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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:07 | eythian | hi |
| 00:20 | mtj | heya eythian |
| 00:20 | i just spotted this in my newsfeed... | |
| 00:20 | http://arstechnica.com/securit[…]-of-service-bots/ | |
| 00:21 | eythian | yeah, you could write that headline as "people don't patch and firewall properly, get owned." |
| 00:21 | mtj | i wonder what is Backdoor.Perl.RShell.c |
| 00:21 | lol, awesome response | |
| 00:22 | so true too | |
| 00:22 | eythian | it's a perl web shell |
| 00:23 | mtj | ah yep, just spotted that too... |
| 00:23 | eythian | i.e. you drop it on something and then you can interact with it via a network port to control the machine |
| 00:23 | mtj | ' They said that the attackers modified publicly available proof-of-concept exploit code for CVE-2014-3120 and used it to install a Perl-based Web shell ' |
| 00:25 | a bit more, for the curious -> https://securelist.com/blog/vi[…]-ddos-and-profit/ | |
| 01:14 | irma_ joined #koha | |
| 01:26 | mtj | peeps.. anyone know if its possible to restrict r/w access to a branches bibs/items - for a user category? |
| 01:27 | ...ive taken a quick look about, but cant see any option to do this (in 3.14.x) | |
| 01:29 | dcook | Not that I know of |
| 01:29 | mtj | ie: stop users from branch-A, to view/edit bibs from branch-B |
| 01:30 | dcook: me too :) | |
| 01:30 | (i just ask, in case) | |
| 01:31 | dcook | Actually, even with IndependentBranches turned on, there is a lot of... well...lack of independence |
| 01:31 | eythian | it's not very thoroughly implemented, I'm given to understand. |
| 01:31 | * dcook | nods |
| 01:32 | wizzyrea | well it turned out that nobody actually used it that way |
| 01:32 | and people who tried, gave up. | |
| 01:32 | rangi | yeah it was more independent the first time round |
| 01:32 | then everyone was all | |
| 01:32 | oohhh we didnt mean actually independent | |
| 01:32 | wizzyrea | SHARE ALL THE THINGS |
| 01:32 | rangi | but we cant tell you what we actually mean |
| 01:32 | try and guess | |
| 01:32 | wizzyrea | ^^^^^ |
| 01:33 | rangi | and we will tell you if its wrong |
| 01:33 | wizzyrea | that. so much that. |
| 01:33 | and, it's not a technical problem, it's a people problem. | |
| 01:33 | rangi | *nod* |
| 01:33 | dcook | Well... |
| 01:33 | I'd say both | |
| 01:33 | rangi | its a technical solution to a people problem |
| 01:33 | wizzyrea | it's a technical problem because the people can't behave themselves. |
| 01:33 | dcook | There are a few holes in the independence as it presents itself |
| 01:34 | I'm willing to say it's a problem :p | |
| 01:34 | wizzyrea | I think libraries that want to do it like that |
| 01:34 | dcook | I don't think there's an easy technical solution as people policy varies too much. |
| 01:34 | wizzyrea | jsut ought to get their own koha. |
| 01:34 | rangi | the whole idea of independent branches is a people problem |
| 01:35 | i cant trust my colleagues, please make it so they cant do things i think they shouldn't | |
| 01:35 | wizzyrea | ^^^ |
| 01:35 | mtj | i think i agree rangi |
| 01:35 | * dcook | ponders |
| 01:35 | rangi | thats what makes it so hard to build |
| 01:35 | dcook | I'd say also fear of accidents |
| 01:35 | rangi | because everyone has different levels of trust in their workmates |
| 01:35 | wizzyrea | if you have ever looked at moodle permissions |
| 01:36 | there is a system built around people problems if I've ever seen one and the rules are madness. | |
| 01:36 | * dcook | is a bit terrified of learning management systems |
| 01:36 | wizzyrea | that way be dragons |
| 01:36 | rangi | if you really want independence |
| 01:36 | install packages | |
| 01:36 | run 5 instances | |
| 01:36 | wizzyrea | ^^^ |
| 01:36 | rangi | done |
| 01:36 | dcook | And install 5 databases of 600,000+ MeSH authorities? |
| 01:37 | rangi | yep |
| 01:37 | dcook | Seems a bit inefficient |
| 01:37 | rangi | disk is cheap |
| 01:37 | mtj | i remember the 1st time a librarian explained to me that staff on other branches 'gamed' the holds queue on certain items |
| 01:37 | dcook | rangi: There's only so much time to index though |
| 01:37 | I suppose you only need to re-index on occasion | |
| 01:37 | fully re-index | |
| 01:37 | rangi | for authorities once a year if that |
| 01:37 | wizzyrea | peer pressure at the system meeting is remarkably effective at curbing that. |
| 01:37 | dcook | mtj: "gamed"? |
| 01:38 | mtj | well, just cheated really dcook :) |
| 01:38 | dcook | But how? |
| 01:38 | wizzyrea | that assumes you have meetings. |
| 01:38 | dcook | wizzyrea: If it's a library, there are meetings |
| 01:38 | Many meetings | |
| 01:38 | rangi | or, they could spec it out, how they want it actually work and people could build it |
| 01:38 | mtj | they would reshuffle the holds queue... somehow |
| 01:38 | wizzyrea | the usuall kind of hold queue nonsense I'd reckon, bumping their pet borrowers to the top |
| 01:38 | etc | |
| 01:38 | rangi | but this wave your arms and say independent |
| 01:39 | is never gonna result in something anyone is happy with | |
| 01:39 | mtj | dcook: not on a koha system here... just some random ILS |
| 01:39 | dcook | rangi: Agreed. That's one of the reasons I dislike having the preference there to begin with |
| 01:39 | wizzyrea | independent = I can't see the others items? or I can see them but not edit them? or can only edit certain fields? |
| 01:39 | dcook | There isn't really a spec for it |
| 01:39 | wizzyrea | same, borrowers? |
| 01:40 | dcook | Ah, right, borrowers...that's another annoyance |
| 01:40 | wizzyrea | I can see your borrowers? I can edit them? I can not see them at all? |
| 01:40 | dcook | If you have 5 instances, you need to do patron management 5 times |
| 01:40 | wizzyrea: Totes | |
| 01:40 | mtj: Right, I just don't understand how they'd cheat the holds queue :S. Librarians are an interesting breed though. | |
| 01:41 | wizzyrea | the patron search has gotten a lot better in this regard. |
| 01:41 | cheating the hold queue is time honoured tradition in libraries. | |
| 01:41 | dcook | As in, there's a hold on it, but Imma check it out anyway? |
| 01:41 | (particularly to myself?) | |
| 01:41 | wizzyrea | as in, I like this person so I'll bump them up |
| 01:41 | * dcook | shudders |
| 01:41 | wizzyrea | or I don't like that person, I like this other person better, I'll rearrange this. |
| 01:42 | dcook | Reminds me of the 3 hour class we had on ethics... |
| 01:42 | It was horrible | |
| 01:42 | btw | |
| 01:42 | wizzyrea | also there's a hold on it but I'll check it out to this person anyway |
| 01:42 | dcook | :( |
| 01:42 | Mind you, I guess you don't necessarily have librarians doing a lot of the checking out... | |
| 01:42 | wizzyrea | mind, I had a library at NEKLS that would allow a borrower with a book in hand that they had gotten off the shelf issue an item even if it had a hold on it. |
| 01:43 | dcook | That is a tough situation |
| 01:43 | wizzyrea | (because, for example, the library hadn't pulled that item off of the shelf) |
| 01:43 | (yet) | |
| 01:43 | dcook | Righto |
| 01:43 | wizzyrea | and it seemed unfair to take the book out of that borrower's hand |
| 01:43 | dcook | On one hand, there's a hold on it. On the other hand, they have retrieved the book. |
| 01:43 | Yep | |
| 01:43 | wizzyrea | I think what we learn from this is that the hold queue isn't sacred really. |
| 01:43 | dcook | I suppose that's why some libraries don't allow holds where items are on shelf ;) |
| 01:44 | wizzyrea | it is and it isn't |
| 01:44 | you definitely don't want the system messing up the queuing. | |
| 01:44 | but people messing up the queuing can't really be avoided unless you simply don't allow it | |
| 01:45 | dcook | Or don't allow holds where items are on shelf |
| 01:46 | Although that sucks if you're not a regular library goer | |
| 01:46 | Or...charge money for holds so that patrons stop using your library all together | |
| 01:46 | * dcook | is still bitter about his local public library |
| 01:51 | mtj | wizzyrea: the weird twist to my story was that there was nasty sabotaging happening, between staff from 'rival' branches |
| 01:53 | the idea of admining (and/or developing) an ILS where your users are that badly behaved O_o | |
| 01:54 | wizzyrea | I'm pretty bitter about my public library too. |
| 01:55 | mtj | still... you could just add better logging for those 'hold' events, then run a weekly report to catch those users? |
| 01:55 | wizzyrea | yeah, I filed a bug about that ages ago |
| 01:55 | logging for hold queue modification | |
| 01:55 | or add reserve modification to the bib modification logs | |
| 01:55 | something like that | |
| 01:55 | mtj | good spotting wiz |
| 01:56 | yep | |
| 01:56 | wizzyrea | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6890 |
| 01:56 | huginn | 04Bug 6890: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Failed QA , Add reserves to modification logging |
| 01:57 | wizzyrea | ohh, it was getting close too. |
| 01:57 | boo. | |
| 01:58 | mtj | meh, just a little fixup needed |
| 02:58 | eythian | https://packages.qa.debian.org[…]rchange-perl.html <-- rangi, migrated into testing |
| 02:59 | rangi | sweet |
| 03:00 | @later tell ashimema Colin's perl module is now in debian testing https://packages.qa.debian.org[…]rchange-perl.html | |
| 03:00 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 03:20 | eythian | http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/log[…]ervation-society/ |
| 03:55 | mtj | rangi, very cool ^^ |
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| 04:55 | dpk | hi all. Just upgraded from 3.14.06 to 3.16.02 and there were 5 update errors on the DB. Is anyone here able to assess whether I need to worry about them? |
| 04:55 | eythian | yes |
| 04:55 | put them in a pastebin and put the link here | |
| 04:56 | wahanui: paste | |
| 04:56 | wahanui | i guess paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 04:56 | eythian | (also, if they're all "something already exists" type messages, you're fine.) |
| 05:00 | dpk | some are not. http://pastebin.com/mdFZT9pD |
| 05:01 | eythian | hmm |
| 05:02 | the first and third are fine, but the rest are a bit dubious | |
| 05:02 | oh, the second may be OK too, hard to tell. | |
| 05:03 | yeah, the second isn't OK either | |
| 05:03 | dpk | So what's my next step? |
| 05:04 | eythian | I don't understand why the issn one is happening, it drops the index immediately previously. |
| 05:04 | Are you familiar with SQL? | |
| 05:04 | dpk | I can do some basics. |
| 05:06 | eythian | In that case, I'd have a look in updatedatabase.pl at the lines mentioned, and then check the schema in the actual database to see if it now matches. If it doesn't, make it match :) |
| 05:07 | it really just seems to be the indexes around biblioitems.issn that're the issue | |
| 05:07 | and that ctId thing | |
| 05:07 | you may need to add it. | |
| 05:08 | That should have been added way back in 3.01, I don't know why you don't have it. | |
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| 05:16 | eythian | hi cait |
| 05:23 | cait | morning eythian |
| 05:23 | eythian | @wunder nzwn |
| 05:23 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:23 | eythian | ug. I have to bike across town. |
| 05:23 | what huginn isn't telling you is the wind gusting to 70kph | |
| 05:23 | dpk | Looks like I already have collections_tracking_id int(11). |
| 05:25 | eythian | ahh |
| 05:25 | yeah, that would be expected | |
| 05:25 | in that case, it's probably OK | |
| 05:26 | cait | ew |
| 05:27 | dpk | So now we're down to the wonky ISSN stuff. Let do a show columns on the biblioitems table |
| 05:28 | dcook | @wunder sydney, australia |
| 05:28 | huginn | dcook: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, New South Wales is 24.0°C (3:00 PM EST on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 15%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Falling). |
| 05:28 | * dcook | consults the internet |
| 05:28 | dcook | I think it's supposed to be winter here... |
| 05:28 | Not that I'm complaining | |
| 05:29 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 05:29 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 16.1°C (7:25 AM CEST on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:29 | cait | supposed t obe summer here |
| 05:29 | but currently we are getting los of rain | |
| 05:30 | dcook | :/ |
| 05:30 | * dcook | also just ate lunch is already hungry again |
| 05:30 | dcook | Nothing is as it should be! |
| 05:30 | cait | i don't like super warm weather, so it's not that bad fo rme |
| 05:30 | dpk | I don't know what that column is supposed to be… |
| 05:31 | eythian | if in doubt, look in installer/data/mysql/kohastructure.sql |
| 05:31 | * eythian | has to go now, later all. |
| 05:31 | dcook | later eythian |
| 05:37 | dpk | can someone show me what "show index from biblioitems;" shows for a system running 3.16.02? |
| 05:38 | Looking at kohastructure.sql... | |
| 05:43 | I think I fixed it. | |
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| 06:29 | dcook | Oh, IE7. Why you make me so crazy... |
| 06:31 | cait | dcook: glad someone works outhow to fix ie bugs |
| 06:31 | dcook++ | |
| 06:31 | bbiab | |
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| 06:36 | dcook | @later tell cait This one is for DSpace :/. I think my brain is going to leak out of my ear. It's rather mind-boggling. |
| 06:36 | huginn | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 06:44 | dcook | "margin-left:0px;" |
| 06:44 | But of course... | |
| 06:44 | * dcook | glares at IE7 |
| 06:46 | pushes his brains back into his head through his ear | |
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| 06:56 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:59 | * dcook | looks at more horrifying webpages |
| 06:59 | dcook | salut alex_a |
| 07:00 | alex_a | salut dcook |
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| 07:06 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:06 | wahanui | kia ora, gaetan_B |
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| 07:31 | matts | cait, around ? |
| 07:41 | cait | yes |
| 07:59 | ashimema | morning #koha |
| 08:00 | morning matts | |
| 08:00 | morning cait | |
| 08:01 | cait | morning ashimema |
| 08:13 | ashimema | matts, I've tried clarifying Tomas's main point on the CAS patch. Apologies, I think it was me that sent that bug off on a tangent by not fully reading Tomas's first comment. |
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| 08:14 | ashimema | In Tomas's words.. it's not he OPACBaseURL stuff holding it back.. |
| 08:15 | I think he's working on regression tests for it and trying to prove to himself that the patch fixes the problem directly rather than coincidentally. | |
| 08:15 | atheia | morning all! |
| 08:15 | ashimema | morning atheia |
| 08:15 | @wunder stevenage, uk | |
| 08:15 | huginn | ashimema: The current temperature in Monkswood, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 18.6°C (9:15 AM BST on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:16 | ashimema | hmm.. looks like my local whether station no longer gets top hit in wunder |
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| 08:16 | ashimema | @wunder great ashby, uk |
| 08:16 | huginn | ashimema: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:16 | matts | ashimema, just read your comment |
| 08:16 | ashimema | :) |
| 08:16 | matts | I totally agree: opacbaseurl stuff should be discussed somewhere else |
| 08:16 | ashimema | sorry mate.. didn't mean to hold the patch back.. i misread to start with.. |
| 08:17 | atheia | @wunder brussels, belgium |
| 08:17 | matts | and as for the test, jajm will write one today hopefully |
| 08:17 | huginn | atheia: The current temperature in Brussels, Belgium is 18.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:17 | ashimema | @wunder 51.925076, -0.160660 |
| 08:17 | huginn | ashimema: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:17 | ashimema | hmm.. I thought wunder could cope with lat and long. |
| 08:17 | excellent news.. I'm usre that will make tcohen happy ;) | |
| 08:18 | @wunder 51.925, -0.160 | |
| 08:18 | huginn | ashimema: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:19 | cait | :) |
| 08:20 | probably it was me - because i noted that it expected a different setting | |
| 08:20 | the intention was to make it easier for testers | |
| 08:20 | ashimema | Yeah.. lots on confusion over that bug. |
| 08:21 | @wunder 51.911 -0.186 | |
| 08:21 | huginn | ashimema: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:21 | ashimema | ack.. |
| 08:21 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 08:21 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 17.0°C (10:00 AM CEST on July 30, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Rising). |
| 08:21 | ashimema | looks like my local weather has gone offline.. I see why it's not working now. |
| 08:21 | http://www.wunderground.com/pe[…]ard?ID=IHERTFOR21 | |
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| 09:30 | matts | ashimema, is the shib single sign out always enabled, or is there a config option ? |
| 09:36 | and could you explain a bit more what <categorycode> is used for in koha-conf.xml ? It is unclear to me... | |
| 09:37 | cait | :) |
| 09:37 | i hope he will be back soon | |
| 09:38 | ashimema | be with you in a tic matts.. in a call with a customer at the second. |
| 09:38 | matts | ah... customers ! :) |
| 09:39 | ashimema | indeed ;) |
| 09:52 | cait | hi khall :) |
| 10:15 | khall | mornin cait! mornin all! |
| 10:16 | ashimema | right.. |
| 10:16 | i'm back | |
| 10:16 | morning khall | |
| 10:17 | interesting question matts | |
| 10:17 | khall | thanks to everyone ( ashimema, bkriegel, tcohen ) involved with getting bug 9000. That's definitely a personal record for me! Submitted one day, pushed to master the next! |
| 10:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9000 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , misc/cronjobs/rss/rss.pl uses HTP |
| 10:17 | ashimema | it's obviosly only enabled when shibboleth is enabled.. but when shibobleth is enabled it is always enabled as part of it yes.. |
| 10:18 | However.. there are caviats with that.. in that your have to setup single sign out correctyl at the IdP and SP ends outside of koha first. | |
| 10:18 | in short.. it 'should' 'do the right thing' | |
| 10:19 | will move to private chat.. sure not everyone wnats to hear my ranting ;) | |
| 10:25 | cait | ashimema: oooh |
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| 10:36 | cait | lunch time bbiab |
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| 10:39 | ashimema | matts++ for spotting a couple of glaring errors in my shib documentation and one glaring error in the implementation. |
| 10:40 | matts | :) |
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| 11:03 | cait | matts++ ashimema++ cooperation++ :) |
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| 11:34 | fridolin | hie all |
| 11:50 | francharb | Good morning |
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| 12:09 | jajm | cait, ashimema, the test for CAS is out \o/ http://bugs.koha-community.org[…].cgi?id=12398#c16 (took me a while to figure out how to test this...) |
| 12:09 | huginn | 04Bug 12398: critical, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , CAS authentication not working |
| 12:10 | cait | morning fridolin and francharb |
| 12:10 | jajm++ | |
| 12:10 | ashimema | jajm++ |
| 12:10 | cheers.. | |
| 12:11 | fridolin | good morning cati |
| 12:11 | cait: | |
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| 12:20 | matts | thx for the test, jajm |
| 12:25 | tcohen | morning #kohaq |
| 12:27 | ashimema | morning tcohen |
| 12:28 | tcohen | i'm about to rewrite the test in t/db_dependent/ |
| 12:29 | the cas one | |
| 12:29 | cait | morning tcohen :) |
| 12:29 | ashimema | did you spot jajm's one in the bug? |
| 12:29 | tcohen | yes |
| 12:29 | ashimema | great.. |
| 12:29 | i've not looked yet.. just wanted to make sure you'd caught up before ploughing into work ;) | |
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| 12:30 | cait | right eythian wants us to watch our for tests in t - making sure they really don't need a dbb |
| 12:30 | because that breaks the build | |
| 12:30 | ashimema | it's coming in thick and fast at the moment |
| 12:30 | cait | hm? |
| 12:30 | tcohen | jajm's needs access to sysprefs actually |
| 12:31 | ashimema | assume he's mocking those though? |
| 12:31 | if at all possible.. i prefer to mock the db,pref and config stuff myself ;) | |
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| 12:31 | ashimema | i 'hate' db dependant tests ;) |
| 12:32 | easier to write, but harder to consistently test | |
| 12:32 | jajm | tcohen, i can rewrite patch with syspref mock if you want |
| 12:33 | tcohen | ah, that'd be great |
| 12:33 | ashimema | awesome.. jajm++ |
| 12:33 | tcohen | jajm++ |
| 12:34 | oleonard | Hi everyone |
| 12:35 | tcohen | jajm: could you just move it to db_dependent? |
| 12:35 | my feeling is that we will write more tests soon for it | |
| 12:35 | all db_dependent | |
| 12:36 | you could just do my $opac_base_url = C4::Context->preference('OpacBaseURL') // ''; | |
| 12:36 | also, the test could look like | |
| 12:36 | is(C4::Auth_with_cas::_url_with_get_params($cgi), | |
| 12:36 | "$opac_base_url/cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl?bar=baz", | |
| 12:36 | "_url_with_get_params should return URL without deleted parameters (Bug 12398)"); | |
| 12:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12398 critical, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , CAS authentication not working |
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| 12:37 | jajm | tcohen, can't we have both t/Auth_with_cas.t and t/db_dependent/Auth_with_cas.t ? |
| 12:38 | tcohen | jajm: yes, do what u prefer |
| 12:38 | i'll push whatever test the QA team passes | |
| 12:39 | jajm | ok |
| 12:40 | tcohen | i'm still not sure what is the benefit |
| 12:40 | as i understand it, non db-dependent tests should exist to make sure no side effects take place when the DB is set | |
| 12:41 | but we have a situation where we indeed need the DB | |
| 12:41 | but are mocking it | |
| 12:41 | i'll just put it in db_dependent | |
| 12:42 | s/ll/d/ | |
| 12:43 | matts | Just a reminder, I think no one took a look at bug 12631 yet... If anyone has the time, or the will, it will be greatly appreciated :) |
| 12:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12631 normal, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Needs Signoff , Inventory: fix "wrong place" and "item not scanned" statuses |
| 12:45 | * cait | thinks we need more hands desperately ... and eyes of course |
| 12:46 | ashimema | or a time machine cait.. |
| 12:46 | cait | or cloning? |
| 12:46 | wahanui | hmmm... cloning is tough though. They need to have the same physical and mental abilities of me now...but they need to gain them instanteously |
| 12:46 | ashimema | then we could pause time for a while to go over the backlog |
| 12:46 | cait | but seriously, sign off queue is huge |
| 12:46 | and in needs qa are lots of good feature sthat take a lot of time to work through | |
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| 12:47 | ashimema | to be fair.. if the sign-off queue was smaller, then the signed-off queue would be large so the poor qa's would be the limiting factor instead. |
| 12:47 | we're stuck either way ;) | |
| 12:48 | cait | yeah, we need hands everywhere... |
| 12:49 | matts | About 12631, it's not a feature, it's fixing a broken behavior ;) |
| 12:49 | Maybe we could hire monkeys | |
| 12:49 | cait | clever monkeys? |
| 12:50 | matts | Not necessarily |
| 12:50 | If we have enough time, any kind of monkeys will do the work | |
| 12:50 | jajm | ashimema, tcohen, patch submitted |
| 12:50 | matts | (as stated in the Infinite monkey theorem : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I[…]te_monkey_theorem ) |
| 12:52 | ashimema | I love that theorum |
| 12:53 | cait | there are also 2 critical bugs in needs sign off |
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| 12:54 | paul_p | @seen magnuse |
| 12:54 | huginn | paul_p: magnuse was last seen in #koha 2 days, 2 hours, 13 minutes, and 1 second ago: * magnuse runs off |
| 12:58 | cait | paul_p: magnuse is on paternity leave |
| 12:58 | paul_p: best to write him an email if you need something | |
| 12:58 | paul_p | really ? I didn't even knew he was pregnant :D :D |
| 12:58 | cait will do (it's a norwegian language problem...) | |
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| 13:49 | ashimema | cait: around? |
| 13:49 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12615: Remove CGI::scrolling_list from marc_subfields_structure.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d6598114c55a582cd> / Bug 12487 [QA Followup] - GetContract must return undef with no params <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5a16847474fe23aac> / Bug 12487: SQLHelper replacement - C4::Contract <http://git.koha-co |
| 14:10 | cait | khall: ping :) |
| 14:10 | ashimema: yep now again | |
| 14:19 | tcohen | hi cait |
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| 14:20 | cait | hi tcohen |
| 14:20 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12654 Correct incorrectly quoted regexp <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b1af6b2aebc50a13c> / Bug 12661: Fixing capitalisation from "Item Type" to "Item type" <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4b9ea9f0a089b3123> / Bug 9221 - contact note not showing <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]it;a=commitdiff;h |
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| 14:30 | cait | tcohen: we filled up your queue again :P |
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| 14:44 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 14:45 | Seeing as some people are on facebook. I thought I'd point out a new group I was directed to: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1470467196524189/ | |
| 14:45 | It's a Koha Philippines group. :) | |
| 14:52 | tcohen | yay! for the first time the QueryParser tests passed for Ubuntu 14.04 |
| 14:53 | * tcohen | would like to know which the rnd for hash order randomization in Perl 5.18 is |
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| 15:04 | mtompset | tcohen: You mean the way hashes are ordered isn't deterministic and the same across Perl versions? |
| 15:05 | tcohen | the way hashes are ordered is not deterministic at all |
| 15:06 | older Perl versions might have had a fixed seed, or no randomization at all | |
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| 15:35 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11905 - when editing item, cursor is positioning in search box and not to item <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d712e55f5e780d703> / Bug 11888: Random password suggestion does not work twice <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]693b3089ebc721fda> |
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| 16:05 | ashimema | @seen pianohacker |
| 16:05 | huginn | ashimema: pianohacker was last seen in #koha 19 hours, 53 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <pianohacker> hi rangi |
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| 16:13 | mtompset | Greetings, ashimema. |
| 16:13 | ashimema | @later tell pianohacker give me a bell when your about mate.. want to clarify a few shib bits related to your auto-provisioning stuff |
| 16:13 | huginn | ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:13 | ashimema | hi mtompset |
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| 17:27 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7462 - duplicate patron shows flags <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]61d052651600bdc0a> / Bug 10155: Patron search should remember search type options selected <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a6ae13e940195b6b3> / Bug 7237 - duplicating patron not using patron's branch <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=ko |
| 17:38 | oleonard | Preparing screenshots of my test system would be a lot easier if I didn't have to make sure that EVERYTHING looks EXACTLY like our production system. Otherwise they'll latch on to the tiniest difference and focus only on that. |
| 17:38 | Me: "Here is a new feature where you can..." Librarians: "OH MY GOD THE DATE FORMAT IS DIFFERENT." | |
| 17:40 | http://cdn.arwrath.com/3/320975.gif | |
| 17:55 | JesseM | LOL |
| 17:57 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12662: (follow-up) Ajax-based check in does not work for some system preference... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a61e57cb8b6f3f2b6> / Bug 12662: Ajax-based check in does not work for some system preference settings... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]19032befae66fc5e0> |
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| 18:05 | tcohen | anyone with MARC21 for serials knowledge? |
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| 18:11 | mtompset | My sympathies, oleonard. :) |
| 18:11 | oleonard++ # nice animated gif. :) | |
| 18:13 | * cbrannon | is now away - Reason : Lunch |
| 18:32 | gaetan_B | bye |
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| 19:08 | mtompset | Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. |
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| 19:19 | ashimema | ok.. random question to throw out there to people |
| 19:20 | when mapping one thing to another and providing a default for when one end of the mapping is empty whats clearer | |
| 19:20 | <A default="thing">B</A> | |
| 19:20 | or | |
| 19:21 | <A is="B">default</A> | |
| 19:23 | cait | i like the first |
| 19:23 | hm how does ldap do it? | |
| 19:25 | jcamins | ashimema: the second is closer to how data binding systems like Angular do things. |
| 19:26 | But that's not a vote. | |
| 19:26 | ashimema | the second is how ldap does it |
| 19:27 | I see.. so doing it the second way is 'generally more consistent with how it's done elsewhere'.. I wondered why ldap did it that way as it seems totally unclear to me. | |
| 19:28 | jcamins | Well, "is" may be the worst label EVER. |
| 19:30 | cait | what ldap is missing, is being able to map from something to a koha code |
| 19:30 | like a patron category code | |
| 19:30 | that would be really helpful | |
| 19:31 | or a branchcode | |
| 19:32 | jcamins | cait: ldap is also missing a certain pleasantness of usage. |
| 19:32 | wahanui | okay, jcamins. |
| 19:32 | ashimema | hmm.. |
| 19:32 | jcamins | ldap? |
| 19:32 | wahanui | it has been said that ldap is missing a certain pleasantness of usage. |
| 19:32 | pianohacker | ah, so say the LDAP sends something like 'a' or 'b', mapping that to 'cat_a' or 'cat_b'? |
| 19:32 | ashimema | well is was going to add in some basic string manipulation to the shibboleth config.. |
| 19:32 | of the lines | |
| 19:33 | <userid is="email" regex="s/@somewhere.com//g">default</userid> | |
| 19:33 | maybe a further followup could be something like | |
| 19:34 | jcamins | pianohacker: I was thinking something more along the lines of mapping the configuration of LDAP to an API request to send the poor benighted soul doing it a stiff drink. But that might be good too. |
| 19:34 | ashimema | <userid is="uid" is_really="ccode">default</userid> |
| 19:34 | pianohacker | jcamins: unless everclear is legal in NY I don't think it would be strong enough |
| 19:34 | jcamins | pianohacker: I don't think it is. Good point. |
| 19:36 | ashimema | another followup I was thinking of was allowing a config based upon finding a particular field and value.. |
| 19:37 | ie. if found attribute called affiliation with value student use one set of mapping.. | |
| 19:37 | if found attribute called affiliation with value staff use another set of mapping. | |
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| 19:51 | cait | ashimema: that would work too |
| 19:52 | pianohacker: yeah basically hte codes in koha and the codes in ldap don't always match but now they have to, some flexibility there would be good | |
| 19:53 | ashimema | you almost need a submap cait.. |
| 19:54 | cait | yeah it doesn#t fit into a one liner |
| 19:54 | more like an if/else construct | |
| 19:54 | ashimema | a map to map 'words' returned by ldap/shibboleth attributes to code/words in koha. |
| 19:54 | that could lead to one very complex config file :( | |
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| 19:59 | ashimema | lost you there guys.. |
| 19:59 | silly irc | |
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| 20:14 | rangi | morning |
| 20:14 | nengard | hiya |
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| 20:19 | rangi | http://www.buzzfeed.com/bradesposito/nz-billboard it's general election time |
| 20:33 | ashimema | @later tell matts that final update to the shibboleth patch is ready when you are mate.. Thanks for testing :) |
| 20:33 | huginn | ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
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| 20:42 | tcohen | hi |
| 20:42 | wahanui | hey, tcohen |
| 20:42 | tcohen | @seen wizzyrea |
| 20:42 | huginn | tcohen: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 18 hours, 45 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> boo. |
| 20:43 | tcohen | @later tell wizzyrea I need a google maps plugin in the community wordpress |
| 20:43 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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| 21:24 | wizzyrea | hi tcohen |
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| 21:24 | wizzyrea | did you have a specific one in mind? |
| 21:25 | (it's ok if you don't. Some requirements might be nice though.) | |
| 21:32 | tcohen | wizzyrea: yes! this one https://wordpress.org/plugins/google-maps-widget/ |
| 21:32 | haven't tried it yet | |
| 21:32 | but looks it does the job | |
| 21:32 | thanks! | |
| 21:32 | wizzyrea | what is the main goal? Just show a map? |
| 21:33 | * wizzyrea | is nosy |
| 21:35 | tcohen | wizzyrea: i need to put two maps for the kohacon section |
| 21:35 | those locations I sent to the list, actually | |
| 21:35 | (in reply to nicole) | |
| 21:35 | wizzyrea | *nod* |
| 21:47 | mmm actually I don't think that does what you think it does | |
| 21:47 | that puts maps in a widget. You want them on a page eh | |
| 21:47 | tcohen ^ | |
| 21:48 | * tcohen | doesn't understand the difference heh |
| 21:48 | wizzyrea | :) sok, that's my job. |
| 21:48 | tcohen | widgets are stuff you move around ? |
| 21:49 | "put this widget showing this on the left" | |
| 21:49 | ? | |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | widgets go in certain areas of the site that are (usually, but not always) visible on every page (or type of page) |
| 21:49 | example, sidebars or footers. | |
| 21:50 | pastebot | "wizzyrea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "I think you want to simply embed this in the page instead" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/124 |
| 21:50 | wizzyrea | (for example) |
| 21:51 | you can get at that by clicking the gear at the bottom right, and selecting "share and embed" | |
| 21:51 | tcohen | ah |
| 21:51 | wizzyrea | then pick the tab "Embed map" |
| 21:52 | you may want to use google.com for your maps so they don't come out in ... is it portuguese? | |
| 21:52 | tcohen | ah |
| 21:52 | wizzyrea | or spanish? I'm sorry to be ignorant. |
| 21:52 | tcohen | spanish |
| 21:52 | wizzyrea | spanish :) |
| 21:53 | does that seem like what you were looking for or... | |
| 21:53 | am I totally wrong | |
| 21:54 | tcohen | wizzyrea: that looks like what I need |
| 21:54 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
| 21:54 | tcohen | \o/ |
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| 22:26 | cait | good night #koha |
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| 22:27 | pianohacker | @later tell ashimema push finally done |
| 22:27 | huginn | pianohacker: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:41 | eythian | hi |
| 22:41 | wahanui | salut, eythian |
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| 22:48 | tcohen | hi eythian |
| 22:58 | * dcook | waves to awake folk |
| 22:59 | rangi | hi dcook |
| 23:00 | dcook | yo rangi |
| 23:09 | tcohen | my wishes for the utf-8 general fix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NRmYzLrvfM |
| 23:15 | rangi | :) |
| 23:16 | tcohen: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing_when#Arriving i added hotel info to here and mailed the list | |
| 23:22 | dcook | Exciting! |
| 23:22 | * dcook | hopes folks have a good time at Kohacon14 |
| 23:40 | tcohen | rangi: excellent |
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