IRC log for #koha, 2014-02-27

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00:29 bag cait
00:30 @marc 856
00:30 huginn` bag: The information needed to locate and access an electronic resource. The field may be used in a bibliographic record for a resource when that resource or a subset of it is available electronically. In addition, it may be used to locate and access an electronic version of a non-electronic resource described in the bibliographic record or a related electronic resource. (Repeatable) (1 more message)
00:30 bag @more
00:30 huginn` bag: [a,b,c,d,f,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,​q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,z,2,3,6,8]
00:31 bag @marc 856 u
00:31 huginn` bag: Uniform Resource Identifier The URI, which provides standard syntax for locating an object using existing Internet protocols. Field 856 is structured to allow for the creation of a URL from the concatenation of other separate 856 subfields. Subfield $u may be used instead of those separate subfields or in addition to them.Subfield $u may be repeated only if both a URN or a URL or more than one URN are (1 more message)
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00:31 @more
00:31 huginn` bag: recorded. (Repeatable)
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01:12 mtompset 856$u rocks. :)
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02:28 mtompset Okay. Here is the other half.
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03:03 eythian 3.14.04 packages uploading
03:03 wizzyrea wahootie!
03:04 jcamins Wow. That was incredible.
03:05 wizzyrea: this actually works: http://justcookit.blogspot.com[…]olate-mousse.html
03:05 Even if you replace the water with a blender'd young coconut.
03:06 eythian oh, and I thought jcamins was talking about my mastery of the rsync command.
03:08 jcamins eythian: well done, but no.
03:08 * jcamins suddenly understands the appeal of modernist cooking.
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03:14 Dat Hello can someone help me with an EDIFACT question?
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03:21 mtompset 3.14.04?!
03:23 Oh... 04.
03:23 Right.
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03:48 Oak kia ora #koha
03:49 mtompset Greetings, Oak.
03:49 Oak hello mtompset :)
04:04 mtompset is it safe to just delete records from the suggestions table?
04:04 How do you delete suggestions that don't display?
04:04 eythian you've got to screw around with the filters in the staff client to make them show up.
04:04 It's quite dumb
04:05 or delete them from the db
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04:52 Dat Nice I figured it out on my own
04:52 sweet@
04:54 eythian good, I know nothing about EDIFACT :)
04:57 Dat me either
04:57 However I've just learned how to create a D93A transaction
04:58 this will be helpful when testing since it seems like the europe guys dont know standard EDI 997's :(
05:00 * eythian just read the wikipedia page on edifact, and is now has gone into negative amounts of knowledge.
05:01 eythian also negative grammar, it turns out.
05:06 Dat lol
05:06 yeah fun stuff
05:07 i've just put in a few hours of research
05:07 was going to ask a question here but then my test worked with a successful MDN so im golden now
05:16 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
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05:45 saa i imported data from 3.2 to 3.14 by regular upgrade from 3.2-3.6-3.8-3.10-3.12-3.14
05:45 when i search for records i can search books but it shows no copies available
05:45 can someone tell me how to get status of exact copy against each title
05:47 eythian saa: how have you installed 3.14?
05:47 saa yep
05:47 i nstalled 3.14 and created webnstall
05:47 eythian saa: no, how? like, packages or tarball or...?
05:47 saa from packages
05:47 after installation and webinstall
05:48 i ran mysql -u root -p koha_library < koha-backup.sql
05:48 and then reindexed data
05:48 i can search records but it shows no copies available
05:48 eythian OK cool, then you need to run "sudo koha-upgrade-to-3.4 koha_library"
05:48 saa i tried editing individual record but no success
05:49 eythian the way items are stored changed in 3.4
05:49 bag cait:
05:49 hey you are here
05:49 eythian after that, do a reindex or you'll end up with duplicates.
05:49 saa do i have to run above command in terminal
05:49 eythian yeah
05:49 saa i should run this command as root or library-koha
05:49 eythian neither
05:49 just run it as a user with sudo permissions, it'll sort it out for you
05:50 saa the above command should be 3.14 right or 3.4
05:50 eythian 3.4
05:50 because it's fixing something that changed from 3.2 to 3.4
05:50 saa what is 3.4
05:50 wahanui 3.4 is Koha 3.4.0 was released 22 April 2011
05:51 saa but i imported data from 3.2
05:51 rather upgraded
05:51 eythian yep, and you need to run that script to account for the change from 3.2 to 3.4, it's the sort of thing the regular web installer process can't do.
05:52 saa so no need for 3.2 i can just use 3.4
05:52 eythian you're on 3.14 now, but this script will fix your items.
05:52 saa ok tx one sec
05:53 eythian (at least, assuming this is your issue, and it probably is.)
05:53 saa sudo: unknown user: koha_library-koha sudo: unable to initialize policy plugin Rebuilding zebra for koha_library... Unknown instance koha_library.
05:53 * cait waves
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05:53 saa it threw abv error
05:54 i have a user library-koha and databasse koha_library
05:54 eythian oh
05:54 my bad
05:54 run: sudo koha-upgrade-to-3.4 library
05:54 (i.e. without the koha_ part on the name)
05:55 your instance name is "library"
05:55 saa running now
05:55 it is asking me to take a coffee i will do it
05:55 eythian if you have a lot of records, it can take a while
05:55 saa only 4000
05:55 eythian do a full reindex after: sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full -v -a -b library
05:56 saa oh yes
05:56 i will let u knw immediately
05:56 eythian I probably won't be here, I have to go in 5 mintues.
05:56 but, good luck!
05:56 saa ok tx
05:56 it was really very helpful
05:57 i was unnecessarily struggling
05:57 hope it works
05:57 eythian I'm a little afraid that you'll have issues from loading the data as root rather than as the database user, but we'll see.
06:07 saa it is running reindexing zebra
06:07 hence is it necessary to rebuild-sebra again
06:08 eythian probably not then, I forgot it did that.
06:09 saa no luck
06:09 same thing
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06:11 eythian hmm, then I'm out of ideas, but Europe should be waking up now, they might have some.
06:12 saa i spent last 24 hours on this work
06:12 the data was in 3.2 then i upgraded to 3.4 then to 3.6
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06:13 saa then changed operating system and changed to 3.8 then to 3.10 then to 3.12
06:13 and then to 3.14
06:14 eythian oh, I didn't realise you came from 3.12
06:14 still, not sure what it could be.
06:14 and have to go now.
06:14 saa ok
06:14 thx
06:20 dpk anyone here familiar with vendors in acquisitions?
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06:26 saa i have a 3.2 sql backup can some one tell me hw easily and safely i can get it in 3.14
06:37 wajasu pwd
06:37 ls
06:37 you are on the right track
06:38 you might scour the release notes or wiki to see how things progressed across versions.
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07:06 mtj saa, create a test 3.14 koha - then load your 3.2 db into it
07:07 saa will it directly take
07:07 mtj hit the admin url, and it will prompt you for 3.2 -> 3.14 upgrade
07:07 yes
07:07 saa oh let me try immediately
07:08 i spent unnecessarily time on going from 3.2 to 3.4, 3.6 etc.
07:08 mtj every time koha generates a page it checks the db version number...
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07:08 mtj …if the version number is old, koha redirects to the upgrade page
07:09 yep, a biggg waste of time  ^^ :)
07:10 you can upgrade a koha 3.0 db to latest koha, all in one go  :)
07:10 saa oh tx for this
07:10 mtj no probs… :)
07:10 saa i can install 3.14 and i dont need to run webinstall right
07:11 i can just run mysql -uroot -p koha_library < koha3.2backup.sql
07:11 mtj you do need to run web-install
07:13 and then the 'sudo koha-upgrade-to-3.4 your_koha'  script, too
07:13 $ sudo koha-upgrade-to-3.4 your_koha
07:14 $ sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v  your_koha
07:14 .
07:14 …run those 2 commands after web-install, all done :)
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07:40 huginn` GERMS!!!!
07:40 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
07:40 cait good morning #koha
07:40 ho narro!
07:41 (something that is said today in Konstanz by crazily costumed people)
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07:48 reiveune hello
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07:59 Joubu o/
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08:06 gaetan_B hello
08:10 cait hi Joubu and gaetan_B
08:10 oh and hi reiveune :)
08:10 paxed <xsl:for-each select="marc:datafield[(@tag=100 or @tag=700) and @ind1!='z']">
08:10 cait khall: isn't it really late or realyl early for you?
08:10 paxed ind1!=z????
08:10 reiveune salut cait
08:11 paxed there is no ind1=z in the marc21 format
08:11 cait paxed: yes, that is used I think when you index headings
08:11 paxed: correct, that's why z is used
08:11 paxed index headings?
08:11 matts hi !
08:11 cait sec
08:12 finding the pref
08:12 IncludeSeeFromInSearches
08:12 wahanui IncludeSeeFromInSearches is something else entirely, but DidYouMeanFromAuthorities shouldn't be there anymore.
08:12 cait when using authorities you can make the search also index the see also forms
08:12 so zebra gets them with the record for indexing
08:15 and they will use the z indicator (to my knowledge)
08:17 paxed ok, just an undocumented(?) Magic Value
08:17 cait you can always do a git blame
08:17 and find the patch that added it, if you are lookng at the code :)
08:17 paxed if i'm looking at the xslt and it handles marc, i first look at the marc specs.
08:18 cait yeah but it can help when you stumble on something you don't find there
08:18 which xslt are you looking at?
08:18 paxed MARC21slim2intranetResults.xsl
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08:18 * magnuse waves
08:18 cait bug 7417
08:18 wahanui bug 7417 is a good one too
08:18 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches
08:19 magnuse @wunder marseille
08:19 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 5.4°C (9:18 AM CET on February 27, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
08:19 magnuse @wunder oslo, norway
08:19 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Kikut, Oslo, Norway is 1.9°C (9:05 AM CET on February 27, 2014). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
08:19 cait good morning magnuse
08:19 magnuse kia ora cait
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08:25 saa i tried importing koha 3.2 to 3.14 first blank installation of 3.14 with web install run
08:25 then copied 3.2 sql file through terminal
08:26 but when i opened webpage it did nt ask for any upgrade page
08:26 cait did your sql file copy correctly?
08:26 check the version it shows in the systempreferences
08:26 saa ERROR 1005 (HY000) at line 2586: Can't create table 'koha_library.letter' (errno: 150)
08:26 it threw above error
08:26 cait yeah
08:26 saa but came out
08:26 cait try emptying out the database
08:27 before you import yours
08:27 not run the web installer
08:27 saa can u tell me command to empty database
08:28 cait you log into mysql for that
08:28 saa already logged in
08:28 cait make sure you drop the right database! drop database xxxx; create database xxxx;
08:28 then reload your dump
08:28 saa my old dump has database name koha and passwd library
08:28 new database will be koha_library
08:29 is that ok
08:29 cait check the sql file you loaded - sometimes the database name is in the dump
08:29 and then bad things can happen
08:29 if it's in the sql file (somewhere at the beginning) change it to your new database name
08:30 should be use database;
08:30 saa sorry
08:30 can u tell me hw i can change that in sql file of old dump
08:31 cait open it in an editor or use vi
08:31 saa i opened
08:31 cait it's not different to a text filer really
08:31 look for a line starting with use
08:32 if there is use koha; you want to change it to use koha_library - but it might not be necessary
08:32 doing the drop and create and then reloading might just wor without any additional changes
08:32 saa it is not there use koha
08:32 cait good :)
08:33 did you do the drop and create commands?
08:33 saa ok let me try
08:34 i ran mysql -uroot -p koha_library < koha-dapoli-3.2-backup.sql this command and it did nt throw any error
08:35 shall i now just run webinstall
08:35 or index first
08:35 cait i'd runt he web installer first
08:35 it should update now your database, instead of offering sample files etc.
08:36 saa right it says updating from 3.01 to 3.14.04
08:37 cait not bad so far then :)
08:38 magnuse paul_p: could/shuld bug 5439 just be closed?
08:38 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5439 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , 3M RFID sensitization
08:38 saa [Thu Feb 27 14:06:07 2014] updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate column name 'privacy' at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/ins​taller/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 4003.     [Thu Feb 27 14:06:07 2014] updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate column name 'privacy' at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/ins​taller/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 4004.
08:38 only threw abv two errors
08:39 shall i rebuild zebra manually
08:39 and then check
08:43 cait the errors should be ok
08:43 paul_p magnuse done, bug 5439 closed. I think there's another bug for this
08:43 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5439 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED INVALID, 3M RFID sensitization
08:44 magnuse there is bug 2244
08:44 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2244 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , RFID Cataloguing and Circulation
08:44 magnuse which has some ~5 years old code from slef
08:45 cait paul_p: not sure 3M was submitted somewhere - I remember talking to hdl about it ages ago
08:45 paul_p: I think he pointed me to your repository back then
08:46 saa yes worked fine
08:46 only thing koha opac page shows old UI
08:46 cait paul_p: which remembers me - do uyou have libraries using mifare cards?
08:46 saa why it could be
08:46 paul_p cait = I don't think so. AixMarseille university uses contact-less cards, dunno if it's mifare.
08:46 cait saa: if you use trnaslations, you need to recreate the templates
08:46 paul_p cait = we made a specific branch for them.
08:47 cait saa: also coming from an old version you need to run an additional script
08:47 * paul_p dig git
08:47 cait paul_p: maybe it's similar to what we have here - maybe ask you again in marseille ;)
08:47 saa if u tell me those
08:47 cait magnuse: can you help me out with the remove... script saa needs to run?
08:47 saa my job is over
08:48 thx cait for all help
08:48 cait saa: the way items are stored changed between 3.2 and 3.12 - lots of things changed :)
08:49 saa: how did oyu install koha?
08:49 saa i installed 3.14 through packages
08:49 cait if you are using packages there shoudl be a koha-translate command for updating the templates
08:49 saa and dumped 3.2 database
08:49 paul_p cait = can't find what I was looking for (and must leave for a meeting. don't hesitate to ask alex during the hackfest. We made a branch just for aix-marseille, that we maintain
08:49 cait paul_p: i will make a note :) already have quite a list!
08:50 paul_p cait do you want me to ask our govt to declare that, from 10th to 14th, days will last 48 hours ?
08:50 :D
08:50 saa what should i use just koha_translate
08:50 magnuse paul_p: excellent idea!
08:50 saa install or update
08:50 cait look at the help for the script
08:50 paul_p: it would help yes :)
08:51 magnuse saa: there is a script you need to run
08:51 paul_p OK, will try. You should ask angela for the same. Maybe EU will accept !
08:51 :D :D
08:51 saa can u pl  tell me what i need to run
08:51 cait heh
08:52 saa: have to leave for a bit, maybe someone else can help you with updating translations and correcting item data - i think that's the steps you need to do now
08:52 magnuse saa: "sudo koha-upgrade-to-3.4 <instancename>" - but i have never run it after such a "long" upgrade...
08:53 also for the translations: "sudo koha-translate -u <yourlanguagecode>"
08:54 saa koha-translate -u en
08:54 Error: the default language (en) cannot be updated.
08:55 magnuse yeah, no use updating en, tht's the default
08:55 you have no other languages installed?
08:55 saa no
08:56 magnuse ok
08:56 forget about koha-translate, then ;-)
08:56 dud you run koha-upgrade-to-3.4
08:56 ?
08:56 saa ok that means i can only see old koha opac internace
08:56 i am running
08:56 magnuse you have to change the syspref
08:57 saa will that help
08:57 what in syspref
08:57 magnuse the syspref is called " opacthemes "
08:57 cait some french around? :)
08:57 magnuse set that to bootstrap
08:57 cait i need the french term for account number in the vendor :)
08:58 ah never mind
08:58 Joubu cait: numéro de compte ?
08:58 cait Joubu: i am working on some enh for the layout2pages
08:58 magnuse le numeriqe accountique de la vendorique
08:58 cait but the french one is layout3pages
08:58 magnuse: you invented that
08:59 magnuse naaaah...
08:59 Joubu magnuse: :)
08:59 cait Joubu: bug 7267
08:59 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7267 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Display accountnumber in PDF
08:59 cait woudl you be interested in showing the accountnumber on the french template?
08:59 Joubu cait: yes, certainly
09:00 cait I will just add in a separate patch and you can take a look
09:01 Joubu cait: yep
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09:11 marcelr hi #koha
09:11 cait hi marcel
09:11 marcelr :)
09:12 cait :)
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09:21 magnuse adding a new feature that should be off by default and needs one setting (a url for a service). which is best: to have a dedicated syspref to turn the feature on and off + one syspref for te setting OR to have empty setting = feature off, non-empty setting = feature on?
09:21 cait what kind of feature?
09:21 magnuse rfid :-)
09:21 cait hm
09:21 magnuse there might be more settings needed later
09:21 cait i think smsdriver only has the url to activate
09:22 leave empty otherwise
09:22 i think if more setting, a central switch is good
09:22 magnuse i favour the two syspref version
09:22 cait if only one setting, one pref shoudl work
09:22 magnuse then you can turn it off and on without needing to re-enter the setting to turn it on
09:22 cait :)
09:23 Joubu magnuse: are you a syspref addict? :)
09:33 cait patches attached
09:33 hope i didn't mess up :)
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09:53 cait hi petter
09:53 petter hi cait!
09:57 cait :)
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10:05 cait Joubu: do you knwo in which field the edition is stored for UNIMARC?
10:07 field = biblio or biblioitems field
10:07 column
10:14 Joubu cait: no, gaetan_B maybe?
10:15 gaetan_B cait: the edition as in "énd editioné ?
10:15 err
10:15 "2nd edition"
10:15 cait i think i found it
10:15 205 $a
10:15 and it's not mapped
10:15 but we have biblioitems.editionstatement - i think it could go there for marc21 and unimarc ?
10:16 gaetan_B indeed
10:22 marcelr Joubu: what did you mean with [The transaction does not work, we use 2 handlers on the same DB] in connection with bug 8007 ?
10:23 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8007 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Discharge management
10:31 Joubu marcelr: there are 2 handlers on the same DB: 1 handler created in C4::Context and 1 in Koha::Database
10:31 marcelr yes, and what was the exact problem
10:32 Joubu using a transaction, the 2nd handler is waiting the connexion and don't manage to execute the query
10:32 marcelr ok isee thanks
10:32 Joubu marcelr: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ment.cgi?id=24025
10:32 there is a FIXME and the end
10:33 marcelr this needs some general attention
10:33 soon
10:33 Joubu s/and/at
10:33 marcelr: yes, it is quite important.
10:37 cait gaetan_B: 205$a was right?
10:37 kivilahtio_ Could anyone help me with linux routing tables?
10:37 gaetan_B cait: yes ! absolutely !
10:37 cait thx :)
10:38 now what do you think about bug 11859?
10:38 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11859 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Add edition and publication year to PDF templates in acquisitions
10:38 cait gaetan_B: should i add it to the French PDF template as well?
10:38 i was not sure why it as left out in the first place
10:38 gaetan_B it sounds like a very good idea yes
10:39 kivilahtio_ I need to send packets from a virtual container via a specific eth4 (not the default gateway). Containers are connected by a bridge and their outbound packets are routed via an extra routing table specifying the eth4 as a default gateway, then they are NATed. I get packets out via the correct path but not the replies :(
10:39 cait gaetan_B: ok :)
10:39 kivilahtio_: no idea - sorry
10:39 kivilahtio_ jcamins had an idea
10:39 I hope he will be around today :)
10:41 magnuse cait: text strings in .js files are not translated?
10:41 they have to be in separate .inc/.tt files to be translated?
10:42 cait magnuse: correct
10:42 magnuse cait: ok, thanks
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11:48 drojf hi #koha
11:49 cait hi drojf
11:49 drojf hi cait :)
11:56 is there a roadmap for 3.16 somewhere? i can't find it on the wiki
11:59 nlegrand hey #koha!
12:08 naive question: I just made some profiling with http://search.cpan.org/~timb/Devel-NYTProf/ with Bulac Koha, it's rather usefull to see what is taking time. I'm about to document it inside Bulac documentation site, but maybe it's worth an entry in the Koha Wiki?
12:12 petter nlegrand: I've also been profiling with NYTprof lately (fantastic tool btw!)
12:12 I'd love to see more activity on this
12:12 It's very interesting to see where most time is spent
12:13 For example, I thought database-calls where the most expensive, but it turns out in usually takes more time to parse XML and generate marc objects
12:13 So, please share your finds!
12:16 nlegrand ok !
12:20 jcamins kivilahtio_: I don't have any idea how to fix your problem, sorry. I was just telling you that I have a multi-homed server.
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12:30 ashimema deffo share your finds nlegrand.. profiling is really suefull to us all
12:32 kivilahtio_ jcamins: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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12:35 cait French speaker around? gaetan_B?
12:36 tcohen morning #koha
12:37 cait Joubu: ? :)
12:37 matts:  :)
12:37 do you have a second?
12:38 http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ment.cgi?id=20432 < if you look for 'published by' you see it has not been translated
12:38 i could add the translation , but not sure what it shoudl be
12:39 same for the Page 1/1, Page 1/2 it prints
12:40 matts hey cait, no problem
12:41 published by => publié par
12:41 cait cool
12:41 and Page?
12:41 wahanui Page is too big?
12:42 matts Page is page :)
12:43 cait oh!
12:43 ok :)
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13:17 oleonard Hi #koha
13:18 francharb Hi #koha oleonard
13:30 cait thx matts :) matts++
13:30 matts thx cait for pointing that out and fixing it :)
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13:37 oleonard khall around?
13:37 khall yo
13:38 oleonard I think the permissions for course reserves are a little wonky and I wanted to run it by you
13:38 I think it should be possible for a staff member to view course reserves in the staff client even if they don't have edit/delete/manage permissions
13:38 Does that sound right?
13:39 khall hmm, let me take a look
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13:44 khall oleonard: I cannot view course reserves if I have no permissions. Do you think librarians should be able to view courses even if they modify them?
13:45 oleonard Patrons can view course reserves in the OPAC. Why shouldn't librarians be able to view them in the staff client?
13:45 khall oleonard: that was my thought exactly
13:46 is there a bug filed for this already?
13:46 oleonard No
13:50 khall oleonard: I'm working on a patch right now
13:50 oleonard Great, thanks!
13:50 khall np!
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13:57 khall oleonard: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11866
13:57 huginn` 04Bug 11866: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Staff side course reserves too restrictive
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14:20 oleonard khall++
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14:23 magnuse hm, trying to figure out what happens when i click on the tabs below the checkin/checkout/patronsearch etc box
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14:24 magnuse i thught it was jquery onclick, but it doesn't seem to be
14:24 anyone got a clue? oleonard?
14:24 oleonard What do you mean magnuse? What are you trying to do?
14:24 magnuse not sure my phrasing of the question is good...
14:25 when i click on the "check in" tab, i want to be taken to the check in page
14:25 not give focus to the check in field
14:25 khall I believe it uses jquery ui tabs, right?
14:25 oleonard That's right khall
14:26 magnuse how is my clicking on the "check in" tab bound to the "show the check in box" action?
14:26 oleonard Somewhere in the jQueryUI library JS
14:26 magnuse s/box/field/
14:27 but what triggers the binding?
14:28 ah
14:28 <a href="#checkin_search">Check in</a>
14:28 href="#checkin_search" is interpreted as "give focus to the "#checkin_search" div
14:29 i thnk i got it, thanks oleonard khall
14:29 khall np!
14:34 oleonard Wanting to charge your patrons for their own overdue notices is a great #123 example.
14:34 @quote get 123
14:34 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/
14:34 huginn` oleonard: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
14:39 magnuse hm, what's a good name for the things yu click on to show different tabs? are the things yu click on called tabs? or do they have a separate name?
14:40 oleonard I would call them tabs, although the ones for check out/check in are not styled like tabs in their off state.
14:40 magnuse ok
14:41 so if i were to give an id to the tab tht says "check in", "checkin_tab" would be a good candidate? or are there other suggestions?
14:41 oleonard That seems reasonable to me
14:41 magnuse cool
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15:27 talljoy y ears ack
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15:31 mveron Hi #koha
15:31 The community website seems to be down...
15:31 http://www.downforeveryoneorju[…]oha-community.org
15:33 cait hm seems to happen more often at this time of thed ay
15:33 is that possible?
15:33 but really early morning in nz?
15:34 mveron: could I interest you in testing a few patches? :)
15:34 mveron cait: Why not?   :-)
15:34 cait 11828
15:34 bug 11828
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15:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11828 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Add German PDF template for orders in acquisitions
15:35 cait once you have a few orders to work with it's quite fast to test
15:35 you can print the same pdf group all the time
15:35 mveron Ok, I'll have a look...
15:36 cait it's a dependency tree
15:36 but this is the one to start testing with :)
15:40 mveron: thx - no hurry
15:40 mveron: just not so many german testers availalbe :)
15:41 is it only me or does low bug numbers with patches make you extra happy? :)
15:41 oleonard: the z39.50 was oold :) bug 1047
15:41 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1047 normal, P2, ---, isaacbrodsky, Signed Off , Punctuation in site names breaks Edit/Delete z39.50 server administration
15:41 oleonard I know, and the fix was so simple
15:42 cait it's good it's gone, that's the most important
15:42 we should do some looking at old bugs sometime
15:42 maybe some more are easy now
15:42 TT made a lot of things easier
15:46 tcohen @later tell eythian I took 7234 after a discussion about that in the koha-es list, using debconf dialogs might belong to a new bug i guess
15:46 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded.
15:49 oleonard Oldest open bug: Bug 444
15:49 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=444 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, REOPENED , Manual Credits does not support authorised values (Manual invoices do)
15:49 oleonard Oldest open non-enhancement: Bug 766
15:49 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=766 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Use of CGI::scrolling_list prevents customization in template
15:51 cait hm 766 could fall that TT category
15:51 i had take a quick look, but was not sure how to start a while ago
15:53 oleonard When I saw the patch for Bug 1047 I thought 1047 was a typo the number was so small
15:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1047 normal, P2, ---, isaacbrodsky, Signed Off , Punctuation in site names breaks Edit/Delete z39.50 server administration
15:56 cait :)
15:57 mveron cait: 11828 looks fine, will sign it off later in the evening
15:57 tcohen jcamins: would you agree on the defaults for bug 7234?
15:57 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7234 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , koha-common Debian package should include koha-sites.conf
15:58 drojf is there a reason why the koha-remove command doesn't delete the zebra register files?
16:00 oh there is a bug for it ^^
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16:09 cait mveron: thx!
16:09 mveron: i have more ideas for improvement, but trying a step by step approach
16:10 mveron: there are also bugs linked adding the account number/Kundennummer and edition and publication year
16:10 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11829: fix JavaScript error on staff client biblio details pages if template... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]eb12d75c6893ca0bd> / Bug 11805 - Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]41ce79bb37873662d> / Bug 11736 - Use new DataTables include in Koha ne
16:20 oleonard Having trouble with git fetch again. "read error: Invalid argument"
16:20 gmcharlt: Do you know what that means?
16:21 gmcharlt hmm - paste your .git/confg, please?
16:24 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "git config (minus other remotes, branches, etc)" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/144
16:32 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11798: fix problems with column sorting and row visibility in invoices table <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d59b3c04f061a858b>
16:37 gmcharlt oleonard: to rule out the possiblity that you were colliding with me pushing to master, could yuo try a fetch now?
16:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #366 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:39 oleonard It's working now, thanks
16:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #1647 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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17:03 * cait cheers gmcharlt on :)
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17:09 mtompset Greetings, #koha
17:10 tcohen hi mtompset
17:10 mtompset Greetings, tcohen!
17:10 tcohen i've just updated the ubuntu packages wiki
17:11 mtompset oh? how so?
17:11 tcohen would u take a look at the "initial configuration" section?
17:12 there where some variables missing
17:12 and I also put an real life example
17:12 so people knows what are those variables for
17:12 mtompset I don't like putting in a real life example, because people will try to use it to get Koha running.
17:12 I do like the extra text you added.
17:13 tcohen well, myDNS.com was an unexplained real-life example too :-P
17:14 mtompset I would leave the blue boxes with "bad" examples that generate a working example if they don't think.
17:14 But add further explanation around it for those who actually read.
17:14 (which we know people don't do)
17:15 Not to mention the comment does say "# Change this to be your domain." ;)
17:15 tcohen we need to explain how the URL is built (hence the example desired configuration)
17:16 OTH I don't care which the example is
17:17 mtompset Okay, I agree with that. But we shouldn't break the "just cut and paste the blue boxes to get something working" philosophy. ;)
17:17 tcohen i've just attached a patch for 7234, so they'd find a file with different sample configuration
17:18 and notice they need to read :-P
17:19 mtompset: just made it more generic
17:22 mtompset Could we set the memcache stuff to 'no', and leave them as comments with a statement about setting to yes and using these?
17:25 Also, did you notice Appendix A?
17:34 cait bye all
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17:36 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #366: SUCCESS in 58 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/366/
17:36 * Owen Leonard: Bug 11717 - Use new DataTables include in member templates
17:36 * Owen Leonard: Bug 11710 - Use new DataTables include in cataloging Z39.50 search template
17:36 * Owen Leonard: Bug 11716 - Use new DataTables include in label manage template
17:36 * Owen Leonard: Bug 11736 - Use new DataTables include in Koha news templates
17:36 * Owen Leonard: Bug 11805 - Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions
17:36 * Owen Leonard: Bug 11829: fix JavaScript error on staff client biblio details pages if template variables are undefined
17:36 * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 11798: fix problems with column sorting and row visibility in invoices table
17:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11717 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in member templates
17:36 tcohen mtompset: tl;dr, just leave a simple understandable way of setting it
17:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11710 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in cataloging Z39.50 search template
17:36 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11716 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in label manage template
17:36 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11736 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in Koha news templates
17:36 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11805 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions
17:36 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11829 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , JavaScript error on staff client biblio details pages if template variables are undefined
17:36 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11798 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Master , Problems with column sorting and row visibility in invoices table
17:52 gaetan_B bye!
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18:00 mtompset tcohen: Okay... revised some more. Comments?
18:01 tcohen i'd prefer USE_MEMCACHED="no" instead of commenting it
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18:06 * cait waves
18:07 tcohen hi cait
18:07 cait hi tcohen :)
18:13 mtompset So, all three uncommented, tcohen?
18:14 Ah, okay... that's fine with me.
18:23 Greetings, cait. :)
18:23 cait hi mtompset
18:26 mtompset How goes the kitten rescuing? :)
18:29 tcohen yes, fixed them already and also adjusted the appendix to match the new options too
18:29 mtompset: have you looked at the bug i mentioned about this very same problem?
18:30 mtompset 7234?
18:31 what bug is that, tcohen?
18:31 tcohen 7234
18:31 (i.e. packages don't provide a sample koha-sites.conf file, it was filled by jcamins a long time ago)
18:32 mtompset I just commented on it.
18:32 tcohen oh :-D
18:32 mtompset I was hoping that eythian had gotten around to his idea.
18:32 tcohen i think that belongs to another bug actually
18:32 mtompset That is: debconf questions to populate the initial koha-sites.conf
18:32 gmcharlt 443 strikes me as an even better default port ;)
18:33 (admittedly, that opens up the inconvenience of dealing with certs, eiither paid or self-signed, so please consider this comment purely a digression)
18:34 mtompset gmcharlt: Yes, I agree. However, dealing with certs is beyond Koha's line of responsibility.
18:35 gmcharlt that's too strong of a statement, IMO - having the installer go so far as to generate certs is a no-go, but having it nudge people in directions that make for a more secure installation is not beyond the realm of discussion
18:37 cait +1
18:40 tcohen generating them during instance creation should be straightforward
18:40 mtompset Okay, I agree with that. The difficulty becomes not causing the former while attempting the latter, and doing it in a way that doesn't create an insurmountable installation for testing purposes barrier.
18:40 gmcharlt actually, yeah, it would be straightforward enough; one could always stuff them under /etc/koha/sites/FOO/ssl
18:41 wajasu was i correct about 11573. any comments.  maybe we should yank logic in perl code that builds the viewable description into  accountlines up into the template if the context is all there. [% IF accounttype = 'Rent'  ...  format accordingly.
18:41 gmcharlt the problem is that 99% of the time you'll want a non-self-signed cert
18:42 wajasu: in general, +1 to moving purely presentation logic to the templates
18:46 mtompset Yes, to the non-self-signed cert. And to those who want that, they'll likely have the technical skill to tweak the Apache configuration accordingly.
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19:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1647: SUCCESS in 2 hr 27 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1647/
19:07 * Owen Leonard: Bug 11717 - Use new DataTables include in member templates
19:07 * Owen Leonard: Bug 11710 - Use new DataTables include in cataloging Z39.50 search template
19:07 * Owen Leonard: Bug 11716 - Use new DataTables include in label manage template
19:07 * Owen Leonard: Bug 11736 - Use new DataTables include in Koha news templates
19:07 * Owen Leonard: Bug 11805 - Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions
19:07 * Owen Leonard: Bug 11829: fix JavaScript error on staff client biblio details pages if template variables are undefined
19:07 * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 11798: fix problems with column sorting and row visibility in invoices table
19:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11717 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in member templates
19:07 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11710 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in cataloging Z39.50 search template
19:07 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11716 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in label manage template
19:07 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11736 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use new DataTables include in Koha news templates
19:07 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11805 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions
19:07 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11829 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , JavaScript error on staff client biblio details pages if template variables are undefined
19:07 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11798 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Master , Problems with column sorting and row visibility in invoices table
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19:16 tcohen gmcharlt: would you agree on the defaults I chose for bug 7234?
19:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7234 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , koha-common Debian package should include koha-sites.conf
19:19 oleonard Is it possible to temporarily remove a branch from consideration for the holds queue?
19:19 * cait thinks
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19:20 cait you could change the holds settings?
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19:20 cait for the itemtypes... or the branch transfer configuration?
19:24 i think there is no gereal switch
19:29 * pianohacker is hungry for some gereal now
19:30 reiveune bye
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19:38 oleonard Here's a fun bug: Place a hold on a title. Delete all the items from that title. Assuming you don't know who placed the hold, how do you remove it?
19:38 If you click the holds tab for the title you get a message which says "Cannot place hold: this record has no items attached."
19:38 ...but no list of existing holds.
19:39 cait hm
19:39 not sure if the bug is at the end
19:39 i think you should not be able to delete the items in the first place
19:40 mtompset gereal, pianohacker?
19:49 cait mveron++ thx
19:49 mveron cait: Welcome :-)
19:50 cait did you see bug 7267? ;)
19:50 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7267 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Display accountnumber in PDF
19:50 * cait is mean :)
19:51 mveron http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/?query=mean
19:51 :-)
19:52 cait that's a long list
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20:07 Brooke o/
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20:21 oleonard What's up Brooke?
20:27 wizzyrea oleonard: pretty certain there is no situation in which you should be able to delete all items if there are reserves on a title.
20:27 at the very least, librarians should be told that there are reserves, and do you want to also delete the reserves when you delete all items
20:28 gmcharlt if all of the items get damaged, you may have to delete them regardless
20:28 but yeah, the librarian should be given the option to cancel teh requests
20:28 (or not cancel them, if they know that they'll shortly be ordering replacements)
20:29 wizzyrea if you choose "no, I don't want to delete all reserves" the items aren't removed. In that case, either the library should order a replacement and make an on-order item
20:29 no, that's what they should do. They should order a replacement or they should delete the reserves.
20:30 ideally, the borrower who placed the reserve should get an email "this reserve was removed because <item was damaged>" or "Something happened at the library, contact them for your options"
20:30 but that's ideal
20:30 oleonard My librarians were just asking for an automated way of sending a message to the patron: "Your hold was cancelled because you didn't pick it up"
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20:37 wajasu when i was testing some fines code, I noticed some code updated an existing accountline accounttype from FU to F.  maybe when making apayment or writeoff,  is that a known hack? don't know why it would need to be changed, unless its an accrual hack.
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21:06 oleonard Bye #koha
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21:11 rangi pianohacker: http://brackets.io/  <-- might be useful for your future :)
21:11 pianohacker rangi: ooh good point. Will definitely recommend to anyone not using Vim
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21:36 eythian hi
21:37 cait morning eythian
21:53 mveron Oh it's late. Good night #koha
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22:34 francharb bye all
22:37 talljoy ck
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22:40 IsaacB Could someone check if bug 11612 should be assigned to product koha-security? It appears to be, albeit a minor one, a security concern
22:40 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11612 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , 404 error page for Intranet may leak information
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22:43 wizzyrea doesn't seem like it's the sort of thing that needs ultimate secrecy to me.
22:43 IsaacB that's what I figured
22:45 dcook Nice catch though.
22:48 eythian hmm, it is a borderline one, but probably minor enough that it can go through the regular process.
22:49 cait good night all
22:49 dcook night cait
22:49 See you in the morning ;)
22:49 cait :)
22:49 travelling tomorrow :)
22:49 dcook :o
22:49 Well, have a good trip!
22:49 And a good sleep
22:49 And a good weekend!
22:50 cait thx
22:50 you too
22:50 eythian bye cait
22:51 IsaacB It looked like setting needsauthentication=1 on the 404 and other pages would work to prevent the interface from being shown, but it seemed 404.pl doesn't accept login, so the login box it shows is broken.
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