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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:13 | * wizzyrea | will have a look |
| 00:39 | * eythian | notes that all the serials/subscription related tables reference a biblionumber, but don't have a constraint on it. |
| 00:40 | eythian | that's probably not ideal |
| 00:43 | wizzyrea | yikes. |
| 00:53 | oleonard joined #koha | |
| 00:53 | oleonard | Hi again #koha |
| 00:54 | I'm curious whether anyone here has any VPS hosting recommendations (or dis-recommendations) | |
| 00:54 | rangi | i use linode for one |
| 00:54 | eythian | Most people I know who know about that sort of thing use linode |
| 00:55 | rangi | and http://www.hetzner.de/en/ |
| 00:55 | for my other one | |
| 00:56 | jcamins | oleonard: I'd probably recommend linode. |
| 00:58 | oleonard | As someone who has no experience managing servers I've always been reluctant to step up to VPS hosting. Am I going to get myself into trouble? |
| 00:58 | mtompset | Greetings, oleonard. Thanks for the feed back, I'll probably just extend the scope of the bug I'm working on to include fixing that behaviour then. :) |
| 00:58 | jcamins | oleonard: nah. |
| 00:58 | wizzyrea | hmm. well there's lots to learn, but nah. |
| 00:59 | mtompset | VPS? |
| 00:59 | jcamins | If you mess something up, you can just reimage. |
| 00:59 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 00:59 | eythian | oleonard: they're fairly screw-up-proof if you're at all careful |
| 00:59 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 01:00 | mtompset | We've begun a migration to Digital Ocean (www.digitalocean.com). I'm pleased with it thus far. |
| 01:00 | VPS is Virtual Private Server. | |
| 01:00 | jcamins | And you'd have to *really* screw things up to reach the point of needing to reimage. |
| 01:01 | Wasn't DigitalOcean just acquired by GoDaddy? | |
| 01:02 | mtompset | I don't know. |
| 01:02 | oleonard | Wasn't it MediaTemple? |
| 01:02 | jcamins | oleonard: oh, maybe. |
| 01:02 | wizzyrea | cait - still up? |
| 01:03 | heaven forbid. | |
| 01:03 | jcamins | Yeah, Media Temple was acquired. |
| 01:03 | cait | nope |
| 01:03 | mtompset | http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&[…]bv.56146854,d.aWc |
| 01:03 | wizzyrea | >.> |
| 01:03 | mtompset | Oops... sorry, should have clicked, and then cut and paste. |
| 01:08 | http://sploid.gizmodo.com/supe[…]ensity-1460295415 | |
| 01:08 | Friends and colleagues most definitely will be affected by this. :( | |
| 01:09 | oleonard | Yikes |
| 01:10 | mtompset | For the religious, please pray, and the non-religious, keep the Philippines in your thoughts. |
| 01:13 | wizzyrea | i read about that earlier - it's a monster. |
| 01:13 | will definitely be thinking of those in the philippines. | |
| 01:15 | mtompset | :( Signal 4 in Masbate and Romblon. |
| 01:15 | Friends and projects are in those areas. | |
| 01:17 | http://www.pagasa.dost.gov.ph/wb/track.gif -- Looks like it will be massive destruction in a single day and a half. | |
| 01:20 | cait left #koha | |
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| 02:25 | bag | nice sauteed mushroom and onion on some blue cheese - in a nice roll (yummy dinner) |
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| 02:44 | bag | having met gmcharlt a few times now - I can totally see where his eyebrows would raise and he'd be smiling whenever I read an email from him now :) really makes it awesome and I crack a big ole smile when reading those emails now :) |
| 02:44 | gmcharlt++ | |
| 03:18 | mtompset | what is not equals in TT? != <>? |
| 03:44 | * wizzyrea | gets ready for a foggy trip to the coast for a burger. |
| 03:44 | wizzyrea | see you all next week. :) |
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| 04:08 | Oak | Ahoy me hearties |
| 04:08 | magnuse | |
| 04:08 | @wunder islamabad | |
| 04:26 | http://arstechnica.com/informa[…]f-ubuntu-privacy/ | |
| 04:43 | mtompset | Greetings, Oak. |
| 04:43 | Oak | hello mtompset :) |
| 04:44 | mtompset | Hmmm... it would seem I have gone from adding a feature to Koha into refactoring all the news code into fixing the news code. |
| 04:45 | Whatever shall I do with bug 7567? Call it a mega fix, refactor, and enhancement? | |
| 05:25 | Eeewwww... single line is short, but that is ugly to parse, papa. | |
| 05:26 | bug 11183 | |
| 05:26 | papa | hi there, what single line? |
| 05:26 | mtompset | that grep portion on the join line. |
| 05:27 | papa | what would you prefer? I'll do anything for a sign-off... |
| 05:28 | mtompset | split the grep to a different line? |
| 05:29 | papa | sure... |
| 05:29 | mtompset | I haven't tested it yet... but I'm wondering... |
| 05:30 | let's say $blah->{ccode} doesn't exist. | |
| 05:30 | won't your code trigger an error? | |
| 05:30 | papa | nope, autoviv |
| 05:31 | will return undef | |
| 05:35 | mtompset | okay... confirmed that with some testing code... interesting.. okay. |
| 05:35 | Let's try this patch out. :) | |
| 05:40 | have an item with a collection code? | |
| 05:40 | where is a collection code set, papa? | |
| 05:41 | papa | no idea, I had it on the database :( |
| 05:42 | should be on the item details | |
| 05:42 | mtompset | something like BK? |
| 05:43 | found it. | |
| 05:43 | papa | ok, where? |
| 05:44 | ah, edit items | |
| 05:44 | mtompset | Yep. |
| 05:45 | pastebot | "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Was this your error, papa?" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/256 |
| 05:46 | mtompset | One of them. |
| 05:46 | wahanui | hmmm... one of them is bound to have a good idea ;) |
| 05:46 | papa | that one should be fixed as well |
| 05:48 | mtompset | hmmm... I triggered one you didn't fix. |
| 05:48 | Let's see if I can figure out how I did that. | |
| 05:49 | papa | magic... |
| 05:49 | wahanui | http://catb.org/jargon/html/magic-story.html |
| 05:52 | mtompset | actually 626 triggered even on a simple search. |
| 05:53 | I'm trying to figure out how to trigger 576. | |
| 05:54 | AH! going to an item without a collection code. | |
| 05:55 | So, actually, regular search triggers 626. | |
| 05:55 | and then opac detail on an item without a collection code triggers 576. | |
| 05:56 | papa | something like that |
| 05:56 | mtompset | okay... let's see if that patch remedies it. :) |
| 05:56 | which eyeballing says it should. | |
| 05:59 | Hmmm... gmcharlt you here? | |
| 06:00 | @later tell gmcharlt opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value $code_wanted in string eq at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Field.pm line 314. -- I was just searching for happy :) | |
| 06:01 | well, papa the two warnings seem gone, but there's a lot more to find and correct. :) | |
| 06:02 | papa | I know :) now that we silence those, others will top the list |
| 06:03 | mtompset | Actually, the preference you reference is irrelevant, I believe. |
| 06:04 | or not... | |
| 06:05 | 626 must be related to the koha search history. | |
| 06:05 | I still triggered 576 without it. :) | |
| 06:16 | signed off, papa. :) | |
| 06:16 | papa | much obliged |
| 06:17 | mtompset | No, thank you for helping reduce log flooding. :) |
| 06:17 | It helps find the real bugs. | |
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| 06:32 | mtompset | Greetings, drojf. |
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| 06:39 | * cait | waves |
| 06:41 | mtompset | Greetings, cait. |
| 06:44 | cait | wizzyrea++ |
| 07:07 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:07 | needs to catch up on reading list mails and new bug reports | |
| 07:08 | papa | hey mtompset, what was the bug number for that map you want me to revisit? |
| 07:09 | mtompset | map? |
| 07:09 | wahanui | map is probably new in koha |
| 07:09 | mtompset | probably bug 11077 |
| 07:10 | I signed off the complex grep patch, if that is what you are asking about. | |
| 07:10 | It's ugly to read, but it works. | |
| 07:10 | papa | sorry, grep |
| 07:10 | mtompset | that was bug 11183, no mods needed. |
| 07:10 | Now we wait for QA to say, "Ooo... less flooding logs, simple enough to check and pass" ;) | |
| 07:12 | papa | mtompset: so who is going to merge all of those patches on 11077? |
| 07:12 | mtompset | can't really merge in tcohen's. |
| 07:12 | It's already signed off. | |
| 07:13 | but mine is a follow up on yours and his, so if you want to merge mine with your and simplify it into one, that would be okay. | |
| 07:13 | papa | ok, let me try |
| 07:13 | mtompset | after all... I'm not about credit. I'm about less floody logs. :) |
| 07:14 | git rebase -i | |
| 07:14 | papa | sure |
| 07:14 | mtompset | Anyways... I'm super late past my sleep time. |
| 07:15 | papa | sure, good night |
| 07:15 | mtompset | But filters fixed, code seems to be working... just need to find test file, if any... |
| 07:15 | and if not write some tests. | |
| 07:15 | But I'll do that... later today after sleep. :) | |
| 07:16 | Have a great day, #koha. :) | |
| 07:16 | * mtompset | waves bye to magnuse cait papa Oak and others. :) |
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| 07:47 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:47 | wahanui | kai ora, reiveune |
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| 08:13 | ashimema | mornin' all.. (those in the southern hemisphere at least) |
| 08:13 | good afternoon, good night to the rest of you ;) | |
| 08:13 | magnuse | hiya ashimema |
| 08:14 | it's morning near the top of the northern hemisphere too :-) | |
| 08:15 | ashimema | fair point ;) |
| 08:15 | magnuse | it's even light outside :-) |
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| 08:19 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:23 | magnuse | bonjour gaetan_B |
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| 08:34 | * kf | waves |
| 08:36 | kivilahtio | Joubu: regarding bug 9016. I would like to hear what developments you are undertaking regarding these enhancements? |
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| 09:02 | kf | morning ashimema |
| 09:02 | ashimema | Good morning KF |
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| 09:46 | kf | looks like a quiet friday |
| 09:58 | Joubu | kivilahtio: I don't understand your question :) The goal of this patch is to prepare the prepare the ground for others bug (linked to 9016). |
| 09:58 | s/prepare the// | |
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| 10:18 | kivilahtio | Joubu: I got it. I forgot to check the dependenices for that bug and it all makes sense now :) |
| 10:19 | Joubu: Wow the messaging layer is pretty tricky and it is rather difficult to test youor code | |
| 10:19 | Joubu: Not saying there is anything wrong with your code, but it is complex and trying to get the big picture is challenging | |
| 10:19 | which is nice :) | |
| 10:20 | anyway have a great weekend, I gotta scram! | |
| 10:21 | Joubu: my question was about actually implementing the functionality for print or feed or phone message types | |
| 10:22 | we need to have real prints as well, so kinda curious how Koha deals with prints | |
| 10:22 | kf | kivilahtio: at kohacon there was a presentation about a library doing phone notification |
| 10:22 | it's already possible | |
| 10:22 | kivilahtio | kf: But there is no system preference to set where the print csv's are stored? |
| 10:22 | kf | there are cronjobs i think generating them |
| 10:23 | maybe check out the slides- i didn't attend all of that session | |
| 10:23 | kivilahtio | kf: is there any documentation about the phone, feed and print? |
| 10:23 | kf | but they did work to make it work with itiva |
| 10:23 | kivilahtio | we have Ifo we need to integrate to :) |
| 10:23 | *Info* | |
| 10:23 | kf | feed doesn't work, print only for holds and overdues, using jobs - could be a lot nicer |
| 10:24 | kivilahtio | I just learnt that one should not run overdue_notices.pl more than once a day :) |
| 10:25 | kf | that's true |
| 10:26 | kivilahtio | kf: I think I am understanding how to deal with print |
| 10:26 | there are numerous cronjobs for different notification types? | |
| 10:26 | and each needs to be configured separately | |
| 10:28 | kf: Is cronjobs/printoverdues.pl still in use? It is not documented? | |
| 10:30 | I guess so, as it looks pretty handy | |
| 10:30 | thanks kf for your advice! Have a good weekend | |
| 10:31 | kf | it is yes |
| 10:32 | afaik | |
| 10:32 | i would like somthing better integrated into koha, with an option to download pdf files from staff | |
| 10:40 | ashimema | kf: whilst at kohacon you explained your marc uploads proceure.. remind me what script you use instead of bulkmarcimport? |
| 10:40 | kf | we are using the staged import from command line sec |
| 10:41 | ashimema | /tools/stages_marc_import.pl? |
| 10:41 | kf | stage_file.pl and commit_file.pl in misc |
| 10:41 | ashimema | ah yes.. I see them now. |
| 10:42 | ack.. neither have a perldoc. | |
| 10:42 | kf | the names are kind of logical but make them easy to miss |
| 10:42 | -h should give you some info about the options | |
| 10:42 | they work quite similar to what the gui can do | |
| 10:42 | ashimema | and remind me.. why do you use those instead of bulkmarkimpork with matching? |
| 10:43 | kf | hm partially historical maybe, but i also like the undo options and that i can see my imports from the interface |
| 10:43 | i can check anytime what has been imported when | |
| 10:43 | ashimema | aha.. so they add to the imports table.. |
| 10:43 | thats nice.. | |
| 10:43 | kf | i think also some different options for item generation, would have to compare |
| 10:44 | and bulk learned matching later i think | |
| 10:44 | it's completely as if you use the stage/manage marc import tools | |
| 10:45 | ashimema | cheers kf.. that explains a few things.. |
| 10:46 | I still don't like that there's two ways to skin the cat.. but i kinda understand why now. | |
| 10:46 | I take it they take in isomarc files.. not marcxml | |
| 10:47 | kf | i think so |
| 10:47 | i imagine it would not be too hard to add | |
| 10:47 | we have been using the script since 3.0.something before 3.2 | |
| 10:47 | i think bulkmarcimport changed a lot since then | |
| 10:48 | ashimema | it certainly has changed allot |
| 11:04 | jcamins you around? | |
| 11:06 | kf | might still be a bit early, but with jcamins you never know |
| 11:07 | ashimema | :) |
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| 11:46 | gerundio | hi everyone |
| 11:47 | long time no see :) | |
| 11:47 | is there anyway to choose which options are available in the master head search combo box in OPAC? | |
| 11:48 | magnuse | gerundio: don't think so, apart from tweaking it with jquery |
| 11:49 | gerundio | I'm ignoring that workaround on purpose |
| 11:49 | so the final answer for me in no :) | |
| 11:49 | thanks magnuse++ | |
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| 12:03 | magnuse | hiya khall and tcohen |
| 12:03 | khall | mornin magnuse & #koha! |
| 12:07 | magnuse | wassup?!? |
| 12:08 | tcohen | jenkins_koha: run 3.12.x |
| 12:08 | jenkins_koha | tcohen did you mean me? Unknown command 'run' |
| 12:08 | Use '!jenkins help' to get help! | |
| 12:08 | tcohen | jenkins_koha: help |
| 12:08 | jenkins_koha | Available commands: |
| 12:08 | abort <job> - specify which job to abort | |
| 12:08 | alias [<alias> [<command>]] - defines a new alias, deletes one or lists all existing aliases | |
| 12:08 | botsnack [<snack>] - om nom nom | |
| 12:08 | build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]* - schedule a job build, with standard, custom or no quiet period | |
| 12:08 | cb - list jobs which are currently in progress | |
| 12:08 | comment <job> <build-#> <comment> - adds a description to a build | |
| 12:08 | currentlyBuilding - list jobs which are currently in progress | |
| 12:08 | h [<job>|-v <view>] - show the health of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs | |
| 12:08 | health [<job>|-v <view>] - show the health of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs | |
| 12:08 | jobs [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs | |
| 12:08 | q - show the state of the build queue | |
| 12:08 | queue - show the state of the build queue | |
| 12:08 | s [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs | |
| 12:08 | schedule <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]* - schedule a job build, with standard, custom or no quiet period | |
| 12:08 | status [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs | |
| 12:08 | testresult [<job>|-v <view>] - show the test results of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs | |
| 12:08 | userstat <username> - prints information about a Jenkins user | |
| 12:09 | tcohen | jenkins_koha: build Koha_3.12.x now |
| 12:09 | jenkins_koha | tcohen: job Koha_3.12.x build scheduled now |
| 12:09 | tcohen | OMG |
| 12:09 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #110 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #98 1 mo 0 days ago) |
| 12:09 | magnuse | jenkins_koha botsnack lutefisk |
| 12:10 | tcohen | jenkins_koha botsnack fernet |
| 12:10 | magnuse | jenkins_koha: botsnack lutefisk |
| 12:10 | jenkins_koha | magnuse: thanks a lot! om nom nom. I just love lutefisk! |
| 12:10 | magnuse | lol |
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| 12:18 | tcohen | jenkins_koha: botsnack fernet |
| 12:18 | jenkins_koha | tcohen: you're so kind to me! how did you know that fernet is my favorite food? |
| 12:20 | tcohen | jenkins_koha: you are drunk |
| 12:20 | jenkins_koha | tcohen did you mean me? Unknown command 'you' |
| 12:20 | Use '!jenkins help' to get help! | |
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| 12:27 | * kf_lunch | waves |
| 12:27 | kf_lunch | jcamins: ? |
| 12:28 | magnuse | jcamins? |
| 12:28 | wahanui | it has been said that jcamins is the brilliant and irascible President of the United States. |
| 12:28 | magnuse | hm, you learn something new every day |
| 12:34 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.12.x build #110: STILL FAILING in 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.12.x/110/ |
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| 12:43 | tcohen | @later tell rangi there must be some error in Koha_3.12.x's script |
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| 13:08 | tcohen | magnuse? |
| 13:08 | wahanui | rumour has it magnuse is a Norwegian giant |
| 13:08 | magnuse | tcohen? |
| 13:08 | wahanui | tcohen is probably 122 |
| 13:09 | tcohen | magnuse: would you take a look at 9114? |
| 13:09 | its a long standing bug I plan to have in 3.12.7 | |
| 13:09 | (fixed, to have fixed heh) | |
| 13:13 | magnuse | tcohen: wish i had the time... |
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| 13:21 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 13:50 | tcohen | np magnuse |
| 13:54 | jcamins | Yes? |
| 13:56 | magnuse | ping kf_lunch - jcamins is in da house! |
| 13:57 | kf_lunch | heh |
| 13:57 | * kf_lunch | nick kf |
| 13:57 | kf_lunch | forgot i was still having lunch |
| 13:57 | magnuse | and you still are! |
| 13:57 | kf | now it's better |
| 13:57 | hi jcamins | |
| 13:57 | jcamins | Hello. |
| 13:58 | magnuse | guess germans are thorough when it comes to their vormittagspeize too |
| 13:58 | kf | mittagessen? :) |
| 13:59 | magnuse | huh, i thought mittag was dinner? |
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| 14:10 | tcohen | hi jcamins |
| 14:10 | jcamins | o/ |
| 14:12 | tcohen | does anyone experience having tons of cgisess_* files in /tmp even when sessions are set to be handled by memcached? |
| 14:17 | magnuse | tcohen: yeah, i have seen that when memcached has died |
| 14:17 | it's happened a couple of times | |
| 14:17 | tcohen | # service memcached status |
| 14:17 | * memcached is running | |
| 14:18 | * tcohen | thinks it might be poorly configured :-/ |
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| 14:27 | oleonard | dpavlin++ # for the Bug 11216 fix |
| 14:28 | magnuse | tcohen: did you configure it in the right place? apache conf, not koha-conf.xml |
| 14:28 | * oleonard | 's face falls when he realizes huginn still isn't here :( |
| 14:28 | tcohen | i was missing the apache config |
| 14:28 | I didn't realize my patch for packages wasnt already on 3.12 | |
| 14:30 | is it even in master | |
| 14:32 | magnuse | "Bug 10733 - Memcached on package installs" is in master |
| 14:32 | tcohen | thanks magnuse |
| 14:33 | magnuse | that bug adds memcached config both to apache-site.conf.in and koha-conf-site.xml.in :-) |
| 14:33 | i remove it again in "Bug 11167 - Remove memcached config from koha-conf-site.xml.in" | |
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| 14:33 | magnuse | ...which is just passed qa |
| 14:35 | tcohen | when I wrote that 10733 patches I did it that way because I noticed it was still used somewhere... |
| 14:35 | actually... | |
| 14:35 | it was a while ago, i'll try to remember | |
| 14:35 | druthb | o/ |
| 14:36 | magnuse | \o |
| 14:36 | druthb | magnuse! |
| 14:36 | wahanui | i heard magnuse was a Norwegian giant. |
| 14:36 | magnuse | tcohen: oh noes! nice if you remember - that should be fixed |
| 14:36 | druthb: before i forget again: have you ever migrated from aleph to koha? | |
| 14:37 | druthb | magnuse: hmm…I think so. |
| 14:38 | magnuse | druthb: do you remember what it was like? e.g. on a scale from 1 to 10 ;-) |
| 14:38 | druthb | I don't see any ILS-specific tools for that in my git repo, so if we did, I suspect we got MARCs with embedded items, and CSVs for everything else. My generic tools would be able to mash that. If that's the case, it'd be silly-easy. |
| 14:38 | magnuse | goody |
| 14:39 | druthb | Don't hold me to that; I could be remembering wrong. But I think I did at least one of 'em. |
| 14:39 | magnuse | i'll take "silly-easy" as an answer until further notice ;-) |
| 14:40 | druthb | I am willing to do consult help, if you hit a wall. :) Shout if you need any help. |
| 14:40 | magnuse | i'm also going to send an email to the list, to see what experience people have |
| 14:40 | druthb: cool! | |
| 14:41 | ad the reason i'm asking is that there was a library running aleph that was curious about any libraris that have experience with switching from aleph to koha :-) | |
| 14:41 | oh well, i gotta run! | |
| 14:41 | have fun, #koha! | |
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| 14:52 | * oleonard | wonders which of these old dateofbirth values in his patron database are really valid... Probably not the one with the birth day 1 May 981. |
| 14:53 | * druthb | chuckles |
| 14:53 | oleonard | "Your account has expired because you should have by now" |
| 14:53 | kf | oleonard:speaking of those - i had lots of problems yesterday with date of birth and patrons |
| 14:53 | are yo working on those by chance? | |
| 14:54 | oleonard | I discovered Bug 11220 because a bad patron dateofbirth value triggered an error |
| 14:55 | We have many patron accounts with the dateofbirth '0000-00-00' which Koha really ought to handle better. | |
| 14:55 | I don't know if that's the same kind of thing you were dealing with kf? | |
| 14:57 | Looks like Koha currently adds new patrons with '0000-00-00' as the dateofbirth if you don't specify a value | |
| 14:57 | I wonder if that is new? | |
| 14:58 | 1. Create a new patron. Leave dateofbirth empty. 2. Save the record. 3. Open the record for editing. 4. Save the record without making changes. 5. Koha gives you an error: "Date of birth is invalid." | |
| 14:58 | That's definitely a bug. | |
| 15:00 | My production database doesn't list any new registrations which have '0000-00-00' as the dateofbirth (3.10.x) | |
| 15:01 | So I guess I have a tedious git bisect in my future :| | |
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| 15:25 | vfernandes | hi guys :) |
| 15:25 | i have another tricky question | |
| 15:25 | i'm using koha authorities to manage a thesaurus | |
| 15:26 | BT (broader terms) and NT (narrower terms) are possible in Koha | |
| 15:26 | it's possible to have related terms? in thesaurus definition they are USE an UF | |
| 15:28 | jcamins | vfernandes: USE and UF are different from related terms. |
| 15:28 | vfernandes | humm ok |
| 15:28 | but are possible to implement in Koha? | |
| 15:28 | jcamins | Related terms (RT) are used when there are valid authority records for both terms. |
| 15:28 | Yes, that's what 5xx fields are. | |
| 15:29 | vfernandes | http://koha.keep.pt/cgi-bin/ko[…]l.pl?authid=24224 |
| 15:29 | jcamins | I see one related term. |
| 15:29 | vfernandes | this example has 2 narrower terms, 1 broader term and one related term |
| 15:30 | USE and UF can be implemented using wich letter in $5? | |
| 15:30 | jcamins | No, USE and UF are 4xx. |
| 15:30 | Not related terms at all. | |
| 15:30 | vfernandes | ok |
| 15:30 | jcamins | You have one UF term, "Formação Área e Território" |
| 15:31 | And two USE terms, "Formação Sectorial" and "Formação Área" | |
| 15:31 | Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense. | |
| 15:31 | You might want to think about reviewing your mappings. | |
| 15:31 | vfernandes | this is only a test :D |
| 15:32 | can you explain me how to do a USE? | |
| 15:32 | jcamins | You don't. |
| 15:33 | The way MARC thesauri work, you don't have records for non-preferred terms. | |
| 15:33 | vfernandes | ok... but you can enter the terms? |
| 15:33 | on fields 4XX? | |
| 15:34 | jcamins | 4xx is for Used for. |
| 15:34 | tcohen | magnus_away: i posted a small and simple followup |
| 15:35 | vfernandes | so UF it's possible but USE not? |
| 15:35 | jcamins | Right, because there are no records for the non-preferred terms. |
| 15:38 | vfernandes | ok... there is anyway to "pass" the MARC thesauri limitations? |
| 15:40 | jcamins | Not really. |
| 15:40 | Well- don't use MARC. But that doesn't really help. | |
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| 15:49 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 15:49 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #217: "<slef> maybe I should chew their legs off, then use the sharp bony end to kill kittens...?" (added by mtompset at 03:29 PM, September 26, 2012) |
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| 15:49 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 15:52 | druthb | hi, mtompset! |
| 15:52 | tcohen | hi gmcharlt |
| 15:52 | mtompset | greetings, druthb tcohen. |
| 15:52 | gmcharlt | howdy |
| 15:52 | mtompset | Greetings gmcharlt . :) |
| 15:52 | druthb | @quote random |
| 15:52 | huginn | druthb: Quote #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)" (added by chris at 09:36 PM, October 06, 2010) |
| 15:52 | tcohen | heya mtompset |
| 15:52 | wahanui | well, mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry. |
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| 15:55 | oleonard | Hm, looks like my patron date problem was caused by a change to SQLHelper.pm? |
| 15:55 | git bisect blames Bug 10403 | |
| 15:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10403 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Add ability to set fund/budget on receipt |
| 15:55 | oleonard | huginn! |
| 15:58 | tcohen | mtompset: I have added the missing bits to Building Debian Packages - The easy way |
| 15:59 | mtompset: I have added the missing bits to Building Debian Packages - The easy way | |
| 15:59 | mtompset | I'm looking at it. :) |
| 16:01 | oleonard | Bug 11221 |
| 16:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11221 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , New patrons are created with invalid dateofbirth value if field is left empty |
| 16:01 | mtompset | Wouldn't create your own apt-repository be better as a separate wiki page? |
| 16:01 | tcohen | that's how we deploy our home-backed koha-common packages |
| 16:02 | ah, that could be another option, you're right | |
| 16:02 | mtompset | but then most certainly link to it from this one. :) |
| 16:02 | vfernandes | thanks jcamins... jcamins++ |
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| 16:14 | tcohen | mtompset: done |
| 16:15 | liw | hm, my CV does not mention Perl |
| 16:15 | tcohen | is it possible that I hate (a lot) how the Wiki is organized |
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| 16:21 | kf | oleonard: yes, that's what i saw (... an still reading back) |
| 16:21 | mtompset | tcohen: you mean it is organized?! |
| 16:21 | Because if you assume that, there is a lot to hate. | |
| 16:23 | Barrc | Hey all, quick "submitting a patch question". If changing the DB structure I need a $DBversion, is it just the revision of Koha I have cloned e.g "3.13.00.042"? |
| 16:24 | mtompset | Barrc: in updatedatabase.pl you use XXX for the last 3. |
| 16:25 | It's the responsibility of the RM to change it. | |
| 16:25 | and you don't change kohaversion.pl | |
| 16:25 | Barrc | Oh! Cool, that makes sense. Thanks |
| 16:25 | mtompset | right, gmcharlt? |
| 16:25 | gmcharlt | correct |
| 16:25 | * mtompset | notes that gmcharlt is 3.16 and 3.14 RM. |
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| 16:31 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11159: fix small typo in catalogue/results.tt <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0a8e69332df04e7e1> / Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix whitespace <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]dffc8d724b433cd80> / Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix some whitespace and a variable declaration <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]web/?p=koha.git;a |
| 16:32 | ashimema | The wiki could really do with a good tidying.. |
| 16:32 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #213 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 16:32 | * ashimema | seems to remember someone volunteering at kohacon13 hackfest |
| 16:33 | ashimema | kf.. who was it that wanted to attack the wiki for us? |
| 16:33 | kf | hmmm maybe joel? but I think it was someone else even |
| 16:34 | ashimema | that's the one.. Joel was deffo keen on helping with wiki |
| 16:34 | kf | i don't think the categories in the wiki really work for us currently |
| 16:34 | there are way too many | |
| 16:34 | all the scrolling when you edit a page is quite terrible | |
| 16:34 | ashimema | we have too many bad plugins that make it even more confusing too. |
| 16:35 | It could do with someone taking it on.. making it read only for a couple of weeks whilst they sort it out on a local copy. | |
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| 16:36 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1499 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 16:37 | kf | hm not sure taking it off the web a couple of weeks would be good - but maybe you could work in sectiosn |
| 16:37 | for example we should markt he old rfcs | |
| 16:37 | they are confusing for people - thinking the features are really in koha that way | |
| 16:37 | ashimema | i don't mean take it away completely.. jsut stick it in read only mode. |
| 16:37 | that way it can stay as a reference but can't be updated whilst someone is trying to fix it | |
| 16:38 | the RFC's should have a really clear workflow and status on them.. otherwise they're more than useless and confusing. | |
| 16:41 | kf | Agreed, not sure how to do it best in mediawiki tho |
| 16:41 | i never really got warm with it, i am more a dokuwiki type of person still :) | |
| 16:41 | ashimema | easy.. use templates |
| 16:42 | kf | half the time i end up changing the template instead of using it... i should learn how to use them |
| 16:42 | ashimema | mediawiki is crazy powerfull.. jsut has a slight learning curve to start with... if someone takes the time to set up a bunch of templates and write some rules ofr their use then they work great! |
| 16:42 | I'm also a big fan of forms.. | |
| 16:43 | so create a template, then create a from so filling out said template is easier.. | |
| 16:43 | We have a customers only wiki for evergreen that looks great because it was planned from day one.. I wish our inranet wiki was as good ;) | |
| 16:44 | kf | ashimema: you will make us volunteer you for it... |
| 16:44 | if you don't stop sounding so knowledgeable | |
| 16:45 | ashimema | mmm... most of it's in the planning.. I'de be happy to help implement if we worked out a plan. |
| 16:45 | who hosts the wiki anyways? | |
| 16:47 | kf | ah sec |
| 16:47 | that's on the start page at least :) | |
| 16:47 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ministration#wiki.koha-community.org | |
| 16:48 | ashimema | haha.. |
| 16:49 | Equinox | |
| 16:51 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11189: Rename "Print" label in UNIMARC advanced search <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]99d7dd7e0c380ffbd> |
| 16:55 | kf | bye all :) |
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| 16:59 | rambutan | @wunder 64507 |
| 16:59 | huginn | rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 13.1°C (10:59 AM CST on November 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). |
| 16:59 | gmcharlt | ashimema: send me a note with what you have in mind |
| 16:59 | rambutan | hey, he's back |
| 17:01 | gmcharlt | but TBH, I think incremental changes beats "lock the wiki for two weeks", especially since we're talking about a wiki that essentially has to let any non-spammer join it |
| 17:05 | ashimema | Yeah.. maybe incremental is best.. |
| 17:05 | Whats the traffic on the wiki in terms of edits like? | |
| 17:05 | A fast moving target is very hard to clean up.. hense my thoughts on locking it read only for a short period. | |
| 17:07 | I'd love to see some drastic cutting back on the categories we have with some clear guidelines on what categories are for so people put their pages in the right place to start with.. then also use semantic mediawiki for 'tagging' pages for search reasons. | |
| 17:10 | I'd also like to cut back on the navigation related plugins we have.. having 'CategoryTree', 'Multi-Category Search', 'BreadCrumbs', 'Category Breadcrumb' and 'SelectCategory' all enabled at the same time is plain confusing for all.. | |
| 17:10 | gmcharlt | average is roughly 10 edits a day; while making it read-only for a couple days is reasonable, I would hope that a sufficiently well-managed reorganzation effort that does some protoyping first wouldn't require longer than that |
| 17:11 | ashimema | Fair point.. |
| 17:11 | I'm coming to that conclusion too now as it happens.. | |
| 17:12 | reiveune | bye |
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| 17:12 | gmcharlt | more importantly, though -- if you want to reorganize the wiki, are you willing to commit to act for (say) at least six months as a wiki manager to both teach folks how to work with the new scheme and to keep things tidy? |
| 17:14 | ashimema | Hmm... time is always at a president. |
| 17:15 | but it does sound like there are a fair few more people than me who would like to see the wiki more usable again. | |
| 17:16 | gmcharlt | well, lots of people want things -- that's a constant |
| 17:16 | ashimema | very true |
| 17:16 | wahanui | I know. That's why I said it. |
| 17:17 | ashimema | Might see if i can get in touch with Joel as he was very interested in contributing to a wiki tidy up.. I've committed to such things on other wiki's so could possibly help lead the way. (I did allot on openstreetmaps way back and ran our two internal wiki's at ptfs europe) |
| 17:17 | gmcharlt | I'm not trying to dissuade you, but I am suggesting that a reorg that includes follow-through for a reasonably long period of time is better than is allowed to immdiately decay |
| 17:18 | *one that is allowed | |
| 17:18 | ashimema | yeah.. it would need maintenance.. hence my thoughts on trying to get Joel onboard. |
| 17:19 | Are there things holding us back from upgrading mediawiki out of interest? | |
| 17:20 | jcamins | ashimema: interest? |
| 17:20 | wahanui | interest is bunched in particular regions. |
| 17:20 | jcamins | ;) |
| 17:21 | gmcharlt | ashimema: and tuits |
| 17:23 | ashimema | tuits? |
| 17:23 | oleonard | Tuits are what you have when you have the time get 'round to it |
| 17:24 | ashimema | I see.. |
| 17:24 | Americanism me thinks.. never heard that before | |
| 17:24 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #213: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/213/ |
| 17:24 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: regression tests for Due notice generation | |
| 17:24 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: fix Item Due notices not being generated | |
| 17:24 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix some whitespace and a variable declaration | |
| 17:24 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix whitespace | |
| 17:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11218 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Due notices broken / not generated |
| 17:24 | jenkins_koha | * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11159: fix small typo in catalogue/results.tt |
| 17:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11159 trivial, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Small typo in catalogue/results.tt |
| 17:24 | oleonard | It may even be a gmcharltism ashimema ;) |
| 17:24 | ashimema | I see our mediawiki is running on postgres.. that certainly make upgrade more challenging.. |
| 17:24 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #214 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 17:25 | jcamins | I think a gmcharltism. I don't think I've ever heard it from anyone who doesn't talk with gmcharlt a lot. |
| 17:26 | gmcharlt | it's not original to me, though -- I first heard it from my colleaques at Equinox |
| 17:26 | ashimema | all makes sense now |
| 17:37 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 17:37 | mtompset | get around to it? I guess it could be a North American idiom. |
| 17:43 | talljoy | back |
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| 17:53 | ashimema | time to clock off |
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| 18:05 | tcohen | gmcharlt: i've attached a followup for the usmarc->marcxml patch series |
| 18:06 | so it uses the new MARC::FIeld->as_string functionality | |
| 18:06 | question: is it ok that I also pushed the dependencies to higher versions? | |
| 18:06 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 18:06 | tcohen | MARC::Record 2.0.6 and MARC::File::XML 1.0.1 |
| 18:14 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #214: SUCCESS in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/214/ |
| 18:14 | Mathieu Saby: Bug 11189: Rename "Print" label in UNIMARC advanced search | |
| 18:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11189 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Rename Print label in UNIMARC advanced search |
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| 18:34 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #111 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #98 1 mo 1 day ago) |
| 18:36 | tcohen | gmcharlt: is there access to the scripts jenkins runs? i'd like to fix whatever is needed in the build node for jenkins to give useful info :-D |
| 18:36 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1499: SUCCESS in 2 hr 0 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1499/ |
| 18:36 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: regression tests for Due notice generation | |
| 18:36 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: fix Item Due notices not being generated | |
| 18:36 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix some whitespace and a variable declaration | |
| 18:36 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix whitespace | |
| 18:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11218 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Due notices broken / not generated |
| 18:36 | jenkins_koha | * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11159: fix small typo in catalogue/results.tt |
| 18:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11159 trivial, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Small typo in catalogue/results.tt |
| 18:36 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1500 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 18:51 | JWellner | Good morning Nicole! |
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| 18:54 | gmcharlt | tcohen: I don't think I have credentials for the 'Bernardo' box, though I bet you do |
| 18:55 | if only by saying, "hey, bgkriegel, let me in!" | |
| 18:55 | ;) | |
| 18:59 | tcohen: juding by the logs, at minimum it looks like you need to get Devel::CoverReport onto that box | |
| 19:00 | other modules that rangi had installed from CPAN on my build sliave when it set it up are TAP::Harness::JUnit and HTTPD::Bench::ApacheBench | |
| 19:02 | tcohen | It says smth about missing parameters to cover |
| 19:02 | I installed most missing perl libs | |
| 19:02 | jcamins | tcohen: I think you need the install Devel::Cover from cpan, because the version that is packaged is too old. |
| 19:04 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 19:04 | Project Koha_3.12.x build #111: FIXED in 29 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.12.x/111/ | |
| 19:04 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10667: Add unit tests for ILSDI::Services::AuthenticatePatron | |
| 19:04 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10667: Allow authentication with cardnumber for ILS-DI | |
| 19:04 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10667: Follow up - prevent t/00-load from failing | |
| 19:04 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10667: (follow-up) fix reference to UT library in test case | |
| 19:04 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10897: remove test for module that has become DB-dependent | |
| 19:04 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10667 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , ILS-DI: AuthenticatePatron should also work with cardnumber |
| 19:04 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10897 major, P2, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , t/ILSDI_Services.t is db dependent | |
| 19:04 | gmcharlt | tcohen++ # looks like you got it |
| 19:04 | cait | lots of my patches pushed today |
| 19:04 | i like that heh :) | |
| 19:16 | rangi | Jenkins should be happy now. Signing off as I walk into a room with 750 hackers, see you all in a couple of days |
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| 19:17 | rambutan | wow, how much coffee would you need to support 750 hackers? |
| 19:21 | 750 X 6 cups/day = 4,500 cups = 1,125 quarts/liters = 281 gallons/quadraliters | |
| 19:23 | JWellner | or the output of one small starbucks.... |
| 19:24 | jcamins | JWellner: according to a random website that came up when I searched "how much coffee does a starbucks make in a day," that's actually *three* Starbucks stores. |
| 19:26 | JWellner | On average or one of the ones in the Pac NW? :) |
| 19:26 | druthb | lol |
| 19:27 | JWellner | rofl :) |
| 19:28 | rambutan | humm, wonder if they grow coffee in NZ, lemme ask google |
| 19:30 | apparently not of any significance | |
| 19:32 | JWellner | I'd have to ask my buddy who lives down there. |
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| 19:34 | talljoy | hi jeremywellner_ and JWellner |
| 19:35 | jeremywellner_ | Hi Joy! |
| 19:35 | bag | hello |
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| 20:32 | mtompset | @later tell papa My bad! I thought I had put up a patch, which I hadn't. :( Sorry. |
| 20:32 | huginn | mtompset: The operation succeeded. |
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| 20:33 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1500: SUCCESS in 1 hr 57 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1500/ |
| 20:33 | Mathieu Saby: Bug 11189: Rename "Print" label in UNIMARC advanced search | |
| 20:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11189 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Rename Print label in UNIMARC advanced search |
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| 21:16 | joels68 | Greetings Kohans. |
| 21:19 | oleonard | Have a good weekend Kohans. |
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| 22:42 | talljoy | back |
| 22:55 | rambutan | the party's over talljoy, the weekend is up! |
| 22:55 | talljoy | pfft |
| 22:55 | my work week is still here. | |
| 22:55 | :-( | |
| 22:55 | got to move a library tonight and tomorrow nigt. | |
| 22:56 | but rambutan i wish i could leave like everyone else. lol | |
| 22:56 | rambutan | ah |
| 22:56 | talljoy | we've been 'left behind' argh |
| 23:02 | jeremywellner_ | watch for zombies.... |
| 23:03 | bag | I see walkers everywhere |
| 23:04 | * bag | is just in his second season of the walking dead |
| 23:04 | * talljoy | doesn't understand the popularity of zombies |
| 23:04 | talljoy | there i said it. |
| 23:04 | i just don't get it | |
| 23:06 | pianohacker | once you get bitten by a fad like that you just get can't enough of it though |
| 23:06 | jeremywellner_ | Well of course zombies aren't popular... they are not the sorts of former people you'd want to invite over to your parents for dinner |
| 23:07 | Even zombie cheerleaders and football players who were once popular are now targeted for their appearance and intellect | |
| 23:08 | All they want to do is gain your acceptance (and other parts of you... psyche or otherwise) | |
| 23:08 | and live in a utopia of their own choosing | |
| 23:08 | thus representing the dreams of millions of immigrants coming to America | |
| 23:09 | who come here to create a new and prosperous life for themselves... | |
| 23:09 | Is that so bad Joy? | |
| 23:10 | Would you deny the American Dream to millions of former people who just need a little help to stay on their feet? | |
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| 23:58 | talljoy | back |
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