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| 00:06 | eythian | that's annoyingly sneaky |
| 00:08 | dcook | hehe. I know, right? |
| 00:08 | Actually, I think it's a bit terrifying. | |
| 00:08 | Due to the authority with which the narrator/writer speaks, you doubt yourself before you doubt them. | |
| 00:08 | They out the premise and you just accept it because...well...that's what you do when someone talks to you. | |
| 00:08 | They lay out* | |
| 00:09 | When I thought about it in terms of politics, it makes my skin crawl. | |
| 00:09 | Or sales...2 + 2 = 5...ugh. | |
| 00:09 | </rant> | |
| 00:28 | Hmm, might try using dbix for a local mod...might be good practice... | |
| 00:30 | Hmm maybe not.. | |
| 00:47 | pianohacker | okay, about to try the hotel coffee maker. I'm desperate for awake |
| 00:49 | dcook | Where are you, pianohacker? |
| 00:49 | Surely there must be better options around? | |
| 00:53 | pianohacker | dcook: not really. Hotel is near the airport and the good coffee shops around here seem to close early |
| 00:54 | dcook | Ahh, dinger :/ |
| 00:54 | I tried to get some food in the city the other day, and sure enough all the restaurants were closed by 6pm :S | |
| 00:55 | Well, not all of them...just the ones I went to... | |
| 00:57 | pianohacker | It ain't easy bein' a night owl |
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| 02:02 | dcook | status? |
| 02:02 | history? | |
| 02:02 | marc status? | |
| 02:02 | marc history? | |
| 02:02 | Hmm | |
| 02:02 | We're a bot down! | |
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| 02:02 | * dcook | will have to actually remember the link himself.. |
| 02:05 | dcook | Huh...1 auth_tag_structure change in the history of updatedatabase.pl |
| 02:05 | And only 12 auth_subfield_structure changes in that time as well.. | |
| 02:06 | According to http://www.loc.gov/marc/status.html, there have been quite a few changes in the last 15 years | |
| 02:09 | I guess new installs might be getting updated frameworks though.. | |
| 02:11 | eythian | yeah, changing someone's framework while they're using it is probably not a good thing |
| 02:12 | dcook | Agreed |
| 02:12 | Unfortunately | |
| 02:12 | There needs to be a mechanism for updates though | |
| 02:12 | eythian | yeah |
| 02:12 | dcook | It would probably have to be manual though |
| 02:12 | That is, the librarian would have to review updates. | |
| 02:12 | * dcook | has been pondering this problem on and off over the past few years |
| 02:13 | dcook | Unfortuantely, since we can no longer import frameworks via SQL, it's even harder. |
| 02:13 | I had thought about using the default framework SQL as a base and loading it into a sort of "tag library" | |
| 02:14 | Then having a script that did a sort of diff to highlight changes/updates | |
| 02:14 | Actually... | |
| 02:14 | In theory, the only thing a person should really ever need to do is change labels and visibility | |
| 02:14 | (Unless they're creating a non-MARC framework) | |
| 02:15 | And "mandatory" I suppose | |
| 02:15 | And "tab" | |
| 02:15 | Basically "Koha-level" things | |
| 02:15 | Vs "MARC/standard-level" | |
| 02:15 | Sorry, I should stop ranting... | |
| 02:15 | * dcook | doesn't want to traumatize eythian to the point that he never speaks in channel again :p |
| 02:23 | dcook | I actually haven't thought this out as much as I need to in order to offer up a real solution... |
| 02:26 | eythian | it should all be files in git and they just get branched and merged like everything else. |
| 02:27 | There, solved it :D | |
| 02:27 | dcook | Haha. What? |
| 02:29 | eythian | well, part of the problem is that you don't want to mess up local changes when updating. |
| 02:29 | So if it's all version controlled, then it'll do it for you. | |
| 02:30 | dcook | Each time a librarian changes a framework, that would need to commit to a git though |
| 02:31 | I think the key is what needs to be updated... | |
| 02:31 | Really it's about missing fields, subfields, and changes to whether it can repeat. | |
| 02:31 | (To a lesser degree label/name changes) | |
| 02:32 | We don't track indicators, so those changes are irrelevant. We also don't track descriptions of fields, so they're also irrelevant. | |
| 02:32 | Changing "repeatability" isn't much of an issue since it's pretty transparent. | |
| 02:32 | But changing what fields/subfields show up...huge problem | |
| 02:33 | By default, I suppose we could automate it to add missing fields/subfields...so long as they remain hidden. | |
| 02:33 | pianohacker | we could always have the default framework as a yaml somewhere and custom frameworks elsewhere |
| 02:33 | dcook | ^ |
| 02:33 | That thought has crossed my mind a lot | |
| 02:33 | I would rather store the default framework as yaml rather than SQL | |
| 02:33 | pianohacker | _possibly_ allow a default framework in the DB to overlay parts of the YAML to allow for both updates and messing around with the local framework |
| 02:34 | dcook | Hmm |
| 02:34 | pianohacker | mainly for custom MARC mappings |
| 02:34 | dcook | I'm not sure about that |
| 02:34 | pianohacker | not that a library would do such a terrible thing <_< |
| 02:34 | dcook | Ah right.. |
| 02:34 | Well, it's legitimate to add local fields | |
| 02:34 | 9xx and such | |
| 02:35 | I think it would be OK to have a one-way relationship from the yaml framework to the custom frameworks | |
| 02:36 | The only thing you really want to change is visibility, mandatory, labels. | |
| 02:36 | And to add local fields/subfields. | |
| 02:36 | And updates from the yaml framework to the custom DB frameworks wouldn't have to touch any of those | |
| 02:37 | (Although I'm somewhat on the fence about labels...the ability to at least see the difference between labels might be good for when fields are renamed) | |
| 02:42 | * dcook | didn't mean to stifle the conversation... |
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| 03:41 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 03:42 | Have a great day, #koha. | |
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| 04:58 | paxed | dcook: your comment on how it's all uphill battle is exactly how i feel. |
| 04:59 | dcook | paxed: I thought you might be able to relate :p |
| 04:59 | hey cait | |
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| 05:00 | dcook | paxed: Usually, I feel ok about it, but I think I was particularly low on energy when I wrote that. |
| 05:00 | eythian | hi cait |
| 05:01 | dcook | paxed: I would also rather it be an uphill battle than a swamp where any and all code goes in. I just want to move faster than is realistic. |
| 05:02 | paxed | dcook: "lumbering" |
| 05:03 | dcook | Certainly feels that way sometimes |
| 05:03 | But we're all time poor as well. | |
| 05:04 | I reported something like 6 bugs today and while some of them have easy fixes, I don't necessarily have the time/stamina to write the patches and the test plans | |
| 05:04 | paxed | dcook: imo stuff that is obvious, like typo fixes, shouldn't require QA. |
| 05:04 | dcook | (And to test the patches of others to increase my karma/chances of my patches being tested) |
| 05:05 | paxed: testing or QA or both? | |
| 05:05 | I wonder if that would be an idea...having a rule where trivial patches can go straight to QA or RM... | |
| 05:05 | paxed | dcook: typos in text are generally painfully obvious, at least to me. typos in code should of course be tested. |
| 05:05 | dcook | or MM |
| 05:06 | paxed | but having a one-liner require months of back and forth is irritating. |
| 05:06 | dcook | Is there a particular one you have in mind? |
| 05:07 | paxed | not right now. i'm also sort-of giving up - my current employment at the library ends at the end of this month. |
| 05:08 | dcook | Ah, well, that's pretty soon! |
| 05:08 | I probably wouldn't worry too much about it then ;) | |
| 05:08 | Koha is getting progressively better though | |
| 05:09 | I wasn't too impressed when I started using it at 3.2, but 3.14 is quite a bit better | |
| 05:09 | And I do still prefer it over the proprietary ILSes I used in the past | |
| 05:09 | Being open source, it's a bit easier to see the warts, but they exist in all systems, I think | |
| 05:09 | eythian | part of the problem was that in the Before Time, a lot of stuff went in with no sort of process, so there's still junk being pulled out. |
| 05:10 | dcook | ^ |
| 05:10 | paxed | kivilahtio got a permanent job here, so he'll be the one to maintain the system. i'll go back to my real employer. |
| 05:10 | dcook | eythian: I think that's the thing that a lot of newbs like paxed and I need to keep in mind |
| 05:10 | paxed: who is your real employer? | |
| 05:11 | paxed | dcook: a municipality-owned company, that handles all the helpdesking, networking, computer &c stuff for the municipalities around here. |
| 05:12 | dcook | paxed: Ahhh, neato. |
| 05:12 | paxed | dcook: the problem is that if newbs get frustrated when the bug-flow is irritating, they'll just stop contributing and go somewhere else. |
| 05:12 | dcook | paxed: I suppose although Koha doesn't suffer from a lack of contributions |
| 05:12 | Lots of people working on Koha. | |
| 05:13 | paxed | or you'll just get people who are getting paid to maintain, but aren't doing anything more than caring about their own library's needs. |
| 05:13 | dcook | I think that's quite a good point |
| 05:13 | I'm getting paid to maintain, but I'm also a librarian (and a perfectionist) who wants to improve Koha for everyone | |
| 05:14 | Usually, the paid work happens first locally, and then I upstream as much as I can (I would like more time to upstream more). | |
| 05:14 | I'd also like to take on projects that start upstream and eventually trickle down | |
| 05:14 | But that's the time/money/strategic vision problem :/ | |
| 05:15 | paxed | "why bother generalizing this quick hard-coded hack we have, when it takes a year for it to get into master?" |
| 05:15 | dcook | I was just about to say that ;) |
| 05:15 | paxed | "and we'd need to baby-sit it through every minute" |
| 05:15 | dcook | Or rather...why bother trying to improve it for everyone if it takes a long time |
| 05:15 | As the efforts might be wasted | |
| 05:16 | And we don't really have the time/effort to waste | |
| 05:16 | I think that's where I get frustrated. | |
| 05:17 | paxed: Yeah, the babysitting thing is interesting | |
| 05:17 | For instance, it's generally accepted that jcamins is the babysitter for QueryParser | |
| 05:17 | But that's not fair | |
| 05:18 | Others should take the time to learn QueryParser so that they can fix it too | |
| 05:18 | If knowledge is too specialized, it takes even longer to get things pushed | |
| 05:19 | But if you look at the stats, there is a lot of code pushed every month | |
| 05:19 | 37 patches pushed in June | |
| 05:19 | for master | |
| 05:19 | Galen pushed 559 so far in 2014 | |
| 05:19 | eythian | I sometimes have trouble just keeping up with the bits that I'm supposed to know a lot about, in between other work. |
| 05:20 | dcook | eythian: Yeah, I've struggled with that in the past as well |
| 05:20 | paxed | dcook: yes, galen does amazing things, no doubt. |
| 05:20 | dcook | eythian: That's why I'm hoping to do more in-code commenting as I try to improve Search as well |
| 05:21 | (For everyone else as well as for myself) | |
| 05:21 | eythian | yeah, historically that's been pretty terrible |
| 05:21 | dcook | Totally |
| 05:21 | paxed | my main problem is that the QA can be too nitpicky. |
| 05:22 | dcook | paxed: That's a bit of a conundrum though, no? |
| 05:22 | The problems of the past were often created by a lack of nitpicky QA, I imagine | |
| 05:22 | eythian | fast, high quality ... pick 1. |
| 05:22 | dcook | ^ |
| 05:23 | As much as I would like it to be fast, I think I have to choose high quality for the good of the project. | |
| 05:23 | And just cope with personal frustrations. | |
| 05:23 | eythian | http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]ef0b56cbf96429b0e <-- here's my QueryBuilder, dcook, just fyi |
| 05:24 | paxed | dcook: my personal frustration was eg. bug 11885 |
| 05:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11885 normal, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Pushed to Master , Inconsistent HTML in MARC Details |
| 05:24 | dcook | eythian: You don't need to include QueryRemoveStopwords |
| 05:24 | eythian: I plan to rip it out of the current code as it's already deprecated | |
| 05:24 | eythian | dcook: I know, I plan to remove it some time. |
| 05:24 | dcook | Cool :) |
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| 05:25 | dcook | I was actually going to ask you about your QueryBuilder I think...but I can't remember why |
| 05:25 | I think I got my answers from reading the code though | |
| 05:25 | * dcook | looks at paxed's bug |
| 05:28 | dcook | paxed: That would be frustrating. |
| 05:30 | In that case though, it looks like the longest gap was between creating the patch and getting the initial sign off | |
| 05:31 | And then the failed QA and the revised patch | |
| 05:31 | paxed: By the way, that does look like an elegant patch! | |
| 05:32 | paxed | i did not mind the time. the sentimentality that nothing should change in the output was galling. especially because the original code was not consistent between the tabs in the first place. |
| 05:34 | dcook | Hmm, I suppose that one is a bit of a judgment call |
| 05:34 | Yeah, I don't know if I would fail QA that for that reason | |
| 05:35 | Maybe add a follow-up to restore the bold at least... | |
| 05:35 | But not an outright fail | |
| 05:35 | * dcook | shrugs |
| 05:36 | paxed | well, enough of that. i'm nearly out of fucks to give - just coasting until the end of the month. |
| 05:38 | dcook | That's certainly your prerogative. I definitely experience highs and lows, but I'm optismitic about the future. |
| 05:38 | optimistic* | |
| 05:39 | The patches you sent will help :) | |
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| 05:45 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
| 05:45 | hello cait | |
| 05:53 | dcook | Hmm, is there a way to associate different usernames with the same user in Git? |
| 05:53 | I think I've seen it before with email address... | |
| 05:55 | eythian | I'm not sure I understand the question. |
| 05:56 | dcook | Fair enough |
| 05:56 | Is there a way to say Username X is equivalent to Username Y? | |
| 05:56 | Or Email X is equivalent to Email Y? | |
| 05:56 | eythian | where are these usernames coming from? |
| 05:57 | dcook | Commit messages I think |
| 05:57 | My first commit: | |
| 05:57 | commit b49af1df17c06cb41d168fa154cb2104798c33cf | |
| 05:57 | Author: David <dcookprosentient.com.au> |
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| 05:57 | eythian | git doesn't really know about usernames, and author names/emails are just a bit of metadata, there's no real idea of them meaning anything beyond that AIUI |
| 05:57 | dcook | versus my 2nd: |
| 05:57 | commit 87eae41e509a69e6698264a38d079c78ef2451cb | |
| 05:57 | Author: David Cook <dcookprosentient.com.au> |
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| 05:58 | eythian: I was thinking about GitStats hehe | |
| 05:58 | I noticed that my stats are different between Github and Gitweb | |
| 05:58 | eythian | ah. I know nothing about GitStats sorry :) |
| 05:58 | dcook | Yeah, I think that's a rangi matter |
| 05:58 | Thanks anyway :) | |
| 05:58 | eythian | he's away for a few days |
| 05:58 | dcook | I swear that I've seen aliases of some type before somewhere... |
| 05:58 | I thought I saw jcamin's old email associated with his new one | |
| 05:59 | Must've been for something else perhaps | |
| 05:59 | cait | dcook: there is a mailmap file somewhere |
| 05:59 | i think in the repository for the release notes script | |
| 05:59 | dcook | That could be it, cait! |
| 05:59 | The .mailmap feature is used to coalesce together commits by the same person in the shortlog, where their name and/or email address was spelled differently. | |
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| 06:04 | dcook | cait: Yes, that's definitely it! |
| 06:04 | I think that I can get "David" mapped to "David Cook" | |
| 06:05 | Adding one to my total and removing that "David" entry from GitStats :) | |
| 06:05 | cait | not sure if there is a second file rangi uses, you migth want to check with him |
| 06:05 | dcook | Good call |
| 06:05 | @later tell rangi Do you have a .mailmap file for GitStats or does it use the one in master? | |
| 06:06 | D'oh | |
| 06:06 | No wahanui | |
| 06:06 | Wait...that's a huginn thing I thought.. | |
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| 06:09 | eythian | hi wahanui |
| 06:09 | wahanui | niihau, eythian |
| 06:10 | huginn | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 06:10 | eythian | that took quite some time |
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| 06:12 | eythian | dcook: bug 12478 |
| 06:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Elasticsearch support for Koha |
| 06:14 | cait | :) |
| 06:14 | dcook | Ooo, wonderful. Thanks, eythian :). |
| 06:16 | Hmm, cait, looks like GitStats respects .mailmap | |
| 06:18 | cait | eythian: why does one need to do to turn elastic on with your patch?:) |
| 06:19 | eythian | cait: the amount of times I've forgotten to do that after reloading a database... |
| 06:19 | cait | ah |
| 06:19 | how... | |
| 06:20 | i actually meant to ask for some instructions on how to use the patch | |
| 06:20 | eythian | oh |
| 06:20 | cait | like dependencies needed ... and stuff like that |
| 06:20 | eythian | well, read the bug |
| 06:20 | oh yeah, dependencies | |
| 06:20 | ashimema | morning all |
| 06:20 | cait | missed the last comments - refreshing helps :) |
| 06:20 | eythian | how refreshing. |
| 06:21 | cait | eythian: just one thing... how does one set up an es-server? |
| 06:22 | the koha bits does look too easy... i guess the other bits are more complicated for testing | |
| 06:22 | eythian | you apt-get install elasticsearch :) |
| 06:23 | ashimema | ooh.. awesome.. theres now a bug for es.. |
| 06:23 | nice one eythian. | |
| 06:23 | just catching up | |
| 06:24 | * cait | waves to ashimema |
| 06:25 | ashimema | morning cait. |
| 06:25 | eythian | hi ashimema |
| 06:25 | ashimema | evening eythian |
| 06:26 | eythian | There we go, now it should be easy for anyone to test the ES stuff for me ;) |
| 06:27 | s/anyone/everyone/ :) | |
| 06:27 | ashimema | :) |
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| 06:32 | eythian | I might head home. I realised that I got in over an hour earlier this morning to avoid no bus madness, so it's been a long enough day. I expect you all to have added issues/patches to the bug by tomorrow! :) |
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| 06:36 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:39 | magnuse | Bug 12478 - woohoo! |
| 06:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Elasticsearch support for Koha |
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| 06:40 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:42 | magnuse | bonjour reiveune |
| 06:42 | reiveune | salut magnuse dcook cait |
| 06:45 | cait | hi reiveune :) |
| 06:47 | dcook | salut reiveune :) |
| 06:47 | eythian: nighters | |
| 06:48 | magnuse | hiya cait dcook eythian |
| 06:48 | dcook | yo magnuse |
| 06:49 | cait | hi magnuse |
| 06:50 | dcook | Hmm I'll need to add a .mailmap commit.. |
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| 06:57 | dcook | Hehe. Anyone want a super easy sign off? |
| 06:57 | bug 12479 | |
| 06:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12479 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Update mailmap for master |
| 06:57 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:57 | wahanui | hey, alex_a |
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| 07:01 | magnuse | dcook: done :-) |
| 07:01 | bonjour alex_a yohann | |
| 07:01 | @wunder boo | |
| 07:01 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on June 25, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:01 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
| 07:01 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 17.9°C (9:01 AM CEST on June 25, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:01 | alex_a | hello magnuse |
| 07:01 | dcook | magnuse: Awesome. Thanks :). |
| 07:02 | @wunder sydney, australia | |
| 07:02 | huginn | dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 17.0°C (4:30 PM EST on June 25, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:02 | * dcook | might still wear a sweater... |
| 07:06 | should really be leaving work...but is testing code instead | |
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| 07:09 | Joubu | hello |
| 07:09 | wahanui | salut, Joubu |
| 07:12 | cait | bonjour Joubu |
| 07:19 | magnuse | dcook++ |
| 07:19 | bonjour Joubu | |
| 07:20 | Joubu | Buenos dias cait, magnuse ;) |
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| 07:22 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:23 | cait | :) |
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| 08:02 | ashimema | evening rangi |
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| 08:20 | nlegrand | lsGOyo $koha! |
| 08:20 | that was a strange greeting... | |
| 08:20 | I meant: Oyo #koha! | |
| 08:23 | rangi | hey ashimema |
| 08:23 | wahanui | ashimema is on qa now .) |
| 08:23 | * magnuse | suspects nlegrand of wanting to rewrite koha in go |
| 08:23 | rangi | dcook: i think it uses the one in master |
| 08:28 | yohann: you are the 251st person to get code into koha .. viktor was 250, you just missed out :) | |
| 08:30 | yohann | rangi : It's a pity, so close ... :p |
| 08:32 | cait | but 251 is one better than 250 for Koha :) |
| 08:32 | magnuse | so true! |
| 08:34 | rangi | Juhani Seppälä is 252 from finlan |
| 08:34 | d | |
| 08:34 | we have sweden, france, finland | |
| 08:35 | magnuse | woohoo! |
| 08:36 | rangi | 249 is italy |
| 08:36 | we could have our own world cup | |
| 08:36 | we have enough countries :) | |
| 08:36 | cait | :) |
| 08:38 | rangi | 248 is UK |
| 08:39 | someday i should try to work out how many different countries we have contributers from | |
| 08:39 | its hard though as i dont know all of them | |
| 08:40 | cait | maybe someof the email addresses could give a hint |
| 08:40 | paxed | when's history.txt getting updated? |
| 08:45 | rangi | theres a patch waiting qa, shouldnt be long |
| 08:45 | bug 7143 | |
| 08:45 | wahanui | bug 7143 is ready for an easy signoff |
| 08:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Bug for tracking changes to the about page |
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| 08:52 | paxed | i find it silly that needs to be QA'd |
| 08:53 | * cait | does not think that |
| 08:56 | rangi | the patch contains changes to about.tt if its broken, there's a broken page in koha |
| 08:57 | paxed | ... so you cannot trust the dev who commits changes to repo to change about.tt |
| 08:57 | cait | we are all human |
| 08:57 | rangi | why should the rules apply to some, not all |
| 08:57 | cait | this is not about trust |
| 08:58 | paxed | let the process lumber on. i'll jump off the wagon |
| 08:58 | rangi | and for the record ive submitted patches that break things before, i dont mind .. in fact i want my patches to go through qa |
| 08:58 | maybe you should | |
| 08:58 | i for one am heartily sick of your negative attitude | |
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| 09:05 | rangi | actually i apologise |
| 09:06 | sorry, i shouldnt have said that | |
| 09:08 | cait | hm i am testing the patch for history now - but I don't have the new entries show up in my timeline |
| 09:08 | i switched out the spaces for tabs, but no change | |
| 09:09 | it ends with Francesca | |
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| 09:10 | fridolin | hie all |
| 09:10 | magnuse | cait: on a gitified setup? |
| 09:10 | bonjour fridolin | |
| 09:10 | cait | nope standard |
| 09:10 | well dev with git | |
| 09:10 | magnuse | weird |
| 09:10 | cait | magnuse: can you check on yours? |
| 09:10 | fridolin | bonjour magnuse |
| 09:12 | cait | hi fridolin |
| 09:12 | fridolin | hie cait |
| 09:14 | magnuse | cait: ok |
| 09:14 | cait | hm changing the file doesn't seem to have an effect |
| 09:14 | i am puzzled | |
| 09:14 | is there some step in between that i am missing? | |
| 09:15 | magnuse | cait: before the patch, my timeline ends with Nicolas Legrand |
| 09:16 | cait | and after it#s ok? |
| 09:17 | if imake changes to the file it's not reflected in my timeline | |
| 09:18 | oh ... maybe | |
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| 09:19 | magnuse | cait: nope, after applying the patch i still see Nicolas Legrand as the last new dev |
| 09:19 | cait | gah. |
| 09:19 | so ours are both stuck | |
| 09:19 | rangi: any idea maybe? | |
| 09:21 | i wonder if looks at the right file | |
| 09:21 | magnuse | i'm on a gitified instance, that might be confusing things? |
| 09:21 | cait | minee is not andstill stuck |
| 09:21 | ah magnuse | |
| 09:21 | try switching the spaces for tabs in the file | |
| 09:21 | see if that makes a difference for you | |
| 09:21 | rangi | weird |
| 09:21 | nlegrand | magnuse: what? |
| 09:22 | rangi | nope no ideas |
| 09:22 | nlegrand | magnuse: I don't know Go :) |
| 09:23 | magnuse: ho I get it :) | |
| 09:23 | mtj | its the <docdir> location? |
| 09:23 | cait | mtj: trying to put in a warn for tha tright now |
| 09:23 | mtj | <docdir>/usr/share/doc/koha-common</docdir> |
| 09:24 | ...perhaps your koha is looking there, for the history.txt file? | |
| 09:25 | /usr/share/doc/koha-common/history.txt | |
| 09:26 | magnuse | yup, "$ sudo cp docs/history.txt /usr/share/doc/koha-common/history.txt" and it looks good |
| 09:27 | that makes sense for a gitified setup, but not for a git/dev install, methinks | |
| 09:30 | mtj | yeah, i got caught out by it a while back, too |
| 09:31 | magnuse | and i seem to remember there was a time when package installs refused to display the timeline |
| 09:32 | cait | hmmm |
| 09:32 | /home/katrin/koha-dev/doc < that's my $docdir | |
| 09:33 | i guess you have to copy the file over there | |
| 09:34 | magnuse | or do a "make upgrade" or something? |
| 09:34 | same as with changes to zebra config files | |
| 09:35 | bbiab | |
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| 11:04 | Joubu | Juhani around? |
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| 11:09 | cait | hm not sure he is on irc |
| 11:13 | Joubu | cait: yep, I left a note |
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| 11:46 | cait | of course... i have to go to work and the thunderstorm hits |
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| 12:21 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 12:25 | jcamins | @later tell rangi You figured out how many countries contributors to 3.12 came from, I think, at my request. |
| 12:25 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
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| 12:37 | magnuse | you made it, cait? |
| 12:38 | cait | yep |
| 12:38 | and at a good moment too | |
| 12:38 | mostly dry :) | |
| 12:40 | magnuse | yay |
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| 13:30 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 13:30 | @wunder cordoba, argentina | |
| 13:30 | huginn | tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 10.0°C (10:00 AM ART on June 25, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
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| 13:38 | magnuse | ¡hola tcohen! |
| 13:38 | @wunder boo | |
| 13:38 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0°C (3:20 PM CEST on June 25, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:39 | magnuse | so there ;-) |
| 13:40 | jcamins | @wunder 11375 |
| 13:40 | huginn | jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village Juniper Valley Park, Queens, New York is 23.4°C (9:40 AM EDT on June 25, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:40 | jcamins | Ugh. |
| 13:43 | pianohacker | @wunder windsor, ct |
| 13:43 | huginn | pianohacker: The current temperature in Loomis Chaffee School, Windsor, Connecticut is 22.9°C (9:30 AM EDT on June 25, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:44 | * cait | waves to pianohacker |
| 13:44 | cait | pianohacker: you seem more around lately - nice :) |
| 13:45 | pianohacker | cait: yup indeed! now that I'm officially done with my bachelor's degree as of last friday, I'm on a more even schedule |
| 13:45 | cait | nice :) |
| 13:45 | pianohacker | then back to school in the fall but details |
| 13:46 | magnuse | summer++ |
| 13:49 | pianohacker | indeed |
| 13:56 | * magnuse | is looking forward to 7 weeks of paternity leave |
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| 14:31 | vfernandes | hi ;) |
| 14:31 | i proud to announce that 3.16 is fully translated to portuguese... | |
| 14:31 | pianohacker | woo! |
| 14:31 | vfernandes++ | |
| 14:32 | vfernandes | 3.8, 3.10, 3.12, 3.14 and 3.16 fully translated ;) |
| 14:32 | nengard | :) |
| 14:32 | cait | vfernandes++ :) |
| 14:32 | vfernandes | now one question: 3.16.1 will be released when? |
| 14:33 | cait | hm i think it is already on the way |
| 14:33 | gmcharlt: ping? | |
| 14:33 | wahanui | Using deft allegory, the authors have provided an insightful and intuitive explanation of one of Unix's most venerable networking utilities. http://www.amazon.com/Story-ab[…]oks/dp/0448421658 |
| 14:33 | * oleonard | would like to fix Bug 12468 by punching in the face whoever decided that putting the copyright symbol into MARC was a good idea |
| 14:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12468 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , copyright symbol not translating right |
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| 14:33 | cait | oleonard: sounds like a good solution to me :) |
| 14:34 | oleonard: not sure why it created problems... probably because they didn't use the utf-8 char for that? (i just guess there must be one) | |
| 14:36 | nengard | agreed oleonard |
| 14:41 | tcohen | oleonard++ |
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| 14:57 | tcohen | debian squeeze iso? |
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| 14:58 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 14:58 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #284: "<cait> you won't suggest cataloguing our bugs in MARC... right?" (added by gmcharlt at 06:40 PM, November 27, 2013) |
| 15:03 | cait | :) |
| 15:04 | gmcharlt: vfernandes had asked about the release date for 3.16.1 | |
| 15:04 | gmcharlt | cait: vfernandes: I will be cutting 3.16.1 tomorrow morning |
| 15:04 | cait | i have one more bug cou miyhg tant to soncider |
| 15:05 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 15:05 | cait | bug 12454 |
| 15:05 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12454 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Can't add new patron categories |
| 15:05 | cait | oh, maybe it's not a probelm in 3.16 |
| 15:05 | right, i remember now - forget i asked :) | |
| 15:05 | gmcharlt | no, it's not |
| 15:06 | cait | all good |
| 15:06 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:07 | pianohacker | gmcharlt: Any chance for http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12393 ? Have talked to eythian about the relevant packaging difficulties |
| 15:07 | huginn | 04Bug 12393: normal, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Master , OverDrive does not depend on SSL modules for LWP, causing searches to fail |
| 15:07 | gmcharlt | and he said what? |
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| 15:09 | pianohacker | gmcharlt: He grumbled but said he could cut a separate 3.16 package for the overdrive dependencies |
| 15:09 | gmcharlt | works for me |
| 15:12 | vfernandes | thanks gmcharlt for the feedback :) |
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| 15:15 | pianohacker | gmcharlt: cool, thanks |
| 15:17 | tcohen | go argentina :-D http://snag.gy/bnhbW.jpg |
| 15:18 | cait | no grey hairs from being RM yet? :) |
| 15:20 | tcohen | not yet :-D still a happy guy |
| 15:20 | the guys bought me the official t-shirt for my birthday | |
| 15:23 | cait | :) |
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| 15:42 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11715: Update POD for get_template_and_user <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]049080607852066d9> / Bug 11715: require authentication for various staff scripts <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]99bd93c5448160da5> / Bug 11715 : require authentication for the cataloging authorities Z39.50 search <http://git.koha-comm |
| 15:45 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 16:27 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_Master_D7 build #24: UNSTABLE in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_Master_D7/24/ |
| 16:27 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 11715: Set the default of authnotrequired = 0 in get_template_and_user | |
| 16:27 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 11715: require authentication for the cataloging Z39.50 search | |
| 16:27 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 11715 : require authentication for the cataloging authorities Z39.50 search | |
| 16:27 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 11715: require authentication for various staff scripts | |
| 16:27 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11715: Update POD for get_template_and_user | |
| 16:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11715 is not accessible. |
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| 16:39 | jcamins | pianohacker: I saw this and thought of you: http://kingjamesprogramming.tumblr.com/ |
| 16:41 | drojf | is it just me or is it impossible to run nagios/icinga on the same server as koha? some permission stuff seems to go berzerk with apache2-mpm-itk |
| 16:42 | cait | drojf: no idea and hi :) |
| 16:42 | drojf | hi cait :) |
| 16:42 | and :( ^^ | |
| 16:48 | jcamins | @time boulder, co |
| 16:48 | huginn | jcamins: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 16:52 | pianohacker | there are some amazing gems in there jcamins |
| 16:53 | jcamins | You know, I should just keep a world map with timezones above my monitor. |
| 16:54 | pianohacker | that would be a very useful plugin for the bot though |
| 16:55 | jcamins | I have enough trouble remembering what time it is in California, much less Colorado. |
| 16:56 | pianohacker | yeah... I thought I had it down between Germany, Colorado, the East and West Coasts and New Zealand |
| 16:56 | then I came to CT for business and woke up my gf in Seattle at 5 in the morning with a text | |
| 16:57 | jcamins | I don't even pretend to have it straight. |
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| 18:05 | * oleonard | wonders why he received a "sandbox is not ready!" message after trying to set up a sandbox |
| 18:09 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #5 for job Koha_3.16.x_U14 (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) |
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| 18:37 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.16.x_U14 build #5: STILL UNSTABLE in 28 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.16.x_U14/5/ |
| 18:37 | Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation updates for 3.16.01 release | |
| 18:44 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 18:44 | wahanui | o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
| 18:44 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_Master_D7 build #25: FIXED in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_Master_D7/25/ |
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| 19:50 | tcohen | +bye #koha |
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| 20:28 | jburds_ | Is someone from Bywater able to call me on Ticket 20022. We are frozen. |
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| 22:24 | eythian | wahanui: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ is <reply>┳━┳ ノ( ゜-゜ノ) |
| 22:24 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 22:24 | eythian | also, hi |
| 22:27 | cait | hi eythian |
| 22:54 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #6 for job Koha_3.16.x_U14 (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) |
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| 22:57 | pianohacker | (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ |
| 22:57 | wahanui | ┳━┳ ノ( ゜-゜ノ) |
| 22:57 | pianohacker | love it |
| 23:22 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.16.x_U14 build #6: STILL UNSTABLE in 28 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.16.x_U14/6/ |
| 23:22 | * Yohann Dufour: Bug 12416: add the test of DelUniqueDebarment | |
| 23:22 | * Yohann Dufour: Bug 12416: the subroutine 'ok' is replaced by the subroutine 'is' | |
| 23:22 | * Yohann Dufour: Bug 12416: add new tests of DelUniqueDebarment | |
| 23:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12416 normal, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Pushed to Stable , DelUniqueDebarment (Debarments.pm) is not tested in Borrower_Debarments.t |
| 23:22 | jenkins_koha | * Jesse Weaver: Bug 12393 - Depend on SSL module for LWP, for OverDrive |
| 23:22 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 12086 - Hold priorities incorrect, when waiting status was reversed | |
| 23:22 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12086: qa-followup: remove warning on launching unit tests | |
| 23:22 | * Robin Sheat: Bug 12350 - disable apache indexes | |
| 23:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12393 normal, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Stable , OverDrive does not depend on SSL modules for LWP, causing searches to fail |
| 23:22 | jenkins_koha | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11292 - barcode scanner clicking 'save' |
| 23:22 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11292 [QA Followup] - Use noEnterSubmit instead of new keypress handler | |
| 23:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12086 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Hold priorities incorrect, when waiting status was reversed |
| 23:22 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12350 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Disable apache indexes on package installation by default | |
| 23:22 | jenkins_koha | * Yohann Dufour: Bug 12427: adding unit tests of module C4::Members::Attributes.pm |
| 23:22 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12427: Allow execution of UTs on a DB with issues | |
| 23:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11292 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , barcode scanner clicking 'save' |
| 23:22 | jenkins_koha | * David Cook: Bug 9093 - 008 forgetting what material type was chosen |
| 23:22 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 11715: Set the default of authnotrequired = 0 in get_template_and_user | |
| 23:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12427 normal, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Pushed to Stable , C4::Members::Attributes.pm needs unit tests |
| 23:22 | jenkins_koha | * Chris Cormack: Bug 11715: require authentication for the cataloging Z39.50 search |
| 23:22 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 11715 : require authentication for the cataloging authorities Z39.50 search | |
| 23:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9093 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , 008 forgetting what material type was chosen |
| 23:22 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11715 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Z39.50 search page does not check authorization | |
| 23:22 | jenkins_koha | * Galen Charlton: Bug 11715: require authentication for various staff scripts |
| 23:22 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11715: Update POD for get_template_and_user | |
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| 23:49 | tcohen | night |
| 23:58 | * dcook | reads scrollback and tries to imagine oleonard punching someone in the face |
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