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| 00:45 | Mahdi joined #koha | |
| 00:46 | Mahdi | Hi there |
| 00:46 | I am new to Koha, just installed it and got it up and running to test things out. However I'm having issues cataloging new books | |
| 00:46 | anybody here who can assist me | |
| 00:49 | eythian | wahanui: ask |
| 00:49 | wahanui | Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 00:52 | Mahdi | lol k |
| 00:53 | basically I tried using z39.50 search to import a book | |
| 00:53 | and then i filled in the mandatory fields and saved it | |
| 00:53 | and later hit add item | |
| 00:53 | thinking it works | |
| 00:53 | but then it doesn't show up in the catalogue search | |
| 00:54 | eythian | I have to go for lunch, but describe your koha and linux installation/versions and the actual process you're using and the results you get, and someone may be able to make suggestions. |
| 00:59 | Mahdi | running Koha version 3.15.00.052. Using an AWS EC2 64 bit debian squeeze server. |
| 00:59 | I just set installed things using linux commands I found online | |
| 01:00 | and now with an empty instance I wanted to start adding books | |
| 01:00 | rangi | hmm where did you get 3.15 from? |
| 01:01 | Mahdi | i added the URL http://debian.koha-community.org/koha to my sources.list |
| 01:02 | and then using some command instructions i found online i installed | |
| 01:02 | rangi | did you follow http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze ? |
| 01:02 | Mahdi | apt-get update |
| 01:02 | yes essentially | |
| 01:05 | rangi | in that case, either zebra isnt running, or youve done something that stops the cronjobs running, or they are running with the wrong permissions, as otherwise it woudl show in your search results after 5-10 mins |
| 01:06 | Mahdi | i just realize that the about koha page says zebra server seems to not be available |
| 01:06 | wizzyrea | ah koha-start-zebra might fix you up then |
| 01:06 | eythian | there is no 3.15.00.052 in the packages |
| 01:07 | Mahdi | ok i gotta go will try that command later |
| 01:07 | appreciate the help | |
| 01:07 | thanks | |
| 01:08 | rangi | eythian: yeah i was puzzled by that too |
| 01:08 | wizzyrea | seems odd. |
| 01:09 | eythian | unless 3.16 in squeeze-dev identifies itself like that, but that'd be unexpected |
| 01:09 | rangi | nope master is 3.17.000 |
| 01:10 | eythian | master is ahead |
| 01:10 | as it doesn't build, last I looked. | |
| 01:12 | rangi | if you made one from master before 3.16 was released |
| 01:12 | and havent since | |
| 01:12 | then yes it will be 3.15 | |
| 01:13 | master always is on odd numbers | |
| 01:13 | eythian | I think it was an RC |
| 01:14 | koha-common 3.16~git+20140521105956.3f9a8ccc | |
| 01:14 | rangi | yeah pre release, so yep that will be 3.15.something |
| 01:18 | * jcamins | finds himself wondering how on earth someone ends up with squeeze-dev by accident. |
| 01:20 | eythian | our $VERSION = '3.15.00.052'; ... yep, that's it |
| 01:20 | I'm curious how my package is labeled 3.16 then, it usually comes directly from that. Maybe I did it by hand or something, but it doesn't look like it. | |
| 01:20 | (on the other hand, it's the only explanation | |
| 01:20 | ) | |
| 01:21 | wizzyrea | sunspots. |
| 01:21 | wahanui | sunspots are what you get from staring at the sun for too long |
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| 03:09 | eythian | 3.14.09 uploading |
| 03:10 | uploaded | |
| 03:10 | that was fast | |
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| 05:53 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 05:53 | @later tell tcohen - can i pay in cookies? better not get the RM drunk | |
| 05:53 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 06:33 | cait | @later tell oleonard could you take a look at bug 9043 maybe? |
| 06:33 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
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| 06:58 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 07:10 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 07:11 | sophie_m | hello #koha and cait |
| 07:15 | cait | hi sophie_m |
| 07:28 | ashimema | morning cait |
| 07:28 | morning all | |
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| 07:32 | hahaha | hello |
| 07:33 | vietnam | |
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| 07:34 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 09:41 | willem | hi there, I'm working on a php>mySQL connection to update koha automatically from another database. Someone warned me not to fiddle with koha tables as this might interfere with backups, or shadow files (something about Zebra). Is that indeed the case, or can I freely change info e.g. borrowers details or add borrowers? Thanks, Willem |
| 09:51 | cait | borrowers is pretty safe |
| 09:51 | it depends on the tables | |
| 09:51 | you shoudln't mess with bibliographic data | |
| 09:52 | but not using an existing API has always the danger of things changing on updates | |
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| 09:53 | * magnuse | waves |
| 09:54 | cait | hi magnuse |
| 09:54 | willem | OK thanks, @cait |
| 09:55 | magnuse | kia ora cait |
| 09:56 | cait | hi magnuse :) getting bored already? ;) |
| 09:56 | atheia | Hi magnuse |
| 09:57 | cait | hi atheia :) |
| 10:00 | magnuse | cait: um, nah ;-) just dropping by while mini me is sleeping |
| 10:00 | kia ora atheia | |
| 10:00 | cait | heh |
| 10:22 | ashimema | hi magnuse. |
| 10:41 | magnuse | hiya ashimema |
| 10:41 | * magnuse | runs off |
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| 10:50 | bgkriegel | hi |
| 10:53 | cait | hi bgkriegel :) |
| 10:53 | and bgkriegel++ | |
| 10:53 | bgkriegel | hi cait :) |
| 10:54 | cait | thx for your cgi patches and all the sign offs and ... :) |
| 10:56 | sophie_m joined #koha | |
| 10:56 | bgkriegel | np :), and thanks to you |
| 11:11 | ashimema | tcohen++ for taking up the slack in writing some ldap tests |
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| 11:21 | marcelr | hi #koha |
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| 11:27 | clrh | hello all |
| 11:27 | khall: I am just asking why bug 11988 is "blocked" ? what does it mean ? | |
| 11:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11988 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, BLOCKED , Display basket group close date on late orders |
| 11:28 | clrh | because "depends on" ? |
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| 11:49 | cait | clrh: taking a look |
| 11:49 | hi marcelr :) | |
| 11:50 | marcelr | hi cait |
| 11:50 | cait | clrh: i thik because of the needs sign off on the depending bug |
| 11:50 | clrh: because it can't be pushed before the other bug starts moving | |
| 11:50 | marcelr | cait, clrh: not sure if keeping things in blocked is a great solution for that |
| 11:51 | cait | marcelr: the other way is that it is in the pqa - but can't be pushed |
| 11:51 | i think it was moved to stop people getting irritated by it | |
| 11:51 | clrh | yep ok cait I understand, thanks ;) |
| 11:52 | cait | marcelr: not ideal yes, but not sure we have another way to indicate - not yet |
| 11:52 | marcelr: i hope the conflict on your patches was not too big | |
| 11:52 | marcelr | not really |
| 11:52 | cait | we have quite a few bigger things waiting |
| 11:53 | clrh | if someone look at "blocked" when something is pushed, it is ok |
| 11:53 | marcelr | yeah well hopefully the author still remembers :) |
| 11:54 | cait | true |
| 11:55 | marcelr: Joubu had asked me to take a look at 2 patches for marc modfications, do you think you might have time to look at those? | |
| 11:55 | marcelr | depends |
| 11:55 | for most on the amount of time needed | |
| 11:55 | cait | i will show you the bug numbers one sec |
| 11:56 | bug 11319 | |
| 11:56 | bug 11413 | |
| 11:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11319 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Marc modification templates improvements |
| 11:56 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11413 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Marc modification template has not the expected behavior if the condition and source fields are on the same field | |
| 11:56 | cait | i am not sure if it touches your area, probably not, but I haven't checked |
| 11:57 | i am aiming to start work on bug 11126 this week again | |
| 11:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11126 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Make the holds system optionally give precedence to local holds |
| 11:57 | marcelr | ok i will try to look at those this week somewhere |
| 11:58 | cait | that would be cool |
| 11:58 | i have family visiting this week, so not a lot of time overall, so not sure how far i will get | |
| 11:58 | marcelr | no guarantees :) |
| 11:59 | cait | none expected:) |
| 11:59 | just let me know if you can't make it at all, and i can check with you when done with the other... | |
| 11:59 | i am a bit scared of everything touching holds | |
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| 12:01 | marcelr | holds is fun :) |
| 12:01 | ashimema | any apt pinning pros here today? |
| 12:02 | marcelr | two turns on the left please :) |
| 12:02 | cait | apt ? |
| 12:04 | jcamins | ashimema: the trick is to use large pins. |
| 12:05 | ashimema | ;) |
| 12:05 | thanks jcammins.. | |
| 12:05 | jcamins | What are you trying to pin? |
| 12:05 | ashimema | trying to pin it such that our koha-common only pulls from our local koha repo.. but still allows the dependances from the community repo. |
| 12:06 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 12:06 | ashimema | of course the better approach would probably be to actually build the dependancies into our local repo too.. but i've not got to that yet. |
| 12:06 | jcamins | I did that before. |
| 12:06 | ashimema | :) |
| 12:06 | that's good news | |
| 12:06 | jcamins | I don't see why you need to build the dependencies. |
| 12:06 | Not that I can remember where I did it. | |
| 12:09 | ashimema | at the moment to run your own repo, you have to include both your repo and the community repo to pull koha-common dependencies from. |
| 12:09 | but yeah.. by haivng the community repo in my sources too.. by default when they update their pacakges, then they get higher version number than mine so get installed nuking our customisations.. | |
| 12:10 | all good fun playing with pacakges. | |
| 12:10 | jcamins | Yeah, but if you have pinning configured it's not a problem, and who wants to repackage things unnecessarily? |
| 12:10 | ashimema | indeed.. |
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| 12:11 | ashimema | just means I've got to get my head around pinning again.. one of those things I touch about once every couple of years at the moment. |
| 12:11 | cait | hm wasn't there a kopa-deps package or similar once? |
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| 12:14 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ashimena: I think?" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/119 |
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| 12:30 | ashimema | thanks jcammins.. i'm getting closer with that as a guidline.. |
| 12:30 | but I don't think 've got here yet. | |
| 12:31 | do you happen to know of any documentation that says what the different things you can put after 'release' are? | |
| 12:31 | I've seen o=, n= and a= so far.. | |
| 12:31 | not sure what any of them mean. | |
| 12:31 | jcamins | I do not. |
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| 12:33 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:34 | hi cait | |
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| 12:35 | ashimema | aha.. found it in the docs.. it's cryptic.. but its there |
| 12:35 | morning tcohen | |
| 12:35 | tcohen | hi ashimema |
| 12:36 | cait | good morning tcohen |
| 12:37 | tcohen: what prompted the jag comment you left for me? :) | |
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| 12:42 | cait | hello oleonard :) |
| 12:42 | tcohen | hi oleonard |
| 12:43 | oleonard | Hi |
| 12:43 | tcohen | ldap? |
| 12:43 | wahanui | it has been said that ldap is checked first, then it falls back to local Koha authentication |
| 12:43 | tcohen | ldap? |
| 12:43 | wahanui | ldap is checked first, then it falls back to local Koha authentication |
| 12:44 | tcohen | ldap configuration? |
| 12:45 | cait, ashimema: link to LDAP configuration sample? | |
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| 12:45 | ashimema | as in a configuration you can test against.. or just an example of a configuration? |
| 12:46 | tcohen | an example configuration |
| 12:46 | for writing unit tests | |
| 12:46 | cait | tcohen: i am not able to test aganst ldap |
| 12:46 | :( | |
| 12:46 | ashimema | There's a basci example of how to configure it in the perldoc for Auth_with_ldap.pm |
| 12:46 | cait | ashimema might be more helpful |
| 12:46 | ashimema | i believe |
| 12:46 | tcohen | i'll mock the ldap conexion |
| 12:46 | cait | i believe so too |
| 12:46 | and some in koha-conf i think? | |
| 12:47 | ashimema | awesome.. I took a quick look at the ldap::mock module thne got your email.. |
| 12:47 | thanks for looking into it tcohen. | |
| 12:47 | cait | ashimema can then resuse your work for shibboleth *hides* |
| 12:47 | ashimema | indeed.. |
| 12:47 | I need to get my head around tests in general, then write them for shib too | |
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| 13:12 | pastebot | "ssa" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "cataloque problem" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/120 |
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| 13:25 | cait | ashimema++ |
| 13:25 | ashimema | what I do? |
| 13:25 | cait | i won't tell :P |
| 13:29 | druthb | cait++ |
| 13:33 | cait | he did do something! |
| 13:34 | druthb | Wait, I need a *reason* to ++ you, cait? Who knew? |
| 13:52 | ashimema | hehe |
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| 14:10 | fALSO | Hi there! |
| 14:10 | Im having a little problem: on OPAC, when acessing a Subscription record, and clicking in "Serial colletion" | |
| 14:10 | Template process failed: undef error - Invalid local time for date in time zone: Europe/Lisbon | |
| 14:10 | Has anyone had this problem ? | |
| 14:11 | cait | fALSO: sorry, haven't seen that so far |
| 14:11 | which version are you using? | |
| 14:12 | fALSO | 3.14.08.000 |
| 14:12 | cait | hmm |
| 14:13 | fALSO: does it happen for every subscription or only a special one? | |
| 14:13 | fALSO | It was already reported on the ML but no fix- from what it seems |
| 14:13 | cait | i haven't seen it on the list, hard to tell |
| 14:13 | fALSO | http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]on-td5774440.html |
| 14:14 | 2011-09-14T11:09:01 <agJohn> In case anyone's interested, the mess with the "Invalid local time for date in time zone" seems to be resolved by upgrading to the 0.70 version of DateTime.pm. | |
| 14:15 | found this on a log | |
| 14:15 | cait | ah |
| 14:15 | i am not here all the time :) | |
| 14:15 | even if some people might say something else | |
| 14:15 | fALSO | But I installed Koha via apt-get |
| 14:15 | I cant force a upgrade of a module... | |
| 14:16 | khall | patches to update rss.pl to TT submitted! Bug 9000 |
| 14:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9000 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , misc/cronjobs/rss/rss.pl uses HTP |
| 14:20 | cait | khall++ |
| 14:20 | fALSO: i think best would be to file a bug | |
| 14:20 | on bugzilla | |
| 14:21 | with your findings | |
| 14:28 | khall: around? | |
| 14:28 | khall | yo |
| 14:30 | fALSO | Well that "fix" doesnt work |
| 14:30 | package DateTime; | |
| 14:30 | { | |
| 14:30 | $DateTime::VERSION = '0.75'; | |
| 14:30 | } | |
| 14:30 | I already have a "newer" version that 0.70 | |
| 14:31 | than that | |
| 14:32 | Interested on the backtrace? - some it if | |
| 14:32 | http://pastebin.com/q5TbnyE3 | |
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| 15:12 | nengard | hey all do we have minimum required versions for Perl and MySQL for Koha? http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ |
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| 15:13 | cait | nengard: i think we normally add to the release notes if a newer version is required |
| 15:13 | nengard | okey dokey, will check there |
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| 15:14 | jcamins | Perl 5.10, and MySQL 5+. But really if you use MySQL 5.0 your life will be sad so you should use 5.5. |
| 15:16 | nengard | thanks jcamins |
| 15:16 | jcamins | And there was a report of MySQL 5.6 not working, but that was also a non-Debian-based distribution of Linux, so I don't know if that's a hard and fast rule. |
| 15:16 | And, of course, MariaDB works just fine too. | |
| 15:17 | Hm. I'm using MariaDB 5.5 and not 10.0, so I have no idea if MariaDB 10.0 works. | |
| 15:17 | Maybe tcohen has tested it. | |
| 15:18 | * tcohen | is setting a Debian 7 + MariaDB node for jenkins, but haven't tried it yet |
| 15:19 | tcohen | There are known issues with MySQL 5.6, and it is discouraged |
| 15:20 | nengard | I'll tell the library that's asking 5.5 |
| 15:26 | tcohen | nengard: 5.6 changed some policy that prevents some stuff we usually do get done |
| 15:26 | cait | ah |
| 15:26 | that was the webinstaller problem? | |
| 15:27 | tcohen | yes |
| 15:36 | jcamins++ | |
| 15:46 | cait left #koha | |
| 15:54 | tcohen | do we have test::mockobject¿ |
| 15:58 | ashimema: could you please add me to the QA Trello board? | |
| 15:58 | (so I can put my comments there? | |
| 16:00 | ashimema | done ;) |
| 16:05 | hmm.. no cait. | |
| 16:05 | wahanui | well, no cait is here |
| 16:15 | * oleonard | is reminded of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Infocom game in which the player (as Arthur Dent) has in his inventory "No tea" |
| 16:33 | gaetan_B | bye! |
| 16:34 | gerundio | hey everyone |
| 16:34 | wahanui | everyone is, like, doin' the hot new dance the Cracked Out Kitty Tail Shiver |
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| 16:34 | gerundio | tricky problem about Koha underlying date time parse |
| 16:34 | http://www.timeanddate.com/tim[…]/lisbon?year=1979 | |
| 16:34 | according to that source after 23:59:59 on the 1979-04-01 in Portugal came 01:00:00 | |
| 16:34 | which means that 00:00:00 didn't exist | |
| 16:35 | perl's DateTime::Format::DateParse::parse_datetime throws an error when we insert 1979-04-01 without any timestamp to it | |
| 16:35 | which means that it adds 00:00:00 to verify the date | |
| 16:35 | this is the expected result, but how should Koha respond to this? | |
| 16:35 | I have a subscription starting at 1979-04-01 which results in: Software error: Template process failed: undef error - Invalid local time for date in time zone: Europe/Lisbon | |
| 16:48 | the hour 1979-04-01 00:00:00 doesn't exist but Koha wanted to know if the day 1979-04-01 is valid... and it is | |
| 16:56 | nengard | hi all, is something up with the wiki or is it just me? I don't see the menu on the left or the login link on the top anymore |
| 16:57 | oleonard | Looks okay to me nengard |
| 16:57 | nengard | hmmm |
| 16:57 | my computer pissing me off lately | |
| 16:57 | be right back | |
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| 16:59 | nengard | okay all back to normal |
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| 19:21 | nengard | oleonard any chance you have a good tutorial on how to make a 2 column responsive table that I could put in the opacmainuserblock |
| 19:25 | oleonard | Responsive in what way nengard? |
| 19:25 | nengard | so that the 2 columsn become 1 if necessary |
| 19:25 | columns | |
| 19:25 | cait | one moving below the other? |
| 19:26 | nengard | yes |
| 19:26 | sorry for being unclear | |
| 19:29 | oleonard | nengard: You probably don't want a table, you probably want to use one of the built-in Bootstrap layouts |
| 19:33 | * oleonard | is trying to find a good example |
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| 19:37 | pastebot | "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "2 equal-width columns which stack if necessary" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/121 |
| 19:37 | nengard | I used the word 'table' loosely :) |
| 19:38 | so bootstrap has that built in?? That span6 says to make it 2 equal columns? | |
| 19:38 | and if so is there documentation on that? So like if I wanted 3 columns or 4 or whatever | |
| 19:38 | oleonard | nengard: Yes. 6 of 12 total columns. |
| 19:38 | nengard | omg!!! |
| 19:38 | oleonard | nengard: You can use any number of spanX divs adding up to 12 |
| 19:41 | nengard | that is SOOO Awesome :) |
| 19:41 | I think that might be a call for a tutorial article | |
| 19:41 | :) | |
| 19:41 | cait | oleonard: do you need css to tell it when to break or is that already done? |
| 19:42 | oleonard | The default Bootstrap CSS has a built in breakpoint for it but I'm not sure what the exact number is off the top of my head |
| 19:43 | Bootstrap 3 offers better control for more than one breakpoint | |
| 19:43 | cait | hm i haven't really worked with responsive stuff yet |
| 19:43 | but i will have to learn :) | |
| 19:43 | nengard | oleonard++ |
| 19:43 | cait | so would i want to accopany that html with some css to make it do waht i want? |
| 19:43 | tcohen | @later tell ashimema i've pushed my work on ldap tests to my github repo, named qa_8148_ldap |
| 19:43 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:44 | tcohen | @later tell ashimema it is WIP, but I'm getting closer |
| 19:44 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:44 | cait | or should it behave reasonably fine in that use case without doing more? |
| 19:45 | oleonard | You just have to test it to see if the built-in breakpoint works well for you. |
| 19:45 | tcohen | cait: please behave |
| 19:45 | * pianohacker | just came up with an evil master plan |
| 19:45 | cait | oleonard: ok :) |
| 19:45 | and i am looking for bootstrap and breakpoints if i want to change it | |
| 19:45 | tcohen: what did i do? | |
| 19:45 | anyway... brb :) | |
| 19:45 | tcohen | "16:44 <cait> or should it behave reasonably fine..." |
| 19:46 | pianohacker | I can get the web-based syntax highlighting editor library I'm using for Rancor integrated by adding it to the system preferences editor! muahaha |
| 19:46 | tcohen | bye #koha |
| 19:46 | pianohacker | this calls for a celebratory espresso, brb |
| 19:47 | tcohen | pianohacker++ |
| 19:47 | oleonard | What are you using pianohacker? |
| 19:47 | ashimema | cheers tcohen.. |
| 19:47 | pianohacker | oleonard: codemirror (http://codemirror.net/). It's pretty magical |
| 19:47 | oleonard | Oops. I have to leave! |
| 19:48 | ashimema | Interesting enough pianohacker.. |
| 19:48 | i've got a branch doing exactly that somewhere.. | |
| 19:48 | it's at least a couple of years old mind ;) | |
| 19:48 | made the html, css and jscript block much nicer to edit.. | |
| 19:49 | though I never thought it would get in without a more reaosnable need for the library (like your rancor project) so iwas doing the oposite.. waiting for rancor to get in ;) | |
| 19:50 | cait | heh |
| 19:53 | ashimema | I tell a lie pianohacker.. it was ace code editor I played with.. not codemirror.. |
| 19:53 | https://github.com/mrenvoize/K[…]s/ace_integration | |
| 19:53 | I look forward to seeing it done 'properly' though ;) | |
| 19:54 | codemirror is an awesome project.. I'd love to see it in koha. | |
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| 20:04 | pianohacker | hi ashimema :) |
| 20:04 | how's the shib stuff going? | |
| 20:04 | ashimema | it's all good fun mate.. |
| 20:05 | I've been back on it again relatively recently.. | |
| 20:05 | the base patch has morphed a bit with bug fixes here and there as I've come across them.. | |
| 20:05 | We're using it in production in a few places now.. even have it working on a multi-tenancy setup via pacakges! | |
| 20:06 | I need to write some unit tests for it before it'll ever pass QA though.. | |
| 20:06 | cait | and on my test server :) |
| 20:06 | ashimema | and I'de like to put some of the base work for allowing you to select matching attribute through the config as early as possible.. currently that's very hackish.. |
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| 20:06 | ashimema | how about you pianohackers.. hows your world. |
| 20:07 | s/pianohackers/pianohacker/ | |
| 20:08 | I'll need to rebase your patches on it at some point too.. | |
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| 20:08 | ashimema | I opened up a couple of bugs a while back with your code in.. for auto-provisioning and staff client.. |
| 20:09 | the staff client one I think will need some hacking.. but the auto-provisioning I think should re-apply reasonably easily | |
| 20:10 | pianohacker | oh, excellent. |
| 20:12 | cait | pianohacker: how is rancor? |
| 20:12 | ashimema | Hope you don't mind.. I grabbed your commits from your repo and pushed them up to bugzilla for those patches.. so I could continue to work on them.. but give you initial attribution |
| 20:13 | pianohacker | cait: good, currently redoing the macro language due to some intellectual property concerns |
| 20:14 | cait | ah yeah |
| 20:14 | that would be better | |
| 20:14 | pianohacker | ashimema: don't mind at all :) |
| 20:14 | cait | jus tdon't want too long with submiting |
| 20:14 | i really want to see it happen for 3.18 | |
| 20:14 | i tihnk macro could go separate maybe? | |
| 20:14 | pianohacker | same |
| 20:15 | the macro stuff is leading some refactoring that really needed to happen, but we'll see. I'm trying to get another patchset done before school starts | |
| 20:31 | ashimema | intellectual property aye.. |
| 20:31 | they didn't like you ripping off their macro language then.. | |
| 20:31 | I always find that a bit of an odd complain.. hey your making your app compatible with ours.. don't do that. | |
| 20:32 | I suppose in this case your taking away their custom. | |
| 20:34 | pianohacker | well, it wasn't a sure thing, but I was talking to the funding company onsite and they mentioned that the license had something against that |
| 20:34 | I think the new one is much better anyway, but I'm biased | |
| 20:35 | ashimema | nice. |
| 20:35 | well documented too I presume ;P | |
| 20:36 | I'm really looking forward to having a really standardised macro language for our marc manipulation. | |
| 20:36 | pianohacker | it will be :) |
| 20:36 | here, let me throw the example I made into a pastebin | |
| 20:36 | ashimema | would love to see some of the bulk modification stuff start to use it so we have one way to do it throughout. |
| 20:37 | awesome.. | |
| 20:37 | wahanui | That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, ashimema |
| 20:37 | * ashimema | is getting really distracted tonight.. these upgrades are going to take forever. |
| 20:38 | pastebot | "pianohacker" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ashimema: new rancor macro language (wip)" (45 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/122 |
| 20:47 | ashimema | looks interesting pianohacker.. |
| 20:47 | I can't remember the original syntax to be fair so have nothing to compare to ;) | |
| 20:49 | pastebot | "pianohacker" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ashimema: original" (74 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/123 |
| 20:49 | pianohacker | and OCLC's is, as far as I can tell, built on Visual Basic :P |
| 21:17 | ashimema | I see.. |
| 21:18 | Your syntax is certainly less verbose.. but I'm feeling it's going to be more complex to learn. | |
| 21:19 | pianohacker | yeah, that's the tradeoff |
| 21:20 | ashimema | all good fun.. |
| 21:20 | I'd have probably stuck with the keywords from crud.. create, read, update and delete.. but then I've been working with restful api's too much of late ;) | |
| 21:21 | how do you navigate in your syntax.. and can you still copy/paste? | |
| 21:21 | ah.. yeah.. first line for copy/paste.. | |
| 21:21 | * ashimema | feels silly for missing that |
| 21:21 | ashimema | actually..the copy paste syntax is much much nicer.. I like. |
| 21:22 | pianohacker | the main idea was to allow actual text manipulation |
| 21:22 | 260c = {260c} [electronic editiony | |
| 21:22 | typo aside there's the idea | |
| 21:23 | ashimema | how would you go about changing just the seocnd occurence of a tag? |
| 21:24 | is there a 'next' keyword for instance? | |
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| 21:25 | pianohacker | currently none. there's some ideas on referring to specific subfields but nothing for specific tags yet. still fleshing out that part |
| 21:25 | ashimema | coolios.. |
| 21:25 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 21:25 | ashimema | well it all looks very interesting.. |
| 21:25 | mtompset | Greetings, ashimema. |
| 21:25 | ashimema | will follow it with baited breath. |
| 21:25 | hi mtompset | |
| 21:26 | mtompset | Has anyone ever made a change to a template page, only to have the unchanged source still show up on the page when you reload it in the browser? |
| 21:26 | This is rather frustrating, and I'm positive I forced the reload. | |
| 21:27 | cait | ? |
| 21:27 | are you looking at the right opac template? | |
| 21:28 | the right file? | |
| 21:28 | which one is it? | |
| 21:28 | jeff | occasionally. good idea in that case to 1) ensure that your browser isn't being annoyingly cache-happy, 2) ensure that the file you're editing is the same across all servers (if dealing with a multi-server/multi-brick/whatnot setup) [er, possibly disregard #2 -- this is #koha and not #evergreen) and 3) ensure that you're editing the right file in the first place -- i've made that mistake more than twice. |
| 21:29 | (surprisingly, quite similar troubleshooting steps despite my confusion over which channel i was reading) | |
| 21:30 | mtompset | Actually, I opened up IE and it displayed the correct change, so I suspect Firefox is caching on me. |
| 21:30 | Any idea on how to tell Firefox to stop it? | |
| 21:34 | There... much better. :) | |
| 21:35 | cait | what did you do? :) |
| 21:35 | mtompset | It was caching the page. |
| 21:35 | I forced firefox to clear its cache. | |
| 21:35 | and reloaded the page. | |
| 21:40 | And it is the offline circulation page... I was looking at bug 10466. | |
| 21:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10466 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, RESOLVED FIXED, Lists: Use "size" as names/hash keys leads to an unexpected results when using Template::Toolkit (name of a virtual method there) |
| 21:40 | mtompset | I mean 10446. |
| 21:40 | I mean bug 10446. | |
| 21:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10446 trivial, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , System preference maxoutstanding is poorly named |
| 21:57 | cait | hmmm |
| 21:57 | someone else seeing broken diacritics in marcxml exports from the detail page? | |
| 21:59 | mtompset | is this on a hidden record? :) |
| 21:59 | cait | hm a normal one in opac |
| 21:59 | mtompset | no hidden items involved? |
| 22:00 | cait | hm i don't think so |
| 22:00 | mtompset | let me see... broken diacritics... |
| 22:00 | detail page. | |
| 22:00 | wahanui | i think detail page is great |
| 22:00 | cait | all other exports are ok |
| 22:00 | the only one giving me trouble is marcxml | |
| 22:01 | <subfield code="a">The Räuber</subfield> | |
| 22:02 | that should have been: The Räuber | |
| 22:03 | mtompset | so export in MARCXML? |
| 22:05 | cait | yep |
| 22:05 | mtompset | But isn't ä ä? |
| 22:07 | I have the same ugliness... my diacritics view just fine looking at the marcxml file in IE, but I have the &#...; encoding. | |
| 22:08 | cait | hm |
| 22:08 | confusing | |
| 22:08 | i am not sure if this is a bug or not, but i don#t rmember it doing this in 3.12 | |
| 22:08 | i use the marcxml export a lot to check files | |
| 22:09 | hm i am wrong | |
| 22:09 | it's like this there too | |
| 22:09 | i think it#s time to sleep | |
| 22:10 | mtompset | Have a good rest, cait. :) |
| 22:11 | cait | thx! |
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| 22:19 | eythian | hi |
| 22:21 | ashimema | I must be up late... |
| 22:21 | there's an eythian at the beginning of his day instead of the end.. I don't see that very often these days. | |
| 22:21 | hi | |
| 22:22 | eythian | heh |
| 22:22 | hiya | |
| 22:26 | ashimema | at some point, when I'm more awake, eythian I may want to pick your brains about packages and adding shibboleth support to them. |
| 22:27 | eythian | shibboleth the authentication system? |
| 22:27 | ashimema | the bit I've not worked out.. tbh not looked at yet.. is that I'de like to add commented vhost configs per instance to the virtualhosts during koha-create. |
| 22:28 | yes.. shibboleth as in authentication | |
| 22:28 | eythian | Oh OK. |
| 22:28 | ashimema | :) |
| 22:28 | eythian | that probably wouldn't be too hard. |
| 22:28 | ashimema | my patches have been slowly working their way to being pretty stable.. |
| 22:28 | eythian | Hey, do you happen to know M5? I want to move the templates to that at some stage. |
| 22:29 | Maybe this could be an excuse... | |
| 22:29 | ashimema | erm.. pass I'm afraid. |
| 22:29 | eythian | ah well |
| 22:29 | ashimema | got a link? |
| 22:29 | eythian | it'd actually look almost the same as it would now, but will let us do a bit more |
| 22:30 | oh, M4, not M5. | |
| 22:30 | http://mbreen.com/m4.html | |
| 22:31 | ashimema | ahh.. I see |
| 22:31 | cool | |
| 22:31 | pianohacker | eythian: the only quirk with shibboleth as we've figured out how to do it is that it depends on an external daemon (shibd). Not a new thing but a quirk to deal with |
| 22:31 | ashimema | another one to add to my list of things to learn. |
| 22:31 | pianohacker | eythian: and is this the same terror involved in autoconf? |
| 22:31 | eythian | ashimema: I used it for something else a few years about, it took about 10 minutes of skimming the docs to understand it. |
| 22:32 | pianohacker: other daemons are fine, the init system will manage them. | |
| 22:32 | ashimema | indeed.. it does rely upon the standard packaged shibboleth service provider packages in debian. |
| 22:32 | eythian | pianohacker: yeah, and sendmail configs. |
| 22:32 | ashimema | it shouldn't matter in the packages though.. |
| 22:33 | eythian | No, I wouldn't think so. |
| 22:33 | pianohacker | so... not necessarily bad in of itself but we have a couple slightly overcomplicated examples to avoid? |
| 22:33 | eythian | yeah |
| 22:33 | pianohacker | and are you talking about the .tt files or the config file templates? |
| 22:34 | ashimema | we'd just need to document that to use it, you'de need to uncomment the vhost configuration bit.. add some config to koha-conf (like you already have to for the ldap auth's and similar) and install the shibboleth daemon packages.. |
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| 22:35 | eythian | so at the moment we're doing sed search-and-replace, instead of doing that we'd emit some defines, but I think this'll let us turn on/off blocks or comments in a nicer fashion. |
| 22:35 | pianohacker: the config file templates | |
| 22:35 | ashimema | sounds useful |
| 22:35 | pianohacker | ahhh, okay. Yeah, that's definitely better than our current hacked-together system |
| 22:36 | ashimema | indeed... |
| 22:36 | eythian | it won't allow updating config files, though I see magnus has done some stuff towards that. |
| 22:36 | (for koha-conf specifically) | |
| 22:36 | ashimema | go magnus++ |
| 22:36 | I wish I had more time to work on koha at the moment.. | |
| 22:36 | eythian | ashimema: what vhost configuration does it require? |
| 22:37 | ashimema | currently It all quick dives in and out for upgrades. |
| 22:37 | for single instance it's a simple | |
| 22:38 | <Location /> | |
| 22:38 | AuthType shibboleth | |
| 22:38 | require valid-user | |
| 22:38 | </Location> | |
| 22:38 | or some such.. | |
| 22:38 | but for multi-instance you'de need to set an applicationID for shibboleth to bind to. | |
| 22:38 | eythian | Oh, I see |
| 22:39 | https://ftp-master.debian.org/[…]-perl_1.03-1.html <-- pianohacker, that made it to the NEW queue once I fixed up some issues | |
| 22:39 | ashimema | so.. for example I have the following in one of our multi-tenant systems |
| 22:39 | # Optional Shibboleth Configuration | |
| 22:39 | Alias /shibboleth "/home/koha/shibboleth/" | |
| 22:39 | <Location /> | |
| 22:39 | ShibRequestSetting applicationId bmcc | |
| 22:39 | AuthType shibboleth | |
| 22:39 | ShibRequireSession Off | |
| 22:39 | #Require valid-user | |
| 22:39 | Require shibboleth | |
| 22:39 | </Location> | |
| 22:40 | pianohacker | thanks eythian! |
| 22:40 | ashimema | though I'de need to remind myself what all that does before advising to use it yet ;) |
| 22:40 | pianohacker | I really don't think I can convince mod-gzip to do this, so that's really helpful |
| 22:40 | ashimema | you using shib in multi-tenant anywhere piano |
| 22:40 | pianohacker | no, not at the moment. Can't you tie the application ID to the URL in the shib config, though? |
| 22:41 | ashimema | you can indeed.. but it makes the configuration at the shibboleth deamon end much much much more difficult and error prone. |
| 22:42 | I've found tiling to applicationID's a massive amount easier. | |
| 22:42 | pianohacker | haha I'll take your word for that. I walk a very narrow path through the shib docs and try to ignore the darkness on either side |
| 22:43 | ashimema | yeah.. unfortunately I've had a rather large number of implementations for it recently. |
| 22:43 | have ended up delving far deeper than i'de have liked to ;) | |
| 22:43 | eythian | I didn't realise it was very common at all |
| 22:43 | ashimema | pretty much all the uni's in the UK use it now.. |
| 22:43 | and allot of the big firms use it.. we have a few law firms with it. | |
| 22:44 | pianohacker | yup, shibboleth is (unfathomably) the easiest way to tie into a lot of other auth systems |
| 22:44 | using a second piece of middleware one of our clients is authenticating users in Koha against active directory (automatically!) | |
| 22:44 | ashimema | on the other hand.. I'm yet to hear of a single place in the UK using CAS... so it wouldn't surprise me if it's a rpetty british thing to use shibboleth |
| 22:45 | indeed.. we have shib's authenticating against active directory.. openid.. google account, facebook accounts. | |
| 22:45 | it's a remarkably used system over here. | |
| 22:46 | eythian | interesting. Here we're usually doing LDAP/AD |
| 22:46 | pianohacker | ashimema++ |
| 22:46 | ashimema | I've got a few test IdP's up these days.. means I can login to a fairly large number of our koha customer using my google login credentials ;) |
| 22:46 | pianohacker | ^ needs to be said. I was trying to do SAML directly, and he pointed me at it in a chance conversation at KohaCon '13 |
| 22:47 | eythian | We've been talking about implementing SAML into Koha for years now. |
| 22:47 | ashimema | We have a fair few ldap's too.. but peeps seems to be getting skittish about the security of their username/password going onto remote servers. |
| 22:47 | shibboleth = saml in my book.. | |
| 22:47 | pianohacker | Don't try to do it using Net::SAML or Net::SAML2. The first is confusing and doesn't support SAML 2, the second is nice and easy but very limited |
| 22:47 | ashimema | it's a common misconception in my opinion that they are different things.. |
| 22:48 | pianohacker | but they are, though |
| 22:48 | ashimema | saml is the actual token that gets passed around.. shibboleth is how it gets passed.. |
| 22:48 | pianohacker | SAML's a protocol, shibboleth is a tool that implements it |
| 22:48 | eythian | We're also looking at doing SSO within an AD environment some time soonish (SSO, not just authentication.) It actually looks fairly easy and we have one of the Samba devs on staff here.0 |
| 22:48 | ashimema | that's my understanding. ;) |
| 22:48 | pianohacker | oh heh jinx :) |
| 22:48 | eythian | I didn't know that |
| 22:48 | ashimema | shibboleth/saml is sso ;) |
| 22:49 | pianohacker | eythian: how are you looking at passing credentials from client -> server? |
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| 22:49 | pianohacker | our client used Okta's browser plugin -> Okta -(SAML)> Shibboleth -> Koha |
| 22:49 | eythian | pianohacker: some magic I don't understand. Mostly it'll be done by apache. |
| 22:49 | ashimema | for instance.. that law firm I was talking about.. they login to their windows computer at the beginning of the day and don't have to type a password for the rest of their day. |
| 22:49 | eythian | I think it's an IE/NTLM thing |
| 22:50 | ashimema | We didn't have to worry about that side.. but yeah.. they're also using IE/NTLM |
| 22:51 | crazy clever stuff.. | |
| 22:52 | would be awesome to understand how it works with samba though.. if you get around to it ;) | |
| 22:54 | pianohacker.. are your shib customers all using cardnumber or userid to match upon? | |
| 22:54 | eythian | Apparently it's pretty easy, an apache module just passes the username to Koha if it's valid, like SSL client certs, or basic auth do. |
| 22:54 | ashimema | we've got a few that are using email and now I'm seeing a need for matching to an extended patron attribute.. |
| 22:54 | pianohacker | ashimema: userid/email |
| 22:55 | eythian | matching an extended attribute? That sounds messy. |
| 22:55 | ashimema | take it your just using the basic patch then.. which currently checks whatever is passed to it against cardnumber.. then if no match userid (and you must have added email) |
| 22:56 | I'm wanting to add 'which should I match against' t the config but haven't gotten around to it yet. | |
| 22:57 | shouldn't be that messy to include one of the extended attributes eythian.. afterall, you can set an attribute to be enforced unique. | |
| 22:57 | eythian | I did that for the SSL client cert stupport |
| 22:57 | ashimema | we use attributes in a few cases as a match point for some institutions for our background user data updates. |
| 22:57 | eythian | there's a syspref for it |
| 22:57 | ashimema | is the the pki_auth stuff. |
| 22:57 | is the the pki_auth stuff? | |
| 22:59 | eythian | yeah |
| 23:01 | ashimema | I shall take a look for inspiration ;) |
| 23:03 | hmm.. no auth_with_pki :( | |
| 23:03 | I assume that means it's all in Auth.pm | |
| 23:04 | eythian | I think so. It's been some years since I wrote it |
| 23:05 | ashimema | If I were to refactor Auth.pm.. one of the first things I'd do is to try and factor out a fair chunk of that code ;) |
| 23:05 | haha.. | |
| 23:05 | but that's just a dream ;) | |
| 23:06 | I think any code that's around 2000 lines in one file is usually a tangled mess that can be split into more manageable chunks. | |
| 23:07 | eythian | yeah |
| 23:07 | really, it needs plugins or something | |
| 23:07 | ashimema | indeed it does.. |
| 23:07 | eythian | so you can just switch on the auth methods you want |
| 23:07 | ashimema | the Auth_with_x series isn't terrible.. but their not great either to be fair |
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| 23:14 | pianohacker | It'd be kind of nice if Koha had a standard hook/lightweight AOP system |
| 23:14 | tcohen | night |
| 23:15 | * tcohen | thinks mvc could be a good start |
| 23:15 | pianohacker | Koha::Hook->attach('before_checkpw', sub { ... }) # for standard registered hooks |
| 23:15 | a good idea, by far, though it addresses a different piece imo | |
| 23:16 | this could be a nice way to make CanBookBeIssued, for instance, a lot less messy | |
| 23:16 | eythian | I'm somewhat sceptical about AOP, it seems like it'd make debugging harc. |
| 23:16 | d | |
| 23:16 | It's like INTERCAL's COMEFROM statement. And no one wants to be like INTERCAL in real life. | |
| 23:18 | pianohacker | haha yeah. That's why I'd say a more formal hook system would be a bit better |
| 23:18 | * ashimema | shows his lack of a computing background by not really knowing what aop is |
| 23:18 | pianohacker | Being able to just throw extra code before/after/around subs would be kind of cool but terrible to debug, yes :) |
| 23:18 | ashimema: http://www.javacodegeeks.com/2[…]ction-to-aop.html something like this, but with less java | |
| 23:19 | eythian | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COME_FROM <-- perhaps this for more context :) |
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| 23:20 | pianohacker | "Threaded Intercal?" dear lord |
| 23:20 | eythian | hi there papa |
| 23:20 | * ashimema | runs away scared |
| 23:35 | tcohen | ashimema: did you get some time to look at my branch? |
| 23:35 | ashimema | had a very quick peak.. |
| 23:36 | tcohen | https://github.com/tomascohen/[…]tree/qa_8148_ldap |
| 23:36 | ashimema | I left a comment on github actually.. |
| 23:36 | idn't have time to really 'think' about the test though.. only comment was to point at where I'de started as we seemed to be going in different directions to start with.. | |
| 23:37 | no actually sure my comment make things better of worse though | |
| 23:37 | tcohen | how do i see the comment? |
| 23:37 | ashimema | it's a comment on the last commit |
| 23:37 | https://github.com/tomascohen/[…]31eaaabaa8a20b7dd | |
| 23:38 | basically I didn't get very far at looking at using Test::Net::LDAP::Util to Mock an LDAP server.. | |
| 23:38 | looks like your building a mock ldap object instead if I'm reading it right. | |
| 23:40 | tcohen | i am |
| 23:41 | ashimema | after reading your code I wasn't sure which approach made more sense to me.. ;) |
| 23:41 | sorry.. I've not been of much help really. | |
| 23:43 | tcohen | i like that lib |
| 23:43 | i'm not sure how would we control its behaviour, htou | |
| 23:43 | it seemed to me that we used a small set of methods/output vals | |
| 23:43 | and having them mocked with Test::MockObject gave us more control | |
| 23:43 | anyway, I like the lib | |
| 23:44 | if you want to work with it, reuse my config mock | |
| 23:44 | ashimema | Yeah.. MockObject is certainly more controllable from our end.. but with that it's also more complex to setup? |
| 23:45 | I've not delved deep enough into that lib yet to work out whether we'de actually come up against it's limits. | |
| 23:46 | tcohen | ashimema: just take a look at the "bind" method for Test::Net::LDAP::Mock, it only returns a successful bind |
| 23:47 | so, we cannot write a regression test for the current bug :-D | |
| 23:49 | ashimema | ah.. yeah.. I see now.. |
| 23:49 | that's actually pretty usless.. | |
| 23:50 | I hadn't got that far down the page yet :( | |
| 23:50 | that's a shame.. it would have been great to have such a mocking tool | |
| 23:50 | prebuilt | |
| 23:56 | tcohen | ashimema: i agree |
| 23:57 | the lib would work for !auth_by_bind, |
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