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| 00:02 | eternalsword | not sure pianohacker, I do remember seeing some warnings related to foreign keys during the import of the phpmyadmin export. didn't see any of those in the mysqldump export. |
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| 03:03 | wizzyrea | phew glad you got that sorted out. |
| 03:07 | dcook | Who runs koha-devel these days? |
| 03:07 | It says BibLibre? | |
| 03:08 | eythian | I think it is |
| 03:08 | not totally sure though | |
| 03:08 | dcook | Dinger :/ |
| 03:09 | eythian | yeah, it's hosted by a french company, so the odds are good. |
| 03:10 | @wunder nzwn | |
| 03:10 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (3:00 PM NZST on July 23, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
| 03:13 | dcook | Whelp...not getting any emails from it now when I should...good times |
| 03:13 | Or they're just incredibly slow... | |
| 03:14 | There that should be better... | |
| 03:15 | @wunder sydney, australia | |
| 03:15 | huginn | dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 16.0°C (1:00 PM EST on July 23, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling). |
| 03:15 | dcook | What the... |
| 03:15 | wahanui | i heard the was a stop word |
| 03:15 | * dcook | expected blue sky |
| 03:15 | eythian | dcook: I just got your email from it. |
| 03:15 | dcook | Sort of a grey/brown, I guess |
| 03:15 | eythian | well, some time recently anyway |
| 03:15 | dcook | eythian: About the service stuff? |
| 03:15 | eythian | yeah |
| 03:15 | dcook | Cool |
| 03:15 | I was trying to change options using the email interface | |
| 03:15 | eythian | oh ah |
| 03:16 | dcook | Worked out int he end :) |
| 03:16 | in the* | |
| 03:16 | eythian | your emails don't thread properly, btw |
| 03:16 | you're presumably using some non-standard mail client | |
| 03:16 | dcook | Define properly? |
| 03:16 | I use Outlook and it has about a million threading options | |
| 03:16 | eythian | well, they don't thread. |
| 03:16 | dcook | Hmm |
| 03:16 | That's interesting | |
| 03:17 | eythian | http://i.imgur.com/W1o4YkH.png |
| 03:17 | see yours are all out of whack | |
| 03:17 | oh, outlook. | |
| 03:17 | wahanui | it has been said that outlook is poor. |
| 03:18 | eythian | yeah, that is poor. |
| 03:18 | It doesn't add the threading headers that most of the rest of the world uses. | |
| 03:18 | dcook | Hmm |
| 03:19 | wizzyrea | also, outlook? really? |
| 03:19 | dcook | It's what we use at work |
| 03:19 | Mail, calendars, etc. | |
| 03:19 | Not really a big fan of Thunderbird... | |
| 03:19 | I suppose I could use Claws O_O | |
| 03:20 | wizzyrea | http://ohheyitsaj.com/wp-conte[…]2013/11/belle.gif |
| 03:20 | dcook | I think I managed to download my webmail and send myself an GPG encrypted message with Claws before I fully transitioned to using Linux at home |
| 03:20 | hehe | |
| 03:21 | That's actually quite disturbing the longer you watch it... | |
| 03:23 | eythian | well, tbf, you're not really using outlook for mail. You're getting it to abuse and offend our well-meaning email clients :) |
| 03:23 | dcook | Thread-Topic and Thread-Index? |
| 03:23 | Haha | |
| 03:23 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 03:23 | dcook | Well, what do you folks use for email? |
| 03:24 | eythian | Outlook structures the References: header wrong |
| 03:24 | wizzyrea | @quote add eythian: you're not really using outlook for mail. You're getting it to abuse and offend our well-meaning email clients. |
| 03:24 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #307 added. |
| 03:24 | eythian | it puts the second last email first |
| 03:25 | and sometimes doesn't include it at all | |
| 03:26 | * dcook | is still curious about the superior technologies :p |
| 03:27 | eythian | Oh, I use evolution, because it has calendar stuff built in. |
| 03:27 | I sometimes use thunderbird | |
| 03:27 | wizzyrea | Thunderbird, but I will eventually change to evolution |
| 03:27 | eythian | I used to use mutt. |
| 03:27 | wizzyrea | one day when I've just had enough of it's nonsense. |
| 03:27 | its* | |
| 03:27 | eythian | One day I might change back to it, but I'd spend a day configuring. |
| 03:28 | dcook | Hmm, perhaps I'll take a look at evolution sometime |
| 03:28 | I think there's some talk about switching to Linux for our desktops at some point | |
| 03:28 | I like the command line, but I don't know if I could use mutt | |
| 03:28 | Maybe after a bit of getting used to it... | |
| 03:29 | What was I using a while ago...mailx? | |
| 03:29 | eythian | mutt is fairly different to mailx |
| 03:30 | dcook | I hope so |
| 03:30 | eythian | like, really very different |
| 03:31 | dcook | Hmm, screenshots make it look tolerable |
| 03:33 | eythian | http://www.abc.net.au/news/201[…]ush-blitz/5615440 <-- dcook |
| 03:36 | dcook | Neato! |
| 03:37 | Spiders are rather rad | |
| 03:37 | eythian | well you sure did move to the right country |
| 03:39 | http://uncovercalifornia.com/c[…]-new-genus-spider <-- it is particularly leggy | |
| 03:41 | dcook | Apparently! I don't notice too many here in Sydney. I can't remember the names of most of them either. The ones in our garden are pretty harmless. There was a huntsman patrolling our front windows as well, and he was pretty harmless. |
| 03:41 | I think I've seen maybe two deadly ones out in the street? | |
| 03:41 | * dcook | researches |
| 03:41 | eythian | Just hanging out in the streets |
| 03:43 | dcook | Mmm, maybe just one |
| 03:43 | Well, it looked like it was a bit drunk | |
| 03:43 | Lounging against a brick wall on a sidewalk | |
| 03:44 | I suppose a lot of the spiders here are considerably larger than the ones back home, so it's fairly easy to see and avoid them. | |
| 03:45 | Mind you, I don't live in Queensland.. | |
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| 04:20 | wizzyrea | I am glad that I live in a place with very few spiders. |
| 04:20 | few *dangerous spiders. | |
| 04:20 | cjh | nice save :) |
| 04:20 | wizzyrea | plenty of friendly spiders |
| 04:20 | cjh | wizzyrea: fear the daddy long legs. |
| 04:20 | wizzyrea | pft. |
| 04:20 | cjh | and little jumpy ones. |
| 04:21 | wizzyrea | you live with Brown Recluses for a while and let me know how you feel about dangerous spiders. |
| 04:21 | they are squish on sight. | |
| 04:21 | http://www.quickmeme.com/Misunderstood-Spider/ | |
| 04:21 | ^ one of my favourite memes | |
| 04:22 | http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/db[…]82c00caa8dba0.jpg | |
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| 06:47 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:47 | wahanui | hola, reiveune |
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| 06:55 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:55 | wahanui | niihau, alex_a |
| 06:57 | eythian | wahanui: circular logic is <reply>circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because |
| 06:57 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
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| 07:16 | Joubu | hello |
| 07:18 | eythian | hi Joubu |
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| 07:39 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 07:39 | atheia | Good morning cait, #koha |
| 07:39 | cait | good morning alex :) |
| 07:40 | eythian | hi cait |
| 07:40 | cait | mornign eythian |
| 07:40 | why are you still here? :) | |
| 07:41 | eythian | want to get borrowers imported into a system that I'm migrating so that they can be there for tomorrow morning's training. |
| 07:41 | nearly there. | |
| 07:42 | cait | :) |
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| 07:46 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:02 | cait | Remember: today is UTF-8 GBSD |
| 08:02 | everyone testing and weihging in on bug 11944 welcome! | |
| 08:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 |
| 08:03 | eythian | wahanui: latin-1 is enough for everybody |
| 08:03 | wahanui | ...but latin-1 is default mysql.... |
| 08:03 | cait | wiki: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]F8_in_development |
| 08:03 | eythian: don't make me grumpier! :) | |
| 08:03 | eythian | :D |
| 08:12 | Joubu | Yes, not sure to understand why we absolutely want to use utf-8, there is no proof that it's a good encoding... |
| 08:14 | eythian | should use Big-5 instead. |
| 08:16 | * eythian | & |
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| 09:24 | fridolin | hie all |
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| 09:44 | cait | hi ztajoli |
| 09:44 | ready to test? :) | |
| 09:44 | gmcharlt: ping | |
| 09:45 | ashimema: ping | |
| 09:52 | gerundio | good morning |
| 09:52 | jcamins, is the link_bibs_to_authorities.pl script at /usr/share/koha/bin an alternative to koha-auth or should I ignore it? | |
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| 10:00 | dpavlin | how can I help to move Bug 11944 along? Especially, how can I sign-off it? Attaching SO patches to bugzilla? |
| 10:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 |
| 10:06 | cait | hi dpavlin :) |
| 10:06 | dpavlin: i think there is an unresolved issue with facets, but Joubu will know more | |
| 10:06 | ping Joubu | |
| 10:06 | nice to see you :) | |
| 10:07 | i updated the wiki page a bit: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]F8_in_development | |
| 10:07 | i think the issue is described in the comments from paola on the bug | |
| 10:08 | Joubu | cait: I don't know more, but yes, resort and facets seem still broken |
| 10:08 | and I don't know how to correctl yfix the issue | |
| 10:09 | dpavlin | OK, I will try to work on it... |
| 10:11 | Joubu | dpavlin: IMO if we fix this issue, nothing could block the push :) |
| 10:12 | ( dpavlin, it's great to see you here! ) | |
| 10:13 | dpavlin | I don't quite understand facet problems: for me links works, but result page from facet has broken encoding |
| 10:13 | is this manifestation of problem or am I missing something? | |
| 10:14 | Joubu | dpavlin: I don't remember exactly. What I remember is: launch a search, click on 2,3 facets, click on [X] to remove a facet, resort, play with facet again |
| 10:14 | something is broken in this workflow | |
| 10:16 | cait | i think any broken encoding that shows up today should be fixed - so if the result page for you is broken, need ti fix that too :) |
| 10:16 | Joubu | it's caused by uri_escape in C4::Search and the use of TT filtrer (template level) and uri_escape in pl script (search.pl / opac-search.pl) |
| 10:16 | something is wrong in the combinaison of all these stuffs | |
| 10:43 | ztajoli | hi, i'm here |
| 10:48 | The two sandboxes 6 and 16 are updated to last code ? | |
| 10:49 | Joubu | ztajoli: not really, |
| 10:49 | commit abd6de7da1f5c33694fc4a29a4e7f7f6aa2c222e | |
| 10:49 | Author: Tomas Cohen Arazi <tomascohengmail.com> |
|
| 10:49 | Date: Mon Jul 14 16:29:38 2014 -0300 | |
| 10:49 | Bug 10519: (followup) unit tests leave problematic cruft | |
| 10:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10519 major, P3, ---, abl, Pushed to Master , Suggestions: 'Organize by' and correct display of tab descriptions broken |
| 10:49 | Joubu | + 11944 |
| 10:50 | to test 11944, you can consider it's master | |
| 10:54 | cait | dpavlin++ thx! |
| 11:14 | jcamins | gerundio: link_bibs_to_authorities.pl is a script for linking bibs to authorities. I don't know exactly what koha-auth does, so I can't comment on whether you can use link_bibs_to_authorities instead. |
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| 12:07 | khall | mornin all! |
| 12:07 | I just filed bug 12632 | |
| 12:07 | I'm looking for input, I've proposed 4 different solutions to the issue | |
| 12:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12632 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , Hold limits ignored for record level holds with item level itemtypes |
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| 12:09 | oleonard | Hi everyone |
| 12:13 | cait | you are alive! |
| 12:13 | oleonard: we missed you | |
| 12:13 | oleonard: tcohen wanted to send a search party | |
| 12:13 | oleonard | Thanks :) |
| 12:14 | khall | cait: oleonard: Joubu: I would appriciate your input on bug 12632 if you have a minute to read it. |
| 12:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12632 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , Hold limits ignored for record level holds with item level itemtypes |
| 12:14 | cait | khall: bit pressured on time today, not sure when i will get to it |
| 12:15 | and it's holds... | |
| 12:15 | *sigh* | |
| 12:15 | that needs a working brain | |
| 12:15 | khall | cait: this is only a bug report, I've come up with 4 ways to fix it and I need help choosing the right one |
| 12:16 | cait | could you nudge me again after the first dev meeting? |
| 12:16 | khall | ; ) |
| 12:16 | will do! | |
| 12:23 | oleonard | khall: If item-level_itypes is on why would you need another system pref for hold rules? |
| 12:26 | khall | oleonard: that is the worst solution I came up with |
| 12:26 | oleonard | :D |
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| 12:27 | khall | I think solution 4 may be the best one, or solution 2 which is simpler to implement ( but assumes biblio level itemtypes are set ) |
| 12:28 | oleonard | Today is dev meetings and GBSD? |
| 12:29 | cait | yes |
| 12:34 | ztajoli | I start to test on sandbox. Patron module is OK |
| 12:34 | for bug 11944 | |
| 12:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 |
| 12:37 | oleonard | Is there a general testing strategy to follow? |
| 12:39 | cait | oleonard: i think so far not - i had hoped for some notes on the wiki |
| 12:39 | there have also been comments on the bug - and some on the wiki for known issues | |
| 12:40 | ztajoli: maybe add some notes where /what you tested on the wiki? than owen could take on something else | |
| 12:40 | oleonard: also verifying it fixes the bugs linked to it could be nice maybe | |
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| 12:46 | tcohen | morning! |
| 12:46 | wahanui | morning is a state of cat |
| 12:46 | ztajoli | Added on wiki |
| 12:59 | tcohen | is it GBSD already ? :-D |
| 13:04 | ztajoli | I hope, for me yes |
| 13:06 | bug 10180 resolved by 11944 | |
| 13:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10180 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , [master] Diacritics in Z39.50 search results in acquisitions are broken |
| 13:09 | ztajoli | dpavlin: do I need to test situation about resort and facets ? |
| 13:13 | dpavlin | ztajoli: I just managed to re-create it using query string which has utf-8 in it |
| 13:22 | gerundio | jcamins, one of the features of koha-auth is to link bibs to authorities too |
| 13:23 | I tried running link_bibs_to_authorities.pl but I got 0 biblio records updated | |
| 13:24 | rhcl | @seen coffee |
| 13:24 | huginn | rhcl: coffee was last seen in #koha 41 weeks, 6 days, 16 hours, 13 minutes, and 1 second ago: <coffee> anyone aware of any Koreans planning to attend KC13? |
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| 13:31 | gerundio | jcamins, are you familiar with the link_bibs_to_authorities.pl and the lib/C4/Biblio.pm (sub LinkBibHeadingsToAuthorities in particular) code? |
| 13:33 | tcohen | gmcharlt: around? |
| 13:33 | hmm, its early still | |
| 13:33 | jcamins | gerundio: somewhat, but I can't do any sort of in-depth debugging. I need to work on projects that pay bills. |
| 13:34 | gerundio | of course jcamins, I appreciate all the help you already gave me on this topic |
| 13:35 | ztajoli | Authorized valuses: OK |
| 13:36 | on bug 11944 | |
| 13:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 |
| 13:38 | dpavlin | ztajoli++ |
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| 13:47 | ztajoli | Find a problem on bug 11944 |
| 13:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 |
| 13:47 | ztajoli | http://pro.test6.biblibre.com/[…]s/modborrowers.pl |
| 13:49 | Joubu | ztajoli: what is it? |
| 13:49 | ztajoli | try to use 'patron list: test중tt' |
| 13:49 | you see the error: | |
| 13:50 | Joubu | ztajoli: ok seen |
| 13:50 | ztajoli | an't call method "authorised_value_category" on an undefined value at /home/koha/src/tools/modborrowers.pl line 108. |
| 13:54 | Joubu | ztajoli: http://pro.test6.biblibre.com/[…]?patron_list_id=2 |
| 13:54 | what is this character ? | |
| 13:55 | ztajoli | A korean char (hangul) |
| 13:57 | Hangeul is the name | |
| 13:58 | http://www.omniglot.com/writing/korean.htm | |
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| 14:05 | tcohen | hi guys, do you have a summary of what you found so far? |
| 14:05 | Joubu: how can we provide followups if needed? | |
| 14:06 | oleonard | Should new bugs be filed if we find problems? |
| 14:06 | rhcl | 중 is a syllable consisting of three korean letters |
| 14:09 | tcohen | Joubu: search results are expected to be broken, right? |
| 14:12 | Joubu: can you rebase biblibre/ft/bug_11944 into master? | |
| 14:14 | Joubu | tcohen: you can add a followup on the bug report, I will integrate it into the ft branch |
| 14:15 | tcohen: what kind of patch do you have? | |
| 14:15 | tcohen | not just yet |
| 14:16 | Joubu | dpavlin are working on the search issues. The search is working, but some links (the "More" facets for instance, or the resort) are broken |
| 14:16 | oleonard | Joubu: Should we file separate bugs if we find problems or add comments to 11944? |
| 14:17 | Joubu | oleonard: depending on what you found. If it is blocked, it should be added to 11944. Otherwise another report could be great |
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| 14:20 | gaetan_B | bye! |
| 14:21 | Joubu | ztajoli: what you described come from the fact you use 'λλλ' as patron category code. |
| 14:22 | oleonard | If I find a UTF-related bug which exists both in master and biblibre/ft/bug_11944 should it be filed as a bug which blocks 11944? |
| 14:22 | Joubu | ztajoli: C4::Members::AttributeTypes::GetAttributeTypes_hashref should be rewrite. Could you please open another bug please? |
| 14:22 | oleonard: maybe in the "see also"? | |
| 14:22 | oleonard | Okay |
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| 14:27 | ztajoli | Ok, I open an other bug |
| 14:29 | ashimema | tcohen.. got a minute? |
| 14:30 | tcohen | yes |
| 14:30 | Joubu: why do we need SetUTF8Flag($marc_record); in getRecords(); ? | |
| 14:31 | removing it didn't change the results | |
| 14:31 | (search results are working fine for me now, it was a problem in the record) | |
| 14:33 | Joubu | It fixed a problem on facets and/or resort. But certainly not on the best way |
| 14:37 | tcohen | new_from_zebra uses new_from_xml('UTF-8', ... |
| 14:37 | so i'm not sure it helps | |
| 14:37 | but there might be a bug in MARC::File::XML of course | |
| 14:40 | Joubu | ztajoli: what is the bug report you opened? |
| 14:41 | ztajoli: I don't reproduce your issue on my local instance. It's quite weird. | |
| 14:42 | ztajoli | yes, 12638 |
| 14:43 | the link http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12638 | |
| 14:43 | huginn | 04Bug 12638: minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , UTF-8 support; C4::Members::AttributeTypes::GetAttributeTypes_hashref should be rewrite |
| 14:43 | Joubu | ztajoli: thanks |
| 14:43 | cait | dev meeting in 17 mins |
| 14:43 | ztajoli | it is present on biblibre sandbox n. 6 |
| 14:45 | ashimema | will be back shorlty after the dev meeting starts.. |
| 14:45 | appologies if i'm late in other words ;) | |
| 14:46 | cait | someone with a public twitter account around to send a reminder? |
| 14:46 | Joubu | ztajoli: yes, I have seen it, but I created exactly the same patron attr types on my local machine and the modborrower script works... |
| 14:47 | cait | Joubu: i think galen had suggested to change something about the defaults in the db, could that make a difference? |
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| 14:48 | Joubu | cait: ha ! |
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| 14:55 | Joubu | cait: It is a good lead, but I don't know if it is possible to change the charset on existing DB |
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| 14:55 | Joubu | mysql> ALTER TABLE borrower_attribute_types CONVERT TO CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_unicode_ci; |
| 14:55 | ERROR 1025 (HY000): Error on rename of './test6/#sql-501e_bbc34b' to './test6/borrower_attribute_types' (errno: 150) | |
| 14:55 | does not seem to work :-/ | |
| 14:56 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 14:56 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #278: "jcamins: ... OMGOMGOMG MUST FIX ALL THE THINGS." (added by mtompset at 03:50 AM, September 17, 2013) |
| 14:56 | gmcharlt | Joubu: it does work, but FK contraints have to be disabled first |
| 14:57 | otherwise you can't change the collation of a table that has FK constraints on it | |
| 14:57 | Joubu | gmcharlt: ok |
| 15:00 | cait | ok |
| 15:00 | meeting time | |
| 15:00 | wahanui | it has been said that meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe |
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| 15:00 | cait | #startmeeting Koha IRC Developer meeting, July 23rd, part 1 |
| 15:00 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Jul 23 15:00:27 2014 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 15:00 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer meeting, July 23rd, part 1) | |
| 15:00 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'koha_irc_developer_meeting__july_23rd__part_1' |
| 15:00 | cait | #topic Introductions |
| 15:00 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 15:00 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer meeting, July 23rd, part 1) | |
| 15:00 | cait | please introduce yourself with #info |
| 15:01 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
| 15:01 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 15:01 | ztajoli | #info Zeno Tajoli, CINECA (Italy) |
| 15:01 | bag | #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater |
| 15:01 | khall | #info Kyle Hall, ByWater |
| 15:01 | ColinC | #info Colin Campbell ptfs-europe (UK) |
| 15:01 | barton | #info Barton Chittenden, ByWater |
| 15:01 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre |
| 15:01 | jwagner | #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS |
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| 15:02 | cait | tcohen won't make it to this meeting, but he has told me what he wanted to say :) |
| 15:02 | gmcharlt | #info Galen Charlton, ESI |
| 15:02 | cait | so i will try to relay it all correctly |
| 15:03 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing,_23_July_2014 | |
| 15:03 | today's agenda | |
| 15:03 | wahanui | well, today's agenda is on the wiki |
| 15:03 | cait | #topic RM 3.18 comments |
| 15:03 | Topic for #koha is now RM 3.18 comments (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer meeting, July 23rd, part 1) | |
| 15:04 | cait | tcohen wants to make t/db_dependent/Search.t run for UNIMARC and needs some help on the default mappings for UNIMARC |
| 15:04 | and also records that match the specifics of the MARC21 counterpart records | |
| 15:04 | see t/db_dependent/data/marc21/zebraexport/large_biblio_* | |
| 15:04 | Joubu | I should work on bug 11586 (improve framework and mapping for UNIMARC) |
| 15:04 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11586 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , Better default framework for UNIMARC |
| 15:05 | Joubu | but... I don't know when |
| 15:05 | cait | #info Make tests pass for UNIMARC - needed: help with mappings and test records |
| 15:05 | time is a problem for us all i guess | |
| 15:05 | i will add as info | |
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| 15:05 | cait | #info Work on bug 11586 could help |
| 15:05 | hope that made sense | |
| 15:06 | barton | made sense to me, cait. |
| 15:06 | cait | ok, moving on? |
| 15:06 | #topic Additions to Coding Guidelines | |
| 15:06 | Topic for #koha is now Additions to Coding Guidelines (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer meeting, July 23rd, part 1) | |
| 15:06 | cait | i think people have noticed... i like deprecating things. Today's victim is GRS-1 in favor of DOM indexing |
| 15:07 | i have an RM comment on this: | |
| 15:08 | if we can agree to deprecate it, next steps would be adding it to the coding guidelines, filing an omnibus bug and linking everything missing from DOM and remaining problems with DOM to it | |
| 15:08 | so we can trace what needs to be done to completely remove it | |
| 15:08 | barton | +1 |
| 15:08 | cait | i paraphrased it, i hope he will agree later :) |
| 15:08 | ok, can we get a quick vote? | |
| 15:09 | Do we want to move forward officially deprecating GRS-1 with the first steps listed above? | |
| 15:09 | Joubu | for 3.18? |
| 15:09 | cait | i am not sure if we can achieve that totally, but we could enforce dom in a coding guidelines as a first step i think - we don't have one about indexing so far |
| 15:10 | a coding guideline that says you have to provide a dom patch that is | |
| 15:10 | i don't have something on the timeframe from tcohen, so not sure | |
| 15:10 | maybe we can still have the vote on the general idea? | |
| 15:10 | barton | I like the idea. |
| 15:10 | ztajoli | On the general idea, +1 |
| 15:11 | cait | +1 |
| 15:11 | rhcl | #info Greg Lawson |
| 15:11 | khall | +1 |
| 15:11 | cait | +1 for tcohen |
| 15:11 | barton | +1 |
| 15:11 | Joubu | +1 |
| 15:11 | ColinC | I'm not sure that theres much grs specific code but on depreciating it +1 |
| 15:11 | barton | (don't know if that counts as voting twic ;-) |
| 15:11 | cait | #info removing GRS-1 indexing in favor of DOM, first steps: coding guideline, omnibus bug for tracking what needs to be done (remaining issues, needed changes, etc.) |
| 15:12 | gmcharlt | +1 |
| 15:12 | cait | #agreed move towards removing of GRS-1 in favor of DOM |
| 15:13 | can we also agree on having dom mandatory in patches for indexing? | |
| 15:13 | i think we already do that, but it'smissing from the wiki page | |
| 15:14 | Joubu | Isn't it already mandatory? |
| 15:14 | cait | opinions? |
| 15:14 | wahanui | opinions are slightly divded :) |
| 15:14 | cait | Joubu: that#s what i think but we haven't written it down |
| 15:14 | ztajoli | I'm agree on dom mandatory |
| 15:14 | Joubu | It makes sense to add it to the wiki |
| 15:14 | cait | i can't find anything about dom or indexing in the coding guidelines |
| 15:14 | ztajoli | if you want do a aptch on grs-1, but with the same feature/fix on dom |
| 15:15 | s/aptch/patch/ | |
| 15:15 | ColinC | wondering when anyone last saw a grs-1 specific patch |
| 15:15 | cait | I volunteered gmcharlt to think up the coding guideline text for me |
| 15:15 | ColinC: not so far ago actually | |
| 15:16 | well, mostly dom and grs1 now, but still changes to the indexes happen | |
| 15:16 | i know we had some additions for 3.16 | |
| 15:16 | barton | I wonder if we could deprecate make_zebra_dom_cfg_from_record_abs -- if DOM is standard, we should be making changes to the DOM config files, then proting back to GRS-1 if necessary. |
| 15:16 | ColinC | obviously I'm not looking at the right patches |
| 15:16 | it would remove future confusion | |
| 15:17 | barton | s/proting/porting/ |
| 15:17 | dpavlin | #info Dobrica Pavlinusic, FFZG |
| 15:17 | cait | we could say only adding to dom yes |
| 15:17 | gmcharlt | proposed wording: http://paste.lisp.org/display/143215 |
| 15:18 | ztajoli | For me is ok, +1 |
| 15:18 | cait | +1 from me, reads well |
| 15:18 | barton | +1 |
| 15:18 | khall | +1 |
| 15:18 | ColinC | +1 |
| 15:19 | cait | #info proposed wording for new coding guideline: http://paste.lisp.org/display/143215 |
| 15:19 | Joubu | +1 |
| 15:19 | (if that does not break Koha ft) | |
| 15:20 | cait | #agreed coding guideline about deprecating GRS-1 in favor of DOM, wording suggested by gmcharlt |
| 15:20 | anything to add about indexing? | |
| 15:20 | barton | Can we get rid of the record.abs line numbers in biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml as well? |
| 15:21 | abl | #info Jacek Ablewicz, Cracow Univ. of Technology |
| 15:21 | cait | about the script make_zebra_dom_cfg_from_record_abs - you are already supposed not to use it :) |
| 15:21 | hi abl :) | |
| 15:21 | ithink that could be a bug on moving forward to deprecating it | |
| 15:21 | if record.abs goes, the references wouldn't make much sense any mroe i guess | |
| 15:22 | the next topic is a tricky one... | |
| 15:22 | Indenting in templates | |
| 15:22 | indentation in templates? | |
| 15:22 | whatever sounds better to you :) | |
| 15:22 | khall | cait: that makes sense |
| 15:22 | cait | there is some discussion between 2 or 4 |
| 15:22 | spaces | |
| 15:22 | no tabs! | |
| 15:22 | ztajoli | well make_zebra_dom_cfg_from_record_abs is a script to migrate from grs-1 to dom, so it ie same of the last thing to do |
| 15:22 | khall | we need a tidy script for TT, but every time I try to write one I give up |
| 15:23 | cait | ztajoli: i think it was only used for initial move, shouldn't be used now as the file generated is different to the one we have (that's how i understand it at east) |
| 15:23 | oleonard: maybe you can explain? | |
| 15:23 | ColinC | we need to encourage folk to use those new-fangled newline things too |
| 15:24 | oleonard | To my knowledge 4 spaces has always been a de-facto standard in the templates |
| 15:24 | I assumed that since the standard for Perl scripts was 4 that it would be so for templates as well | |
| 15:24 | khall | oleonard: I would agree |
| 15:24 | fridolin | i at biblibre have started to work with DOM |
| 15:24 | cait | #info coding guideline about indentation i perl scripts http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ERL6:_Indentation |
| 15:25 | fridolin | first for our MARC21 clients |
| 15:25 | we will soon start for a unimarc one, lyon3 | |
| 15:25 | cait | the other 'side' has argued that the templates have lots of indentation, os 4 is too many and 2 would be better |
| 15:26 | Joubu | I just have a request: don't fail qa on patches already submited |
| 15:26 | khall | that is a valid point, the templates need far more indentation levels than most perl scripts |
| 15:26 | cait | my understanding is that we have a mix now, with the bootstrap templates all using 4 |
| 15:26 | Joubu: i think that's reasonable :) | |
| 15:26 | Joubu | I think I can find 10 indentation levels in some templates |
| 15:26 | 10*4 ... | |
| 15:26 | * gmcharlt | tosses out an idea |
| 15:27 | gmcharlt | a PostgreSQL-style reindentation at the beginning of each release cycle |
| 15:27 | Joubu | I have a wide screen I don't care :) |
| 15:27 | * gmcharlt | also has a wide screen :) |
| 15:27 | cait | ok, i think i need help to get the joke :) |
| 15:27 | * khall | must need a smaller font |
| 15:27 | gmcharlt | the idea is that we'd write an automatic tool that can pretty up the indentation |
| 15:27 | and apply it at at each erlease cycle | |
| 15:28 | barton | gmcharlt -- there isn't a code beautifier for tt, unfortunately. |
| 15:28 | Joubu | gmcharlt: it will be very bad for patches waiting in the queue... |
| 15:28 | gmcharlt | but in between, *not* sweat changes, except in cases where a patch may need to be tossed back because it is unreadable due to bad indentation |
| 15:28 | khall | gmcharlt: I think the same thing should be done with perltidy on the scripts, but when Paul wanted to do it, it was voted down. |
| 15:28 | gmcharlt | well, to be clear |
| 15:28 | ColinC | Sometimes its harders to decide how to indent in html than code |
| 15:28 | gmcharlt | my proposal is offerred as a compromise |
| 15:29 | my actual preference is that we /not/ do global reindentation | |
| 15:29 | khall | gmcharlt: don't we need an automatic reindenter first? |
| 15:29 | oleonard | I think the last time we talked about a mass Tidy of Perl scripts we didn't have/weren't aware of git's options for ignoring whitespace in diffs and blames |
| 15:29 | gmcharlt | as I prefer that we don't do anything that makes it more difficult to integrate patches |
| 15:29 | cait | agreed |
| 15:29 | i think i can live with both - as long as it's consistent | |
| 15:29 | * khall | has tidied some scripts just to read them |
| 15:29 | gmcharlt | khall: yep, my proposal woudl require that we write one, but we wouldn't need it until the 3.20 cycle begins |
| 15:30 | cait | and there is indentation |
| 15:30 | gmcharlt | and it would also be incumbent on somebody to really cares to write it |
| 15:30 | khall | I'm for it |
| 15:31 | cait | ok, please add ideas as #infos |
| 15:31 | ColinC | We also need to be explicit about what we want it to do |
| 15:31 | oleonard | Do the people who want 2-space indentation in templates want to change the standard for Perl scripts as well? |
| 15:31 | cait | i think probems with git will arise when it changes lines, not just the white space |
| 15:31 | so i would only want it to change whitespace | |
| 15:31 | oleonard | If not, does it really make sense to have two standards? |
| 15:32 | ColinC | I have different standards for apples and oranges |
| 15:32 | khall | I think two space indents for code is perfectly acceptable |
| 15:32 | cait | hm not sure we can reach a conclusion really |
| 15:32 | i like 4 :) | |
| 15:33 | can we get a quick vote on preferences on this? something like 2/4/-/both? | |
| 15:33 | khall | it would be nice if there was a way to know which files are affected by all the patches in process on bugzilla, that way we could perltidy any files that aren't affected on a periodic basis |
| 15:33 | gmcharlt | khall: Joubu put something together that does exactly that |
| 15:34 | barton | The trick with indentation in tt files is that the indentation of the template can fight with the indentation of the html around it. |
| 15:34 | khall | gmcharlt: thanks for letting me know! |
| 15:34 | cait | khall: bz_splitter |
| 15:35 | ashimema | I tidy tt files locally when I'm eiditing them. |
| 15:35 | oleonard | barton: I don't think that matters unless you care about the indentation of the HTML which is sent to the browser (which I don't think we do?) |
| 15:35 | jcamins | Something to consider: if there are two different indenting standards, the people proposing that should probably take the time to write configuration instructions for making that work in commonly-used editors. Otherwise, it just sounds like a barrier to entry for non-expert-level ${TEXT_EDITOR} users. |
| 15:35 | khall | cait: thanks! |
| 15:35 | ashimema | I run the file through a parser to strip out the tt bits.. html tidy them.. then put the tt bits back. |
| 15:35 | cait | hm not getting the URL right right now |
| 15:35 | ashimema | it works reasonably well |
| 15:35 | Joubu | khall: http://splitter.koha-community.org/ |
| 15:35 | cait | i guess one question is: is it worth the trouble? |
| 15:35 | gmcharlt | http://splitter.koha-community.org/ |
| 15:35 | cait | ah thx |
| 15:35 | gmcharlt | cait: IMO, it is not worth the trouble |
| 15:35 | khall | we should have a standard perltidy config, and maybe a vimrc? |
| 15:36 | cait | #link 6ocS88DLK6u7vtw9 |
| 15:36 | eek | |
| 15:36 | #link http://splitter.koha-community.org/ | |
| 15:36 | and... just ignore that string. | |
| 15:36 | fridolin | cait it is greate |
| 15:36 | great :) | |
| 15:37 | i use it a lot to look if a bug is already reported | |
| 15:37 | gmcharlt | my view: if a whitespace problem prevents somebody from working on a patch, they are free to tidy it (in a separate patch) |
| 15:37 | khall | I feel like we should automate this, so we a server somewhere they nightly tidys any tt and perl files that aren't currently affected by patches, and the patch is sent to the rm |
| 15:37 | fridolin | cait: click on Files and enter a text in Search |
| 15:37 | cait | fridolin: i have tried it - it's really nice, just forgot the link :) |
| 15:37 | gmcharlt | but I am really hesitant to go along with putting much effort to do global changes |
| 15:37 | oleonard | khall: We can't automate the process because we haven't settled on a standard yet ;) |
| 15:38 | fridolin | cait: oh ok |
| 15:38 | cait | ok, i think we need to postpone this |
| 15:38 | gmcharlt | and I'm a definite -1 on a *daily* tidying |
| 15:38 | khall | gmcharlt: that has given me problems in the past. If I tidy a section so it's undertandable, then patch the code, it all gets broken by new commits. |
| 15:38 | gmcharlt | if we do anything automatic at all, I don't think it should be more frequently than once a release cycle |
| 15:38 | cait | my personal opinion is - 2 or 4, but consistent for a block of code at least, and spend the time on something like removing SQLHelper or GRS1 :) |
| 15:38 | khall | tidying afterward is not as useful, because I neeed to tidy the code to make it readable |
| 15:38 | ashimema | I'de love to see a mass tidy to start with.. |
| 15:39 | but not a nightly tidy after that.. | |
| 15:39 | khall | gmcharlt: if we tidy on a nightly basis, it keeps patches from having merge conflicts, if we only do it every 6 months, then every 6 months we'll have many patches that no longer apply |
| 15:39 | phasefx2 | attempting mass reindentation caused pain with evergreen, fwiw |
| 15:40 | ashimema | I'de say a tidy should be done before a merge into master for all patches.. jsut my two pence |
| 15:40 | cait | #idea automated tidy at begin/end of release cycle |
| 15:40 | ColinC | I think I've seen an emacs mode that tudies the code every time you save it eeek |
| 15:40 | cait | #idea don't spend time on it :) |
| 15:40 | #idea nightly tidy | |
| 15:40 | gmcharlt | khall: which I'd actually interpret as an argument not to do periodic tidying at all :) |
| 15:41 | cait | #idea no periodic tidying at all |
| 15:41 | ok, I think we need to continue that another time | |
| 15:41 | khall | I don't ; ) |
| 15:41 | I think it's something that we have to suffer through to have better code in the end | |
| 15:42 | Joubu | I have a shortcut in my vimrc, I select lines and perltidy them |
| 15:42 | khall | How about this, if we do a pre-release tidy, then require all patches submitted to be tidied. |
| 15:42 | Joubu | it's very useful for new code/block of code |
| 15:42 | ColinC | As history would disappear would it be Koha 4.1? |
| 15:42 | khall | that is, any file affected by a patch must be tided with a followup. |
| 15:43 | cait | I tihnk we need to move this to the mailing list - please add #idea now if you want to add something |
| 15:43 | * gmcharlt | has yet to see an RFP for an ILS that specified tidy whitespace as an evaulation criteria; IMO, effort is better directed at architectural issues and features, relegating whitespace to local improvements |
| 15:43 | cait | I agree |
| 15:43 | gmcharlt | but yes, cait is right that we should move disucssion to ML |
| 15:43 | cait | thx ;) |
| 15:43 | #topic DBIC | |
| 15:43 | Topic for #koha is now DBIC (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer meeting, July 23rd, part 1) | |
| 15:43 | slef | #info MJ Ray, software.coop, England |
| 15:44 | khall | The idea is to make Koha easier to work on for developers, not for users. |
| 15:44 | cait | i'd like to suggest that we postpone some of the topics to the next meeting as we are running late already |
| 15:44 | khall: that sounds bckwards... | |
| 15:44 | khall | just because it doesn't make Koha more interesting to end users doesn't mean we shouldn't do it |
| 15:44 | cait | dbic is an important topic, but it needs some time i think - would people agree to postpone it? |
| 15:44 | gmcharlt | +1 |
| 15:44 | khall | I'm saying it's easier to read and modify tidied perl code |
| 15:45 | cait | khall: dbic? :) |
| 15:45 | Joubu | what is the topic exactly ? |
| 15:45 | khall | dbic++ As part of the process of moving toward dbic, I have submitted a couple patches to dbic-ify existing perl modules |
| 15:45 | Joubu | all things/questions around DIBC? |
| 15:45 | DBIC | |
| 15:46 | cait | if you want to discuss now it's ok, the nextmeeting would be in 2 weeks as suggestd by tcohen |
| 15:46 | but then we need to move something else to next i think | |
| 15:46 | gmcharlt | I suggest that we defer |
| 15:46 | khall | that's fine by me. |
| 15:46 | cait | i think if there are questions and kyle is around later |
| 15:47 | ztajoli | From me no |
| 15:47 | cait | we can still talk some about it afte the general meeting |
| 15:47 | #topic Bugs | |
| 15:47 | Topic for #koha is now Bugs (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer meeting, July 23rd, part 1) | |
| 15:47 | khall | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12608 |
| 15:47 | huginn | 04Bug 12608: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, BLOCKED , Replace use of DBI with DBIx::Class throughout Koha |
| 15:47 | cait | i will pull up bugs first, and we will see |
| 15:47 | today has been the GBSD for the UTF-8 patch | |
| 15:47 | Joubu: can we get a quick summary? | |
| 15:47 | Joubu | whaou, we skipped DBIC, that's it, seriously? |
| 15:48 | cait | Joubu: i move it to later |
| 15:48 | Joubu | so, bug 11944 has been tested today by some guys |
| 15:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 |
| 15:48 | Joubu | nothing to add |
| 15:48 | some bugs have been found, an bug reports opened | |
| 15:48 | cait | Joubu: any progresson the remaining issues? |
| 15:48 | Joubu | as what I have seen, it's just small/specific issues |
| 15:49 | dpavlin was working on the search issues | |
| 15:49 | dpavlin: ? | |
| 15:49 | oleonard | Any testing advice besides "type weird characters into everything?" |
| 15:49 | Joubu | he has a patch, but it does not fix everything, we need a TT filter uri_escape_utf8, which does not exist (does not provide by TT) |
| 15:50 | cait | oh |
| 15:50 | Joubu | oleonard: no, use all sort of characters everywhere into Koha and verify they displays correctly |
| 15:50 | I think it's a good test plan | |
| 15:51 | cait | ok |
| 15:51 | Joubu | What about testers? ztajoli? |
| 15:51 | dpavlin | I'm about to submit two patches (and sign-off rest of them) which hopefully fix remaining issues |
| 15:51 | Joubu | dpavlin: all remaining issues ? :) |
| 15:51 | khall | idea: have a koha server everyone can log into and create records/patrons/what-have-you using diacritics from his or her language. That test db can be dumped and loaded by qa testers. |
| 15:51 | dpavlin | all known issues :-) |
| 15:51 | ztajoli | After meeting I will test all ACQ and Serial fro 11944 |
| 15:52 | Joubu | dpavlin++ |
| 15:52 | dpavlin | there is search history bug documented at wiki, but I don't see it |
| 15:53 | ztajoli | From monday 28/07 Paola Rossi restart to test bug 11944 |
| 15:53 | cait | khall: i think we could dump the sandboxes maybe after testing is finished |
| 15:53 | but not sure how helpful | |
| 15:53 | Joubu | no, the sandboxes DB don't seem to be good. Facets don't work... |
| 15:54 | khall | cait: I was thinking of something more long term and continuous |
| 15:54 | cait | Joubu: Do you want to say something about Testbuilder? |
| 15:54 | Joubu | yes, a lot |
| 15:54 | Yohann submitted a lot of patches this week. | |
| 15:54 | khall | Yohann++ |
| 15:54 | Joubu | He has 2 'front lines': 1 to replace SQLHerlper with DBIC, another one to simply the write of UT (See email on the ML "TestBuilder", or entry point on bz is bug 12603). |
| 15:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12603 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Needs Signoff , TestBuilder - Module to simplify the writing of tests |
| 15:55 | Joubu | He really needs feedback to continue. He did not want to write and rewrite UT if the general idea is not approved by the community. |
| 15:55 | It would be great if some UT gurus could take a look at his work. | |
| 15:55 | Reminder: it is just a 3-months intership, only 1 remaining.. | |
| 15:55 | that's all :) | |
| 15:56 | cait | #info Yohann is working on replacing SQLHelper with DBIC and simplifying unit test writing |
| 15:56 | #link Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12603 | |
| 15:56 | huginn | 04Bug 12603: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Needs Signoff , TestBuilder - Module to simplify the writing of tests |
| 15:56 | * khall | puts that on the todo list |
| 15:56 | Joubu | the entry point for sqlhelper is bug 11385 |
| 15:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11385 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, ASSIGNED , C4::SQLHelper should be removed |
| 15:56 | cait | info http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11385 |
| 15:56 | huginn | 04Bug 11385: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, ASSIGNED , C4::SQLHelper should be removed |
| 15:56 | Joubu | 4 bugs need SO |
| 15:57 | cait | next one is a discussion on lot item handling |
| 15:57 | the bug is bug 9805 | |
| 15:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9805 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, In Discussion , Lost items are un-lost if returned, but not if renewed. |
| 15:57 | cait | tcohen suggests that we change it to allow/disallow reneal of lost items as an option on the circulation conditions page (not necessarily the big table, but a by branch setting on that page) |
| 15:58 | currently it is about resetting the lost satus (finding he item) when you renew | |
| 15:59 | in my opionion it makes sense to not allow renewal of lost items in the first place, but i am not totally sure how it would impact workflows | |
| 15:59 | khall | that would be a fine solution by me. |
| 15:59 | oleonard | I would think we would need to both allow/disallow renewal of lost item *and* have a preference about whether the status should be removed upon renewal. |
| 15:59 | However I don't speak based on my library's policy, just in the abstract. | |
| 15:59 | cait | i am a bit worried if a patron canremove the lost status by renewing in the opac |
| 16:00 | that would be confusing about the replacement fee already charged | |
| 16:00 | barton | good point, cait. |
| 16:00 | ColinC | Or if you allow phone renewals ... |
| 16:00 | khall | agreed, it's better to block the renewing of lost items altogether |
| 16:01 | cait | maybe people here can update the bug with opinions/ideas? |
| 16:02 | ok, quiet | |
| 16:02 | moving on :) | |
| 16:02 | #topic New status/field for bugzilla - abandoned/for adoption | |
| 16:02 | Topic for #koha is now New status/field for bugzilla - abandoned/for adoption (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer meeting, July 23rd, part 1) | |
| 16:02 | cait | it was an idea for bugs - to make it really clear that someone doesn't intend to continue work on something |
| 16:03 | we have a lot of things in doesn't apply, in discussion, etc. this might apply to | |
| 16:03 | there are patches, but the work won't be continued | |
| 16:03 | oleonard | This would be an additional field, or another value on an existing one? |
| 16:03 | cait | maybe a comment could suffice? but a field would be searchable |
| 16:03 | Joubu | In this case, you just have to remove your name from the "asssignee" field, no? |
| 16:03 | cait | i am not sure what makes most sense |
| 16:04 | Joubu: in theory yes... but people often forget to assign bugs to them too | |
| 16:04 | oleonard | I agree with Joubu. Un-assign yourself and set the status to NEW? |
| 16:04 | cait | maybe we just need to enforce thismore :) it's an idea i wanted to put out there to see what people htink |
| 16:04 | gmcharlt | that may be something to periodically do batch updates? |
| 16:04 | i.e., if X months have passed since the last action on a bug, reset the status | |
| 16:04 | cait | i amnot sure how safely we can do that - and if people might be unhappy by it |
| 16:05 | khall | sounds good to me, I always assign bugs to myself if I plan to work on them. |
| 16:05 | fridolin | see u |
| 16:05 | cait | ok, quick preference vote? separate field/status (s) or use assigned (a)? :) |
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| 16:05 | cait | - for me |
| 16:06 | oleonard | a |
| 16:06 | cait | s from tcohen |
| 16:06 | gmcharlt | -1 to separate status/field |
| 16:06 | * khall | is sure he has a number of "doesn't apply" patches that can be closed out at this point. |
| 16:06 | ztajoli | use assigned for me +1 |
| 16:06 | Joubu | no opinion |
| 16:06 | khall | use assigned for me +1 |
| 16:07 | can we automate an email to the assignee that would warn of the impending status change? | |
| 16:07 | cait | #agreed encourage use of the assigned field - no assignee = open for adoption |
| 16:07 | hope i got that right? | |
| 16:07 | oleonard | Sounds correct to me |
| 16:07 | cait | #idea automate 'unassigning' in some way, batch change, warning email or similar |
| 16:07 | #topic Big stuff we are working on | |
| 16:07 | Topic for #koha is now Big stuff we are working on (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer meeting, July 23rd, part 1) | |
| 16:08 | cait | one of my favs :) |
| 16:08 | Joubu | I sent an email for the VAT RFC, will be on it at the end of August, please have a look BEFORE |
| 16:09 | cait | #info spec for GST/tax rewrite in acq: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/GST_Rewrite_RFC |
| 16:09 | #info Please add comments before end of August! | |
| 16:09 | Joubu: was the deadline in the email? might be good | |
| 16:10 | Joubu | Usually, when I asked for feedbacks, I am waiting for quick feedback :) |
| 16:10 | -ed | |
| 16:10 | cait | people often get moving when you give them a date, in my experience |
| 16:10 | :) | |
| 16:10 | Joubu | cait: I will sent a reminder later ;) |
| 16:11 | cait | i still have to look through it actually, the math scaredme off a bit, but will try again :) |
| 16:11 | ok, khall? | |
| 16:11 | wahanui | it has been said that khall is now travelling home dpk |
| 16:11 | cait | someone else? |
| 16:11 | wahanui | i guess someone else is going to have to look at acquisitions |
| 16:11 | gmcharlt | wahanui: forget khall |
| 16:11 | wahanui | gmcharlt: I forgot khall |
| 16:11 | ColinC | I'm going to release my Edifact ordering branch, it going out to a number of sites so they'll be testing |
| 16:11 | gmcharlt | wahanui: forget someone else |
| 16:11 | wahanui | gmcharlt: I forgot someone else |
| 16:11 | cait | ColinC++ |
| 16:11 | gmcharlt | ColinC++ |
| 16:12 | khall | ColinC++ |
| 16:12 | cait | I am going to test Shibboleth patches with ashimemas help |
| 16:12 | hopefully it will work :) | |
| 16:12 | * khall | is really looking forward to seeing the Edifact code |
| 16:12 | cait | i had added the accounts rewrite...my hope is, that after we have settled the utf-8 patches, maybe we can have another gbsd on that |
| 16:13 | khall | that would be great! |
| 16:13 | Joubu | (TestBuilder is a 'big stuff' Yohann is working on) |
| 16:13 | cait | I am volunteering to start a wiki page to gather workflows/current functionality for testing |
| 16:13 | Joubu: yep, and also the SQLHelper removal | |
| 16:14 | khall | I can tell you we have a number of libraries using the code in production, so it's pretty bullet-proof at this point, the biggest issue is likely to be internationalization ( i.e. diacritics ) |
| 16:14 | cait | but probably will take me 1-2 more weeks to do it |
| 16:14 | Joubu | cait: yes, but the TestBuilder is blocker for him |
| 16:14 | cait | Joubu: so better test thos epatches first? |
| 16:14 | Joubu | yep |
| 16:15 | khall | I think the current accounting system is holding back many libraries who would otherwise be potential Koha adopters |
| 16:15 | cait | #info Please test TestBuilder patches/give feedback on them first - bit higher prio then SQLHelper for now |
| 16:16 | ok, looking for actions from last meeting | |
| 16:16 | #Action from last meeting | |
| 16:16 | tcohen will ask on the mailing list if someone still uses misc/cronjobs/rss/rss.pl - has been done | |
| 16:17 | not sure about the outcome | |
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| 16:17 | Joubu | and ? The patch needs SO, we agree? |
| 16:17 | cait | Joubu: I am not sure we agree - i think some peopel said it doesn't hurt someone so don't remove it |
| 16:17 | ashimema | I think the outcome was that it shuld be updated to tt.. |
| 16:18 | when someone finds a moment. | |
| 16:18 | cait | well that would be best obviously |
| 16:18 | Joubu | so we can remove it and reintroduce it later? |
| 16:18 | :) | |
| 16:18 | cait | so, we can end the meeting now, or we can get back to dbic |
| 16:18 | ashimema | certainly.. but finding the moment is hard. |
| 16:18 | Joubu | Actually, I don't care |
| 16:18 | gmcharlt | +1 to ending the meeting |
| 16:18 | khall | one more thing, I need input on bug 12632 |
| 16:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12632 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , Hold limits ignored for record level holds with item level itemtypes |
| 16:18 | ashimema | I wouldn't remove it.. I beleive a fair number of places are using it as is.. it does still work so long as you install the dependancy of html or |
| 16:18 | cait | Joubu: i think people were worried about libraries using it not knowing how to bring back after an update - not sure f we remove it, if that would remove files changed locally too |
| 16:18 | khall | if anyone is willing |
| 16:19 | ashimema | I wouldn't remove it.. I beleive a fair number of places are using it as is.. it does still work so long as you install the dependancy of html pro |
| 16:19 | khall | agreed |
| 16:19 | oleonard | I would like anyone who objects to its removal to submit patches to update it. |
| 16:19 | cait | i'd like to volunteer kyle to answer dbic questions after the meeting ;) and put it first on next times agenda |
| 16:19 | i think it doesn't hurt if it stays around | |
| 16:19 | ColinC | removing it may force someone to rewrite it |
| 16:19 | khall | ; ) |
| 16:20 | cait | and the dependency has beenremoved |
| 16:20 | khall | can do! |
| 16:20 | cait | i think |
| 16:20 | ashimema | it's in the queue oleanard.. but so far down it's not going to be reached for like a year on my list. |
| 16:20 | khall | I volunteer to work on rss.pl |
| 16:20 | ashimema | no-one will pay us to update it whilst it still works |
| 16:20 | cait | khall: wohoo :) |
| 16:20 | #action khall volunteers to work on rss.pl | |
| 16:20 | ashimema | khall.. awesome. |
| 16:20 | cait | #info khall also needs feedback on bug 12632 |
| 16:21 | ashimema | it should be 'reasonably' trivial I hope.. but was super low priority for me at the moment. |
| 16:21 | khall | ashimema: that's what I'm hoping! |
| 16:21 | cait | ok, tcohen proposed that we change to a 2 week cycle for th emeeitngs... and seeing the amount of topics and discussion i'd agree with that |
| 16:21 | until we run out of things to deprecate and discuss :) | |
| 16:21 | khall | lol |
| 16:21 | +2 | |
| 16:21 | ashimema | +1 |
| 16:21 | cait | tat would make the 6th of August a candidate for next meeting |
| 16:22 | #Set time of next meeting | |
| 16:22 | #topic Set time of next meeting | |
| 16:22 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Developer meeting, July 23rd, part 1) | |
| 16:22 | cait | does that work? |
| 16:22 | gmcharlt | +1 to 6 August |
| 16:22 | ashimema | I'll try to get my head around bug 12632 khall.. at least to comment on it |
| 16:23 | Joubu | Note: I will be afk for 3 weeks from next Monday |
| 16:23 | tubaclarinet | FYI: NAKUG is meeting Aug 6th-9th. |
| 16:23 | Joubu | but +2 for the the 2 week cycle! |
| 16:23 | cait | tubaclarinet: ah |
| 16:24 | what about 5th? | |
| 16:24 | tuesday that is, before nakug? | |
| 16:24 | tubaclarinet | Maybe having fourty or so geeks 2gether in the same room during a dev mtg wud b a good thing? |
| 16:25 | cait | tubaclarinet: i am not sure, i think it's also presentations - don't want to interfere with schedule |
| 16:25 | tubaclarinet | cait: true. |
| 16:25 | cait | gmcharlt: 5th ok too? |
| 16:25 | gmcharlt | yep |
| 16:25 | cait | #agreed Next meeting will be (pending agreement from part 2) August, 5th, 15:00 + 22:00 UTC |
| 16:26 | #endmeeting | |
| 16:26 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.16.1 is available! Next general meeting is 13 and 14 August 2014 at 22:00 and 15:00 UTC. Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org. Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes. | |
| 16:26 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Jul 23 16:26:16 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 16:26 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-07-23-15.00.html | |
| 16:26 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]4-07-23-15.00.txt | |
| 16:26 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]23-15.00.log.html | |
| 16:28 | cait | thx all for attending |
| 16:29 | gmcharlt | cait++ |
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| 16:32 | * oleonard | grumble grumble spaces grumble |
| 16:32 | eternalsword | not a developer, so didn't want to butt in during the meeting, but something to note regarding indentation in template files. There can be issues with whitespacing between inline-block elements. I typically minify html to resolve this. See http://css-tricks.com/fighting[…]e-block-elements/ |
| 16:35 | oleonard | I assume we would deal with that on a case by case basis eternalsword |
| 16:38 | dpavlin | bug 11944 ready |
| 16:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 |
| 16:38 | eternalsword | just putting it out there. It can lead to some weird display issues asside from the one mentioned at css-tricks that you wouldn't think, "Oh, whitespace." Shouldn't be a problem with the current layout, but something to consider. |
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| 16:46 | martian523 | morning! IT just helped me upgrade koha to 3.12 yesterday. everything looks good until my copy cataloger found that the subfield c in 999 has repeated itself several times |
| 16:46 | is there a way to correct that? | |
| 16:56 | cait | hm that should not be from the update |
| 16:57 | i think there was a bug that it can happen on merging records | |
| 16:57 | but the update won't change your data | |
| 16:57 | which version did you udpate from? and why 3.12? | |
| 16:57 | we also have 3.14 and 3.16 :) | |
| 16:57 | 3.12 is already almost out of maintenance | |
| 16:58 | martian523 | o, because we haven't updated for a year or so, we tried 3.16, but didn't succeed |
| 16:58 | so we want to try little by little | |
| 16:58 | we're testing on next upgrade to 3.14 now | |
| 16:58 | then work up to 3.16 | |
| 16:59 | cait | :) |
| 16:59 | martian523 | anyway, thanks for your help. i guess i'll delete repeated fields manually. thanks! |
| 16:59 | need to go meeting! | |
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| 17:46 | cait | hm ok |
| 17:47 | can someone check if patron search in master works for them? | |
| 17:47 | oleonard | What kind of patron search? |
| 17:48 | A standard search by last name from member.pl works fine for me. | |
| 17:48 | cait | i addd a staff patron |
| 17:48 | and now the search won't do anything | |
| 17:48 | and i am stuck with the added patron . in yellow | |
| 17:48 | Added patrons to . even | |
| 17:49 | hm chromium if that makes a difference | |
| 17:52 | hm trying in firefox now | |
| 17:52 | oleonard: actually it was firefox.. might just be a little late | |
| 17:52 | not sure how to reproduce it :( | |
| 17:52 | it's not going away for me - still the yellow message and no search results | |
| 17:53 | oleonard: with the latest master it happens for me - always shows Added patrons to. and then can't search | |
| 17:53 | oleonard | added patron to what? |
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| 17:54 | cait | sorry |
| 17:54 | to koha | |
| 17:54 | javascript console says | |
| 17:54 | Added patrons to . | |
| 17:54 | hm not that | |
| 17:54 | wahanui | rumour has it not that is a probably - you'll just need to learn a few new techinques |
| 17:54 | cait | Uncaught ReferenceError: filterByFirstLetterSurname is not defined |
| 17:55 | Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected token , | |
| 17:56 | "iDisplayLength": , syntax error | |
| 17:58 | oleonard | For a moment I seemed to be able to reproduce the problem, and now I can't |
| 17:59 | cait | oleonard: werid |
| 17:59 | weird | |
| 17:59 | oleonard: this is on a test server with mster, iw ill try on another | |
| 18:02 | can't reproduce it there :( | |
| 18:16 | oleonard | member.pl: Wide character in print at C4/Output.pm line 317 |
| 18:16 | That sounds ominous | |
| 18:17 | cait | hm yes |
| 18:17 | are you testing with the new patchset dobrica uploaded? | |
| 18:18 | oleonard | No |
| 18:18 | Should I be? | |
| 18:18 | cait | i am not usre |
| 18:18 | i saw he uploaded a new patch | |
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| 18:19 | cait | 2 new patches i think |
| 18:19 | kohabeto | how can i chat with users? |
| 18:20 | oleonard | You're doing it now kohabeto |
| 18:20 | cait | oleonard: doesn't look like his changes affect member.pl |
| 18:20 | kohabeto | i mean with my users |
| 18:20 | cait | there is no built in functionality for that in koha |
| 18:20 | kohabeto | ok |
| 18:20 | cait | you can use some existing web service maybe and add it to your opac |
| 18:20 | kohabeto | no problem |
| 18:21 | great | |
| 18:22 | oleonard | Are none of dpavlin's patches on 11944 part of the biblibre branch? |
| 18:23 | cait | i think not yet maybe, haven't checked the branch hm |
| 18:23 | he uploaded during the meeting | |
| 18:23 | but doesn't look like they woudl change something about member.pl | |
| 18:23 | more opac search results | |
| 18:40 | tcohen | #koha: we currently patch GRS-1 related zebra stuff, and regenerate the DOM configuration |
| 18:47 | ^^^^^^ that was a mistake, we did use that script a couple of times for keeping them in sync, but we don't do that anymore | |
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| 18:49 | mtompset | @later tell khall So bug 11887 is GPLv2? Your latest patch still has version 2 of the license. |
| 18:49 | huginn | mtompset: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:49 | mtompset | tell khall_away So bug 11887 is GPLv2? Your latest patch still has version 2 of the license. |
| 18:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11887 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add script for collections agency reports |
| 18:50 | mtompset | Greetings and Adieu. :) |
| 18:50 | * mtompset | hopes he spelt correctly. :) |
| 18:56 | tcohen | @later tell khall_away speaking of a provided vimrc file, what do u think of bug 12545? There's a vim plugin for instance (cross-editor) |
| 18:56 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:13 | ashimema | is there corrently a bug in auth.pm in master..? |
| 19:13 | I'm getting lots of | |
| 19:13 | opac-main.pl: Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 408. | |
| 19:14 | in the opac-error logs at the moment with a fresh checkout on master. | |
| 19:15 | cait | i am not aware of one |
| 19:15 | ashimema | hi cait.. |
| 19:15 | cait | but... maybe there is |
| 19:15 | hey ashimema :) | |
| 19:15 | ashimema | well.. this is on you're shib server ;) |
| 19:16 | my dev server is in flux at the moment so I can't easily check there :9 | |
| 19:16 | :( | |
| 19:16 | oleonard | I get those errors too ashimema |
| 19:17 | cait | i can check my local one too |
| 19:17 | just logging into opac and checking then? | |
| 19:17 | ashimema | anyone happen to spot when it crept in? |
| 19:18 | oleonard | I get them when I check out 3.14.x too |
| 19:18 | ashimema | I beleive that's what's breaking my shib patch cait.. the 'useshib' bit is never being reached due to the above error. |
| 19:18 | hmm. | |
| 19:18 | cait | hm we did change something |
| 19:18 | because there was a bug where you could get superlibraian rights | |
| 19:18 | ashimema | tha'ts less usefull.. maybe it's not that then :( |
| 19:18 | cait | and that#s in 3.14 too |
| 19:19 | ashimema | thanks for clarifying though oleanard.. think I need to investigate further |
| 19:20 | cait | looking for the bug |
| 19:21 | oleonard | ...and in 3.12.x :P |
| 19:21 | cait | i filed it an dnow i can't find it |
| 19:21 | it was a security patch | |
| 19:21 | i think it got backported | |
| 19:22 | bug 12226 | |
| 19:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12226 is not accessible. |
| 19:24 | cait | that's the only change i can remember |
| 19:25 | ashimema | i remember the bug.. |
| 19:25 | hmm | |
| 19:27 | nope.. not that patch.. error is still there even without it.. | |
| 19:27 | looks like it goes back a while.. | |
| 19:27 | red herring.. | |
| 19:27 | thanks for helping un-narrow it down though guys.. certainly helps. | |
| 19:28 | cait | sorry it was not helpful |
| 19:28 | you could do a git blame maybe? | |
| 19:30 | hm | |
| 19:30 | ashimema: i don't have errors | |
| 19:30 | in my logs | |
| 19:30 | only in templates | |
| 19:30 | [Wed Jul 23 21:29:51.696899 2014] [cgi:error] [pid 4800] [client 127.0.0.1:52697] AH01215: [Wed Jul 23 21:29:51 2014] opac-user.pl: Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /home/katrin/kohaclone/C4/Templates.pm line 103., referer: http://localhost/cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl | |
| 19:30 | ashimema | interesting.. |
| 19:30 | wahanui | interesting is probably sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 19:31 | ashimema | wonder if it's a syspref somewhere that catches it then. |
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| 19:36 | cait | it could be |
| 19:36 | i can check what mine are | |
| 19:38 | ashimema: my cas auth is turned on | |
| 19:39 | hm no change | |
| 19:39 | ashimema | hmm |
| 19:39 | I'm baffled. | |
| 19:39 | jcamins | ashimema: I think I've had that error for months or years. |
| 19:39 | Well, warning. | |
| 19:39 | wahanui | rumour has it warning is gone now, thanks |
| 19:39 | ashimema | yeah.. I'm thinking your right jcamins.. |
| 19:40 | it's proving rather illusive to track it down and I don't think it's the issue I'm having here by the looks. | |
| 19:41 | cait | the installation is behaving a bit weird |
| 19:41 | i had problems searching patrons owen couldn't reprocude | |
| 19:41 | but it shoudl be just master plus the patches nothing else | |
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| 21:54 | gmcharlt | @later tell khall not in person, but schedule permitting, to whatever extent I can virtually |
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| 22:00 | gmcharlt | #startmeeting Deveopment meeting, 23 July 2014, part 2 |
| 22:00 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Jul 23 22:00:43 2014 UTC. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 22:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 22:00 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Deveopment meeting, 23 July 2014, part 2) | |
| 22:00 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'deveopment_meeting__23_july_2014__part_2' |
| 22:00 | gmcharlt | #info Agenda http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing,_23_July_2014 |
| 22:01 | #info Part 1 minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-07-23-15.00.html | |
| 22:01 | #info Part 1 logs: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-07-23-15.00.html | |
| 22:01 | #topic Introductions | |
| 22:01 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 22:01 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Deveopment meeting, 23 July 2014, part 2) | |
| 22:01 | gmcharlt | #info Galen Charlton, Equinox |
| 22:01 | bgkriegel | #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel |
| 22:02 | bag | #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater |
| 22:02 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 22:02 | bag | welcome back to work gmcharlt |
| 22:03 | gmcharlt | thanks |
| 22:03 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba |
| 22:03 | wb gmcharlt | |
| 22:04 | bgkriegel | so few... :) |
| 22:05 | gmcharlt | indeed |
| 22:05 | but we WILL CHARGE ON REGARDLESS!!! | |
| 22:05 | #topic RM 3.18 comments | |
| 22:05 | Topic for #koha is now RM 3.18 comments (Meeting topic: Deveopment meeting, 23 July 2014, part 2) | |
| 22:05 | gmcharlt | tcohen: you have the floor |
| 22:06 | tcohen | As mentioned earlier, some work is on its way in the Search front |
| 22:06 | and I've been concerned that the test suite doesn't cover UNIMARC | |
| 22:06 | i want to run the same tests we run for MARC21, but on UNIMARC and | |
| 22:06 | need UNIMARC people's help in crafting the sample data | |
| 22:07 | Jonathan offered to help earlier, so, that's it | |
| 22:07 | bgkriegel | what kind of data? |
| 22:07 | tcohen | marc data, and having a good default koha<->marc mapping |
| 22:07 | bgkriegel | Joubu will be away for 3 weeks |
| 22:08 | vacation | |
| 22:08 | * tcohen | knows he needs to hurry |
| 22:08 | tcohen | the only difficulty is having too little UNIMARC knowledge |
| 22:08 | but it seems there's a bug for fixing the default mappings | |
| 22:09 | and it should be covered there | |
| 22:09 | moving on | |
| 22:09 | bgkriegel | you know bug number? |
| 22:09 | tcohen | #info bug 11586 might serve as input for having better UNIMARC search tests |
| 22:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11586 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , Better default framework for UNIMARC |
| 22:10 | bgkriegel | ok |
| 22:11 | tcohen | gmcharlt, moving on? |
| 22:11 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 22:11 | #topic Coding guidelines: Move towards deprecating GRS-1 in favor of DOM indexing | |
| 22:11 | Topic for #koha is now Coding guidelines: Move towards deprecating GRS-1 in favor of DOM indexing (Meeting topic: Deveopment meeting, 23 July 2014, part 2) | |
| 22:11 | gmcharlt | the first part of the meeting approved deprecated GRS-1 in favor of DOM |
| 22:12 | per the following wording - coding guideline about deprecating GRS-1 in favor of DOM | |
| 22:12 | er, make that http://paste.lisp.org/display/143215 | |
| 22:13 | questions or comments about the proposal? | |
| 22:13 | tcohen | has anyone volunteered for filling a bug on this? |
| 22:13 | gmcharlt | not specifically, yet |
| 22:13 | tcohen | a lot has been said about current DOM configuration not being complete (lists, IRC) |
| 22:14 | i'd like to have specific bugs filled from those parties | |
| 22:14 | all linked to the deprecation one | |
| 22:14 | gmcharlt | one moment |
| 22:15 | tcohen | "removing GRS-1 indexing in favor of DOM, first steps: coding guideline, omnibus bug for tracking what needs to be done (remaining issues, needed changes, etc.)" |
| 22:17 | gmcharlt | bug 12641 |
| 22:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12641 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Formally deprecate the GRS-1 indexing mode |
| 22:17 | gmcharlt | tcohen: and we already have proposed wording for hte coding guideline |
| 22:17 | tcohen | excellent! |
| 22:18 | gmcharlt | the immediate step, as I see it, is that at this point, no further patches should be accepted into master that touch the GRS-1 config, with the exception of anything that is meant to be backported to fix an indexing bug |
| 22:18 | tcohen | +1 |
| 22:19 | gmcharlt | #info The omnibus bug for deprecation of the GRS-1 indexing mode is 12641 |
| 22:20 | any other comments | |
| 22:20 | or any objections to adopting the new coding guideline? | |
| 22:20 | tcohen | we should provide a tools (for packages at least) to move |
| 22:20 | either migrating the current (if anyone volunteers) | |
| 22:20 | or just a default config | |
| 22:21 | but we will discuss that on the bugs I guess | |
| 22:21 | gmcharlt | yeah |
| 22:21 | (and we actually already have most of what we need to manage the index migration) | |
| 22:22 | tcohen | make_zebra_dom_cfg_from_record_abs |
| 22:22 | wahanui | make_zebra_dom_cfg_from_record_abs is a script to migrate from grs-1 to dom, so it ie same of the last thing to do |
| 22:22 | gmcharlt | exactly |
| 22:23 | ok | |
| 22:23 | since I've heard no objections... | |
| 22:23 | #agreed Koha adopts a new coding guideline per http://paste.lisp.org/display/14321 to deprecate the GRS-1 indexing mode | |
| 22:24 | and rather than have an action item... one moment please | |
| 22:24 | pianohacker | tcohen: as a clarification, would this migrate custom indexes |
| 22:24 | ? | |
| 22:24 | tcohen | we could provide a tool for that |
| 22:25 | it is almost there, just need to write the glue | |
| 22:25 | i.e. make_zebra_dom_cfg_from_record_abs | |
| 22:25 | pianohacker | kk |
| 22:25 | thanks | |
| 22:26 | gmcharlt | #info The new DEPR2 coding guideilne can be found at The DOM Zebra indexing mode is now the standard supported method for Koha. The GRS-1 indexing mode is deprecated for all record types and MARC flavours. |
| 22:26 | New Koha patches that update index definitions must change the DOM indexing definitions. If a patch is intended to be backported to a maintenance release, changes to GRS-1 index definitions should be kept in a separate patch. | |
| 22:26 | gah | |
| 22:26 | #info The new DEPR2 coding guideline can be found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ode_is_deprecated | |
| 22:27 | ok | |
| 22:27 | moving on | |
| 22:27 | #topic Coding guidelines - indentation in templates | |
| 22:27 | Topic for #koha is now Coding guidelines - indentation in templates (Meeting topic: Deveopment meeting, 23 July 2014, part 2) | |
| 22:28 | bgkriegel | 2 or 4? |
| 22:28 | wahanui | 6 |
| 22:28 | gmcharlt | I think it's fair to say that there was no consensus reached at the first part of the meeting |
| 22:29 | and I think the discussion ought to be hashed out on the mailing list first | |
| 22:30 | tcohen | i agree we could make it on the list |
| 22:31 | gmcharlt | yeah |
| 22:31 | #agreed further discussion about new or revised guidelines for whitespace to occur on the mailing list | |
| 22:31 | tcohen | i'd like to mention 12545, which could be used to make it easy to comply with the coding guidelines |
| 22:32 | whichever we find suit better | |
| 22:32 | bgkriegel | bug 12545 |
| 22:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12545 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add EditorConfig file to the source tree |
| 22:33 | gmcharlt | #link http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12545 |
| 22:33 | huginn | 04Bug 12545: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add EditorConfig file to the source tree |
| 22:34 | gmcharlt | #topic DBIC |
| 22:34 | Topic for #koha is now DBIC (Meeting topic: Deveopment meeting, 23 July 2014, part 2) | |
| 22:34 | gmcharlt | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]s_of_DBIC_in_Koha |
| 22:34 | eythian | hi |
| 22:34 | wahanui | niihau, eythian |
| 22:34 | gmcharlt | the first part of the meeting basically punted the discussion |
| 22:35 | BobB joined #koha | |
| 22:35 | gmcharlt | and to be honest, I'm inclined to punt as well |
| 22:35 | tcohen | idiomatic issues here |
| 22:35 | gmcharlt | sorry |
| 22:36 | punt == defer to the next dev meeting | |
| 22:36 | tcohen | ah |
| 22:36 | gmcharlt | or discuss on the lsit |
| 22:36 | * gmcharlt | slaps self for using an American football analogy |
| 22:36 | pianohacker | that indentation bikeshed is gonna get a lot of comments |
| 22:37 | tcohen | kck the ball |
| 22:37 | pianohacker: i know that one! | |
| 22:37 | gmcharlt | #topic Bugs |
| 22:37 | Topic for #koha is now Bugs (Meeting topic: Deveopment meeting, 23 July 2014, part 2) | |
| 22:37 | gmcharlt | #info UTF-8 cleanup - bug 11944 |
| 22:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 |
| 22:38 | gmcharlt | as part of the GBSD, Joubu and others have been doing some testing and found some minor issues |
| 22:38 | that I believe Joubu is working on | |
| 22:38 | tcohen | dpavlin was working on the search results front |
| 22:38 | eternalsword | punts are also used in rugby if it makes you feel better. |
| 22:39 | gmcharlt | eternalsword: thanks :) |
| 22:40 | * tcohen | only speaks tennis |
| 22:40 | gmcharlt | #info Test builder - bug 12603 |
| 22:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12603 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Needs Signoff , TestBuilder - Module to simplify the writing of tests |
| 22:40 | pianohacker | ooh |
| 22:41 | gmcharlt | that one looks like a good candidate for folks to play with |
| 22:42 | #info renewing lost items - bug 9805 | |
| 22:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9805 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, In Discussion , Lost items are un-lost if returned, but not if renewed. |
| 22:42 | gmcharlt | my suggestion for 9805 is that somebody send a query to the general mailing list about the propsed changes |
| 22:43 | in an effort to identify policy preferences and/or edge cases | |
| 22:43 | can somebody volunteer to do that (maybe first ask khall if he wants to)? | |
| 22:45 | pianohacker | khall would be the best candidate, I'd think |
| 22:45 | tcohen | as the author of the patch, he'd be the best one to write it down |
| 22:45 | gmcharlt | @later tell khall would you be willing to drop a note to the general mailing list soliciting input on library preferences for lost item handling (re bug 9805)? |
| 22:45 | huginn | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:46 | gmcharlt | k, as you can see, I've made the request |
| 22:46 | are there other bugs that folks would like to emphasize? | |
| 22:46 | bgkriegel | input on bug 12477 will be most welcome |
| 22:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12477 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , We need better ways to manage MARC Frameworks |
| 22:47 | gmcharlt | #info Input requested for bug 12477 (better management of MARC frameworks) |
| 22:49 | OK, moving on | |
| 22:49 | #topic "Big stuff we are working on" | |
| 22:49 | Topic for #koha is now "Big stuff we are working on" (Meeting topic: Deveopment meeting, 23 July 2014, part 2) | |
| 22:51 | tcohen | i'm expecting to become a father by December, 21st. I'm making up my mind :-P |
| 22:51 | gmcharlt | congrats! |
| 22:51 | tcohen | :-D |
| 22:52 | thx | |
| 22:52 | gmcharlt | #info Feedback on GST RFC requested by end of August http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/GST_Rewrite_RFC |
| 22:52 | eythian: can you give an ES update? | |
| 22:52 | eythian | nothing much to report |
| 22:52 | I've been distracted on a couple of migrations/new installations | |
| 22:53 | gmcharlt | fair enough |
| 22:53 | any other big projects? | |
| 22:54 | ok | |
| 22:54 | #topic Set time of next meeting | |
| 22:54 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Deveopment meeting, 23 July 2014, part 2) | |
| 22:54 | gmcharlt | the first part of the meeting proposes August, 5th, 15:00 + 22:00 UTC |
| 22:54 | comments? | |
| 22:54 | wahanui | comments are turned on |
| 22:55 | bgkriegel | +1 |
| 22:55 | tcohen | +a |
| 22:55 | +1 | |
| 22:56 | pianohacker | +1 |
| 22:57 | gmcharlt | #agreed The next development meeting will be August, 5th, 15:00 + 22:00 UTC |
| 22:57 | ok | |
| 22:57 | thanks everybody! | |
| 22:57 | #endmeeting | |
| 22:57 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.16.1 is available! Next general meeting is 13 and 14 August 2014 at 22:00 and 15:00 UTC. Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org. Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes. | |
| 22:57 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Jul 23 22:57:27 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 22:57 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-07-23-22.00.html | |
| 22:57 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]4-07-23-22.00.txt | |
| 22:57 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]23-22.00.log.html | |
| 22:57 | bgkriegel | gmcharlt++ |
| 22:57 | tcohen | thanks gmcharlt |
| 22:57 | gmcharlt++ | |
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| 23:00 | pianohacker | gmcharlt: question on bug 12603; is testbuilder a module to help generate automatically-deleted test data using DBIC? |
| 23:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12603 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Needs Signoff , TestBuilder - Module to simplify the writing of tests |
| 23:01 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: yes - as I understand it after a very brief look, it provides sugar to simplify filling in dependent rows |
| 23:01 | like branch codes, category codes, etc. | |
| 23:02 | pianohacker | cool |
| 23:03 | eternalsword | gmcharlt, could take a look at bug 12628? my first bug report and patch and looks like it assigned to you. Just want to make sure I'm clear enough. |
| 23:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12628 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , reports/cat_issues_top.pl incorrect checkout range query |
| 23:05 | gmcharlt | eternalsword: the patch looks straightforward enough |
| 23:05 | ideally, though, it should be produced via the git format-patch command | |
| 23:05 | which will, in addition to the code diff, pass along the commit message and your authorship attribution | |
| 23:06 | git-bz (http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bz_configuration) can be used to make the process of attaching a patch to a bug easier | |
| 23:07 | cait left #koha | |
| 23:09 | eternalsword | looking into git-bz now |
| 23:15 | kathryn joined #koha | |
| 23:19 | eternalsword | okay, will redo patch tomorrow following that process, thanks. |
| 23:19 | pianohacker | you won't regret it. git-bz has made using bugzilla for patch tracking much easier. |
| 23:20 | dcook | ^ |
| 23:20 | git-bz is the best :) | |
| 23:21 | * dcook | should read the meeting logs... |
| 23:21 | eternalsword | I'll redo the one I made for 10188 too and not make it dependent on 12628 |
| 23:21 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.16.2 is available! Next general meeting is 13 and 14 August 2014 at 22:00 and 15:00 UTC. Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org. Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes. | |
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| 23:46 | dcook | I think there was a typo for the part 1 logs in the part 2 logs |
| 23:46 | Ah, figured out the link anyway | |
| 23:47 | hehe: "<cait> i think people have noticed... i like deprecating things. Today's victim is GRS-1 in favor of DOM indexing" | |
| 23:47 | eythian | oh, 3.16.02 is out |
| 23:52 | Ant joined #koha | |
| 23:53 | Dyrcona joined #koha | |
| 23:54 | Ant | quit |
| 23:54 | dcook | Never! |
| 23:55 | eythian | quitters never win, Ant |
| 23:55 | tcohen | hi eythian dcook |
| 23:55 | Ant | I try to upgrade koha 3.12 to 3.14, but need to CPAN a DBIx module, but never success |
| 23:55 | eythian | g'day tcohen |
| 23:55 | Ant: what distro are you on? | |
| 23:56 | Ant | what is "distro"? |
| 23:56 | eythian | linux distribution |
| 23:57 | Ant | Debian |
| 23:57 | squezz | |
| 23:57 | eythian | OK. THen just install it through the packaging system, don't do it manually |
| 23:57 | dcook | ^ |
| 23:57 | heya, tcohen :) | |
| 23:58 | December 21st, eh? Yay! | |
| 23:58 | tcohen | today i saw his face |
| 23:58 | Ant | i can do it in the Synactic ? |
| 23:58 | eythian | yeah, it'll be libdbix-class-perl or similar |
| 23:59 | BobB_ joined #koha | |
| 23:59 | Ant | let me try |
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