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00:27 | mtompset | dcook, eythian: The remainder of the jokes went unmentioned. :P |
00:31 | @seen wizzyrea | |
00:31 | huginn | mtompset: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 2 hours and 12 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> and we'd all have a righteous chuckle. |
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01:33 | mtompset | @later tell wizzyrea What are we doing about bug 12031? |
01:33 | huginn | mtompset: The operation succeeded. |
01:50 | wizzyrea | I'm not sure you can leave it for now. |
01:52 | it's not going to be a rewrite of the scheduler, that I do know. | |
01:53 | mtompset | I don't expect it to be. :) |
01:53 | I just want something I can test without having to roll my own distribution. :) | |
01:54 | Sadly, the FindBin logic idea I had fails horribly, because the runreports.pl script isn't in tools. | |
01:54 | wizzyrea | yep. |
01:54 | and it shouldn't be | |
01:55 | mtompset | No, because it isn't suppose to be web accessible. |
01:55 | So you're right. | |
01:55 | Hmmm... | |
01:56 | wizzyrea | it's ok, I've got an idea on how to fix it |
01:56 | so don't worry about it for now. | |
01:56 | mtompset | SCRIPT_DIR! |
02:00 | eythian | if that's an environment variable, the answer is no. |
02:00 | mtompset | in the install log file. |
02:00 | is there a way to file the install log file? | |
02:01 | eythian | I'm not sure patching scripts from the installer is the ideal thing to do. |
02:01 | mtompset | probably not. |
02:04 | do we have a syspref that marks what type of install this is? | |
02:05 | eythian | nope |
02:05 | also, that's not appropriate for sysprefs because it's not a preference, it's a fact. | |
02:06 | mtompset | or configuration item in koha-conf.xml? |
02:06 | eythian | most likely that |
02:07 | mtompset | Ah there is a configuration item pointing to the install log. ;) |
02:07 | Ugly indirection, but it would work. | |
02:11 | wizzyrea | no, I don't like that and I won't do it that way. |
02:12 | dcook | mtompset: I think wizzyrea has it well in hand. Perhaps find another bug to test for now? |
02:12 | mtompset | Just like thinking about the problem. :) |
02:12 | eythian | really the only other way I'd probably handle it would be a package-specific patch, but we can't do that right now as Koha is build as debian native. |
02:13 | *built | |
02:13 | (though I'd be OK with changing that if needed.) | |
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04:32 | wajasu | Can one cosine a loan? |
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05:03 | wajasu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mip9MppUsQA run free today |
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06:09 | * magnuse | waves |
06:09 | alex_a | bonjour |
06:10 | kivilahtio | bonjour |
06:10 | wahanui | hola, kivilahtio |
06:10 | kivilahtio | hyvää huomenta wahanui |
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06:38 | * cait | waves |
06:38 | cait | bbiab |
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06:40 | reiveune | hello |
06:40 | wahanui | kai ora, reiveune |
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07:12 | nlegrand | Bonjour ! |
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07:14 | cait | good morning #koha |
07:22 | magnuse | hiya nlegrand and cait |
07:22 | @wunder boo | |
07:22 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on April 04, 2014). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
07:26 | nlegrand | magnuse, cait o/ |
07:26 | cait | hi nlegrand :) |
07:28 | nc-th | Hi everyone. Is it right that if I would like to display tag 245 subfield b in OPAC, the only way is to modify xslt files > MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl / MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl? |
07:28 | cait | hm $b should show |
07:28 | by default - what are you looking at? | |
07:28 | dcook | There is a mapping to make that work I believe.. |
07:29 | When not using XSLTs | |
07:29 | cait | dcook: i think it shows by default in xslt, not sure about normal |
07:29 | dcook | /cgi-bin/koha/admin/fieldmapping.pl |
07:30 | nc-th | in normal view, it doesn't show $b |
07:31 | cait | you can take a look at the keyword mappings under administration or switch to xslt |
07:35 | magnuse | looking at the xslt, it looks like $b should show as default |
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07:41 | gaetan_B | hello |
07:41 | wahanui | hola, gaetan_B |
07:46 | nc-th | in my set up, MARC / ISBD showing $b but not the normal view. Thank you for all suggestions. I am checking out keyword mappings. I am new to Koha, many things to learn. |
07:46 | cait | nc-th: i think it's a confusion of terminology |
07:46 | try activating the xslt views if they are not currently - search for system preferences with 'xslt' | |
07:50 | nc-th | after activating xslt to default, it displays now! but not in the order that I would like it to be.. so I have to modify the xslt files? |
07:54 | magnuse | nc-th: probably. which order would you prefer? |
07:54 | cait | yes,... then you'd have to modify, or add your own xslt |
07:55 | but the order is according to the marc standard | |
07:55 | magnuse | bug 11762 will affect the order of subfields from 245. it will be in 3.16 |
07:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11762 normal, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Pushed to Master , Sequence of MARC21 245 subfields different on XSLT result list and detail page |
08:06 | nc-th | What I like is a little bit different from the default one > Title - Remainder of the title - Publisher - Description - ISBN - Subjects - Year |
08:07 | cait | you'd have to do your own set of xslt files then |
08:07 | there is also a pref to link to your own file | |
08:08 | magnuse | yeah, don't just edit the standard xslt files, they will be overwritten when you upgrade :-) |
08:09 | nc-th | Ok! thanks a lot for your kind suggestions! I really appreciate your help. |
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09:12 | atheia | 'lo! |
09:14 | cait | hi atheia :) |
09:21 | magnuse | hiya atheia |
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11:29 | cait | atheia++ |
11:31 | kivilahtio | IS there any way to know when the Item has arrived to the library? |
11:31 | atheia | :-) thanks — 't was a bit of work. |
11:31 | Just hope the ++ sticks even after it's gone through qa ;-) | |
11:31 | kivilahtio | I am not talking about the acquisitions date but the date the acquisition has been received |
11:31 | cait | kivilahtio: dateaccessioned? or the return date? |
11:32 | creating items on order then? | |
11:32 | kivilahtio | I need to trigger a status on items which have been in our library for 3 months |
11:32 | which have been available for 3 months, not in 'in acquisitions'-state | |
11:32 | cait | hm there is a feature from Joubu about something liek that in the qa queue |
11:32 | i think | |
11:32 | you might want to take a look there | |
11:32 | kivilahtio | okey |
11:32 | I will | |
11:32 | cait | i think you could probably figure it out using a report |
11:33 | kivilahtio | hmm yeah |
11:33 | cait | looking for the received dates and finding the items they belong to |
11:33 | kivilahtio | the reports library |
11:33 | wahanui | the reports library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library |
11:33 | kivilahtio | good wahanui! |
11:33 | cait | i think some libraries update the dateaccessioned when receiving the item |
11:34 | kivilahtio | wow |
11:34 | I wonder what does dateaccessioned mean | |
11:34 | well I'll take a look | |
11:34 | thanks! | |
11:36 | hey that column is documented!! | |
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11:38 | cait | atheia: ah maybe one thing that might be useful for you - there is a syntax you can use for sponsored by information that will be picked up by the release notes script |
11:40 | atheia: seems we hid that well: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/SubmitingAPatch | |
11:40 | ah and here: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Commit_messages | |
11:45 | atheia | Ah, very useful, thanks cait. |
11:46 | Is it worth me fixing that now? My instinct would be to wait and see whether qa issues come up… | |
11:46 | cait | i think not super urgent |
11:47 | it's big, so might need a follow up and can fix then | |
11:47 | atheia | indeed. |
11:48 | magnuse | yeah atheia++ |
11:49 | atheia | *blush* |
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12:02 | sophie_m | kivilahtio: Bug 11023 |
12:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11023 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Toggle new status for items |
12:09 | kivilahtio | sophie_m: This looks quite good! |
12:10 | sophie_m | :-) |
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12:11 | kivilahtio | Joubu: If you are not enjoying your weekend by now, could you tell me why bug 11023 has a items.new column without an index? |
12:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11023 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Toggle new status for items |
12:12 | Joubu | kivilahtio: it could be a good idea to add an index |
12:12 | kivilahtio | Joubu: well if you paln to make searches based on it :) |
12:13 | Joubu: Do you store a timestamp there? or how do you define which item is newer than the other? | |
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12:14 | Joubu | kivilahtio: it is based on dateaccessioned I think |
12:15 | kivilahtio | Joubu: items.dateaccessioned is labeled as the "Date Acquired" in the staff client, but that column is used elsewhere as well. Not sure if that column value is persistent |
12:15 | it might be changed when external sources harvest our data? | |
12:15 | not sure, but it looks very fishy. | |
12:16 | Joubu | kivilahtio: did you read the commit msg ? :) |
12:16 | kivilahtio | wow |
12:16 | which one :) | |
12:16 | Joubu | kivilahtio: bug 11023 comment 1 |
12:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11023 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Toggle new status for items |
12:17 | kivilahtio | Some libraries would like to manage a "new" status for items. |
12:17 | Joubu | kivilahtio: a cronjob updates the items.new value |
12:17 | kivilahtio | This status should be removed depending on some conditions. |
12:17 | Joubu | kivilahtio: this is the Description, not the first comment :) |
12:17 | kivilahtio | so true |
12:18 | cait | kivilahtio: it's not changed |
12:18 | kivilahtio | cait: thanks for the confirmation |
12:18 | cait | kivilahtio: dateaccessioned in the database won't be changed by external, it's not a last changed date but something you add to the item in cataloguing |
12:18 | kivilahtio | ok |
12:18 | cait | the only quesiton is when you craete them on order, if you can not set a date then or update it on receive later to be more accurate |
12:19 | kivilahtio | yeah, we already talked about our policies and agreed that we can update the dateaccessioned/Date acquired when the item is barcoded |
12:19 | * cait | hopes to make some sense |
12:19 | cait | it's a werid friday |
12:19 | kivilahtio | cait: you are making perfect sensse |
12:20 | idneed | |
12:20 | what I need to do is limit the loan period of new items to 14 days | |
12:20 | and some of those items have a loan period of 7 days | |
12:21 | I am using ccode to dostinguis them and default to the itemtype | |
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12:45 | kivilahtio | Joubu: Should the new-column be visible in the additem.pl? |
12:47 | Joubu | kivilahtio: To display it, you must link the db field with a marc field in the ACQ framework |
12:49 | kivilahtio | Joubu: So should the new-status be automatically added when a item is added? |
12:50 | Joubu: Or does it work only via the acquisitions module? | |
12:50 | Joubu: I tested via additem.pl | |
12:53 | Joubu | kivilahtio: the dateaccessioned value is set on receiving. |
12:53 | kivilahtio | Joubu: the dateaccesioned value is set yes, but what is added in the new-column? I thought stuff is removed from there? |
12:53 | Joubu | and it was not "ACQ" framework |
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12:54 | kivilahtio | isn'tthe dateaccessioned value set by default? |
12:54 | regardless if you specify a date there | |
12:54 | Joubu | hum? |
12:55 | kivilahtio | your cronjob works |
12:55 | which is quite cool! | |
12:56 | Joubu | kivilahtio: looking at the code,dateaccessioned is only set in acqui/finishreceive.pl. So I suppose the date is set to NULL before receiving the item |
12:56 | cait | hm |
12:56 | Joubu | no? :) |
12:56 | cait | let me check something |
12:56 | it's been forever since i looked at that more closely | |
12:56 | kivilahtio | but what is added to the new-column? |
12:56 | documentation says cronjob only removes the NEW status | |
12:57 | but the cronjob does a lot of stuff | |
12:57 | ashimema | are many people using multi-tenancy with the packages? |
12:57 | kivilahtio | like a swiss army stuff |
12:57 | Joubu | kivilahtio: yes, you can do a lot of things with it |
12:57 | cait | i thought it was always set |
12:57 | because we don't set it for items we import i think, and i have never seen it empty | |
12:58 | ashimema: multi-tenancy? | |
12:58 | ashimema | i.e running multiple koha's on the one system. |
12:58 | cait | hm i thnk at least some do |
12:58 | ashimema | every time you run 'koha-create' you bringing up a new 'tenant' on the systm |
12:59 | I'm wondering how some of the finer details work.. | |
12:59 | cait | hm maybe talk to eythian? quite sure bywater does - and the free koha magnuse does i think |
12:59 | ashimema | like configuring multiple rDNS entries to enable sensible mail and stuff. |
12:59 | I don't believe bywater does.. not yet at least.. | |
12:59 | cait | yeah it hink you are right |
13:00 | ashimema | I'm sure catalyst does.. |
13:00 | cait | yeah quite sure there too |
13:00 | ashimema | ooh.. eythian appears to be online.. |
13:00 | bet he's not actually here though ;) | |
13:00 | cait | nz weekend already started |
13:00 | ashimema | well.. he'd be the right person to ask.. I just don't fancy my chances of catching him any time soon ;) |
13:00 | maybe I'll go bakc to email ;) | |
13:01 | cait | Joubu: it looks like there is also something about dateaccessioned in Items.pm |
13:02 | AddItem seems to set it when you enter nothing | |
13:02 | kivilahtio | Joubu: could you please write a short description to the bug about what the items.new-column does? I am confused, it is stated it is just a field, then it is a flag, but it is instantiated in CREATE TABLE as a VARCHAR(32)? |
13:03 | cait | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ff09ee5149c#l2093 |
13:03 | if i interpret it correctly | |
13:03 | kivilahtio | The cronjob empties the new-column |
13:04 | dateaccessioned, case closd :) | |
13:04 | Joubu | cait: yep indeed |
13:04 | kivilahtio: you can do what you want with this field | |
13:05 | you can use it as a boolean or a string if you want | |
13:05 | kivilahtio | Joubu: well I saw that coming :) Well should it be called a notes-column? |
13:05 | Joubu: or something dexcriptive. Also a comment about what the column is supposed to do would be appreciated, like -- You can put whatever free-text information regarding this item here | |
13:06 | or system_notes? | |
13:07 | Joubu | I added it to manage a "new" status, so "new" looks like a good name |
13:07 | kivilahtio | Joubu: but if nothing explicitly set any values there? |
13:08 | Joubu, maybe change the new-column from VARCHAR to BOOLEAN? | |
13:08 | then it would make sense to have it indicate a status | |
13:09 | Joubu | it is too restrictive |
13:09 | kivilahtio | Joubu: well what would you like to put there? |
13:09 | Joubu | if can use it as boolean if it is a varchar |
13:09 | we (at BibLibre) use it as a boolean :) | |
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13:10 | Joubu | but maybe someone else would like to use it as a multivalued field |
13:11 | kivilahtio | Joubu: I understand this, but the name, new... |
13:11 | * wajasu | i'm adding newer-column for something else :| |
13:12 | or newest later. | |
13:13 | kivilahtio | Joubu: `system_note` VARCHAR(32) DEFAULT NULL, -- You can put whatever free-text information regarding this item here |
13:14 | Joubu: `system_note` VARCHAR(32) DEFAULT NULL, -- You can put whatever free-text information regarding this item here. This field is meant for local modifications only and should not be used in features intended for master | |
13:17 | Joubu: `system_note` VARCHAR(32) DEFAULT NULL, -- You can put whatever free-text information regarding this item here. This field is meant for local modifications only and should not be used in features intended for master | |
13:17 | This would make me happy :) | |
13:18 | wajasu | i think kivilahtio wants to be specific as to the function of the field, so that it doesn't get overloaded/multipurposed later. or else we end up with encoded schemas in a field. hard to write code to query against. |
13:18 | system_note seems to be such a local multipurpose field. | |
13:18 | kivilahtio | But I can see the whole BibLibre codebase hanging on the new-column :) |
13:18 | wajasu: ++ | |
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13:20 | cait | not sure what this is about, but i think system-note could be confusing |
13:20 | too general | |
13:20 | kivilahtio | cait: well the field is general |
13:20 | * cait | goes back to reading marc documentation |
13:21 | kivilahtio | cait: it could be a boolean or a flag or a hash |
13:21 | cait | but it looks like it has a proposed use? |
13:21 | but i should realyl read the bug description first | |
13:21 | kivilahtio | well the field value should be set to 1 eg (items.new == 1) |
13:22 | well anyway | |
13:22 | I'll write my test review | |
13:22 | thanks folk! | |
13:24 | wajasu | do we have dateaccessioned as field somewhere? can new status me a derived field, where new is defined as greater than a date syspref, or is it a status that must be flipped on/off manually. |
13:24 | kivilahtio | new can be whatever you want :) |
13:25 | new is not instantiated anywhere in bug 11023 | |
13:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11023 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Toggle new status for items |
13:25 | cait | wajasu: it's in items |
13:26 | kivilahtio | wajasu: dateaccessioned is "Date acquired" in additem.pl |
13:26 | wajasu | my librarian wants the home page to show results from a configurable report. they want "new" items. thats why i was interested. |
13:27 | kivilahtio | wajasu: There is a ready script for that in Koha |
13:27 | there are some scripts intended to display new items | |
13:27 | wajasu | i knew someone would know that. thanks. |
13:27 | kivilahtio | don't know where |
13:27 | * wajasu | goes back to coding zebra facets. |
13:27 | kivilahtio | I might be worng but I feel strongly that I saw it somewhere |
13:32 | cait | kivilahtio: there are a few documented things out there, nothing inside koha |
13:32 | most use one of the opac html prefs | |
13:32 | you coudl use a JSON report... and then show that i think | |
13:33 | wajasu | that helps. |
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13:56 | talljoy | good morning |
14:06 | atheia | Good morning to you too - though it's late afternoon here… |
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14:33 | phasefx | what function should I use to encrypt a password directly on the borrowers table? |
14:34 | for 3.14 | |
14:49 | rhcl | @wunder 64507 |
14:49 | huginn | rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 3.4°C (9:49 AM CDT on April 04, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Rising). |
14:53 | phasefx | alright, looks like base64 MD5 re: password |
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15:06 | reiveune | bye |
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15:12 | phasefx | jfyi, I tried using the result from perl -MDigest::MD5 -e 'use Digest::MD5 qw(md5_base64); print md5_base64("password here") . "\n";' based on what I saw in opac-passwd.pl, but I seem to be fumble fingering it or doing something else wrong :) |
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15:35 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12034: standardize alerts referring to lists and list items <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c981bf3065670ba1a> |
15:42 | talljoy | @seen jcamins |
15:42 | huginn | talljoy: jcamins was last seen in #koha 1 day, 18 hours, 43 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <jcamins> @later tell ashimena QueryParser uses the QueryParser configuration file. It is orthogonal to Zebra. |
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15:48 | dbs | phasefx: Koha/AuthUtils.pm says use Crypt::Eksblowfish::Bcrypt qw(bcrypt en_base64) |
15:49 | phasefx | dbs++ |
15:55 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10818: improve display and translatability of sysprefs OAI-PMH:ConfFile's description <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c9ddfd02d524c84ad> |
16:00 | phasefx | for reference: perl -e 'use lib "/usr/share/koha/lib/"; use Koha::AuthUtils; print Koha::AuthUtils::hash_password("password here") . "\n";' |
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16:10 | magnuse | the password algorithm was changed not too long ago |
16:13 | * magnuse | goes back to making pizza |
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16:21 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
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16:32 | cait | bye all :) |
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16:53 | gaetan_B | bye! |
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17:19 | drojf | hi #koha |
17:42 | druthb | drojf! |
17:42 | * druthb | waves. |
17:42 | drojf | druthb! |
17:42 | :) | |
17:45 | cait | drojf, druthb |
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18:01 | druthb | cait! |
18:01 | cait | :) |
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18:12 | mtompset | Question... let's say I have a line of code that I want to see the history for, how would I do that? |
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18:33 | cait | git blame -L line, line is normally what i do |
18:41 | mtompset: i think i don't agree with the username change | |
18:41 | the field takes cardnumber or username | |
18:41 | login seems better to me | |
18:42 | mtompset | Valid point. |
18:42 | Though, I'm frequently confused by log in interfaces where I don't know what it is expecting for input. | |
18:42 | Perhaps 'Username / Cardnumber'? | |
18:43 | Or a tool tip on the text box? | |
18:43 | cait | not sure it might differe from library to library |
18:43 | i thought login was neutral | |
18:43 | mtompset | It is neutral. Neutral to the point of not knowing. |
18:44 | some sites expect an email address. | |
18:44 | some sites expect me to remember a number. | |
18:44 | cait | but youget told by your library |
18:44 | and with the new text... libraries could put a note there | |
18:44 | but still not change the label in a translatable way | |
18:44 | mtompset | So, you think the Staff client should be changed to match then? |
18:44 | cait | not sure |
18:44 | ah meh | |
18:44 | mtompset | Because it says 'Username'. |
18:44 | cait | maybe we should discuss that with another native speaker |
18:45 | no idea | |
18:45 | i might be just too tired to think :) | |
18:45 | mtompset | Yes, but to still do an amazing job of thinking half-awake and tired. :) |
18:45 | ^but you^ | |
18:46 | Silly typos. | |
18:46 | cait | tired too? :) |
18:46 | mtompset | I have a serious head cold. |
18:46 | My sinuses are clogged. | |
18:47 | cait | ew |
18:47 | stay away from me | |
18:47 | i am off work for 2 weeks now | |
18:47 | i don't want to get that | |
18:47 | mtompset | Thankfully, we haven't mastered transporter technology. |
18:47 | There's no way for you to catch it here. :) | |
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18:48 | mtompset | Greetings, rhcl. |
18:48 | rhcl | hi mtompset |
18:49 | mtompset | git blame -L # {file} only tells me the last change. I want a history of changes of that line. |
18:49 | I did find a --since parameter which kind of helped me walk back. | |
18:51 | cait | yeah there are ways |
18:55 | mtompset | Oh, I was pleased to be talking with my Filipino librarian colleague yesterday/today, and he was telling me that he was teaching his library interns how to set up Koha. :) |
18:57 | cait | :) |
18:58 | mtompset | YAY! Results of me training him are paying off. :) |
19:11 | rhcl | I played this video for my class last night... |
19:11 | http://youtu.be/mSb5Dxi5jSA | |
19:13 | Karam++ | |
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