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| 01:51 | jrshaw | Let me know if I am in the wrong place for this. I ran an update going from 3.14.7 to 3.16.0 and Apache broke. I'm new to linux so I am not sure where to be looking. The old config file is where it should be but the new Apache does not seem to be looking for it any more. I think this is related to bug 11404 |
| 01:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11404 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , add out-of-the-box support for Apache 2.4 |
| 02:16 | wizzyrea | you're probably right |
| 02:16 | it's easy to fix | |
| 02:17 | sudo a2ensite library.conf | |
| 02:17 | probably | |
| 02:17 | then restart apache | |
| 02:17 | sudo apache2ctl restart | |
| 02:17 | jrshaw ^ | |
| 02:19 | jrshaw | do I have to be in any particular directory when executing the command? (like /etc/koha) |
| 02:20 | wizzyrea | nope |
| 02:20 | jrshaw | thnaks. trying now... |
| 02:23 | It worked!!!! kudos. thanks, have a great evening,. etc. | |
| 02:34 | wizzyrea | :) yay! |
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| 02:53 | dcook | I love how there is an "in_array" sub in C4::Serials |
| 02:54 | Hmm, sarcasm doesn't get conveyed well over the internet.. | |
| 02:56 | wizzyrea | no, it came across pretty well actually |
| 02:57 | dcook | Whiny is conveyed extra well on the internet ;) |
| 02:59 | Serials is scary :( | |
| 03:17 | Aha! | |
| 03:17 | Whoever re-wrote C4::Serials::abouttoexpire...dudes... | |
| 03:29 | If a bib is attached to a sub with no serials...*explosion* | |
| 03:29 | I suppose you'll probably almost always have serials, but maybe not when initially setting up your serials... | |
| 03:36 | wizzyrea | do you mean a serial with no sub? |
| 03:36 | otherwise I suppose I'm not understanding your bug. | |
| 03:36 | dcook | Nope, a subscription without any received issues. |
| 03:36 | wizzyrea | you could often have a bib, with a sub, and no received serials |
| 03:36 | dcook | serial being the table for issues :S |
| 03:37 | Yeah, try to look at the MARC view of that in the intranet ;) | |
| 03:37 | *explosion* | |
| 03:37 | That particular view might be fixed by now but there are probably other places.. | |
| 03:37 | * dcook | is working on a fix |
| 03:37 | wizzyrea | hm, doesn't actually surprise me that it explodes there |
| 03:38 | nobody looks at the MARC view when they do patches. | |
| 03:38 | almost nobody. | |
| 03:39 | dcook | I think the patch that made the problem was reverted in 3.12 because it broke a test |
| 03:39 | * dcook | suspects that the test might have been changed later so that it didn't break the test in 3.14.. |
| 03:39 | dcook | catalogue/ISBDdetail.pl |
| 03:39 | catalogue/MARCdetail.pl | |
| 03:39 | opac/opac-serial-issues.pl | |
| 03:39 | serials/serial-issues.pl | |
| 03:39 | serials/serials-edit.pl | |
| 03:39 | serials/serials-collection.pl | |
| 03:39 | *boom* | |
| 03:39 | * dcook | shuts up for a bit :p |
| 03:40 | wizzyrea | so how do you set up your serial to test for this explodeyness |
| 03:43 | well I can't make it explode | |
| 03:44 | dcook | Link Subscription X to Bib Y, make sure that Subscription X has no issues at all, and then visit the marc detail on the staff client. |
| 03:44 | wizzyrea | doesn't explode |
| 03:44 | 3.14.04 | |
| 03:44 | dcook | O_o |
| 03:44 | I'm on 3.14.05 and it does | |
| 03:44 | I think it was pushed for 3.14.00 | |
| 03:44 | * dcook | wonders if it's a local thing... |
| 03:45 | dcook | Ah.. |
| 03:45 | Perhaps it is local.. | |
| 03:45 | At least for the MARC view page | |
| 03:46 | wizzyrea | yea, even on current master, it doesn't explode |
| 03:46 | dcook | Hmm |
| 03:46 | wizzyrea | it seems like it would be pretty common to have a bib -> sub -> no received items |
| 03:46 | dcook | Agreed |
| 03:46 | wizzyrea | this definitely isn't exploding |
| 03:47 | dcook | Double check your serials table |
| 03:47 | Nothing at all in it attached to that subscription? | |
| 03:47 | wizzyrea | 1s |
| 03:47 | dcook | ? |
| 03:48 | Definitely exploding on 3.14.05 without customizations | |
| 03:48 | My bad about received issues | |
| 03:48 | It's no issues at all | |
| 03:48 | So if you have generated one that is expected, you should be ok | |
| 03:48 | wizzyrea | I wonder |
| 03:48 | if when they created this serial | |
| 03:48 | they didn't provide a first number | |
| 03:48 | dcook | First number? |
| 03:49 | wizzyrea | because creating one from scratch, it auto generated an expected serial |
| 03:49 | let me delete the one it created | |
| 03:49 | you shouldn't ever have 0 received serials if that's the case- it's always going to create one | |
| 03:49 | dcook | O_o |
| 03:49 | wizzyrea | but even if I delete it |
| 03:49 | it still doesn't explode | |
| 03:50 | in fact, if I do delete it | |
| 03:50 | it autocreates the next one | |
| 03:50 | dcook | I'll try making one from scratch and see what happens |
| 03:50 | wizzyrea | and sets it to expected |
| 03:51 | dcook | Interesting.. |
| 03:51 | wahanui | interesting is, like, sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 03:51 | dcook | I see what you're saying now |
| 03:51 | Makes me wonder how this scenario was even made.. | |
| 03:52 | Mmm, it was a migration | |
| 03:52 | Maybe it didn't always create an expected | |
| 03:52 | * dcook | recalls hearing about some serials and acquisitions issues moving from 3.8.0 to 3.14.5 |
| 03:54 | dcook | Thanks for looking at that, wizzyrea :) |
| 03:54 | * dcook | is tempted to check some of the other upgrades.. |
| 03:57 | dcook | Hmm I swear they made them all today though.. |
| 03:58 | wizzyrea | maybe the prediction pattern is nonsensical? |
| 03:58 | dcook | Or missing? |
| 03:58 | wahanui | it has been said that missing is usualy library only, an item that's not out |
| 03:58 | * dcook | is going to try something.. |
| 03:59 | wizzyrea | or they didn't provide a numbering pattern? |
| 03:59 | cool story, numbering pattern is required but it isn't marked as such :P | |
| 03:59 | dcook | Hmm, you have to have a numbering pattern :/ |
| 03:59 | hehe | |
| 04:00 | Length or end date is also required but not marked | |
| 04:00 | Although that might make more sense | |
| 04:00 | wizzyrea | end date isn't required |
| 04:00 | it computes it | |
| 04:00 | based on what you give | |
| 04:00 | at least it should | |
| 04:00 | it did on mine | |
| 04:00 | dcook | Mine said you had to give a length or an end date |
| 04:00 | wizzyrea | I told it 1/year, starting 1 june, with subscription length of 12 issues |
| 04:01 | and it gave me an end date of 2026 | |
| 04:01 | which: 2026 is "only" 12 years away. | |
| 04:01 | madness. | |
| 04:01 | wahanui | madness is manyfold - ask me for the second sign of madness. |
| 04:01 | wizzyrea | second sign of madness? |
| 04:01 | wahanui | well, second sign of madness is hairs on the palms of my hands |
| 04:01 | wizzyrea | true enough. |
| 04:01 | true enough is <reply> I know, that's why I said it. | |
| 04:01 | true enough | |
| 04:01 | wahanui | I know, that's why I said it. |
| 04:02 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 04:03 | dcook | hehe |
| 04:04 | Apparently all the subscriptions were made today :S | |
| 04:04 | So somehow this person managed to create a subscription without an issue of any kind | |
| 04:04 | wizzyrea | you should double check that all of the tables are ok schema-wise |
| 04:04 | esp if it's an upgrade | |
| 04:04 | dcook | How do you mean? |
| 04:04 | Mm | |
| 04:04 | Yeah, the upgrade-database.pl script has its issues... | |
| 04:05 | wizzyrea | perhaps there was an updatedatabase that wasn't right |
| 04:05 | for your specific set of circumstances | |
| 04:05 | so it didn't run, so there's not a table/column for your data | |
| 04:05 | dcook | I don't know. Because I'm getting the same behaviour you describe now. |
| 04:05 | I can't duplicate a sub without issues | |
| 04:05 | Ah, nah. | |
| 04:05 | The other subscriptions are working fine | |
| 04:06 | wizzyrea | and if you create a new one, that's ok? |
| 04:06 | you david? | |
| 04:06 | dcook | Yep |
| 04:07 | Me david? | |
| 04:07 | wizzyrea | you YOU, not you your librarian |
| 04:07 | nvm. You. you. | |
| 04:07 | you know. | |
| 04:07 | you | |
| 04:07 | <head explodes> | |
| 04:07 | dcook | lol |
| 04:07 | Yep, me | |
| 04:07 | Them, too | |
| 04:07 | Don't know why just this one | |
| 04:10 | wizzyrea | you have several examples? |
| 04:10 | dcook | I think I'm going to manually fix this one and then if it happens again...further investigation |
| 04:10 | wizzyrea | or only one example? |
| 04:10 | dcook | Just one example |
| 04:10 | wizzyrea | sounds like a sunspot to me. |
| 04:10 | dcook | I'm starting to think so |
| 04:10 | wizzyrea | we are swimming in CME at the moment. |
| 04:11 | dcook | Chamber of Minerals and Energy? |
| 04:11 | wizzyrea | :) coronal mass ejections |
| 04:11 | which sounds awfully dirty | |
| 04:11 | dcook | If I were less honest, I would say that I knew that and I just wanted you to spell it out :p |
| 04:11 | * dcook | actually had no idea |
| 04:11 | dcook | But food! |
| 04:12 | Thanks again for helping me troubleshoot, wizzyrea :) | |
| 04:12 | You're the best! | |
| 04:14 | wizzyrea | ah no worries :) fun diversion for a friday |
| 04:19 | dcook | Friday! |
| 04:19 | I get to wake up early in the morning and help friends move | |
| 04:20 | * dcook | had a similar altruism vs selfishness moment this morning when he returned a sweater to a lady who had dropped it without noticing |
| 04:20 | dcook | Did I do it because it was the good thing to do? Because it made me feel good about myself? Both? Shades between? |
| 04:20 | Or satisfying guilt of some kind? | |
| 04:20 | Perhaps more difficult with the sweater instance, but in terms of moving...a lot of people helped me move in the past | |
| 04:21 | But I've only ever helped one person outside myself/my partner/my family move | |
| 04:21 | About time I paid up :p | |
| 04:21 | Plus, they needed help and they're my friends. | |
| 04:41 | mtj | random friday arvo Q here... |
| 04:42 | does anyone recall how to query zebra for an index... specifically the subject index | |
| 04:42 | using yaz-client | |
| 04:42 | my yaz/pqf foo is a tad rusty | |
| 04:44 | dcook | You're in luck :) |
| 04:45 | 1=21 | |
| 04:45 | @attr 1=21 "subject" | |
| 04:45 | huginn | dcook: downloading the Perl source |
| 04:45 | dcook | f @attr 1=21 "subject" |
| 04:45 | That last one is the complete thing you'd type into yaz-client :) | |
| 04:45 | Where "subject" is replaced with what you want to search | |
| 04:46 | If it's a phrase, you might need to add a form attribute.. | |
| 04:46 | @attr 4=1 | |
| 04:46 | huginn | dcook: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 04:46 | dcook | mtj: basically just look in ccl.properties :) |
| 04:47 | mtj | Subject 1=21 |
| 04:49 | cheers , thats a good start | |
| 04:50 | dcook | Everything you need should be in ccl.properties :) |
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| 05:42 | dcook | marc status? |
| 05:42 | wahanui | it has been said that marc status is http://www.loc.gov/marc/status.html |
| 05:42 | dcook | Yay |
| 05:42 | (Of course, one day wahanui will say "Dead", and we'll rejoice more) | |
| 05:56 | Dang I wish there were a better way for framework management... | |
| 05:58 | * dcook | wonders if the "repeatable", "mandatory", or "authorised_value" columns even get used from "marc_tag_structure" |
| 05:59 | dcook | I'm sure they do at the subfield level but probably not at the tag level... |
| 06:01 | cait | repeatableandmandatory i think so |
| 06:01 | and authorised value maybe if it was a control field? | |
| 06:02 | dcook | Ah, good one |
| 06:02 | Damned control fields... | |
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| 06:10 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:11 | hands out bunches of round tuits to celebrate the 5 year anniversary of libriotech | |
| 06:13 | dcook | hehe |
| 06:13 | yay magnuse! | |
| 06:24 | magnuse | :-) |
| 06:29 | @later tell JesseM not sure what you mean by "fast rebuild cronjob"? | |
| 06:29 | huginn | magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
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| 06:42 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:42 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:42 | wahanui | hello, alex_a |
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| 07:04 | dcook | Interesting...can't seem to get rid of the 440 field even though it's obsolete... |
| 07:04 | That $9 seems to keep it tethered there.. | |
| 07:04 | Joubu | hello |
| 07:04 | wahanui | hello, Joubu |
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| 07:34 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 07:35 | magnuse | kia ora cait! |
| 07:35 | cait | kia ora magnuse! |
| 07:43 | ashimema | monring |
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| 07:45 | cait | morning ashimema |
| 07:45 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:55 | magnuse | monring ashimema and gaetan_B |
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| 08:30 | magnuse | tjänare Viktor |
| 08:30 | Viktor | hej magnuse :) |
| 08:31 | magnuse | Viktor: on scale from 1 to 10, how happy are you about getting your first patch into koha? |
| 08:34 | Viktor | Lol - not quite shure a scale to just 10 will suffice :) |
| 08:34 | The hard part now is to find something suitable small for the next patch. | |
| 08:36 | magnuse | bugzilla is your friend |
| 08:36 | Viktor | True. To do a few small ones already reported makes it easier to find suitable bugs for practice. |
| 08:37 | I've been looking into 10067 and have a workflow that would solve it but don't get the jQuery parts for a proof of concept right. | |
| 08:38 | But it's great fun anyhow :) | |
| 08:39 | magnuse | "new" bugs by severity: http://bit.ly/1lnuXJX |
| 08:39 | "trivial" and "minor" might be a good place to start | |
| 08:40 | Viktor | Thanks - sounds like a plan. |
| 08:40 | Anything fun going on with the Oslo project that is public? | |
| 08:41 | magnuse | https://github.com/digibib/armillaria |
| 08:48 | Viktor | *me thinks armillaria and the whole digibib repo looks like fun :) |
| 08:49 | * Viktor | don't have all IRC shortcuts committed to long term memory |
| 08:52 | magnus_meeting | :-) |
| 08:53 | yeah, lots of fun under digibib :-) | |
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| 10:18 | * cait | waves |
| 10:18 | cait | paul_p: are you around for a question maybe? |
| 10:18 | paul_p | cait hi. on phone |
| 10:19 | cait | i will write the question, maybe you can answer later :) I remember there used to be a feature to browse through a classification - is that in somewhere still functional? In one of your libraries maybe? I have someone asking a general question about how to do browsing in classifications in Koha |
| 10:19 | all i can think of so far is hierarchically linked authorities, but it's not really the same | |
| 10:29 | paul_p | cait = back. |
| 10:31 | cait = misc/cronjobs/build_browser_and_cloud.pl is probably the question to your answer. and it's oldies and not goodies... | |
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| 11:03 | cait | paul_p: do you know if someone is still using it? (sorry, was afk too) |
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| 11:22 | paul_p | cait (i'm back from lunch). No, I don't know. Not sure, and it would be good/cool to improve it ! |
| 11:23 | cait | paul_p: i will mention it in my answer with a warning that it will need some work |
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| 11:40 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
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| 12:25 | oleonard | Man, some of my librarians really hate the "browse shelf" feature... |
| 12:25 | Or at least they hate having to explain it to the patrons. | |
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| 12:27 | oleonard | nengard: Do you ever hear that librarians and/or patrons are confused about what "browse shelf" in the OPAC is? |
| 12:31 | nengard | yes |
| 12:31 | I've had to change the label once or twice | |
| 12:31 | not much though | |
| 12:31 | jcamins | oleonard: we had to change the label to "view nearby books." |
| 12:33 | oleonard | Librarians at one particular branch seem to hate it with a passion |
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| 12:41 | nengard | jcamins that's usually close to what i change it to |
| 12:41 | or exactly ... can't remember :) | |
| 12:56 | liw | speaking from utter ignorance: is the "browse shelf" feature something that shows you what other books are stored close by to the book you're currently viewing? |
| 12:57 | jcamins | Right. |
| 12:57 | Or might be. | |
| 12:57 | magnuse | 10 points to liw :-) |
| 12:59 | liw | I had to think really hard about to reach that conclusion, in case that datapoint is helpful; perhaps changing the phrasing to something like "Browse books stored on same or nearby shelf" would be better |
| 13:03 | oleonard | Or maybe, "Click here and a box will open up which displays books which might be near by on the same shelf as the one you're looking at, or maybe you're browsing videos, I don't know, maybe DVDs? Anyway..." |
| 13:06 | kivilahtio | Have a great weekend! |
| 13:06 | magnuse | oleonard: i'd vote for that |
| 13:06 | nengard | HA |
| 13:07 | oleonard | Or maybe "Browse shelf! And for the love of God if you don't know what that means don't click it you have no idea." |
| 13:11 | nengard | Double HA |
| 13:11 | oleonard++ | |
| 13:11 | hey - oleonard jquery question | |
| 13:12 | changing "don't have an account" to "Don't have a library card" | |
| 13:12 | ideas? | |
| 13:12 | thinking maybe quotes are screwing with me on this one | |
| 13:12 | pastebot | "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "jquery to change register link text" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/45 |
| 13:17 | oleonard | nengard: You have to take out the <p> |
| 13:18 | The html() function looks for the contents of the <p>, so it's not finding a match | |
| 13:25 | nengard | well duh |
| 13:25 | :) | |
| 13:25 | and ... nope that didn't do it :( | |
| 13:35 | oleonard | nengard_afk: Double-check it. It works for me. |
| 13:38 | pastebot | "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "oleonard like this?" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/46 |
| 13:40 | oleonard | Yup. Inside document.ready() of course |
| 13:42 | nengard | yup ... hmmmm |
| 13:42 | and grrrr | |
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| 13:53 | cait | hi yohann |
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| 15:14 | smrt | hi everyone! my library is converting our ILS to Koha and we were just wonderig if anyone has their authorities subdivisions ($x, $v, etc.) separated from the main entries ($a) and in their own authority file? |
| 15:19 | nengard | oleonard the issue with that jquery was a bug with the cart turne doff |
| 15:19 | turned off | |
| 15:19 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12422 | |
| 15:19 | huginn | 04Bug 12422: minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Javascript error triggered by opacbookbag being disabled while virtualshelves are enabled when using Bootstrap |
| 15:20 | oleonard | I see nengard. It's good watch Firebug for JavaScript error notifications when you're playing around with opacuserjs |
| 15:26 | nengard | yeah, still not sure of all the things firebug can do |
| 15:26 | or how to use them all :) | |
| 15:31 | oleonard | nengard: If the Firebug button is visible somewhere in Firefox's changing landscape of toolbars it should show a number in red if the page has a JS error |
| 15:37 | nengard | i think i've been using the built in inspector instead |
| 15:37 | almost all the same functionality but i never saw red ... | |
| 16:20 | talljoy | smrt i'm going to say most libraries do NOT separate out their authorities in that way |
| 16:21 | for example if a bib has a 650$aEducation$xCurricula then the matching authority record would be 150$aEducation$xCurricula At least in the data I've worked with that is how it is | |
| 16:34 | smrt | @talljoy so if $xCurricula needs to be changed in all the authorities we'd have to change each individual one? for example i have 150$aEducation$xCurricula and 150$aSchool$xCurricula id have to change both authorities? |
| 16:34 | huginn | smrt: downloading the Perl source |
| 16:35 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:36 | talljoy | smrt you would want to set the 'dontmerge' system preference to 'DO' so that updates to the authority record are reflected in the linked bibliographic records. |
| 16:39 | smrt | talljoy oh ok sure that make sense, thanks. |
| 16:39 | talljoy | no problem! |
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| 18:40 | jburds_ | Is there a bywatersolutions channel for customers? |
| 18:47 | JesseM | what can I help you with jburds_? |
| 18:47 | jburds_ | Just didn't know if ByWater had a private channel |
| 18:47 | JesseM | Most of the ByWater Team in always in te #koha channell |
| 18:47 | jburds_ | Finally got IRC setup |
| 18:47 | JesseM | very nice |
| 18:47 | jburds_ | Ok sounds good |
| 18:51 | * cait | waves |
| 18:57 | JesseM | Hi cait |
| 19:12 | cait | jacek++ |
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