could be defined just like any other notice. |
| 19:51 | All of the letters are edited in one interface. | |
| 19:51 | cait | the feature here is that you can have different letters for every notice level 1-3 and different patron categories |
| 19:51 | you don't have that granularity for other letters at this date | |
| 19:52 | they are all or nothing with hardcoded notice codes - ovedues are more flexible | |
| 19:52 | datadoctor | But we have redundancy in the letters - you select a second letter, then assign it "Second Item Due" - so why not just assume that the second letter is the second reminder. |
| 19:53 | cait | because you cna name your letters like you prefer to |
| 19:53 | and the codes can be freely chosen | |
| 19:53 | there is no way to assume which is the correct letter | |
| 19:53 | datadoctor | Then you combine the "Delay" with the "takes_days" feature - negative values for advance notices, positive values for delayed notices. |
| 19:53 | cait | yes, that would be a possible enhancement |
| 19:54 | jcamins | datadoctor: this is one of those "if someone cared enough to pay for the massive amount of time it would take to change an interface that most people interact with only once a decade, it could be a lot better" things. |
| 19:55 | cait | yeah, it would need funding |
| 19:55 | jcamins | And testing. |
| 19:55 | wahanui | testing is fun! or easier when you have a test plan. Hint hint. |
| 19:55 | datadoctor | I get that this has been this way forever and changing it could be complicated. |
| 19:56 | I'm just frustrated with it today, as we were planning to update to 3.16 | |
| 19:56 | next week and now I hear that notifications has broken on the failover to print notices. | |
| 19:56 | cait | hm but 3.16 deoesn't change much there |
| 19:56 | it offers only new possibilities | |
| 19:56 | datadoctor | I like the new method of defining letters. |
| 19:57 | cait | hm we are lookig for a tester there i thnk |
| 19:58 | datadoctor | Each message_transport_type gets its own custom notice. |
| 19:58 | cait | bug 12717 has a patch |
| 19:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12717 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Library no longer receiving Overdue email for patrons without email address |
| 19:58 | cait | that should allow to deal with print overdues as before |
| 19:58 | if you don't define one for print, the email one will be used (to myknowledge) | |
| 19:58 | so there are some fallbacks | |
| 20:00 | datadoctor | According to Bywater, that's what's broken. However I am currently unable to verify in my test environment. |
| 20:00 | The failover is failing. | |
| 20:00 | Some kind of interaction with the new multiple notices...? | |
| 20:01 | I haven't seen a bug on it yet though, so I may be mistaken. | |
| 20:03 | cait | i am not surei i have been out for a few days |
| 20:05 | datadoctor | I see the Talking Tech is on the Notices and Slips editor as "phone" message, so that's a great feature. |
| 20:06 | jenkins_koha | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 20:06 | wahanui | o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
| 20:06 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_Master_D7 build #149: FIXED in 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/149/ |
| 20:07 | datadoctor | Congratulations. |
| 20:11 | Maybe we could separate out the overdue notices and the "notices and slips" page. Flagging them for exclusive use on the overdue triggers page would make the 1st 2nd and 3rd letters interface more logical. | |
| 20:12 | cait | we could add a separatemodule to shorten the list of notice templates |
| 20:13 | well one could - i don't think something like that is planned at the moment | |
| 20:17 | datadoctor | Thanks for talking me off the ledge. I think I am wrapping my mind around the current system of notifications. |
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| 20:25 | cait | datadoctor: we are not woring iwth it yet |
| 20:25 | we use all kinds of the notices, but not yet the changes in 3.16 | |
| 20:25 | hope you can figure it out | |
| 20:26 | i tested recently all notices and the email ones seem to be ok | |
| 20:26 | we don't do phone notifications - so can't tell about those | |
| 20:27 | datadoctor | I'm looking for efficiencies, rearranging elements from the enhanced messaging preferences, notices and slips and overdue triggers. But maybe we are close to perfect as is. |
| 20:28 | We hope to implement phone notifications using a custom plug-in for Twilio - virtual phone number - reads scripts or takes recordings - used by Ebay and Yahoo customer service - automated. | |
| 20:29 | We'll have to patch it into the Itiva hooks. | |
| 20:30 | I like that it is included in the failover now. | |
| 20:31 | We generally use SMS > Email > Phone > Print Notice as our failover priorities for messaging. | |
| 20:31 | cait | phone notifications are not common in gemrany at all :) |
| 20:32 | datadoctor | Phone costs less than postage here, so it's a stopgap before we send the physical letter. |
| 20:33 | two cents vs 49 cents | |
| 20:34 | We do allow the patron to pick their messaging preferences...so they can change from our defaults. Some patrons don't give us SMS or email - they are required to give us phone and mailing address. | |
| 20:38 | We make between 30 and 60 phone calls for overdues per day. Most of the calls go to voicemail as people are at work when we call. We're hoping to reposition that labor to be in-library patron-facing, and use robotic calling. | |
| 20:40 | Twilio stores pre-recorded messages in the cloud - you trigger their server with your ID, pw and phone list - the pre-recorded message is sent, and the patron name is generated by a text-to-voice feature. | |
| 20:42 | We wrote a compact PERL script to make the calls from Koha. You can specify different voices and languages as necessary. | |
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| 20:47 | cait | datadoctor: sounds useful |
| 20:47 | datadoctor: maybe interesting for othe rlibraires too? | |
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| 20:52 | datadoctor | Thanks cait. I appreciate the discussion on notifications. I think I will sleep on it before I start hammering out a radical, new system. Perhaps I can work with what we've got. I just want it to be easy for folks to configure, and logical. |
| 20:53 | cait | small steps |
| 20:53 | wahanui | small steps are going to be difficult... I'm not pushing anything that I can't even kind of test. |
| 20:53 | cait | radical new systems seldomly work :) |
| 20:54 | in my experience, i am a friend of small steps :) | |
| 21:14 | datadoctor | have a good morning / good evening! |
| 21:22 | cait | :) |
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