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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 01:00 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 01:01 | tcohen | night #koha |
| 01:31 | @wunder quito, ecuador | |
| 01:31 | huginn | tcohen: The current temperature in Yanahuaico, Quito, Ecuador is 14.1°C (8:30 PM ECT on June 10, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032 hPa (Rising). |
| 01:33 | dcook | @wunder sydney, australia |
| 01:33 | huginn | dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 18.0°C (11:00 AM EST on June 11, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling). |
| 01:33 | dcook | Hm, maybe I should go outside... |
| 01:33 | hi btw :) | |
| 01:34 | eythian | @wunder nzwn |
| 01:34 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (1:00 PM NZST on June 11, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
| 01:35 | tcohen | hi dcook |
| 01:37 | i need internet to work flawlessly in the hotel, right now | |
| 01:37 | is it too much to ask? | |
| 01:40 | eythian: i liked your email on the packages | |
| 01:40 | eythian | cool |
| 01:40 | tcohen | 1 question about it: |
| 01:41 | if it was possible to force koha-common-3.14 -> koha-common-3.16 once 3.14 reaches EOL | |
| 01:41 | eythian | not that I know of |
| 01:41 | tcohen | something like a stub package that pulls the koha-common-3.16 dependency |
| 01:41 | eythian | not without having another package above it that controls that dependency |
| 01:42 | tcohen | hypothetically |
| 01:42 | eythian | so you could have 'koha-stable' that causes it to change. |
| 01:43 | tcohen | i was thinking it might be possible to have koha-common-3.14 be replaced by a stub package that pulls the next one or something like that |
| 01:43 | eythian | Hmm. I suppose you could. But then anyone who wants to keep 3.14 would be forced to upgrade, which defeats part of the purpose. |
| 01:44 | tcohen | i see it as a point of balance |
| 01:44 | between forcing the early upgrade, and keeping the old version that reached EOL | |
| 01:45 | eythian | If I were going that route, I'd probably have packages that depend on the current appropriate series, and have them do the upgrading. |
| 01:47 | tcohen | interesting |
| 01:47 | wahanui | it has been said that interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 01:47 | tcohen | looks like what i was thinking of should need three levels, right? |
| 01:48 | koha-3.14 being a meta package depending on koha-common-3.14 | |
| 01:48 | eythian | probably yeah, something like that. |
| 01:49 | tcohen | and we should finally make koha-common-3.14 have a dialog for setting a single instance |
| 01:50 | eythian | Hmm. At the least I'd like to have it configure koha-sites.conf, but it's possibly worth having it optionally walk through creating an instance. |
| 01:51 | tcohen | ahhh |
| 01:51 | * tcohen | agrees on setting koha-sites.conf |
| 01:53 | tcohen | eythian, btw has there been any discussion (at the beginning) on having sort of "instance registry" file for tracking instance creation parameters? |
| 01:54 | eythian | how do you mean? |
| 01:54 | tcohen | think of a json/yaml file where the maintenance/update scripts can take a look for making the right decisions |
| 01:54 | eythian | though, regardless of what you mean, I think the answer is no :) |
| 01:54 | ah, I see. | |
| 01:54 | No, but I think it would be a good idea. | |
| 01:57 | * tcohen | will try some ecuatorian beer right now, with the hope internet will be usable when he's back |
| 01:58 | eythian | :) |
| 02:07 | pianohacker | A vim plugin, of all things, leads me to ask if parentheses around the condition in a one-line conditional ('print "hi" if ( $hello )') are common convention |
| 02:09 | eythian | I don't tend to do it. |
| 02:10 | but I definitely have done it. | |
| 02:10 | pianohacker | Our perltidyrc doesn't do put them there... interesting. You see thm in all sorts of examples, always thought they were mandatory |
| 02:11 | eythian | only mandatory on the convential if form. |
| 02:11 | pianohacker | never a dull moment when you earn your daily bread from the perl parser |
| 02:12 | eythian | heh |
| 02:13 | jcamins | pianohacker: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596001735.do |
| 02:14 | pianohacker | I do need to read that. |
| 02:14 | jcamins | I think it might actually be available online, though I'm not sure. |
| 02:14 | pianohacker | looks like there's a $30 PDF download, worthwhile investment |
| 02:15 | eythian | It's worth reading, however read it critically. |
| 02:15 | Also, skip the part on OO, I've been told. | |
| 02:16 | jcamins | I read the entire thing. |
| 02:16 | In one ear, out the other. | |
| 02:17 | pianohacker | eythian: by the way, I had a conversation with galen about the lwp thing. He mentioned that it was probably a good idea to not introduce a Depends in a minor version, and would prefer to have a koha-overdrive-perl-deps package for the 3.16 cycle |
| 02:18 | would that be a possibility | |
| 02:18 | ? | |
| 02:18 | eythian | pianohacker: yeahh.... |
| 02:18 | I'd probably put it in as a recommends. | |
| 02:18 | pianohacker | sorry to be the bearer of work :/ |
| 02:18 | eythian | and then in 3.18 move it to work normally. |
| 02:19 | if it's a recommends it shouldn't cause problems. | |
| 02:22 | tcohen | logo? |
| 02:22 | wahanui | logo is included in the tm I believe |
| 02:25 | tcohen | is there a repository with banners and logos for presentations? |
| 02:25 | eythian | I thought I saw something on the wiki once |
| 02:25 | rangi | yep |
| 02:26 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]s_and_Explanation you can get the logo there as an svg | |
| 02:26 | (down the bottom) | |
| 02:26 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Con12_logo_design | |
| 02:27 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ack-and-white.jpg i mostly use this one | |
| 02:28 | tcohen | thanks rangi and eythian |
| 02:34 | I f*ing love inkscape | |
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| 04:02 | irma | g'day all |
| 04:02 | I wonder if funding has been secured for "Koha Development Opportunity : Display of images in OPAC from multiple sources" | |
| 04:02 | as i am thinking about posting it on the kohaOZ elist | |
| 04:03 | tcohen | hi irma |
| 04:03 | irma | hi tcohen :-) |
| 04:07 | eythian | irma: see kathryn's followup post from this morning. |
| 04:07 | (short answer is "yes" :) | |
| 04:07 | irma | tcohen are you designing a Kohacon2014 logo? |
| 04:07 | tcohen | i'm not |
| 04:08 | there's other people on that | |
| 04:08 | irma | a team gets more work done :-) |
| 04:08 | tcohen | i'm "selling" Koha to ecuatorian universities and public institutions tomorrow and am preparing my presentation |
| 04:08 | :-D | |
| 04:09 | irma | tcohen you might like to add http://library.rijksmuseum.nl/ |
| 04:09 | tcohen | "selling" meaning convincing them to move open source and create an ecuatorian community |
| 04:09 | i wont add it | |
| 04:09 | irma | tcohen yep ... I understand ... and lots of "reassuring" |
| 04:09 | tcohen | i'mjealous |
| 04:09 | :-P | |
| 04:10 | (kidding of course, it looks impresive!) | |
| 04:10 | irma | tcohen Hope you win someone over tomorrow! Go Koha! |
| 04:10 | tcohen | their main concern is the long term |
| 04:11 | which we have covered :-D | |
| 04:11 | irma | Go tcohen! |
| 04:12 | tcohen | Go Koha! |
| 04:12 | :-D | |
| 04:18 | irma | eythian ++ thanks for the heads up....ah yes ... this is good news ... let's hope it will make it to koha 3.18 |
| 04:18 | eythian | irma: rangi was working on it today, making good progress. |
| 04:18 | irma | *into |
| 04:19 | cool | |
| 04:48 | pianohacker | question for any catalogers around. If a record doesn't have a title, where should it appear in a title-sorted set of records? |
| 04:49 | dcook: if you're around, would like to poke your brain on this :) | |
| 04:50 | tcohen | kohacon13 group photo? |
| 04:53 | eythian | pianohacker: I think Koha considered 245$a to be mandatory, so I guess it shouldn't appear :) |
| 04:54 | pianohacker | eythian: fair enough :) this is applying to z39.50 search, though, so expanding the question to other fields that could be blank? |
| 04:56 | * dcook | perks up |
| 04:57 | dcook | That's a good question. |
| 04:57 | I don't think I've ever catalogued anything without a title of some kind | |
| 04:57 | Why doesn't it have a title? | |
| 04:57 | pianohacker | Say the question, then, is sorting records by author |
| 04:57 | dcook | I'm thinking maybe it has a 240 instead of a 245? |
| 04:57 | pianohacker | Or that |
| 04:58 | dcook | Hmm.. |
| 04:58 | I imagine the answer would be to sort if by the 1xx entry | |
| 04:58 | eythian | I'm totally stuck on how to approach this browse search interface in a sane manner. I can do it in a way that involves fetching all the values to the code that generates it, but that has a real potential of being slow. |
| 04:58 | dcook | sort it* |
| 04:58 | tcohen | bye #koha, have a nice day/night |
| 04:58 | dcook | laterz tcohen |
| 04:59 | tcohen | goodbyezz |
| 04:59 | pianohacker | dcook: Right. Suppose you can't find an author-like field for a record, though. (And this is Z39.50 searching, so it's beyond your control.) Would you put those empty-authored records at the end or beginning? |
| 04:59 | bye tcohen | |
| 04:59 | heh | |
| 05:01 | dcook | pianohacker: Dang. No title and no author? :p |
| 05:02 | Well, I think most automated sorters would probably put it at the beginning...but I think it might make more functional sense to put it at the end. | |
| 05:02 | pianohacker | dcook: Let me fill you in on what I'm doing, my question might be less nonsensical then :) I'm working on a metasearch backend for Rancor, and trying to add sorting |
| 05:02 | dcook | Right-o |
| 05:02 | * dcook | seems to recall the demo at Kohacon13 :) |
| 05:02 | pianohacker | this unfortunately has to be done by the metasearch backend, target-side sorting seems to be inconsistent |
| 05:02 | (reimplementing on my own what pazpar2 formerly did) | |
| 05:03 | so I fetch 100 records from each target then sort all the results from the targets together | |
| 05:03 | (currently, for a proof of concept, by title) | |
| 05:07 | dcook | Sounds good to me |
| 05:08 | pianohacker | dcook: thus my question. I like your answer, though, makes sense that if you're sorting by a field things without that field are probably useless to you |
| 05:09 | dcook | I would think so |
| 05:09 | I noticed the other day that some Z39.50 results I was getting back didn't have titles... | |
| 05:09 | And were sorted to the top | |
| 05:09 | They annoyed me as they weren't useful for my test but I wonder why they didn't have titles.. | |
| 05:10 | * dcook | does a quick check while balancing the other things he's doing because why not :D |
| 05:10 | dcook | Hmm can't remember which db now.. |
| 05:11 | Hmm, would require a restore and I'm using that db.. | |
| 05:11 | pianohacker: So not entirely sure on that one, alas :/ | |
| 05:11 | How hard would it be to make it configurable? | |
| 05:11 | pianohacker | no worries, thanks anyway |
| 05:12 | dcook | Even if only configurable in a backend sense (i.e. easy to change later :P) |
| 05:12 | pianohacker | the latter is a good idea. |
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| 05:31 | pianohacker | hi ashimema! |
| 05:33 | ashimema | Hi pianohacker |
| 05:33 | pianohacker | how's it going? |
| 05:33 | ashimema | Not bad, bloody busy at the mo, but generally not bad |
| 05:33 | How's you? | |
| 05:34 | I've made a date with cait to go through shib next week.. Promising | |
| 05:35 | How's rancor coming along | |
| 05:36 | pianohacker | ashimema: glad to hear. Rancor is coming along fairly well, had to write a new Z39.50 search backend to replace pazpar2 (thus why I'm working at this hour), but otherwise slowly getting polished :) |
| 05:40 | ashimema: what's keeping you busy? | |
| 05:54 | cait joined #koha | |
| 05:55 | pianohacker | hi cait |
| 05:58 | cait | hi |
| 05:58 | wahanui | niihau, cait |
| 06:06 | ashimema joined #koha | |
| 06:07 | ashimema | Got a few koha projects going on, but actually most of my time has been spent on another product of late |
| 06:07 | Been rewriting a php mess in perl | |
| 06:08 | Oh, shame you've had to move away from pazpar2, what was wrong with it? | |
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| 06:14 | ashimema | Back.. Connection comes and goes allot this morning |
| 06:14 | Did I kiss anywything pianohacker | |
| 06:14 | Lol.. s/kiss/miss/ | |
| 06:15 | pianohacker | oh jeez. have fun with that PHP. And don't go kissin' no zebras |
| 06:15 | ashimema | s/anywything/anything/ |
| 06:15 | :-P | |
| 06:16 | So yeah, what went wrong with pazpar.. It'll be nice to rip out that dependency.. But hopefully its not left you with too much work | |
| 06:16 | Ouch..hard to deploy is one thing.. But segfaults.. That really isn't good | |
| 06:19 | Oh dear.. So are you using another library for z.. Or having to build your own. | |
| 06:20 | I've not found any others myself | |
| 06:20 | pianohacker | Using YAZ, seems to be working well enough |
| 06:22 | ashimema | Cool, well we've been using yaz allot for years.. Things its somewhat better maintained. Though the docs are still pretty incomprehensible |
| 06:22 | pianohacker | Yeah, though only to the level that most anything having to deal with Z39.50 is :) |
| 06:23 | ashimema | True, Z itself is pretty incomprehsible |
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| 06:44 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:45 | pianohacker | hi reiveune |
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| 06:56 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 06:56 | pianohacker | hello, gaetan_B |
| 06:56 | wahanui | hello, gaetan_B is looking at bug 9059 because of another problem i noticed, i want to ask you what you think : |
| 06:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9059 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, CLOSED FIXED, Increase size of opac-sendbasket window |
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| 06:57 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:58 | fridolin | hie all |
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| 07:00 | gaetan_B | hi pianohacker how are you doing ? |
| 07:00 | pianohacker | gaetan_B: good, just working late. How are you? |
| 07:00 | gaetan_B | good :) the day is only starting here |
| 07:02 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:02 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 07:02 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 15.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on June 11, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
| 07:02 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
| 07:02 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 22.8°C (9:02 AM CEST on June 11, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:02 | magnuse | :-) |
| 07:06 | pianohacker | marseille++ |
| 07:16 | magnuse | hehe |
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| 07:24 | Joubu | Does someone use CAS? It seems the CAS auth does not work on master, see bug 12398. |
| 07:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12398 major, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , CAS authentication not working |
| 07:29 | cait joined #koha | |
| 08:02 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 08:02 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 22.2°C (10:00 AM CEST on June 11, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:02 | cait | hm guess it will be just as warm as yesterday today :( |
| 08:06 | magnuse | cait: we have nice temps up here :-) |
| 08:06 | cait | too warm here for my taste :) |
| 08:06 | we had a thunderstorm last night, but it doesn't look like it did much | |
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| 08:27 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 08:31 | magnuse | hiya drojf |
| 08:33 | drojf | hei magnuse :) |
| 08:36 | cait | hi drojf :) |
| 08:36 | drojf | hi cait :) |
| 08:44 | magnuse | woohoo, Viktor got his first patch in! |
| 08:45 | cait | :) |
| 08:46 | magnuse | hm, doing a git pull on master now gives me an error related to MM-OPAC/bug_11169 |
| 08:46 | anyone else seen that? | |
| 08:47 | pastebot | "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "git pull on master" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/37 |
| 08:47 | Joubu | magnuse: yes, 2 days ago. You can launch the suggested git command |
| 08:50 | magnuse | Joubu: thanks, that did indeed solve it |
| 08:58 | bug 11401 introduces some new perl module dependencies - does it make sense to list them as "not required" in PerlDependencies.pm, since the functionality will only be used by norwegian libraries? | |
| 08:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11401 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Add support for Norwegian national library card |
| 09:00 | Joubu | magnuse: Yes, I think so. What is the deps? |
| 09:07 | magnuse | SOAP::Lite, Crypt::GCrypt, Convert::BaseN |
| 09:09 | ...and Test::DBIx::Class | |
| 09:13 | cait | hm the last one... looks generally useful somehow :) |
| 09:18 | magnuse | yeah, might make sense to require that |
| 09:22 | any tips on how to set the min_ver for new dependencies? | |
| 09:22 | cait | hm not sure |
| 09:22 | maybe the version that is in debian if that's what worked for yu? | |
| 09:23 | magnuse | guess i'm not even sure how to tell the versions i have installed... |
| 09:23 | i have tested on ubuntu, so far | |
| 09:24 | ah, i can use "About Koha" to check the versions :-) | |
| 09:28 | cait | reminder: today is dev meeting! |
| 09:30 | magnuse | yeah, at dinnertime... |
| 09:34 | drojf | when is it? |
| 09:35 | (and why is it not in the topic?^^) | |
| 09:35 | cait | because i couldn't figure out the right command to make that work when i tried yesterday |
| 09:35 | drojf | what about /topic ? :) |
| 09:35 | cait | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing,_11_June_2014 |
| 09:36 | Topic for #koha is now Koha Dev Meeting - today - 11 June 2014, 15:00 and 22:00 UTC | |
| 09:36 | cait | oh |
| 09:36 | drojf | :) |
| 09:36 | cait | it worked. |
| 09:36 | :) | |
| 09:36 | drojf | 15 utc is 13 for us? |
| 09:36 | cait | i think 17:00 |
| 09:36 | drojf | oh no 17 |
| 09:36 | cait | look at the links |
| 09:36 | drojf | right |
| 09:37 | magnuse | cait++ |
| 09:37 | and 22 is midnight | |
| 09:38 | cait | yep |
| 09:38 | i will run out early form the first one | |
| 09:38 | spanish lessons, but should be there for 45 mins or so | |
| 09:44 | magnuse | gah, looks like Convert::BaseN and Test::DBIx::Class are not packaged for debian |
| 10:09 | kivilahtio | http://www.karjalainen.fi/uuti[…]at-turhaa-viestia |
| 10:09 | its a bit in finnish | |
| 10:09 | but still :) | |
| 10:11 | cait | hopefully not about the email scandal? |
| 10:11 | :) | |
| 10:12 | kivilahtio | exactly about the email scandal |
| 10:12 | cait | oh noes |
| 10:12 | is it very bad? | |
| 10:12 | kivilahtio | maybe I am a bit crazy but I don't feel too bad about it |
| 10:12 | it might be because I am in such a shock still | |
| 10:12 | cait | poor kivilahtio :( |
| 10:13 | kivilahtio | I havent really been out in the circulation area |
| 10:13 | but its not bad where i sit in | |
| 10:14 | paxed | with the room door closed and locked? |
| 10:14 | cait | heh |
| 10:14 | kivilahtio | unfortunately it is open |
| 10:14 | and all kinds of people walk in and out constantly | |
| 10:14 | cait | i am sorry you ran into that... but kinda glad we didn't |
| 10:14 | kivilahtio | :) |
| 10:15 | cait | ... that's a bit mean probably *sends cookies* |
| 10:15 | kivilahtio | somebody needs to take the hit |
| 10:15 | now and then | |
| 10:15 | and we are piloting so... | |
| 10:16 | cait | i hope it's the last problem like this you run into |
| 10:20 | Joubu | kivilahtio: hum, or maybe it could be a good opportunity to ask for funding a rewrite of notifications... ;) |
| 10:21 | * cait | waves at Joubu |
| 10:21 | cait | will you be around this afternoon maybe |
| 10:21 | ? | |
| 10:21 | i hope i have time to give the patron generaion script a try :) | |
| 10:22 | Joubu | cait: yes, of course |
| 10:22 | cait | cool :) ok, have to run out for a bit, bbl |
| 10:22 | Joubu | ok, see you |
| 10:22 | cait | Joubu: can you be around for the dev meeting today? the first one |
| 10:22 | ? | |
| 10:23 | Joubu | cait: yes, I will try |
| 10:23 | cait | nice :) |
| 10:23 | kivilahtio | Joubu: I think the notifications system works quite well? Albeit a BIT hard to modify apparently :) |
| 10:23 | cait | gone now :) |
| 10:24 | Joubu | kivilahtio: unfortunately, there is no unit tests :-/ |
| 10:25 | kivilahtio | propably unit tests wouldn't have caught that issue |
| 10:25 | it is a hard to test issue anyway | |
| 10:26 | Joubu | kivilahtio: no, this issue would have been avoided with good unit tests. Or at least won't appear in the future... |
| 10:27 | kivilahtio | well if you have good unit tests... |
| 10:27 | last I checked unit tests are a pain | |
| 10:53 | cait | kivilahtio: it depends on the area but thy don't have to be |
| 10:54 | i think the db_dependent ones are not too bad to write now | |
| 10:55 | * cait | is back :) |
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| 11:54 | cait | Joubu++ :) |
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| 12:15 | cait | hi khall :) |
| 12:15 | khall: could you take a look at your patches still in the needs sign off queue? some have comments with quesions | |
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| 12:18 | talljoy | morning |
| 12:20 | oleonard | Hi everyone |
| 12:22 | cait | hi oleonard :) |
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| 12:29 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 12:29 | Joubu: trying your script now :) | |
| 12:29 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 27.5°C (2:25 PM CEST on June 11, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:30 | cait | Joubu: quie ugly borrowers :) |
| 12:31 | * cait | creates 2000 borrowers |
| 12:37 | cait | ah |
| 12:37 | the meeting is not today... but tomorrow | |
| 12:37 | no it's today... i am just confused because we hada holiday on monday | |
| 12:38 | magnuse | lol |
| 12:38 | oleonard | We need a meeting reminder bot |
| 12:39 | magnuse | both on irc and the mailinglist(s) |
| 12:39 | hourly emails to all koha lists ;-) | |
| 12:40 | oleonard | Also a bot that do all my work all the time forever |
| 12:40 | drojf | ou know it's a meeting when the emails stop. perfect! |
| 12:40 | *you | |
| 12:47 | cait | ok, sent a reminder |
| 12:47 | oleonard | cait++ |
| 12:47 | cait | hope without too many mistakes |
| 12:48 | Joubu | cait: yes, it is ugly... But it is the easier way I found :) |
| 12:48 | * oleonard | realizes he hasn't even opened his email yet this morning |
| 12:48 | cait | Joubu: i don't mind the ugliness :) |
| 12:50 | Joubu: i probably won't finish today before i have to run out again... but i am back on testing | |
| 12:53 | oleonard: how many patrons does your library have int he database? | |
| 12:54 | oleonard | 43178 (although not all are active patrons) |
| 12:54 | cait | oleonard: oh that's a lot |
| 12:54 | i am upping mine to 10.000 now | |
| 12:55 | i am testing bug9811 | |
| 12:55 | bug 9811 | |
| 12:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Patrons search improvements |
| 12:56 | cait | Joubu: you around still? |
| 12:56 | Joubu | cait: 125k in one of our bigger customer's DB. |
| 12:56 | cait | there is something weird |
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| 12:56 | cait | the cardnumber does show up as 0 for the added patrons |
| 12:57 | but if I go to the record, they have a cardnumber | |
| 12:57 | WfijQd.c.vhVedGT | |
| 12:57 | for example | |
| 12:57 | my older patrons have numeric cardnumbers that show up nicely it seems - could you take a look at that? | |
| 12:57 | * magnuse | created this script for generating borrowers many moons ago: https://github.com/Libriotech/[…]er/sim/patrons.pl |
| 12:57 | needs some fresh air | |
| 12:59 | Joubu | cait: I didn't understand, sorry |
| 12:59 | cait | give me a sec, i will explain again :) |
| 13:00 | Joubu: it will only display numeric cardnumbers - but cardnumbers can be alphanumeric | |
| 13:00 | i just checked: when the cardnumber is 123456 it displays, when it's one of the strings you generated or any string that is, it shows 0 instead | |
| 13:02 | Joubu | cait: ok, reproduced. |
| 13:02 | cait | I have to run in a few minuts, I will add a new comment to the bug in 10 mins |
| 13:04 | Joubu | I added that in the sql query CAST(borrowers.cardnumber AS UNSIGNED) AS cardnumber |
| 13:04 | I don't know why :-/ | |
| 13:06 | cait: patch sent. | |
| 13:06 | cait | now you were faster than me :) |
| 13:08 | much better now :) | |
| 13:13 | Joubu: i am not sure about keeping the 'all' for the numer of results | |
| 13:14 | i seems to make my browser almost crash with about 8000 patrons now | |
| 13:14 | Joubu | what do you suggest ? |
| 13:14 | 100 is not enought | |
| 13:15 | cait | not sure... more making a note |
| 13:15 | Joubu | Actually there is a regression if the "all" is not possible. |
| 13:15 | cait | maybe it's ok... and a trianing question |
| 13:15 | ah ok | |
| 13:15 | Joubu | with master, it is possible to add "all patrons" to a list |
| 13:15 | cait | we will keep it, it's not blocking really, just trying out a few mean things :) |
| 13:16 | i have a tiny thing: Branch in the filters should be labelled: library :) | |
| 13:17 | Joubu | khall: thank you for you new patch on bug 10612. It looks much more better and consistent |
| 13:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10612 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add ability to delete patrons with batch patron deletion tool |
| 13:18 | Joubu | your* |
| 13:21 | cait: k, fixed | |
| 13:21 | cait | lol |
| 13:21 | i just wanted to add my notes! | |
| 13:21 | Joubu | ok sorry :) I wait for the note! |
| 13:22 | cait | have to run - my bus leaves in 6 mins |
| 13:22 | bye all | |
| 13:22 | Joubu | cait: bye |
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| 13:26 | francharb | good morning #koha |
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| 13:40 | bgkriegel | Hi |
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| 14:33 | * cait | waves from the bookstore cafe :) |
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| 14:41 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 14:41 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 27.8°C (4:40 PM CEST on June 11, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
| 14:43 | Joubu | Does someone can explain me why the location is not displayed on this screen : http://pro.test8.biblibre.com/[…]g/addbooks.pl?q=d for the second record |
| 14:44 | Actually, I know why, looking at the code. If the "not for loan" is set, the location is not displayed. But I don't understand why | |
| 14:47 | * cait | takes a look |
| 14:47 | cait | what's the password joubu? |
| 14:47 | Joubu | cait: test/test |
| 14:48 | cait: if I remove the "not for loan" (set it to blank) for the item of the second record and reindex zebra, the location disappears and I get nothing in the location cell | |
| 14:48 | cait | i think i have to pass |
| 14:49 | it doesn't seem logical | |
| 14:49 | you mean location/ branch? | |
| 14:50 | are we talking about the missing item frm liberty that is not listed? | |
| 14:50 | * cait | might be a bit confused :) |
| 14:51 | Joubu | cait: http://pro.test8.biblibre.com/[…]g/addbooks.pl?q=d |
| 14:51 | there are 2 results | |
| 14:51 | for the second one, the "location" column is empty | |
| 14:51 | cait | yes, the first one is also looking weird - it says 9 centerville, but there is also an item at liberty |
| 14:51 | wahanui | okay, cait. |
| 14:51 | cait | and that doesn't show either |
| 14:52 | Joubu | hum yes, I didn't notice that... |
| 14:52 | so 2 bugs ? :-/ | |
| 14:53 | cait: no, the "liberty" item is in transit | |
| 14:54 | I suppose it is why it is not listed | |
| 14:54 | cait | this page is really confusing |
| 14:55 | i think i'd like to see a summary of the holdiings at all branches looking at that, but it seems to have some rules about what it shows | |
| 14:55 | * cait | better stays away from it |
| 14:55 | cait | :) |
| 14:56 | gmcharlt | good morning |
| 14:57 | cait | hi gmcharlt :) |
| 15:00 | gmcharlt | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting, 11 June 2014, part 1 |
| 15:00 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Jun 11 15:00:13 2014 UTC. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 15:00 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting, 11 June 2014, part 1) | |
| 15:00 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting__11_june_2014__part_1' |
| 15:00 | gmcharlt | #info Agenda is wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting,_11_June_2014 |
| 15:00 | #topic Introductions | |
| 15:00 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting, 11 June 2014, part 1) | |
| 15:00 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 15:00 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
| 15:00 | gmcharlt | #info Galen Charlton, ESI |
| 15:00 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
| 15:00 | phasefx | #info Jason Etheridge, ESI |
| 15:01 | slef | #info MJ Ray, software.coop, England |
| 15:01 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 15:01 | bgkriegel | #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Cordoba, Argentina |
| 15:02 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre |
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| 15:02 | gmcharlt | ok, thanks |
| 15:03 | tcohen is not here, so I'll skip the RM 3.18 update | |
| 15:03 | #topic Deprecate the OPAC prog theme officially | |
| 15:03 | Topic for #koha is now Deprecate the OPAC prog theme officially (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting, 11 June 2014, part 1) | |
| 15:03 | gmcharlt | so, we have a proposal to update the coding guidelines to officially deprecate the prog theme |
| 15:03 | and by extension, CCSR | |
| 15:04 | cait | ah yes, good point, also ccsr :) |
| 15:04 | I think we already decided that we will do it, but we should also add a note to the coding guidelines | |
| 15:04 | and maybe we should decide when we will remove the files? | |
| 15:05 | pastebot | "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Proposed wording" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/39 |
| 15:05 | cait | +1 #wording |
| 15:05 | slef | it'll take me a mo to open that |
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| 15:06 | gmcharlt | cait: IMO, ASAP |
| 15:06 | mtompset | #info Mark Tompsett |
| 15:06 | gmcharlt | and no new patches meant for master should touch those two themes |
| 15:07 | Joubu | yes, I completely agree. Actually I think it is already the case. |
| 15:07 | slef | welding seems OK |
| 15:07 | cait | gmcharlt: I think the sooner the better too - it will help enforcing the coding guideline :) |
| 15:07 | gmcharlt | Joubu: yeah, folks have already started with updating only Bootstrap |
| 15:07 | doesn't hurt to make it official | |
| 15:07 | OK, any further comments on the wording before we vote? | |
| 15:08 | cait | I think by maintaining the coding guidelines better we make it easier for new developers not falling into traps |
| 15:08 | mtompset | +1 # agreed on the nice wording |
| 15:08 | cait | also people that have been out for a while or are not hanging around in irc all the time :) |
| 15:08 | gmcharlt | *gasp* |
| 15:08 | Joubu | There is a problem with the votes on paste.k-c.org, they won't be accessible in the future |
| 15:08 | gmcharlt | is that possible?!?!? |
| 15:08 | ;) | |
| 15:08 | Joubu | But maybe should we c/p on the wiki after the meeting |
| 15:08 | gmcharlt | Joubu: I'll update the wiki ASAP tonight, assume that the change is approved |
| 15:09 | Joubu | +1 |
| 15:09 | bgkriegel | +1 |
| 15:09 | slef | 0 |
| 15:09 | cait | gmcharlt: keep the paste safe somewhere? just in case rangi restarts the server |
| 15:10 | thd | +0.5 |
| 15:10 | gmcharlt | #startvote Shall the change to the coding guidelines to deprecate OPAC and CCSR be approved (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855)? Yes, No, Abstain |
| 15:10 | huginn | Begin voting on: Shall the change to the coding guidelines to deprecate OPAC and CCSR be approved (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855)? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. |
| 15:10 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 15:10 | gmcharlt | (note the paste.lisp.org version, which won't expire) |
| 15:10 | #vote Yes | |
| 15:10 | oleonard | #vote Yes |
| 15:10 | drojf | #info Mirko Tietgen, lurking ^^ |
| 15:11 | Joubu | #vote Yes |
| 15:11 | slef | #vote abstain |
| 15:11 | bgkriegel | #vote Yes |
| 15:11 | drojf | #vote Yes |
| 15:11 | thd | #vote Yes |
| 15:11 | phasefx | #vote abstain |
| 15:11 | cait | #vote yes |
| 15:12 | is it case sensitive? | |
| 15:12 | #vote Yes | |
| 15:12 | gmcharlt | I don't think it is |
| 15:12 | * oleonard | jails cait for voting twice |
| 15:12 | cait | only the last vote counts - i read the instructions :) |
| 15:12 | thd | #comment Do not like outsourcing to a project created by Twitter. |
| 15:13 | drojf | we do that in europe ^^ |
| 15:13 | * gmcharlt | rouses the Chicago zombie electorate |
| 15:15 | gmcharlt | thd: it's licensed under the Apache License, and there's been no serious proposal to make any other way of having a responsive theme |
| 15:15 | one minute warning for closing the vote | |
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| 15:16 | gmcharlt | #endvote |
| 15:16 | huginn | Voted on "Shall the change to the coding guidelines to deprecate OPAC and CCSR be approved (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855)?" Results are |
| 15:16 | Yes (7): Joubu, cait, oleonard, gmcharlt, bgkriegel, thd, drojf | |
| 15:16 | Abstain (2): phasefx, slef | |
| 15:17 | gmcharlt | #agreed (pending confirmation) the coding guidelines will be updated per http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855 to discourage future patches from updating the prog and CCSR OPAC themes |
| 15:17 | thd | gmcharlt: Yes, I know. I am not claiming a necessarily better alternatiive would be easily produced. |
| 15:18 | gmcharlt | #topic UTF-8 Clean-up - Bug 11944 |
| 15:18 | Topic for #koha is now UTF-8 Clean-up - Bug 11944 (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting, 11 June 2014, part 1) | |
| 15:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 |
| 15:18 | mtompset | oleonard: She voted on my behalf? ;) |
| 15:18 | gmcharlt | so where I'm at personally with this is I'm spending the next 1.5 weeks reviewing the patches |
| 15:19 | and working on some search issues that Joubu identified | |
| 15:19 | Joubu | \o/ |
| 15:19 | cait | :) |
| 15:19 | Joubu | gmcharlt++ |
| 15:19 | cait | Joubu++ and gmcharlt++ |
| 15:19 | gmcharlt | my goal is to (1) get it ready for signoff by the end of the month |
| 15:19 | cait | let us know if there is help needed testing |
| 15:19 | i really want to see this patch series go in soon... and then we can move on to the next big problem :) | |
| 15:19 | gmcharlt | and schedule a GBSD in early July for as an opportunity for folks to run it throug its paces |
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| 15:20 | gmcharlt | at some point, I will be calling for volunteers (possibly including ESI) to host a test database or two |
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| 15:20 | gmcharlt | Joubu: and apropos of that, as far as the sandboxes are concerned, I anticipate at least one addition that may be relevant |
| 15:21 | Joubu | gmcharlt: I can add the patches on 1 or 2 sandboxes. But I don't have a good DB to test |
| 15:21 | gmcharlt | specifically, changing the default collation used by Koha MySQL database to utf8_unicode_ci |
| 15:22 | Joubu: see the last couple comments in bug 11811 for context on that | |
| 15:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11811 major, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, In Discussion , tools/import_borrowers.pl doesn't support utf-8 encoded CSV |
| 15:22 | Joubu | gmcharlt: ok, I note that |
| 15:22 | gmcharlt | #action gmcharlt to review the patches and ready theme for signoff by end of June |
| 15:23 | #action gmcharlt to schedule a GBSD in early July for general testing | |
| 15:23 | Joubu | #action Joubu change the default collation to utf8_unicode_ci on sandboxes |
| 15:23 | thd | *++ |
| 15:23 | Joubu | #action Joubu take a look at bug 11811 |
| 15:24 | cait | :) |
| 15:24 | gmcharlt | any other comments on the UTF8 stuff before we move on? |
| 15:25 | bgkriegel | possibility to backport to 3.16, 3.14...? (when it's ready) |
| 15:25 | Joubu | I think we are close to have a good utf8 support into Koha :) |
| 15:25 | gmcharlt | bgkriegel: maybe; I'm not sure at the moment |
| 15:26 | Joubu | bgkriegel: outch... |
| 15:26 | bgkriegel | Ok |
| 15:26 | thd | Joubu: Yes, except that some of the problem is a regression from where we had already been. |
| 15:27 | mtompset | Has any testing been added to prevent this type of regression again? |
| 15:27 | gmcharlt | mtompset: I think you can rest assure that I'm not going to sign off without making sure that there's sufficient regressions tests |
| 15:28 | * cait | likes regression tests :) |
| 15:28 | Joubu | Currently there is no tests |
| 15:28 | thd | Joubu: We will have good UTF-8 support when UTF-8 is the native character encoding for the multiverse. |
| 15:28 | mtompset | And that was the problem. :) |
| 15:28 | gmcharlt | Joubu: indeed; I fully expect to write a bunch |
| 15:28 | Joubu | But look at the patches |
| 15:28 | mtompset | Good to hear it will be rectified. |
| 15:28 | Joubu | when you look at the code after the patches, you understand it is the way to do |
| 15:29 | cait | i think it will put us in a cleaner state of things hopefully |
| 15:29 | Joubu | the code is much more easy, no decode/encode everywhere |
| 15:29 | and the unit tests are not easy to write since the problem does not exist in a specific routine | |
| 15:30 | gmcharlt | nonetheless, /me will write tests :) |
| 15:30 | ok, moving on | |
| 15:30 | #topic Big stuff we are working on | |
| 15:30 | Topic for #koha is now Big stuff we are working on (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting, 11 June 2014, part 1) | |
| 15:30 | gmcharlt | so, to get us started |
| 15:31 | Joubu: what big stuff is BibLibre working on nowadays? | |
| 15:31 | Joubu | Hum, not really. We have some big stuffs, already submitted on bz |
| 15:32 | we plan to rewrite the ACQ vat/gst management | |
| 15:32 | Laurence wrote a rfc, in french at the moment | |
| 15:32 | no code will be written without communication and feedback on this rfc | |
| 15:33 | gmcharlt | is there a link to the French version of the RFC? |
| 15:33 | Joubu | no |
| 15:33 | cait | Joubu: cool :) it would be good i think to get some different countries involved, i think france and germany are probably similar |
| 15:34 | but i seem to remember that nz/hlt had some different expectations | |
| 15:34 | would be good to get this settled and have everyone on the same page on how it shoudl work | |
| 15:35 | Joubu | yes, that why we need to communicate before writing any code |
| 15:35 | Same in Italy with talljoy | |
| 15:35 | And I really need to see the batch modification for biblios (and all fixes for marc modification template) tested. It a very big work, very powerful. And that fixes critical problems with the existing feature. | |
| 15:35 | thd | cait: NZ/HLT had standard expectations which were not different to what anyone anywhere who actually worked in a real world acquisitions process would expect. |
| 15:35 | mtompset | bug report number, Joubu? |
| 15:36 | cait | thd: i didn't mean to imply that their expectations weren't correct |
| 15:36 | talljoy | did i transport to italy? |
| 15:36 | i wish i was in italy.... | |
| 15:36 | :-) | |
| 15:36 | cait | i think it just works differently in different countries - and it's good to communicate |
| 15:36 | so we don't miss something important redoing it | |
| 15:36 | Joubu | bugs 11413, 11319 and 11395 |
| 15:36 | gmcharlt | and that includes hearing from the folks actually involved |
| 15:36 | fortunately, that's why we have a second part of this meeting :) | |
| 15:37 | thd | cait: rangi had once implied in error that NZ had special expectations which were not in fact special. |
| 15:37 | Joubu | talljoy: Sorry, I think you were Zeno :) |
| 15:37 | talljoy | :-D |
| 15:38 | gmcharlt | thd: I think we can wait for rangi to provide input directly |
| 15:38 | cait | Joubu: thx a lot for taking this on :) |
| 15:38 | thd | gmcharlt: I am merely identifying the issue historically as a reminder. |
| 15:39 | mtompset | 11395 looks like something I may try to get around to testing. |
| 15:39 | Joubu | The RFC looks complex, so I think all cases are possibles :) |
| 15:39 | gmcharlt | #info A project to revamp tax calculation in acquisitions is being considered by BibLibre; an RFC will be published |
| 15:39 | ok, any other big projects? | |
| 15:40 | Joubu | mtompset: yes, bug 11395 is the sexy one. The others one are important too, they fixes some important issues |
| 15:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11395 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Batch modifications for records |
| 15:40 | thd | Joubu: I believe that BibLibre would not be proposing something counter to what rangi had once identified as how acquisitions would be expected to work in NZ. |
| 15:41 | cait | so other big projects? :) |
| 15:41 | Joubu | gmcharlt: I think the column configuration for tables should be pushed soon, in order to adapt enough table before the 3.18 release |
| 15:41 | thd | Joubu: If you consult with people who do a real world acquisitions job, even without computer automation you will avoid going astray :) |
| 15:42 | Joubu | bug 10212 |
| 15:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10212 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Columns configuration for tables |
| 15:42 | cait | Joubu: i am currently working through the patron search improvements, i hope to tackle that next (if noone else is faster :) ) |
| 15:42 | gmcharlt | thd: and I think that point needs to be emphasized - we need folks who are *actually* dealing with the relevant tax processes in each country to provide input directly |
| 15:42 | with as few proxies as possible | |
| 15:42 | Joubu: I'll take a look | |
| 15:43 | Joubu | thd: not sure to understand. rangi is starting to develop something? |
| 15:44 | thd | Joubu: no, my comment merely refers to what had been a problem with some development from long ago. |
| 15:44 | Joubu | I think the discussion around a gst rewrite could be started after we will suggest a rfc |
| 15:44 | gmcharlt | agreed |
| 15:44 | thd | Joubu: My comment was historical. |
| 15:45 | gmcharlt++ | |
| 15:45 | Joubu | the idea is not to break anything, just understand the code. I develop the multi VAT management, I don't understand anything at the code... And I'm sorry about that. |
| 15:45 | my first big dev on Koha... | |
| 15:45 | cait | :) |
| 15:46 | always remember quote 123... it#s hard to keep up with libraries and their ideas :) | |
| 15:46 | gmcharlt | @quote get 123 |
| 15:46 | wahanui | http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 15:46 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 15:46 | Joubu | :) |
| 15:46 | gmcharlt | ok, moving on |
| 15:46 | re action items from the previosu meeting | |
| 15:46 | Joubu | nobody else has "big stuffs" ? |
| 15:47 | gmcharlt | basically, they concerned the UTF8 stuff and are underway |
| 15:47 | thd | Joubu: If you understand the task that the code performs or should perform even without understanding the existing code, then you are way ahead :) |
| 15:47 | mtompset | Actually... |
| 15:47 | cait | bag khall ping |
| 15:47 | mtompset | I don't have a project I'm working on... but what about the random test failure problem because of hashes? |
| 15:47 | cait | i have to leave - bye all :) |
| 15:48 | mtompset | Bye, cait. |
| 15:48 | gmcharlt | mtompset: tcohen and I have been kicking it around |
| 15:48 | nothing to reprot yet, but soonish hopefully | |
| 15:48 | mtompset | Okay. Just thought I'd ask about it. :) |
| 15:48 | Joubu | I QAed a patch this morning about random hashes |
| 15:49 | bug 12343 | |
| 15:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12343 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Passed QA , TransformKohaToMarc() is adding MARC subfields in random order |
| 15:50 | gmcharlt | Joubu++ |
| 15:50 | Joubu | mtompset: Is it the same thing you are talking about? |
| 15:50 | gmcharlt | different one, with QueryParser |
| 15:50 | Joubu | Ho yes! I forgot that |
| 15:50 | mtompset | No, I was thinking the QueryParser one. |
| 15:50 | Joubu | I had a look but looks quite complex |
| 15:52 | gmcharlt | as far as setting the next meeting time is concerned, I propose that we punt that to koha-devel for a time when tcohen is back home |
| 15:52 | Joubu | yep |
| 15:53 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 15:53 | thanks, everybody | |
| 15:54 | #endmeeting | |
| 15:54 | Topic for #koha is now Koha Dev Meeting - today - 11 June 2014, 15:00 and 22:00 UTC | |
| 15:54 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Jun 11 15:54:02 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:54 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-06-11-15.00.html | |
| 15:54 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]4-06-11-15.00.txt | |
| 15:54 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]11-15.00.log.html | |
| 15:54 | Joubu | For information, Yohann started to write patches :) see bug 12406 |
| 15:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12406 normal, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Needs Signoff , Adding a column maxsuspensiondays in the table issuingrules breaks the UT t/db_dependent/Circulation_Issuingrule.t |
| 15:55 | Joubu | He has fixed a bug I introduced. An intern is very useful :p |
| 15:55 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 15:56 | thd | Joubu: Was it rangi's patch for bug #12343 which you were testing? |
| 15:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12343 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Passed QA , TransformKohaToMarc() is adding MARC subfields in random order |
| 15:58 | Joubu | thd: there is not patch from rangi on 12343 |
| 15:59 | thd | Joubu: Oh, I see now that maybe rangi was also testing. |
| 16:00 | Joubu, Is the patch working by sorting on the keys using the standard alphanumeric sort function? | |
| 16:00 | Joubu | thd: yes |
| 16:01 | Have to leave. Bye all | |
| 16:01 | thd | Joubu: While that would be a great improvement on random it would still be wrong. |
| 16:01 | Joubu: I will comment on the bug later. | |
| 16:40 | reiveune | bye |
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| 18:49 | mtompset | gmcharlt: I prefer using the shorter URL -- http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
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| 20:55 | cbrannon | Anyone here familiar with the Koha sandboxes? |
| 20:56 | cait | where ar you stuck? |
| 20:57 | cbrannon | If I am loading a patch and it throws up errors, do I just post the error in the bugzilla ticket, or do I set to Failed QA? |
| 20:57 | cait | hm |
| 20:57 | it depends a bit on the error | |
| 20:57 | pasting it is ok | |
| 20:57 | i think i would put patch does not apply | |
| 20:57 | it's another status | |
| 20:58 | cbrannon | I run into this once in a while, but never knew exactly what to do. I'll do that status. Thanks. :) |
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| 21:59 | gmcharlt | meeting in one minute |
| 22:00 | * cait | gets ready |
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| 22:01 | gmcharlt | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting, 11 June 2014, part 2 |
| 22:01 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Jun 11 22:01:03 2014 UTC. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 22:01 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 22:01 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting, 11 June 2014, part 2) | |
| 22:01 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting__11_june_2014__part_2' |
| 22:01 | gmcharlt | #info Agenda is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing,_11_June_2014 |
| 22:01 | #topic Introductions | |
| 22:01 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting, 11 June 2014, part 2) | |
| 22:01 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 22:01 | gmcharlt | #info Galen Charlton, ESI |
| 22:01 | eythian_ | #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, NZ |
| 22:01 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
| 22:02 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 22:03 | rangi | #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst NZ |
| 22:03 | * thd | is merely semi-present |
| 22:04 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 22:04 | in tcohen's absence, we'll skip the RM 3.18 update | |
| 22:04 | #topic Deprecate the OPAC prog theme officially | |
| 22:04 | Topic for #koha is now Deprecate the OPAC prog theme officially (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting, 11 June 2014, part 2) | |
| 22:04 | wizzyrea | #info Liz Rea, Catalyst NZ |
| 22:04 | gmcharlt | #info Current proposal for wording in the coding guidelines: (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855 |
| 22:05 | this was voted on in the first meet | |
| 22:05 | ing | |
| 22:05 | any questions, comments, or other feedback before we vote on it here? | |
| 22:06 | wizzyrea | besides, "good riddance?" |
| 22:06 | gmcharlt | (no! we must keep at the historical dead things!) |
| 22:06 | ;) | |
| 22:07 | #startvote Shall the change to the coding guidelines to deprecate OPAC and CCSR be approved (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855)? Yes, No, Abstain | |
| 22:07 | huginn | Begin voting on: Shall the change to the coding guidelines to deprecate OPAC and CCSR be approved (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855)? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. |
| 22:07 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 22:07 | eythian_ | #vote yes |
| 22:07 | cait | i was at the first meeting, so I won't vote again |
| 22:07 | wizzyrea | #vote yes |
| 22:07 | rangi | #vote yes |
| 22:07 | thd | wizzyrea: The grass is always greener elsewhere until you have discovered all the difficulties of digesting especially green grass :) |
| 22:08 | mtompset | #vote yes. |
| 22:08 | huginn | mtompset: yes. is not a valid option. Valid options are Yes, No, Abstain. |
| 22:08 | mtompset | #vote yes |
| 22:08 | wizzyrea | that grass is pretty much dead. |
| 22:08 | mtompset | (since I didn't get inthe first meeting. ;) ) |
| 22:08 | #info Mark Tompsett | |
| 22:08 | gmcharlt | one minute too vote closing |
| 22:08 | * thd | already voted yes with concerns about even free software projects originating at Twitter. |
| 22:10 | gmcharlt | #endvote |
| 22:10 | huginn | Voted on "Shall the change to the coding guidelines to deprecate OPAC and CCSR be approved (http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855)?" Results are |
| 22:10 | Yes (4): eythian_, wizzyrea, rangi, mtompset | |
| 22:10 | gmcharlt | #agreed the coding guidelines will be updated per http://paste.lisp.org/display/142855 to discourage future patches from updating the prog and CCSR OPAC themes |
| 22:11 | #topic UTF-8 Clean-up - Bug 11944 | |
| 22:11 | Topic for #koha is now UTF-8 Clean-up - Bug 11944 (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting, 11 June 2014, part 2) | |
| 22:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 |
| 22:11 | gmcharlt | #info (from part 1) gmcharlt has action items to review patches and redy them for signoff by end of June |
| 22:12 | #info also action item to schedule a GBSD dedicated to it in early July | |
| 22:12 | #info Joubu has action item to look at bug 11811 and look at adjusting on or more sandboxes to use the utf8_unicode_ci collation in their mysql databases | |
| 22:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11811 major, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, In Discussion , tools/import_borrowers.pl doesn't support utf-8 encoded CSV |
| 22:12 | gmcharlt | needless to say, anybody else who wants to join in patch review is very much welcome to |
| 22:14 | any comments before we move on? | |
| 22:14 | cait | apart from patch review i think there are some remaining problems |
| 22:15 | rangi | ? |
| 22:15 | cait | hm, trying to phrase that better |
| 22:15 | thd | cait: Do you mean problems within the scope of the bug but out of scope for the existing patches? |
| 22:15 | cait | there are some known issues still that need to be solved in the patch series |
| 22:16 | gmcharlt | right, Joubu had identified a couple issues in the bug that he wants some help writing patches for |
| 22:16 | I'll undertake them as part of my review, but again, more eyes welecome | |
| 22:16 | cait | yes, thx gmcharlt |
| 22:16 | gmcharlt | welcome, even |
| 22:16 | cait | and thx again for working on those :) |
| 22:16 | thd | *++ |
| 22:17 | gmcharlt | ok, moving on |
| 22:17 | #topic Big stuff we are working on | |
| 22:17 | Topic for #koha is now Big stuff we are working on (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting, 11 June 2014, part 2) | |
| 22:17 | gmcharlt | #info BibLibre is working on an RFC for revamping how taxes are handled in acquisitions |
| 22:17 | wizzyrea | biblibre++ |
| 22:18 | rangi | im working on the mulitple bookcovers dev, that you would have seen kathryns email about, its not that big, should have something to submit in a couple of weeks |
| 22:18 | gmcharlt | since the IRS's grand scheme to TAX THE WHOLE WORLD is not quite complete... feedback from everybody is essential |
| 22:18 | to ensure that the outcome works well enough for everybody | |
| 22:18 | thd | Did I understand that the BibLibre acquisitions RFC is awaiting more work before publishing it in English? |
| 22:19 | * eythian | is no longer busmeeting. |
| 22:19 | gmcharlt | that's my understanding |
| 22:19 | or at the very least, they're working on translating it | |
| 22:20 | #info rangi is working on support for multiple sources of book covers | |
| 22:20 | eythian: how is ES coming along? | |
| 22:21 | eythian | gmcharlt: quite well. Implementing all that's on the advanced search page is almost done (availability is slightly tricky for unexciting reasons.) |
| 22:21 | Still figuring out how to do the browse interface stuff, but have some leads on that. | |
| 22:21 | gmcharlt | cool |
| 22:21 | any other projecst? | |
| 22:21 | eythian | I'm hoping to put patches up for testing reasonably soon |
| 22:21 | thd | rangi: Do you mean multiple live sources? |
| 22:21 | pianohacker | Oh right dev meeting |
| 22:21 | eythian | very alpha testing. |
| 22:22 | wizzyrea | defining availability has always been a question. |
| 22:22 | thd | rangi: Or is there a bug blocking the use of stored images for book covers? |
| 22:23 | pianohacker | Have rancor updates |
| 22:23 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: go for it |
| 22:23 | rangi | thd: multiple sources including local covers, but with fallback |
| 22:23 | so you define the order, and it tries them until it gets one that has an image (or fails on all) | |
| 22:23 | pianohacker | Rancor has several bugfixes and a new metasearch backend that does not depend on pazpar2 |
| 22:23 | wizzyrea | oooo |
| 22:24 | cait | pianohacker: what are you using instead? |
| 22:24 | pianohacker | Needs to be refactored a bit, and the results have to be refetched for each page load, but it supports sorting and pagination |
| 22:24 | Also needs relevance ranking at some point | |
| 22:25 | cait: Just ZOOM, all of the record fetching and sorting is done in Koha now | |
| 22:25 | seems to be about the same speed as pazpar2, and works more consistently | |
| 22:25 | cait | is that an option for opac too? |
| 22:26 | pianohacker | cait: Possibly :) |
| 22:26 | guessing you're thinking for bug 10486? | |
| 22:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10486 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC |
| 22:26 | cait | of course :) |
| 22:27 | gmcharlt | #info prog/CCSR deprecation now the HTML5 guideline: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]precation_of_the_.27prog.27_and_.27CCSR.27_OPAC_themes |
| 22:27 | pianohacker | I'd definitely want some kind of results caching before I put it on an OPAC, and I'm not sure of the best way to do that |
| 22:27 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: time for you to investigate Koha::Cache |
| 22:28 | eythian | especially my new+improved version (I can't remember if it's in master yet or not) |
| 22:28 | pianohacker | gmcharlt: That was my thought, my major question was value size limits, though |
| 22:28 | eythian | oh, it's not it needs someone to poke bug 12041 |
| 22:28 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12041 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Passed QA , Improve Koha::Cache |
| 22:30 | pianohacker | If I do the straightforward thing and shove the entire result set in as a MARC blob, it comes out to roughly 250 KB for the 100-record fetch I'm currently doing. This only really works for Memcached, though, and if servers send back a ton of huge records my impression is that the key storage silently fails |
| 22:30 | Not a terrible thing but I was curious if there's a better way | |
| 22:31 | eythian | probablyu worth describing it in detail on a koha-devel post |
| 22:31 | get more eyes that way | |
| 22:31 | gmcharlt | yeah |
| 22:31 | pianohacker | Seems like a good idea |
| 22:31 | gmcharlt | any other topics? |
| 22:32 | eythian | yeah |
| 22:32 | rangi | i have a couple that id like to run past people, not strictly dev, but related |
| 22:32 | first there is | |
| 22:32 | http://osswatch.jiscinvolve.or[…]-projects-wanted/ | |
| 22:32 | eythian | just a note that there's a series of plack patches around that people could look at if they want something to do. |
| 22:32 | For staff client plack support. | |
| 22:33 | thd | Can the result set records be quickly stored in some temporary database storage if the result set is unexpectedly large but not egregiously large. |
| 22:33 | cait | i think we have some areas were testing/qa gets into a bottleneck |
| 22:33 | eythian | Some are in master now, but there are some that aren't. |
| 22:33 | cait | sip, caching, ldap |
| 22:33 | thd | ? |
| 22:33 | cait | so if someone feels able to test in that areas, please go for it |
| 22:33 | pianohacker | thd: that's a possibility |
| 22:34 | eythian | cait: perhaps someone who knows them should write up testing guides on the wiki? |
| 22:34 | cait | well not me then... i have done a bit of sip, but no ldap and caching so far :( |
| 22:34 | i'd like to use one of those tesitng guides | |
| 22:35 | eythian | caching is actually pretty easy, ldap is less so. |
| 22:35 | cait | rangi: reading |
| 22:35 | gmcharlt | rangi: the VALS SoC looks interesting; my main comment is that if we want to do it, we should line up several commitments for mentors first |
| 22:35 | rangi | yep |
| 22:35 | cait | it sounds interesting |
| 22:37 | gmcharlt | rangi: and the other thing you wanted to bring up? |
| 22:37 | rangi | ah yep |
| 22:37 | http://paste.koha-community.org/40 | |
| 22:37 | really really rough draft | |
| 22:37 | for | |
| 22:38 | https://linux.conf.au/miniconf-cfp | |
| 22:38 | gmcharlt | #info rangi mentioned the VALS summer of code (http://osswatch.jiscinvolve.or[…]projects-wanted/) as a possible project for Koha to cnosider |
| 22:38 | rangi | but if it does get accepted i will be trying to get some people from koha to be speakers |
| 22:38 | as well as evergreen, islandora, et al | |
| 22:39 | cait | cool |
| 22:39 | eythian | so if anyone feels like a trip to wherever the next LCA is... :) |
| 22:39 | rangi | auckland nz |
| 22:39 | gmcharlt | #info rangi is proposing a cultural hertiage and FLOSS miniconference for the lca2015 in Auckland (https://linux.conf.au/) |
| 22:40 | cait | oooh... |
| 22:40 | eythian | oh, that's boring |
| 22:40 | wizzyrea | way not as cool as wellington. |
| 22:40 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 22:40 | wizzyrea | HAR |
| 22:40 | :) | |
| 22:40 | cait | true |
| 22:40 | pianohacker | eythian: couple small questions about the new Koha::Cache module after da meeting |
| 22:40 | eythian | sure |
| 22:41 | gmcharlt | thanks, rangi |
| 22:42 | rangi | thats all i have |
| 22:42 | gmcharlt | regarding setting a date for the next meeting, I suggest we wait for when tcohen is back home |
| 22:42 | rangi | sounds good |
| 22:43 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 22:43 | thanks everybody | |
| 22:43 | #endmeeting | |
| 22:43 | Topic for #koha is now Koha Dev Meeting - today - 11 June 2014, 15:00 and 22:00 UTC | |
| 22:43 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Jun 11 22:43:45 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 22:43 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-06-11-22.01.html | |
| 22:43 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]4-06-11-22.01.txt | |
| 22:43 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]11-22.01.log.html | |
| 22:44 | cait | gmcharlt++ |
| 22:44 | wizzyrea | thanks gmcharlt |
| 22:46 | pianohacker | eythian: my two questions were: a) if fastmmap isn't an option due to not supporting expiry, are we removing it permanently? and b) out of curiosity, why the switch to Cache::Memcached? |
| 22:47 | eythian | pianohacker: iirc, I removed it from the default options, but you can still request it yourself if you're OK with managing it. |
| 22:48 | b) I don't think there was a switch to Cache::Memcached | |
| 22:48 | make sure you're looking at the latest patches | |
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| 22:49 | eythian | I think I used it originally because it supported something I wanted to support, but turned out not to be UTF-8 clean. |
| 22:49 | so switched back and implemented the support for the other thing (default expiry, IIRC) myself. | |
| 22:51 | brb, getting breakfast | |
| 22:55 | b | |
| 23:02 | cait | quick brakfast - coffee? |
| 23:02 | good night all | |
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| 23:03 | pianohacker | eythian: ahh, missed that that was a regex. Makes sense :) |
| 23:09 | mtompset | Have a great day, #koha. |
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